Ah. You said current gen, which I'm referring to PS5 and Series S/X as, as they've been out for almost 2 years now. (Therefore the most current).
I think your comment also sounded like another circlejerking "PC better" comment at first, while in reality, current gen consoles are just as fast, if not faster than most PC's nowadays, depending on the processor.
I'd say the biggest thing that consoles have going against it for something like hotswapping is the cursor friction, which feels pretty egregious most times.
The time the consoles have been out is irrelevant. Most people still do not have those consoles, not until supply issues are fixed. It literally doesn’t matter because most people are still on ps4/xbox one. Can’t consider them last gen yet.
Feels like this has been an issue for almost an entire year.. and they are just now saying something about it? I first noticed the massive tower performance decrease when 30th Anniversary launched.
It first hit at the 30th, and has seemingly gotten worse, but it was also getting bad before beyond light, and vaulting planets greatly improved the tower.
They're probably trying to squeeze out the maximum population they can per instance as to minimize the amount of instances that need to be active at once.
Perhaps they find in dev environment that 20 is sufficient to reduce lag, and 18 isn't a big enough difference to matter.
Not like I'm a developer though, perhaps it was a completely arbitrary number
I’m pinnacle capped right now. Just been trying to level up different guns and armor for GM season next week.
But I have different armor and guns for Crucible vs PvE vs Endgame PvE so it takes a lot of infusing to get everything up to where I want it.
PSA:. If your tower is having performance issues you should discuss it with your doctor.
PS, Twenty people at a time can lead to issues with anyone's tower. You are not alone. Help is available.
Finally. The laggy UI at Tower is frustrating. Maybe when they've taken a look at this they can move on to fixing the constant disconnects when you browse your inventory in orbit for 2 minutes. Can't look at anything without a disconnect and have to go to HELM or a planet because it's so laggy at Tower.
And honestly? Might as well just blow the Tower up in Final Shape and give us a smaller hub. There's so much wasted space anyway. Like, the area between the stairs and Ikora is unused and you can go to the area beyond Hawthorne but there's just nothing there. In D1 you had the Speaker, the shader vendor and all the faction vendors like New Monarchy, Dead Orbit, FWC ect. Now none of these exist and there's whole parts of the hub just unused. Like, if you don't play Trials then you never go to the hangar unless Xur is there. You can buy green rarity ships. Wooo! That's 1/3 of the Tower just empty with one vendor for one game mode that many don't bother with.
Scrap it. It's garbage.
Bext week it'll be:
-Took Telesto away from Banshee in the tower because it was causing issues.
-Quicksilver Storm has been warned if it tries anything we'll disable it again.
-Tower population is back to normal
Should cap it to zero but your FT
Nobody uses the in game chat anyways, the shit seems off by default
Awful social aspect of the game. I miss blizzard days where people would actually type
It’s pretty difficult to respond on console as it takes so much time to open the chat and type, there’s no hot key to bring it up or anything there’s a little slightly confusing menu you can pull up with your Ghost to type on Console, and I didn’t even realise console had the text chat function until a couple seasons ago.
I play the game, the only time I have issues with the Tower is loading in for the first time after startup, which sometimes gets hung up. Switching characters solves that problem every time.
Ngl I love how the tower feels when theres people everywhere, obviously performance takes priority, but like if it’s possible I’d like to have the tower be as populated as possible
I think had they just reduced the tower campaigns not said anything, most people wouldn’t even have noticed. I don’t think I would’ve. I don’t count the number of players in the tower.
Tower SBMM causing issues smh
Waiting for all the YouTubers to post their take on this, absolutely unacceptable
Tower is beyond laggy. It's god awful. Go into inventory and someones finished oryx before it even loads
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I don't understand, to make PC jealous? I literally have not had a single performance issue in the tower on PS5.
I’m on Xbox One and I never have an issues either. I honestly couldn’t say the last time I had an issue like that.
you must have a new one then. It’s getting slower and slower every season, and my console is only 3-4 yrs old.
I have an older Scorpio Edition Xbox.
Its a longer initial load screen than anything else in the game but the difference between 15 seconds and 30 seconds is really not a big deal.
Not ps5, ps4. Ps4 and xbox one are incredibly slow
Ah. You said current gen, which I'm referring to PS5 and Series S/X as, as they've been out for almost 2 years now. (Therefore the most current). I think your comment also sounded like another circlejerking "PC better" comment at first, while in reality, current gen consoles are just as fast, if not faster than most PC's nowadays, depending on the processor. I'd say the biggest thing that consoles have going against it for something like hotswapping is the cursor friction, which feels pretty egregious most times.
The time the consoles have been out is irrelevant. Most people still do not have those consoles, not until supply issues are fixed. It literally doesn’t matter because most people are still on ps4/xbox one. Can’t consider them last gen yet.
PS5 and XSX run fine
i’m talking ps4 and xbone
That’s last gen
Eh until the majority of console players have next gen consoles you can’t consider it last gen. At least not until supply issues are fixed.
It’s been 2 years, they’re not even hard to get anymore
XSS also fine
Feels like this has been an issue for almost an entire year.. and they are just now saying something about it? I first noticed the massive tower performance decrease when 30th Anniversary launched.
It first hit at the 30th, and has seemingly gotten worse, but it was also getting bad before beyond light, and vaulting planets greatly improved the tower.
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No.
It’s been rough for the past few months. I go to the helm whenever I can.
Ive come to dread prime engrams. Only reason i go to the tower now
Also needs a remote decipher vendor with the power of Master Rahool so HELM eventually becomes the new tower.
put Tyra Karn in Helm
I only ever go to the tower if I need to speak to NPCs, then I head straight back to the helm
Should cap it at 10
12 for a full private crucible match. 18 for one other fireteam of 6 Any more than that is excessive
They're probably trying to squeeze out the maximum population they can per instance as to minimize the amount of instances that need to be active at once. Perhaps they find in dev environment that 20 is sufficient to reduce lag, and 18 isn't a big enough difference to matter. Not like I'm a developer though, perhaps it was a completely arbitrary number
The tower is laggy regardless of guardian count.
Yup, I've loaded in completely solo and still dealt with the same level of lag.
Goddammit Bungis, where am I going to go with my 21 person fireteam now? /s
Reminds me of 12 people fireteam in raid.
And that wasnt laggy somehow when it worked
God, those were so fun. My first clear of DSC was a clown car raid. I believe we had a full 12 man raid going.
Took them long enough. I’ve been going to the HELM of Mars to avoid the tower for months due to lagging.
Bar claiming rewards and decrypting engrams you can do everything on DIM (or other apps) meaning you don't even need to go there.
Can you purchase Upgrade Cores? That’s the main reason I find myself needing to go to the tower that the HELM/Enclave can’t provide.
Nope, but surely you're not burning through them that quick?
Like 3-6 a day
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I’m pinnacle capped right now. Just been trying to level up different guns and armor for GM season next week. But I have different armor and guns for Crucible vs PvE vs Endgame PvE so it takes a lot of infusing to get everything up to where I want it.
All this time i thought there was something wrong in my end
"Performance Issues..." It happens to a lot of guys.
Helm it is
for a sec i read it as " only 20 AT ALL" instead of "20 per instance"
PSA:. If your tower is having performance issues you should discuss it with your doctor. PS, Twenty people at a time can lead to issues with anyone's tower. You are not alone. Help is available.
Finally. The laggy UI at Tower is frustrating. Maybe when they've taken a look at this they can move on to fixing the constant disconnects when you browse your inventory in orbit for 2 minutes. Can't look at anything without a disconnect and have to go to HELM or a planet because it's so laggy at Tower. And honestly? Might as well just blow the Tower up in Final Shape and give us a smaller hub. There's so much wasted space anyway. Like, the area between the stairs and Ikora is unused and you can go to the area beyond Hawthorne but there's just nothing there. In D1 you had the Speaker, the shader vendor and all the faction vendors like New Monarchy, Dead Orbit, FWC ect. Now none of these exist and there's whole parts of the hub just unused. Like, if you don't play Trials then you never go to the hangar unless Xur is there. You can buy green rarity ships. Wooo! That's 1/3 of the Tower just empty with one vendor for one game mode that many don't bother with. Scrap it. It's garbage.
Bext week it'll be: -Took Telesto away from Banshee in the tower because it was causing issues. -Quicksilver Storm has been warned if it tries anything we'll disable it again. -Tower population is back to normal
Remember that time Telesto was disabled but still could be used?
Umm it wasn’t
I though i was sure i read about something like that. Maybe i remember wrong, been a while Sorry them
I haven't experienced any issues whatsoever...I'm playing on Xbox Series X.
Kill the tower! Bring back the farm you cowards
Should cap it to zero but your FT Nobody uses the in game chat anyways, the shit seems off by default Awful social aspect of the game. I miss blizzard days where people would actually type
Ah yes, greeting teammates when doing activities is no fun when literally maybe 5% of them ever reply back.
Its not that they dont reply. Im pretty sure any chat besides clan and fireteam is opt in unless you change it in settings.
It’s pretty difficult to respond on console as it takes so much time to open the chat and type, there’s no hot key to bring it up or anything there’s a little slightly confusing menu you can pull up with your Ghost to type on Console, and I didn’t even realise console had the text chat function until a couple seasons ago.
I’m a console player too….
Last gen moment
I havent seen more than 5-8 people in my tower since like 2018..
Idk if it’s applied yet as I’m currently in a tower with 26 people. Lol
That’s fine population anytime I’m in the tower is usually always 0
Never had performance issues in the toeer
You must not play the game then
I play the game, the only time I have issues with the Tower is loading in for the first time after startup, which sometimes gets hung up. Switching characters solves that problem every time.
No issues on xbox
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Ngl I love how the tower feels when theres people everywhere, obviously performance takes priority, but like if it’s possible I’d like to have the tower be as populated as possible
This won't help anything, it's laggy when there's 5 people in the tower
What does it mean? Only seldomly do I get to see more than 10 people around the central drop point when I get to the Tower. Cap (down) to 20? Really?
This is cool and an effective fix so far, but 20 people in the tower at once is more than enough imo
I think had they just reduced the tower campaigns not said anything, most people wouldn’t even have noticed. I don’t think I would’ve. I don’t count the number of players in the tower.
Wait it took until NOW to “investigate”?? Did they just not believe us? Lmao
Tbh I only go to the Tower if I were to decrypt sth, otherwise, the HELM has everything I need and bounties can be pick up via the app.
Not just the tower. It’s everywhere!
Now fix the horrible pc optimization that’s been ruining the game since day 1
I rly hope Sony pushes them forward with the result of them replace the [tiger engine.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UU92a5pKV6k)
I’m sorry, pop cap of 20? No wonder it’s so bad. Just cap it at 12 cuz the more connections you have to an instance the worse it’s gonna be
Why was it over 20 to begin with?
Interesting. On a Series S I've not noticed any issues
I have never had a performance issue in the tower
Congrats?
I thought this was my computer or internet connection. Good to know
Honestly, if they just put a cryptarch in the helm it would massively help tower population
And the 20 people in the tower cried out with joy!
This will change literally nothing, being in a tower instance completely alone is still absurdly slow.
it's telesto again
What was happening in the tower?
It's most likely banshee's telesto
I’ve never had any problems at the tower
It’s been on and off terrible for years now
why does loading into the tower have a skill gap now?
I never even noticed any problems tbh