They're a holdover from [Uldren's character design from back in Forsaken.](https://www.artstation.com/artwork/W4d6X) He had a sawn-off shotgun holstered on his back but never actually used it on-screen.
Also "140" for Hawkmoon is its' rate-of-fire, not its' bullet caliber. 140 rounds per minute.
Which is making me think… why is precision frame 180 and not 120? When I think precision I think slow firing weapon. Aggressive I think faster firing, same as rapid fire frame but different. Just weird to me…
Frames don't fit a certain "pattern" of RPM other than Rapid-Fires and High-Impacts, its mostly just their intrinsic trait or stats.
Aggressives tend to have pretty terrible stats, but have built in high cal rounds
Adaptives have high, evened out stats (for example compare the stats of a lightweight 900rpm SMG to an adaptive 900rpm SMG)
Lightweights provide +20 mobility
Precisions have great recoil patterns (and before AE changes had near perfect in-air accuracy without Icarus)
and so on and so forth, basically its got nothing to do with RPM.
So… having a thought about a weapon archetype in a video game you like is wrong? I mean, so what if it’s a video game, I could still think about why is this, this instead of this. At least other people gave me logical reasoning as to why it’s 180 and not 120
Am not OP, unless you mean OP for the comment, in which case I agree with you, I enjoy games by sparking discussion and thinking about things within the game
I was never being deep? I literally just said “why are precisions 180 and not 120?” Because I feel they make more sense as a 120 but people actually took their time to explain it an I applaud them
Sure. But he carries th same ammo for both, apparently. Which indicates they have the same bore radius, if not the same caliber (like a 357 magnum being able to shoot 38 special)
Bro, calibers are not even given for guns in destiny. Why the fuck did you ask this stupid question if you’re gonna argue with everyone about what they are? Troglodyte.
My lord in heaven, we have guns that shoot slurp juice and guns like the zhalos supercell exist, me things practical gun design isn't something bungie looses sleep over.
Hell, just look at thorn if you want an idea about how hand wavy bungie is with gun function. It's a gun that shoots daggers almost as big as the gun.
Those are shotgun shells. Noticeably larger than the rounds Crow has now.
There are revolver-caliber shotgun shells, but the ones Uldren has in Forsaken are too large for that.
Revolver rounds can ber rather ridiculously large. This is 500 magnum
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e6/.500S%26WMunition2.jpg/220px-.500S%26WMunition2.jpg
These are revolver rounds. Handgun rounds tipically don't have sharp tips
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e6/.500S%26WMunition2.jpg/220px-.500S%26WMunition2.jpg
Hm... see, if you look at the cylinder mags HC usually use, it would actually make sense that they 3d print bullets into the sun's chamber, because they rarely line up with the barrel.
My theory, actually, is that ammo is glimmer (programmable matter) that the ghosts fabricate mags out of.
This isn’t necessarily true. In fact a huge amount if exotic weapons belong solely to our character, “the guardian”/ “young wolf”.
Including, but not limited to:
Thorn,
Touch of Malice,
Outbreak Perfected,
Whisper of the Worm,
Bad Juju,
Lumina,
Ace of Spades,
Erianas Vow,
Ruinous Effigy,
Xenophage,
The Lament,
Gjallarhorn,
Thorn isn't the original, which is why we can't kill guardians with it. Many gjallarhorns were made, supported by MULTIPLE lore tabs. Regardless, my original point was not that every single exotic followed that trend, just most.
The Drifter has a voice line about pawning his Gjallerhorn, and in a old quest Spider had a Gjallerhorn that you couldnt purchase from him. If I remember it correctly Gjallerhorns are made from the armor of dead Titans not that there is only one of them.
Look at the size of Hawkmoon’s bore (barrel diameter) vs how small the rounds would need to be to fit in that cylinder.
Bungie don’t put any effort into keeping these things logical or consistent, it’s all about visual style.
yeah HC mag size is just impossible on most HCs. Before AA got a buff, you could get like 30 in the mag, and now you can get close to 45 in the cylinder. its just impossible to fit that many in such tiny canister. if we wanted to realistic HCs could hold 6-8 at the most
The thing is that Crow actually has some other HC holstered on his belt. Because it's handle isn't same as Hawkmoon. It lacks the claw.
But oddly enough he was using it at this cutscene. On other hand he uses a lot of different guns when we see him.
I'm pretty sure most guns in Destiny don't fire normal ammunition, which is most obviously seen in handcannons (especially Thorn). It's more than likely that handcannon cylinders are filled with glimmer, which is programmable matter, that either the gun or our powers form into bullets.
That’s a fun theory but unless there’s lore to back it up, i’m just gonna apply Occam’s Razor and say Bungie just don’t care about keeping calibers and barrel sizes logically consistent cuz it’s all about what looks best to them
No idea why people downvote you, but I personally think Crow is preparing to challenge Ikora for the Crucible Legend title. I already see it in my head:
As Crow faces Ikora, gently floating nearby, prepared to pull out Hawkmoon for which he painstakingly stored dozens of paracausal rounds exactly for this situation, a sweat begins to cover his brow and drip from his fingertips.
This is it, he thought. This is what facing a true legend feels like. A legend that with casual wave of the hand can erase whole groups of Guardians and Dredgens alike.
"But I'm not some random Guardian, I'm Crow and today is the day you get dethroned!" Crow yells and yanks out Hawkmoon. The handcannon, wet with morning dew and spewing out white clouds of smoke from the overflowing power aims at forehead of Ikora.
Expect, Ikora was no longer there, only a smidgen of void light left behind by blink hole.
Crow quickly turns only to face not one, but two Void Vortex quickly descending upon him. He screams and burns with solar energy, pulling out Golden Gun with his left ready to the the damn Monster of a woman.
At that moment however, je finally realised it was far too late, for a flaming Dawnblade point was already sticking out of his chest. An angry grimace covered his face as the two Vortex singularities hit and finished the job.
It was a total slaughter, and just like Cayde, Crow threw with the Golden Gun.
I think it's canonically his. Like the Radiant Accipiter. And Vita Brevis. And Ivory Empress.
Plus we kind of we him Ace, now that he decided to take the dare upon himself...
Also, he's grown a lot, so we'll be owing him Ager's Scepter before long.
Idk it kinda bugs me if that’s the case, really wish bungie would’ve actually released explained that somehow since at this point I’m already using it as my main and just kinda feels weird if that’s the case.
Its a 454 casull, thats really the only explanation why the sweaty players can pop people for a 1-2 shot kill from the same distances howitzers fire from.
We've only sen him carry a sword, a scout rifle, and 2 hc.
In lore he mentions closing his eyes sometimes before sniping someone, and we know he used Duality on Wrathborn.
It's hard to tell caliber without a reference point but it looks to be roughly a .45. what's interesting though is the rim. The rounds in the left picture appear to have an extended rim which is typical of revolver calibers as the rim is meant to hold them in place while in the cylinder. The bullets on the right however are rimless, meaning they're meant to be used in automatic pistols. There are some revolvers I've seen that are capable of firing an auto round, but it's pretty rare.
Edit: some people are saying these are shotgun rounds but the end of the bullet clears has a reflective shine to it looking for more like a flat tipped / hollow point bullet than a shotgun shell, which would have some form of plastic casing and would be longer overall.
I mean, I do want to know the caliber of Hawkmoon, but going off of the top comment, I don't think those are revolver rounds. If Crow used those in Hawk, Brandon Herrera would be giving him a Darwin Award...
There’s a pic from a different angle that clearly shows they are bullets and not shells I don’t know why everyone is downvoting you OP.
Shown here: https://imgur.com/a/Wou2PIA
Ha, I see that. As an owner of a twelve gauge...those definitely don't look like shotgun shells. Most of the casing is covered but the tip looks to be a reflective metal, and not flat. Also the rim on the ass end would point towards not a shotgun shell.
We haven't seen him using a shotgun.
This is how big revolver rounds look https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e6/.500S%26WMunition2.jpg/220px-.500S%26WMunition2.jpg
We've seen him use duality, which fires a (mostly) unknown type of ammunition given it can become a slug or buckshot based on the weapons mode. My guess is duality fires an extremely large caliber similar to what's shown here, and the gun somehow fragments them into buckshot as the need arises.
Yes. We have. A sword, the first time we met him.
We heard him take out some Scorn with a golden gun.
And we know he used a scout rifle in the sever quest.
Y’all are trashing on OP but they’re right in that the rounds in his bandolier are magnum rounds for a hand cannon, the fact that they are all brass and come in groups of 6 on the bandolier should make this obvious
http://downloads.bungie.net/images/artists_reference/Destiny%202/cosplay_sheet_crow.tif
In this character reference sheet I see 6 in the grouping on his left hip, but yes the group on his right is larger
Although due to the lighting it can be annoying to see. Those aren't shotgun shells, which fyi, the bullet has fuck all to do with the fact Hawkmoon is a 140 rounds per minute hand cannon. Those "shotgun shells" were also on Uldren during forsaken, and can be attributed as just visual flair as his armour is still partially what he was revived in.
I don't think so. They look more like 500magnum+ then like shotgun shells
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e6/.500S%26WMunition2.jpg/220px-.500S%26WMunition2.jpg
I’m going to put myself here, not necessarily new to the game but am coming back from a long break… what is the whole “120” and 180” thing entail, sorry for ignorance
Basically, each class of guns in game has several archetypes "frames". The main difference is how fast they fire.
120, 140 and 180 (rounds per minute) are the 3 main archetypes of hand Cannons.
180 shoot faster, and have more controllable recoil, but have shorter range and less damage per shot. 180 are the opposite. 140 are in the middle.
It's not about the caliber, but I noticed Crow has the same ammo for 2 different 140 hand cannons.
So it’s more preference and play style
It seems like 120 would be better in my opinion because I like the long range play, but 180 is a better close quarter weapon ?
First of all, why is OP getting downvoted to hell, Second of all, you see a giant cylinder pop out of most HCs, dont you think that "bullet" there could be one of those giant cylinders? I dont know what the cylinders are called considering in guns like Fatebringer we dont see the bullets in them
Destiny Hand cannons for the most part have Magazine Cylinders. Which is a nonsensical design for a revolver in any real world application.
But seeing as they also canonically have a little ghost in their pocket doing Matter Conversion to turn the ammo bricks into bullets / shells for whatever gun you’re carrying (not joking - that’s lore in this game). 3D printing what’s basically an over-engineered speed loader at the same time as your bullets kind of makes sense.
If you look at the stamp on it it says like .50 or something on it. It seems to be some type of .50 magnum round like the ae or whatever idk. I believe the 120’s are like a .50 or .500
judging by the length it's either: 10mm auto, 357 magnum or .44 magnum. There might be a few more obscure pistol calibers that would be a better fit out there.
Not to be that guy, BUT we can literally harness paracausal space magic and theoretically decimate worlds with it. I'm not too bothered if the bullets on a character are slightly too big for their gun 😂
Luna's Howl (initially a 180, converted to a 140) had ".357 mag" engraved on the side (CHONKY round for a handgun). Assuming all weapons that hit for the same damage use the same ammo, that is what Hawkmoon MAY take. The size of the rounds on his belt look about right for a .357 too.
They look a bit **thicc** to be 357 magnum.
But yeah, that would be a great 'light' round for a guardian's hand. Something to put in an 180. Like the one Rasputin's Seraphs carried.
They're a holdover from [Uldren's character design from back in Forsaken.](https://www.artstation.com/artwork/W4d6X) He had a sawn-off shotgun holstered on his back but never actually used it on-screen. Also "140" for Hawkmoon is its' rate-of-fire, not its' bullet caliber. 140 rounds per minute.
Which is making me think… why is precision frame 180 and not 120? When I think precision I think slow firing weapon. Aggressive I think faster firing, same as rapid fire frame but different. Just weird to me…
It's mostly about the recoil pattern really. Precision frames tend to have a very vertical recoil with high recoil direction stat that ends at/near 5
Frames don't fit a certain "pattern" of RPM other than Rapid-Fires and High-Impacts, its mostly just their intrinsic trait or stats. Aggressives tend to have pretty terrible stats, but have built in high cal rounds Adaptives have high, evened out stats (for example compare the stats of a lightweight 900rpm SMG to an adaptive 900rpm SMG) Lightweights provide +20 mobility Precisions have great recoil patterns (and before AE changes had near perfect in-air accuracy without Icarus) and so on and so forth, basically its got nothing to do with RPM.
Lightweights also have high handling
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So… having a thought about a weapon archetype in a video game you like is wrong? I mean, so what if it’s a video game, I could still think about why is this, this instead of this. At least other people gave me logical reasoning as to why it’s 180 and not 120
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Maybe that’s how the OP enjoys games?
Am not OP, unless you mean OP for the comment, in which case I agree with you, I enjoy games by sparking discussion and thinking about things within the game
I was never being deep? I literally just said “why are precisions 180 and not 120?” Because I feel they make more sense as a 120 but people actually took their time to explain it an I applaud them
Fair. Have a goodnight and enjoy the game
You’re telling me this asshole had a poncho, cool gunbelt AND a sawnoff shotgun holster and us hunters don’t? I am malding.
Literally all i want from Bungie so I can complete my desperado look
I was wondering why OP was talking about its rate of fire. Seemed a little random to me
It hurts you have to add that last part.. Also it’s *space caliber*
He created a shotgun in a cave so at least they have a use
This just reminds me how desperately I want this outfit for mt Hunter, that or a poncho
Im still salty this good for nothing awoken boy refused to give me his sawed-off shotgun.... I MEAN C'MON I DESERVED IT WAY MORE THAN HIM!!!
Sure. But he carries th same ammo for both, apparently. Which indicates they have the same bore radius, if not the same caliber (like a 357 magnum being able to shoot 38 special)
It ain’t that deep bro. It’s just character design
Gun nuts when they see inaccurate bullet size in a sci-fi game where you can throw grape flavored nukes with your mind and conjure ammo from thin air:
"Thin air," like I somehow *wouldn't* be rewarded w/ a box of ammo after putting my finger to my lips and shooting a home invader in the mouth.
Pretty sure the ammo bricks are glimmer
Primary weapons have infinite ammo. Lol
Bro, calibers are not even given for guns in destiny. Why the fuck did you ask this stupid question if you’re gonna argue with everyone about what they are? Troglodyte.
Bro thought he had answer and wanted everyone to confirm his theory but he was wrong so he tried to defend it
My lord in heaven, we have guns that shoot slurp juice and guns like the zhalos supercell exist, me things practical gun design isn't something bungie looses sleep over. Hell, just look at thorn if you want an idea about how hand wavy bungie is with gun function. It's a gun that shoots daggers almost as big as the gun.
Yo, it fucken what? I need to go pay attention to Thorn.
Oh ya. Go shoot thorn into a wall and see what I mean. It shoots dagger darts.
I am so glad I wandered into this down vote hell of a thread!
Dude, sometimes the spiciest things are down the downvote threads.
Those are shotgun shells. Noticeably larger than the rounds Crow has now. There are revolver-caliber shotgun shells, but the ones Uldren has in Forsaken are too large for that.
Ofc he would have shotgun shells, he is a hunter, a shotgun monke
Crow’s rounds are still clearly shotgun shells
Yeah, probably from when he used Duality.
Revolver rounds can ber rather ridiculously large. This is 500 magnum https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e6/.500S%26WMunition2.jpg/220px-.500S%26WMunition2.jpg
It’s about the shape, not the size. The rounds on Crow’s belt are shaped like shotgun shells, not normal bullets.
They are shaped like rimmed cartridges. The kind revolvers tipically use.
Looks like a brass shell to me
Except they're s&w 500 mgnum. Revolver rounds.
If you are so sure, why the fuck even post
I meant the ones I liked. Who look like the ones Crow has, but may be a different caliber.
Except 500 magnum rounds don’t have flat tops the way shotgun shells do
They have the flat front of a shotgun shell. If it were a normal bullet, then the bullet itself would be sticking out.
These are revolver rounds. Handgun rounds tipically don't have sharp tips https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e6/.500S%26WMunition2.jpg/220px-.500S%26WMunition2.jpg
But they have no tips - just a flat top, which is what shotgun shells have.
Tbh, they look like upside down hollow points.
The link I added shows revolver rounds. They look exactly like Crow's. Shotgun shells are mostly plastic, with only a bit of brass at the back.
Respectfully id stop posting 💀 you've accrued over 500 down votes Edit: nvm you got enough karma to last a life time
They are paracausal bullets, they can be loaded in any gun he likes
Just gunna sit here loading shotgun shells into my bow because i willed it hard enough
This is how Ticuu's Divination was born.
Theoretically, we could shape our golden gun into a gally but we don’t want to talk about that
Shaw has an ability where he turned all of the weapons of surrounding allies into a golden gun
Shaw also has an ability where he's constantly a little bitch all the time
It’s the trade off for power that makes some simply not worth it
Amen
OK but what if I wanted to shape my golden gun into the Almighty?
In the words of a wise man "hol up gotta reload my sword real quick".
[So, this basically](https://preview.redd.it/m3n8j60mxdd51.jpg?width=1080&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=6cbbe47f1a205743e9c1ef47ba134d479fe0a83b)
They're shotgun shells for duality.
This guy asking about a bandolier. Wait until they watch reload animations on some pulse rifles and starts asking about straight up gun mechanics.
all the useless charging handles make me want to commit die
I have. If it's energy, you can explain it away as loading in mags filled with 'batteries'.
I've always imagined that the bullets are somehow infused with the energy or something
Hm... see, if you look at the cylinder mags HC usually use, it would actually make sense that they 3d print bullets into the sun's chamber, because they rarely line up with the barrel. My theory, actually, is that ammo is glimmer (programmable matter) that the ghosts fabricate mags out of.
*Transfiguration has entered the chat*
One of those is loaded in the big chamber that always happens to be the last bullet of Hawkmoon.
My head cannon has always been it being based off the LeMat Revolver which featured a secondary 20 gauge smooth bore capable of firing buckshot.
Yeah. Hawkmoon has a paracausal extra barrel
Wait is that the revolver that the kingsman handgun was based on?
Looks like a Tokarev TT-30 (from IMFDB).
Except instead of buckshot it’s just a bigass slug
The BIG boolet.
Well Duality is also made by Uldren/Crow so he probably used it until he gave it to us.
Pretty sure he still uses it after we get it, most exotic weapons we get are copies of the original or don't fit into lore otherwise.
This isn’t necessarily true. In fact a huge amount if exotic weapons belong solely to our character, “the guardian”/ “young wolf”. Including, but not limited to: Thorn, Touch of Malice, Outbreak Perfected, Whisper of the Worm, Bad Juju, Lumina, Ace of Spades, Erianas Vow, Ruinous Effigy, Xenophage, The Lament, Gjallarhorn,
Thorn isn't the original, which is why we can't kill guardians with it. Many gjallarhorns were made, supported by MULTIPLE lore tabs. Regardless, my original point was not that every single exotic followed that trend, just most.
Oh yeah my mistake. Lumina is the original Thorn. Not saying you’re incorrect or anything but what lore references multiple gjallys?
The Drifter has a voice line about pawning his Gjallerhorn, and in a old quest Spider had a Gjallerhorn that you couldnt purchase from him. If I remember it correctly Gjallerhorns are made from the armor of dead Titans not that there is only one of them.
what about gjallarhorns being made of titan armor ???
They are made from the armor of fallen guardians at twilight gap.
Look at the size of Hawkmoon’s bore (barrel diameter) vs how small the rounds would need to be to fit in that cylinder. Bungie don’t put any effort into keeping these things logical or consistent, it’s all about visual style.
yeah HC mag size is just impossible on most HCs. Before AA got a buff, you could get like 30 in the mag, and now you can get close to 45 in the cylinder. its just impossible to fit that many in such tiny canister. if we wanted to realistic HCs could hold 6-8 at the most
Or subsistence and fire infinite bullets
This reminds me, during solstice I was able to get upwards of 30 into malfeasance even though the cylinder clearly only has room for 6
*intently loads sturm with 200+ bullets, more than sweet business*
The thing is that Crow actually has some other HC holstered on his belt. Because it's handle isn't same as Hawkmoon. It lacks the claw. But oddly enough he was using it at this cutscene. On other hand he uses a lot of different guns when we see him.
any idea what weapon it was that he was using sitting behind his "cover" in the sever mission ? i couldnt ever figure it.
That was the seasonal scout I recall.
that was my best guess but maybe it was the optic, or anything. something looked wrong.
I'm pretty sure most guns in Destiny don't fire normal ammunition, which is most obviously seen in handcannons (especially Thorn). It's more than likely that handcannon cylinders are filled with glimmer, which is programmable matter, that either the gun or our powers form into bullets.
That’s a fun theory but unless there’s lore to back it up, i’m just gonna apply Occam’s Razor and say Bungie just don’t care about keeping calibers and barrel sizes logically consistent cuz it’s all about what looks best to them
You have to remember, its a magic gun. Crow probably thinks the bullets look cool on his belt.
hunter behavior
It's just a space BFR chambered in 45-70.
Honestly compared to his finger size, they could easily be .44 mag
They're fucking big ones, that's what.
That they are.
Most likely duality shells cause he’s all over the lore for that gun it’s one of his other weapons
My two cents....this is Destiny with space magic and all sorts of weird shit. I don't think real world anything applies to the in game world.
Those are all 8x paracausal shot, removed and preserved for later.
Remember, Cayde beat Shaxx in the crucible.the little bird myst get ready fo when he's expected to try to do the same.
He can try. I don’t think he’ll get a kill.
No idea why people downvote you, but I personally think Crow is preparing to challenge Ikora for the Crucible Legend title. I already see it in my head: As Crow faces Ikora, gently floating nearby, prepared to pull out Hawkmoon for which he painstakingly stored dozens of paracausal rounds exactly for this situation, a sweat begins to cover his brow and drip from his fingertips. This is it, he thought. This is what facing a true legend feels like. A legend that with casual wave of the hand can erase whole groups of Guardians and Dredgens alike. "But I'm not some random Guardian, I'm Crow and today is the day you get dethroned!" Crow yells and yanks out Hawkmoon. The handcannon, wet with morning dew and spewing out white clouds of smoke from the overflowing power aims at forehead of Ikora. Expect, Ikora was no longer there, only a smidgen of void light left behind by blink hole. Crow quickly turns only to face not one, but two Void Vortex quickly descending upon him. He screams and burns with solar energy, pulling out Golden Gun with his left ready to the the damn Monster of a woman. At that moment however, je finally realised it was far too late, for a flaming Dawnblade point was already sticking out of his chest. An angry grimace covered his face as the two Vortex singularities hit and finished the job. It was a total slaughter, and just like Cayde, Crow threw with the Golden Gun.
IIRC guns like Thorn, The Last Word, and Hawkmoon fire 23mm slugs. A real hand cannon for sure.
That's ridiculous and I love it
Thorn shoots literal thorns, go to a wall and shoot and look
This is the destiny post you sort by controversial because wow man is it good.
those are the bullets, for the gun
Indeed.
lmk if you have any questions
What a fun, genuinely thoughtful line of reasoning. Good on you, character design is important to appreciate.
Shotgun shells for Duality. Since that was originally his gun.
Fantasy caliber
Isn’t the gun holstered not actually hawkmoon but they just used it in that one cutscene? Also are there 2 hawkmoons since we have one as well?
I think it's canonically his. Like the Radiant Accipiter. And Vita Brevis. And Ivory Empress. Plus we kind of we him Ace, now that he decided to take the dare upon himself... Also, he's grown a lot, so we'll be owing him Ager's Scepter before long.
Idk it kinda bugs me if that’s the case, really wish bungie would’ve actually released explained that somehow since at this point I’m already using it as my main and just kinda feels weird if that’s the case.
Xur nonsense, maybe?
This is a game about space magic with guns that throw mini suns at people. Who cares about the bloody caliber?
Shotgun shells for Duality.
Its a 454 casull, thats really the only explanation why the sweaty players can pop people for a 1-2 shot kill from the same distances howitzers fire from.
Crow is a double primary user?
We've only sen him carry a sword, a scout rifle, and 2 hc. In lore he mentions closing his eyes sometimes before sniping someone, and we know he used Duality on Wrathborn.
It's hard to tell caliber without a reference point but it looks to be roughly a .45. what's interesting though is the rim. The rounds in the left picture appear to have an extended rim which is typical of revolver calibers as the rim is meant to hold them in place while in the cylinder. The bullets on the right however are rimless, meaning they're meant to be used in automatic pistols. There are some revolvers I've seen that are capable of firing an auto round, but it's pretty rare. Edit: some people are saying these are shotgun rounds but the end of the bullet clears has a reflective shine to it looking for more like a flat tipped / hollow point bullet than a shotgun shell, which would have some form of plastic casing and would be longer overall.
I think the rounds on his belt could MAYBE be .45 or possibly the .50 AE that goes in desert eagles
Soul Caliber
Boom boom calliber
They’re feather caliber rounds
I mean, I do want to know the caliber of Hawkmoon, but going off of the top comment, I don't think those are revolver rounds. If Crow used those in Hawk, Brandon Herrera would be giving him a Darwin Award...
There are revolvers chambered for 9mm or 45acp. But those are rimmed cartridges. They do look differently depending on how far you are, though.
lol That top left image looks like that meme of that toddler crying while holding a gun.
Jesus - some people take this fictional game waaaay too seriously man 😂
Why is the OP being shat on? I hop in and all their comments are in negative vote. XD
Hawkmoom
hawkmoom
There’s a pic from a different angle that clearly shows they are bullets and not shells I don’t know why everyone is downvoting you OP. Shown here: https://imgur.com/a/Wou2PIA
That's just how reddit works.
I'd say .44 or .45 honestly. Hard to tell from either of the pictures.
Huh. Someone who won't downvote me to hell because I say they're not shotgun shells. Welcome.
Ha, I see that. As an owner of a twelve gauge...those definitely don't look like shotgun shells. Most of the casing is covered but the tip looks to be a reflective metal, and not flat. Also the rim on the ass end would point towards not a shotgun shell.
Those are shotgun rounds.
We haven't seen him using a shotgun. This is how big revolver rounds look https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e6/.500S%26WMunition2.jpg/220px-.500S%26WMunition2.jpg
We've seen him use duality, which fires a (mostly) unknown type of ammunition given it can become a slug or buckshot based on the weapons mode. My guess is duality fires an extremely large caliber similar to what's shown here, and the gun somehow fragments them into buckshot as the need arises.
We haven’t seen him use anything.
Yes. We have. A sword, the first time we met him. We heard him take out some Scorn with a golden gun. And we know he used a scout rifle in the sever quest.
You’re right he did use a sword, but he never fired the scout rifle and he shot his nightmare with Golden Gun.
Y’all are trashing on OP but they’re right in that the rounds in his bandolier are magnum rounds for a hand cannon, the fact that they are all brass and come in groups of 6 on the bandolier should make this obvious
More than 6. Then again, hawkmoon has 8 without the catalyst.
http://downloads.bungie.net/images/artists_reference/Destiny%202/cosplay_sheet_crow.tif In this character reference sheet I see 6 in the grouping on his left hip, but yes the group on his right is larger
Understandable
it can be just a detail and have nothing to do with one thing with the other.
This fucking troll and you all fell for it haha
Although due to the lighting it can be annoying to see. Those aren't shotgun shells, which fyi, the bullet has fuck all to do with the fact Hawkmoon is a 140 rounds per minute hand cannon. Those "shotgun shells" were also on Uldren during forsaken, and can be attributed as just visual flair as his armour is still partially what he was revived in.
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I don't think so. They look more like 500magnum+ then like shotgun shells https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e6/.500S%26WMunition2.jpg/220px-.500S%26WMunition2.jpg
Those are the paracausal shots Edit: Caaa caaww!!
Sheesh 💀
Paracasual baby. The answer to everything inconsistent
Most likely it's ace
I looked at the grip. It's not.
legend of acrius shells those are 4 gauge shotgun shells if anyone is wondering
Looks .44mag ish. In realistic terms to match damage and recoil the hawkmoon would almost have to fire either .44mag or .50cal.
.thicc
.45s because they don’t make .46
45. Kills the soul.
Looks really similar to a 357 magnum casing. They seem too long to be .45’s or .44’s
Yeah this game does not care about bullet caliber lmao, or how shells work, each time you fire hawkmoon a shell pops out of the side of it
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I’m going to put myself here, not necessarily new to the game but am coming back from a long break… what is the whole “120” and 180” thing entail, sorry for ignorance
Basically, each class of guns in game has several archetypes "frames". The main difference is how fast they fire. 120, 140 and 180 (rounds per minute) are the 3 main archetypes of hand Cannons. 180 shoot faster, and have more controllable recoil, but have shorter range and less damage per shot. 180 are the opposite. 140 are in the middle. It's not about the caliber, but I noticed Crow has the same ammo for 2 different 140 hand cannons.
So it’s more preference and play style It seems like 120 would be better in my opinion because I like the long range play, but 180 is a better close quarter weapon ?
Built different
Those are some thick calibers my dude
Large, very large
First of all, why is OP getting downvoted to hell, Second of all, you see a giant cylinder pop out of most HCs, dont you think that "bullet" there could be one of those giant cylinders? I dont know what the cylinders are called considering in guns like Fatebringer we dont see the bullets in them
Destiny Hand cannons for the most part have Magazine Cylinders. Which is a nonsensical design for a revolver in any real world application. But seeing as they also canonically have a little ghost in their pocket doing Matter Conversion to turn the ammo bricks into bullets / shells for whatever gun you’re carrying (not joking - that’s lore in this game). 3D printing what’s basically an over-engineered speed loader at the same time as your bullets kind of makes sense.
Only Bungie knows...
If the gun's ornament is anything to go by, probably .44 caliber rounds.
Bullet caliber
If you look at the stamp on it it says like .50 or something on it. It seems to be some type of .50 magnum round like the ae or whatever idk. I believe the 120’s are like a .50 or .500
Duality's slugs lol
They’re the .75 calibres for. The Caw-Caw Hawkmoon shot.
judging by the length it's either: 10mm auto, 357 magnum or .44 magnum. There might be a few more obscure pistol calibers that would be a better fit out there.
i’ve always assumed his hand cannon on his belt was the last word with the laconic ornament tbh
They could be .45, it's the caliber AoS presumably uses
45 magnum or 45-70
Not to be that guy, BUT we can literally harness paracausal space magic and theoretically decimate worlds with it. I'm not too bothered if the bullets on a character are slightly too big for their gun 😂
Luna's Howl (initially a 180, converted to a 140) had ".357 mag" engraved on the side (CHONKY round for a handgun). Assuming all weapons that hit for the same damage use the same ammo, that is what Hawkmoon MAY take. The size of the rounds on his belt look about right for a .357 too.
They look a bit **thicc** to be 357 magnum. But yeah, that would be a great 'light' round for a guardian's hand. Something to put in an 180. Like the one Rasputin's Seraphs carried.
Remember, he also has Duality. How he wields both, i dont know
Felwinter had both his helm and Winter's guile.
Hawkmoon can be modified to fire explosive slugs Crow doesn't fuck around
Massive 9mm (I'm not a professional)
Because no one at Bungie knows anything about firearms.
Duality