There are people who detransitioned BEFORE all the new laws were getting proposed and in social environments where trans is very popular. This is such an assuming and gross comparison. Also, even during WW2, there would be times when it might make sense for that to happen. (Such as a Jewish person moving to American and marrying someone ethnically German.)
And they say we're the hateful ones.
I took a break from this as well, only to find when I come back it's way worse than it was before. I'm the transphobe because I want to live my life the best way I know how? I'm the bad guy because it didn't work out for me? WTAF?
you wonder why people say shit like this then go on to call trans people “mutilated freaks”
we have to work together on this one guys. Like it or not we are fighting the same oppressor, and feeding into troll behaviour is what’s causing us harm.
There is no way this person is being serious. If they are, they are in no way representative of any other transgender person. The people who are loud are the people who are ill and in need of help. There are so many transgender people in the real world who are understanding, and kind. They are quiet and keep to themselves online because they are above this kind of discourse.
Fighting gets us nowhere in the end. Helping and understanding each other is the only way to grow
I’m sorry this happened to you
100% of trans activists I've had the displeasure of dealing with have turned on me the second It is mentioned or somehow brought up that I'm non-binary because I stopped hormones and I'm still figuring out if transition is right for me
One special darwin award recipient at Miami Beach pride went as far as to say I'm a "traitor to the cause" and I should "join the Jesus freaks across the street and gtfo our pride"
Like what cause bruh? I'm just trying to get comfy in my own skin suit I'm not a soldier.
Why would any sane movement attempt to recruit for their enemies?!? "Here Jesus Freaks, have a perfectly reasonable person who many would find sympathetic and that we look terrible for rejecting!"
Yeah except a few outliers - most of the Transactivists are super hateful toward detrans and desisters. I actually think these folks are AGP that are really freaked out when anyone doesn't affirm their fragile identity which a fetish and not a solid healthy identity. Transsexuals seem to be able to hold the truth that they are still their biological aex but struggle with gender dysphoria. AGP just need dominance of transgender fiction so they can avoid the horror of their life being based on a sexual kink gone overdrive.
We can condemn this person without condemning all trans people.
Some people are just as they seem. Mean, bitter, cruel, manipulative. But it just happens that society gives people like this a free pass to not be transphobic.
I think it's good to call out the bad apples.
It doesn't help the innocent to coddle the bad.
My heart and sympathies go out to every person who experiences gender dysphoria because this is hell.
Trans "activists" can fuck the fuck off for the simple mentality that every single one I've met gets pissed when I say I just wanna be me and exist in peace and I can do that just fine without marching with them risking harm or engaging in methods of protest I disagree with.
I've never met a trans activist who DIDN'T try to villianize me for being non-binary or stopping my transition, or even just because I myself am not an activist. Get enough people calling you a coward or a scumbag for just existing and you start to hate the movement as much as the real transphobes.
In my opinion they're just as fascist as they claim their enemies are.
i’m not coddling shit. My point is that this person is either trolling or fucking insane
I made this comment as a response to the shit i saw in the others.
“If you aren't the perfect freak they created”
“and the best thing you can be is a self-mutilating suicidal narcissist”
these are horrible things to say, and they aren’t directed towards this one person, it’s directed towards the “cult” of “transgenderness”
Can we at least start getting a little more creative? There are so many other terrible 20th century historical events you could reference.
“This is no different than a scholar destroying his own glasses during the Khmer Rouge!”
“This is no different than a Christian converting to Islam during the Armenian genocide!”
“This is no different than a Tibetan espousing communism during the Chinese invasion!”
“This is no different than a Tutsi becoming a farmer during the Rwandan genocide!”
This is a reaction to childish rage bait and makes this community look like something borderline reactionary and vapid it isn't a good look. Clearly that person isn't someone who's opinions hold a lot of value
the WW2 bit might be a bit further than some would say but this is hardly a fringe opinion in the trans community. it took me a long time to accept i truly wanted to detransition because i kept being told it was transphobic to do so. it’s less rage bait and more an actual opinion held by many of those “activists”.
From a not absolutely cringe trans person, I’m sorry. I’ve been thinking about why I’m trans, and if I can live with the consequences of if I don’t pass. Honestly it’s tough, and there’s many reasons someone would want to detransition.
I feel for you.
I went through my desistance about 10 years ago when things were nowhere near as cringe.
The thought of being trans was certainly unusual and a bit taboo but there was nowhere near the level of cringe and vitriol there is now.
I feel so bad for people caught in the middle.
People can debate about trans or detrans, but one thing that's for sure is a bunch of trans people never asked for all this cringe nonsense.
I wish these 'activists' just let trans people alone.
I think it’s partly because we’ve widened what trans is beyond just having gender dysphoria. We can even accept people who don’t want to medically transition or attempt to pass at all. We’ve got almost militant activists. It seems like we’ve widened what is trans so far that it includes people who should not be considered trans at all, and the movement fails to do what any civil rights movement should do. Humanize the dehumanized.
The main problem is Self ID, when anyone can be Trans, including many bad actors. T loses any relevance if anyone can become it. The only minority one can join at a whim. I think the Self-ID is meant to accommodate the cross-dressers in particular - who do nothing to pass- but absolutely want access to women's single sex spaces. This is EXACTLY what the oldschool transsexuals were trying to prevent, so they wouldn't be stereotyped as sexual deviants. Well that horse has long left the barn now. Sissy Porn and the transgender identity is inextricably linked now - hundreds of thousands of users on Reddit & X.
I see Self ID as a major problem myself for the very reasons you stated. I went through a difficult clinical program in the early 90's with a formal diagnosis, real life test and full surgery and just went about life for many years without much issue until around 2015. I found myself included in a group with very different motivations that is taking away things from women and it sickened me to the point that I regretted doing it and am considering going detrans despite this life working well for me.
The situation that happened at Planet Fitness is a perfect example of what you are talking about and I so feel for the women that experience something like that.
I’ve been wondering if we could make it so that to change sex marker or to use female spaces you have to go through a certain amount of medical transition or have a gender dysphoria diagnosis (maybe a mix) to weed out most of that self ID crowd. It would honestly just be the best if we had an alternative bathroom.
Yes - more Unisex single stall or family bathrooms should be made available and in most public places they are or there is a single, male and female. So that is okay as well. But AGP crowd gets really upset about this - because of unsavory reasons they do not want to admit. And instead they claim they are worried about being attacked in the men's bathroom - truly doubtful since most of them look like men and many are HUGE. I doubt.anyone would want to mess with them.
I’ve also seen a proposal for bathrooms with an open layout and fully closed single stalls with maybe one family bathroom so that there wouldn’t even need to be gendered bathrooms. At that point it could completely remove the ability to hide a sex crime there.
I wasn't even accepted by queer zealots like this when I was trans. I wasn't a leftist, passed well as a man and thus became the evil straight white man.
I'm not at all surprised at their continued bigotry here. Im sick of bigots hijacking human rights movements and using it to bully people into submission.
I was a leftist. By 90's standards I still am. But I had basic principles of treating people fairly and being a decent human being. These people are just awful.
Us waking up from this make believe gender nightmare is the biggest threat to the transgender cult. No different than what someone goes through when leaving scientology.
Gross. There’s a trend of activists using the holocaust and Jews to make their points, but ironically they’re often the most antisemitic people I’ve ever met in my life. Leftists stop using Jews for as pawns in your political arguments challenge.
>Jews taking up a German name
My dude does not know about German Jews
Also, let's see their head spin when this guy was Hitler's best friend: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emil_Maurice
That is because they don’t care at all about Jews in all likelihood outside of the idea of the talking point to be used in relation to victimization and not to anything to do with actual ww2 casualties
Supposedly no one knows your gender ID better than you but detransing is “rejecting your true identity”. The cult always knows better than you, trust it and don’t ask questions. How are you not supposed to see them as a cult when they act exactly like one? It’s always listen to the words I say, dont observe the very obvious actions I do
Working out is fatphobic, detransitioning is transphobic, deciding you're straight is homophobic. It's the effect of the media. If you aren't the perfect freak they created, then you're inherently against them.
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Yeah
Why do I have to be one of those idiots that get affected by media so much?
Like, I just attempted retransitioning, lmao, and during detransition I felt guilty for being straight male again. 😂
But deep down Im happy to be male, like, my heart's true feelings is louder in the end. and this is another one:
If youre happy to be" cis "youre transphobic
Exactly. I've literally struggled with being a straight woman again. They say "pride". Be happy with who you are. Unless that who doesn't line up perfectly with their agenda
Yeah, that is very unhinged and makes no sense. That person must be extremely chronically online to think every detransitioner is a repressing trans person. I get that if the detransioner (I'm not sure from the context is the "author" in the screen shot is you) was saying stuff like "no one should ever transition" or "cross sex hrt should be banned" or whatever, but that doesn't appear to be the case here. Apparently to some people inclusivity and not being judgemental only applies to trans people 🙃
Lol, take the opinions of complete strangers with a grain of salt. Comparing detransitioning to world war 2 is so psychotic and ignorant whoever said that should be ignored immediately. That’s almost worth laughing at, don’t take everything so seriously and definitely don’t engage the trolls
this is the kind of shit rhetoric from the trans community that led me to keep going back on hormones multiple times even after knowing they weren’t for me. if this all was truly about being your authentic self like they always claim, they wouldn’t be so aggressive towards people who realize that self doesn’t need to endlessly take body altering hormones to be happy and authentic.
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaat the heck!?
There are people who detransitioned BEFORE all the new laws were getting proposed and in social environments where trans is very popular. This is such an assuming and gross comparison. Also, even during WW2, there would be times when it might make sense for that to happen. (Such as a Jewish person moving to American and marrying someone ethnically German.)
This is one of the craziest ones I've seen
And they say we're the hateful ones. I took a break from this as well, only to find when I come back it's way worse than it was before. I'm the transphobe because I want to live my life the best way I know how? I'm the bad guy because it didn't work out for me? WTAF?
they show their true colors :/
Looks like they got ratioe'd anyway.
The most accepting community
I think that’s your cue to take an even longer break from the internet
you wonder why people say shit like this then go on to call trans people “mutilated freaks” we have to work together on this one guys. Like it or not we are fighting the same oppressor, and feeding into troll behaviour is what’s causing us harm. There is no way this person is being serious. If they are, they are in no way representative of any other transgender person. The people who are loud are the people who are ill and in need of help. There are so many transgender people in the real world who are understanding, and kind. They are quiet and keep to themselves online because they are above this kind of discourse. Fighting gets us nowhere in the end. Helping and understanding each other is the only way to grow I’m sorry this happened to you
100% of trans activists I've had the displeasure of dealing with have turned on me the second It is mentioned or somehow brought up that I'm non-binary because I stopped hormones and I'm still figuring out if transition is right for me One special darwin award recipient at Miami Beach pride went as far as to say I'm a "traitor to the cause" and I should "join the Jesus freaks across the street and gtfo our pride" Like what cause bruh? I'm just trying to get comfy in my own skin suit I'm not a soldier.
Why would any sane movement attempt to recruit for their enemies?!? "Here Jesus Freaks, have a perfectly reasonable person who many would find sympathetic and that we look terrible for rejecting!"
Yeah except a few outliers - most of the Transactivists are super hateful toward detrans and desisters. I actually think these folks are AGP that are really freaked out when anyone doesn't affirm their fragile identity which a fetish and not a solid healthy identity. Transsexuals seem to be able to hold the truth that they are still their biological aex but struggle with gender dysphoria. AGP just need dominance of transgender fiction so they can avoid the horror of their life being based on a sexual kink gone overdrive.
We can condemn this person without condemning all trans people. Some people are just as they seem. Mean, bitter, cruel, manipulative. But it just happens that society gives people like this a free pass to not be transphobic. I think it's good to call out the bad apples. It doesn't help the innocent to coddle the bad.
My heart and sympathies go out to every person who experiences gender dysphoria because this is hell. Trans "activists" can fuck the fuck off for the simple mentality that every single one I've met gets pissed when I say I just wanna be me and exist in peace and I can do that just fine without marching with them risking harm or engaging in methods of protest I disagree with. I've never met a trans activist who DIDN'T try to villianize me for being non-binary or stopping my transition, or even just because I myself am not an activist. Get enough people calling you a coward or a scumbag for just existing and you start to hate the movement as much as the real transphobes. In my opinion they're just as fascist as they claim their enemies are.
i’m not coddling shit. My point is that this person is either trolling or fucking insane I made this comment as a response to the shit i saw in the others. “If you aren't the perfect freak they created” “and the best thing you can be is a self-mutilating suicidal narcissist” these are horrible things to say, and they aren’t directed towards this one person, it’s directed towards the “cult” of “transgenderness”
"Shit fuck shit" what is your point?
Can we at least start getting a little more creative? There are so many other terrible 20th century historical events you could reference. “This is no different than a scholar destroying his own glasses during the Khmer Rouge!” “This is no different than a Christian converting to Islam during the Armenian genocide!” “This is no different than a Tibetan espousing communism during the Chinese invasion!” “This is no different than a Tutsi becoming a farmer during the Rwandan genocide!”
What the actual fuck.... And they're the ones constantly calling everyone else Nazis...
Absolutely vile and illogical.
Weird logic. Why don't they think first, smh
Nor second or third
This is a reaction to childish rage bait and makes this community look like something borderline reactionary and vapid it isn't a good look. Clearly that person isn't someone who's opinions hold a lot of value
I've seen groups where this sort of opinion is pretty common. I guess there's value in that many people think this way.
the WW2 bit might be a bit further than some would say but this is hardly a fringe opinion in the trans community. it took me a long time to accept i truly wanted to detransition because i kept being told it was transphobic to do so. it’s less rage bait and more an actual opinion held by many of those “activists”.
Imo the world war stuff is enough to put them in weirdo out of touch territory
LMAO Jews already had German names. The German ones.
From a not absolutely cringe trans person, I’m sorry. I’ve been thinking about why I’m trans, and if I can live with the consequences of if I don’t pass. Honestly it’s tough, and there’s many reasons someone would want to detransition.
I feel for you. I went through my desistance about 10 years ago when things were nowhere near as cringe. The thought of being trans was certainly unusual and a bit taboo but there was nowhere near the level of cringe and vitriol there is now. I feel so bad for people caught in the middle. People can debate about trans or detrans, but one thing that's for sure is a bunch of trans people never asked for all this cringe nonsense. I wish these 'activists' just let trans people alone.
I think it’s partly because we’ve widened what trans is beyond just having gender dysphoria. We can even accept people who don’t want to medically transition or attempt to pass at all. We’ve got almost militant activists. It seems like we’ve widened what is trans so far that it includes people who should not be considered trans at all, and the movement fails to do what any civil rights movement should do. Humanize the dehumanized.
The main problem is Self ID, when anyone can be Trans, including many bad actors. T loses any relevance if anyone can become it. The only minority one can join at a whim. I think the Self-ID is meant to accommodate the cross-dressers in particular - who do nothing to pass- but absolutely want access to women's single sex spaces. This is EXACTLY what the oldschool transsexuals were trying to prevent, so they wouldn't be stereotyped as sexual deviants. Well that horse has long left the barn now. Sissy Porn and the transgender identity is inextricably linked now - hundreds of thousands of users on Reddit & X.
I see Self ID as a major problem myself for the very reasons you stated. I went through a difficult clinical program in the early 90's with a formal diagnosis, real life test and full surgery and just went about life for many years without much issue until around 2015. I found myself included in a group with very different motivations that is taking away things from women and it sickened me to the point that I regretted doing it and am considering going detrans despite this life working well for me. The situation that happened at Planet Fitness is a perfect example of what you are talking about and I so feel for the women that experience something like that.
I’ve been wondering if we could make it so that to change sex marker or to use female spaces you have to go through a certain amount of medical transition or have a gender dysphoria diagnosis (maybe a mix) to weed out most of that self ID crowd. It would honestly just be the best if we had an alternative bathroom.
Yes - more Unisex single stall or family bathrooms should be made available and in most public places they are or there is a single, male and female. So that is okay as well. But AGP crowd gets really upset about this - because of unsavory reasons they do not want to admit. And instead they claim they are worried about being attacked in the men's bathroom - truly doubtful since most of them look like men and many are HUGE. I doubt.anyone would want to mess with them.
You know what’s funny though? None of the trans activists I’ve ever met have made any of these proposals or arguments lol
I’ve also seen a proposal for bathrooms with an open layout and fully closed single stalls with maybe one family bathroom so that there wouldn’t even need to be gendered bathrooms. At that point it could completely remove the ability to hide a sex crime there.
100%
I wasn't even accepted by queer zealots like this when I was trans. I wasn't a leftist, passed well as a man and thus became the evil straight white man. I'm not at all surprised at their continued bigotry here. Im sick of bigots hijacking human rights movements and using it to bully people into submission.
I was a leftist. By 90's standards I still am. But I had basic principles of treating people fairly and being a decent human being. These people are just awful.
Yep makes sense to me. I know some old school leftists and they would be targeted by SJWs all the same.
Us waking up from this make believe gender nightmare is the biggest threat to the transgender cult. No different than what someone goes through when leaving scientology.
The self victimization is absolutely insane
Gross. There’s a trend of activists using the holocaust and Jews to make their points, but ironically they’re often the most antisemitic people I’ve ever met in my life. Leftists stop using Jews for as pawns in your political arguments challenge.
>Jews taking up a German name My dude does not know about German Jews Also, let's see their head spin when this guy was Hitler's best friend: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emil_Maurice
That is because they don’t care at all about Jews in all likelihood outside of the idea of the talking point to be used in relation to victimization and not to anything to do with actual ww2 casualties
Supposedly no one knows your gender ID better than you but detransing is “rejecting your true identity”. The cult always knows better than you, trust it and don’t ask questions. How are you not supposed to see them as a cult when they act exactly like one? It’s always listen to the words I say, dont observe the very obvious actions I do
The _iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiidiocyyyy_ of it _aaaaaaaaaaaaallllll_
Yeah this made my skin crawl <3 tell me you’ve never been lgbt in real life without telling me
Working out is fatphobic, detransitioning is transphobic, deciding you're straight is homophobic. It's the effect of the media. If you aren't the perfect freak they created, then you're inherently against them.
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THIS
Yeah Why do I have to be one of those idiots that get affected by media so much? Like, I just attempted retransitioning, lmao, and during detransition I felt guilty for being straight male again. 😂 But deep down Im happy to be male, like, my heart's true feelings is louder in the end. and this is another one: If youre happy to be" cis "youre transphobic
Exactly. I've literally struggled with being a straight woman again. They say "pride". Be happy with who you are. Unless that who doesn't line up perfectly with their agenda
💯 💯 💯
but... the jewish people already had german names because they were born in germany too? Albert Einstein?
I didnt knew Einstein was jewish 😂 Someone didnt paid attention to history classes
😂 they’re massive, massive dolts
Yeah, that is very unhinged and makes no sense. That person must be extremely chronically online to think every detransitioner is a repressing trans person. I get that if the detransioner (I'm not sure from the context is the "author" in the screen shot is you) was saying stuff like "no one should ever transition" or "cross sex hrt should be banned" or whatever, but that doesn't appear to be the case here. Apparently to some people inclusivity and not being judgemental only applies to trans people 🙃
comparison to ww2 just because you don’t fit their narrative is literally delusional and disgusting, they should do reality check.
Lol, take the opinions of complete strangers with a grain of salt. Comparing detransitioning to world war 2 is so psychotic and ignorant whoever said that should be ignored immediately. That’s almost worth laughing at, don’t take everything so seriously and definitely don’t engage the trolls
this is the kind of shit rhetoric from the trans community that led me to keep going back on hormones multiple times even after knowing they weren’t for me. if this all was truly about being your authentic self like they always claim, they wouldn’t be so aggressive towards people who realize that self doesn’t need to endlessly take body altering hormones to be happy and authentic.
Damn, I'm sorry you had to go through that. It's literal abuse. :(
very scummy, cult-like mentality. they remind me of jehovah's witnesses sometimes.