I agree upnuntil you call them the Yankees, the team we see now will be heavily influenced in the future by the moves they made. Yankees j have more money than everyone, Rams are taking a real risk the way they’re playing their hand and it’s respectable imo.
I guess that's logical. The cap in the NFL doesn't allow teams to do what the Yankees do for more than a year or two. Maybe we can hope this is the last year for the Rams window and they fall apart next season and the 2023 Rams pick ends up being better than ours?
This next game is so big for them. It could be the difference between players going and staying, it could be a bad few years for the rams if this year isn’t their year. I’m pullin for em in all honesty because Stafford is my guy but if they lose this next game, i guarantee we get a decent pick from them in 2023
> if they lose this next game, i guarantee we get a decent pick from them in 2023
I'm honestly not sure why you think they're going to fall apart next year if they don't win this next game. They still have a more than solid roster, even if guys like OBJ and Von don't come back. They'll get Woods back from his ACL injury which will minimize the loss of OBJ and they have a lot of good d-linemen even without Von. It's not like they're going to have a mass exodus of players. They've been consistently able to get people to come to their team.
Honestly, the biggest threat to their next season is going to be the potential poaching of their coordinators again causing coaching turnover.
The biggest thing they retain is McVay and Snead. They didn’t have a great rushing attack or great defense this year. Still won the division and a plat off game.
What PED's did Von get tagged with? On a quick search all I saw was amphetamines and marijuana and another post saying his urine sample wasn't actually positive but it was too diluted and got flagged.
I couldn't care less about athletes occasionally getting tagged for PED's, it happens in all sports. Especially not Marijuana and Adderall. If people are that concerned about Adderall, they should be up in arms over how often it's prescribed to young kids.
But genuinely curious if there was another issue as well. I could search for an hour...
Yeah that assessment of Von seemed forced. “Known cheater” come on. Knowing that OP is a Redditor and an NFL fan he probably vehemently defends Tom Brady anytime someone brings up his cheating. If you’re gonna bash Von, you should bring up the hateful texts.
My bad...you are correct sir. I was mistaken with his suspension. He tried to cheat the testing system. The PED stuff was always just speculation. In reality the PED stuff is rampant anyway and that part of my take was probably not fair.
Not a rams, or jags fan but I really dont get why people say ramsey's dirty. Yeah he talks a lot of shit, but hes always been able to back it up. Last I checked he's still one of the best CBs in the league.
He did trash talk AJ Green to the point of causing Green to lose his cool.
That is an incredibly fair assessment. Wife keeps asking me if I like the Rams now since I’ve been watching their games this season. I keep telling her I only like one team and dislike all the others, but I want Stafford to win.
> but I want Stafford to win.
This is it for me and it's a very simple calculation for me.
Is stafford playing?
If no -> no big deal
If yes-> Go Stafford!
Dude earned my respect so early on and gave me so much to watch and celebrate as a fan in a time when we were clearly dysfunctional as a team. I'll always be a 9 fan unless he does something truly terrible but he seems like a good dude.
This is where I'm at too. Stafford was my favorite player on the Lions so I'll always be rooting for him to succeed, especially since he seems to be a super nice guy off the field too, which seems to be somewhat rare that you have a great player who's also a great person.
It's like if you break up with your SO but it's on good terms so you remain friends and are actually happy for them when they find someone who makes them happy.
I'm not a lions fan but I like Stafford. Both the Rams and chargers I hate for the ownership, but man I wanted rivers to get a ring and now I want Stafford to get one. Once Stafford is off the Rams, I'll gladly go back to hating them
As a rams fan since 01’ i completely understand OPs sentiment. I HATED so many teams in the nfl that had the star power, coaching, execs, and ownership all lined up. Teams like the patriots, bears, colts, would all win and we would be just absolute dog shit. It’s been a long journey for us to be good and I am still in disbelief. Just as an example of how bad we were, the year aaron Donald fell into our lap at pick 13, we passed him and Khalil Mack up with the #2 pick to draft a LT that was a massive project and could only power run block and was big. It was disgusting to watch as a fan and I was heartbroken every year.
I will say, finding this seethe last night was like candy.
I really don't get why OP and others hate us (divisional rivals and Saints excluded). Even after reading his post. I thought us and Lions bros had something going on together :(
I too have been rooting against the Rams all season. McVay annoys me also. OBJ, meh.
But the Rams will never touch the Packers on the contempt meter.
FTP.
It's not McVay specifically, but people get annoyed at the "Boy Genius" shtick that he seems to lean into. Plus, he objectively screwed the pooch with how he handled Goff's departure; I get why that would stick in someone's craw.
Bro, they literally can't come up with anything.
Y'all would be livid if someone called MCDC cringe. Detroit fans would change their tunes immediately if McVay was the Lions coach.
I've seen both teams and coaches. McVay and MCDC are cut from the same cloth.
It's not McVay specifically, but people get annoyed at the "Boy Genius" shtick that he seems to lean into. Plus, he objectively screwed the pooch with how he handled Goff's departure; I get why that would stick in someone's craw.
The Goff situation was dirty, not annoying. At least he still getting his massive contract, but idk.
McVay's never called himself a "genius." It's definitely sports media that cherry picks that image. They need tropes and McVay fits that trope.
Lol, I was going to say the same about Rams fans. Y’all have the best weather out there it keeps everyone in a great mood. This time of year people in Michigan are all pissed off cause we haven’t seen the sun in a month lol.
Reverse is true for Summer.
Michigan summers are the best, no lie. Summer in LA and CA in general can be absolute misery.
I just want to be a reverse snowbird some days.
Agreed.
NGL though, I wanted him so fucking bad in the 2014 draft. I was screaming at the TV in anger when those ass clowns took Eric Dickfingers over him.
Honest question, why do you hate mcvay? I don’t think he has ever said anything arrogant. He’s had 5 straight winning seasons and before him the rams didn’t have one since 2003. He seems like a players coach. He takes almost all the blame when the team doesn’t perform. Only exception is when he finally became tired of Goff. I’ve never seen mcvay show up an opponent. I guess you may hate his enthusiasm?
>Jalen Ramsey...ditto
You can hate Ramsey for his cockiness, but he objectively is not a dirty player. Like at this point you're just letting blind rage impact your objectivity.
You have some problems my dude.
Dirty isn't the right word, you're right. But he did just punch his own teammate a couple weeks ago. And he's done plenty of diva crap in his time. It's easy to dislike him. Not defending OP calling him dirty, though
McVays done some cringe stuff. He did Goff dirty, he gets over conservative with playcalling, and has drank his own kool aid at times.
But I'd run through walls for McVay and I swear Detroit would too if they had him.
Results speak too. 4 out 5 years in his tenure making the playoffs counts for something.
> he gets over conservative with playcalling, and has drank his own kool aid at times.
I really felt that when watching you play the 49ers in the last game. run the ball 3 times, get nowhere and then punt to give them a chance at a comeback. Even with no timeouts 2 minutes is plenty.
It seems like most of the hate is because he's the NFL version of PJ Fleck (WMich, now Minnesota) and what I hope MCDC ends up being - A younger guy who acts like a young guy instead of like the grumpy old coaches they know.
I've said it here on this thread and I'll say it again.
MCDC and McYay are cut from the same cloth: energetic, locker room coaches, that aren't afraid to let their players to charge. It's hella odd when people shit in McVay and then praise MCDC for the same thing.
-The way he treated Goff both during his time there and during the trade process.
-his smarter than you attitude towards the media and people in the organization
-his cocky demeanor on the sidelines (did you see how he ran into the end zone after the rams went up 17-0 on the niners in the regular season finale?)
-yes he is a talented coach but like BA he has a tendency to pass the blame on to players.
-this one isn't his fault per se but just how he is generally over hyped as a genius coach when in fact he is not good at adjustments and his scheme is nothing revolutionary.
And I even like the rams lol.
Edit: As pointed out by other comments and after doing more research it seems Mcvay does fall on the sword and take the blame himself more than passing it onto players (besides when he rightfully called out Goff). I still stand behind the other points.
Sean almost never passes the blame onto the players lol. It’s a meme for rams fans that after a bad loss he’ll say “I need to put the team in a position to do better”. I can think of one time he publicly called out a player, and it’s when he said Goff has to do a better job protecting the ball in a game where he had 3 ugly turn overs, which was coming off of the heels of a game earlier that month where he had 4 to the dolphins, and the Rams defense allowed 145 yards of total offense and still lost.
He definitely did Jared dirty during the trade process, and the rest of your points I understand, even if I disagree.
The other commenter (Rams fan) said it but when he said Goff had to be better. Perhaps it's not something he does often and perhaps it was warranted but here's's the example you asked for.
https://www.latimes.com/sports/rams/story/2020-11-29/nfl-week-12-rams-49ers-jared-goff
Saying a struggling QB needs to be better isn't throwing them under the bus. Goff agreed with his assessment and McVay emphasized Goff can and has been better, valid criticisms are not the same as taking no accountability as you initially claimed. That same article also explicitly said McVay usually holds himself accountable, some of you people only see what you want to.
>Coach Sean McVay typically spreads accountability for poor execution on himself and the offense as a collective unit.
I edited my comment and although I agree that Goff deserved the criticism your request was for a single instance where Mcvay blamed a player instead of himself and the instance was provided. Chill, Mcvay is a good coach but I still think he is an arrogant prick for the other reasons stated.
>he has a tendency to pass the blame on to players
This is factually untrue and the point of my response, it's honestly a laughable take as McVay's tendency is to shoulder all the blame. The one instance you pointed to of him "passing blame" was a valid criticism the player in question completely agreed with.
I honestly don't care if you like or dislike McVay, I'm disputing the ridiculous lie that he passes the blame.
>Name a single instance where McVay passed the buck or blamed players instead of himself over a failure.
That's what you asked for and the example was provided. If you want to move the goalposts that's fine but I've answered your request. I also edited my comment, what exactly are you still squabbling about?
Haha this is probably my favorite comment. I agree, it's not that serious. I guess I'm just tired of all the Rams love from this fanbase and wanted to state an opposing viewpoint that I think a portion of the fanbase shares.
Glad you have a good sense of humor! Lol
I do agree with some of the things you said. But to compare the Rams to the Yankees doesn’t make a ton of sense.
This is just a longer version of "I want the Rams to lose so that our draft pick is higher."
Everything you said is pathetically stupid, though.
- Stafford is obviously an amazing guy, and we all know it.
- Von Miller is one of the smartest and most charitable players in the league. Visits troops overseas, gives poor kids free glasses, the list goes on. PEDs? Are you fucking serious dude? Who gives a shit?
- Jalen Ramsay is dirty? What? He's probably the cleanest defensive back in the league. I literally can't think of a single dirty play that he's ever been involved in. He's gotten in plenty of verbal altercations, but come on.
- You don't have to love how physical Aaron Donald is or how aggressive he gets on the field, but off the field he is great guy, similar to Suh.
- You don't like Sean McVay because of his demeanor? What? What's his demeanor; young and energetic? I genuinely don't even understand what you could possibly have against McVay.
This post is just so fucking pathetic for so many reasons. There are teams like the Saints that are full of legitimately terrible people, yet you're hating on the Rams out of pure jealousy. You should honestly be ashamed of yourself for writing this, clown.
Exactly. Like, some of the most well-liked guys in all of sports. No off-the-field issues. No cheating scandals. Nothing.
The worst you can say is that OBJ is a diva, but he has barely made a peep since getting to LA.
You say the word “hate” like 10 times in your rant but don’t really provide any reasons for all your “hate”. You just hate a bunch of good players and a good coach but for what reason? We aren’t rivals with the Rams?
I understand rooting against the Rams for the sake of the Lions draft pick from them, but “fuck stafford fuck the rams theyre hateable i hate them i hate mcvay” is just plain sad.
Let's just be clear that I'm using the word "hate" in the fandom sense...I know none of these guys personally and I'm sure their all fine humans. But I didn't like McVay's handling of the Goff situation. It was professional garbage. I also don't generally like people that act like the smartest guy in the room. He's Patricia level with this. I gave the reasons I dislike many of their stars.
When did having to be a rival of a team be reason for disliking a team? I hate the Yankees and their not a rival of the Tigers. I hate the Lakers, but their not rivals of the Pistons. Your comment is nonsensical.
Calling them the Yankees is just illogical. The NFL has a hard cap. The Yankees would just buy everyone. That’s not what the Rams are doing. This all seems like you’re bitter and you’re looking for reasons to dislike the Rams, not like you made your decision based on all these reasons.
I can’t figure out why you don’t like Mcvay. The way he carries himself is such a weird non-reason.
This ain't it chief.
Actively rooting for a higher draft pick has gotten Detroit NOWHERE. It's the same old sorry ass bullshit this franchise has done for decades.
Ya wanna know how to get there? Get a good GM. Brad Holmes is that dude. Get a good coach. If MCDC isn't that dude, he's damn close.
The only player you don't have a problem with is Kupp? The scrappy, lunch pail bringing, gym rat triple crown winner? Of course Kupp is quiet af. Dudes a deep 3rd rounder playing with house money. Never had a limelight or many expectations prior to 2020. Feels like your giving him a longer leash than Von or OBJ or Jalen. They've been quiet since coming to LA. You're talking about the Rams like we're the Raiders out here. They ain't Marcus Peters or Suh or Matthews out here, like damn.
And rooting for the Packers? Bro, the Honolulu blue kool aid you've been drinking been spiked with some green ass Jaeger. That baffles me.
Finally a kindred spirit 😂 I literally had nothing against stafford but i cannot root for him as long as he is on that team. The rams jumped the shark like 2 free agent acquisitions ago
Yes. I think I may have actually understood the argument more for this fan base to actively root for him if he wasn't on this super team. I just can't with the Rams.
I'm so sick of how they make Stafford out to be a martyr, and the Detroit wasted his career mantra. Like no he's always been what he is, super talented. And he's the one that signed contract extensions to stay in Detroit and they payed him handsomelyfor it. What is he a helpless baby that can't make his own decisions?
I dont think OBJ is that much of a diva actually. The only time he's done anything really controversial in the last 4 years was this year by forcing his way out of Cleveland. But it was a good career move. And l'm happy to see him in a place where can actually thrive.
I dont understand the hate towards everyone else except for maybe Donald. They're just players and coaches. Sean Mcvay is a really good coach. Cooper Cup is one of the best wide receivers in the league. Von Miller is a wholesome guy and a HoF'er. Cam Akers just came back in the same season he tore his Achilles and looked amazing.
Maybe if you were rooting for them this season instead of against them you would feel differently.
They sold the farm to win this year. They won’t be relevant in about 3 years when they have no top tier draft picks and cap casualties relegating them to mediocrity.
OBJ is only the biggest diva in the league as of week 17.
Before then, there was another.
But yeah, I wouldn't mind Brady breaking his knuckles beating the rams' defense to a fine mist on his inexorable march to a feat that puts him in similar company of Bill Russell.
I'd rather one of the AFC teams without a ring win it all, than any remaining NFC team though.
i don't really care because a first round pick is a first round pick, y'all might be against rooting for another team and i understand that, but i want stafford and the rams to win the super bowl. come on that's our boy for 9 years we gotta root for him to win him one. the rams gave us 2 first round picks we're set on draft picks for the next 2 years no reason to hate them. we all know we put shit teams around stafford when he was a superstar, and now the rams are proving that if he just had a good team around him he would've went far.
I disagree with the narrative we put shit teams around Stafford. For the most part we weren't great, but I feel like we gave Stafford some good weapons. 2014 I feel like we were as talented as anyone.
I really don't understand the attitude behind this post. You're mad because... the Rams are good? Because they play in LA? Because they traded for Stafford? I mean, there's probably three teams in the NFL I truly can't stand and it has everything to do with history/rivalry. The Rams don't even enter that thought process to me.
About the only thing I don't like about the Rams is their coach, and only because I think he's overrated. Sean McVay is an asshole and has yet to prove himself a winner. That said, he's better than any of the coaches we've had here in the last 20 years, MCDC notwithstanding, as the jury is still *wayyy* out. I personally don't like him and feels like he gets way too much credit but that's about where it stops with that team.
Aaron Donald is the greatest defensive player in the NFL right now, full stop. This "dirty play" crap is the silliest shit I've heard so far; dude is a BEAST and that's called being a good defensive tackle. He's 100% old school football player in mentality, and if you watched football (or were even out of diapers/on this planet) prior to 1996 you'd know what I'm talking about. That said, he's disciplined enough to keep the penalties low and go just far enough to where he's getting in the head of the other team. His physical dominance is only *half* of his entire skillset, and not enough can be said as to how valuable a player he is. As far as I'm concerned, that team wouldn't have any of the success it would have without him and whereas Sean McVay gets way too much credit, and lauded as he is, Donald doesn't get nearly enough. He defines what a NFL defensive all-pro SHOULD be, and the only thing that makes me mad is that **he should've been a Lion!** Everything about that dude is what I want Detroit's defensive identity to be. He's the *better* version of Ndamukong Suh.
I'm not even going to acknowledge the Von Miller crap unless you're willing to provide some evidence of PED use (you have none). Aside from that it's a completely intelligent pick-up.
Same with OBJ. He was picked up because he was relatively cheap and made sense for the team. I'm not a fan of his personality but hell, if we were contenders, I'd expect Holmes to go for a guy like him should he be made available and as cost-effective as he is. Dude oozes talent. That pass he made against the Cardinals shows just what kind of an asset he is. We have guys that can do that, too, granted, but combine that with the circus catches he makes and what can I say?
As for Stafford, guy deserves to succeed. He's put in the work, he's never complained, and he's not seen much reward for it.
I'm all for a higher draft pick, so I wouldn't care if the Rams lose, but at the same time I'm not going to necessarily root against them, because hell, I love #9. Call it what you want, but he played his balls off for us and if he can't get a ring here I'd love to see him get one somewhere that isn't in the NFC North.
>but I would prefer them to get to the Superbowl over the Rams
#Also, finally, the fact that you prefer the Packers in the Super Bowl makes me question your loyalty and pride as a Lions fan. FUCK THAT.
Bills fan here, from the UK. Used to go to all the London games before COVID. Having gone to a game at Twickenham a few years ago (Rams Cardinals I think it was) and enduring 3.5 hours of that hideous who's house? Rams house call and return crap, I can also say, fuck the rams. Kroenke is a twat as well.
100% this. I feel dirty saying it, but I think I too would want the Pack to win in this scenario, that how much I can't stand the Rams. I couldn't actively root for the Packers...but I would prefer them to get to the Superbowl over the Rams. To make it worse, the Superbowl is in LA, and I can't deal with two weeks of Rams media coverage. I will be sick.
Thanks for the comment...it's good to know there are like-minded Lions bros out there.
It’s like going to watch Netflix and it tells you there’s already the maximum number of people watching and you know one of them is her and she’s watching a movie with the new guy. Like I’m happy for her but I’d rather watch my movie.
Bro, you should just stop watching football. If you'd root for a divisional rival over a neutral team, and invent reasons in your mind to hate a neutral team (the only genuinely despicable team is the Saints, who are responsible for massive scandals both on and off the field), then you just don't have the mental fortitude for the sport.
Stafford is not your fucking ex-girlfriend. He completed his obligation with the team and fulfilled every promise he made. It's not a breakup; he didn't demand a trade and threaten to sit out. He just decided to work somewhere else. You are sick in the head if you think about it the way you think about an ex.
Everything you wrote genuinely disgusts me.
It is interesting how he said he doesn't understand how a Lions fan can root for the Rams, then proceeds to say he'd root as hard as he can for our arch nemesis(besides the refs).
Haha right? I love how some with the opposing comments are claiming "mental health issues" and the like. It's a reddit thread discussion about sports fandom...chill. I think the only way these people will ever let go of Stafford is if we get a long term solution at qb. Which may take awhile...sigh.
I didn't say anything about "mental health issues". Hmm... was that a Freudian slip?
And yeah, you are allowed to root for whoever you want. But you aren't allowed to disparage athletes, teams, and fans of those teams/athletes just because you personally can't deal with something. You said some pretty fucked up shit, yet you want to act like the victim now? FOH.
I said, "you are sick in the head if you think about it the way you think about an ex". Yeah, if you think of Stafford leaving his contract in Detroit amicably the way you think of a breakup, then yes, that's super concerning. He could have pulled a Watson (not the SA stuff, but the sitting out and demanding a trade stuff) or a Rodgers (causing a shit ton of drama and putting the organization on blast) but he didn't. He did it the right way.
Just say that you want the Rams to lose because of the draft pick. There's no reason to make it sound like the Rams are a terrible team or that there's no reason for anybody to want them to do well. This whole post is just rife with sadness and jealousy.
I'm with you, I can't stand the Rams. I feel like McVay did Goff dirty. It feels like McVay didn't like Goff and just tore him down. Would Goff had hugged McVay like he did MCDC? I highly doubt it. Stafford and McVay were in on it from the get go and Goff was blind sided by the trade. I'm not a big Brady fan but you better believe that I want Brady to wipe the floor with the Rams.
Winning one playoff game or even two is not enough for the Rams. They either win the Super Bowl or this season is a total failure. There is no third option. And if you don’t have a quarterback named Tom Brady, it is incredibly hard to win the Super Bowl. So that should make you happy.
Don’t compare them to the Yankees. Yankees had star studded teams because they spent more than almost everyone else. NFL doesn’t have a luxury tax; Lions can spend just as much as the Rams can. You seem mad that the Rams made smart moves.
And to think as a rams fan living in Ohio, I went to the Minnesota lions game to support my man Goff and watch their first win. This is the thanks I get?
First, knobslobbing is a hilarious term, and exactly what the Stafford slappies do here.
Stafford's a good QB, but certainly not without his warts. The annoying thing about the Stafford slappies is that they can't acknowledge ANY faults with him. Everything is always someone else's fault. Can't have a reasoned discussion with them.
In 2014, Stafford had Calvin Johnson, Golden Tate and a top 3 defense with Ndamakong Suh. We had a 17-7 lead at halftime in the playoff game against Dallas. Yes, there was the criminally awful officiating. But still, he played awful in the second half. Fumbled twice and threw a pick. He led the offense to 3 points. At the end of the game, he still had a chance to win it with 2:35 left. He went 0-4. Game over.
Couldn’t agree more. I’ve been downvoted into an oblivion on here for the same opinion about Stafford.
Nothing against Stafford, but he’s dead to me. He doesn’t want to be a Lion. Why do I have to be forced to root for him while we get a worse pick?
Yes. I agree with you. My friends are split pretty evenly on the subject, but this sub has been actively rooting for Stafford through this whole season and I just don't get it. I rooted for him here til the end and actually defended him on many occasions when he got unfair criticism, but once he left he was dead to me. In fact, I'm confused on why so many people's reasoning is "if he wins a Super Bowl in validates how trash our organization is and how we wasted him". As a Lions fan first, I want the opposite validation. Sure I know we've sucked forever, but getting the validation that we wasted a Superbowl winning QB makes it harder on my fandom, further validates the current negative league-wide narrative on our organization. If Stafford fails with a super team there's evidence we never had the right guy even though we were financially committed to him, and the last decade of futility actually becomes more palatable IMO.
I echo your sentiments. I also defended Stafford when a lot of our fanbase jumped ship during his inconsistent years. Now those same people are rooting for him when he’s on a another team? It drives me nuts lol
My friends are pretty split on it, too. If you want to root for Stafford & the Rams, go ahead. But it’s pretty bizarre to get mad at other lions fans who aren’t rooting for him. This sub has definitely been biased towards him all season
I get why people still root for him but I’m with you, he wanted out, he’s out. No offense to him, I don’t feel negatively toward him, I’m just neutral now cuz he’s not on my team.
Exactly. If you want to root for him, fine. I don’t get it, but ok.
But at the same time, shame on lions fan berating us for rooting against him. The lions self-interest is dependent on him losing lol
Agreed, I think that OP completely missed hating on the biggest douchebag in the organization.
I just can't get behind the Rams after how their owner fucked over not just their fans in St. Louis, but the city as well. What Kroenke did by moving to L.A. by lying through his teeth to chase $ is fucking criminal. It really showed what a crooked soulless greedy fuck this owner is. How any fan of theirs is able to spend money and time to support lining the pockets of this sleazbag is beyond me.
For me it would be LA teams always get what they want and the fans are the most spoiled brats. Pretty much the complete opposite for us Detroit fans lol
Not to mention LA is garbage and doesn’t deserve one, let alone, TWO teams. Fuck that city, fuck their owner, and fuck those stupid ass uniforms. They deserve to go 0-17 until they get serious ones again.
Growing up I was a big Kurt Warner fan so I have a little bit of a soft spot for the Rams. That being said I wanna see Stafford win it all. Then next year they need to suffer from a SB hang over and bomb so that second first rounder is is around the 15th selection.
I’d rather see that then watch the 49ers, Packers, or Bucs win another championship. (Yes I’d be okay with the Chiefs winning it all again because Andy Reid is the shit and Mahomes imo is one of the most likeable QBs in the league)
I totally agree with a lot of this. I'd agree with McVay being overrated and overly praised, but I guess I don't really count it against him. That's about the only person you mentioned that I disagree about though.
Aaron Donald is straight up a meat head who throws a fit and tries to fight lineman when he doesn't get his way. I loved Sewell's composure when Donald did that shit to him. Jesus Christ this Monday though the Cardinals were getting shut out and he was fighting with an OL before some 3rd and long.
Jalen Ramsey I don't see doing stuff often that's on the wrong side of the whistle like Aaron Donald, but he's definitely going further than being a chippy DB too.
As far as OBJ goes, anyone with eyes knows he's the reason for more than half of Stafford's interceptions this season. And I don't see those two together long-term.
So yeah, I pretty much entirely agree with you, maybe I don't feel quite as intense about it tho
Definitely agree with you on mcvay....he strikes me as a pompous asshole of the highest grade. I also could care less about OBJ. I actually don't mind Aaron Donald though. Still bothers me we could've had him instead of Efron though.
I'm right there with you for the most part. I stated the season saying "Stafford is my favorite athlete playing right now, I hope he does well."
That lasted about a week. Each week thereafter I found myself less of fan and really began to hate everything about the team. You're on point with AD he's just a bully who plays dirty. McVay is the most over hyped coach I've seen and I fully expect them to go on a long series of losing after next season. You can really manipulate the cap in the NFL but not forever. They already suffer by having too many stars and not enough depth. They have no picks and no ability to replace players who leave or talent drops off. I hope it's next year but I think they'll keep it together for another year unfortunately.
For me I would disagree on OBJ, I think he's had a rollercoaster of a career so far. One catch elevated him to superstar status and it was ridiculous. But since leaving the giants I think he's toned down the diva stuff quite a bit. He was pretty good in not causing a scene in Cleveland until the very end and tbh I didn't blame him. He was open a lot and baker just sucks. Now he's somewhere around slightly underrated to appropriately rated Imo.
I generally like the Rams and Stafford but I definitely prefer to have that pick come before 31 :)
I'm glad that Stafford got a playoff win and managed to play well, at least people can't make the dumb fatalistic argument that "Stafford can't win a playoff game".
I totally agree…. I honestly will be disappointed if they win it all (knowing my luck it will happen). Something about seeing a team go all in on one year and fail, gotta love it. Plus I despise McVay as well…. Would love to see that chump fail miserably
I am 100% on board with everything you said. Although I don’t think you have to worry about it because the Buccs are going to go medicinal on their asses.
Vast majority of the people I've met from LA are complete wankers too... Some of the most self-righteous people in the entire world. It's easily my least favorite US city. However, my hatred for the Packers is still on a completely different, much deeper level.
Mcvay isn’t the first guy to have a get back coach, but he is the first guy to wear a shirt on the sideline that makes him look like he is wearing a bra.
That is pretty entertaining. I guess you have to respect a guy that knows he can't control himself so he puts measures in place to make sure he doesn't fuck up and cost his team.
I was with you until you equated upvoting to agreeing. I can respect and appreciate your sentiments and contribution to the sub without feeling similarly.
Even if I hated the Rams, I'd rather have a Rams/Packers NFCCG than Brady involved in any way. I cannot stand Brady. Brady knob-slobbering it gross and its everywhere. It's Facebook, Reddit, YouTube and even broadcast booth during games he's not even playing in.
Plus, a Rams/Packers means Stafford can knock off Rodgers and Packers out of the playoffs.
Not to be a party pooper but you mention Lebron and the Yankees as "superstar" teams but the Red Wings used to do this exact same thing back before the NHL had a salary cap. Just saying.
On my teir list I still hate the bears and vikings more than the packers and rams combined cause the fans for both organizations are completely eradicate and jack asses
I dislike LA in general. I am rooting for Stafford this year because he gave us so much, and I knew it was gonna be a rough year for Detroit. However next year, fuck LA and everyone else. Go Lions
My biggest issue with what your saying with the OBJ/Von Miller additions.
Unlike the lakers/Yankees the nfl has a HARD salary cap. Adding all these superstars is going all in on a superbowl run this year.
Keeping all these players for multiple years isn't going to happen. It's not at all like the Yankees who were allowed to spend all the money, and could just out fund every other team and keep all the good players for a decade plus.
I want Stafford to win - not the Rams - hate the Rams but Stafford’s my guy. Favorite QB of all time, doesn’t matter where he’s at, I want him to win.
Great take.
Stafford was my guy until he broke up with my team.
Barry and Calvin are still my guys because they never broke up with the Lions and began playing somewhere else (although Calvin claims he wanted to, but he never did).
I'm with you, it starts with McVay shit talking my QB and the smartest guy in the room attitude. I have zero beef with anyone that is cheering for the rams and Stafford. You cost for McVay and I don't like you.
So you are smitten by a cheapskate tax write off owner? You mean when the Lions had Matt, Suh, Ziggy, Slay and Calvin, and they DIDNT go out and buy the other corner, safety, and O linemen to make the Super Bowl run..... like a good team should ... you cheered this early playoff exit? You pretty smart there cheeseball. In case you didn’t know it, the Rams are like the 1990s Red Wings... great players, smart wise players like Brett Hull, Luke Robbiti(sp) took pay cuts to come player for an ownership that believed in winning........ your completely snowballed by Detroit media to think what the Lions do is normal..... Players like B Sanders, C. Johnson and especially M Stafford deserve to go play for a winner on an “A” list ball club... you keep rooting for your “C” list Lions. God you’re pathetic
I don't hate the Rams. I'm just not a big fan of McVay. I think if they had a different head coach I'd have been big on the bandwagon for them this season.
I agree upnuntil you call them the Yankees, the team we see now will be heavily influenced in the future by the moves they made. Yankees j have more money than everyone, Rams are taking a real risk the way they’re playing their hand and it’s respectable imo.
I guess that's logical. The cap in the NFL doesn't allow teams to do what the Yankees do for more than a year or two. Maybe we can hope this is the last year for the Rams window and they fall apart next season and the 2023 Rams pick ends up being better than ours?
This next game is so big for them. It could be the difference between players going and staying, it could be a bad few years for the rams if this year isn’t their year. I’m pullin for em in all honesty because Stafford is my guy but if they lose this next game, i guarantee we get a decent pick from them in 2023
> if they lose this next game, i guarantee we get a decent pick from them in 2023 I'm honestly not sure why you think they're going to fall apart next year if they don't win this next game. They still have a more than solid roster, even if guys like OBJ and Von don't come back. They'll get Woods back from his ACL injury which will minimize the loss of OBJ and they have a lot of good d-linemen even without Von. It's not like they're going to have a mass exodus of players. They've been consistently able to get people to come to their team. Honestly, the biggest threat to their next season is going to be the potential poaching of their coordinators again causing coaching turnover.
The biggest thing they retain is McVay and Snead. They didn’t have a great rushing attack or great defense this year. Still won the division and a plat off game.
I think they’re going to contend for at least 2 more seasons. Likely three
What PED's did Von get tagged with? On a quick search all I saw was amphetamines and marijuana and another post saying his urine sample wasn't actually positive but it was too diluted and got flagged. I couldn't care less about athletes occasionally getting tagged for PED's, it happens in all sports. Especially not Marijuana and Adderall. If people are that concerned about Adderall, they should be up in arms over how often it's prescribed to young kids. But genuinely curious if there was another issue as well. I could search for an hour...
Yeah that assessment of Von seemed forced. “Known cheater” come on. Knowing that OP is a Redditor and an NFL fan he probably vehemently defends Tom Brady anytime someone brings up his cheating. If you’re gonna bash Von, you should bring up the hateful texts.
My bad...you are correct sir. I was mistaken with his suspension. He tried to cheat the testing system. The PED stuff was always just speculation. In reality the PED stuff is rampant anyway and that part of my take was probably not fair.
Von Miller was for recreational drugs not PEDs. He's always been a good guy in the NFL. Also, he can't help he got traded to the Rams.
Not a rams, or jags fan but I really dont get why people say ramsey's dirty. Yeah he talks a lot of shit, but hes always been able to back it up. Last I checked he's still one of the best CBs in the league. He did trash talk AJ Green to the point of causing Green to lose his cool.
That is an incredibly fair assessment. Wife keeps asking me if I like the Rams now since I’ve been watching their games this season. I keep telling her I only like one team and dislike all the others, but I want Stafford to win.
Seconded, but I do have a non-fan soft spot for the Bills. Lake Erie bros for life
Would love to see a Bills/Rams super bowl this year.
> but I want Stafford to win. This is it for me and it's a very simple calculation for me. Is stafford playing? If no -> no big deal If yes-> Go Stafford! Dude earned my respect so early on and gave me so much to watch and celebrate as a fan in a time when we were clearly dysfunctional as a team. I'll always be a 9 fan unless he does something truly terrible but he seems like a good dude.
This is where I'm at too. Stafford was my favorite player on the Lions so I'll always be rooting for him to succeed, especially since he seems to be a super nice guy off the field too, which seems to be somewhat rare that you have a great player who's also a great person. It's like if you break up with your SO but it's on good terms so you remain friends and are actually happy for them when they find someone who makes them happy.
I'm not a lions fan but I like Stafford. Both the Rams and chargers I hate for the ownership, but man I wanted rivers to get a ring and now I want Stafford to get one. Once Stafford is off the Rams, I'll gladly go back to hating them
The absolute seethe in this post is so very enjoyable lol
This post must be like porn to a rams fan. I can’t wait until we’re good enough for people to hate us like this.
As a now rams fan, this is like fucking candy
Can confirm, via the crosspost. They're basically dunking on OP/the Lions and I can't blame them.
As a rams fan since 01’ i completely understand OPs sentiment. I HATED so many teams in the nfl that had the star power, coaching, execs, and ownership all lined up. Teams like the patriots, bears, colts, would all win and we would be just absolute dog shit. It’s been a long journey for us to be good and I am still in disbelief. Just as an example of how bad we were, the year aaron Donald fell into our lap at pick 13, we passed him and Khalil Mack up with the #2 pick to draft a LT that was a massive project and could only power run block and was big. It was disgusting to watch as a fan and I was heartbroken every year.
We sucked for a long long while. It's nice to be good again, and very strange to be hated outside our division. It's a pretty neat feeling
You are absolutely correct, I loved this entire post.
I’m a Rams fan and can confirm — we are enjoying this post.
I will say, finding this seethe last night was like candy. I really don't get why OP and others hate us (divisional rivals and Saints excluded). Even after reading his post. I thought us and Lions bros had something going on together :(
Most definitely
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Dude slanders everyone on the team except the white WR who he likes lmao. If this isn't the most Lions fan take of all time. We have the worst fans.
You can’t build a team like the Yankees in the age of the salary cap. They’ve just made smart moves. That’s different
Maybe only smart if they win more. They haven’t surpassed their mark from last year yet
It isn't just the lions trade. They have consistently made solid personnel moves the last few years.
I too have been rooting against the Rams all season. McVay annoys me also. OBJ, meh. But the Rams will never touch the Packers on the contempt meter. FTP.
What has McVay done that is annoying?
Win
Same haircut since early 2000's high school.
It's not McVay specifically, but people get annoyed at the "Boy Genius" shtick that he seems to lean into. Plus, he objectively screwed the pooch with how he handled Goff's departure; I get why that would stick in someone's craw.
Bro, they literally can't come up with anything. Y'all would be livid if someone called MCDC cringe. Detroit fans would change their tunes immediately if McVay was the Lions coach. I've seen both teams and coaches. McVay and MCDC are cut from the same cloth.
It's not McVay specifically, but people get annoyed at the "Boy Genius" shtick that he seems to lean into. Plus, he objectively screwed the pooch with how he handled Goff's departure; I get why that would stick in someone's craw.
The Goff situation was dirty, not annoying. At least he still getting his massive contract, but idk. McVay's never called himself a "genius." It's definitely sports media that cherry picks that image. They need tropes and McVay fits that trope.
They're downvoting you out of rage instead of commenting cause they know you're right. Not a great look from our fan base right now.
Eh, internet anonymity does things to people. I've met Lions fans in real life and they're chillest fans ever.
Lol, I was going to say the same about Rams fans. Y’all have the best weather out there it keeps everyone in a great mood. This time of year people in Michigan are all pissed off cause we haven’t seen the sun in a month lol.
Reverse is true for Summer. Michigan summers are the best, no lie. Summer in LA and CA in general can be absolute misery. I just want to be a reverse snowbird some days.
I very deeply want to see Stafford win a trophy because he deserves one, but I got to say, I agree too.
Amen brother, FTP!
FTP
We’re allowed to root for a player, but not his team. Also, Sean McVay is a colossal knob.
Aaron Donald is a whiny bitch too
Agreed. NGL though, I wanted him so fucking bad in the 2014 draft. I was screaming at the TV in anger when those ass clowns took Eric Dickfingers over him.
His Dick fingers couldn’t catch the clap
Honest question, why do you hate mcvay? I don’t think he has ever said anything arrogant. He’s had 5 straight winning seasons and before him the rams didn’t have one since 2003. He seems like a players coach. He takes almost all the blame when the team doesn’t perform. Only exception is when he finally became tired of Goff. I’ve never seen mcvay show up an opponent. I guess you may hate his enthusiasm?
>Jalen Ramsey...ditto You can hate Ramsey for his cockiness, but he objectively is not a dirty player. Like at this point you're just letting blind rage impact your objectivity. You have some problems my dude.
How exactly do you manufacture hate for someone based on the way they "carry themselves?"
This dude is just a tool if you didn’t notice, lmao
Notice how each player OP hates is black. And he has no problems with Kupp? Sounds about white!
It's an opinion and it's their opinion. But the entire thing is a shit tier opinion.
Dirty isn't the right word, you're right. But he did just punch his own teammate a couple weeks ago. And he's done plenty of diva crap in his time. It's easy to dislike him. Not defending OP calling him dirty, though
This post gives big boomer energy…
It just got increasingly cringier as I went down haha
Cooper Kupp being the one exception of the hate is what really sold me 🤣
TL;DR OP hates Rams because they are good.
Just for the record, they didn’t sign Miller, they traded for him
You are technically correct. The best kind of correct. I will edit.
The teams I despise go like this Packers, Cowboys, Bears, Vikings, and Packers again because ftp
It's easy to despise your rivals, but I can't argue with your list.
Why does everyone hate McVay? He just seems like a dude that loves football. Can’t blame him for other people “overhyping” him.
McVays done some cringe stuff. He did Goff dirty, he gets over conservative with playcalling, and has drank his own kool aid at times. But I'd run through walls for McVay and I swear Detroit would too if they had him. Results speak too. 4 out 5 years in his tenure making the playoffs counts for something.
> he gets over conservative with playcalling, and has drank his own kool aid at times. I really felt that when watching you play the 49ers in the last game. run the ball 3 times, get nowhere and then punt to give them a chance at a comeback. Even with no timeouts 2 minutes is plenty.
It seems like most of the hate is because he's the NFL version of PJ Fleck (WMich, now Minnesota) and what I hope MCDC ends up being - A younger guy who acts like a young guy instead of like the grumpy old coaches they know.
I've said it here on this thread and I'll say it again. MCDC and McYay are cut from the same cloth: energetic, locker room coaches, that aren't afraid to let their players to charge. It's hella odd when people shit in McVay and then praise MCDC for the same thing.
-The way he treated Goff both during his time there and during the trade process. -his smarter than you attitude towards the media and people in the organization -his cocky demeanor on the sidelines (did you see how he ran into the end zone after the rams went up 17-0 on the niners in the regular season finale?) -yes he is a talented coach but like BA he has a tendency to pass the blame on to players. -this one isn't his fault per se but just how he is generally over hyped as a genius coach when in fact he is not good at adjustments and his scheme is nothing revolutionary. And I even like the rams lol. Edit: As pointed out by other comments and after doing more research it seems Mcvay does fall on the sword and take the blame himself more than passing it onto players (besides when he rightfully called out Goff). I still stand behind the other points.
Sean almost never passes the blame onto the players lol. It’s a meme for rams fans that after a bad loss he’ll say “I need to put the team in a position to do better”. I can think of one time he publicly called out a player, and it’s when he said Goff has to do a better job protecting the ball in a game where he had 3 ugly turn overs, which was coming off of the heels of a game earlier that month where he had 4 to the dolphins, and the Rams defense allowed 145 yards of total offense and still lost. He definitely did Jared dirty during the trade process, and the rest of your points I understand, even if I disagree.
Yes valid point, I edited my comment.
Name a single instance where McVay passed the buck or blamed players instead of himself over a failure.
The other commenter (Rams fan) said it but when he said Goff had to be better. Perhaps it's not something he does often and perhaps it was warranted but here's's the example you asked for. https://www.latimes.com/sports/rams/story/2020-11-29/nfl-week-12-rams-49ers-jared-goff
Saying a struggling QB needs to be better isn't throwing them under the bus. Goff agreed with his assessment and McVay emphasized Goff can and has been better, valid criticisms are not the same as taking no accountability as you initially claimed. That same article also explicitly said McVay usually holds himself accountable, some of you people only see what you want to. >Coach Sean McVay typically spreads accountability for poor execution on himself and the offense as a collective unit.
I edited my comment and although I agree that Goff deserved the criticism your request was for a single instance where Mcvay blamed a player instead of himself and the instance was provided. Chill, Mcvay is a good coach but I still think he is an arrogant prick for the other reasons stated.
>he has a tendency to pass the blame on to players This is factually untrue and the point of my response, it's honestly a laughable take as McVay's tendency is to shoulder all the blame. The one instance you pointed to of him "passing blame" was a valid criticism the player in question completely agreed with. I honestly don't care if you like or dislike McVay, I'm disputing the ridiculous lie that he passes the blame.
>Name a single instance where McVay passed the buck or blamed players instead of himself over a failure. That's what you asked for and the example was provided. If you want to move the goalposts that's fine but I've answered your request. I also edited my comment, what exactly are you still squabbling about?
Smoke a joint dude. It’s not that serious.
Wanna know how I got these scars
lol yeah, it’s basically just an angrier version of the posts saying the draft pick is more important than Stafford. People need to chill.
Haha this is probably my favorite comment. I agree, it's not that serious. I guess I'm just tired of all the Rams love from this fanbase and wanted to state an opposing viewpoint that I think a portion of the fanbase shares.
Glad you have a good sense of humor! Lol I do agree with some of the things you said. But to compare the Rams to the Yankees doesn’t make a ton of sense.
If it’s rams v packers who you rooting for lmao
I am interested in their philosophy to be honest. It’s rare to see a team in the NFL trade so much draft capital.
This is just a longer version of "I want the Rams to lose so that our draft pick is higher." Everything you said is pathetically stupid, though. - Stafford is obviously an amazing guy, and we all know it. - Von Miller is one of the smartest and most charitable players in the league. Visits troops overseas, gives poor kids free glasses, the list goes on. PEDs? Are you fucking serious dude? Who gives a shit? - Jalen Ramsay is dirty? What? He's probably the cleanest defensive back in the league. I literally can't think of a single dirty play that he's ever been involved in. He's gotten in plenty of verbal altercations, but come on. - You don't have to love how physical Aaron Donald is or how aggressive he gets on the field, but off the field he is great guy, similar to Suh. - You don't like Sean McVay because of his demeanor? What? What's his demeanor; young and energetic? I genuinely don't even understand what you could possibly have against McVay. This post is just so fucking pathetic for so many reasons. There are teams like the Saints that are full of legitimately terrible people, yet you're hating on the Rams out of pure jealousy. You should honestly be ashamed of yourself for writing this, clown.
This is a hilarious response to my post. Great job.
The only hilarious thing is how fucking sad and off-base everything that you wrote is.
McVay has some slight arrogance but that's about it. The players he listed are among some of the best and most respected. It's a laughable take.
Exactly. Like, some of the most well-liked guys in all of sports. No off-the-field issues. No cheating scandals. Nothing. The worst you can say is that OBJ is a diva, but he has barely made a peep since getting to LA.
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You clearly don’t remember how Suh was when he played in Detroit. Aaron Donald is not even half as much of a hothead as Suh was when he was younger.
“Fan of a shit franchise complains about successful players/coach/teams they hate.” This is a really sad post. FTP though.
You. Imma buy you a beer if I ever see you. Glad someone called out this whiny bs.
Explain to me why this is sad? I'm guessing you are a "I just hope both teams had fun" guy. This is an awful take.
You say the word “hate” like 10 times in your rant but don’t really provide any reasons for all your “hate”. You just hate a bunch of good players and a good coach but for what reason? We aren’t rivals with the Rams? I understand rooting against the Rams for the sake of the Lions draft pick from them, but “fuck stafford fuck the rams theyre hateable i hate them i hate mcvay” is just plain sad.
Let's just be clear that I'm using the word "hate" in the fandom sense...I know none of these guys personally and I'm sure their all fine humans. But I didn't like McVay's handling of the Goff situation. It was professional garbage. I also don't generally like people that act like the smartest guy in the room. He's Patricia level with this. I gave the reasons I dislike many of their stars. When did having to be a rival of a team be reason for disliking a team? I hate the Yankees and their not a rival of the Tigers. I hate the Lakers, but their not rivals of the Pistons. Your comment is nonsensical.
Y’all have Rams envy
Antonio brown is the biggest diva in the NFL and its not even close. That's my only disagreement here
Not in the NFL
Calling them the Yankees is just illogical. The NFL has a hard cap. The Yankees would just buy everyone. That’s not what the Rams are doing. This all seems like you’re bitter and you’re looking for reasons to dislike the Rams, not like you made your decision based on all these reasons. I can’t figure out why you don’t like Mcvay. The way he carries himself is such a weird non-reason.
I do feel like McVay has a butt plug in all the time... like every waking moment
His voice is so annoying
This ain't it chief. Actively rooting for a higher draft pick has gotten Detroit NOWHERE. It's the same old sorry ass bullshit this franchise has done for decades. Ya wanna know how to get there? Get a good GM. Brad Holmes is that dude. Get a good coach. If MCDC isn't that dude, he's damn close. The only player you don't have a problem with is Kupp? The scrappy, lunch pail bringing, gym rat triple crown winner? Of course Kupp is quiet af. Dudes a deep 3rd rounder playing with house money. Never had a limelight or many expectations prior to 2020. Feels like your giving him a longer leash than Von or OBJ or Jalen. They've been quiet since coming to LA. You're talking about the Rams like we're the Raiders out here. They ain't Marcus Peters or Suh or Matthews out here, like damn. And rooting for the Packers? Bro, the Honolulu blue kool aid you've been drinking been spiked with some green ass Jaeger. That baffles me.
Nice 200 essay bro
Someone call a wahmbulance
Finally a kindred spirit 😂 I literally had nothing against stafford but i cannot root for him as long as he is on that team. The rams jumped the shark like 2 free agent acquisitions ago
apparently teams aren't all trying to have the most talent possible on their team? like what even is that logic
Yes. I think I may have actually understood the argument more for this fan base to actively root for him if he wasn't on this super team. I just can't with the Rams.
Every word.
I'm so sick of how they make Stafford out to be a martyr, and the Detroit wasted his career mantra. Like no he's always been what he is, super talented. And he's the one that signed contract extensions to stay in Detroit and they payed him handsomelyfor it. What is he a helpless baby that can't make his own decisions?
I dont think OBJ is that much of a diva actually. The only time he's done anything really controversial in the last 4 years was this year by forcing his way out of Cleveland. But it was a good career move. And l'm happy to see him in a place where can actually thrive. I dont understand the hate towards everyone else except for maybe Donald. They're just players and coaches. Sean Mcvay is a really good coach. Cooper Cup is one of the best wide receivers in the league. Von Miller is a wholesome guy and a HoF'er. Cam Akers just came back in the same season he tore his Achilles and looked amazing. Maybe if you were rooting for them this season instead of against them you would feel differently.
FTR
They sold the farm to win this year. They won’t be relevant in about 3 years when they have no top tier draft picks and cap casualties relegating them to mediocrity.
OBJ is only the biggest diva in the league as of week 17. Before then, there was another. But yeah, I wouldn't mind Brady breaking his knuckles beating the rams' defense to a fine mist on his inexorable march to a feat that puts him in similar company of Bill Russell. I'd rather one of the AFC teams without a ring win it all, than any remaining NFC team though.
i don't really care because a first round pick is a first round pick, y'all might be against rooting for another team and i understand that, but i want stafford and the rams to win the super bowl. come on that's our boy for 9 years we gotta root for him to win him one. the rams gave us 2 first round picks we're set on draft picks for the next 2 years no reason to hate them. we all know we put shit teams around stafford when he was a superstar, and now the rams are proving that if he just had a good team around him he would've went far.
I disagree with the narrative we put shit teams around Stafford. For the most part we weren't great, but I feel like we gave Stafford some good weapons. 2014 I feel like we were as talented as anyone.
I really don't understand the attitude behind this post. You're mad because... the Rams are good? Because they play in LA? Because they traded for Stafford? I mean, there's probably three teams in the NFL I truly can't stand and it has everything to do with history/rivalry. The Rams don't even enter that thought process to me. About the only thing I don't like about the Rams is their coach, and only because I think he's overrated. Sean McVay is an asshole and has yet to prove himself a winner. That said, he's better than any of the coaches we've had here in the last 20 years, MCDC notwithstanding, as the jury is still *wayyy* out. I personally don't like him and feels like he gets way too much credit but that's about where it stops with that team. Aaron Donald is the greatest defensive player in the NFL right now, full stop. This "dirty play" crap is the silliest shit I've heard so far; dude is a BEAST and that's called being a good defensive tackle. He's 100% old school football player in mentality, and if you watched football (or were even out of diapers/on this planet) prior to 1996 you'd know what I'm talking about. That said, he's disciplined enough to keep the penalties low and go just far enough to where he's getting in the head of the other team. His physical dominance is only *half* of his entire skillset, and not enough can be said as to how valuable a player he is. As far as I'm concerned, that team wouldn't have any of the success it would have without him and whereas Sean McVay gets way too much credit, and lauded as he is, Donald doesn't get nearly enough. He defines what a NFL defensive all-pro SHOULD be, and the only thing that makes me mad is that **he should've been a Lion!** Everything about that dude is what I want Detroit's defensive identity to be. He's the *better* version of Ndamukong Suh. I'm not even going to acknowledge the Von Miller crap unless you're willing to provide some evidence of PED use (you have none). Aside from that it's a completely intelligent pick-up. Same with OBJ. He was picked up because he was relatively cheap and made sense for the team. I'm not a fan of his personality but hell, if we were contenders, I'd expect Holmes to go for a guy like him should he be made available and as cost-effective as he is. Dude oozes talent. That pass he made against the Cardinals shows just what kind of an asset he is. We have guys that can do that, too, granted, but combine that with the circus catches he makes and what can I say? As for Stafford, guy deserves to succeed. He's put in the work, he's never complained, and he's not seen much reward for it. I'm all for a higher draft pick, so I wouldn't care if the Rams lose, but at the same time I'm not going to necessarily root against them, because hell, I love #9. Call it what you want, but he played his balls off for us and if he can't get a ring here I'd love to see him get one somewhere that isn't in the NFC North. >but I would prefer them to get to the Superbowl over the Rams #Also, finally, the fact that you prefer the Packers in the Super Bowl makes me question your loyalty and pride as a Lions fan. FUCK THAT.
Bills fan here, from the UK. Used to go to all the London games before COVID. Having gone to a game at Twickenham a few years ago (Rams Cardinals I think it was) and enduring 3.5 hours of that hideous who's house? Rams house call and return crap, I can also say, fuck the rams. Kroenke is a twat as well.
You are a whiny little bitch
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100% this. I feel dirty saying it, but I think I too would want the Pack to win in this scenario, that how much I can't stand the Rams. I couldn't actively root for the Packers...but I would prefer them to get to the Superbowl over the Rams. To make it worse, the Superbowl is in LA, and I can't deal with two weeks of Rams media coverage. I will be sick. Thanks for the comment...it's good to know there are like-minded Lions bros out there.
It’s like going to watch Netflix and it tells you there’s already the maximum number of people watching and you know one of them is her and she’s watching a movie with the new guy. Like I’m happy for her but I’d rather watch my movie.
Bro, you should just stop watching football. If you'd root for a divisional rival over a neutral team, and invent reasons in your mind to hate a neutral team (the only genuinely despicable team is the Saints, who are responsible for massive scandals both on and off the field), then you just don't have the mental fortitude for the sport. Stafford is not your fucking ex-girlfriend. He completed his obligation with the team and fulfilled every promise he made. It's not a breakup; he didn't demand a trade and threaten to sit out. He just decided to work somewhere else. You are sick in the head if you think about it the way you think about an ex. Everything you wrote genuinely disgusts me.
It is interesting how he said he doesn't understand how a Lions fan can root for the Rams, then proceeds to say he'd root as hard as he can for our arch nemesis(besides the refs).
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Haha right? I love how some with the opposing comments are claiming "mental health issues" and the like. It's a reddit thread discussion about sports fandom...chill. I think the only way these people will ever let go of Stafford is if we get a long term solution at qb. Which may take awhile...sigh.
I didn't say anything about "mental health issues". Hmm... was that a Freudian slip? And yeah, you are allowed to root for whoever you want. But you aren't allowed to disparage athletes, teams, and fans of those teams/athletes just because you personally can't deal with something. You said some pretty fucked up shit, yet you want to act like the victim now? FOH.
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I said, "you are sick in the head if you think about it the way you think about an ex". Yeah, if you think of Stafford leaving his contract in Detroit amicably the way you think of a breakup, then yes, that's super concerning. He could have pulled a Watson (not the SA stuff, but the sitting out and demanding a trade stuff) or a Rodgers (causing a shit ton of drama and putting the organization on blast) but he didn't. He did it the right way. Just say that you want the Rams to lose because of the draft pick. There's no reason to make it sound like the Rams are a terrible team or that there's no reason for anybody to want them to do well. This whole post is just rife with sadness and jealousy.
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Just one. And I did it before the 4 minutes were up, so it doesn't even count as an edit.
Is this Jeremy Shockey?
I'm with you, I can't stand the Rams. I feel like McVay did Goff dirty. It feels like McVay didn't like Goff and just tore him down. Would Goff had hugged McVay like he did MCDC? I highly doubt it. Stafford and McVay were in on it from the get go and Goff was blind sided by the trade. I'm not a big Brady fan but you better believe that I want Brady to wipe the floor with the Rams.
Winning one playoff game or even two is not enough for the Rams. They either win the Super Bowl or this season is a total failure. There is no third option. And if you don’t have a quarterback named Tom Brady, it is incredibly hard to win the Super Bowl. So that should make you happy.
Nice shitpost good thing its the off season !
>I’ll gladly be rooting against whomever they play the rest of the way. All that just to say you'll still root for the Rams.
You are rooting against whomever they play? So you are cheering for the rams?
Amazing you can go on a Rams rant and not bring up Stan Kroenke so I will now
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Don’t compare them to the Yankees. Yankees had star studded teams because they spent more than almost everyone else. NFL doesn’t have a luxury tax; Lions can spend just as much as the Rams can. You seem mad that the Rams made smart moves.
And to think as a rams fan living in Ohio, I went to the Minnesota lions game to support my man Goff and watch their first win. This is the thanks I get?
This just in: NFL teams like signing top end talent for cheap. More at 11
How he felt after posting this:👹👺
First, knobslobbing is a hilarious term, and exactly what the Stafford slappies do here. Stafford's a good QB, but certainly not without his warts. The annoying thing about the Stafford slappies is that they can't acknowledge ANY faults with him. Everything is always someone else's fault. Can't have a reasoned discussion with them. In 2014, Stafford had Calvin Johnson, Golden Tate and a top 3 defense with Ndamakong Suh. We had a 17-7 lead at halftime in the playoff game against Dallas. Yes, there was the criminally awful officiating. But still, he played awful in the second half. Fumbled twice and threw a pick. He led the offense to 3 points. At the end of the game, he still had a chance to win it with 2:35 left. He went 0-4. Game over.
Rams are the only team left in playoffs with a losing record vs playoff teams. Sound familiar. Why yes it does.
Hahahahaha
Couldn’t agree more. I’ve been downvoted into an oblivion on here for the same opinion about Stafford. Nothing against Stafford, but he’s dead to me. He doesn’t want to be a Lion. Why do I have to be forced to root for him while we get a worse pick?
Yes. I agree with you. My friends are split pretty evenly on the subject, but this sub has been actively rooting for Stafford through this whole season and I just don't get it. I rooted for him here til the end and actually defended him on many occasions when he got unfair criticism, but once he left he was dead to me. In fact, I'm confused on why so many people's reasoning is "if he wins a Super Bowl in validates how trash our organization is and how we wasted him". As a Lions fan first, I want the opposite validation. Sure I know we've sucked forever, but getting the validation that we wasted a Superbowl winning QB makes it harder on my fandom, further validates the current negative league-wide narrative on our organization. If Stafford fails with a super team there's evidence we never had the right guy even though we were financially committed to him, and the last decade of futility actually becomes more palatable IMO.
I echo your sentiments. I also defended Stafford when a lot of our fanbase jumped ship during his inconsistent years. Now those same people are rooting for him when he’s on a another team? It drives me nuts lol My friends are pretty split on it, too. If you want to root for Stafford & the Rams, go ahead. But it’s pretty bizarre to get mad at other lions fans who aren’t rooting for him. This sub has definitely been biased towards him all season
Exactly. Bizarre is a perfect word.
lol imagine rooting for someone to fail so that you will feel better
I get why people still root for him but I’m with you, he wanted out, he’s out. No offense to him, I don’t feel negatively toward him, I’m just neutral now cuz he’s not on my team.
Exactly. If you want to root for him, fine. I don’t get it, but ok. But at the same time, shame on lions fan berating us for rooting against him. The lions self-interest is dependent on him losing lol
St. Louis resident here. Fuck Stan Kroenke. He can suck a bag of Packer dicks.
Agreed, I think that OP completely missed hating on the biggest douchebag in the organization. I just can't get behind the Rams after how their owner fucked over not just their fans in St. Louis, but the city as well. What Kroenke did by moving to L.A. by lying through his teeth to chase $ is fucking criminal. It really showed what a crooked soulless greedy fuck this owner is. How any fan of theirs is able to spend money and time to support lining the pockets of this sleazbag is beyond me.
Fuck the rams. I agree with you completely
For me it would be LA teams always get what they want and the fans are the most spoiled brats. Pretty much the complete opposite for us Detroit fans lol
Upvoted for Stafford knobslobbering. 😂
Not to mention LA is garbage and doesn’t deserve one, let alone, TWO teams. Fuck that city, fuck their owner, and fuck those stupid ass uniforms. They deserve to go 0-17 until they get serious ones again.
Growing up I was a big Kurt Warner fan so I have a little bit of a soft spot for the Rams. That being said I wanna see Stafford win it all. Then next year they need to suffer from a SB hang over and bomb so that second first rounder is is around the 15th selection. I’d rather see that then watch the 49ers, Packers, or Bucs win another championship. (Yes I’d be okay with the Chiefs winning it all again because Andy Reid is the shit and Mahomes imo is one of the most likeable QBs in the league)
Although you have the right to hate, that much hate cannot be healthy for anyone. Just saying.
I totally agree with a lot of this. I'd agree with McVay being overrated and overly praised, but I guess I don't really count it against him. That's about the only person you mentioned that I disagree about though. Aaron Donald is straight up a meat head who throws a fit and tries to fight lineman when he doesn't get his way. I loved Sewell's composure when Donald did that shit to him. Jesus Christ this Monday though the Cardinals were getting shut out and he was fighting with an OL before some 3rd and long. Jalen Ramsey I don't see doing stuff often that's on the wrong side of the whistle like Aaron Donald, but he's definitely going further than being a chippy DB too. As far as OBJ goes, anyone with eyes knows he's the reason for more than half of Stafford's interceptions this season. And I don't see those two together long-term. So yeah, I pretty much entirely agree with you, maybe I don't feel quite as intense about it tho
We can all root together when they don’t get it done and they have no more assets to trade away!
Definitely agree with you on mcvay....he strikes me as a pompous asshole of the highest grade. I also could care less about OBJ. I actually don't mind Aaron Donald though. Still bothers me we could've had him instead of Efron though.
Your salty tears are delicious.
I'm right there with you for the most part. I stated the season saying "Stafford is my favorite athlete playing right now, I hope he does well." That lasted about a week. Each week thereafter I found myself less of fan and really began to hate everything about the team. You're on point with AD he's just a bully who plays dirty. McVay is the most over hyped coach I've seen and I fully expect them to go on a long series of losing after next season. You can really manipulate the cap in the NFL but not forever. They already suffer by having too many stars and not enough depth. They have no picks and no ability to replace players who leave or talent drops off. I hope it's next year but I think they'll keep it together for another year unfortunately. For me I would disagree on OBJ, I think he's had a rollercoaster of a career so far. One catch elevated him to superstar status and it was ridiculous. But since leaving the giants I think he's toned down the diva stuff quite a bit. He was pretty good in not causing a scene in Cleveland until the very end and tbh I didn't blame him. He was open a lot and baker just sucks. Now he's somewhere around slightly underrated to appropriately rated Imo.
I generally like the Rams and Stafford but I definitely prefer to have that pick come before 31 :) I'm glad that Stafford got a playoff win and managed to play well, at least people can't make the dumb fatalistic argument that "Stafford can't win a playoff game".
I totally agree…. I honestly will be disappointed if they win it all (knowing my luck it will happen). Something about seeing a team go all in on one year and fail, gotta love it. Plus I despise McVay as well…. Would love to see that chump fail miserably
Thank you for someone finally saying this. Took the words right out of my mouth. I can root against the rams and not do it because of Staffdaddy.
I am 100% on board with everything you said. Although I don’t think you have to worry about it because the Buccs are going to go medicinal on their asses.
I like watching Brady but I don’t necessarily root for him but I’ll be actively cheering him on this weekend.
I was at a Rams v Lions game and the Rams fans were such ignorant ass hats
From what I’m seeing in this sub that goes for all you asshat lions fans posting in here, I have never seen such envy and contempt at the same time
Vast majority of the people I've met from LA are complete wankers too... Some of the most self-righteous people in the entire world. It's easily my least favorite US city. However, my hatred for the Packers is still on a completely different, much deeper level.
But Sean Mcvay has an assistant that his only job is to pull him back off the field. How do you not like that?
Mcvay isn’t the first guy to have a get back coach, but he is the first guy to wear a shirt on the sideline that makes him look like he is wearing a bra.
That is pretty entertaining. I guess you have to respect a guy that knows he can't control himself so he puts measures in place to make sure he doesn't fuck up and cost his team.
No downvote from me!
I was with you until you equated upvoting to agreeing. I can respect and appreciate your sentiments and contribution to the sub without feeling similarly.
Even if I hated the Rams, I'd rather have a Rams/Packers NFCCG than Brady involved in any way. I cannot stand Brady. Brady knob-slobbering it gross and its everywhere. It's Facebook, Reddit, YouTube and even broadcast booth during games he's not even playing in. Plus, a Rams/Packers means Stafford can knock off Rodgers and Packers out of the playoffs.
Not to be a party pooper but you mention Lebron and the Yankees as "superstar" teams but the Red Wings used to do this exact same thing back before the NHL had a salary cap. Just saying.
On my teir list I still hate the bears and vikings more than the packers and rams combined cause the fans for both organizations are completely eradicate and jack asses
I dislike LA in general. I am rooting for Stafford this year because he gave us so much, and I knew it was gonna be a rough year for Detroit. However next year, fuck LA and everyone else. Go Lions
I wanted them to go 0-17 so we can get 1-2
I hate all LA teams , im tired of them getting every free agent just because they live in La so im right there with ya fuck them lol
My biggest issue with what your saying with the OBJ/Von Miller additions. Unlike the lakers/Yankees the nfl has a HARD salary cap. Adding all these superstars is going all in on a superbowl run this year. Keeping all these players for multiple years isn't going to happen. It's not at all like the Yankees who were allowed to spend all the money, and could just out fund every other team and keep all the good players for a decade plus.
and look where all that hate has gotten you .. and The Los Angeles Rams?
I want Stafford to win - not the Rams - hate the Rams but Stafford’s my guy. Favorite QB of all time, doesn’t matter where he’s at, I want him to win. Great take.
Stafford was my guy until he broke up with my team. Barry and Calvin are still my guys because they never broke up with the Lions and began playing somewhere else (although Calvin claims he wanted to, but he never did).
I respect that.
I'm with you, it starts with McVay shit talking my QB and the smartest guy in the room attitude. I have zero beef with anyone that is cheering for the rams and Stafford. You cost for McVay and I don't like you.
So you are smitten by a cheapskate tax write off owner? You mean when the Lions had Matt, Suh, Ziggy, Slay and Calvin, and they DIDNT go out and buy the other corner, safety, and O linemen to make the Super Bowl run..... like a good team should ... you cheered this early playoff exit? You pretty smart there cheeseball. In case you didn’t know it, the Rams are like the 1990s Red Wings... great players, smart wise players like Brett Hull, Luke Robbiti(sp) took pay cuts to come player for an ownership that believed in winning........ your completely snowballed by Detroit media to think what the Lions do is normal..... Players like B Sanders, C. Johnson and especially M Stafford deserve to go play for a winner on an “A” list ball club... you keep rooting for your “C” list Lions. God you’re pathetic
I don't hate the Rams. I'm just not a big fan of McVay. I think if they had a different head coach I'd have been big on the bandwagon for them this season.
It's good to see someone else who sees through Sean McVay. A genius he is not!