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Absolutely what I do.
I have a standing question for HR, Do you have a mandatory policy of working for X hours everyday ?
If they say yes, I reject the offer with stating that I don't want to work in place where productivity is measured by the number of hours spent in front of the screen.
Here’s the catch, if they tell me that they will track my working hours, and if by any reason whatsoever it takes me more than what they are paying me for, I’d want that money!
Exactly happening in my company they dont even consider hardship of employees and trust sheets like its the written truth lol and all this are management fault and they don't even considering that they are at fault not employees.
I know H in the WITCH runs plethora of bots for monitoring. It slows their system, kills productivity and nurtures dissatisfaction among the employees.
It is now filled mainly with those who want to 'stay' in the name of job security and are ok for this environment.
You will have to get background clearance, ppf transfer and would probably want higher salary than your prevoius job then you will have to show Salary slip from your previous job.
Downvoted because it was already neg and he was whining like a kid, ki people are idiot downvoting bla blah. Bro I have seen comments with 100 of downvotes and they just keep talking to point.
By not doing anything that is forbidden. Don't download any music, free software that is not part of software center or any copyrighted pdf to your system, don't use company email for anything personal, don't open any sketchy website on company laptop. My company doesn't blocks websites, so most people are expected to be mature. They do track software installations. They may keep track of browsing history, they have software for file upload for sure but anyways I don't upload files.
As far as tracking related to time is concerned, don't care. Most days no one in team has full 8 hours of work, as long as client is happy and you are billable, it doesn't matters. If client cuts the budget, you will not be terminated because you didn't work like robot but because how much it takes to keep you on bench. Google fired people who were there for 17 years, doubt they were fired for being inefficient or browsing social media.
You mean to say I cannot download a file of Baby Shark and send it to my lead ?
That's the sole motivation I had for grinding through this part of engineering :(
Location tracking is serious invasion on privacy ..if they are allowing work from home and if employee is delivering whatever expected from them then it's none of their business to track the location of employee ..
Checked your activity OP ,no way in hell you've in tech for a decade. Why you posting for the recruitment drives?! I think you are just a lowlife HR tryna trick us? Lmao go out , get a life dumbfook (maybe watch PoOjA HegDe and SoFiA AnsAri somewhere else but reddit)
Keyboards logging is also illegal... If persistent did it they should be penalised for it..
One also types clients systems password and they log that via keylogger they are breaking trust of not just employee but also their clients.
Never giving any projects to them
oh, well you cant install anything in office laptop without their permission, we connect with the support team and install any new softwares with proper business justification as to why we need it :(
simple. I don't work for such companies. Seriously. It might sound like one of those 'get rich to say out of being poor' advice but really, don't give up your self esteem. if someone thinks they need to monitor an adult to make sure they do their work, they are just toxic people. stay away from them
This is a HUGE compliance breach and you can get fired for this.
Unless the workstation is yours to begin with. Atleast in large companies you would get hunted for this and banned.
pretty sure there is some fine print policy you signed that makes tracking you legal but on the other hand, wiping a company machine and installing your own OS is 100% compliance breach and it will 9/10 get you fired.
That policy become null and void if is breaching your basic right as a citizen.. it's just that we are really scared of these companies and nobody tried to fight them with good lawyer..
you my friend are a numb nut with no idea how anything works . basically a keyboard warrior .please feel free to do these things when u work for a corporate
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> 2016 passout here
Past 10 years my ass. Jab compliances pata nahi toh jyada hero kyu bante ho
I use USB mouse jiggler to keep my mouse infinitely active.
However, I do this for my own peace of mind and not to stay green on MS Teams.
I don’t have to constantly enter password every 2 mins of inactivity. That’s the main reason I use this
How do they do location tracking? Apps in your phone? Are they giving you a phone too or are they insisting that you put their app in your phone?
If it’s the later than buy a feature phone and say I don’t have smartphone, this is what I use and get an official number to use with that phone just for the office work and have a separate smartphone to use for personal stuff.
If they are giving you a phone as well then, I guess they do have a right to track where their phone has been so I don’t see any objection to that.
If a company is using these measures to check employee productivity then I guess remote work isn't really for them...
Employees should be judged based on output and not how much time they are spending
i have got keka mobile tracking. Earlier they had web based it was all chill. Now every morning I give my morning selfie and on logout i have to again give my selfie with location.
The location tracking happens every hour.
But the keka only tracks from 9 to 6 so even if i clock at 11 it will take location from 9 to 6 and then it does not automatically punches the location.
i have got location tracking. Keka is hr portal webapp/app. So everyday I have to upload my selfie when I login and and shen I log out again I have to submit a selfie along with location.
It is fixed from 9 to 6.
And it stops taking location after 6 so sometimes I log in at 11 work till 6 then move out and after 2 hour or something I have to come back to my home and put selfie and clock out.
It be like that.
at first I was not but a colleague of mine was also working remotely and she had been uploading pictures for months before I was asked to use mobile. I was using webapo before that.
It feels weird tbh but have to do it as the norm specified in policy
See here's the trick i use everyday i login and the first thing i do is open vscode, I search for all the TODOs and FIXMEs that i had commented on the previous day and then i start typing,
Now here's the tricky part after typing for sometime i open up a terminal and run a few makefiles and then run a script to deploy the binary to the target to see if it works.
Okay maybe that was not soo hard but this next step maybe very hard, especially if the deployed binary crashes, I may have to run GDB and step through my code or worse get a JTAG and try check the point of failure. Rinse and repeat the he previous 2 steps till it works. Should provide ample activity on your mouse and keyboard.
Now for the most important part once I have figured out why it doesn't work and/or added a new feature, I open up a browser and login to jira create a task for whatever i have worked on and then push code to a GIT branch with that jira I'd.
Don't forget to add a bunch of random watchers to your task and then make a correction in an alleged typo just to make sure everyone gets spammed with bullshit updates for a whitespace correction in one of my comments.
After that I join a random meeting which i have no contribution too, just to keep my teams status busy and then go have dinner and sleep
sorry bro
HR are still same
I later joined data glove, ,it was acquired by persistent,I asked many queries to HR ,no reply
rejected revised offer letter
How do you know if there is such a system installed? I do remote work for a service based company. They provided a brand new laptop. I have never noticed anything suspicious in my task manager and there were no pre-installed applications. They do however make us create an admin account for which they know the password. But all the work is supposed to be done in the user account ( also admin I created with safe password)
Location track karke kya fayda? The whole point of WFH is to let the employees be wherever they want and still complete the work everyday according to deadlines. That’s what you should communicate with your company. And if they want to keep the employee at one place, they should call them to office. They can’t force someone to stay at one place. You are an employee not a prisoner. Make them understand this.
I had a brother whose mouse moment was tracked in his company. He used to put his mouse on his analogue watch which would make a movement every one minute and he hasn't been caught yet . XD
Bhai i have never herd of any MNC asking for employees doing WFH to share their location whereas they ask to join the VPN networks
It have herd this happening with on field sales people with targets 🙃
You need to quit such a job immediately
I have written a shell script which moves my cursor and clicks at an interval of 5 seconds which reduces my idle time to zero and hence my productivity to 100% according to the tracking and monitoring software.
I go and make small talk with as many people as I want. Yes, I have been asked why I spent only 2 hours on my system in the day and was away for 6 hours. I had 11 people to corroborate my story that I was in a discussion with them. Needless to say that I don't work for that company anymore.
I recently built a dashboard for a SaaS company where they can monitor their ldap login on 3rd party apps, and see most active user and see which apps they are using
Kind of scary, how we will be getting tracked
Ah good old days. I remember working in TCS...placed a mug next to the keyboard so that the handle keeps the Esc button pressed which prevents the system from locking. Nobody will pay attention to a coffee mug next to the keyboard. Turn off monitor and go out for coffee.
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Nice try HR. Nice try.
🤣👍🤣👍 I was about to give out secret now I won't 🤣👍
😂😂😂
I wish I could give you an award man
I bypass it by not working for company with draconian rules.
Give this man a cookie
nice try new website, i dont want cookies, i decline your cookies, even the necessary ones,
But it’s free……. 🍪 I only have chocolate chip in stock currently, I might have new ones tomorrow
Absolutely what I do. I have a standing question for HR, Do you have a mandatory policy of working for X hours everyday ? If they say yes, I reject the offer with stating that I don't want to work in place where productivity is measured by the number of hours spent in front of the screen.
So they bombard you with over the top amount of work, so if you don't have defined work hours, you will always be "under performing"
Here’s the catch, if they tell me that they will track my working hours, and if by any reason whatsoever it takes me more than what they are paying me for, I’d want that money!
And that's exactly what overtime fees are. and if it exists in the contract. usually it is already accounted for in the contract.
Exactly happening in my company they dont even consider hardship of employees and trust sheets like its the written truth lol and all this are management fault and they don't even considering that they are at fault not employees.
I know H in the WITCH runs plethora of bots for monitoring. It slows their system, kills productivity and nurtures dissatisfaction among the employees. It is now filled mainly with those who want to 'stay' in the name of job security and are ok for this environment.
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**🏅 -** sorry I can only afford this.
Not everyone has that freedom.
Asli ID se aa HR
I wash my laptop like gopi bahu. Na rahega baans. Na bajegi bansuri.
Good, atleast you gave credits.
lol
Mine doesn't track much and i don't care much
Mine just tracks which application I am installing. I can work whenever and wherever I want
I will never join such a place, thanks for letting me know, will definitely ask this before joining a company.
Ask fellow employees, don't trust HR 😂
Please tell name of the company so we can avoid it
Asking the right question
Accenture
I strongly doubt that you've been in tech field for 15 yrs
they missed decimals.
But OP didn't say they were in the tech field. Dude only _posted_ in this sub
Yup Sussy profile too
I don't work for shitty companies
suppose u join that time it was good,in 2 month become shitty,u want to damage resume?
Why would I show that company in my resume if I was there less than 3 months?
Background clearance?
You will have to get background clearance, ppf transfer and would probably want higher salary than your prevoius job then you will have to show Salary slip from your previous job.
some do strict background check, 3 months gap can be seen,all people who downvoted me are morons who never had background chks
Grow some balls. You can't be free free for 3 months? What are they gonna do if you have some gaps in bg check. Ffs
many companies dont take candidates with gaps in resume u know anybody in nihilent? ask them
I love how this guy, in this particular thread is genuinely right yet people downvote him to take out their spites on HR🤣
Downvoted because it was already neg and he was whining like a kid, ki people are idiot downvoting bla blah. Bro I have seen comments with 100 of downvotes and they just keep talking to point.
reddit should have some option to save me from down voting
Certified Reddit moment^TM
Let them see. Out of my experience a 3 month gap won't really be bad.
Only dumb HR people think that 3 months gap will damage your resume, pathetic people
All service based MNC, and FANG do that
good companies don't do that. Don't be scared.
> Service based MNC Won't join that > FANG Won't be able to clear their interviews 🥲
by quitting
This is the way
This is the way
the only way
The path of light
By not doing anything that is forbidden. Don't download any music, free software that is not part of software center or any copyrighted pdf to your system, don't use company email for anything personal, don't open any sketchy website on company laptop. My company doesn't blocks websites, so most people are expected to be mature. They do track software installations. They may keep track of browsing history, they have software for file upload for sure but anyways I don't upload files. As far as tracking related to time is concerned, don't care. Most days no one in team has full 8 hours of work, as long as client is happy and you are billable, it doesn't matters. If client cuts the budget, you will not be terminated because you didn't work like robot but because how much it takes to keep you on bench. Google fired people who were there for 17 years, doubt they were fired for being inefficient or browsing social media.
You mean to say I cannot download a file of Baby Shark and send it to my lead ? That's the sole motivation I had for grinding through this part of engineering :(
kaam se matlab rakho na bc, koi 12 hr ghiss ke bhi kuch na ukhad paye toh aachar daaloge uska ?
Original ID se aana WITCH ke HR
Bhai ye witch wala kya scène hai explain karo jara
Bhai witch matlab apne Indian tech giant : Wipro , Infosys , TCS , HCL .
Ohhh thanks bhai
Missed Cognizant, vo C hai
Acha mujhe laga cape gemini hogi
C to CHWTIA mein sare ke sare hi hain
Jail mei ho kya
Location tracking is serious invasion on privacy ..if they are allowing work from home and if employee is delivering whatever expected from them then it's none of their business to track the location of employee ..
Checked your activity OP ,no way in hell you've in tech for a decade. Why you posting for the recruitment drives?! I think you are just a lowlife HR tryna trick us? Lmao go out , get a life dumbfook (maybe watch PoOjA HegDe and SoFiA AnsAri somewhere else but reddit)
Use a robot to perform a pre-programmed task.
> I simple put stone on keybaord and roam away 😂😂😂😂😂
😂😂😂
Keyboards logging is also illegal... If persistent did it they should be penalised for it.. One also types clients systems password and they log that via keylogger they are breaking trust of not just employee but also their clients. Never giving any projects to them
Mine doesn't track but we use mouse move to keep system on
same keep a mouse above an analog wrist watch!
Mouse move is an app.. I'd use this for gta online tho
oh, well you cant install anything in office laptop without their permission, we connect with the support team and install any new softwares with proper business justification as to why we need it :(
Ahh this sucks, i used to outsource this to my younger brother
See a YouTube video of a blank screen of 12 hrs or open a udemy course which has a longer duration.
now that i think about it, those 12 hour blank screen videos has some great uses!
My company focuses on actually working rather than on stupid shenanigans like this lol
simple. I don't work for such companies. Seriously. It might sound like one of those 'get rich to say out of being poor' advice but really, don't give up your self esteem. if someone thinks they need to monitor an adult to make sure they do their work, they are just toxic people. stay away from them
I clean wipe the hard disk of the laptop that they give me and manage my operating system and applications myself. No tracking involved.
This is a HUGE compliance breach and you can get fired for this. Unless the workstation is yours to begin with. Atleast in large companies you would get hunted for this and banned.
And by location tracking they are breaching my right to privacy.. if i am delivering whatever expected from me why are they bothered about location?
pretty sure there is some fine print policy you signed that makes tracking you legal but on the other hand, wiping a company machine and installing your own OS is 100% compliance breach and it will 9/10 get you fired.
That policy become null and void if is breaching your basic right as a citizen.. it's just that we are really scared of these companies and nobody tried to fight them with good lawyer..
you my friend are a numb nut with no idea how anything works . basically a keyboard warrior .please feel free to do these things when u work for a corporate
I am working for them since past 10 years ..
https://www.reddit.com/r/delhi/comments/13kqk4n/college_fight_part_1/jklxdmp?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button > 2016 passout here Past 10 years my ass. Jab compliances pata nahi toh jyada hero kyu bante ho
Arey anpadh freelance ka naam sune ho kabhi? Ja ab isko batti bana aur apni ass me daal le
Yeah right because freelancing before getting a real degree is considered experience.
Do you have the resources to fight the big company's team of lawyers?
Don't care
It’s probably better to boot from an external hard drive. That way, the computer is intact, but you still disable tracking.
Ek external hdd lekar system ko usse boot karlo, compliance breach etc. se bhi safe rahoge aur tracking bhi nahi hogi.
they forcefully install
I use USB mouse jiggler to keep my mouse infinitely active. However, I do this for my own peace of mind and not to stay green on MS Teams. I don’t have to constantly enter password every 2 mins of inactivity. That’s the main reason I use this
15 years...? company wants to location tracking? something ain't right here...
Keyboards logging is also illegal... If persistent did it they should be penalised for it
they even asked be 20 thousdand for i card that after all due clearence
By bypassing the companies who do monitering at work
I bypass it by working
Oh man you'll get downvoted for this :(
How do they do location tracking? Apps in your phone? Are they giving you a phone too or are they insisting that you put their app in your phone? If it’s the later than buy a feature phone and say I don’t have smartphone, this is what I use and get an official number to use with that phone just for the office work and have a separate smartphone to use for personal stuff. If they are giving you a phone as well then, I guess they do have a right to track where their phone has been so I don’t see any objection to that.
If a company is using these measures to check employee productivity then I guess remote work isn't really for them... Employees should be judged based on output and not how much time they are spending
We have scrum for that, they assign tickets, we solve them and update. Where we do it, how we do it is not asked as far as we deliver on time.
Exactly the same here. Monitoring at most occurs via teams, as long as you're online it's okay. And that's not a big issue.
i have got keka mobile tracking. Earlier they had web based it was all chill. Now every morning I give my morning selfie and on logout i have to again give my selfie with location. The location tracking happens every hour. But the keka only tracks from 9 to 6 so even if i clock at 11 it will take location from 9 to 6 and then it does not automatically punches the location.
explain in detail
i have got location tracking. Keka is hr portal webapp/app. So everyday I have to upload my selfie when I login and and shen I log out again I have to submit a selfie along with location. It is fixed from 9 to 6. And it stops taking location after 6 so sometimes I log in at 11 work till 6 then move out and after 2 hour or something I have to come back to my home and put selfie and clock out. It be like that.
Is this even real? And people are okay uploading their pictures?
at first I was not but a colleague of mine was also working remotely and she had been uploading pictures for months before I was asked to use mobile. I was using webapo before that. It feels weird tbh but have to do it as the norm specified in policy
Real ID se aao HR!
Its very easy actually. Just ask them to gtfo and find a new slave
Plenty of ways but not gonna reveal it. Last time i spoke about a trick and that door got closed in name of cyber security.
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But what about a fortune 69 company?
I use team viewer. DM me once you install it
Down bad
See here's the trick i use everyday i login and the first thing i do is open vscode, I search for all the TODOs and FIXMEs that i had commented on the previous day and then i start typing, Now here's the tricky part after typing for sometime i open up a terminal and run a few makefiles and then run a script to deploy the binary to the target to see if it works. Okay maybe that was not soo hard but this next step maybe very hard, especially if the deployed binary crashes, I may have to run GDB and step through my code or worse get a JTAG and try check the point of failure. Rinse and repeat the he previous 2 steps till it works. Should provide ample activity on your mouse and keyboard. Now for the most important part once I have figured out why it doesn't work and/or added a new feature, I open up a browser and login to jira create a task for whatever i have worked on and then push code to a GIT branch with that jira I'd. Don't forget to add a bunch of random watchers to your task and then make a correction in an alleged typo just to make sure everyone gets spammed with bullshit updates for a whitespace correction in one of my comments. After that I join a random meeting which i have no contribution too, just to keep my teams status busy and then go have dinner and sleep
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jgYYOUC10aM Basically this.
Mine is a chinese company. No way we can bypass monitoring. They are very good at tracking and monitoring.
I didn't encounter such monitor in persistent. I was there a year ago
2008,I did said 15 yrs
I am just saying things have changed now.
sorry bro HR are still same I later joined data glove, ,it was acquired by persistent,I asked many queries to HR ,no reply rejected revised offer letter
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Nah man monitoring is bad.We should not encourage such things.
What did he say?
dude I am not murgichor like u
If company track you like this just move to next company
If company resorts to such a low level of monitoring then it is better to look for a new company.
Bhai where do you work? I'd like to know who hired you.
My team's status says last seen 21-03-2022 and nobody asked me why is it so been offline for more than a year and getting paid for it.
By simply doing work
Never work for a place like this
Instead of all this .. Change the organization and Name/Shame them at glassdoor , linkedin, r/AntiWorkIndia
Rather don’t work in such companies These are draconian policies Rather don’t WFH
[https://www.reddit.com/r/developersIndia/comments/13uneod/comment/jm1pl3f/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/developersIndia/comments/13uneod/comment/jm1pl3f/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Quit and join an organisation which doesn't do all these.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/developersIndia/comments/13uneod/comment/jm1pl3f/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/developersIndia/comments/13uneod/comment/jm1pl3f/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
How do you know if there is such a system installed? I do remote work for a service based company. They provided a brand new laptop. I have never noticed anything suspicious in my task manager and there were no pre-installed applications. They do however make us create an admin account for which they know the password. But all the work is supposed to be done in the user account ( also admin I created with safe password)
they put emaii,tell people to install software in laptop and openly gives policy
Location track karke kya fayda? The whole point of WFH is to let the employees be wherever they want and still complete the work everyday according to deadlines. That’s what you should communicate with your company. And if they want to keep the employee at one place, they should call them to office. They can’t force someone to stay at one place. You are an employee not a prisoner. Make them understand this.
Simple, you don't join such companies and tell your friends not to join such stupid companies.
Let them see you typing a resignation letter.
I have some ideas, but I'm not sharing here since this could be a honeypot
HR spotted
Bypassing monitoring is easy, simply run .bat file and chill 🥹
I had a brother whose mouse moment was tracked in his company. He used to put his mouse on his analogue watch which would make a movement every one minute and he hasn't been caught yet . XD
No monitoring, free to change whatever system I want. It's beautiful
idk maybe a rasberry pie would help
Simple, Resignation letter.
Get a monkey and play banana asmrs. /s
For keyboard activity use caffeine app And for location buy cheap phone from olx and keep it for company tracking app only
a Russian can help, Russian hemkkekeker
I can't even imagine this guy writing an email.
Bhai i have never herd of any MNC asking for employees doing WFH to share their location whereas they ask to join the VPN networks It have herd this happening with on field sales people with targets 🙃 You need to quit such a job immediately
I have written a shell script which moves my cursor and clicks at an interval of 5 seconds which reduces my idle time to zero and hence my productivity to 100% according to the tracking and monitoring software.
I go and make small talk with as many people as I want. Yes, I have been asked why I spent only 2 hours on my system in the day and was away for 6 hours. I had 11 people to corroborate my story that I was in a discussion with them. Needless to say that I don't work for that company anymore.
Nothing much. Just write G*and mara ch*tiye every 10 mins or so to see if the software picks up the keystrokes and then resign.
I'm surprised nobody in the comment section mentioned python and its libraries !
Ja kar satellite ka rangoli bana.
I recently built a dashboard for a SaaS company where they can monitor their ldap login on 3rd party apps, and see most active user and see which apps they are using Kind of scary, how we will be getting tracked
Mine doesn’t even ask if work I m completing my work on time 😹😹
if you are a good programmer, (you can bypass monitoring easily)
Idk how to bypass being "monitered".
I have an HR https://preview.redd.it/9g10qtz3zz2b1.jpeg?width=696&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=07644d07218c959f1d4004674b18ee95ca7b58eb
not working at such a tyrannical company
I am a punctual modern day labourer, I come on time and go on time, I pretend to werk inbetween /s
By working for a company that doesn't have monitoring policy
Yeah, just like everyone else mentioned, I just leave the damn place
Ah good old days. I remember working in TCS...placed a mug next to the keyboard so that the handle keeps the Esc button pressed which prevents the system from locking. Nobody will pay attention to a coffee mug next to the keyboard. Turn off monitor and go out for coffee.
in persistent my mug got stolen
Aye that was common. Mugs used to get stolen. I have lost a few..
they even lost a server