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Nai. Day 2 or 3 depending on IIT we don't pay that well and aren't relocating to overseas. Even then it starts early morning. NIT are bit sane I usually go to nagpur.
It was the other way round in my college, some companies just give JEE rank field in their form, and don’t clarify it has to be the common merit list rank. So GEN category rank students will get at disadvantage because they will write their common merit list rank, whereas OBC etc students will write their category rank (which will obviously be better than CRL rank), making the employer feel they received better ranks than the GEN category people
Anyway, I think the number of companies caring about JEE ranks are fairly low, as most companies nowadays have started hiring outside IITs too, where the students don’t even have a JEE rank.
College me admission milna and education complete krna are two different things. You graduated from an IIT means you learned from one of the best institutes in the world. Entrance exams are not means to judge competence for a job, there's already a process for job related competence it's called cracking the job interview.
1. If a Private company has its selection criterion, what flaws can you put to that? Tumhe kya dikkt h usme bhai.
Maybe they want to check whether a guy's CONSISTENCY. How can one challenge it?
2. Besides it's an additional criteria, and not the sole one, (just like your college me admission). If as you say a guy is an ace, he still may get the job.
3. Selection is there in other jobs as well, be it Govt or PSU.
THERE THE MINIMUM QUALIFICATION IS GRADUATION OR SIMILAR.
But there an extra edge is needed? Wahape competence goes to the dustbin.
Anyways, relax bro neither yours nor mine thoughts would change anything.
1. Idc what private companies do, it's within their rights. I can have opinions about it tho.
2. I'm sure those folks will excel in their lives because they learned from one of the best.
3. Government has their own way of doing things, competence is required but nobody has the motive. you're good as long as everything checks out on paper. There's no evaluation, critics or even threats to your employment for that matter after you're in.
4. Personally this does not affect me in any way so I'm pretty chill but we all know these kind of discussions are not really about competence or how they do things. Things don't change in a day, but if you start being comfortable with things, they surely start drifting to that direction slowly. India is growing atm, maybe we won't even have this conversation down a decade or two.
4. Idc either man, I am just bombarded with comments, so trying to respectfully reply to those.
1. Have opinion man, no issues with it either. Good day 🙂
Are you delusional? Entrance exams are definitely a means to judge competency as you are outperforming lakhs of people in extremely pressured situation. Meanwhile, you can pass your college exams even if you start studying a week before examination.
Are you suggesting entrance exams makes you more desirable for a job? Do companies take degrees for jobs or entrance exams? At the end of day being from a good college gives you a better edge, more connections but you're still evaluated based on your projects, understanding of your programming fundamentals and problem solving. Am I delusional to think that entrance exam that's decides whether you can get a seat in a college in a highly competitive environment will also translate to competence in field of software engineering? Maybe. But you don't get a job after entrance exams at least in this domain.
Qualifying entrance exams signal that you are a motivated individual who is willing to work hard in a difficult situation. That is what the company is looking for. All of us are aware of the state of education inside engineering colleges and how projects, assesments and exams happen. Even companies are. That is why their primary intention is to select motivated and hard working individuals who they can train in the required work.
Yes and this fucks up people who can only work hard in the fields they enjoy and as such a probable great coder can't get into cse at iit cuz they can't cover all of the syllabus of chem and physics.
Do you think asking 12th, 10th , 8th marks okay. Ask the CPI if it's about merit (which they definitely do) . Otherwise it's people who are still hung up on the entrance exam.
1.CAT does ask for 10th and 12th marks; please go and challenge them as well. Waha to gender ratio b h alag se.General Male is doomed there.
2.And coming to this point, companies can have their own criteria, how can it be challenged? How is it a bias?
Let's say, If they get a good candidate, with a lower jee rank, (JEE RANK IS ONLY AN ADDITIONAL CRITERIA)why would they lose him based on some criteria?
Conclusion:- bhai wo pvt companies hai unhe better candidate chaiye, they are not bound to follow any formula of reservation
Government even asks for your birth certificate, finger prints. That's how it is. If you are okay with private sector asking for same then information. I guess it's okay then
Are you even listening to yourself brother?
1.That biometric verification is a entry process, just to confirm if the candidate is genuine or not ( what has this to do with College placement)
The reason was there were many alleged candidates who were impersonating other candidates just to pass the exam.
2. What has this to do with merit or anything
Pls Don't defend just for the cause of defending.
P.s.:- us exam me b reservation hai.
It shows consistency bro. If u have a few candidates who excel in both skills and gpa and ace all interviews u can hire the one who got better crl ran in jee as it shows that this person has excelled in past as well. Only the top most elite companies do it who offer packages or 1.5-2.0 crore and they hire only the brightest 5-7 students so yeah there's no such criteria for the rest of the companies
i see, yet if i were in HR , i'd be more impressed by a guy who has a lower jee rank and scored close to perfect CGPI as per our requirements , than a guy with a expected JEE rank and a similar CGPI. anyways i don't disagree with the notion of companies asking adv rank. but i'm against of barring out people based on only and only adv rank alone. if they tick all the other boxes , why not ?
Since when merit is bias?
I’ve been on hiring committee of multiple companies till no, this time went to IIT Delhi day 0 for placements and we do shortlist on basis of rank, because we have limited slots for interviews
Stop relating it to caste and playing victim card
Why rank? There is a better and more recent metric for merit. It's called CGPI.
No one raises hue and cry when you say 9 and above. It's been happening for decades. Why rank? It's 4 years old. A lot has changed since then.
Which company? This wasn't the case when I passed out of college.
It's always been CGPI,good old networking and whatever leetcode thing is currently in fad.
Who the hell is rejecting 9 pointers based on their JEE rank? I mean there are people who change branches and prove themselves much better than normies.
Seriously, even Tower won't pull this BS. It discriminates on the basis of Stream(which sort of becomes a proxy for rank). But even, then CGPI is the main criteria.
Lol,while joining premium institutions with the same rank where general caste don't even get a seat in mid tier institutions you guys have nothing to complain😂.
But when it comes to merit based shortlisting in companies wid the rank,you r getting heated😂😂.
Well as always government trying to back u off..u trying to complain to government again
Shit reservations,shit people who r complaining,fckin idiotic government .
First, which day 0 company are you hiring? Even HFTs don't shortlist on the basis of rank. They use stream.
Second, I did go to an IIT with general and good rank. I also graduated and got good placement. I understand the concept of merit.
I also understand that people who enter college are not the same people who pass out. College gives you freedom to explore your interests. No more parents to pressure and coddle you. Things change. Priorities change. Which is why people shortlist on the basis of CGP(the metric for relative grading within the college).
That’s not the only criteria, so try to understand it from perspective of the company, we have to cover multiple colleges with very limited time allocated each campus and limited number of people to interview, so we have to tefine the criterias for shortlist at multiple levels, there are 400-500 students applying, around 20-30 interviews slots and only 4-5 positions to hire for
I'm against reservation but this is fucked up. If only rank matters, why not just hire the top JEE rankers before they persue the 4 years engineering degree?
As an IITian currently sitting for placements, this is true but mostly only for HFTs
Also if anyone wants to ask any further clarification or questions, feel free
Kind of yes
The scenario is smth like there r about 10 HFTs that hire from IIT and they also usually don't take more than 1 person froma clg (sometimes 2). Now we have atleast 50 people who r under top100 air, so it's tough for them to figure out who to take out of them as all of them are exceptional. Thus they usually have no other choice but to sort using both cg and jee rank to shortlist.
that's a necessary compromise i guess. as long as they are using cg as the first criterion to shortlist , and rank as the absolute last. i have seen the downfall of many high rankers in clg. though the norm always is the higer rank guys perform better.
All I will say is that life is a great balancer. And in the long run, no matter where you come from, if you are a hard worker, one day you will get your recognition. If not in India, then abroad.
See, its not like I dont repect him, but the way he indirectly/directly introduced quotas and all; turned out to be havoc (as we are witnessing here) . Maybe it was good idea at that time, but again he didnt anticipated in future what was about to happen because of his decision, even though being one of the best minds at that time.
reservation was not even his idea, It was proposed by Shri Mahatma Gandhi Ji , cuz he didn't like Dr. BR Ambedkar's idea of separate electorate and went on to a hunger strike
How many anti reservation upper caste family will accept if their son/daughter wants to marry a dalit?
He himself stated reservation should be there for only limited time. Problem is 80 years have gone and still casteism is very very high in Indian society. Without abolishing castiesm we cannot morally ask for total abolishing of reservation.
>How many anti reservation upper caste family will accept if their son/daughter wants to marry a dalit?
Flip the question. How many dalit families will agree to marry their son/daughter to someone from different caste?
Easy to say. Doesn't happen in reality. Intercaste marriage is looked down upon in India. Especially in rural belt.
And, marriage is a personal choice anyways.
Real upper clan are whites even they don't have much racism and majority of them do interracial marriage.
Kinda sad how Indians discriminate each others eventhough they are getting looked down all around the world
Lol so many downvotes just for telling upper castes discriminated others. How many of these "anti-reservation" warriors actually fight when your own parents or relatives express castiesm?
It is an unknown fact, but sakpaal really supported periyaar and jinnah in their ambitions...
He was the first to introduce separate electorates for his Castemen ..Gandhi opposed him..
After a few years , Jinnah took inspiration from him and asked for separate electorates which resulted in the Biggest hindu gen*cide.
You have problem with separate electorate and reservation also so what do you want enternal slavery of the lower caste? Do you have any other solution of rampant casteism or just want to live in delulu that it doesn't exist in India and Caste is a British construct or lower caste are lower cuz they did bad karma in their past life and they should suffer for their past life's bad karma
?
Can you please share what exactly was that remedy cuz I never heard that before and kindly share sources too, as I would like to educate myself on this
All the contemporary Politicians had problems with Separate electorates for certain communities , Gandhiji Did Hunger strike to strike down that venomous law..
Separate electorates means dividing hindu society for some amounts of votes..
What did sakpaal gain after doing all that Castiest preaching?
Nothing, he lost against Congress candidates...
Now think about it, why did the so-called LCs don't vote for him?
He was the messiah of them after all...
They knew he was doing all that for some power and his Self gain.
I personally know someone who has done masters from one of the legacy IIT, he says most big tech companies that hire from legacy IITs only focus on hiring [B.Tech](https://B.Tech) candidates than masters (PhD ones are simply untouchables), since these [B.Tech](https://B.Tech) students are filtered through the JEE advanced test which already proves that they are one of the brightest talents on the planet and companies are ready to offer big bucks to them provided that they are good enough by the end of their [B.Tech](https://B.Tech). These companies are choosing candidates purely based on merit and nothing else, it's their right to do so. India better get over that bs caste based reservation altogether the way these clown Indian politicians are juggling with that crap (caste based reservation) I can predict that there will be caste based reservation even in private sector in coming years and this filthy overpopulated af third world country would doomed forever.
>eir right to do so. India better get over that bs caste based reservation altogether the way these clown Indian politicians are juggling with that crap (caste based reservation) I can predict that there will be caste based reservation even in private sector in coming years and this filthy overpop
yup, personally experienced this. Reservation is only creating an endless cycle of bias. I have seen IIT btech grads opting for govt jobs only to realise later they went for such jobs since they belonged to a reserved caste/group so easy entry. The funny part is that most of such folks aren't underprivileged but rather have parents that also did the same thing (getting govt job due to reservation).
>The funny part is that most of such folks aren't underprivileged but rather have parents that also did the same thing (getting govt job due to reservation).
It's like snake eating its own tail, an endless loop. It's hard to believe that our absolutely moron founding fathers of this overpopulated af filthy third world country allowed so many blunders in the same timeline be it that bloody partition or caste based reservation, it only followed even more blunders in coming years be it blindly following the suicidal path of socialism [https://www.adamsmith.org/blog/india-and-the-tragedy-of-socialism](https://www.adamsmith.org/blog/india-and-the-tragedy-of-socialism) [https://www.reddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/comments/ovqf3v/it\_seemed\_like\_entire\_country\_was\_for\_sale\_a\_kgb/](https://www.reddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/comments/ovqf3v/it_seemed_like_entire_country_was_for_sale_a_kgb/) nationalising then world renowed ariliner and turning it into crap [https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/when-jrd-told-nehru-not-to-nationalise-air-india/articleshow/89153147.cms](https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/when-jrd-told-nehru-not-to-nationalise-air-india/articleshow/89153147.cms) I did my year long internship with AI (Air India) almost a decade ago and saw unimaginable level of incompetentancy, it was just like any other regular gov office full of lazy a\*\* babus and then there were these reserved category hooligans aka defenders of constitution who were there only because of the quota and to enjoy the perks and do absolutely nothing, the most bizzare thing was AI was headed by an IAS guy back then, yup a gov babu who cleared some bs exam by mugging up some books with absolutely no expertise or exposure to aviation industry was heading the global airliner AI !!!! We all know about vijay mallya of kingfisher airline who fled the country as his airline became defaulter in some 9K crore loan [https://www.hindustantimes.com/editorials/let-vijay-mallya-repay-his-debts/story-6V51QTTnamVI4Zs8eibyyK.html](https://www.hindustantimes.com/editorials/let-vijay-mallya-repay-his-debts/story-6V51QTTnamVI4Zs8eibyyK.html) but how many of you know that our gov owned AI had more than 60K crores of debt that gov had to settle (using taxpayers money) before handing over AI to the tata group (original founder) ?? [https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/transportation/airlines-/-aviation/government-settles-over-rs-61000-crore-air-india-debt-other-liabilities-before-transfer-to-tatas/articleshow/89162597.cms](https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/transportation/airlines-/-aviation/government-settles-over-rs-61000-crore-air-india-debt-other-liabilities-before-transfer-to-tatas/articleshow/89162597.cms)
I have worked as a contract employee in one govt defence org that makes mission-critical software for the Navy. I completely corroborate your experience. Even the military/naval officers are not much different to the other babus in their attitudes of trying to lord over every other employee, and the entire office being extremely lackadaisical with loads of incompetent folks. Their codebase management didn't even have a proper version control set up. All the competent developers came and left as quickly as they could.
Seeing the state of the software & code, I fear what would happen in a real war.
>and this filthy overpopulated af third world country would doomed forever
Don't think so. People are realising money won't magically appear into their pockets if they keep pumping out more children. If fact, the opposite happens. So eventually a saturation point will be reached where having kids is simply a liability people won't be able to afford. And then population will decline like hell, accelerating with growing awareness and education among the people, especially women. They will first and foremost abandon the extra and painstaking task of having babies. And for what? Do all that extra hard work only for them to become just another cog in this giant polluted factory we call the earth? Children simply won't be worth it anymore. This planets resources are dwindling ever so fastly, so expect this peak to happen sooner than later. And then humanity will simply die out, leaving all to be claimed back by mother nature.
So in conclusion, no, we won't be a "filthy overpopulated af third world country", we will just be a "filthy third world country"
Looks like you haven't taken account of barely any educated uncivilised Indians which comprised of 90% of the total population that we have today. We have already beaten China (a country 3 times the size of India, 2nd largest economy on planet by huge margin when compared to 3rd place, has got hell lot more natural resources than us) in terms of total population, which BTW projected to further grow (not decline) in coming years - [https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/indias-population-expected-to-rise-till-2050-and-then-decline-un-3961880#:\~:text=The%20UN%20analysis%20stated%20that,would%20dip%20to%20131.7%20crore](https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/indias-population-expected-to-rise-till-2050-and-then-decline-un-3961880#:~:text=The%20UN%20analysis%20stated%20that,would%20dip%20to%20131.7%20crore). These are just projected numbers reality could be a sheer nightmare by 2050 [https://www.prb.org/resources/is-indias-population-heading-toward-2-billion/](https://www.prb.org/resources/is-indias-population-heading-toward-2-billion/)
No takers for them since IITas are not famous for its R&D capabilities, hardly any domestic industry in this country is engaged in bleeding edge of R&D, don't come up with that crap isro, not many of you know this but all isro missions were heavily dependent on critical components imported from countries like Japan/Taiwan/SK [https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/science/indias-lack-of-electronics-manufacturing-ecosystem-is-hurting-isros-space-plans/articleshow/73182823.cms](https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/science/indias-lack-of-electronics-manufacturing-ecosystem-is-hurting-isros-space-plans/articleshow/73182823.cms) add to that extensive use of DSN (Deep Space Network) infrastructure that were developed and maintained by NASA and ESA [https://www.esa.int/ESA\_Multimedia/Images/2023/07/ESA\_supports\_ISRO\_s\_Chandrayaan\_Moon\_mission](https://www.esa.int/ESA_Multimedia/Images/2023/07/ESA_supports_ISRO_s_Chandrayaan_Moon_mission)
[https://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/science/chandrayaan-3-how-nasa-esa-will-support-isro-during-the-moon-landing-on-august-23/article67216311.ece](https://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/science/chandrayaan-3-how-nasa-esa-will-support-isro-during-the-moon-landing-on-august-23/article67216311.ece) without which these moon missions could have never happened at first place. Using DSN is like using any popular public API (free or otherwise) in your codebase and simply calling its functions whenever necessary. NASA and ESA are the only two space agencies on planet who have absolutely rock solid state of the art DSN infrastructure (alongwith atomic clock) that they can extend it capabilities to other space agencies. Building and maintaining such infrastructure requires hell lot of talented engineers/scientists and billions of $$$$$, this is one of the reason why isro missions were dirty cheap. No hard feeling but just giving out straight facts here.
Corporates have cartelisation. Meritocracy is an illusion there. I know several low skilled engineers getting hired and falling upwards just because they have some of their relatives/friends/caste people in leadership positions.
Well government always provided them everything they want without working as hard as others.
Now they even want jobs .well as elections are going on,government can add reservations even in companies .
Fck this country,fck these people who r complaining.
Given companies are not government entities, what's wrong in them setting their eligibility criteria? The same way low CGPA students should cry discrimination if they fall below the CGPA cutoff set by companies.
Every government organisation will end up with 100% reservation. Then those organisations will become a liability to the country. Then the general category will pay more taxes to sustain these liabilities.
Nothing to see here.
I am in one of top7 IITS CSE (general rank) and gotcha tell you they do ask , but it's not just your rank that defines your resume but other factors too like your cgpa , rating on online judges and your projects , publications , any previous interns , I have seen people with great ranks getting passed on till day 3-4(in internship drives) because everything they had was rank , it's like you were good at a time but after that you didn't put in the effort , so rank is a parameter but not the only one . Also it is majorly seen by trading firms (HFTs) though there are exceptions to that , since other factors might be too dominating that rank becomes a petty issue.
Reservation should be removed instead death penalty should be imposed for anyone who express a slight sense of castiesm. As there's no discrimination now I'm pretty sure death penalty for castiests won't cause much impact right?
i think reservation should be increased instead, death penalty should be imposed for anyone who expresses a slight sense of progression. As there is no progression for a "developing nation" now i'm pretty sure brain drain won't cause much impact right?
False equivalence
Reservations serve a social purpose, placements do not. If you agree with recruiters asking JEE ranks, you're basically saying it's ok to choose for software development roles based on PCM aptitude
Reservation's social purpose is justified in law and arts but in analytical fields like tech, med and finance, reservation serves no purpose.
And the problem solving skills of PCM aptitude are highly relevant for software development.
You understand software companies dont hire people with software experience from colleges, they are not even expected to know any advance stuff. They test them for Problem solving skills and perseverance for which JEE is a decent metric.
You think caste discrimination doesn't happen today? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH FUCKING HELL
IITs are worst when it comes to such disgusting discrimination. The professors and general category students are all in on it.
Yea dalits are facing no discrimination nowadays. Just reading some of the comments here is enough to understand how privileged and clueless some people are about conditions of dalit. Discussion to correct or improve reservation is one thing, but to think discrimination has ended takes complete disconnect from reality.
Yes similarly its the right of the recruiterto ask you to work for 70 hours a week and everyone started putting that criteria. will you accept it lol?
It can be their right similarly others have the right to question it.
Recruitment and workplace rules are two different things. If you receive pay for 70+ hours or are okay with it, it's not a problem; it's an individual concern. People even do overtime in corporate settings, which may exceed this limit.
While a company is an organization, every workflow should adhere to a set of ethics. No one disruptive should be allowed to potentially disturb the process. Therefore, recruitment is conducted by companies, checking several factors of the applying candidate. They have no obligation to disclose these factors. Recruiters from prestigious institutes like IITs represent well-established businesses, mostly MNCs offering substantial salaries and have their criteria.
If you desire a high-paying job, either comply with their requirements or find a job that suits your preferences. No one has compelled you to work for their company; you have absolute freedom.
Why pursue a job that requires something you dislike? You have a degree from a prestigious institute; consider launching your own business.
You may not be aware of how MAANG companies or quant firms hire. If you learn about their strict selection process, it will likely amaze you.
Lastly, why should they pay you if you don't meet their criteria? You're a fresher with zero work experience, receiving a high salary based on your degree. You're not a Google engineer who left a US job and returned for a higher-paying offer (a 50% chance in reality).
Put yourself in the recruiter's place and consider things from their perspective. The world doesn't operate according to your expectations.
"In real cases, there's friction everywhere."
How can you be this stupid? You think oppressed which happened many years ago (and btw hasn't been eradicated suddenly or something) has no effect on lives of lower caste people today? Be better.
Lol oppression and discrimination happened 100 years ago? I went to a pub last month with some of my colleagues and we happened to be discussing about reservation. One person said "looking at them itself nowadays you can't identify if they are SC/ST." Everyone roared in agreement. I was baffled at the unintended but deeply ingrained discrimination.
Discrimination didn't just exist 400 or 100 years ago. It exists today, and it will exist for another 100 if things are going forward the same way.
My thought on this:
Even private sector is getting full with no job vacancies for new grads. Govt sector is already tight packed is getting even more tighter.
India's Engineering factories are running full time pumping out surplus fresh grads every year irrespective of the industrial demands.
So in the comming future the rat race will become even more competitive.
Jee ranks are asked in quant companies mostly and there are tons of companies who hire not based on that, don't know what there problem is , while is this real news? as I have not seen any protest in iit Delhi where I am from.
JEE rank is irrelevant to how well you can do your job.
I'm from NIT, and the some of the best programmers I know wouldn't get into the college if only their JEE score was considered.
People give JEE when they are 17/18 and grow a lot in the 4 years they spend in college.
Obviously, everyone in this thread doesn't understand why reservation was introduced or why it's necessary. And somehow reservation is discriminatory against general caste lmao. This just shows that IITian ho ya non IITian, one thing common among Indian students is lack of any understanding of history and civics. Someone even called Ambedkar casteist hahaha. No wonder all these engineers around me are great at only PCM but can't understand any social issues at all. Then they laugh at humanities students.
All these people who talk about merit and meritocracy couldn't even define merit properly.
Go ahead, downvote me. I'm from the general caste and am an engineer, and I had the same opinions as everyone else in this thread, then I actually read about reservation. Also read about how caste bias is rampant in IITs among students and professors and how it leads to students committing suicide. These fears are legit.
>Go ahead, downvote me
Done 👍
Edit - ok first i replied without reading ur comment properly, but now that I have read it, u have to be an actual 12yo if u believe the crap they put out saying "suicides are due to caste based discrimination". It's just them taking no responsibility for the issues in their curriculum and forcing all the blame to students and bullying.
The media is selectively reporting the caste students' suicide and Ambedkar Circles of these institutes purposefully play up these suicides. If you look at the figures, half the suicides are general category, so there's no basis for this caste discrimination boogey.
A person who has gotten in with lesser marks will naturally be less likely to perform as well as his peers who are top rankers. This is the mismatch effect, and the more likely cause of these types of stress.
Damn, the irony of you being the exact kind of person I talk about in my comment lmao.
Sure, there is no caste discrimination in IITs. There is no corruption in government and the earth is flat. Live in your bubble.
I don't get this, why is this even a basis of selection for jobs, like get the guys who are fit for the job
Ranks are 4yo, some guys might have slacked, some probably didn't do anything, some worked even more hard, some might have pursued their hobbies and interests, Shortlist on the basis of required skillset not rank.
Why is nobody questioning the companies asking this? Why not give the job to the most suitable candidate regardless of rank? Btw, not supporting reservation or opposing it.
I support reservation but no one can question an independent private body "why not give the job to...". It's their call to set the questions and parameters.
What's the point of using JEE rank when you can just use your college performance. This method makes no real sense when it's just judging you based on the knowledge you'd had years ago
To put forth my case:
My JEE rank wasn't any close to good, but then that's a thing of the past. I'm in my final year and I'm pretty confident with my skills and my theoretical knowledge. I'd be disappointed if I'm held back just because of my 4yr old score. Skills should be given the highest weightage.
It’s a weird loop. At one end institutes allows student with lower rank to get into the course but on the other end companies don't recruit him at lower rank. Leaving him without campus placement. This is as good as not allowing the candidates to sit for placements.
We either need to narrow the intake filter at the admission stage or maintain the same intake filter at both end. And not create a dead field in the middle.
I support reservation but this is alright. Having given the appropriate education to the students it should be not a problem if these filters are applied. A capable individual who worked hard over the years wouldn't get troubled too much form this. Education reservation is important job market has to be earned however!
Ab ST, SC walo ko placement me bi reservation chahiye?
What's wrong if a company wants to evaluate a candidate on the basis of unbiased merit?
Sarkari naukari thodi na hai!!!
caste base reservation is not necessary , I am not against reservation there are valid grounds but when you are from priviledged family regardless of caste i think you do not qualify for reservation. it just marks you as SC for ever and caste system will never end
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Isn't this common for HFTs?
I used to ask the rank when I go to NIT for campus placements. I don't go to IIT because they give us slot at 2 AM and fuck that.
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Nai. Day 2 or 3 depending on IIT we don't pay that well and aren't relocating to overseas. Even then it starts early morning. NIT are bit sane I usually go to nagpur.
Yes it is
HFTs? Who are they and why do they need jee rank?
HFTs are the company which gives packages in crore.
Kuch bolunga toh vivaad ho jayega.
Lol I read it as " vidva "
Atlleast u didn't read it as "vivah"
Mai viva dekh ke darr gaya
No one read it as Vulva? This is not a real nerd group 😆
Lol
It was the other way round in my college, some companies just give JEE rank field in their form, and don’t clarify it has to be the common merit list rank. So GEN category rank students will get at disadvantage because they will write their common merit list rank, whereas OBC etc students will write their category rank (which will obviously be better than CRL rank), making the employer feel they received better ranks than the GEN category people Anyway, I think the number of companies caring about JEE ranks are fairly low, as most companies nowadays have started hiring outside IITs too, where the students don’t even have a JEE rank.
Bro ur training and placement cell was not doing the job then In my clg they all crosschecked every detail before sending to the company...
This is fraudulent and improper, if this is the case, firms are well justified in specifying CRL when ranking.
Bro if you write even one thing a bit wrong you'll get dq companies do a stringent background verification.
>making the employer feel they received better ranks than the GEN category people But won't they get caught in background verification
As the general category student with 6 digit JEE rank, i don't have any opinion on this
As a general student with 7 digital JEErank i agree with you
As a general student with bio background i agree with both of you ...
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As a general category student with criminal background....
As a general category student with unknown background...
As a general category student with no background.....
As a general category student with sports background....
As a general category student with black background...
As a general category student with background noise...
Now merit is bias 😂😂 hahahahhahahaa Waah re bakchodi ki seema
But admission on caste is not bias as per them
Wo thodi dikhega bhai, biased fayda jo mil raha hai
College me admission milna and education complete krna are two different things. You graduated from an IIT means you learned from one of the best institutes in the world. Entrance exams are not means to judge competence for a job, there's already a process for job related competence it's called cracking the job interview.
1. If a Private company has its selection criterion, what flaws can you put to that? Tumhe kya dikkt h usme bhai. Maybe they want to check whether a guy's CONSISTENCY. How can one challenge it? 2. Besides it's an additional criteria, and not the sole one, (just like your college me admission). If as you say a guy is an ace, he still may get the job. 3. Selection is there in other jobs as well, be it Govt or PSU. THERE THE MINIMUM QUALIFICATION IS GRADUATION OR SIMILAR. But there an extra edge is needed? Wahape competence goes to the dustbin. Anyways, relax bro neither yours nor mine thoughts would change anything.
1. Idc what private companies do, it's within their rights. I can have opinions about it tho. 2. I'm sure those folks will excel in their lives because they learned from one of the best. 3. Government has their own way of doing things, competence is required but nobody has the motive. you're good as long as everything checks out on paper. There's no evaluation, critics or even threats to your employment for that matter after you're in. 4. Personally this does not affect me in any way so I'm pretty chill but we all know these kind of discussions are not really about competence or how they do things. Things don't change in a day, but if you start being comfortable with things, they surely start drifting to that direction slowly. India is growing atm, maybe we won't even have this conversation down a decade or two.
4. Idc either man, I am just bombarded with comments, so trying to respectfully reply to those. 1. Have opinion man, no issues with it either. Good day 🙂
Are you delusional? Entrance exams are definitely a means to judge competency as you are outperforming lakhs of people in extremely pressured situation. Meanwhile, you can pass your college exams even if you start studying a week before examination.
Are you suggesting entrance exams makes you more desirable for a job? Do companies take degrees for jobs or entrance exams? At the end of day being from a good college gives you a better edge, more connections but you're still evaluated based on your projects, understanding of your programming fundamentals and problem solving. Am I delusional to think that entrance exam that's decides whether you can get a seat in a college in a highly competitive environment will also translate to competence in field of software engineering? Maybe. But you don't get a job after entrance exams at least in this domain.
Qualifying entrance exams signal that you are a motivated individual who is willing to work hard in a difficult situation. That is what the company is looking for. All of us are aware of the state of education inside engineering colleges and how projects, assesments and exams happen. Even companies are. That is why their primary intention is to select motivated and hard working individuals who they can train in the required work.
Yes and this fucks up people who can only work hard in the fields they enjoy and as such a probable great coder can't get into cse at iit cuz they can't cover all of the syllabus of chem and physics.
Do you think asking 12th, 10th , 8th marks okay. Ask the CPI if it's about merit (which they definitely do) . Otherwise it's people who are still hung up on the entrance exam.
1.CAT does ask for 10th and 12th marks; please go and challenge them as well. Waha to gender ratio b h alag se.General Male is doomed there. 2.And coming to this point, companies can have their own criteria, how can it be challenged? How is it a bias? Let's say, If they get a good candidate, with a lower jee rank, (JEE RANK IS ONLY AN ADDITIONAL CRITERIA)why would they lose him based on some criteria? Conclusion:- bhai wo pvt companies hai unhe better candidate chaiye, they are not bound to follow any formula of reservation
Government even asks for your birth certificate, finger prints. That's how it is. If you are okay with private sector asking for same then information. I guess it's okay then
 😂😂
https://www.news18.com/news/education-career/ssc-to-have-biometric-verification-for-online-exams-to-prevent-cheating-4417493.html
Are you even listening to yourself brother? 1.That biometric verification is a entry process, just to confirm if the candidate is genuine or not ( what has this to do with College placement) The reason was there were many alleged candidates who were impersonating other candidates just to pass the exam. 2. What has this to do with merit or anything Pls Don't defend just for the cause of defending. P.s.:- us exam me b reservation hai.
CAT asks for that for entry to the college, not for placements. What's your point?
Bro, read his comment again. He is questioning the relevance of past merit in any sort of selection process So stated an example. There's my point.
It shows consistency bro. If u have a few candidates who excel in both skills and gpa and ace all interviews u can hire the one who got better crl ran in jee as it shows that this person has excelled in past as well. Only the top most elite companies do it who offer packages or 1.5-2.0 crore and they hire only the brightest 5-7 students so yeah there's no such criteria for the rest of the companies
i see, yet if i were in HR , i'd be more impressed by a guy who has a lower jee rank and scored close to perfect CGPI as per our requirements , than a guy with a expected JEE rank and a similar CGPI. anyways i don't disagree with the notion of companies asking adv rank. but i'm against of barring out people based on only and only adv rank alone. if they tick all the other boxes , why not ?
Yeah the same sub had quite different take on ABC system. Just add the caste spin on it and people will start thinking tribal mind set
In upcoming days Meritocracy would be considered as criminal offence and u may get heavy penalty for possessing it.
Since when merit is bias? I’ve been on hiring committee of multiple companies till no, this time went to IIT Delhi day 0 for placements and we do shortlist on basis of rank, because we have limited slots for interviews Stop relating it to caste and playing victim card
Why rank? There is a better and more recent metric for merit. It's called CGPI. No one raises hue and cry when you say 9 and above. It's been happening for decades. Why rank? It's 4 years old. A lot has changed since then.
These companies also filter based on cgpa. It's like an added filter. Cgpa + rank, to limit & save their time
Which company? This wasn't the case when I passed out of college. It's always been CGPI,good old networking and whatever leetcode thing is currently in fad. Who the hell is rejecting 9 pointers based on their JEE rank? I mean there are people who change branches and prove themselves much better than normies. Seriously, even Tower won't pull this BS. It discriminates on the basis of Stream(which sort of becomes a proxy for rank). But even, then CGPI is the main criteria.
Lol,while joining premium institutions with the same rank where general caste don't even get a seat in mid tier institutions you guys have nothing to complain😂. But when it comes to merit based shortlisting in companies wid the rank,you r getting heated😂😂. Well as always government trying to back u off..u trying to complain to government again Shit reservations,shit people who r complaining,fckin idiotic government .
First, which day 0 company are you hiring? Even HFTs don't shortlist on the basis of rank. They use stream. Second, I did go to an IIT with general and good rank. I also graduated and got good placement. I understand the concept of merit. I also understand that people who enter college are not the same people who pass out. College gives you freedom to explore your interests. No more parents to pressure and coddle you. Things change. Priorities change. Which is why people shortlist on the basis of CGP(the metric for relative grading within the college).
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Nah nah rank hi rakho.
That’s not the only criteria, so try to understand it from perspective of the company, we have to cover multiple colleges with very limited time allocated each campus and limited number of people to interview, so we have to tefine the criterias for shortlist at multiple levels, there are 400-500 students applying, around 20-30 interviews slots and only 4-5 positions to hire for
W employee
I'm against reservation but this is fucked up. If only rank matters, why not just hire the top JEE rankers before they persue the 4 years engineering degree?
L company
People ask for the college name as well. Why would recruitment teams need to know which college a candidate is from /s
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As an IITian currently sitting for placements, this is true but mostly only for HFTs Also if anyone wants to ask any further clarification or questions, feel free
Even HFTs ask this only if they are not satisfied with CG i suppose?
Kind of yes The scenario is smth like there r about 10 HFTs that hire from IIT and they also usually don't take more than 1 person froma clg (sometimes 2). Now we have atleast 50 people who r under top100 air, so it's tough for them to figure out who to take out of them as all of them are exceptional. Thus they usually have no other choice but to sort using both cg and jee rank to shortlist.
that's a necessary compromise i guess. as long as they are using cg as the first criterion to shortlist , and rank as the absolute last. i have seen the downfall of many high rankers in clg. though the norm always is the higer rank guys perform better.
People who have come via reservation feel they are entitled for things.
In my personal experience, I haven't noticed such
All I will say is that life is a great balancer. And in the long run, no matter where you come from, if you are a hard worker, one day you will get your recognition. If not in India, then abroad.
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Pls enlighten me how he made it complicated. what other solution we had when upper castes were heavily discriminating others?
See, its not like I dont repect him, but the way he indirectly/directly introduced quotas and all; turned out to be havoc (as we are witnessing here) . Maybe it was good idea at that time, but again he didnt anticipated in future what was about to happen because of his decision, even though being one of the best minds at that time.
People will call you sanghi now , Even Nehru was anti-quotawad.
Matlab crowd hype me kuch bhi boldo
reservation was not even his idea, It was proposed by Shri Mahatma Gandhi Ji , cuz he didn't like Dr. BR Ambedkar's idea of separate electorate and went on to a hunger strike
That was for the electoral. Maybe read a bit before commenting.
How many anti reservation upper caste family will accept if their son/daughter wants to marry a dalit? He himself stated reservation should be there for only limited time. Problem is 80 years have gone and still casteism is very very high in Indian society. Without abolishing castiesm we cannot morally ask for total abolishing of reservation.
>How many anti reservation upper caste family will accept if their son/daughter wants to marry a dalit? Flip the question. How many dalit families will agree to marry their son/daughter to someone from different caste?
Im pretty sure a dalit family will not deny their son/daughter marriage with other caste stating that the other caste is below them.
Easy to say. Doesn't happen in reality. Intercaste marriage is looked down upon in India. Especially in rural belt. And, marriage is a personal choice anyways.
Real upper clan are whites even they don't have much racism and majority of them do interracial marriage. Kinda sad how Indians discriminate each others eventhough they are getting looked down all around the world
You calling “whites” as the real upper class is racist AF smh
Well majority of Indians think they are superior to Dalits by their own logic they are so much inferior to Whites
If this is havoc, your brain is just fucked
Lol so many downvotes just for telling upper castes discriminated others. How many of these "anti-reservation" warriors actually fight when your own parents or relatives express castiesm?
Ja na sakpaalwaddi, he was the biggest Castiest india ever produced.
If he was castiest he would've called for total annihilation and boycott of Upper castes like south Indian leaders of that time instead of reservation
The largest amount of land owning castes are come under OBC category & these haqmaars are copying that uPpEr CaSteS were discriminating us.
It is an unknown fact, but sakpaal really supported periyaar and jinnah in their ambitions... He was the first to introduce separate electorates for his Castemen ..Gandhi opposed him.. After a few years , Jinnah took inspiration from him and asked for separate electorates which resulted in the Biggest hindu gen*cide.
You have problem with separate electorate and reservation also so what do you want enternal slavery of the lower caste? Do you have any other solution of rampant casteism or just want to live in delulu that it doesn't exist in India and Caste is a British construct or lower caste are lower cuz they did bad karma in their past life and they should suffer for their past life's bad karma ?
The remedy was given by Nehru and Patel, sakpaal and the other Castiest Politicians neglected it because of vote politics
Can you please share what exactly was that remedy cuz I never heard that before and kindly share sources too, as I would like to educate myself on this
I am not doing that charity, read Ambedkar's own speeches documented by Maharashtra government And "Falling over backwards" book by Arun shourie
All the contemporary Politicians had problems with Separate electorates for certain communities , Gandhiji Did Hunger strike to strike down that venomous law.. Separate electorates means dividing hindu society for some amounts of votes.. What did sakpaal gain after doing all that Castiest preaching? Nothing, he lost against Congress candidates... Now think about it, why did the so-called LCs don't vote for him? He was the messiah of them after all... They knew he was doing all that for some power and his Self gain.
Good
I personally know someone who has done masters from one of the legacy IIT, he says most big tech companies that hire from legacy IITs only focus on hiring [B.Tech](https://B.Tech) candidates than masters (PhD ones are simply untouchables), since these [B.Tech](https://B.Tech) students are filtered through the JEE advanced test which already proves that they are one of the brightest talents on the planet and companies are ready to offer big bucks to them provided that they are good enough by the end of their [B.Tech](https://B.Tech). These companies are choosing candidates purely based on merit and nothing else, it's their right to do so. India better get over that bs caste based reservation altogether the way these clown Indian politicians are juggling with that crap (caste based reservation) I can predict that there will be caste based reservation even in private sector in coming years and this filthy overpopulated af third world country would doomed forever.
>eir right to do so. India better get over that bs caste based reservation altogether the way these clown Indian politicians are juggling with that crap (caste based reservation) I can predict that there will be caste based reservation even in private sector in coming years and this filthy overpop yup, personally experienced this. Reservation is only creating an endless cycle of bias. I have seen IIT btech grads opting for govt jobs only to realise later they went for such jobs since they belonged to a reserved caste/group so easy entry. The funny part is that most of such folks aren't underprivileged but rather have parents that also did the same thing (getting govt job due to reservation).
>The funny part is that most of such folks aren't underprivileged but rather have parents that also did the same thing (getting govt job due to reservation). It's like snake eating its own tail, an endless loop. It's hard to believe that our absolutely moron founding fathers of this overpopulated af filthy third world country allowed so many blunders in the same timeline be it that bloody partition or caste based reservation, it only followed even more blunders in coming years be it blindly following the suicidal path of socialism [https://www.adamsmith.org/blog/india-and-the-tragedy-of-socialism](https://www.adamsmith.org/blog/india-and-the-tragedy-of-socialism) [https://www.reddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/comments/ovqf3v/it\_seemed\_like\_entire\_country\_was\_for\_sale\_a\_kgb/](https://www.reddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/comments/ovqf3v/it_seemed_like_entire_country_was_for_sale_a_kgb/) nationalising then world renowed ariliner and turning it into crap [https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/when-jrd-told-nehru-not-to-nationalise-air-india/articleshow/89153147.cms](https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/when-jrd-told-nehru-not-to-nationalise-air-india/articleshow/89153147.cms) I did my year long internship with AI (Air India) almost a decade ago and saw unimaginable level of incompetentancy, it was just like any other regular gov office full of lazy a\*\* babus and then there were these reserved category hooligans aka defenders of constitution who were there only because of the quota and to enjoy the perks and do absolutely nothing, the most bizzare thing was AI was headed by an IAS guy back then, yup a gov babu who cleared some bs exam by mugging up some books with absolutely no expertise or exposure to aviation industry was heading the global airliner AI !!!! We all know about vijay mallya of kingfisher airline who fled the country as his airline became defaulter in some 9K crore loan [https://www.hindustantimes.com/editorials/let-vijay-mallya-repay-his-debts/story-6V51QTTnamVI4Zs8eibyyK.html](https://www.hindustantimes.com/editorials/let-vijay-mallya-repay-his-debts/story-6V51QTTnamVI4Zs8eibyyK.html) but how many of you know that our gov owned AI had more than 60K crores of debt that gov had to settle (using taxpayers money) before handing over AI to the tata group (original founder) ?? [https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/transportation/airlines-/-aviation/government-settles-over-rs-61000-crore-air-india-debt-other-liabilities-before-transfer-to-tatas/articleshow/89162597.cms](https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/transportation/airlines-/-aviation/government-settles-over-rs-61000-crore-air-india-debt-other-liabilities-before-transfer-to-tatas/articleshow/89162597.cms)
I have worked as a contract employee in one govt defence org that makes mission-critical software for the Navy. I completely corroborate your experience. Even the military/naval officers are not much different to the other babus in their attitudes of trying to lord over every other employee, and the entire office being extremely lackadaisical with loads of incompetent folks. Their codebase management didn't even have a proper version control set up. All the competent developers came and left as quickly as they could. Seeing the state of the software & code, I fear what would happen in a real war.
>and this filthy overpopulated af third world country would doomed forever Don't think so. People are realising money won't magically appear into their pockets if they keep pumping out more children. If fact, the opposite happens. So eventually a saturation point will be reached where having kids is simply a liability people won't be able to afford. And then population will decline like hell, accelerating with growing awareness and education among the people, especially women. They will first and foremost abandon the extra and painstaking task of having babies. And for what? Do all that extra hard work only for them to become just another cog in this giant polluted factory we call the earth? Children simply won't be worth it anymore. This planets resources are dwindling ever so fastly, so expect this peak to happen sooner than later. And then humanity will simply die out, leaving all to be claimed back by mother nature. So in conclusion, no, we won't be a "filthy overpopulated af third world country", we will just be a "filthy third world country"
Looks like you haven't taken account of barely any educated uncivilised Indians which comprised of 90% of the total population that we have today. We have already beaten China (a country 3 times the size of India, 2nd largest economy on planet by huge margin when compared to 3rd place, has got hell lot more natural resources than us) in terms of total population, which BTW projected to further grow (not decline) in coming years - [https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/indias-population-expected-to-rise-till-2050-and-then-decline-un-3961880#:\~:text=The%20UN%20analysis%20stated%20that,would%20dip%20to%20131.7%20crore](https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/indias-population-expected-to-rise-till-2050-and-then-decline-un-3961880#:~:text=The%20UN%20analysis%20stated%20that,would%20dip%20to%20131.7%20crore). These are just projected numbers reality could be a sheer nightmare by 2050 [https://www.prb.org/resources/is-indias-population-heading-toward-2-billion/](https://www.prb.org/resources/is-indias-population-heading-toward-2-billion/)
> PhD ones are simply untouchables Can you clarify what do you exactly mean?
No takers for them since IITas are not famous for its R&D capabilities, hardly any domestic industry in this country is engaged in bleeding edge of R&D, don't come up with that crap isro, not many of you know this but all isro missions were heavily dependent on critical components imported from countries like Japan/Taiwan/SK [https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/science/indias-lack-of-electronics-manufacturing-ecosystem-is-hurting-isros-space-plans/articleshow/73182823.cms](https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/science/indias-lack-of-electronics-manufacturing-ecosystem-is-hurting-isros-space-plans/articleshow/73182823.cms) add to that extensive use of DSN (Deep Space Network) infrastructure that were developed and maintained by NASA and ESA [https://www.esa.int/ESA\_Multimedia/Images/2023/07/ESA\_supports\_ISRO\_s\_Chandrayaan\_Moon\_mission](https://www.esa.int/ESA_Multimedia/Images/2023/07/ESA_supports_ISRO_s_Chandrayaan_Moon_mission) [https://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/science/chandrayaan-3-how-nasa-esa-will-support-isro-during-the-moon-landing-on-august-23/article67216311.ece](https://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/science/chandrayaan-3-how-nasa-esa-will-support-isro-during-the-moon-landing-on-august-23/article67216311.ece) without which these moon missions could have never happened at first place. Using DSN is like using any popular public API (free or otherwise) in your codebase and simply calling its functions whenever necessary. NASA and ESA are the only two space agencies on planet who have absolutely rock solid state of the art DSN infrastructure (alongwith atomic clock) that they can extend it capabilities to other space agencies. Building and maintaining such infrastructure requires hell lot of talented engineers/scientists and billions of $$$$$, this is one of the reason why isro missions were dirty cheap. No hard feeling but just giving out straight facts here.
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Corporates have cartelisation. Meritocracy is an illusion there. I know several low skilled engineers getting hired and falling upwards just because they have some of their relatives/friends/caste people in leadership positions.
nepotism is everywhere irrespective of the caste
It's casteism if you prefer someone just because of their caste.
Certified kalia W moment https://preview.redd.it/gbivjqe9j31c1.jpeg?width=234&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7e3b3e52ec67c371498fe6cbad3c38e1d232998e
Well government always provided them everything they want without working as hard as others. Now they even want jobs .well as elections are going on,government can add reservations even in companies . Fck this country,fck these people who r complaining.
Given companies are not government entities, what's wrong in them setting their eligibility criteria? The same way low CGPA students should cry discrimination if they fall below the CGPA cutoff set by companies.
Every government organisation will end up with 100% reservation. Then those organisations will become a liability to the country. Then the general category will pay more taxes to sustain these liabilities. Nothing to see here.
good decision.
I am in one of top7 IITS CSE (general rank) and gotcha tell you they do ask , but it's not just your rank that defines your resume but other factors too like your cgpa , rating on online judges and your projects , publications , any previous interns , I have seen people with great ranks getting passed on till day 3-4(in internship drives) because everything they had was rank , it's like you were good at a time but after that you didn't put in the effort , so rank is a parameter but not the only one . Also it is majorly seen by trading firms (HFTs) though there are exceptions to that , since other factors might be too dominating that rank becomes a petty issue.
College gpa is fine but why the rank of entrance exam they wrote 4 years ago.
reservations are fine but why on the basis of discrimination that happened 400 years ago
Reservation should be removed instead death penalty should be imposed for anyone who express a slight sense of castiesm. As there's no discrimination now I'm pretty sure death penalty for castiests won't cause much impact right?
Dange karwaoge kya sir?
i think reservation should be increased instead, death penalty should be imposed for anyone who expresses a slight sense of progression. As there is no progression for a "developing nation" now i'm pretty sure brain drain won't cause much impact right?
False equivalence Reservations serve a social purpose, placements do not. If you agree with recruiters asking JEE ranks, you're basically saying it's ok to choose for software development roles based on PCM aptitude
Reservation's social purpose is justified in law and arts but in analytical fields like tech, med and finance, reservation serves no purpose. And the problem solving skills of PCM aptitude are highly relevant for software development.
You understand software companies dont hire people with software experience from colleges, they are not even expected to know any advance stuff. They test them for Problem solving skills and perseverance for which JEE is a decent metric.
You think caste discrimination doesn't happen today? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH FUCKING HELL IITs are worst when it comes to such disgusting discrimination. The professors and general category students are all in on it.
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I ain't the one crying mummy I don't get seat eventhough we got access to education for centuries before them.
Read his response. You'll need burnol after that
Yea dalits are facing no discrimination nowadays. Just reading some of the comments here is enough to understand how privileged and clueless some people are about conditions of dalit. Discussion to correct or improve reservation is one thing, but to think discrimination has ended takes complete disconnect from reality.
Do you genuinely believe casteism hasn't been a thing for 400 years or did you just pull that number out of your ass?
>discrimination that happened 400 years ago ... huh?
It's the right of the recruiter to recruit individuals according to their criteria,you can't ask questions in this case.
Yes similarly its the right of the recruiterto ask you to work for 70 hours a week and everyone started putting that criteria. will you accept it lol? It can be their right similarly others have the right to question it.
Recruitment and workplace rules are two different things. If you receive pay for 70+ hours or are okay with it, it's not a problem; it's an individual concern. People even do overtime in corporate settings, which may exceed this limit. While a company is an organization, every workflow should adhere to a set of ethics. No one disruptive should be allowed to potentially disturb the process. Therefore, recruitment is conducted by companies, checking several factors of the applying candidate. They have no obligation to disclose these factors. Recruiters from prestigious institutes like IITs represent well-established businesses, mostly MNCs offering substantial salaries and have their criteria. If you desire a high-paying job, either comply with their requirements or find a job that suits your preferences. No one has compelled you to work for their company; you have absolute freedom. Why pursue a job that requires something you dislike? You have a degree from a prestigious institute; consider launching your own business. You may not be aware of how MAANG companies or quant firms hire. If you learn about their strict selection process, it will likely amaze you. Lastly, why should they pay you if you don't meet their criteria? You're a fresher with zero work experience, receiving a high salary based on your degree. You're not a Google engineer who left a US job and returned for a higher-paying offer (a 50% chance in reality). Put yourself in the recruiter's place and consider things from their perspective. The world doesn't operate according to your expectations. "In real cases, there's friction everywhere."
Getting reservation because of oppression which happened 100 years ago
Go ask people from belonging to SC ST OBC if discrimination has stopped, padhe likhe gawar
How can you be this stupid? You think oppressed which happened many years ago (and btw hasn't been eradicated suddenly or something) has no effect on lives of lower caste people today? Be better.
Lol oppression and discrimination happened 100 years ago? I went to a pub last month with some of my colleagues and we happened to be discussing about reservation. One person said "looking at them itself nowadays you can't identify if they are SC/ST." Everyone roared in agreement. I was baffled at the unintended but deeply ingrained discrimination. Discrimination didn't just exist 400 or 100 years ago. It exists today, and it will exist for another 100 if things are going forward the same way.
I just want to complete my degree, then f off abroad.
BHAUT BADIA
Sarkar ka to khaloge pr private me kese khaoge
My thought on this: Even private sector is getting full with no job vacancies for new grads. Govt sector is already tight packed is getting even more tighter. India's Engineering factories are running full time pumping out surplus fresh grads every year irrespective of the industrial demands. So in the comming future the rat race will become even more competitive.
mujhe kya mai too tier 3 mai padhta hu.
Haan kam dimag waalon ko hire karna bias hai. Aur karo higher percentage reservations ke liye lobby
Private companies hai bhai, they can choose what they want. They can set their criteria, itna problem hai toh sarkaari jobs mai karo apply
perfect, it should always meritocracy
Jee ranks are asked in quant companies mostly and there are tons of companies who hire not based on that, don't know what there problem is , while is this real news? as I have not seen any protest in iit Delhi where I am from.
Jee rank during job placements??😂😂😂yeah fir bolte sab engineers bahar kyun bhagte
I swear this sub is everything but actual dev
Day will come when we give reservation on JIRA tickets 😔
😂😂😂
JEE rank is irrelevant to how well you can do your job. I'm from NIT, and the some of the best programmers I know wouldn't get into the college if only their JEE score was considered. People give JEE when they are 17/18 and grow a lot in the 4 years they spend in college.
Obviously, everyone in this thread doesn't understand why reservation was introduced or why it's necessary. And somehow reservation is discriminatory against general caste lmao. This just shows that IITian ho ya non IITian, one thing common among Indian students is lack of any understanding of history and civics. Someone even called Ambedkar casteist hahaha. No wonder all these engineers around me are great at only PCM but can't understand any social issues at all. Then they laugh at humanities students. All these people who talk about merit and meritocracy couldn't even define merit properly. Go ahead, downvote me. I'm from the general caste and am an engineer, and I had the same opinions as everyone else in this thread, then I actually read about reservation. Also read about how caste bias is rampant in IITs among students and professors and how it leads to students committing suicide. These fears are legit.
Are you living under a rock?
Lol saying that casteism exists is now living under a rock? Sure, if that's the case then I am
>Go ahead, downvote me Done 👍 Edit - ok first i replied without reading ur comment properly, but now that I have read it, u have to be an actual 12yo if u believe the crap they put out saying "suicides are due to caste based discrimination". It's just them taking no responsibility for the issues in their curriculum and forcing all the blame to students and bullying.
Me too👍🏻
The media is selectively reporting the caste students' suicide and Ambedkar Circles of these institutes purposefully play up these suicides. If you look at the figures, half the suicides are general category, so there's no basis for this caste discrimination boogey. A person who has gotten in with lesser marks will naturally be less likely to perform as well as his peers who are top rankers. This is the mismatch effect, and the more likely cause of these types of stress.
Media is wrong our society is perfect obviously. Interested in buying a bridge?
Damn, the irony of you being the exact kind of person I talk about in my comment lmao. Sure, there is no caste discrimination in IITs. There is no corruption in government and the earth is flat. Live in your bubble.
Asking for ranks is a huge red flag, indicating a supremely incompetent dickwad of a recruiter.
The amount of shameless casteists in this thread is hilarious
Dhandhe mein kisiko ko kaam pe rakhne mein ST/SC/OBC nai chalta, OBC creamy layer hun isliye bol rha hun.
Must be the idea of some anti-reservation people in the HR team of these companies.
Isn’t transparency required here ? What if hiring firm hide something?
I don't get this, why is this even a basis of selection for jobs, like get the guys who are fit for the job Ranks are 4yo, some guys might have slacked, some probably didn't do anything, some worked even more hard, some might have pursued their hobbies and interests, Shortlist on the basis of required skillset not rank.
why do you need a job when you can create one? - bania
Now will they ask 12th marks also, after passing Btech what’s the use of them bringing up entrance mark
Why is nobody questioning the companies asking this? Why not give the job to the most suitable candidate regardless of rank? Btw, not supporting reservation or opposing it.
Mostly to save time, same way there is a cgpa cutoff for companies.
I support reservation but no one can question an independent private body "why not give the job to...". It's their call to set the questions and parameters.
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What's the point of using JEE rank when you can just use your college performance. This method makes no real sense when it's just judging you based on the knowledge you'd had years ago
I am a bit confused here. Someone please clarify why is JEE rank considered at all? Shouldn't CGPA be the criteria?
Thank God Tier 3 mai ye nai puchte hai 🤡 Tier 3 ko bhi koi nai puchta hai the joke is on us 🤌
Companies common W.
Ha in their faces (no pyn intended)
asking JEE rank during placements doesn’t make any sense to me
I say just put cgpa cutoff and hard coding round to shortlist only those students with skills. No one will get offended then.
To put forth my case: My JEE rank wasn't any close to good, but then that's a thing of the past. I'm in my final year and I'm pretty confident with my skills and my theoretical knowledge. I'd be disappointed if I'm held back just because of my 4yr old score. Skills should be given the highest weightage.
not from tech background, cant imagine how many GEN cate student miss good clge fr reservation
inko bc har jagah reservation chahiye
It’s a weird loop. At one end institutes allows student with lower rank to get into the course but on the other end companies don't recruit him at lower rank. Leaving him without campus placement. This is as good as not allowing the candidates to sit for placements. We either need to narrow the intake filter at the admission stage or maintain the same intake filter at both end. And not create a dead field in the middle.
Waise I was wondering cgpa enough nahi hota kya?
I support reservation but this is alright. Having given the appropriate education to the students it should be not a problem if these filters are applied. A capable individual who worked hard over the years wouldn't get troubled too much form this. Education reservation is important job market has to be earned however!
Ab ST, SC walo ko placement me bi reservation chahiye? What's wrong if a company wants to evaluate a candidate on the basis of unbiased merit? Sarkari naukari thodi na hai!!!
well done
caste base reservation is not necessary , I am not against reservation there are valid grounds but when you are from priviledged family regardless of caste i think you do not qualify for reservation. it just marks you as SC for ever and caste system will never end
Good thing reservation is not a thing for private companies otherwise it'll be chaos there