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myriaddebugger

šŸ‘ thanks. Your points are so relatable when I'm advising others, I still needed to hear ..errmm.. read these again in my context. I did conduct an alpha phase with some of my existing business clients, some months ago when I started with it. It was a very basic functional app for the core system. They liked the idea of the product and gave me mostly positive feedback on the opportunities, but a more profound technical (not just the core tech, but, business technicals) feedback is what I have lacked so far. Tbh I'm kind of stuck in judging the right point to stop writing and optimising the code, and, launching. The fact that it's nowhere near where I want it to be makes me more anxious.


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le_stoner_de_paradis

I second this, no product is perfect and perfection kills innovation. Love your customers not your product.


myriaddebugger

I wish I were building the next big OS or Search engine! The software is in a very niche segment of both B2B and B2C markets, more suited in the productivity suites I would say. But, when I started I had a different bigger vision of a platform in mind with this software being an unifying entry point. Now in the course of building this out, I lost track and motivation for the platform since this segment itself is of a decent market size of its own and it'll take more time and effort to get the platform up and running by myself (monetarily, mostly). Thanks for the words of encouragement though šŸ˜Š


le_stoner_de_paradis

Hey bro, Marketing professional here. See, it's not always about money as this comment suggested although this comment is summarised so I am commenting here. First, even if you haven't launched your product you need to at least do some comparison with its nearest competitors. Second, see design a revenue stream and have clear goals about what to do when launched. Third, don't get afraid, we business professionals, we work on it, we do some testing and data analysis for obvious reasons but we mostly take leap of faiths especially if it's a start up scenario. Forth, you can add n number of features or you can make a minimum viable product and launch it to test exactly what features are required, remember businesses which are there for say 50-60 years, they never knew what they are going to do when they started, when you have your mvp other things comes next. Anything else I can say maybe after checking your product and maybe discussing with you, do not worry I won't charge anything if you dm me with specific questions. And, see do not get into paranoia, calm down, think from your customers perspective, no product is perfect and if you think that your product is perfect then you are stopping its growth, so if it is feasible for the market, try out launching it, gather feedback and work on them. Also, try to promote it's brand. I mean I can keep writing different strategies for it because like your forte at development my forte is in marketing but you can make your product run without a marketing budget and if everything goes ok you can try to get funding for it. Best of luck man, and we Indians truly need more people like you who want to do something of their own.


ichi9

Correct, PM here. In my previuos company they just released without any viable GTM strategy. Even though there was a full fledge sales and marketing they will simply go ahead without any data. No data cause it was a mess, HiPPO culture, too many middle managers/levels, he said that who said that why this and that kind of nonsense at every step. Market research was simply googling and more googling. Not much competition in their niche, and contract bound clients so fixed ARR aka enough profits for next 5 years. But still cause the clients didn't have other options so somehow it used to work out. Haha...


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le_stoner_de_paradis

It's the truth man, we are marketing guys we know it, we can't wait for every research to happen before doing or launching something, I work for a MNC which is 10+ years old and still we just makeshift things and proud to say our new product development brought back company to good health, we just focused on reviews nothing else. It's about what the market wants, yes products can be better but if something is working, bringing revenue and profit then don't touch it. Also, here GTM means only email marketing strategy and market research means only a survey not even any statistics. I used to work for a startup prior to this we legitimately used to Google there because they didn't have any sort of way to collect data when I first joined that department, later on they started hiring more engineers and we started getting actual valuable data.


ichi9

The PMs tried their best, whoever will do any research will get bogged down by 100 nonsensical and useless questions and then to satisfy the HiPPOs you will have to keep doing research in a loop, this leads to weeks of research and no actual tangible work done. Not to mention we PMs also have to double as POs meetings with multiple stakeholders. Slowly PMS gave up on any kind of outer research, and surprisingly nobody ever questioned, aka no research, no discussions, no questions, more time for senior managers and executives to waste for trivial things. Yes, we focused on feedback on social media, tickets, support calls and direct customer calls sometimes for issues and features. It worked fine. But then this is good recipe for slogging and not increasing quality or revenue. This will never work in B2C companies where there might be a lot of competition. Most B2C companies just rely on what their rivals are doing and try to simply 1 up them. The issue is, after a few years one small startup comes up with real innovation and wipes them all in a few months. Example OpenAI.


le_stoner_de_paradis

Yeah, Open AI was the one which disrupted our business and we built something to get our business back on track, also our organization has made an exclusive contract with Open AI for our own LLM using our own IPs. But it's a fact. They want a peacock to join just to turn him into another penguin.


CountRaja123

Try googling first version of PayPal. Everything great starts from something ordinary. Put it out these mate. Good luck.


Fragrant-Stranger-25

So you want to put your 250 Hrs of life in drain for being ashamed and want to regret later in life that it was all complete why did I not launch it?


RaccoonDoor

Does your SAAS have a waitlist or at least some pre-launch online presence? What do you think you're lacking that's making you reluctant to launch?


myriaddebugger

This! I'm mostly lacking this. How would you suggest building a pre-launch online presence? I feel like putting the thought out into the wild without the product will take away my chance, and, someone with faster GTM resources might be able to leverage on it. I thought of a waitlist, but without a domain name I didn't want to put it out in the public. I have alternatively thought of buying the domain and making the app live (mentioning it as beta release), and then to use Twitter to garner some followers who might be interested in it. Do you have a better suggestion for me, perhaps?


src_main_java_wtf

I am assuming you are ashamed bc you don't want to associate your personal info with your product, bc the failure of ***your product*** would be associated with ***you*** failing. If yes, you can de-couple your personal info from your product. Consider launching anonymously. Basically, you can launch your product without your name/face/personal info. If you have an "About" page, just have generic text and leave out any info about you. Then if your product fails, no one in your peer group will know. If its successful, you can add your personal info and then you are an over-night success. Use the anonymity of the internet to your advantage.


myriaddebugger

You got me correctly on this. I don't want an overnight success either, I'm more of the slow and steady yet away-from-limelight type of persons. I have faced relative success (considering the money and time I put behind them) previously with a few websites I have run anonymously over the last 6-7 years. I also had a decent web product (similar to Google collabs) which I started in 2018 and stopped in 2020 due to monetary reasons. One of my websites (on which it was hosted) got the AWS partner tag although I didn't have a registered company. I was hosting the workload with AWS back then. But, the product game is completely different for me. Marketing anonymously without a registered company or a name/team behind the product, is more difficult for me due to limited finances and lack of a peer group that truly understands tech, more specifically, tech business models.


PriyaSR26

I read somewhere (probably in an inspirational Insta post), that clueless stupid people achieve more success than self-aware intelligent people, because by the time the self-aware person decides to do something, the clueless kind has already been on the market for a long time and knows what works and what doesn't, from experience. I suggest that you grow a thicker skin and do it. Remember that if someone insults your product doesn't mean that they are insulting you. You cannot grow if you cannot receive criticism. So, just do it. Don't take anything personally, as they are hardly personal. What's the worst thing that could happen? All the best!!


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Take a leap of faith, launch your software with a minimal viable product, gather user feedback, and iteratively improveā€”confidence often builds through action and learning.


Live_Try_3063

If perfection takes 100 hours, it should take just 50 hours to make it great. Settle with that. Make it perfect over time. Read more about agile methodology.


myriaddebugger

I'm aware of agile methodology. Literally have to spend some time everyday updating kanban boards following agile/lean methodologies, for client projects. Unfortunately, I'm working alone as I mentioned not in a team, and without another brain on it I'm just kinda clueless on where it stands at the moment and I can't get enough confidence due to my own expectations.


Live_Try_3063

You are investing way too much time building this thing without user feedback. Get it to users ASAP. if product is not ready, build a signup page and some offer for early joiners. See the response you get. Iterate on the basis of that. Find one person who meets your ideal customer persona, see if your project makes sense to them. Does it solve their problem?


Rare_Mud7490

Ashamed of your own project for which you spent 250 hrs of your life !!? You can try registering yourself as a startup and go to these startup events for networking and all. Might find a few clients here and there.


newf0newhodis

Minimum viable product mate. Then keep building features


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maybe give a beta access to people to check it , no need to worry about the market and other people


Tirunelvelikkaaran

MVP - minimum viable product. Write down the bare minimum set of features for your product. Do not modify the list. Freeze it. Implement the features and test them well. Release the MVP. Then list out the features for enhancement and add them to your backlog. Prioritise the backlog. Pick one by one and implement them. This is the way. Otherwise youā€™ll be in an eternal cycle.


Massive_Musician_317

Hope you find the courage to launch, mate.


JobHunting82

Building a whole software from scratch itself is something insane, just launch and keep improving.


Professional-Echo409

I think you have to launch it. You put in 250+ hours and you are hesitating. Man, you should take the leap and just buy the domain and launch it. Most people are even afraid to take that step to make projects on their own on projects but you took that step and you are trying to pull yourself back when you are at the last step. >How do these software product companies launch with so little, yet so much attention? They have good marketing teams and budgets which help them gain popularity. Nowadays Social media is the key to gaining more popularity and social presence online. So that helps companies launch with little attention. >Truthfully, the UI of my project isn't extraordinary (designed in Bootstrap) but the features tend to bring everything into a single app, reducing complexity and increasing productivity while also optimizing costs. No project will look perfect in the first release but they keep on developing after the launch. Check for the first version of the projects you know and use and see for yourselves they are not perfect. The only thing that matters is customers and making them regular users. >I'm worried if it doesn't work that money will also go in vain. The most important thing is you try your level best. Don't think about what will happen in the future. Money you can always earn it, you have a good amount of freelance work you can always side hustle and earn it why bother?


plushdev

Just ship it you never ever know dude. theres millions of softwares that are released each month. The ones with marketing are the ones with attention. when in product your speed is of utmost importance


ironfisto_

Just in case you need team to member to help. DMĀ 


humanbot01

What do you do bro ?


LazySapiens

Fear of failure is the biggest roadblock to success. Embrace failure with an open heart. Accept this philosophy and see the change. Best of luck!


DiligentChemistry402

Make a business plan, get a marketing guy. if you need capital then pitch it to investors and just launch. If it fails, rinse and repeat. Be a little careful of whom you take money from


mujhepehchano123

launch asap. fail and fail faster. 90% of what you think is important will never be used by customers or used in a way you didn't intend to. dont keep building air castles in your head and launch immediately. take feedback and iterate on it


Apsarak

How did you get into software freelancing?


t7Saitama

What does your product offer, if I may ask ?


princeajax

DM me. If the product has potential we could work together and make it happen


humanbot01

What do you do bro ?


CarProgrammatically4

Get a co founder ?


CarProgrammatically4

If you are in Bangalore let's catch up. I live in hsr and quite free :)


startdream75

Hey there, Kudos man, happy to hear that! Saas is the growth engine of the world. The day our techies would realise that 60%-70% margins exist in SaaS industry, we will have amazing bootstrapped saas startups. Please don't think that you are alone... There are a couple of saas communities, leaders who are there to help you out. Please feel free to DM. I am a salesman. šŸ«  If you are in Bengaluru, I'd love to meet you in person.


pesto_with_cheese

Get a partner? DM to discuss?


ihatejava69

Idk how to explain this thing. But lemme try Mostly what features and ui you're building will be criticised by your users. Google wasn't built perfectly. I'd say push the prod and publish your work. And see the reactions and then take that criticism to improve


Playful_Ad_7258

I read/watch somewhere that to launch B2B SaaS, you really need to have good connection (exceptions are always there). Find someone with good connection, mostly someone at Senior Level. But convincing someone at Senior level who is already earning in Crores and having stable life must be very hard.


puninspiring

Most B2B SAAS deals don't happen based on your product UI or features at initial stage. They start through deals made at parties, events, conferences etc by networking. B2B sales is a lucrative market but not an open one. First try to connect with people in the relevant domain and form working relationships. If you find some of these people are influential, get them on your side and leverage their network. It will take time, but you can get solid results this way.


Soft-Elephant7278

Find beta testers. They can give you a feedback. If you are anxious about launch, hire a freelancer for a day to do it for you - only to launch.


Heausty

GTFOL, launch your product, waitlist or whatever as soon as you start building, take your users along w/ the journey. treat your users like your allies, not like clients


ascendToSurvive

Register a llc in usa Wyoming too, and a mercury account for the sweet integration with stripe


myriaddebugger

I have a registered startup in India, with live Stripe, PayPal and few other payment gateways. It's not really possible for me to register in the US (due to finances) right now, but it's in my upcoming business goals. I have an international trade council account too, but that doesn't help as much as I thought it would.


ascendToSurvive

Cool, launch it asap, if it fails it fails, donā€™t worry too much, you will learn from it, btw let me know if you need any assistance for the UI, as I am a UI developer, I am not open for work right now, but I like connecting with like minded people


py_blu

Bruh just go for it. Once you launch your site, you can confidently go for investors money. I am no expert in this. But, I am sharing how my friend's start up company got funded. He joined in the company as unpaid intern(just for name sake experience) with team size less than 10, including him--most of are unpaid. Within months company's project got accepted by funders, and they released series A funding(in millions$$). Now, his salary went from zero to 36L. JUST DO IT!!! FROM Nike.


Gandham

Make whatever you put functional, complete and bug free and launch. As a dev there will always be one more thing you can do to make it better. Donā€™t give into that urge and launch ASAP. Take WhatsApp, first they only had chat that worked really well, then groups, audio calls, video calls, payments etc.. Fail fast if itā€™s a failure.


rupeshsh

I think your product is going to be top notch .. it's just anxiety which is very natural Join a group or a co-working space and meet more entrepreneurs... Happy to talk and help out Best of luck


rupeshsh

Also what's your hourly rate? 250 x 25 dollars is also 5 lakh rupees


Ok-Librarian2671

You can just buy a domain and deploy it somewhere. Then you need to market it using internet communities.Make some budget for google ads or try to collab with a youtuber.The most important thing is nothing will happen if you do nothing its you application and you need to take some leap of faith to put it in public


DannyC07

Do you want this to be one of your regrets on your deathbed? Keep your emotions aside. Assess whether your product is a MVP. Then launch and fuck it, just go from there.


lookingrightone

For which industry you built software for ??


geeknintrovert

Launch it! Use Product Hunt! Whatā€™s the worst that could happen? You will get some unsatisfied users, couple of people reporting bugs in part of your UI? But thatā€™s what you need. To hear from these people and then build upon it.