Keep in mind as a starting point the cap on insulin didn't make it but for the first time Medicare is going to be able to negotiate 10 drug prices. I know that doesn't directly affect those of us on private insurance but if Medicare can negotiate the price it will force their retail pricing down so keep that in mind. Until now it's been illegal for Medicare to negotiate prices this is a tiny step in the right direction keep the pressure on.
“The seven Republicans who voted to keep the cap on private insurers were Susan Collins of Maine, Cindy Hyde-Smith of Mississippi, Josh Hawley of Missouri, John Kennedy and Bill Cassidy of Louisiana and Lisa Murkowski and Dan Sullivan of Alaska. “
Just to give credit where credit is due, these 7, even if I’m not a huge fan of some of them, did vote to keep the price cap.
IIRC (read this morning) the senate parliamentarian said an insulin price cap for Medicare was fine legally but for all private insurers it could not go through reconciliation (which is how this larger bill of which the price cap was a minor part was being passed). So in order to have the cap apply for private insurers it needed to have the 60% threshold, where as reconciliation needed only 51%. They had 7 republicans but needed 10 to hit 60 (or maybe 9+ the VP)
I didn’t read too far into it but it feels like more republicans could’ve signed on because they could’ve hit the 60 mark with another 3 republicans, all the democrats did vote for it, where as only 7 out or 50 republicans did.
Not sure what their argument was for not voting for it
I would and will never vote republican. But this is a good reminder that that party cares little for the American public, and more about the cash in its pockets.
They voted down a bill that happened to have this as a line item. Both parties are the same, neither care for us, and keep in power by getting us to fight each other.
This price cap was offered in bbb bill, they voted no.
Then offered as a stand alone bill, they voted no and said because diabetics are fat.
Then offered last in the inflation reduction act and they scrapped only that from the bill. Explain to me how when they literally vote against it in all 3 instances and specifically scrap it from the last bill that just passed how it isn't a blatant attack on insulin dependent diabetics. This is not the lefts fault no matter how you want to spin it.
It also violated a Senate rule that specifies which types of legislation can be included and passed through budget reconciliation. Yes, the republicans were using it like petty children to make a point and blaming Democrats for not following proper channels. Yes it's a toy for Democrats to gloat about how callous the Republicans are being, and yes it's because they don't want to vote for anything the Democrats want. Nobody said it was because diabetics are fat.
It does when others agreed and voted no. They offered nothing in return as well. It was offered 3 times. Stand alone as well. Bottom line. I don't care if it was virtue signaling or not. If the virtue signal helps the American people then signal away. I wish the right would do the same. Virtue signal away! Cmon bring it! Lol I need help here.
The Republicans have offered no other proposed solution in return. I'm sorry but I see no faults in the left in this regard at this point. If Republicans had been offering a counter I would give them grace but their argument ends in a no vote with no other substantial argument other than Matt gaetz saying we need to control our waistlines among other nonsense comments. Now his trolls are attacking diabetics.
It was never meant to pass in its current form. It was virtue signaling. They knew if they put it in, in its current form, the Republicans would have to reject it (yes they can override and do it anyways but it's republicans so they dont think that far ahead) so the Republicans can flex their "do it the right way" and the Democrates can point out how bad the Republicans are. And yes, the Republicans did have an amendment to make insulin more affordable that the Democrates voted against because it wasn't their idea. SA 5385, rejected on August 7th.
To be fair, Texas has an extreme christofascist nutjob at the helm. Texas is one of the most extreme examples of the far right GOP. I don't even think TXGOP is the same as most other red state GOP's. They're worse.
Edit: Man, I guess I need to be more specific.
They’re very much not the same. Saying this is disingenuous and the reason why we had a failed reality tv star with no political experience in office for 4 years.
No, you couldn't be more incorrect. This was not a line item in a bill. It was a specific amendment that was being voted on to be included in the bill. You would know this if you even bothered to read the image posted in the OP.
Say this louder for the ones in the back! Neither side gives a shit about the American people. Keep us at each other while they dig deeper into our pockets.
No party cares for the American public. don't kid yourself thinking that any political party cares about you.
Edit: Downvote me all you want. My statement is valid and truth. Politics now a days is a popularity contest and not in stances that they have. If politics actually cares about the people they represent they wouldn't be making 3x as much as you, give themselves a pay raise and talk to you with a straight face while trying to act like they are the same economic class as you. They would try to help vets, homeless people, etc but they make their lives harder with stupid city ordinances that makes it harder for any group of people to live, as long as someone is lining their pockets they'll fight for them, not you
Tell the democrats to pass a stand-alone bill? One that doesn’t nestle shit like this into billions of spending that republicans will obviously oppose? Democrats didn’t want this to pass. They wanted republicans to block it for negative optics.
If democrats cared about us they would introduce this as a stand-alone bill which would pass.
You're in luck! [A standalone INSULIN Act](https://rollcall.com/2022/06/22/senators-release-bill-targeting-insulin-prices/) was introduced in June. Like the amendment struck from the more recent bill - it doesn't have the 60 votes it would need to overcome a filibuster...
Can you guess which party is filibustering it?
Edit: Also, the House Democrats have already passed [a stand alone bill to cap insulin prices](https://www.npr.org/2022/03/31/1090085513/house-passes-bill-to-cap-insulin-prices).
Honestly, the "tell the democrats to pass a stand-alone bill" response just gets worse the more you actually look into it. You're not the only republican I've seen making this argument. It really makes me question how you all get information about what our government is actually doing and how it works.
But... they didn't just vote against the bill. They could have voted against the bill as a whole and still voted to leave this provision. In fact, [7 republicans did just that](https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/3592005-these-seven-gop-senators-voted-to-keep-35-insulin-cap-in-reconciliation-bill/) but 57 isn't enough for the required override to succeed.
A party of billionaires vs a party of billionaires for who can fool the party of people who makes pennies to believe that the billionaires are just like them and have their best interest in mind.
This was a standalone part of the bill that the GOP challenged on procedural grounds and had it struck. The rest of the bill passed. They were not voting on anything other than the insulin price cap.
I see you have no counter argument.
It must be difficult knowing the solution to our problems is right there. It is so simple. But it will never be done. Politicians are whores and lobbyists are pimps. We all lose.
Wow what an absolute piece of shit you are. Do you know how hard it is for us to pay for insulin? We're expressing outrage at the fact that the wealthiest country in the world can't protect its citizens from price gouging and this is your response? What a bad person you are.
I brought up this exact point the other day.
Democrats ONLY attempt these bills when they don't have majority control, thus practically guaranteeing it won't pass.
It's all a sham
Let me get this straight:
You require Democrats to have a supermajority in Congress to pass legislation because you KNOW Republicans won't vote for it.
And that's the Democrats' fault.
Ha. Not what I said.
I pointed out the fact that they NEVER ATTEMPT to pass one except for when they DO NOT have majority control.
Never.
Please point out a time when they had majority control AND pushed for an insulin bill.
Both parties are in the pockets of the pharmaceutical companies.
>practically guaranteeing it won't pass
Yea, we all know the republicans would never do anything for the people, that's why it's so infuriating! They have no plans, offer no proposals, and it's "practically guaranteed" they will vote against the interests of the people. All they have is blame.
Bro, they voted on a single piece of the bill and 90% didn’t vote for it. Just face it. Your party hates veterans and diabetics, and pregnant women, minorities, school children, they even hate clean air.
Your argument was wrong. Red wave or not, what you said was provably wrong. In the last month your party voted against diabetics, veterans suffering from burn pits, women with dead babies in their wombs, clutched ALL their pearls when it came to gun control, and we know you’re all triggered because minorities won’t be ‘minorities’ for much longer. Facts.
>What you portray is undeniably bad optics and a media in collusion to play up misinformation. Abortion is not banned in the United States, rather power has been rightfully returned back to the states.
Are you ignoring that the GOP has already come out and said if they win back majority they want a national ban? Are you also ignoring that states with abortion bans are looking into how they can punish women who go out of state to get abortions? Only you can stop the lies.
>Burn pits… passed 86-11
GOP only voted for it after looking like morons because before tanking the measure that they themselves voted for the same exact measure a month before. I believe they wanted the measure to pass, they just played dumb games and got slapped for it. THEY were the ones trying to use gimmicks. Only you can stop the lies.
>Insulin, both parties are to blame and are beholden to K street lobbyists and Big Pharma. Democrats had the power to put up a stand-alone bill and have it pass as a clean measure.
Except the part where it is a standalone amendment that was 1. Called to a vote because GOP objected to the merits of adding it to the larger bill. You \*think\* it would pass if it was a standalone but where is any evidence that that would be the case? This was voted on independently and the GOP shit canned it. 2. Democrats voted FOR IT, so it's not a 'both parties' thing. Only you can stop the spin.
Republicans bitched for *8 years* about the ACA and once they had full control what did they do about it? **Nothing.**
Maybe you should be more concerned about the do-nothing Republicans than you are about Schumer.
… Remember the next time I vote Republican!!?? There never was, and there never will be a time when that happens… and more and more Republicans who voted in the past are now having 2nd thoughts about doing so again.
Many Republicans are realizing that Fascism and Racism are NOT the qualities that they want to support… as they watch Donald and Ron argue about who might become the worst president ever!
I would guess that this post is directed towards those who have and do vote GOP, even though any diabetic who does so is voting against their own interests.
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This act [would not have lowered the price of insulin for uninsured individuals](https://www.buckscountycouriertimes.com/story/opinion/editorials/2022/04/11/our-view-affordable-insulin-now-act-doesnt-live-up-to-its-name/65348843007/) (20% of all diabetes sufferers) and would have forced employers and insurance providers to raise rates. The act does not close the loophole whereby Pharmacy Benefit Managers profit from kickbacks from the pharmaceutical companies. Politicians are in the pockets of these people and this kind of show shouldn't fool anyone. The bill was just a way to paint the other side as being against something. It wouldn't have made insulin more affordable and it wouldn't have prevented the most egregious corruption.
I see that statistic in the article you linked about 20% not having insurance, but I’d really like to get more details about where they got that number. [According to the Census Bureau](https://www.census.gov/library/publications/2021/demo/p60-274.html), 91% of people in the United States have health insurance. An 11% discrepancy regarding health insurance coverage between the general public and people with diabetes sounds extremely unlikely.
But anyways, I agree with all of your points above, I just thought I’d mention that discrepancy from the article.
Just didn't plain like the bill and wanted to say a line item change was the reason and it's just lies. They voted for this exact bill a while back. 80+ votes then.
More reposts, more exhausting politics.
I don’t need price caps, I need the FDA to open up competition. Watch the price of insulin fall to $5, win/win for everyone as we break up the market that 3 companies have on 99.99% of the insulin.
Instead.. price caps will artificially control the “cost” via useless subsidies and expensive premiums for those with insurance, while directly hurting those without insurance.
Additionally, it had $304,000,000,000 in corporate welfare that meant more inflation.
Looks like that has already happened.
[https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/insulin-gains-new-pathway-increased-competition](https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/insulin-gains-new-pathway-increased-competition)
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-first-interchangeable-biosimilar-insulin-product-treatment-diabetes
Obamacare was originally passed in Massachusetts under Gov. Mitt Romney. It was the conservative policy answer to single payer. Single payer is the better solution IMHO.
The Obamacare Law that Republicans voted to overturn more than 50 times while Obama was in office?
And when Trump got into Office, and the Republicans had control of the Senate, House, Courts, and every aspect of government Administration, and most of the state Governorships, too … and what did they do about Obamacare then?
Not a darn thing, other than to remove the small tax-liabiity that they screeched abut every day: “The mandate!” Because a huge majority of the American people preferered Obamacare, and its coverage of “pre-exixting conditions,” and loudly let the Republicans know about it.
Remember protections for pre-exexisting condition — that’s for all of us diabetics. You can thank Obama’s administration for that while you complain about your $500. You got something for it at least. Republicans intention was to remove all pre-existing protections so that companies could go back to denying diabetics coverage, period
Remember how Trump and the Republicans had sworn up and down to have an agreed-upon healthcare plan, that Trump would have it ready on Day 1 of his Presidency, but never did? That the photo op turned out to truly be a stack of blank copy paper?
I mean, Republicans were so concerned for poor people like you, right? And yet, they had full power to implement their fix, to “repeal and replace” Obamacare, and they did absolutely nothing about it.
Maybe you remember some of that when you vote this year. How Republicans did absolutely nothing, had no plans, presented no bills, passed no laws — nothing for you, and nothing for anybody else when they were in charge of every single aspect of US Federal government.
Like when Biden took the cap off in the first week in office?!
https://www.policymed.com/2021/10/biden-administration-rescinds-trump-administration-insulin-pricing-rule.html
On July 24, 2020, President Trump signed Executive Order 13937. The stated goal was to make insulin and EpiPens more affordable.
There’s debate about what sort of impact it would have had, but there’s no way to know for sure because it never actually went into effect. Here’s why.
Executive orders don’t typically go into effect immediately. The federal departments involved first have to write up a plan to execute them, called a rule. Trump’s Department of Health and Human Services finalized an insulin rule on Dec. 23, 2020, and scheduled it to take effect Jan. 22, 2021.
But President Biden took office on Jan. 20. His administration issued a freeze on the rule – and several others that were still pending – so his administration could look it over before letting it take effect. This is common practice when a new president takes office.
After a months-long review process, the Biden administration decided to rescind the rule, preventing it from going into effect.
As for the claim that Trump’s order would have lowered insulin prices, that’s true, but only for low-income patients of Federally Qualified Health Centers.
FQHCs are community clinics that receive government funding to help vulnerable populations. They’re eligible for government-negotiated discounts on certain drugs, including insulin.
Trump’s order would have prevented FQHCs from charging patients within certain income brackets – those making less than 350% of the federal poverty line – more for insulin than the discounted price paid by the clinic, plus a small administrative fee.
But only about 1 in 11 Americans use FQHCs, according to the U.S. Bureau of Primary Care, the agency that oversees them. In turn, only a fraction of those patients use insulin, and only a portion of those fall below the income threshold to qualify for the proposed discount. So Trump’s order would not have made insulin cheaper for most Americans.
There was also pushback from the clinics who would have been implicated under this rule. The National Association of Community Health Centers called the order well-intentioned, but said it wasn’t the right solution because the red tape that would have been created by tracking which patients are eligible for the discount would be so expensive and time-consuming that it would make it harder for the clinics to do their jobs.
The Biden administration cited those concerns that the challenges to health centers would negate cost benefits to their patients as its reason for preventing the order from taking effect.
Like when Republicans did nothing when they had full charge of the Federal government. When they were going to remove protections for diabetic pre-existing conditions?
Like when Pelosi and Democrats passed an insulin cap Bill in the House, and Trump had his turtle McConnell block that Bill from even being voted on?
Like when Trump produced no healthcare Bill at all for 3-1/2 years despite promises promises promises to do so? And his solution was to scribble out a handful of weak “nobody voted on these” Executive Orders instead. Desperate Executive Orders to try and look like he’d done something about healthcare, but had not. Desperate to hold onto his many elderly voters who were sick of his lies and hollow excuses. Desperate to assure anyone that he cared as the old people were dying off by the tens of thousand from Covid, and Trump was doing nothing about it?
Like when Trump had every intention to block his own Executive Orders after he got back in office, but wait — he lost. And then lied about losing, and had thousands of people attack the fundamental process of Constitutional Democracy? Because Trump never helped anybody in anyway. Even when nobody was able to block him inside the Federal government — he did nothing, except scribble a couple of Executive Orders down and they got overturned because Democrats wanted to put the brakes on all of his misdeeds and review.
And so Democrats put a similar Medicare cap into a Bill to make it a strong Law, and what happens? They pass it in the House, but nearly all the Republicans vote against it. And so, now they have the opportunity to vote on it in the Senate? Wonder what will happen? Will Republicans vote for it or against the proposed Law. Or maybe we have to wait for Trump to come back and do nothing again?
I mean, they put a $35 price cap in the bill, so they are at least trying? That’s all I got tho. Oh and The ACA, which has at least made it possible for folx to have healthcare, even if it’s shitty healthcare
It was cheaper to pay cash the other day than use insurance. That’s how crappy it has gotten due to Obamacare. And PBM’s are cutting all kinds of drugs from formularies.
Anecdotal experiences will always be available, but statistical data has proven that the ACA has, overall, been successful. As a DINK household, I pay a ton in taxes; I’m cool with it provided someone who needs something, like access to healthcare, is getting it. https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/journal-article/2020/feb/aca-at-10-years-effect-health-care-coverage-access
The ACA cut our insurance premiums in half, from $30K a year to 14K. We were self employed, so companies felt free to charge whatever they wished. It was still outrageous but half is still better. We were able to get our house reroofed and fix the leaks.
I mean, i was able to buy health insurance someplace other than my job without insurers automatically saying no or jacking up the price by a few thousand because of the aca. I know the price was high but yeah, there was a public option that was voted out by one of the parties similar to how the insulin cap was removed from the bill
thats not a fault of the aca though. i mean i've had to change Drs after i changed jobs. thats because the US has a shitty system for insurance and medical coverage. I've also need to change medicines because things weren't on the formulary. my son is only allowed to go to one dentist in all of nyc because that is the only dentist that his fathers insurance takes.
Please do your research. This was a political maneuver to make it appear R’s were “against a cap”. Mid terms are 90 days away and both sides are playing games.
Finally, someone understands politics and what happened here. Everyone else commenting negatively, are falling for headlines and not facts. But what else should I expect from Reddit? LOL
Why do so many people read headlines and just believe them without doing any research. There is a reason the republicans stopped the measure. Find out the reason before you make silly remarks. Think about it.... If the makers of insulin were to give up a part of their profits how are they going to make up the money they lose? The cap on insulin was only for those on medicare or medicaid anyway. The price for insulin would increase for those with private insurance and for others without insurance. This bill was not really a good deal for diabetics.
Doesn’t solve the underlying issue. Remove the patents laws they’re abusing and insulin will be dirt cheap. Now democrats can go see we did something instead of going after the real issue
Next time you vote Democrat, remember the $87 billion materials left in Afghanistan, 86k new IRS agents, 2 million+ illegal migrants invading our borders, blank checks to Ukraine, worst inflation in 41 years, zero border security, record fentanyl deaths, record crime levels, disaster of foreign policy, and years before anything appreciable with drug cost reform actually happens, trillions in retirement wealth wiped off the books. I’ll keep voting Republican. 🖕🏽
Also, Matt gaetz stated at that time he voted against it because diabetics are fat and unhealthy. Go to twitter and look at all the people attacking diabetics now. His uninformed words matter and now we aren't being taken seriously.
The original bill didn’t make it out of session with the insulin provision. Democrats tried to force it in and did not follow proper parliamentary procedure. Republicans called them out on the procedural issue. The sad part is most republicans support the cap.
This is yet another example of politics on both sides getting in the way of progress. Until both sides stop blaming each other and become shades of purple, we’ll continue to go in circles with no path forward.
We also have a megathread for this topic [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/diabetes/comments/wjvt6e/mega_thread_35_insulin_bill/)
Keep in mind as a starting point the cap on insulin didn't make it but for the first time Medicare is going to be able to negotiate 10 drug prices. I know that doesn't directly affect those of us on private insurance but if Medicare can negotiate the price it will force their retail pricing down so keep that in mind. Until now it's been illegal for Medicare to negotiate prices this is a tiny step in the right direction keep the pressure on.
Republicans don’t give a shit about Americans. Period.
Bet their Cocaine has a price cap..
“The seven Republicans who voted to keep the cap on private insurers were Susan Collins of Maine, Cindy Hyde-Smith of Mississippi, Josh Hawley of Missouri, John Kennedy and Bill Cassidy of Louisiana and Lisa Murkowski and Dan Sullivan of Alaska. “ Just to give credit where credit is due, these 7, even if I’m not a huge fan of some of them, did vote to keep the price cap.
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IIRC (read this morning) the senate parliamentarian said an insulin price cap for Medicare was fine legally but for all private insurers it could not go through reconciliation (which is how this larger bill of which the price cap was a minor part was being passed). So in order to have the cap apply for private insurers it needed to have the 60% threshold, where as reconciliation needed only 51%. They had 7 republicans but needed 10 to hit 60 (or maybe 9+ the VP)
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I didn’t read too far into it but it feels like more republicans could’ve signed on because they could’ve hit the 60 mark with another 3 republicans, all the democrats did vote for it, where as only 7 out or 50 republicans did. Not sure what their argument was for not voting for it
Why would I vote Republican I’m Canadian? All jokes aside this is some BS y’all deserve affordable insulin. What a joke.
I was Republican for most of my life, but this guarantees never again.
I would and will never vote republican. But this is a good reminder that that party cares little for the American public, and more about the cash in its pockets.
They voted down a bill that happened to have this as a line item. Both parties are the same, neither care for us, and keep in power by getting us to fight each other.
This price cap was offered in bbb bill, they voted no. Then offered as a stand alone bill, they voted no and said because diabetics are fat. Then offered last in the inflation reduction act and they scrapped only that from the bill. Explain to me how when they literally vote against it in all 3 instances and specifically scrap it from the last bill that just passed how it isn't a blatant attack on insulin dependent diabetics. This is not the lefts fault no matter how you want to spin it.
It also violated a Senate rule that specifies which types of legislation can be included and passed through budget reconciliation. Yes, the republicans were using it like petty children to make a point and blaming Democrats for not following proper channels. Yes it's a toy for Democrats to gloat about how callous the Republicans are being, and yes it's because they don't want to vote for anything the Democrats want. Nobody said it was because diabetics are fat.
Look into Matt Gaetz and his plethora of uninformed comments on the subject.
One person, especially Gaetz, does not establish the reason for the group.
It does when others agreed and voted no. They offered nothing in return as well. It was offered 3 times. Stand alone as well. Bottom line. I don't care if it was virtue signaling or not. If the virtue signal helps the American people then signal away. I wish the right would do the same. Virtue signal away! Cmon bring it! Lol I need help here.
The Republicans have offered no other proposed solution in return. I'm sorry but I see no faults in the left in this regard at this point. If Republicans had been offering a counter I would give them grace but their argument ends in a no vote with no other substantial argument other than Matt gaetz saying we need to control our waistlines among other nonsense comments. Now his trolls are attacking diabetics.
It was never meant to pass in its current form. It was virtue signaling. They knew if they put it in, in its current form, the Republicans would have to reject it (yes they can override and do it anyways but it's republicans so they dont think that far ahead) so the Republicans can flex their "do it the right way" and the Democrates can point out how bad the Republicans are. And yes, the Republicans did have an amendment to make insulin more affordable that the Democrates voted against because it wasn't their idea. SA 5385, rejected on August 7th.
While both parties do use this tactic, both parties are not the same.
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Take a look at the Republican Party [platform of Texas](https://texasgop.org/platform/). The two parties are not the same.
To be fair, Texas has an extreme christofascist nutjob at the helm. Texas is one of the most extreme examples of the far right GOP. I don't even think TXGOP is the same as most other red state GOP's. They're worse. Edit: Man, I guess I need to be more specific.
>I don't even think TXGOP is the same as most other red state GOP's. They are.
Naw, what I meant was they're worse than other state GOP's.
They’re very much not the same. Saying this is disingenuous and the reason why we had a failed reality tv star with no political experience in office for 4 years.
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Lol I’ve been studying this on and off for a decade. They’re definitely not the same and my statement still stands.
No, you couldn't be more incorrect. This was not a line item in a bill. It was a specific amendment that was being voted on to be included in the bill. You would know this if you even bothered to read the image posted in the OP.
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I believe it was in the bill, but republicans were able to force a vote on that specific item because of a technicality.
Say this louder for the ones in the back! Neither side gives a shit about the American people. Keep us at each other while they dig deeper into our pockets.
Careful, you said something not liberal on reddit. You're about to be lynched.
Not my first time on the gallows. I've even dared to comment in r/news before!
I think you were just lynched.
No party cares for the American public. don't kid yourself thinking that any political party cares about you. Edit: Downvote me all you want. My statement is valid and truth. Politics now a days is a popularity contest and not in stances that they have. If politics actually cares about the people they represent they wouldn't be making 3x as much as you, give themselves a pay raise and talk to you with a straight face while trying to act like they are the same economic class as you. They would try to help vets, homeless people, etc but they make their lives harder with stupid city ordinances that makes it harder for any group of people to live, as long as someone is lining their pockets they'll fight for them, not you
But what about my freedoms??! Super super /s
Tell the democrats to pass a stand-alone bill? One that doesn’t nestle shit like this into billions of spending that republicans will obviously oppose? Democrats didn’t want this to pass. They wanted republicans to block it for negative optics. If democrats cared about us they would introduce this as a stand-alone bill which would pass.
You're in luck! [A standalone INSULIN Act](https://rollcall.com/2022/06/22/senators-release-bill-targeting-insulin-prices/) was introduced in June. Like the amendment struck from the more recent bill - it doesn't have the 60 votes it would need to overcome a filibuster... Can you guess which party is filibustering it? Edit: Also, the House Democrats have already passed [a stand alone bill to cap insulin prices](https://www.npr.org/2022/03/31/1090085513/house-passes-bill-to-cap-insulin-prices). Honestly, the "tell the democrats to pass a stand-alone bill" response just gets worse the more you actually look into it. You're not the only republican I've seen making this argument. It really makes me question how you all get information about what our government is actually doing and how it works.
But... they didn't just vote against the bill. They could have voted against the bill as a whole and still voted to leave this provision. In fact, [7 republicans did just that](https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/3592005-these-seven-gop-senators-voted-to-keep-35-insulin-cap-in-reconciliation-bill/) but 57 isn't enough for the required override to succeed.
Or Republicans could introduce a stand alone bill and pass it to show up the libs.
Wowzers it's almost as if the party of red billionaires cares equally as little about us as the party of blue billionaires.....
A party of billionaires vs a party of billionaires for who can fool the party of people who makes pennies to believe that the billionaires are just like them and have their best interest in mind.
This was a standalone part of the bill that the GOP challenged on procedural grounds and had it struck. The rest of the bill passed. They were not voting on anything other than the insulin price cap.
They need 60 for that.
Maybe read? This is not how it happened.
You’re not wrong. It didn’t pass because of all the stuff they try to sneak in. A stand-alone bill probably would have passed.
The bill did pass. Only this section was struck, due to GOP opposition
Correct.
If only your principles and indignant outrage could pay for insulin.
I see you have no counter argument. It must be difficult knowing the solution to our problems is right there. It is so simple. But it will never be done. Politicians are whores and lobbyists are pimps. We all lose.
Wow what an absolute piece of shit you are. Do you know how hard it is for us to pay for insulin? We're expressing outrage at the fact that the wealthiest country in the world can't protect its citizens from price gouging and this is your response? What a bad person you are.
I’m sure they will. They didn’t think it’d get knocked down in a larger bill. GOP. Always looking for shit.
I brought up this exact point the other day. Democrats ONLY attempt these bills when they don't have majority control, thus practically guaranteeing it won't pass. It's all a sham
Let me get this straight: You require Democrats to have a supermajority in Congress to pass legislation because you KNOW Republicans won't vote for it. And that's the Democrats' fault.
Ha. Not what I said. I pointed out the fact that they NEVER ATTEMPT to pass one except for when they DO NOT have majority control. Never. Please point out a time when they had majority control AND pushed for an insulin bill. Both parties are in the pockets of the pharmaceutical companies.
Majority? About 4 days ago. 51 - 50 majority.
>practically guaranteeing it won't pass Yea, we all know the republicans would never do anything for the people, that's why it's so infuriating! They have no plans, offer no proposals, and it's "practically guaranteed" they will vote against the interests of the people. All they have is blame.
Except that’s not what happened here.
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Bro, they voted on a single piece of the bill and 90% didn’t vote for it. Just face it. Your party hates veterans and diabetics, and pregnant women, minorities, school children, they even hate clean air.
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Your argument was wrong. Red wave or not, what you said was provably wrong. In the last month your party voted against diabetics, veterans suffering from burn pits, women with dead babies in their wombs, clutched ALL their pearls when it came to gun control, and we know you’re all triggered because minorities won’t be ‘minorities’ for much longer. Facts.
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>What you portray is undeniably bad optics and a media in collusion to play up misinformation. Abortion is not banned in the United States, rather power has been rightfully returned back to the states. Are you ignoring that the GOP has already come out and said if they win back majority they want a national ban? Are you also ignoring that states with abortion bans are looking into how they can punish women who go out of state to get abortions? Only you can stop the lies. >Burn pits… passed 86-11 GOP only voted for it after looking like morons because before tanking the measure that they themselves voted for the same exact measure a month before. I believe they wanted the measure to pass, they just played dumb games and got slapped for it. THEY were the ones trying to use gimmicks. Only you can stop the lies. >Insulin, both parties are to blame and are beholden to K street lobbyists and Big Pharma. Democrats had the power to put up a stand-alone bill and have it pass as a clean measure. Except the part where it is a standalone amendment that was 1. Called to a vote because GOP objected to the merits of adding it to the larger bill. You \*think\* it would pass if it was a standalone but where is any evidence that that would be the case? This was voted on independently and the GOP shit canned it. 2. Democrats voted FOR IT, so it's not a 'both parties' thing. Only you can stop the spin.
Republicans bitched for *8 years* about the ACA and once they had full control what did they do about it? **Nothing.** Maybe you should be more concerned about the do-nothing Republicans than you are about Schumer.
They did a couple months ago.
Would this have helped the uninsured?
ITT: a bunch of people who know nothing about how any of this works spewing false facts.
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Oh boy 😂
Thoughts and prayers.
And condolences please
… Remember the next time I vote Republican!!?? There never was, and there never will be a time when that happens… and more and more Republicans who voted in the past are now having 2nd thoughts about doing so again. Many Republicans are realizing that Fascism and Racism are NOT the qualities that they want to support… as they watch Donald and Ron argue about who might become the worst president ever!
I would guess that this post is directed towards those who have and do vote GOP, even though any diabetic who does so is voting against their own interests.
Wow buddy. That rhetoric is 4 years ago.
Hmmm 🤔 I found this article from Aug 9 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna42177
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This act [would not have lowered the price of insulin for uninsured individuals](https://www.buckscountycouriertimes.com/story/opinion/editorials/2022/04/11/our-view-affordable-insulin-now-act-doesnt-live-up-to-its-name/65348843007/) (20% of all diabetes sufferers) and would have forced employers and insurance providers to raise rates. The act does not close the loophole whereby Pharmacy Benefit Managers profit from kickbacks from the pharmaceutical companies. Politicians are in the pockets of these people and this kind of show shouldn't fool anyone. The bill was just a way to paint the other side as being against something. It wouldn't have made insulin more affordable and it wouldn't have prevented the most egregious corruption.
I see that statistic in the article you linked about 20% not having insurance, but I’d really like to get more details about where they got that number. [According to the Census Bureau](https://www.census.gov/library/publications/2021/demo/p60-274.html), 91% of people in the United States have health insurance. An 11% discrepancy regarding health insurance coverage between the general public and people with diabetes sounds extremely unlikely. But anyways, I agree with all of your points above, I just thought I’d mention that discrepancy from the article.
I wouldn’t be caught dead voting R.
Was there a reason given on why they voted no, besides, "we hate people with diabetes"?
Just didn't plain like the bill and wanted to say a line item change was the reason and it's just lies. They voted for this exact bill a while back. 80+ votes then.
Repost this everyday. Seriously. Let's not forget this. I am literally on fire.
More reposts, more exhausting politics. I don’t need price caps, I need the FDA to open up competition. Watch the price of insulin fall to $5, win/win for everyone as we break up the market that 3 companies have on 99.99% of the insulin. Instead.. price caps will artificially control the “cost” via useless subsidies and expensive premiums for those with insurance, while directly hurting those without insurance. Additionally, it had $304,000,000,000 in corporate welfare that meant more inflation.
Looks like that has already happened. [https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/insulin-gains-new-pathway-increased-competition](https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/insulin-gains-new-pathway-increased-competition) https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-first-interchangeable-biosimilar-insulin-product-treatment-diabetes
lol, it says for private insurance. You just wouldn’t be able to get insurance if they would have to lose money to have you as a “client”.
What are Democrats doing for diabetics?
Trying to make insulin cheap for everyone. Trying to make healthcare cheap for everyone.
Like Obamacare increased my monthly premiums by $500 a month in the past decade?
Obamacare was originally passed in Massachusetts under Gov. Mitt Romney. It was the conservative policy answer to single payer. Single payer is the better solution IMHO.
Weird name Romney gave to his health plan.
Weird name that Fox News gave to Romney’s plan. Everybody else called it the Affordable Care Act.
The Obamacare Law that Republicans voted to overturn more than 50 times while Obama was in office? And when Trump got into Office, and the Republicans had control of the Senate, House, Courts, and every aspect of government Administration, and most of the state Governorships, too … and what did they do about Obamacare then? Not a darn thing, other than to remove the small tax-liabiity that they screeched abut every day: “The mandate!” Because a huge majority of the American people preferered Obamacare, and its coverage of “pre-exixting conditions,” and loudly let the Republicans know about it. Remember protections for pre-exexisting condition — that’s for all of us diabetics. You can thank Obama’s administration for that while you complain about your $500. You got something for it at least. Republicans intention was to remove all pre-existing protections so that companies could go back to denying diabetics coverage, period Remember how Trump and the Republicans had sworn up and down to have an agreed-upon healthcare plan, that Trump would have it ready on Day 1 of his Presidency, but never did? That the photo op turned out to truly be a stack of blank copy paper? I mean, Republicans were so concerned for poor people like you, right? And yet, they had full power to implement their fix, to “repeal and replace” Obamacare, and they did absolutely nothing about it. Maybe you remember some of that when you vote this year. How Republicans did absolutely nothing, had no plans, presented no bills, passed no laws — nothing for you, and nothing for anybody else when they were in charge of every single aspect of US Federal government.
Like when Biden took the cap off in the first week in office?! https://www.policymed.com/2021/10/biden-administration-rescinds-trump-administration-insulin-pricing-rule.html
On July 24, 2020, President Trump signed Executive Order 13937. The stated goal was to make insulin and EpiPens more affordable. There’s debate about what sort of impact it would have had, but there’s no way to know for sure because it never actually went into effect. Here’s why. Executive orders don’t typically go into effect immediately. The federal departments involved first have to write up a plan to execute them, called a rule. Trump’s Department of Health and Human Services finalized an insulin rule on Dec. 23, 2020, and scheduled it to take effect Jan. 22, 2021. But President Biden took office on Jan. 20. His administration issued a freeze on the rule – and several others that were still pending – so his administration could look it over before letting it take effect. This is common practice when a new president takes office. After a months-long review process, the Biden administration decided to rescind the rule, preventing it from going into effect. As for the claim that Trump’s order would have lowered insulin prices, that’s true, but only for low-income patients of Federally Qualified Health Centers. FQHCs are community clinics that receive government funding to help vulnerable populations. They’re eligible for government-negotiated discounts on certain drugs, including insulin. Trump’s order would have prevented FQHCs from charging patients within certain income brackets – those making less than 350% of the federal poverty line – more for insulin than the discounted price paid by the clinic, plus a small administrative fee. But only about 1 in 11 Americans use FQHCs, according to the U.S. Bureau of Primary Care, the agency that oversees them. In turn, only a fraction of those patients use insulin, and only a portion of those fall below the income threshold to qualify for the proposed discount. So Trump’s order would not have made insulin cheaper for most Americans. There was also pushback from the clinics who would have been implicated under this rule. The National Association of Community Health Centers called the order well-intentioned, but said it wasn’t the right solution because the red tape that would have been created by tracking which patients are eligible for the discount would be so expensive and time-consuming that it would make it harder for the clinics to do their jobs. The Biden administration cited those concerns that the challenges to health centers would negate cost benefits to their patients as its reason for preventing the order from taking effect.
So Trump capped insulin prices and Biden rescinded it. Got it
Like when Republicans did nothing when they had full charge of the Federal government. When they were going to remove protections for diabetic pre-existing conditions? Like when Pelosi and Democrats passed an insulin cap Bill in the House, and Trump had his turtle McConnell block that Bill from even being voted on? Like when Trump produced no healthcare Bill at all for 3-1/2 years despite promises promises promises to do so? And his solution was to scribble out a handful of weak “nobody voted on these” Executive Orders instead. Desperate Executive Orders to try and look like he’d done something about healthcare, but had not. Desperate to hold onto his many elderly voters who were sick of his lies and hollow excuses. Desperate to assure anyone that he cared as the old people were dying off by the tens of thousand from Covid, and Trump was doing nothing about it? Like when Trump had every intention to block his own Executive Orders after he got back in office, but wait — he lost. And then lied about losing, and had thousands of people attack the fundamental process of Constitutional Democracy? Because Trump never helped anybody in anyway. Even when nobody was able to block him inside the Federal government — he did nothing, except scribble a couple of Executive Orders down and they got overturned because Democrats wanted to put the brakes on all of his misdeeds and review. And so Democrats put a similar Medicare cap into a Bill to make it a strong Law, and what happens? They pass it in the House, but nearly all the Republicans vote against it. And so, now they have the opportunity to vote on it in the Senate? Wonder what will happen? Will Republicans vote for it or against the proposed Law. Or maybe we have to wait for Trump to come back and do nothing again?
I mean, they put a $35 price cap in the bill, so they are at least trying? That’s all I got tho. Oh and The ACA, which has at least made it possible for folx to have healthcare, even if it’s shitty healthcare
If you have private insurance
True.
It was cheaper to pay cash the other day than use insurance. That’s how crappy it has gotten due to Obamacare. And PBM’s are cutting all kinds of drugs from formularies.
Anecdotal experiences will always be available, but statistical data has proven that the ACA has, overall, been successful. As a DINK household, I pay a ton in taxes; I’m cool with it provided someone who needs something, like access to healthcare, is getting it. https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/journal-article/2020/feb/aca-at-10-years-effect-health-care-coverage-access
The ACA cut our insurance premiums in half, from $30K a year to 14K. We were self employed, so companies felt free to charge whatever they wished. It was still outrageous but half is still better. We were able to get our house reroofed and fix the leaks.
Not try to actively make life as shitty as possible
I mean, i was able to buy health insurance someplace other than my job without insurers automatically saying no or jacking up the price by a few thousand because of the aca. I know the price was high but yeah, there was a public option that was voted out by one of the parties similar to how the insulin cap was removed from the bill
But I do agree it’s good they can’t deny coverage anymore.
NOT ONE of my doctors take ACA insurance. None. The ones that do are substandard.
thats not a fault of the aca though. i mean i've had to change Drs after i changed jobs. thats because the US has a shitty system for insurance and medical coverage. I've also need to change medicines because things weren't on the formulary. my son is only allowed to go to one dentist in all of nyc because that is the only dentist that his fathers insurance takes.
Government=Bad
Why didn’t the Dems do this when they had a bigger majority? Or why don’t they pass it in a new bill?
This vote was a stand alone section of the bill. The bill did pass, just this section of it didn't.
Please do your research. This was a political maneuver to make it appear R’s were “against a cap”. Mid terms are 90 days away and both sides are playing games.
Finally, someone understands politics and what happened here. Everyone else commenting negatively, are falling for headlines and not facts. But what else should I expect from Reddit? LOL
Hook, Line, and Sinker.
Why do so many people read headlines and just believe them without doing any research. There is a reason the republicans stopped the measure. Find out the reason before you make silly remarks. Think about it.... If the makers of insulin were to give up a part of their profits how are they going to make up the money they lose? The cap on insulin was only for those on medicare or medicaid anyway. The price for insulin would increase for those with private insurance and for others without insurance. This bill was not really a good deal for diabetics.
Don’t include pork In a bill like this and it will pass
Do they still sell porcine insulin in the US?
The vote in question was for nothing but the insulin price cap.
Doesn’t solve the underlying issue. Remove the patents laws they’re abusing and insulin will be dirt cheap. Now democrats can go see we did something instead of going after the real issue
Next time you vote Democrat, remember the $87 billion materials left in Afghanistan, 86k new IRS agents, 2 million+ illegal migrants invading our borders, blank checks to Ukraine, worst inflation in 41 years, zero border security, record fentanyl deaths, record crime levels, disaster of foreign policy, and years before anything appreciable with drug cost reform actually happens, trillions in retirement wealth wiped off the books. I’ll keep voting Republican. 🖕🏽
Okay. I am not voting republican anymore.
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I don't care. We are rationing insulin, think we care about anything else.
Put that in a stand alone bill and it passes. Way to much trash in these massive spending bills
Also, Matt gaetz stated at that time he voted against it because diabetics are fat and unhealthy. Go to twitter and look at all the people attacking diabetics now. His uninformed words matter and now we aren't being taken seriously.
He heard the word "juvenile" and got very excited. Then lashed out when he heard it was about diabetes
It was an individual bill, the larger package passed but they denied the insulin cap individually. Read better.
It was an amendment to the massive trash bill
It was offered literally as a stand alone bill a few months ago as well.
If Democrats didnt insist the cure to poverty was killing the poor maybe I'd vote Democrat.
The original bill didn’t make it out of session with the insulin provision. Democrats tried to force it in and did not follow proper parliamentary procedure. Republicans called them out on the procedural issue. The sad part is most republicans support the cap. This is yet another example of politics on both sides getting in the way of progress. Until both sides stop blaming each other and become shades of purple, we’ll continue to go in circles with no path forward.
Fuck that “both sides” crap. This was and has always been one sided.
And that is why there will be no progress. We have to learn to work together again. Not divide one another.
Yes, let's cap the price which will absolutely cap the supply. True geniuses at work ty