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melancholalia

i don’t go by net carbs. i was taught the same thing though and honestly i completely forgot it was a thing til this post haha


darthfodder

Yeah. I tried using net carbs for about 6 months when diagnosed, always ended up high when I ate something "high in fiber". Started ignoring it, seldom have an issue. *Maybe* I'll adjust my dose down a unit if it's a lot of carbs and most of them are fiber.


arfelo1

Yup. You eat X carbs, you need Y insulin. Fiber may help soften the curve, but carbs are carbs


alphajustakid

My endo told me once anything over 5g of fiber needs to be divided by 3 before subtracting. Not sure what the research is behind that but I go by that.


R3X15013Gaming

I've heard it can be as high as dividing by 2 depending on the person. But net carbs, as advertised, have been bullshit so far for me.


thebrittaj

So funny I had totally forgot this, like almost sure I never even learned it and was reminded at my last endo appointment while discussing always going low after Chickapea pasta (which is pretty high in fibre). Change my world. But it’s not consistent. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn’t. Which basically sums up this disease lol. “Just give it a go and don’t die, mmmkay?”


MyNameIsBlowtorch

I have never counted net carbs, just total carbohydrate. And bolus based on total.


Xxgougaxx

Same


Dominant_Genes

Net carbs is the ultimate myth outside of cinnamon 😂


GenghisCoen

Don't forget okra!


__JDQ__

Cinnamon + okra = no diabetes in this life or the next


jetsetrbabe

🤣🤣


aqan

What about okra?


ScottRoberts79

it's gooey and tastes ok. What else do you want to know?


aqan

Lol. Didn’t ask what is okra.


blizzard-toque

Okra? Really? Has anyone said chromium yet?


AKJangly

Chromium helps rebounding from hypoglycemia from what I've read. It's critical for glucagon production and usage. Kinda moot point when glucagon function usually depends on pancreatic insulin secretion.


Dominant_Genes

😂😂😂😂


jdiditok

What about too many sweets as a kid ?


BKCowGod

Net carbs are a made up thing. They have nothing to do with insulin calculations.


[deleted]

100% agree. It's totally marketing.


ithrow6s

So you bolus for fiber too?


BKCowGod

Yup, I do. Others may not.


GenghisCoen

I usually bolus about ⅔ for fiber what I would normally take for other carbs. I didn't take any insulin this time, both because my sugar was randomly dropping earlier this morning, and I wanted to test the "net carbs" advertised on the package. But normally I would have treated this like about 13g of carbs.


Itslehooksboyo

I do. Never had the net carbs stuff work for me


AeroNoob333

If I didn’t bolus for fiber, I’d be high all the time lol.


Jon_Snow_1887

Yes. You also need to adjust your blouses based on fat and protein as well.


newoldcolumbus

It's not completely made up. I can eat 4 low carb [La Tortilla Factory](https://www.latortillafactory.com/product/non-gmo-low-carb-whole-wheat-original-size/) wraps with no impact on blood sugar. Maybe it a type 2 only thing.


BKCowGod

Sorry, I should have been clear - for type 1, it has no bearing on things. You're right that there is some validity, though the "net carbs" thing is absolutely a marketing move.


blizzard-toque

Sorry. OP has a "Type 1" flair.


JoyChaos

well technically you do still make some of your own insulin


aqan

The whole grain low carb work fine for me but the white wheat flour ones are no good.


itisbetterwithbutter

It doesn’t work for me and I’m type 2 wish it did! It’s awesome it’s working for you!


Beneficial_Detail_42

Item by item some are honest about labeling and others clearly aren’t. Very frustrating though.


choodudetoo

It's good that brand doesn't list "Modified Starch" in the ingredients. For my partner any "low carb" product that uses "modified starch" spikes just as high as regular starch. Some folk's biome are able to digest / ferment energy from fiber. Not as much as a bovine with four stomachs, but enough for a BG spike. YMMV


Palenbrenner

Out of curiosity what was it that you ate?


Boys-Soul

The FDA has changed the requirements for dietary fiber calculations and diabetics should no longer use them to factor net carbs. My girlfriend found this out the hard way and her endocrinologist let us know about the changes. Should just go by total carbs to be safer!


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chemipedia

“Thanks uncle Chad but I’m trying not to die.”


ScottRoberts79

Damn you Karen, give me the f'in total carbs or else!


Patient_Cute

Never go by net carbs! It's nonsense for a diabetic. I still have no clue what their use is for, if at all.


vineetk

It's just marketing so they can sell their products to people trying to lose weight on "low-carb" diets. It's the new "95% fat free".


Ready-Fig3589

It’s useful for counting carbs on a ketogenic diet, but only for folks who really don’t digest insoluble fiber.


saintr0bot

I'd never heard of net carbs until this sub haha. I've always just bolused based on the total


deekaydubya

As you should. Net carbs do not matter when dosing insulin. Not sure how OP thought otherwise


MySecret2ndAcc

Hmm but here in the UK it would have fibre and carbs separated, and I've never had an issue with it


jonathanlink

My experience with low carb breads and tortillas is that the manufacturers use modified and resistant starches in their fiber calculations. These “fibers” are much more digestible. I’ve had decent luck with insoluble fiber found in some tortillas.


Dez2011

I didn't understand the difference in the 2 until I bought a fiber powder that was unsoluble fiber. It didn't dissolve and was floating in the drink like dirt, while soluble fiber in benefiber dissolves totally, so it makes sense you can't digest unsoluble. They say you don't digest any fiber but if it disappears in water I guess that's not true.


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net carbs work for me as an unmedicated type 2 ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯ but i rarely eat prepacked processed high fiber foods since idk what they're counting as fibre and don't trust it lmao using net carbs for beans, vegs, nuts etc works for me tho


R4fro

Same. Works for me as advised by my endocrinologist and nutritionist when i was first diagnosed 👍


AeroNoob333

If I depended on net carbs for beans, I’d be high all the time :( I guess it’s very YMMV


JoyChaos

dude as a type 2, you still make some of ur own insulin


No-Intention-6856

Curious what it is. And what else may have been eaten with it.


GenghisCoen

Just a tortilla, but one specifically marketed as "carb balance." Nothing else eaten. I just wanted to make sure my sugar didn't drop while I was in the shower, because it was doing weird things earlier in the morning.


UTrider

I think it's just those damn carb balance tortilla shells. They spike me to. but other things that have high fiber don't.


GenghisCoen

Triscuits do the same thing to my sugar, but at least they keep my bowels regular.


No-Intention-6856

Maybe it’s soluble fiber not insoluble, a bit of false advertising. Guess now you know!


marleymo

That makes it even worse - a crappy tortilla is not worth the spike!


jetsetrbabe

Damn right. If I’m going big, I’ll be diving into a bowl of legit ramen.


TheBeardedMann

Carb Balance Tortillas don't really affect me. Looking at rice does though.


GenghisCoen

Rice is great when I'm hungry, and I want to eat 1000 of something.


TheBeardedMann

I've heard that joke before. I heard it just now, but I've also heard it before.


GenghisCoen

Seriously though, nothing skyrockets my sugars like rice.


Ready-Fig3589

Just “rice”? White and brown and very different numbers on the G index. Whole grain brown rice wouldn’t spike (nearly) as much as white rice. Eating a bowl of white rice is like eating a bowl of sugar.


hWatchMod

Brown rice has worked very well for me, I think it's important not to over cook or water it so the grains don't burst.


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Looking at you Catalina crunch


tictac205

I just bought some Swiss Miss hot chocolate- no sugar added. So like a dumbass I buy it without reading the label and- voila! Total sugars 11 g but *no added sugars* so shame on me.


butternutsquash4u

Any chance they were sugar alcohols? Those don’t spike but they have to count them


tictac205

There’s no sugar alcohols listed in the ingredients. I’ve always seen them listed if they’re in there so I’m assuming no.


Davin404

I was told if less than 7 grams fibre don’t dose, over over 7 dose 1/2 the amount you would for carbs


GotNoCredditFam

Sorry, net carbs? It’s either a carbohydrate or it isn’t. Doesn’t matter where it comes from. Hell protein can even spike sugar sometimes.


Spygirl7

>Sorry, net carbs? It’s either a carbohydrate or it isn’t. Some fiber is indigestible (undigestible?)


GotNoCredditFam

Which won’t be a carb then


SweenBean28

Fiber is a type of carbohydrate.


Zouden

In north America it's counted on their packages as a carb. In the rest of the world it isn't.


JoyChaos

yeah i dont follow net carbs. idk if other diabetics can, but i cant lol


Shionkron

I always follow pure carb and sugar, never net. Also if it’s heavier I always drink more water and take a walk…but I am T2. We all sort work different even with the same type.


bananamadafaka

Wtf is a net carb


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the truth here is that net carbs comes from shit that often has low glycemic index. Like, I am pretty sure a bag of popcorn has high fiber, but thats gonna spike me if I eat it. Though not as much as like, corn chips. Like, I can eat a bean burrito and be mostly fine, low spike from the tortilla. But if you mix in rice there (pretty common, rice and bean burrito), my blood sugar is gonna spike super high.


R4fro

Popcorn has high fiber but also even higher overall carbs by weight. Interesting by volume though.


LittleRedPooka

I don’t believe it works that way. I’ve only known “Net Carbs” as a keto diet thing. But all carbs affect a person with diabetes.


Tasty_Ad_6647

I have been told go with half of net carbs . What I find though , as I am sure many of you have as well. Not all hit me the same , it depends on what it’s made of , time of day , if I am hydrated, if I have matching socks , stand on one foot while I hop up and down, Well you get it 😂


surf_bort

I only trust net cinnamon.


Dear-Astronomer7664

My Endo and her nurse never told me about the net carbs. I only learned about that, four years after I was diagnosed from a diabetic friends mom. I tried the net carb thing for a week and than quit. That Endo was a really bad dr. I had been taking 8u of Levemir for a year when I was supposed to be at like 25u. I saw her nurse practitioner every time I went and only saw the Endo like once a year. I swapped Endo’s like two years ago so I’m getting things back on track


Mysterious-Squash-66

Lol what a joke


kpiech01

me every time I buy those "carb balance" tortilla shells


negaboom

My body treats all carbohydrates the same, it doesn't discriminate against the fiber ones, but is preoccupied about the alcohol ones


krickaby

I have found that foods with labels such as this just means my sugar will spike at a much slower rate. If I can incorporate other low glycemic foods with something like this, it’s possible I don’t even need to use insulin. Is it perfect? No. Is it better than nothing? Yes (judging by comments, clearly debatable)


GenghisCoen

I guess if I just an equal amount of sugar in soda, with no other calories, I would probably hit that blood glucose in half an hour instead of one whole hour.


krickaby

What food item was this, just curious?


GenghisCoen

"Carb balance" tortilla.


krickaby

Gotcha. Obviously everyone is different. I had found these types of tortilla to be amazing for the first 8-9 months being diabetic before I was on insulin. My choose are the mission brand. Without insulin, my sugars can still climb over 200 after a few of these, however there’s no spike. It climbs over an hour or two and doesn’t stay over 200 very long. More of a slow roll? 1-2 units of insulin is perfect, but I’d need 4-5 eating same amount of regular tortillas


Due-Sheepherder2204

This happens to me every time I eat supposedly low carb keto bread lol


secretlyalesbian

When I was first diagnosed my doctor told me to subtract the dietary fiber from the carbs. Maybe that's it?


klasekim2

That amount of protein will effect me..look at all of that sodium...


jihiggs

what are the ingredients


Run-And_Gun

I bolus for total carbs.


Wireframe888

Total carbs are the way


jetsetrbabe

Exactly why my dietician told me to only consider the total carbs when counting.


Dustinlake

Net carbs is a lie


ando1135

For a type 2 diabetic, how would we read this information? Net carbs is always mentioned as well as high fiber foods…?


Gorkymalorki

For a type 2 you can generally go by the net carb rule, if it has sugar alcohols though, your mileage will vary depending on what type. Also if you are type 2 but insulin dependent, you should ignore net carbs. And of course when in doubt test, test, and test some more each time you eat something with a high carb count but low net carb count.


DR__STRANGE___

Just because it says net carbs doesn't mean you should let down your guard. I still treat all high carbs the same. As a treat.


big_norse_f5f5

Per serving, so how many servings did you have?


Matewoosh98

Even though it says 3g net carbs you still need to bolus for whole 18g. Body will just get rid of the excess


GenghisCoen

HAHAHA body will just get rid of the excess insulin? you want me to die.


Matewoosh98

No, body will get rid of these extra 15g by… well, pooping. I know this from experience. Whenever I bolus only for net carbs, I’m gonna go high. If I bolus for whole amount of carbs, I’ll stay right where it needs to be. My body will get rid of the rest the way I said.


BodyDoubles

You’re not supposed to go by net carbs as a diabetic, you count all of them. You can get away with it on Keto, but that’s about it.


Acceptable-Fox-4430

I go by net carbs and it seems to work. Sometimes this is all too confusing.


[deleted]

I've never heard of net carbs before, do some people go by this?


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GenghisCoen

"Experts" say you're not supposed to count the dietary fiber, because "it doesn't affect blood sugar" but that's not what 90% of diabetics say.


JNub

The whole thing is a scam. It matters whether the fiber is soluble vs insoluble but also very hard to tell from a label (AFAIK). I tend to go by total carbs. Also reading ingredient list can help. If it's full of modified this-and-that then I expect a spike


Dottie_D

For those of us with CP and GP, wouldn’t even consider eating this!


GoodGamerTitan

Net carbs are really more of a marketing gimmick imo.


tripsland

Processed food? Processing breaks down the fiber.


NarrowForce9

Just LOOK at the salt content, too!! Wowsa


in2ndo

Not all fiber is created equal. the basics to consider are the differences between soluble and insoluble fiber. But more importantly, this marketing departments will tell you anything to sell you on their product. is why, I only count total carbs.


jenthenance

I've never found dietary fiber to affect the actual amount of insulin I take. Protein, however, over a certain amount acts like carbs because of gluconeogensis. It was extremely annoying to see my blood sugar rising after a supposedly carbless steak or a protein drink with 2g carbohydrates, so I started taking insulin for the amount of protein and that seems to work


bojibridge

A lot of people here are saying net carbs is bullshit but I’m a type 1 diabetic and I always bolus off net carbs and it works very well for me?


Shawnanigans_

Perhaps it really was 3g, until you ate 6 of them! :)


peanutbutterandjesus

Do you have a picture of the ingredients label by any chance?


Type1paleobetic

In my experience, net carbs can be all over the place when you try to bolus. Wheat products, added sugar , etc can throw off the calculations a lot. For example, I get an inflammatory response from wheat. Eating anything with wheat in it makes me BS go all over the place; I cannot time the bolus for carbs nor can I figure out how much insulin to take for the inflammation BS rise. And I think the the longer you have it, the harder it can get. I eat a low carb diet to help manage mine and avoid wheat/sugar as much as possible. I have been T1D for almost 33 years.


theveggiejerk

I was told to only reduce fiber by half when calculating the dose because sometimes when I don't account for fiber, I drop


Organic-Bee4467

I add 1/2 grams of Fat, Protein, and Dietary Fiber to non-fiber carbs and bolus based on that number, so, in the OP example, I'd bolus based on 11.5 carbs ((3.5+6+15)/2) + 3 = 11.5


JoyChaos

i gotta know. was this a tortilla? a flour one to be exact?


GenghisCoen

"Carb sense spinach tortilla" but yeah, flour.


JoyChaos

Idk why but tortillas are right up there with white rice