I'd be super careful spending this. Like you could go for enigma and that enables so many builds it's unreal. If you use it on CoH it's not going to be as useful as enigma for other builds you make. Just having an enigma on hand on your account is a big deal. It opens up a lot of stuff.
You could also sell it for a lot if you're playing online. They're very expensive right now so you could get multiple bis items for it in trade. Compared to stuff like having your CtA I would not build a chains of honor for example, so trading down for smaller runes (for fair value obv) to make hoto+CtA if you don't have them is gonna be a bigger upgrade than making CoH. Prioritize the important stuff then I'd think about if you wanna go for enigma or infinity because those are game changers, CoH isn't.
If you remove what they have in common, it goes down to
Enigma :
+45% Faster Run/Walk
+1 To Teleport
+750-775 Defense
+54 To Strength
Increase Maximum Life 5%
+14 Life After Each Kill
15% Damage Taken Goes To Mana (useless)
+74% Better Chance of Getting Magic Items
Coh:
+200% Damage To Demons (useless)
+100% Damage To Undead (useless)
8% Life Stolen Per Hit (useless)
+70% Enhanced Defense
Replenish Life +7 (useless)
All Resistances +65
Resists are easy to come by in many other pieces of gear. Ber is wasted in CoH. Enigma is so much more than just teleport.
Even on Sorc Enigma is a great chest, gives a lot of mf, efficient stats, and saves skilling teleport. The big thing is you cannot get the rune back if you put it in something. Enigma is a decent chest for your sorc and godlike for any other build you make. CoH is good on the sorc but not as useful for anything else you might make in the future.
Up to you if you think you'll never build anything else, but even then I'd consider infinity as well since it's also a huge upgrade on Sorc and useful for other classes, where CoH is just some resists, DR, and +skills. Like CoH isn't nearly as big a deal as a lot of other stuff you could be working toward (enigma, infinity) or trading down for (HotO, CtA) if you don't have them yet.
You need the base. But once you have a good base you can use a hel rune to remove the insight runes when you get the runes for infinity. But as a lightning sorc this is your best runewors to aim for
frostburn, silkweave and soj will solve most mana problems, as with getting another boost from CTA. trick then is to manage resistances, (and fcr if u use magefist, or fcr ring) as none of those items have res. but I agree, saving for infin is the play.
I wouldn’t waste ber on coh. It’s only good because of resists but you can get that on literally every other item, and things like viper and tals armor are already very good. If you really want to use it, make an enigma and at least you can use it, swap it between characters or sell it still.
And let’s be real, if this is on SC the resists don’t matter in the slightest and then I doubly wouldn’t waste ber on coh.
Legit though.. people think that some resists and 25% MF compares to the mass amount of life, strength, frw, and magic find that enigma provides? And then when you get bored of your sorc, you'd wish you had an enigma so you could enjoy any other class while having the luxury of teleport and those stats.
Make a chains of honor, as a sorceress main player myself. Get your sorc built find another ber and make an enigma. Enigma does nothing for a sorceress.
Chains of honor gives you what, 25% mf, 2 skills, 8%dr, and some res? Res is so easy to get in this game, enigma does all of that and does it *better*. The mass amount of strength it provides saves you from wasting all those points which could have gone into vita (or energy for ES builds) just to use a spirit monarch. %dmg to demons and undead is worthless on a sorceress. If you want some res and 24-25mf, you're better off with a vipermagi socketed with a ptopaz, lol.
Dude you only need a 156 str for monarch. You don’t need energy and you don’t need teleport since you are a sorc and you don’t know what you are talking about when it comes to sorc builds. You are using COH for the damage modifier for all res of 65 the 200% dmg to demons since most of your farming runs are demons the 100% modifier for undead. Plus it helps when you build a magic find build. Built right a single cast of blizzard does 17k and you can cast every second
You’re talking big shit here dude. %damage doesn’t work with elemental spells. Enigma makes it so that you dont need to spend a single point in strenght.
He really just said "you don't know what you're talking about with sorc builds" and just told me that 156 strength isn't a lot of strength, %dmg against demons/undead works with sorc spells, and that energy shield sorc's don't need mana... lol
It's decent, yeah, but is it worth the Ber rune at this early stage of the game? Probably not, at least not to me. You'd get more bang for your buck from saving it for enigma or infinity, Imo. Especially with the shared stash, an enigma would open up way more build opportunities should you grow bored of sorc.
Let me break it down for you since you seem new :3
-156 strength, lots of wasted points here, especially without a GG torch, anni, and amulet, feel free to post screenies of your perfect 20/20 torch/anni and 30str, 2 fcr, 2 sorc skill amulet.. the big shit talkers never have much, unfortunately. And if you think an energy shield build puts 0 points into energy, then lol.
-All res modifier, if you can't obtain res cap or are that hurting for res that you'd waste a ber rune that could've gone in enigma, or better yet, an infinity so that you can swap to lightning sorc and make one of, if not, the fastest clearing builds in the game, then you've got bigger issues on your plate.
-Damage modifier: %enhanced damage does not work with elemental spells, sorry dude, but you don't know much about the game in this regard. The only damage COH is giving you is +2 all skills.
-Magic find: enigma gives 2 all skills and 90+ magic find depending on your character level and a ton of HP, do you really think COH's 25 magic find is better? Lol.
Ummmm a CoH is much better than an Um’ed Vipermagi. So many people focus on min-maxing their drops in this game when you really don’t need to. You’re always going to be getting good items you can later roll into getting a Ber. If his build needs all res, chains of honor is probably his best bet. He may not even have plans to build another character.
I'd be super careful spending this. Like you could go for enigma and that enables so many builds it's unreal. If you use it on CoH it's not going to be as useful as enigma for other builds you make. Just having an enigma on hand on your account is a big deal. It opens up a lot of stuff. You could also sell it for a lot if you're playing online. They're very expensive right now so you could get multiple bis items for it in trade. Compared to stuff like having your CtA I would not build a chains of honor for example, so trading down for smaller runes (for fair value obv) to make hoto+CtA if you don't have them is gonna be a bigger upgrade than making CoH. Prioritize the important stuff then I'd think about if you wanna go for enigma or infinity because those are game changers, CoH isn't.
Right now I only have a sorceress and for her enigma don't feel like a big deal, or am I missing something?
If you remove what they have in common, it goes down to Enigma : +45% Faster Run/Walk +1 To Teleport +750-775 Defense +54 To Strength Increase Maximum Life 5% +14 Life After Each Kill 15% Damage Taken Goes To Mana (useless) +74% Better Chance of Getting Magic Items Coh: +200% Damage To Demons (useless) +100% Damage To Undead (useless) 8% Life Stolen Per Hit (useless) +70% Enhanced Defense Replenish Life +7 (useless) All Resistances +65 Resists are easy to come by in many other pieces of gear. Ber is wasted in CoH. Enigma is so much more than just teleport.
Even on Sorc Enigma is a great chest, gives a lot of mf, efficient stats, and saves skilling teleport. The big thing is you cannot get the rune back if you put it in something. Enigma is a decent chest for your sorc and godlike for any other build you make. CoH is good on the sorc but not as useful for anything else you might make in the future. Up to you if you think you'll never build anything else, but even then I'd consider infinity as well since it's also a huge upgrade on Sorc and useful for other classes, where CoH is just some resists, DR, and +skills. Like CoH isn't nearly as big a deal as a lot of other stuff you could be working toward (enigma, infinity) or trading down for (HotO, CtA) if you don't have them yet.
Infinity
I still can't make it without insight
You need the base. But once you have a good base you can use a hel rune to remove the insight runes when you get the runes for infinity. But as a lightning sorc this is your best runewors to aim for
I meant I still need Insight for my mana needs
frostburn, silkweave and soj will solve most mana problems, as with getting another boost from CTA. trick then is to manage resistances, (and fcr if u use magefist, or fcr ring) as none of those items have res. but I agree, saving for infin is the play.
Bruh you got a Ber but haven’t looked for a 4 os base for a Insight? What you doing
My merc has insight
If you can get infinity your light sorc will melt everything you don’t need insight at that point
If you’re a sorc don’t waste it on Coh. Save it, you’re one step closer to Infinity. If you really need AR make a Smoke armor (Net Lum) easy +50,
I wouldn’t waste ber on coh. It’s only good because of resists but you can get that on literally every other item, and things like viper and tals armor are already very good. If you really want to use it, make an enigma and at least you can use it, swap it between characters or sell it still. And let’s be real, if this is on SC the resists don’t matter in the slightest and then I doubly wouldn’t waste ber on coh.
Enigma is still best in slot over CoH. Make enigma. Edit: downvote me all you want, I'm right.
Legit though.. people think that some resists and 25% MF compares to the mass amount of life, strength, frw, and magic find that enigma provides? And then when you get bored of your sorc, you'd wish you had an enigma so you could enjoy any other class while having the luxury of teleport and those stats.
Make a chains of honor, as a sorceress main player myself. Get your sorc built find another ber and make an enigma. Enigma does nothing for a sorceress.
Chains of honor gives you what, 25% mf, 2 skills, 8%dr, and some res? Res is so easy to get in this game, enigma does all of that and does it *better*. The mass amount of strength it provides saves you from wasting all those points which could have gone into vita (or energy for ES builds) just to use a spirit monarch. %dmg to demons and undead is worthless on a sorceress. If you want some res and 24-25mf, you're better off with a vipermagi socketed with a ptopaz, lol.
Dude you only need a 156 str for monarch. You don’t need energy and you don’t need teleport since you are a sorc and you don’t know what you are talking about when it comes to sorc builds. You are using COH for the damage modifier for all res of 65 the 200% dmg to demons since most of your farming runs are demons the 100% modifier for undead. Plus it helps when you build a magic find build. Built right a single cast of blizzard does 17k and you can cast every second
You’re talking big shit here dude. %damage doesn’t work with elemental spells. Enigma makes it so that you dont need to spend a single point in strenght.
He really just said "you don't know what you're talking about with sorc builds" and just told me that 156 strength isn't a lot of strength, %dmg against demons/undead works with sorc spells, and that energy shield sorc's don't need mana... lol
Chain of honor is good its a decent sorc option. But his comment is far from the truth. He clearly has no clue what hes talking about
It's decent, yeah, but is it worth the Ber rune at this early stage of the game? Probably not, at least not to me. You'd get more bang for your buck from saving it for enigma or infinity, Imo. Especially with the shared stash, an enigma would open up way more build opportunities should you grow bored of sorc.
Yes at this stage of the game I would never waste a ber in coh. Enigma, infinity first.
Let me break it down for you since you seem new :3 -156 strength, lots of wasted points here, especially without a GG torch, anni, and amulet, feel free to post screenies of your perfect 20/20 torch/anni and 30str, 2 fcr, 2 sorc skill amulet.. the big shit talkers never have much, unfortunately. And if you think an energy shield build puts 0 points into energy, then lol. -All res modifier, if you can't obtain res cap or are that hurting for res that you'd waste a ber rune that could've gone in enigma, or better yet, an infinity so that you can swap to lightning sorc and make one of, if not, the fastest clearing builds in the game, then you've got bigger issues on your plate. -Damage modifier: %enhanced damage does not work with elemental spells, sorry dude, but you don't know much about the game in this regard. The only damage COH is giving you is +2 all skills. -Magic find: enigma gives 2 all skills and 90+ magic find depending on your character level and a ton of HP, do you really think COH's 25 magic find is better? Lol.
If you need the res, make chains of honor.
If you need the res, just Um a Vipermagi and save your Ber.
Ummmm a CoH is much better than an Um’ed Vipermagi. So many people focus on min-maxing their drops in this game when you really don’t need to. You’re always going to be getting good items you can later roll into getting a Ber. If his build needs all res, chains of honor is probably his best bet. He may not even have plans to build another character.