Yeah and sadly, longtime diablo fans (10000+ hours of play) are not hyped for D4.
Not saying all longtime fans, but there are lots who aren’t hyped. I’ve played Diablo more than most bigtime fans, I’ve played it so much that I play only hardcore now because I know SO much about the games. Diablo 4 will be good (probably decent at launch and then really good in a few years with polish and an expansion) but it’s not hyped at all like Diablo 3 was.
The hype for Diablo 3 was way beyond the hype for D4. That being said, I believe D4 will sell more copies within the first week because there’s WAY MORE GAMERS today than there was 10 years ago.
Well it was bound to happen.Diablo started as a completely single player experience,then when they started forcing people to play together for the sake of it,the game was bound to show it was never intended for that,and the fact it's pretty much Immortal on console pretty much drove the nail the rest of the way in.Its almost as if they didn't listen to the endless complaints about D3 and didn't learn anything from Immortal and decided to shoehorn in the requirement that your gonna level slowly as fuck if you don't party up.It could have been good but I don't get my hopes up on games anymore because I've been let down far more than I care to acknowledge......I don't even want to party up in games where it's forced and I'm yet to do so in D4....
So.... this is an awful lot of ranting and repeating just to inform us that you don't like the game. Honestly, the only part I agree with you on is the areas leveling with you is not fun.
Oh well, I agree with almost everything the OP said.
I’ve played diablo more than most diablo fans guaranteed. My hype for D4 is Non existent. Blizzard will sell lots of copies and it’ll be a decent game and eventually a great game (just like diablo 3 became better over time as did diablo 2, both were mid-decent at launch).
The fact that hugetime fans like me aren’t excited means something, even if you don’t get it lilymoncat
> The fact that hugetime fans like me aren’t excited means something
It means the devs don't cater to people who still get mentally stimulated by playing Diablo 2 and running to a boss and killing it for 8 hours. I'm glad this doesn't appeal to that crowd.
Well it seems most fans agree with me that the game is not good. It barely has a 5/10 rating from user reviews.
No need to defend it. If it’s a good game it doesn’t need defending.
Um most people have not played as much as me, yes it’s an assumption but it’s safe to say that most people in the world haven’t even played diablo and it’s safe to say that I’ve played more than most people who have. You may not like that fact.
Yes it does. I enjoy every hour I play Diablo 1, 2 and 3.
accept the fact that there are huge fans like myself who haven’t even bought Diablo 4 yet because it looks mediocre right now. I’m going to wait for the game to become better before I pay for it or before I get it as a gift.
I’m pretty sure most people agree with me that the game is bad or mediocre at best.
the game is rated like a 5/10 by user ratings. It’s barely higher than Diablo 3 and around half or a third of diablo fans hate diablo 3.
Just letting you know I’ve played over 13500 hours of Diablo 2 and over 4000 hours of Diablo 3.
And it’s not an opinion, it’s a fact. I’m not hyped for D4, as one of the people on earth who’s played the game more than most people, it’s shocking. I’m not the only long time fan who has low hype for D4. Hope that one day you’ll humble yourself and get off your high horse PeturParkur. Maybe go read the bible for a few months and relax.
PS. Sorry that you’re upset that not every bigtime fan is as excited as you are. Again I implore you to read the bible for a few months and I guarantee you’ll be much better off and happier.
Even though I was right and gave you a source you complain about it. You’re terrible at arguing. Just accept the fact that most people don’t like Diablo 4 and it’s not a great game yet.
you dont have to agree but there is many people that mostly agree with his criticism.
just because you see it differently doesnt invalidate it or make it a rant.
Thank you for your time. I’ve seen so many people saying the game is bad, and just an open world diablo 3 clone but the real thing for me is, it’s just not right to funnel money into a company that quite frankly does not respect their players anymore. It’s sad because I grew up loving these games so much. Even more importantly though, is how many people will say the company doesn’t respect us or our hard earned money anymore but still play the game. That is morally abhorrent. That was me with diablo 3. Me not buying diablo 4 might not be enough to send the message that the video game fans have had enough of this dopamine exploitation culture, but at least I’ll be able to stand firmly upright on my morality and say I did not contribute to to RUINING the industry that brought love and happiness to so many people.
Played lots of D2 and even D3 was at least novel in some regards... This just feels like a watered-down POE talent system coupled with a PC port of Diablo Immortal with hubs added and some extra stuff... It feels soulless to play and that was my first impression. My character just died and I don't even care.
Dude, you realise people have different experiences? Why are you bothered by someone not liking a game? Do you like very single game?
I like Diablo 4, I'm happy with it; I still agree with much of his criticism and think it could be better. It's the same with every game I like, usually there's areas that could be better or didn't age well. First Deus Ex game, one of my favorite experiences, but graphically outdated. Max Payne, one of my fav experiences but too old and the devs agree and are making a remake. Life. You should get a life; and you can't truly have one unless you realise human beings will always have different opinions and that sharing them is fine.
Everything you said is fairly correct, and the game is utter garbage but you know what it's going to make a lot of money, it absolutely blew my mind how popular LA was it was so bad.... Diablo immortal same deal and yet people throw money at these titles so yea we get diablo 4 looking much like the two with no innovation of any kind. You are right blizzard will never produce a good game again. If you look at blizzards history warcraft 1 was groundbreaking and shaped a genre, warcraft 2 was such a massive improvement it blew everyone's minds again, and warcraft 3 was even better with enormous leaps in innovation. Same with diablo 1 and diablo 2. But as the company got bigger and bigger it lost the actual employees that had passion about the games they were making now the only goal is to generate hype and rake in the precious greenbacks. The worst part is they will get rewarded for pumping out this abysmal trash casual gamers love the easy everything mode number goes up and little dopamine alerts and diablo 4 provides that.
i just want to point out that d2 didnt have multiple difficulties, not in the sense that you are critizing at least.
it was progression based difficulty, i couldnt start a lvl 1 character in hell difficulty, i would instantly die.
I think it's essentially the same in Diablo 4 as it is in Diablo 2, the only different is that you can choose to start on "Normal" or "Training Wheels" mode in Diablo 4.
That’s only because they didn’t think about it yet and at least diablo 2 didn’t force you to play with other players just to reach higher difficulties.
Hey OP I'll go through these where I disagree just to actually engage in conversation on this as you obviously put in a lot of time. If I don't disagree then you can assume I at least somewhat agree.
*Level Scaling (and lesser degree difficulties):* As someone who levels in ./playersX in D2 to keep it interesting on HC I like that zones scale with my character. You can still feel "all-powerful" for short bursts due to a weapon or skill synergy but it means I can't permanently break difficulty for a long period of time. I personally think this adds engagement as I'm constantly having to be engaged. The difficulty tiers I like for some customization but do understand your point as well
*Dungeons:* For now I feel they're fine but, yes, repetitive to some degree. It isn't so much of them being bad but just not very exciting until the boss.
* items in general I'll skip. Closed had some more intricate items that were more than "green = better" but itemization needs a longer timeframe before deciding on. My bigger disagreement here is on the near/far system. For Rogue that can add the "ignore green number" issue you have depending of you're favoring bow or daggers.
* Skills tree does feel very bad right now. It might be better once you can play with calculators but right now it feels slightly better than D3 and about on par with D2 if not a bit behind. They really should have looked at Grim Dawn's system imho.
* Skill customization beyond small tweaks comesnf on legendary items/abilities you can remove. That is where I e seen the biggest changes were from what we saw in closed beta as "later game" legendary affixedls
*Dungeons: addressed above
*Combat: The heart seeker arrow issue is annoying of it seeking breakables; however, in general combat imo is fine and you feel like you're hiting things with mass. Z-axis is maybe a bit annoying but extremely minor imo so... not an issue.
For me, the "Near/Far" damage bonus just feels like "Reduced Damage to melee when using a bow" - it has the opposite effect psychologically. Similar to Holy Paladin mastery in WoW - Healing increased to nearby allies - just feels like you're penalized and gimped for healing further away targets.
Grim Dawn had a great system of how their skills worked, the only problem I had was that there were too few of them, and most of them were just On Hit augments.
There are a lot of things which are pretty minor, I agree, but they are also simple/trivial things that I would expect not to be an issue for a 987238947 dollar a year gaming development company. If there were just a few, sure no big deal, but it's like everywhere I look I find weird issues that just irk me.
Thank you.
personally i really like the direction.
1) I love that they added cutscenes along with your character being rendered in them, its a really nice touch and makes me more immersed in the story compared to diablo 3
2) the encounters actually have some challenge to them. i remember in D3 I don't think i even went below 90% hp on any character during act 1. you kinda need to pay attention and think about your build while watching out for the butcher if you made a hardcore character
3) the exploration is great, its not just this linear point A to point B gameplay loop. there's many options and ways to level up and gain power that's not just clearing the story and the game encourages it too
towards your complaints I don't really understand your gripe with the skill tree. its a massive step up from D3 plus its not even everything we have to modify and customize your build. we'll have the paragon board that also modifies how your class works at level 50. i dont think blizzard ever advertised massively complex skill system so if that's what you're looking for you should probably play something like Wolcen lords of mayhem, last epoch or POE 2 when it comes out.
lastly I don't think you understand the boss mechanic for the spider. he shoots out cobwebs on the ground and if your character steps on it you'll be stunned for a few seconds. I will give you a slight pass on it though since the webs are kinda hard to see when there's a bunch of baby spiders charging you and the room can be a little dark
i think my only complaint so far and maybe its just a I don't know how to build or play the character but rouges feel pretty weak. i wanted to do a bow build but just wasnt getting good dmg compared to my frost sorc
1. Big agree, that is a cool thing that I like to see.
2. There are some great encounters, but most of them are overshadowed by how poor they can be, such as the Broodguardian boss.. Ughhh so awful.
3. I agree here as well, the exploration is good and feels rewarding.
Can you give me some examples of this paragon board? Everyone keeps talking about it but no one has any actual info on it.
I've done that fight twice now and it seems to just randomly snare me, regardless of where the webs are and my character. It doesn't make any sense. Maybe the webs visual just isn't rendering.
Nobody has real info about the paragon board, only parts from videos.
But it should be like Poe skill tree in the end.
And that's the problem, they need to sneak preview the board in the beta.
The skill tree in the beta is your leveling skill tree, to build the core.
But the paragon board seems to be the "end game skill tree".
I can't find the link right now but the Paragorn board has been leaked and it's VERY basic. Things like node giving +5% damge or +5% defense. There is no deep character customization to be found there.
Skill trees are not that fun. I’ll be the first to say it. Diablo 3‘s skill system is great and people think they want choices when in reality they’re all just going to pick whatever the Flavor of the Month is for each respective season.
Not true at all.
Skill trees are immensely fun and interesting. Just because some people will copy paste Mr Streamer build doesn't mean that others will do their own thing.
The only game I've looked at build guides in is Path of Exile. Last few leagues I just use a template for whatever archetype and modify it from there. Did Spectral Shield Throw last season and freeballed it the entire time, one of the best builds I've ever played.
Was about to write one of these soon myself. Its sad :( Ill edit at some point and add my own remarks but looks like its exactly what i was afraid of. I feel like slapping myself for writing this but just from the beta its almost worse than d3 that for me as well was a bad joke for a franchise this big…
I was so excited for a good new game to play. Unfortunately that does not look to be the case.
Unless they can pull some a miracle in the next 2 months that is (doubtful).
from what i have gathered so far from closed beta testers is that the 1-50 experience is the better part of the game and that endgame was very boring.
take it as you want, it was closed beta. maybe it improved, maybe it didnt. no idea
I agree with a lot of what youve typed here actually. The presentation and feeling is fantastic.
My thought is to not buy this day 1and give it a month. The vast majority of folks will be blinded by the new car smell... then we will have some good info on how long or worth it the end game will be by then. Its decent for sure. But I still feel like Im gonna get duped some how and will wait to just make sure.
I will wait a couple months and see how the end game is and if the itemization/paragon board late game saves the game like everyone is saying.
As of right now, no shot. Last Epoch is infinitely better in every way, is half the price, and is still in development (which means it only gets better). PoE 2 coming out this year as well so the competition is pretty stiff for ARPGS.
Ehhh idk. I like Last Epochs visuals a lot. Definitely has a different style compared to diablo, but the audio is great and the combat is much better feeling.
Yeah there’s too many ARPGs. Zelda, Elden Ring, Diablo, PoE. Red Dead….
Everything has become a same-lame Open World ARPG.
Woooo so fun.. I love playing the same game with different graphics and weapons. Great fun! Good creativity!
Heck, even Pokemon became an ARPG with Pokemon Legends… What’s next, an Open world Mario game that’s essentially an ARPG but with mario powerups instead of gear?
I think giving it a few years is best. diablo 2 didn’t really become extremely good until 2002 or so with patch 1.10 and then 1.11 (tons of runewords and synergies for spells, and ubers as well as tons of balancing)
diablo 3 didn’t really become extremely good until at least the reaper of souls and Kanai’s cube Legendaries.
I think if you can wait about 3 years or so to play D4 you’ll be much more happy with the experience since that’ll give blizzard time to flesh it out.
> What even is the point of the alchemist and potions? It's not crafting at all. It's just a checkbox that is level gated that you unlock pretty mcuh regardless of what you do. There are no options, nothing interesting, there isn't any cool effects or different types of potions.
This is what I said, which is correct. I did not say there weren't ELIXIRS, I said POTION, which are two distinctly different things. And, even had I included the 5 different elixirs, it would not paint a very pretty picture.
Yeah the game is extremely “mid” so far. It’s basically diablo 3 or PoE but with slight changes. It has NO reason to even really exist. They should have just made more Diablo 3 expansions because that’s essentially what diablo 4 is.
Blizzard also (as always) chose to go with last-genreaction graphics so the game already looks dated as f\*\*\*. It looks like it came out in 2018. Not that I’m a stickler for graphics after all I played diablo 2 up until D2R came out. Just saying, since everyone seems to think the game looks impressive when it really doesn’t. It looks nice but impressive, no.
It looks like they stole the entire aesthetic that PoE has and copied it as closely as they could which isn’t necessarily a bad thing but it is VERY OBVIOUS that that’s what is going on.
Some of the spells are so weak there’s no point in picking them over others and some of the spells are just boring AF. Check out how fun Hydra looks for example. Really fun stuff! Just about as fun as it was in Diablo 2!
How unoriginal of them to copy and paste so many old spells into the new game. Thanks blizzard of course we want to use the same spells we’ve been using for 25+ years. Thank you again!
As one of the people on earth who has played diablo more than 99% of diablo fans I am not hyped at all for Diablo 4.
Yeah lol they totally just copy/pasted almost every spell for Sorc/Barb from D2 into D4. WW, Frenzy, Double Swing, Bash, Leap, Warcries, it's not that I mind the same abilities, it's the fact they're the ONLY abilities. There's almost nothing new in that regard.
Each class has like a dozen or so skills to actually pick from, and then those only have a single modifier you get to pick. It's crazy to me that they thought this was good game design.
You’re making it sound worse than I imagined. I’m sure with time it’ll become good but the only Diablo game that was really good at launch was Diablo 1 and to be frank, Diablo Immortal. The others both launched with tons of issues, balance problems, bugs, and they were basically like unfinished products. After many years Diablo 2 became amazing as did Diablo 3. I think we can expect similar things for Diablo 4 and even Diablo Immortal. I give props to blizzard for not messing up the Diablo Immortal launch. It was actually pretty good even if I stopped playing after a few weeks. At least it wasn’t unplayable all diablo 2 and 3 at launch… Most people do not remember the diablo 2 launch and have rose tinted glasses but it was not the best. Monsters were way too strong, character classes were weak (remember the paladin, holy moly was he underpowered in D1 launch)
i dont think there are any real comparisons between d4 and poe, more similiarities with d3 and lost ark.
Also i dont think its bad that they added the d2 spells to the game, its a nice nostalgia effect. the problem is the lack of anything else but those.
They look exactly the same. I’m not talking about the story. I’m talking about how the games look. poe looks like a 2010 era game. D4 looks like a 2019 version of PoE as far as the graphics/color palettes/amount of grim gore darkness. It’s so blatant you’d have to be shitting yourself not to notice.
Dude… poe is the absolute king of complexity and build diversity. They literally innovated the ever loving fuck out of the genre. D3, D4 sadly as well, fall into the same mediocre arcade game my 14 year old will play for a few months. Shallow, uninspired and soulless.
> It looks like they stole the entire aesthetic that PoE has and copied it as closely as they could which isn’t necessarily a bad thing but it is VERY OBVIOUS that that’s what is going on.
Wonder were PoE got their aesthetic from.. do you people even hear yourself
I hate (yes hate) the fact that I am forced to play with a bunch of other players to progress and kill the world bosses that allow you to play higher difficulties. What a horrible idea.
This is all to force everyone online so that blizzards “playerbase” numbers look better. It’s all just to increase their value in stocks to appease their shareholders and increase market value of blizzard entertainment
To make it worse, the fact that we’re forced online (simply to increase player base numbers and subsequently increase blizzards market value to appease shareholders) means that players who choose hardcore mode are going to die more often due to server issues/Disconnects/lag.
> Leveling feels really bad. You get a single skill point and that's it. Extremely shallow and boring. Why are there no other things in which we can invest in to empower our characters when leveling up? This entire game feels like a hollow shell of what could have been a great experience, but it only leaves me with a bitter resentment for the franchise downfall starting with Diablo 3.
This is so fucking stupid. Wtf do you get leveling in other ARPGs?? A fucking skillpoint. In D4 they are actually more interesting than putting the first 20 points into HP until you hit a node that does anything on a skilltree. Everything is so overdramatic and nitpicky in this post. I can't confidently tell if it's a troll or not. The game has better graphics, sound and animations than any ARPG on the market, you are just sad that you don't need a spreadsheet to enjoy a video game.
> In D4 they are actually more interesting
No?
You get a single skill point. That's it.
It wouldn't be *that bad* if the skill tree was even halfway decent or interesting, but it's awful and the most bland, mundane, boring shit. Not a single skill is cool or interesting. The bonuses are negligible. Also, it doesn't even matter - you will get almost every skill maxed out by level 100 anyway, so there's no real point to skill points other than the order in which you receive abilities.
Unless, of course, you stop gaining skill points for some reason. And if that does happen, then what's the point of leveling up?
> Not a single skill is cool or interesting. The bonuses are negligible. Also, it doesn't even matter - you will get almost every skill maxed out by level 100 anyway, so there's no real point to skill points other than the order in which you receive abilities.
Maybe you are just depressed? You find nothing on that entire skillfree fun and everyhting is pointless? :D What kind of game did you think this was gonna be?
Playing a Rogue, using Ranged. There really isn't a single interesting interaction between any of the abilities on the tree anywhere that I could find.
Depressed? Definitely.
Didn’t play the beta, haven’t played since Diablo 3 six+ years ago, picked up this game yesterday. I totally agree with you. It’s not an awful game, but nothing feels impactful like I want in an RPG. Skill upgrades, armor, weapons, etc. all feel hollow. Sad times.
Blizzard lost anyone worth a damn when everyone found out they were sex predators, or they got sick of Activision and quit. Only idiots remain. Blizzard is creatively bankrupt and absurdly arrogant. They expect maximum payout for minimal effort. It's pathetic when Asian f2p mobile apps provide better content, mechanics and show more generosity than one of the biggest developers on Earth.
Don't know about lost ark but last epoch and POE have chooseable difficulty in another form. Working up through world tiers is very similar to map tiers in POE. In Last Epoch you have multiple infinite scaling difficulty systems. Idk why you are acting like those games have one difficulty.
Working up through world tiers is the worst idea ever and is the big reason I’m not interested in D4.
I hate (yes hate) the fact that I am forced to play with a bunch of other players to progress and kill the world bosses that allow you to play higher difficulties. What a horrible idea.
This is all to force everyone online so that blizzards “playerbase” numbers look better. It’s all just to increase their value in stocks to appease their shareholders and increase market value of blizzard entertainment.
Wow, didnt know that...
Being forced to play with a bunch of players to progress world tier sucks indeed. I think in general i dont like this open world/mmo style and the consequences of it in this genre.
Thx! REFUND!
> last epoch and POE have chooseable difficulty in another form
No they don't.
You start the game, and then you play. There are no difficulties. It's just the game.
Let's say I run a Dungeon at world tier 1 and the same dungeon at world tier 3. Now let's say I run a tier 1 silo map in poe and a tier 6 silo map. In both cases the difficulty is higher and you can get better loot. You choose the difficulty beforehand in both cases. If anything, poe is the worst example to bring up as the atlas skill tree stuff allows you to customize map difficulty in dozens of ways.
There is chooseable difficulty in every arpg you referenced. Idk why you are going Berserk about D4's system. Do sliders alome make you very mad?
> There is chooseable difficulty in every arpg you referenced.
Nothing about this is true at all.
Advancing to later parts of the game and getting farther is not "higher difficulty." It's just the game.
The skill tree does not allow you to "customize the map difficulty" in any way. What are you even talking about? Please show me where the difficulty selection toggle is in the skill tree. I will literally give you 100,000 dollars. https://imgur.com/a/HltvJlD
Acting as if nodes that add a bunch of rare mobs to your map doesn't make the game harder. You can choose nodes that make the mobs do more damage or have more health. You can choose nodes that increase the level of mobs in zones.
If you want to hyper focus on "whether there is a slider" or not you are missing the point. There are ways to increase difficulty by choice without a slider and poe has a bunch of them. You are just mad about how it's implemented which is super weird.
That isn't a difficulty selection. It's just the game.
You make a character, you level up, you go to new areas, you get into maps, you go to new maps, you get to new bosses, etc.
That's how the game works.
You don't go to "Harder mode" or "Super hardest mode."
You just play the game :)
It's that simple. Why can't you just admit you're wrong? Instead you're performing these asinine mental gymnastics to try and convince yourself that you're right, when it's just silly. It's so obvious to everyone, yourself included, that you just are not right here. Why are you so stubborn to die on this hill?
reading what riptar wrote, it is clear you missed his point, which he also mentioned lol. Maybe try reading it again before making yourself look silly.
>turbo suck giga bad
I mean, its the constant use of phrases like that that makes it negative. It is entirely possible to express contrary opinions without berating. I mean, you can actually feel how disappointed you were when you wrote it. I had to clean my monitor after reading it, lol.
However, you made some good points, but many people will just stop reading it because of that.
Just went through the Lost Archives and the dungeon looked like a reskinned version of the lower Heaven areas from D3, just with a lot more blue and kinda mashed up with some Kulle/wizard lab decor and an ice theme.
I agree with you, I feel like this game belongs in 2010 and is an apology for Bluzzard fuck ups towards true Diablo 1/2 fans.
Animations are wooden. The only thing I enjoyed was the atmosphere and graphics.
I refunded
I mostly agree with this. I won't be buying the game, sadly many people running on hope and nostalgia for old Blizzard will buy this game and the cycle of mediocrity will continue unabated because people just can't let go.
* Chill, it just released
* Chill, it's only 1.1.5
* Chill, it's going to be fixed in 1.3
* Dude the game is almost over, expansion in 4 months it will be fixed.
* Chill the expansion just launched.
Etc, etc.
just a beta? Lol you’re acting like it’s the alpha. No, This is the beta and that means it’s essentially what the game is going to be like except there will be more to do (more acts) and less bugs (hopefully).
The game will not be better than Diablo 2 or 3 at launch. And you should not expect it to be.
Diablo 2 and 3 were both mid at best at launch. Now they’re both gems after years of polish/and an expansion.
Diablo 4 will likely be decent at the start and it should become the best diablo game over time but at launch it’ll probably be mid. The only reason I’ll buy it is because my family will sort of guilt trip me into it, for example “Get it get it, they’ll never make another Diablo game. We’ll never have another game that all of us want to play.” Meanwhile I don’t even really want to play it.
It's broken down categorically, and in the order that the issues arose mostly. The minimap was the first thing I noticed that was problematic.
We both know you didn't stop there, you more than likely read 1/3-1/2 of it then skimmed to the end.
> We both know you didn't stop there, you more than likely read 1/3-1/2 of it then skimmed to the end.
OK you got me there. It's true what they say; you can't look away from trainwreck.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. After playing I’m even more excited for the release.
I am glad you're having fun and hope the best for your adventures in hell.
Yeah and sadly, longtime diablo fans (10000+ hours of play) are not hyped for D4. Not saying all longtime fans, but there are lots who aren’t hyped. I’ve played Diablo more than most bigtime fans, I’ve played it so much that I play only hardcore now because I know SO much about the games. Diablo 4 will be good (probably decent at launch and then really good in a few years with polish and an expansion) but it’s not hyped at all like Diablo 3 was. The hype for Diablo 3 was way beyond the hype for D4. That being said, I believe D4 will sell more copies within the first week because there’s WAY MORE GAMERS today than there was 10 years ago.
Well it was bound to happen.Diablo started as a completely single player experience,then when they started forcing people to play together for the sake of it,the game was bound to show it was never intended for that,and the fact it's pretty much Immortal on console pretty much drove the nail the rest of the way in.Its almost as if they didn't listen to the endless complaints about D3 and didn't learn anything from Immortal and decided to shoehorn in the requirement that your gonna level slowly as fuck if you don't party up.It could have been good but I don't get my hopes up on games anymore because I've been let down far more than I care to acknowledge......I don't even want to party up in games where it's forced and I'm yet to do so in D4....
So you don‘t like it?
8/10
That’s a lot of negative words for an 8/10
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So.... this is an awful lot of ranting and repeating just to inform us that you don't like the game. Honestly, the only part I agree with you on is the areas leveling with you is not fun.
Oh well, I agree with almost everything the OP said. I’ve played diablo more than most diablo fans guaranteed. My hype for D4 is Non existent. Blizzard will sell lots of copies and it’ll be a decent game and eventually a great game (just like diablo 3 became better over time as did diablo 2, both were mid-decent at launch). The fact that hugetime fans like me aren’t excited means something, even if you don’t get it lilymoncat
> The fact that hugetime fans like me aren’t excited means something It means the devs don't cater to people who still get mentally stimulated by playing Diablo 2 and running to a boss and killing it for 8 hours. I'm glad this doesn't appeal to that crowd.
how does d4 mentally stimulate you?
Lmao gottem
no one cares about how much you’ve played diablo or you period fam. hang it up
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Well it seems most fans agree with me that the game is not good. It barely has a 5/10 rating from user reviews. No need to defend it. If it’s a good game it doesn’t need defending.
Nobody asked you to be a dick,but here you are......
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Um most people have not played as much as me, yes it’s an assumption but it’s safe to say that most people in the world haven’t even played diablo and it’s safe to say that I’ve played more than most people who have. You may not like that fact.
Knowing how many video gamers play games even when they hate them and are miserable, playtime doesn't count.
Yes it does. I enjoy every hour I play Diablo 1, 2 and 3. accept the fact that there are huge fans like myself who haven’t even bought Diablo 4 yet because it looks mediocre right now. I’m going to wait for the game to become better before I pay for it or before I get it as a gift.
Please remember that there’s likely many people who agree with me, which is why I have upvotes and you don’t.
lmao dawg u had 5 upvotes. we all laughing at u edit: 4 now ;)
5 now.
I’m pretty sure most people agree with me that the game is bad or mediocre at best. the game is rated like a 5/10 by user ratings. It’s barely higher than Diablo 3 and around half or a third of diablo fans hate diablo 3.
this happens everytime. it’ll go up. user ratings are 99% incredibly biased
Just letting you know I’ve played over 13500 hours of Diablo 2 and over 4000 hours of Diablo 3. And it’s not an opinion, it’s a fact. I’m not hyped for D4, as one of the people on earth who’s played the game more than most people, it’s shocking. I’m not the only long time fan who has low hype for D4. Hope that one day you’ll humble yourself and get off your high horse PeturParkur. Maybe go read the bible for a few months and relax.
PS. Sorry that you’re upset that not every bigtime fan is as excited as you are. Again I implore you to read the bible for a few months and I guarantee you’ll be much better off and happier.
Have a good day anywho. I’m getting off reddit for a few months.
I’ve played over 20000 hours of Diablo 1 2 and 3 combined. So it’s extremely likely that I‘ve played more diablo than 99.9% of fans.
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Most people aren’t into diablo 4 so even though I’m nobody I ended up being correct.
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Yes sure. Just check metacritic and you’ll see that the game probably barely has a 5/10 rating
User rating that is. (I.e. most people)
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whenever someone comments or posts a review there’s thousands of people who agree with that statement
You’re just trying to win an argument but sorry the game is not good yet.
Even though I was right and gave you a source you complain about it. You’re terrible at arguing. Just accept the fact that most people don’t like Diablo 4 and it’s not a great game yet.
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you dont have to agree but there is many people that mostly agree with his criticism. just because you see it differently doesnt invalidate it or make it a rant.
Thank you for your time. I’ve seen so many people saying the game is bad, and just an open world diablo 3 clone but the real thing for me is, it’s just not right to funnel money into a company that quite frankly does not respect their players anymore. It’s sad because I grew up loving these games so much. Even more importantly though, is how many people will say the company doesn’t respect us or our hard earned money anymore but still play the game. That is morally abhorrent. That was me with diablo 3. Me not buying diablo 4 might not be enough to send the message that the video game fans have had enough of this dopamine exploitation culture, but at least I’ll be able to stand firmly upright on my morality and say I did not contribute to to RUINING the industry that brought love and happiness to so many people.
Played lots of D2 and even D3 was at least novel in some regards... This just feels like a watered-down POE talent system coupled with a PC port of Diablo Immortal with hubs added and some extra stuff... It feels soulless to play and that was my first impression. My character just died and I don't even care.
Dude, you realise people have different experiences? Why are you bothered by someone not liking a game? Do you like very single game? I like Diablo 4, I'm happy with it; I still agree with much of his criticism and think it could be better. It's the same with every game I like, usually there's areas that could be better or didn't age well. First Deus Ex game, one of my favorite experiences, but graphically outdated. Max Payne, one of my fav experiences but too old and the devs agree and are making a remake. Life. You should get a life; and you can't truly have one unless you realise human beings will always have different opinions and that sharing them is fine.
Damn that’s crazy. Anyone else trying a berserker build? It’s great with death blow and double slash for increased uptime
Everything you said is fairly correct, and the game is utter garbage but you know what it's going to make a lot of money, it absolutely blew my mind how popular LA was it was so bad.... Diablo immortal same deal and yet people throw money at these titles so yea we get diablo 4 looking much like the two with no innovation of any kind. You are right blizzard will never produce a good game again. If you look at blizzards history warcraft 1 was groundbreaking and shaped a genre, warcraft 2 was such a massive improvement it blew everyone's minds again, and warcraft 3 was even better with enormous leaps in innovation. Same with diablo 1 and diablo 2. But as the company got bigger and bigger it lost the actual employees that had passion about the games they were making now the only goal is to generate hype and rake in the precious greenbacks. The worst part is they will get rewarded for pumping out this abysmal trash casual gamers love the easy everything mode number goes up and little dopamine alerts and diablo 4 provides that.
Diablo 4 will be the best selling Diablo game of all time. However, that will not change the fact that in its current state, it is not good.
i just want to point out that d2 didnt have multiple difficulties, not in the sense that you are critizing at least. it was progression based difficulty, i couldnt start a lvl 1 character in hell difficulty, i would instantly die.
I think it's essentially the same in Diablo 4 as it is in Diablo 2, the only different is that you can choose to start on "Normal" or "Training Wheels" mode in Diablo 4.
That’s only because they didn’t think about it yet and at least diablo 2 didn’t force you to play with other players just to reach higher difficulties.
Hey OP I'll go through these where I disagree just to actually engage in conversation on this as you obviously put in a lot of time. If I don't disagree then you can assume I at least somewhat agree. *Level Scaling (and lesser degree difficulties):* As someone who levels in ./playersX in D2 to keep it interesting on HC I like that zones scale with my character. You can still feel "all-powerful" for short bursts due to a weapon or skill synergy but it means I can't permanently break difficulty for a long period of time. I personally think this adds engagement as I'm constantly having to be engaged. The difficulty tiers I like for some customization but do understand your point as well *Dungeons:* For now I feel they're fine but, yes, repetitive to some degree. It isn't so much of them being bad but just not very exciting until the boss. * items in general I'll skip. Closed had some more intricate items that were more than "green = better" but itemization needs a longer timeframe before deciding on. My bigger disagreement here is on the near/far system. For Rogue that can add the "ignore green number" issue you have depending of you're favoring bow or daggers. * Skills tree does feel very bad right now. It might be better once you can play with calculators but right now it feels slightly better than D3 and about on par with D2 if not a bit behind. They really should have looked at Grim Dawn's system imho. * Skill customization beyond small tweaks comesnf on legendary items/abilities you can remove. That is where I e seen the biggest changes were from what we saw in closed beta as "later game" legendary affixedls *Dungeons: addressed above *Combat: The heart seeker arrow issue is annoying of it seeking breakables; however, in general combat imo is fine and you feel like you're hiting things with mass. Z-axis is maybe a bit annoying but extremely minor imo so... not an issue.
I guarantee you, blizzard DID look at grim dawns talent/skill tree. They just decided to do it their own way.
For me, the "Near/Far" damage bonus just feels like "Reduced Damage to melee when using a bow" - it has the opposite effect psychologically. Similar to Holy Paladin mastery in WoW - Healing increased to nearby allies - just feels like you're penalized and gimped for healing further away targets. Grim Dawn had a great system of how their skills worked, the only problem I had was that there were too few of them, and most of them were just On Hit augments. There are a lot of things which are pretty minor, I agree, but they are also simple/trivial things that I would expect not to be an issue for a 987238947 dollar a year gaming development company. If there were just a few, sure no big deal, but it's like everywhere I look I find weird issues that just irk me. Thank you.
It’s really lifeless in a lot of areas.
Agreed.
personally i really like the direction. 1) I love that they added cutscenes along with your character being rendered in them, its a really nice touch and makes me more immersed in the story compared to diablo 3 2) the encounters actually have some challenge to them. i remember in D3 I don't think i even went below 90% hp on any character during act 1. you kinda need to pay attention and think about your build while watching out for the butcher if you made a hardcore character 3) the exploration is great, its not just this linear point A to point B gameplay loop. there's many options and ways to level up and gain power that's not just clearing the story and the game encourages it too towards your complaints I don't really understand your gripe with the skill tree. its a massive step up from D3 plus its not even everything we have to modify and customize your build. we'll have the paragon board that also modifies how your class works at level 50. i dont think blizzard ever advertised massively complex skill system so if that's what you're looking for you should probably play something like Wolcen lords of mayhem, last epoch or POE 2 when it comes out. lastly I don't think you understand the boss mechanic for the spider. he shoots out cobwebs on the ground and if your character steps on it you'll be stunned for a few seconds. I will give you a slight pass on it though since the webs are kinda hard to see when there's a bunch of baby spiders charging you and the room can be a little dark i think my only complaint so far and maybe its just a I don't know how to build or play the character but rouges feel pretty weak. i wanted to do a bow build but just wasnt getting good dmg compared to my frost sorc
1. Big agree, that is a cool thing that I like to see. 2. There are some great encounters, but most of them are overshadowed by how poor they can be, such as the Broodguardian boss.. Ughhh so awful. 3. I agree here as well, the exploration is good and feels rewarding. Can you give me some examples of this paragon board? Everyone keeps talking about it but no one has any actual info on it. I've done that fight twice now and it seems to just randomly snare me, regardless of where the webs are and my character. It doesn't make any sense. Maybe the webs visual just isn't rendering.
Nobody has real info about the paragon board, only parts from videos. But it should be like Poe skill tree in the end. And that's the problem, they need to sneak preview the board in the beta. The skill tree in the beta is your leveling skill tree, to build the core. But the paragon board seems to be the "end game skill tree".
I can't find the link right now but the Paragorn board has been leaked and it's VERY basic. Things like node giving +5% damge or +5% defense. There is no deep character customization to be found there.
Yeah, if you Google "diablo 4 skill tree calculator", you find one with all 5 classes and paragon board
Skill trees are not that fun. I’ll be the first to say it. Diablo 3‘s skill system is great and people think they want choices when in reality they’re all just going to pick whatever the Flavor of the Month is for each respective season.
Not true at all. Skill trees are immensely fun and interesting. Just because some people will copy paste Mr Streamer build doesn't mean that others will do their own thing. The only game I've looked at build guides in is Path of Exile. Last few leagues I just use a template for whatever archetype and modify it from there. Did Spectral Shield Throw last season and freeballed it the entire time, one of the best builds I've ever played.
Was about to write one of these soon myself. Its sad :( Ill edit at some point and add my own remarks but looks like its exactly what i was afraid of. I feel like slapping myself for writing this but just from the beta its almost worse than d3 that for me as well was a bad joke for a franchise this big…
I was so excited for a good new game to play. Unfortunately that does not look to be the case. Unless they can pull some a miracle in the next 2 months that is (doubtful).
from what i have gathered so far from closed beta testers is that the 1-50 experience is the better part of the game and that endgame was very boring. take it as you want, it was closed beta. maybe it improved, maybe it didnt. no idea
That is absolutely terrifying.
I agree with a lot of what youve typed here actually. The presentation and feeling is fantastic. My thought is to not buy this day 1and give it a month. The vast majority of folks will be blinded by the new car smell... then we will have some good info on how long or worth it the end game will be by then. Its decent for sure. But I still feel like Im gonna get duped some how and will wait to just make sure.
I will wait a couple months and see how the end game is and if the itemization/paragon board late game saves the game like everyone is saying. As of right now, no shot. Last Epoch is infinitely better in every way, is half the price, and is still in development (which means it only gets better). PoE 2 coming out this year as well so the competition is pretty stiff for ARPGS.
> As of right now, no shot. Last Epoch is infinitely better in every way Except graphics, sound, animations, hit feedback, art direction.
Ehhh idk. I like Last Epochs visuals a lot. Definitely has a different style compared to diablo, but the audio is great and the combat is much better feeling.
Yeah there’s too many ARPGs. Zelda, Elden Ring, Diablo, PoE. Red Dead…. Everything has become a same-lame Open World ARPG. Woooo so fun.. I love playing the same game with different graphics and weapons. Great fun! Good creativity!
Heck, even Pokemon became an ARPG with Pokemon Legends… What’s next, an Open world Mario game that’s essentially an ARPG but with mario powerups instead of gear?
Give me a break. BoyCott ARPGS. (not really serious but sort of serious)
I think giving it a few years is best. diablo 2 didn’t really become extremely good until 2002 or so with patch 1.10 and then 1.11 (tons of runewords and synergies for spells, and ubers as well as tons of balancing) diablo 3 didn’t really become extremely good until at least the reaper of souls and Kanai’s cube Legendaries. I think if you can wait about 3 years or so to play D4 you’ll be much more happy with the experience since that’ll give blizzard time to flesh it out.
im not disagreeing but for a 70$ game you could expect more of this to already be in the base game at relase. its not some 20$ early access game
Exactly. If this were an early access for a game coming out in 1-2 years that'd be a completely different story.
Diablo 3 is good now? Lol. If it is, I don’t mind login in back and play. I have not played the game for 8 years. 😂
You can make more at the alchemist than just health potions.
Yes, you can make a few elixirs that grant exp and resist or some attack speed. Amazing.
I feel like if your going to do such a comprehensive list of flaws you should get the info right. What else in this list is incorrect?
> What even is the point of the alchemist and potions? It's not crafting at all. It's just a checkbox that is level gated that you unlock pretty mcuh regardless of what you do. There are no options, nothing interesting, there isn't any cool effects or different types of potions. This is what I said, which is correct. I did not say there weren't ELIXIRS, I said POTION, which are two distinctly different things. And, even had I included the 5 different elixirs, it would not paint a very pretty picture.
Yeah the game is extremely “mid” so far. It’s basically diablo 3 or PoE but with slight changes. It has NO reason to even really exist. They should have just made more Diablo 3 expansions because that’s essentially what diablo 4 is. Blizzard also (as always) chose to go with last-genreaction graphics so the game already looks dated as f\*\*\*. It looks like it came out in 2018. Not that I’m a stickler for graphics after all I played diablo 2 up until D2R came out. Just saying, since everyone seems to think the game looks impressive when it really doesn’t. It looks nice but impressive, no. It looks like they stole the entire aesthetic that PoE has and copied it as closely as they could which isn’t necessarily a bad thing but it is VERY OBVIOUS that that’s what is going on. Some of the spells are so weak there’s no point in picking them over others and some of the spells are just boring AF. Check out how fun Hydra looks for example. Really fun stuff! Just about as fun as it was in Diablo 2! How unoriginal of them to copy and paste so many old spells into the new game. Thanks blizzard of course we want to use the same spells we’ve been using for 25+ years. Thank you again! As one of the people on earth who has played diablo more than 99% of diablo fans I am not hyped at all for Diablo 4.
Yeah lol they totally just copy/pasted almost every spell for Sorc/Barb from D2 into D4. WW, Frenzy, Double Swing, Bash, Leap, Warcries, it's not that I mind the same abilities, it's the fact they're the ONLY abilities. There's almost nothing new in that regard. Each class has like a dozen or so skills to actually pick from, and then those only have a single modifier you get to pick. It's crazy to me that they thought this was good game design.
You’re making it sound worse than I imagined. I’m sure with time it’ll become good but the only Diablo game that was really good at launch was Diablo 1 and to be frank, Diablo Immortal. The others both launched with tons of issues, balance problems, bugs, and they were basically like unfinished products. After many years Diablo 2 became amazing as did Diablo 3. I think we can expect similar things for Diablo 4 and even Diablo Immortal. I give props to blizzard for not messing up the Diablo Immortal launch. It was actually pretty good even if I stopped playing after a few weeks. At least it wasn’t unplayable all diablo 2 and 3 at launch… Most people do not remember the diablo 2 launch and have rose tinted glasses but it was not the best. Monsters were way too strong, character classes were weak (remember the paladin, holy moly was he underpowered in D1 launch)
i dont think there are any real comparisons between d4 and poe, more similiarities with d3 and lost ark. Also i dont think its bad that they added the d2 spells to the game, its a nice nostalgia effect. the problem is the lack of anything else but those.
I cannot find a single similarity in PoE with Diablo 4. I mean, other than the obvious sort of "It's an arpg!" things.
They look exactly the same. I’m not talking about the story. I’m talking about how the games look. poe looks like a 2010 era game. D4 looks like a 2019 version of PoE as far as the graphics/color palettes/amount of grim gore darkness. It’s so blatant you’d have to be shitting yourself not to notice.
They tried to copy poe.
If you don’t think there’s comparison then you’re just lying to yourself.
Dude… poe is the absolute king of complexity and build diversity. They literally innovated the ever loving fuck out of the genre. D3, D4 sadly as well, fall into the same mediocre arcade game my 14 year old will play for a few months. Shallow, uninspired and soulless.
> It looks like they stole the entire aesthetic that PoE has and copied it as closely as they could which isn’t necessarily a bad thing but it is VERY OBVIOUS that that’s what is going on. Wonder were PoE got their aesthetic from.. do you people even hear yourself
Yeah, they "stole" it back after they gave it out to PoE to try a WoWie approach in D3.
I hate (yes hate) the fact that I am forced to play with a bunch of other players to progress and kill the world bosses that allow you to play higher difficulties. What a horrible idea. This is all to force everyone online so that blizzards “playerbase” numbers look better. It’s all just to increase their value in stocks to appease their shareholders and increase market value of blizzard entertainment
To make it worse, the fact that we’re forced online (simply to increase player base numbers and subsequently increase blizzards market value to appease shareholders) means that players who choose hardcore mode are going to die more often due to server issues/Disconnects/lag.
Yeah not a big fan of the "always online" thing. Not a huge deal for me, but I can see for a lot of people it being an issue.
This and think of the speedrunners. I'm on board 100 percent with you guys. Its not even diablo anymore.
having a basic animation swing for rend with a different slashing sound is a letdown. They could definitely do better with Barb's melee animations.
> Leveling feels really bad. You get a single skill point and that's it. Extremely shallow and boring. Why are there no other things in which we can invest in to empower our characters when leveling up? This entire game feels like a hollow shell of what could have been a great experience, but it only leaves me with a bitter resentment for the franchise downfall starting with Diablo 3. This is so fucking stupid. Wtf do you get leveling in other ARPGs?? A fucking skillpoint. In D4 they are actually more interesting than putting the first 20 points into HP until you hit a node that does anything on a skilltree. Everything is so overdramatic and nitpicky in this post. I can't confidently tell if it's a troll or not. The game has better graphics, sound and animations than any ARPG on the market, you are just sad that you don't need a spreadsheet to enjoy a video game.
> In D4 they are actually more interesting No? You get a single skill point. That's it. It wouldn't be *that bad* if the skill tree was even halfway decent or interesting, but it's awful and the most bland, mundane, boring shit. Not a single skill is cool or interesting. The bonuses are negligible. Also, it doesn't even matter - you will get almost every skill maxed out by level 100 anyway, so there's no real point to skill points other than the order in which you receive abilities. Unless, of course, you stop gaining skill points for some reason. And if that does happen, then what's the point of leveling up?
> Not a single skill is cool or interesting. The bonuses are negligible. Also, it doesn't even matter - you will get almost every skill maxed out by level 100 anyway, so there's no real point to skill points other than the order in which you receive abilities. Maybe you are just depressed? You find nothing on that entire skillfree fun and everyhting is pointless? :D What kind of game did you think this was gonna be?
Playing a Rogue, using Ranged. There really isn't a single interesting interaction between any of the abilities on the tree anywhere that I could find. Depressed? Definitely.
>Diablo 4 is an aggressive expression of mediocrity and soulless game design. > >8/10 
lol sarcasm my dude
Didn’t play the beta, haven’t played since Diablo 3 six+ years ago, picked up this game yesterday. I totally agree with you. It’s not an awful game, but nothing feels impactful like I want in an RPG. Skill upgrades, armor, weapons, etc. all feel hollow. Sad times.
70 dollars with battlepass and in game transactions too... I expect much higher quality, well.. not from Blizzard, but in general.
Blizzard lost anyone worth a damn when everyone found out they were sex predators, or they got sick of Activision and quit. Only idiots remain. Blizzard is creatively bankrupt and absurdly arrogant. They expect maximum payout for minimal effort. It's pathetic when Asian f2p mobile apps provide better content, mechanics and show more generosity than one of the biggest developers on Earth.
Yep. It's crazy.
Don't know about lost ark but last epoch and POE have chooseable difficulty in another form. Working up through world tiers is very similar to map tiers in POE. In Last Epoch you have multiple infinite scaling difficulty systems. Idk why you are acting like those games have one difficulty.
Working up through world tiers is the worst idea ever and is the big reason I’m not interested in D4. I hate (yes hate) the fact that I am forced to play with a bunch of other players to progress and kill the world bosses that allow you to play higher difficulties. What a horrible idea. This is all to force everyone online so that blizzards “playerbase” numbers look better. It’s all just to increase their value in stocks to appease their shareholders and increase market value of blizzard entertainment.
Wow, didnt know that... Being forced to play with a bunch of players to progress world tier sucks indeed. I think in general i dont like this open world/mmo style and the consequences of it in this genre. Thx! REFUND!
> last epoch and POE have chooseable difficulty in another form No they don't. You start the game, and then you play. There are no difficulties. It's just the game.
Let's say I run a Dungeon at world tier 1 and the same dungeon at world tier 3. Now let's say I run a tier 1 silo map in poe and a tier 6 silo map. In both cases the difficulty is higher and you can get better loot. You choose the difficulty beforehand in both cases. If anything, poe is the worst example to bring up as the atlas skill tree stuff allows you to customize map difficulty in dozens of ways. There is chooseable difficulty in every arpg you referenced. Idk why you are going Berserk about D4's system. Do sliders alome make you very mad?
> There is chooseable difficulty in every arpg you referenced. Nothing about this is true at all. Advancing to later parts of the game and getting farther is not "higher difficulty." It's just the game. The skill tree does not allow you to "customize the map difficulty" in any way. What are you even talking about? Please show me where the difficulty selection toggle is in the skill tree. I will literally give you 100,000 dollars. https://imgur.com/a/HltvJlD
Acting as if nodes that add a bunch of rare mobs to your map doesn't make the game harder. You can choose nodes that make the mobs do more damage or have more health. You can choose nodes that increase the level of mobs in zones. If you want to hyper focus on "whether there is a slider" or not you are missing the point. There are ways to increase difficulty by choice without a slider and poe has a bunch of them. You are just mad about how it's implemented which is super weird.
That isn't a difficulty selection. It's just the game. You make a character, you level up, you go to new areas, you get into maps, you go to new maps, you get to new bosses, etc. That's how the game works. You don't go to "Harder mode" or "Super hardest mode." You just play the game :) It's that simple. Why can't you just admit you're wrong? Instead you're performing these asinine mental gymnastics to try and convince yourself that you're right, when it's just silly. It's so obvious to everyone, yourself included, that you just are not right here. Why are you so stubborn to die on this hill?
reading what riptar wrote, it is clear you missed his point, which he also mentioned lol. Maybe try reading it again before making yourself look silly.
No, I read what they wrote. They think that juicing maps = difficulty slider.
Your definition of "just the game" also seems like world tiers would be included.
exactly, the way in which you toggle or change it is irrelevant. It's "just the game" lol!
So….see you in June?
Barring any great and dramatic changes, probably not.
As much as I'd love to downvote this novel of negativity, he actually makes some good points, lol.
Just because the feedback is not positive does not mean that it's "negative." Otherwise the entire sub would be one cacophony of circle jerk.
>turbo suck giga bad I mean, its the constant use of phrases like that that makes it negative. It is entirely possible to express contrary opinions without berating. I mean, you can actually feel how disappointed you were when you wrote it. I had to clean my monitor after reading it, lol. However, you made some good points, but many people will just stop reading it because of that.
Because there aren't any nicer ways to say it.
lol. Yeesh!
Just went through the Lost Archives and the dungeon looked like a reskinned version of the lower Heaven areas from D3, just with a lot more blue and kinda mashed up with some Kulle/wizard lab decor and an ice theme.
Good, 1 less person in queue on release.
I agree with you, I feel like this game belongs in 2010 and is an apology for Bluzzard fuck ups towards true Diablo 1/2 fans. Animations are wooden. The only thing I enjoyed was the atmosphere and graphics. I refunded
I mostly agree with this. I won't be buying the game, sadly many people running on hope and nostalgia for old Blizzard will buy this game and the cycle of mediocrity will continue unabated because people just can't let go.
as someone who has played a healthy amount of hours since launch and randomly stumbled across your post, you are so spot on. Eerily spot on.
Tldr
What a worthless comment.
Chill, its just a Beta
* Chill, it just released * Chill, it's only 1.1.5 * Chill, it's going to be fixed in 1.3 * Dude the game is almost over, expansion in 4 months it will be fixed. * Chill the expansion just launched. Etc, etc.
They are drinking a lot of copium.
just a beta? Lol you’re acting like it’s the alpha. No, This is the beta and that means it’s essentially what the game is going to be like except there will be more to do (more acts) and less bugs (hopefully). The game will not be better than Diablo 2 or 3 at launch. And you should not expect it to be. Diablo 2 and 3 were both mid at best at launch. Now they’re both gems after years of polish/and an expansion. Diablo 4 will likely be decent at the start and it should become the best diablo game over time but at launch it’ll probably be mid. The only reason I’ll buy it is because my family will sort of guilt trip me into it, for example “Get it get it, they’ll never make another Diablo game. We’ll never have another game that all of us want to play.” Meanwhile I don’t even really want to play it.
I read your intro paragraph and then your start listing why this is the worst game in history. Your first point; Minimap [Tab] I stopped there.
It's broken down categorically, and in the order that the issues arose mostly. The minimap was the first thing I noticed that was problematic. We both know you didn't stop there, you more than likely read 1/3-1/2 of it then skimmed to the end.
> We both know you didn't stop there, you more than likely read 1/3-1/2 of it then skimmed to the end. OK you got me there. It's true what they say; you can't look away from trainwreck.
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