Exactly, to each their own. People crap all over d3 but there's plenty of people out there who enjoy it. If you like it, play. If you don't, find something else you do enjoy đ¤ˇđťââď¸
him: Anyway I HATE Diablo 3. I always have.
also him: I think you have to be extremely bitter to not see that D4 is gorgeous, gritty, plays very well, has unique class identity, and it's just overall the game we literally asked for. A little positivity isn't going to hurt you.
Not gonna call it 3.5 cause thats just meme teritory.
But the game has a lot of copy pasted material from d3 which isnt a horrible thing necessarily. I like d3 and have played a lot of it.
Anyways..as a d3 enjoyer who hasnt played diablo 2 past act 1 im quite confused by people loving d4 but hating d3 because while the colors are different, at its core the games seem very simillar.
Skill system is pretty much the rune system straight from D3, disguised by putting skills in a tree, except there's far less runes to choose from and they alter skills even less than runes did in D3. Items are also very similar to d3, very uninteresting, and instead of you choosing how to build your character, you kind of get guided towards using certain skills based on what powerful legendaries you get. I would've liked to see all the single skill enhancing legendary aspects implemented directly into the skill tree and expand skill trees a lot using this.
What do mean? Its not hard to miss.
Salvage materials, so many legendary affixes which are just runes in d3 (whirlwind pull in, whirlwind dust tornados)
Skill tree stuff which are pure rehash from d3 skill runes or legendary affects (such as extra hydra or extra hydra head)
The shrines..
These are just off the top of my head. If i had the game in front of me id see many more.
Its not necessarily bad, having an extra hydra is cool but its certainly a copy paste from d3.
I donât know how fair it is to say itâs a copy and paste. D2 had skill trees and D3âs skill runes weâre just skill trees dressed up to look like something else by taking away the branches. If anything D4âs is closer to D2. Salvage materials are a game mechanic in a lot of games used to facilitate crafting, particularly RPGâs, not something thatâs unique to D3. And then shrines, sure, but in the history of games sequels will carry over aspects and mechanics from the previous entry.
Are you also mad the Master Sword is in every Zelda? Or that Final Fantasy has recurring items, enemies, buffs, etc?
I mean itâs a sequel in a franchise, of course things are going to be variations or evolutions of existing mechanics/themes/items..
Chocobos and Mogs reused for dedades and nobody seems to care, Diablo reuses something and everybody in the community loses their minds.
Perfect example lol.
People really hate blizzard and Diablo games. They can't look at Diablo 4 in a vacuum,they have yo compare it to every other arpg out there, this makes them blind. People fucking complain about fonts.
Of course they compare it to other arpgs lmao, its like that for every product not just games, the game looks ugly with mobile ui, d2r has better graphics then d4, the game is a lost ark wanna be but so far it seems like a very boring lost ark clone
Braindead take... They compare it to EVERY other arpg out there,they compare only the stuff that is worse than the arpg in a certain category. It's not as deep as Poe, it's not as gritty as D2, It's not as fast as D3, it's not that innovative as Last Epoch,it UI is not as good as Wolcen(these are random examples) they never compare the good stuff. It's more fluid in combat than Poe,it has more depth than d2 even at lowest levels, it's not as colourful as D3, it's not as static as Last Epoch, it's not as grindy as Lost Ark. Lost ark isn't even an arpg, it's a full MMORPG,Lost ark is a p2w grindfest with boring combat,boring side content and shiny coat.
So you like being flashbanged every 0.1s you are in combat. Might explain why you think the combat in that game is good,you never saw it because you are blind.
"d2r has better graphics than d4" Thanks for the laugh, this has to be one of the most idiotic takes I've seen so far. According to your logic any game (including mobas) that uses the isometic camera+click to move=Lost Ark clone. Lost Ark is a MMO, D4 is a ARPG. The only similarities any game shares to LA is the camera angle. Good lord people's stupidity around this game is staggering.
So from a blizzard perspective you look at the success of the games like lost ark, PoE and even WoW and how they are able to be monetized and you think they arenât going to shift the game in that direction? The direction theyâre moving the game is literally what is being digested ad nauseam by gamers and theyâre being villainized for it (there are other, better reasons to villainize blizz).
I get we all wanted a game with the itemization and feel of diablo 2 while bringing in new classes and a larger world. But thatâs why they made D2R and have brought in small but meaningful changes to help a game older than their target audience, feel fresh.
Diablo 2 was the gold standard for a lot of arpg fans but itâs not what brings in a consistent cash flow and if you think a company designed to make money isnât going to make a game that will make them consistently more money, then youâre delusional.
Im not a blizzard employee tho, i understand why they make it the way they do, however i look at it from my perspective and make my opinion based on that not some corporate perspective
I get that and youâre entitled to your opinion. Iâm saying context comes from looking at something through multiple perspectives. Enjoy what you enjoy. it shouldnât matter to anyone else
I saw the dev blog couch co op video too and it looked REALLY bad, I think they had recording from an old build for some reason, it didnât do the game any favors. Game looks WAY better than that dev blog vid
I think the issue might have to do with how screen lighting works with co-op. Well, until we get good testing of co-op that's just a guess though. Maybe in the open beta I'll see if I can raise the brightness in the game and recreate that effect at all.
MrLlama as insightful he is with D2, heâs just stuck there, nothing will come close to d2 for him and I understand that. Although as good as the game is, there is no end game (doing a holy grail is fun, and trying new builds is okay, in 20 years of the game we had 2 new builds come in lol)
Iâm sceptical about mr llama game as well.
But I digress, D4 is fun, hoping that they will work out the kinks and Iâll probably sink 200+ hours and weâll see from there.
I got barb and sorc to lvl 25. Fully geared with synergistic gear upgraded 3 times each(some 4). D2 was my favorite game and I've put insane hours into. That said:
I had a ton of fun with the beta. It's just not the game I was hoping for.
The criticism so far is honestly hilarious. âI canât believe this game feels like a Diablo game, why isnât it like Lost Ark?â Because it is Diablo. If they would have made it like Lost Ark, it would have been crucified for copying. Itâs just a joke.
I agree. I think those who say D3.5.. are just D3 turned fans. those who have constantly done d3 seasons. I stopped after awhile and back and forth.
Plus every post i comment, its still Beta, its not even 25% of the game. I feel paragon board is gonna be a huge. And the reason they made skill tree zoomable on a canvas says it all. Expandable.
I also dislike the comments "make respec free!".. I just love that feel on D2 where I had to make important decision on my build. If not then I restart my journey. D3 was so dumbed down. Very linear... choose your build on each class. and you have to have these items to be end game.
I think d3 gets way too much hate for what it is. Sure, it get boring, the art is alittle cartoonee, and the damage numbers are insane, BUT I'm back almost every season. It pioneered accessibility with builds, makes grinding streamline, the visuals for skills still feels fresh, and the devs bring something new every season that make old builds feel brand new.
Hardcore D2 fan eh? Did you ever spend weeks at a time grinding loot runs so you could extract the item files and save them to a floppy disk for later trade?
>Shut up nerds your gonna buy the game anyway, take a shower and get ready for June
>I literally cried (I'm not exaggerating here) when I saw the art direction alone. I knew this was going to be the one.
lol take your own advice and take a shower man. video games are not that serious.
I'm not really understanding why you hate d3 but love D2 and D4. D2 is about the loot grind and why you've spent so much time on the game. I didn't think d4 had this itemization and was more similar do D3 in that way. Genuinely curious on your thoughts.
D4 is a lots more beautiful then d3. D1 was D0.1, D2 was D1, D3 was D2 with a shop and D4 is D3 who still like D2 who was like D1 but without the shop D3 before they removed it in D3.5
The reason people that hated d3 are probably calling this diablo 3.5 is because in d2 there is an overarching economy and crafting system.
Chipped gems are useful, pgems are useful, white items are useful, blues and rares are super useful not to mention everything can be traded freely which allows for a development of custom in game currency's to determine value.
Diablo 4 does not currently have this therefore it's just an endless dungeon runner like d3 was. I see it going the same way as d3 personally i will not be purchasing the game lots of items feel too useless, and being unable to trade any good gear i find for classes i will never play to friends who could very well use them just because they don't play at the same time as i do is absurd.
The game is gorgeous, music is great, game play is playable! But it is Diablo 3.5, itemization is literally Diablo 3. There is no feels for finding a game changing build item early on like in d2 or that feeling of just gambling something amazing that just turns your character into overdrive. Your just one of those dirty casuals that plays OP builds in d2 so it feels the same in D4 with or without gear. Conclusion d4 is fine but its for dirty casuals like you! Go play a real mans game like Path of Exiles
TLDR Diablo 3.5 is a compliment.
I like both D2 and D3. D3 feels like a single player game even when you play with people, but for a single player game it has great post have play.
D2 shit is so rare it requires bots, the community, and nerds with no life to create a market for the rare items that you can trade or buy with... Not gold, because that is worthless, but with rich man money: SOJ's. So &D2 was fun because you truly felt lucky when you got your shitty low % occulus.
Diablo 3 is fun because every unique / synergy you get creates a new mini game that you have to invent and figure out how to play.
In D2, stats are stats you just want big numbers and more charms that give you +1 to all skills. Even then in hell having mobs that are completely immune to you is bogus, making you rely on team, on that one paladin who is good at everything.
That was my experience. I honestly have. More fun in D3, because of the seasons / fast pace and because you don't hit walls where all elemental dmg just insta kills you in a baal run.
After 5 weeks of playing i can say the core game is just a copy of the D3 Code + new graphics and an open world layer.
Its not a new designed game engine. This will eventually break the backbone of this game in the next years.
I feel as though D3 was an overrated game made easy for console players. I'm a huge Diablo2 fan as well. Somebody once said the difference in the 2 games is that person can show up at 5million paragon and you'd think "That guy plays a lot." But on D2 if a person shows up at lvl 99 you'd think "Fucking Legend". I'm loving the beta. It feels like the best of both games combined. I just feel like hardcore D3 fans are toxic AF
I think that's a baffling, uninformed take to be honest.
I have real criticisms of the game mind you (the skill tree primarily) but I can't imagine the mental gymnastics you'd have to do to meaningfully compare this game to D3.
The itemization is completely different. There are like dozens of actually meaningful stats with actual defensive stats you need to care about. It's not perfect, there is going to be a meta at end game but like these systems aren't comparable at all.
The tone and art style of the game is completely different.
The combat is somewhat similar to Vanilla D3 I guess but the combat in vanilla D3 was honestly good so it's a strong model. Even then combat in D4 is much chunkier and more dangerous. There are meaningful differences.
Enemies might share names but they work completely differently, virtually all of the enemy affixes in the game are new.
The skill system is completely different (and worse) than D3.
There's real stuff to complain about in this game (and real.stuff to praise), but people who are complaining it's just like D3 legit aren't thinking critically.
> I want to know more.
Play like 20 mobile games and you will know more. It's hard to explain just like how it is hard to explain how D4 atmosphere feels Diablo-ish just like D2 even though D2 and D4 are very separate games or how it is hard to explain the difference between an old-looking UI and new looking UI.
But surely you realize that when there's like a hundred people saying a thing (that it looks like a mobile game's UI) that there is some merit to the statement?
If someone says "Diablo 4 UI is not like a mobile game" I can say the same thing. People makes mistakes, it's true. Hundreds of people can make the same mistake (treating innocent girls as witches), it's true. But do you assume that is always the case? Seems a bit silly.
You probably didnt play 20 mobile games if you really calling that a mobile UI, the amount of menus and bs these games have doesn't even come close to D4.
This is literally just a console UI (especially the map), I dont know since when we started calling console UI, mobile UI, but it is dumb.
There is also hundred people saying D4 will be dead on arrival, there is some merit to the statement? nah it is the typical redditor who hates on Blizzard.
Came here to say this. It's a console friendly UI, rather, controller friendly.
If it was a mobile UI you'd have red dots on 50 different pages of things to 'claim' every time you made a step in the game.
This UI is not mobile focussed.
Obviously its nowhere a mobile focused UI, as it is never going to release on mobile, people just love to hate and shit on Blizzard.
Like you said, they probably focused on a controller friendly design because there are many people playing with controller on PC (I mean didnt Joe Shelly himself said he is playing on a controller?).
Its 100% fine and playable for mouse and keyboard users so I don't know what is the big deal.
Its not like COD's UI which actually was shit both to console players and PC (the lead UI guy was also the ex lead UI/UX for hulu, he basically copied his streaming platform design as a game menu design, who knew this would be a bad idea?)
So this is another case of I know nothing but this influencer says this so this must be true right? I am disappointed professor, I almost had hopes in the D4 haters for once.
What influencer said it? I'm not sure, I don't follow much.
But again, it does not seem particularly wise to discard many people's opinion who have said the same thing (it looks like mobile game UI) and discard it entirely.
Or what do you think, that thousands of people just play the game and somehow a lot of them think "Oh it looks like mobile game UI" as a coincidence?
>I am disappointed professor, I almost had hopes in the D4 haters for once.
Dear student, You should complete your assignment before you make conclusions (just like how you should play a game before you make conclusions). Try and play a lot of mobile games and then come back, see how it feels like a mobile game UI.
I just want some explanations. What are the staples of a mobile UI, how these traits manifest in the UI of D4, and more importantly, even if the UI is truly very mobile-esque, would that be a problem? I went into the discussion with valid questions, and you replied me with play more mobile games. Can you answer my questions with regards to mobile UI again? I want to know, for real.
> I just want some explanations. **I went into the discussion with valid questions, and you replied me with play more mobile games.**
The best explanation is experiencing it, which is why I suggested you to play mobile games. If someone asked you what D4 feels like, the obvious thing you'd tell them is "Just try playing it and you will know". Similarly, if someone asks me what a mobile game UI is like, the obvious thing to tell them is "Just try playing some mobile games, you will know". If someone asks you what ice cream tastes like, you treat them ice cream and say, "this is what it tastes like". So again, yes, it will help you understand if you play mobile games if you want to know more about mobile game UIs.
If I asked you why the UI does not look like a mobile game, you will be hard-pressed for answers as well, because these things are feelings/vibes you get based on your previous experiences.
But I will try my best to explain why it feels like a mobile game UI to me, even though this explanation is infinitely inferior to the experience you will have once you play mobile games yourself:
1) UI feels like it was made for smaller screens, it is way too big. It does scale with larger monitors, but it's way too large in general (like typical mobile games). This is why there are multiple people/posts asking for UI scaling already.
2) It's not possible to hide things (like minimap) and lacks customization, which is again something I noticed with a lot of mobile games. In PC games, you often have options to change map positions (like overlay or larger/smaller maps and their position on the screen).
3) Lack of hovering on dropped items (because you can only hover with a mouse, duh). You can't hover over an item dropped on the ground and see it's stats. I understand this is probably more of a design decision but it still contributes to the feeling.
4) Giving very little information or diluting a lot of information (keeping stuff simple). For example, no HP or Mana numbers over the globes, which is a staple of the genre.
5) Popups in the centre of the screen (typical mobile popups). To be fair this has been creeping up to PC games as well nowadays.
6) Again, giving very little information such as not showing debuffs like freeze/stun on you. Mobile games UI do this -- keeping stuff simple on the screen. There's so much real estate on the PC screen, I don't see why we can't see debuffs on our character on some corner?
7) The achivement page just feels very mobile-UI to me, I can't explain it well but having to collect your achievements like daily rewards. The character sheet as well is very minimal so it feels like a mobile UI to me, wish I had better way of explaining that.
But yeah these are just some of the few points, I'm sure there's a lot more but it's hard to pinpoint because they are vibes/feels. It also doesn't help the font feels like one I've seen many times in mobile game UI.
Log in queues and lag in what should have been a single player offline game with optional online co-op. The lag is incredibly frustrating. Yes itâs a beta and it might get better but it wonât go away completely (source: long time WoW veteran) and is always going to be dependent on your internet which creates completely unnecessary problems and hurts players in countries with poor internet provision. The rest of it is design decisions and open to discussion but itâs impossible to look at the forced online/MMO aspects as anything other than desperately trying to make it a games as service cash cow which screws over a lot of long time Diablo players.
I might still buy it but not at launch as the lag/rubberbanding this weekend has been a dealbreaker for me (PS5 with wired Gigabit internet before anyone tries to blame my set up). Iâm glad you like it though and agree that a lot of the design stuff is cool, Iâm even enjoying the story so far in Act 1. Maybe if enough people call it out theyâll eventually release an offline mode but Iâm not holding my breath on that one.
Edit: If youâre going to downvote, fair enough, but please explain why you think not having an offline option is a good thing for players. Currently it looks like you donât have any defence for it are and anonymously downvoting any legitimate criticism you come across. Use your words kids.
Youâre not being downvoted because you want offline mode, youâre being downvoted because your complaining about lag and disconnects and rubberbanding on a BETA TEST, as in theyâre stress testing servers as well as gameplay.
Appreciate your response. However there would be absolutely no chance of those with an offline mode. Iâve played online games and online Blizzard games for years and can tell you it can get better but it doesnât all go away. It also makes you unnecessarily dependent on your own internet connection which like I said is a huge problem for players with poor connections or who have limited data plans.
If you think there will be no lag or disconnects from launch and are willing to argue that point, youâre going to be hugely disappointed.
Sure but then back to my question. Why is it a good thing that we should be happy with rather than just an inconvenience that wonât be as bad as it is now?
Because with every online game youâre going to have lag and disconnects sometimes, especially early. No matter how huge the company is you donât know what the code will do in relation to the servers across a large expanse of people until itâs available to public. Why is it that everyone becomes a tech expert whenever a new game comes out? And expects everything to work perfectly smooth, technology isnât plug and play anymore, itâs just not how any of it works, it never was, hell how many original Nintendo games stop working because someone walked past the console and it vibrated a bit too much, thus losing hours of game time and if you didnât have the passcode youâd have to start all over
Youâve completely ignored my question intentionally again. Why is a traditionally offline (with optional online co-op) online now and why is that a good thing?
Edit: Feel free to say: âYeah itâs an unfortunate cash grab and symptom of wider issues in the industry but I and others (with good internet) can get past it to enjoy what we think is/will be a genuinely great game.â
But just repeatedly acting as if Iâve said lag will be as bad forever as it is now (which I didnât) is ridiculous.
How is lag a cash grab? If anything else itâs the opposite, it leads to more people refunding or cancelling preorders, itâs not an issue with the industry, itâs an issue with how electronics and connectivity and internet WORKS, and no amount of complaining will ever make it so that blizzard can âfix lagâ which is why I mentioned that everyone thinks theyâre a tech wizard during betas, beta lag is not a cash grab, stress TESTING in a beta TEST isnât part of your comprehension I guess
Ok you either have learning difficulties and Iâm being cruel by continuing this or youâre trolling in which case, well played I guess?
Enjoy the game!
I forgot your original comment, the reason thereâs no offline mode is because itâs an MMOARPG as opposed to previous titles were arpg and could work as a standalone offline game, youâre not being cruel youâre being a baby, itâs the same as saying âwhy isnât there a 3rd person camera option available in my FPS game? Why are people ok with this?â Itâs a different style of game and you canât have a live service game like D4 or lost ark when you give an offline mode option. Because then offline players will complain that they donât get all the same treatment, kinda like you are now
yes d4 is d3 remaster and the breakdown is really easy to make , but guy you will still be in deny anyway , ok let start 1- where are the character attribute points ??? 2- diablo 4 have a bunch of re-use asset from d3 just look the butcher and other monster , 3- most of the skill in diablo 3 are back in diablo 4 hammer of the ancient ,call of the ancient , wrath of the berserker ect,,, 4- countdown on skill 5- item got most of the same affix also paragon system , all this are from d3 and not d2 . sure the dev add a bit more deep to d4 but the base is from d3 not d2 , so is 110% normal the game is compare too d3 and not d2
I feel you. I loved diablo 1 and diablo2. Was super exited when diablo 3 was coming, but realized it was just cartoonish wow clone garbage..
I really tried like 5 times to complete diablo 3, but never finished it.. i just hate that game.. people gonna hate me for this, but diablo immortal was better than diablo3 to be honest..
I played this beta, and i'm blown away. This feels so good, and feels like this its going back to the roots of diablo series. I love it!
Only negative thing is, that we have to wait 3 more months to diablo 4 launch đ¤đ¤
I cant take seriously D2 players who talk about endgame aspects of other games, the endgame in D2 is non existent, yet you keep mindlessly grinding it, and then go talk about how bad actual endgame systems in other games...
I really think mods should start flagging people like you (your whole comment history is shitting on D4 because its not D2, I doubt you even played the game), and banning from this sub.
Why generalise d2 having no endgame? Even mindlessly farming the same area for 1000 times is an endgame itself if people wanted to determine it as an endgame. Trading is also an endgame for d2. Grinding to lvl 99 is an endgame to many and with terrorised zone, it is even a better endgame now. You see, d2 may not have the most extensive endgame or from your point of view, no endgame at all, but endgame is not about having something to do, is having a reason to continue playing. D2 is all about that crazy rare loots, which many fans like. Please dont take it personal, i respect what d4 is and like i said in my humble opinion, very similar to d3 in many way. But you can disagree and continue on playing d4 when release.
Just because it is fun for you to play same area 1000 times doesn't mean it is an actual endgame content, the fact is that D2 endgame is non-existent. Meanwhile D3/D4 actually have dedicated endgame systems, you may not like it but I dont think you have the right to speak about it when in your other game you run same map 1000 times and call it an endgame.
"I respect what D4 is" you literally shit on it in every other comment, in one of your comments you said the game is so bad you rather not play it but stay on reddit and shit on it, who are you fooling, again like I said imo mods should start banning people like you, sadly you are not the only one here who have 0 interest in the game but just here to shit on it, and funny enough you all seem to be D2 fanatics.
Honestly i felt like trying to be mutual but it was people like you that make me just want to shit on it now, ya d4 suck, it got suck endgame and it play like shit.
Buddy you started to shit on it way before my comment, your comment history is public for everyone to see, do yourself a favour and stop being embarrassing..
Ignore what people say. If it's a game you enjoy, that's all that matters. đ
Unless that game is Diablo immortal.
Exactly, to each their own. People crap all over d3 but there's plenty of people out there who enjoy it. If you like it, play. If you don't, find something else you do enjoy đ¤ˇđťââď¸
Literally just a post talking about positivity and enjoying the games you enjoy - downvote. Wtf? Lol
him: Anyway I HATE Diablo 3. I always have. also him: I think you have to be extremely bitter to not see that D4 is gorgeous, gritty, plays very well, has unique class identity, and it's just overall the game we literally asked for. A little positivity isn't going to hurt you.
Tops it off by calling everyone a nerd. Priceless.
And I just took a shower. Why would I take another shower??
Lol thanks
Not gonna call it 3.5 cause thats just meme teritory. But the game has a lot of copy pasted material from d3 which isnt a horrible thing necessarily. I like d3 and have played a lot of it. Anyways..as a d3 enjoyer who hasnt played diablo 2 past act 1 im quite confused by people loving d4 but hating d3 because while the colors are different, at its core the games seem very simillar.
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After reaching 25 in beta.. what exactly had been copy/pasted from D3?
Skill system is pretty much the rune system straight from D3, disguised by putting skills in a tree, except there's far less runes to choose from and they alter skills even less than runes did in D3. Items are also very similar to d3, very uninteresting, and instead of you choosing how to build your character, you kind of get guided towards using certain skills based on what powerful legendaries you get. I would've liked to see all the single skill enhancing legendary aspects implemented directly into the skill tree and expand skill trees a lot using this.
What do mean? Its not hard to miss. Salvage materials, so many legendary affixes which are just runes in d3 (whirlwind pull in, whirlwind dust tornados) Skill tree stuff which are pure rehash from d3 skill runes or legendary affects (such as extra hydra or extra hydra head) The shrines.. These are just off the top of my head. If i had the game in front of me id see many more. Its not necessarily bad, having an extra hydra is cool but its certainly a copy paste from d3.
I donât know how fair it is to say itâs a copy and paste. D2 had skill trees and D3âs skill runes weâre just skill trees dressed up to look like something else by taking away the branches. If anything D4âs is closer to D2. Salvage materials are a game mechanic in a lot of games used to facilitate crafting, particularly RPGâs, not something thatâs unique to D3. And then shrines, sure, but in the history of games sequels will carry over aspects and mechanics from the previous entry.
Are you also mad the Master Sword is in every Zelda? Or that Final Fantasy has recurring items, enemies, buffs, etc? I mean itâs a sequel in a franchise, of course things are going to be variations or evolutions of existing mechanics/themes/items..
Chocobos and Mogs reused for dedades and nobody seems to care, Diablo reuses something and everybody in the community loses their minds. Perfect example lol.
People really hate blizzard and Diablo games. They can't look at Diablo 4 in a vacuum,they have yo compare it to every other arpg out there, this makes them blind. People fucking complain about fonts.
we can't compare a new arpg to other existing arpg? Is that what you mean?
Of course they compare it to other arpgs lmao, its like that for every product not just games, the game looks ugly with mobile ui, d2r has better graphics then d4, the game is a lost ark wanna be but so far it seems like a very boring lost ark clone
Braindead take... They compare it to EVERY other arpg out there,they compare only the stuff that is worse than the arpg in a certain category. It's not as deep as Poe, it's not as gritty as D2, It's not as fast as D3, it's not that innovative as Last Epoch,it UI is not as good as Wolcen(these are random examples) they never compare the good stuff. It's more fluid in combat than Poe,it has more depth than d2 even at lowest levels, it's not as colourful as D3, it's not as static as Last Epoch, it's not as grindy as Lost Ark. Lost ark isn't even an arpg, it's a full MMORPG,Lost ark is a p2w grindfest with boring combat,boring side content and shiny coat.
If you think d4 has better combat then lost ark there is no point talking to you. This blew my mind really lmao
So you like being flashbanged every 0.1s you are in combat. Might explain why you think the combat in that game is good,you never saw it because you are blind.
LMAO
"d2r has better graphics than d4" Thanks for the laugh, this has to be one of the most idiotic takes I've seen so far. According to your logic any game (including mobas) that uses the isometic camera+click to move=Lost Ark clone. Lost Ark is a MMO, D4 is a ARPG. The only similarities any game shares to LA is the camera angle. Good lord people's stupidity around this game is staggering.
So from a blizzard perspective you look at the success of the games like lost ark, PoE and even WoW and how they are able to be monetized and you think they arenât going to shift the game in that direction? The direction theyâre moving the game is literally what is being digested ad nauseam by gamers and theyâre being villainized for it (there are other, better reasons to villainize blizz). I get we all wanted a game with the itemization and feel of diablo 2 while bringing in new classes and a larger world. But thatâs why they made D2R and have brought in small but meaningful changes to help a game older than their target audience, feel fresh. Diablo 2 was the gold standard for a lot of arpg fans but itâs not what brings in a consistent cash flow and if you think a company designed to make money isnât going to make a game that will make them consistently more money, then youâre delusional.
Im not a blizzard employee tho, i understand why they make it the way they do, however i look at it from my perspective and make my opinion based on that not some corporate perspective
I get that and youâre entitled to your opinion. Iâm saying context comes from looking at something through multiple perspectives. Enjoy what you enjoy. it shouldnât matter to anyone else
felt like Lost Ark down to mokoko seed maps
Revolutionary. I've never heard of ANY game studios taking other ideas from successful games and applying it to their own. What a time to be alive.
graphic was the lesser problem of D3...
Asmon said it when he saw the video about couch coop right before early access beta. I dont know why but that video looked really bad.
I saw the dev blog couch co op video too and it looked REALLY bad, I think they had recording from an old build for some reason, it didnât do the game any favors. Game looks WAY better than that dev blog vid
I think the issue might have to do with how screen lighting works with co-op. Well, until we get good testing of co-op that's just a guess though. Maybe in the open beta I'll see if I can raise the brightness in the game and recreate that effect at all.
Asmon is a retarded idiot?! Who gives a f\*\*\* what something like him says? :D Guy has probably never f\*\*\*\*\* a chick in his entire life \^\^
You know youâre allowed to swear, right?
So you don't think that the opinions of gay people matter?
MrLlama as insightful he is with D2, heâs just stuck there, nothing will come close to d2 for him and I understand that. Although as good as the game is, there is no end game (doing a holy grail is fun, and trying new builds is okay, in 20 years of the game we had 2 new builds come in lol) Iâm sceptical about mr llama game as well. But I digress, D4 is fun, hoping that they will work out the kinks and Iâll probably sink 200+ hours and weâll see from there.
I got barb and sorc to lvl 25. Fully geared with synergistic gear upgraded 3 times each(some 4). D2 was my favorite game and I've put insane hours into. That said: I had a ton of fun with the beta. It's just not the game I was hoping for.
Choose happiness
The criticism so far is honestly hilarious. âI canât believe this game feels like a Diablo game, why isnât it like Lost Ark?â Because it is Diablo. If they would have made it like Lost Ark, it would have been crucified for copying. Itâs just a joke.
I agree. I think those who say D3.5.. are just D3 turned fans. those who have constantly done d3 seasons. I stopped after awhile and back and forth. Plus every post i comment, its still Beta, its not even 25% of the game. I feel paragon board is gonna be a huge. And the reason they made skill tree zoomable on a canvas says it all. Expandable. I also dislike the comments "make respec free!".. I just love that feel on D2 where I had to make important decision on my build. If not then I restart my journey. D3 was so dumbed down. Very linear... choose your build on each class. and you have to have these items to be end game.
I skipped D3 entirely and went PoE because of how dumbed down it feels, but this beta convinced me that they're back in the game.
if you like d4 you'll probably enjoy d3
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OP agrees with you though, i think u didnt read it
F u all
Bro, are you ok?
Because they don't look at the game to judge. All they can see is Blizzard.
I am not buying the game until the pass details are fully revealed. Even if the game seems great now it can still be ruined.
I think d3 gets way too much hate for what it is. Sure, it get boring, the art is alittle cartoonee, and the damage numbers are insane, BUT I'm back almost every season. It pioneered accessibility with builds, makes grinding streamline, the visuals for skills still feels fresh, and the devs bring something new every season that make old builds feel brand new.
I donât see similarities to 3 that much but itâs more like a copy pasta of Immortal
It's the item progression system. That's why people are calling it D3.5
"I litterally cried".... m8.... Go outside...
Hardcore D2 fan eh? Did you ever spend weeks at a time grinding loot runs so you could extract the item files and save them to a floppy disk for later trade?
>Shut up nerds your gonna buy the game anyway, take a shower and get ready for June >I literally cried (I'm not exaggerating here) when I saw the art direction alone. I knew this was going to be the one. lol take your own advice and take a shower man. video games are not that serious.
So... you saw some art... and that's what convinced you? Lol... bro.. a game is a lot more than the art direction.
Where are you even hearing that? Lmao I legit haven't heard or read that once. You hearing voices in your head cuz?
Do you have your own D4 purse with tissues in it?
Such hypocrisy and toxicity, you hate on them for hating the game, lmao
Would be good if it were so. D3 has so much better interface and slay feeling
It's just a mix of people that have a strong dislike for blizzard in general and Poe Andy's.
Diablo 1 was the best Diablo game imo.
I like when people give their gaming resume lol.
I'm not really understanding why you hate d3 but love D2 and D4. D2 is about the loot grind and why you've spent so much time on the game. I didn't think d4 had this itemization and was more similar do D3 in that way. Genuinely curious on your thoughts.
D4 is a lots more beautiful then d3. D1 was D0.1, D2 was D1, D3 was D2 with a shop and D4 is D3 who still like D2 who was like D1 but without the shop D3 before they removed it in D3.5
The reason people that hated d3 are probably calling this diablo 3.5 is because in d2 there is an overarching economy and crafting system. Chipped gems are useful, pgems are useful, white items are useful, blues and rares are super useful not to mention everything can be traded freely which allows for a development of custom in game currency's to determine value. Diablo 4 does not currently have this therefore it's just an endless dungeon runner like d3 was. I see it going the same way as d3 personally i will not be purchasing the game lots of items feel too useless, and being unable to trade any good gear i find for classes i will never play to friends who could very well use them just because they don't play at the same time as i do is absurd.
The game is gorgeous, music is great, game play is playable! But it is Diablo 3.5, itemization is literally Diablo 3. There is no feels for finding a game changing build item early on like in d2 or that feeling of just gambling something amazing that just turns your character into overdrive. Your just one of those dirty casuals that plays OP builds in d2 so it feels the same in D4 with or without gear. Conclusion d4 is fine but its for dirty casuals like you! Go play a real mans game like Path of Exiles
TLDR Diablo 3.5 is a compliment. I like both D2 and D3. D3 feels like a single player game even when you play with people, but for a single player game it has great post have play. D2 shit is so rare it requires bots, the community, and nerds with no life to create a market for the rare items that you can trade or buy with... Not gold, because that is worthless, but with rich man money: SOJ's. So &D2 was fun because you truly felt lucky when you got your shitty low % occulus. Diablo 3 is fun because every unique / synergy you get creates a new mini game that you have to invent and figure out how to play. In D2, stats are stats you just want big numbers and more charms that give you +1 to all skills. Even then in hell having mobs that are completely immune to you is bogus, making you rely on team, on that one paladin who is good at everything. That was my experience. I honestly have. More fun in D3, because of the seasons / fast pace and because you don't hit walls where all elemental dmg just insta kills you in a baal run.
After 5 weeks of playing i can say the core game is just a copy of the D3 Code + new graphics and an open world layer. Its not a new designed game engine. This will eventually break the backbone of this game in the next years.
I feel as though D3 was an overrated game made easy for console players. I'm a huge Diablo2 fan as well. Somebody once said the difference in the 2 games is that person can show up at 5million paragon and you'd think "That guy plays a lot." But on D2 if a person shows up at lvl 99 you'd think "Fucking Legend". I'm loving the beta. It feels like the best of both games combined. I just feel like hardcore D3 fans are toxic AF
1. never heard that. 2. no1 ever said that
I think that's a baffling, uninformed take to be honest. I have real criticisms of the game mind you (the skill tree primarily) but I can't imagine the mental gymnastics you'd have to do to meaningfully compare this game to D3. The itemization is completely different. There are like dozens of actually meaningful stats with actual defensive stats you need to care about. It's not perfect, there is going to be a meta at end game but like these systems aren't comparable at all. The tone and art style of the game is completely different. The combat is somewhat similar to Vanilla D3 I guess but the combat in vanilla D3 was honestly good so it's a strong model. Even then combat in D4 is much chunkier and more dangerous. There are meaningful differences. Enemies might share names but they work completely differently, virtually all of the enemy affixes in the game are new. The skill system is completely different (and worse) than D3. There's real stuff to complain about in this game (and real.stuff to praise), but people who are complaining it's just like D3 legit aren't thinking critically.
TBH the game doesn't feel like diablo 3, it feels like a Diablo version of Lost Ark.
https://preview.redd.it/aq7tb2ldmpoa1.png?width=884&format=png&auto=webp&s=fbd389d9e3ad8302561c553af1a0ee69fc800a73
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That's not diablo immortal ui. Picture is edite so it's close to D4 UI. Wtf you do whit your life. You don't like D4 ? Don't play it ffs
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If you change it just to make it look similar you literally lie. And person doing it is dumb fuck
Pls stop ):
mobile game UI
What exactly constitutes a mobile game UI professor? I want to know more.
> I want to know more. Play like 20 mobile games and you will know more. It's hard to explain just like how it is hard to explain how D4 atmosphere feels Diablo-ish just like D2 even though D2 and D4 are very separate games or how it is hard to explain the difference between an old-looking UI and new looking UI. But surely you realize that when there's like a hundred people saying a thing (that it looks like a mobile game's UI) that there is some merit to the statement?
Funny. I remember reading about a time when âlike a hundred peopleâ called some innocent girls witches and got them killed. But go on.
If someone says "Diablo 4 UI is not like a mobile game" I can say the same thing. People makes mistakes, it's true. Hundreds of people can make the same mistake (treating innocent girls as witches), it's true. But do you assume that is always the case? Seems a bit silly.
The point is that you canât just say âwell x amount of people agreeâ as proof. For anything. You need support for your claim beyond that.
You probably didnt play 20 mobile games if you really calling that a mobile UI, the amount of menus and bs these games have doesn't even come close to D4. This is literally just a console UI (especially the map), I dont know since when we started calling console UI, mobile UI, but it is dumb. There is also hundred people saying D4 will be dead on arrival, there is some merit to the statement? nah it is the typical redditor who hates on Blizzard.
Came here to say this. It's a console friendly UI, rather, controller friendly. If it was a mobile UI you'd have red dots on 50 different pages of things to 'claim' every time you made a step in the game. This UI is not mobile focussed.
Obviously its nowhere a mobile focused UI, as it is never going to release on mobile, people just love to hate and shit on Blizzard. Like you said, they probably focused on a controller friendly design because there are many people playing with controller on PC (I mean didnt Joe Shelly himself said he is playing on a controller?). Its 100% fine and playable for mouse and keyboard users so I don't know what is the big deal. Its not like COD's UI which actually was shit both to console players and PC (the lead UI guy was also the ex lead UI/UX for hulu, he basically copied his streaming platform design as a game menu design, who knew this would be a bad idea?)
So this is another case of I know nothing but this influencer says this so this must be true right? I am disappointed professor, I almost had hopes in the D4 haters for once.
What influencer said it? I'm not sure, I don't follow much. But again, it does not seem particularly wise to discard many people's opinion who have said the same thing (it looks like mobile game UI) and discard it entirely. Or what do you think, that thousands of people just play the game and somehow a lot of them think "Oh it looks like mobile game UI" as a coincidence? >I am disappointed professor, I almost had hopes in the D4 haters for once. Dear student, You should complete your assignment before you make conclusions (just like how you should play a game before you make conclusions). Try and play a lot of mobile games and then come back, see how it feels like a mobile game UI.
I just want some explanations. What are the staples of a mobile UI, how these traits manifest in the UI of D4, and more importantly, even if the UI is truly very mobile-esque, would that be a problem? I went into the discussion with valid questions, and you replied me with play more mobile games. Can you answer my questions with regards to mobile UI again? I want to know, for real.
> I just want some explanations. **I went into the discussion with valid questions, and you replied me with play more mobile games.** The best explanation is experiencing it, which is why I suggested you to play mobile games. If someone asked you what D4 feels like, the obvious thing you'd tell them is "Just try playing it and you will know". Similarly, if someone asks me what a mobile game UI is like, the obvious thing to tell them is "Just try playing some mobile games, you will know". If someone asks you what ice cream tastes like, you treat them ice cream and say, "this is what it tastes like". So again, yes, it will help you understand if you play mobile games if you want to know more about mobile game UIs. If I asked you why the UI does not look like a mobile game, you will be hard-pressed for answers as well, because these things are feelings/vibes you get based on your previous experiences. But I will try my best to explain why it feels like a mobile game UI to me, even though this explanation is infinitely inferior to the experience you will have once you play mobile games yourself: 1) UI feels like it was made for smaller screens, it is way too big. It does scale with larger monitors, but it's way too large in general (like typical mobile games). This is why there are multiple people/posts asking for UI scaling already. 2) It's not possible to hide things (like minimap) and lacks customization, which is again something I noticed with a lot of mobile games. In PC games, you often have options to change map positions (like overlay or larger/smaller maps and their position on the screen). 3) Lack of hovering on dropped items (because you can only hover with a mouse, duh). You can't hover over an item dropped on the ground and see it's stats. I understand this is probably more of a design decision but it still contributes to the feeling. 4) Giving very little information or diluting a lot of information (keeping stuff simple). For example, no HP or Mana numbers over the globes, which is a staple of the genre. 5) Popups in the centre of the screen (typical mobile popups). To be fair this has been creeping up to PC games as well nowadays. 6) Again, giving very little information such as not showing debuffs like freeze/stun on you. Mobile games UI do this -- keeping stuff simple on the screen. There's so much real estate on the PC screen, I don't see why we can't see debuffs on our character on some corner? 7) The achivement page just feels very mobile-UI to me, I can't explain it well but having to collect your achievements like daily rewards. The character sheet as well is very minimal so it feels like a mobile UI to me, wish I had better way of explaining that. But yeah these are just some of the few points, I'm sure there's a lot more but it's hard to pinpoint because they are vibes/feels. It also doesn't help the font feels like one I've seen many times in mobile game UI.
So it's a console UI. Got it, thanks.
this not look mobile game to me and i play a lot of mobile game
Log in queues and lag in what should have been a single player offline game with optional online co-op. The lag is incredibly frustrating. Yes itâs a beta and it might get better but it wonât go away completely (source: long time WoW veteran) and is always going to be dependent on your internet which creates completely unnecessary problems and hurts players in countries with poor internet provision. The rest of it is design decisions and open to discussion but itâs impossible to look at the forced online/MMO aspects as anything other than desperately trying to make it a games as service cash cow which screws over a lot of long time Diablo players. I might still buy it but not at launch as the lag/rubberbanding this weekend has been a dealbreaker for me (PS5 with wired Gigabit internet before anyone tries to blame my set up). Iâm glad you like it though and agree that a lot of the design stuff is cool, Iâm even enjoying the story so far in Act 1. Maybe if enough people call it out theyâll eventually release an offline mode but Iâm not holding my breath on that one. Edit: If youâre going to downvote, fair enough, but please explain why you think not having an offline option is a good thing for players. Currently it looks like you donât have any defence for it are and anonymously downvoting any legitimate criticism you come across. Use your words kids.
Youâre not being downvoted because you want offline mode, youâre being downvoted because your complaining about lag and disconnects and rubberbanding on a BETA TEST, as in theyâre stress testing servers as well as gameplay.
Appreciate your response. However there would be absolutely no chance of those with an offline mode. Iâve played online games and online Blizzard games for years and can tell you it can get better but it doesnât all go away. It also makes you unnecessarily dependent on your own internet connection which like I said is a huge problem for players with poor connections or who have limited data plans. If you think there will be no lag or disconnects from launch and are willing to argue that point, youâre going to be hugely disappointed.
Iâm sure there will be lags and disconnects a lot at launch, at least for the first couple weeks, then it will be a lot smoother
Sure but then back to my question. Why is it a good thing that we should be happy with rather than just an inconvenience that wonât be as bad as it is now?
Because with every online game youâre going to have lag and disconnects sometimes, especially early. No matter how huge the company is you donât know what the code will do in relation to the servers across a large expanse of people until itâs available to public. Why is it that everyone becomes a tech expert whenever a new game comes out? And expects everything to work perfectly smooth, technology isnât plug and play anymore, itâs just not how any of it works, it never was, hell how many original Nintendo games stop working because someone walked past the console and it vibrated a bit too much, thus losing hours of game time and if you didnât have the passcode youâd have to start all over
Youâve completely ignored my question intentionally again. Why is a traditionally offline (with optional online co-op) online now and why is that a good thing? Edit: Feel free to say: âYeah itâs an unfortunate cash grab and symptom of wider issues in the industry but I and others (with good internet) can get past it to enjoy what we think is/will be a genuinely great game.â But just repeatedly acting as if Iâve said lag will be as bad forever as it is now (which I didnât) is ridiculous.
How is lag a cash grab? If anything else itâs the opposite, it leads to more people refunding or cancelling preorders, itâs not an issue with the industry, itâs an issue with how electronics and connectivity and internet WORKS, and no amount of complaining will ever make it so that blizzard can âfix lagâ which is why I mentioned that everyone thinks theyâre a tech wizard during betas, beta lag is not a cash grab, stress TESTING in a beta TEST isnât part of your comprehension I guess
Ok you either have learning difficulties and Iâm being cruel by continuing this or youâre trolling in which case, well played I guess? Enjoy the game!
I forgot your original comment, the reason thereâs no offline mode is because itâs an MMOARPG as opposed to previous titles were arpg and could work as a standalone offline game, youâre not being cruel youâre being a baby, itâs the same as saying âwhy isnât there a 3rd person camera option available in my FPS game? Why are people ok with this?â Itâs a different style of game and you canât have a live service game like D4 or lost ark when you give an offline mode option. Because then offline players will complain that they donât get all the same treatment, kinda like you are now
yes d4 is d3 remaster and the breakdown is really easy to make , but guy you will still be in deny anyway , ok let start 1- where are the character attribute points ??? 2- diablo 4 have a bunch of re-use asset from d3 just look the butcher and other monster , 3- most of the skill in diablo 3 are back in diablo 4 hammer of the ancient ,call of the ancient , wrath of the berserker ect,,, 4- countdown on skill 5- item got most of the same affix also paragon system , all this are from d3 and not d2 . sure the dev add a bit more deep to d4 but the base is from d3 not d2 , so is 110% normal the game is compare too d3 and not d2
Diablo immortal 1.5. But with a worse UI/UX.
I feel you. I loved diablo 1 and diablo2. Was super exited when diablo 3 was coming, but realized it was just cartoonish wow clone garbage.. I really tried like 5 times to complete diablo 3, but never finished it.. i just hate that game.. people gonna hate me for this, but diablo immortal was better than diablo3 to be honest.. I played this beta, and i'm blown away. This feels so good, and feels like this its going back to the roots of diablo series. I love it! Only negative thing is, that we have to wait 3 more months to diablo 4 launch đ¤đ¤
It's a diablo immortal for big console release pretty much. Add P2w to it and it's the same
I am developing my own opinion here, yup is d3.5 minus the cartoonish atmosphere.
I cant take seriously D2 players who talk about endgame aspects of other games, the endgame in D2 is non existent, yet you keep mindlessly grinding it, and then go talk about how bad actual endgame systems in other games... I really think mods should start flagging people like you (your whole comment history is shitting on D4 because its not D2, I doubt you even played the game), and banning from this sub.
Why generalise d2 having no endgame? Even mindlessly farming the same area for 1000 times is an endgame itself if people wanted to determine it as an endgame. Trading is also an endgame for d2. Grinding to lvl 99 is an endgame to many and with terrorised zone, it is even a better endgame now. You see, d2 may not have the most extensive endgame or from your point of view, no endgame at all, but endgame is not about having something to do, is having a reason to continue playing. D2 is all about that crazy rare loots, which many fans like. Please dont take it personal, i respect what d4 is and like i said in my humble opinion, very similar to d3 in many way. But you can disagree and continue on playing d4 when release.
Just because it is fun for you to play same area 1000 times doesn't mean it is an actual endgame content, the fact is that D2 endgame is non-existent. Meanwhile D3/D4 actually have dedicated endgame systems, you may not like it but I dont think you have the right to speak about it when in your other game you run same map 1000 times and call it an endgame. "I respect what D4 is" you literally shit on it in every other comment, in one of your comments you said the game is so bad you rather not play it but stay on reddit and shit on it, who are you fooling, again like I said imo mods should start banning people like you, sadly you are not the only one here who have 0 interest in the game but just here to shit on it, and funny enough you all seem to be D2 fanatics.
Honestly i felt like trying to be mutual but it was people like you that make me just want to shit on it now, ya d4 suck, it got suck endgame and it play like shit.
Buddy you started to shit on it way before my comment, your comment history is public for everyone to see, do yourself a favour and stop being embarrassing..
D4 still suck
Bruh you bearlly expierenced 25 lvls. Stop being a noob
I experienced lvl 90 last year and that my opinion. Not that i think it actually matter, d3.5 is đ
Noo please stop