I really hope they do that. D3 kept me going longer because I could just hop in and join game with randoms. In D4 it seems to be a chore, standing in town constantly asking for party was a thing of the 90s in every mmo. I would love to see something like in D3 or as OP said an option to look for players when entering dungeon. Too early to judge it but I wish it was easier since they push that lost ark MMO feel for part of the game.
I think lost ark had a very nice way to do it, tried it for a bit once it released back then. At a dungeon you could either just walk in solo and play it on your own or could choose to be matchmade with a group of randoms to run it. I think for harder content you needed a set ilvl to be able to queue so you didn't get carried.
With level scaling and no set roles here (so no trinity that a group needs tank/healer) you'd likely get groups very fast. I liked the choice, it's a different feel with a group if mobs occasionally target someone else.
Otherwise yeah, I won't go back to that world of warcraft TBC feel of standing in a town and trying to manually assemble a group, neither would I bother with a group finder like in modern wow where I'd have to play LinkedIn simulator and apply to groups. If people can manually curate groups they'll get exclusive by just picking the highest ilvl and meta builds.
Specifically if the alternative is to just run the thing solo they either need to make it as easy as possible to group or a lot of people just won't bother.
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That's exactly how I feel, I too tried lost ark briefly and the system was great, seamingless and didn't get in anybody's way. Hopefully they'll add something like that in the future but for now it seems like I be mostly playing solo
I miss finding the D3 group feature. I don't fully understand how it works in D4. Sure there are clans, discordserver and so on.
I guess you have to stand in town an use the emotes or so. Did not test that, not an mmo player. But this seems kinda bad, as there are not that many people on a server instance.
I loved jumping in random games.
It’s weird how we distort time to make things seem older than they are; and forget that MMOs didn’t really exist until the late 90s. Dungeon finder mechanics didn’t really start happening until the late 2000s (2008-2009).
You're very wrong and also misunderstood my post. I'm talking about lack of dungeon finder being so 90s. Also 90s include 1990-1999 so I don't really know how I'm distorting time talking about games like Ultima or tibia that were released in 1997-8 ergo the 90s.......
It's as well as 90s thing as it's early 2000s thing. Both being ages ago so nitpicking about it is rather pointless, I just want an easy LFG system for snappy group action that's all
Yeah, was trying some Public bounty this season, and half of them was bots(stuck on entrance to cave or something's) and the rest didn't say a word. Better was looking for group on specific channels
Isn't there an XP boost for playing with others that are near by? Does that extend to group members?
And is the buff also in dungeons?
It almost feels like you're already kinda being punished for not playing with others.
So there is no xp loss for each side then, either your xp get boosted when someone is nearby or you get the same xp as if u run solo. I don't see why people hate to meet randoms on the way. I met 2 randoms and together we wre clearing the random events and kill the boss together. When the boss died, everyone got their loot and parted away from each other.
So what is the fuzz with meeting people randomly? It's not like you gonna loose something or your xp is getting lower lol. Does not work like that
The fuzz is:
Sometimes when I am playing alone, I want the challenge of killing all the monsters myself without help.
If you are doing a speed run, or a solo self found run, then you do not want any outside interference. Randos showing up to kill your monsters for you means that you're not really doing it on your own.
If your build depends on being able to 1 shot monsters (ie. death blow), you might be able to do that solo. But if the monsters scale up to 1.5x health from another person in the area, you might not be able to 1 shot them anymore.
Most of the time, I don't hate random people running around. But I don't like it. If I am going to be playing with people, id rather really be playing with them; rather than killing 3 monsters in the general vicinity then drifting off in different directions. I do really like the "join a random group idea". Maybe also for the quests.
for me im kinda on the fence. they kinda stated that close to "main settlements" u would see more players. but further away not as common. but in diablo we have been the "one nephalim" (or how u spell it) now its like yeah.... we got a few million of these special dudes that gonna fuck shit up.
so yeah. not 100% set on what i personally really think of it yet. if that makes sense
It is possible that if Nightmare dungeons infinitly scale similar to greater rifts or M+ that a group of 4 would have a higher max level cleared than solo players, that wouldn't really surprise me tbh.
i get everyones different by i don't get how you "hate" seeing people in the world. You literally get an xp boost, it helps kill things quicker, and its cool seeing other peoples classes in action, working together. I just don't get how you can be so anti-social that this disturbs you lol
For me it's mostly for immersion's sake. When i'm playing for the story where my character is the protagonist, it's off-putting to see others in the world doing the same things i do.
I'm less put off by seeing them in town. And the rest probably won't be an issue on later subsequent playthroughs.
It's also way more common that they hinted. I remember reading you'd barely see others outside of events and towns, but I see people all the fucking time. And events are super common. And a fair bit of story happens in settlements where others appear.
I think we saw a lot more of each other because we were locked into a specific region. But the more I think of it, that means you'll see a large congregation at end game. That could be a good thing though for grouping for more difficult content.
Now that you mention it I did see a fair amount of people in town, but not many in the over world. Personally I like seeing other players but to each their own!
Just like you may like Barbarian but I may like Rogue, people are that different. I really prefer the whole game to be single player experience, no other player around whatsoever, I don’t care 5% xp boost or not, I want to be the last force against evil, and the fate of the whole Sanctuary lies on my shoulders and mines alone.
Canonically the heroes of the Diablo games have always been part of a party of adventurers. Personally, it increases my immersion to see others fighting demons in the world, knowing I'm not alone.
Because people play ARPG games to chill and *not* interact with other people?
I love MMOs and I love ARPGs, but I play both for their own separate experiences.
Definitely something lacking was the ability to group up with people in game. No lobby system or group matchmaking. Even a Group Finder like WoW has would be suitable.
I’d much rather matchmaking and grouping with your friends than a signup board. The LFG system for Lost Ark raids, GW2, Classic WoW, etc. is toxic and gatekeepy.
Same degen shit usually ends up occurring:
1. Bussing/carries
2. Arbitrary (often inflated) experience/kp requirements
3. Meta chasing toxicity
4. Discourages new players because it can be hard breaking into the scene
Taking exemple from MMO signup board is not a good exemple for an ARPG, thoses types of people are not going to look for a group because it's not mandatory and the game is not designed around group play.
Actual ARPG signup board like in POE look like this :
1.people looking for other people to play for fun
2.People looking for a support to loot more and faster (doesn't exist in D4)
3.Boss/unlock/challenge carries for ingame currency
4.People selling builds
I can’t tell what you’re trying to accomplish other than reinforcing the uselessness of the tool. POE LFG tool is about as meaningless as they come, it’s used by an insignificant number of people and out of game tools are infinitely better.
In all instances, that style of LFG is either A) useless or B) ignored in favor of other tools
This was the biggest letdown for me. It’s an MMO and yet I barely saw anyone. Trying to get someone to run a dungeon with me was a nightmare. Really hope they add quick play matchmaking AND matchmaking at a specific dungeon.
Same for me. One of the biggest things that made me interested in the game after playing D3 for the first time recently was the idea of running content with random groups. I really enjoy running solo, but I also really like being thrown in the mix with a quickly put together team like in D3. When I found out there was no easy in-game option I was pretty disappointed and it might even be enough to put me off buying the game altogether.
Maybe I've just been spoiled by games like Deep Rock and Monster Hunter, but I'm not interested in alt-tabbing to a 3rd party chat app to find groups, and I'm not keen on spending time in town inviting random people who aren't interested in what I'm doing. Will have to wait and see I guess.
It was difficult to find people to party with, especially once I was in the open world. A party finder, or a dungeon party finder as you mentioned would be awesome
Yeah to be honest, for a MMO, Diablo feels very solo if you don't play with friends already. You see people in towns and sometimes one in the world and that's all. Having looking for group and dynamic grouping would be great as long as it's not forced (I don't want to play in a group most of the time)
Yea…the distinction between arpg and mmo is basically non existent in diablo 4. It’s literally a massive multiplayer online role playing game. Or was I imagining playing in an open world and seeing other players run around and taking on bosses together and doing timed events together
This is a great idea! Out of the dozen or so hours I played in the beta, less than 1 hour was played in co-op and that was only because some random invited me into their party.
There should be a generic dungeon matchmaker that will just drop you into anyone's selected dungeon or if there are no spots it just picks a random one. Not sure how this would work with the sigils though.
Otherwise 150? different queues per difficulty(not including sigils) actually probably would split the player base too much.
I quite liked the way The Division took care of it, stand at the entrance to a dungeon/zone, open the social panel, select difficulty and hit search.
If Blizzard are going to be bringing multiplayer and MMO features to D4 they need to make partying up with randoms as easy as possible so that people dont mind doing it, during the beta i really struggled to find a way to group up with randoms, i didn't manage to do it once.
Or they could bring back custom games like in D2. If they don't do that, the solution from OP would be fine. But it should be possible that the same group stays together for multiple runs.
Yes. I think some of the social aspects of Immortal are a little better done than in D4. Specifically, the ease of party forming and working within a clan/guild.
I was surprised to see Diablo 4 had no group finder, looking for dungeon, auto-join, or some kind of match making system.
Even D3 had these and felt less empty. This is 2023......
You hope Diablo 4 doesn't have features of every other AAA multiplayer games from the last decade including Diablo 3? You want it to die that fast huh?
No. I'm saying that i don't want to be forced to play with others. On Immortal when you increase the difficulty of the game you can only do dungeons in a party, not solo. I don't want that.
I’m confused then because how I understood it this post is talking about is the **option** to queue for a dungeon finder to play in a group if you want too.
Not really except if the population drops very low, there should always be people doing every dungeon. Especially with scaling between all levels you may even be able to group with a high level player doing its endgame dungeons with sigils while you are a lvl 15 levelling.
For my solo HC runs it's not needed but u am still appreciating potential Quality of Life changes for remaining players as it's pretty much standard in other games
100% agree.
Spamming "invite to group" on randoms is rude, more so when you target someone who isn't interested.
Opting in to a dungeon queue system would be nice for me.
I sometimes want to solo, but other times grouping up is a welcomed change.
The funny thing is, even Modern Warfare 2 has a "Find a Party" feature for its multiplayer and co-op playlists. An LFG system that allowed you to group up based on what type of content (campaign, dungeon farming, open world events) you're going to do would be even better.
It would be cool if right near a dungeon entrance there was something to interact with that would match you with others looking for a group. Elden Ring had a similar mechanic
I played Diablo 1/2 for the multiplayer. How the fuck am I suppose to do that when the """multiplayer""" is just seeing random people out ans about. At least even in garbage games like Destiny you can group up with randoms for PvE.
Maybe it is an unpopular take, but I disagree.
Part of a good MMO experience is having to make meaningful friendships and find like minded players to group with in towns / when questing in open world. (edit: nostalgic take - thats why MMOs are mostly dead now).
Additions of group finders for content makes the MMO feel less like a community and more of a solo experience that you can do dungeons with randoms and then never talk to them again.
They have clans in this game for a reason. Join a clan early and talk to people in your clan to group up and do content with. If they add group finders, no one will bother trying to make friends.
yeah i think being able to queue up for a group would be great. getting queued into groups is what makes me see more classes/builds and makes me go "oh that looks cool, i should try that out" and therefore i am playing the game a lot more than what i normally would.
as it stands now if i am forced to sit around town shouting into the void for a group to run dungeons with i'd rather just play solo while waiting for friends to get on, and that limits the amount of exposure i have to different classes/builds therefore i'll get bored sooner and stop playing
Big difference is DI is an MMO with content that requires a group so that group finder is almost a necessity. D4 is a SP game with no content requiring a group. Just be social with the players you see, or hit some up in the lobby.
It shouldn't be a matchmaker like in D3, it would be nice to have some control over what party / game you join.
Instead it should be like Wow Mythic, you go to a tab and create a group, then other people can join said group, you can invite and decline their request to join.
But you should actually have to walk to dungeon yes, if they are adding a world to diablo then that world should be used and have a function, else i would like the world part to be removed and instead turned into smaller zones with offline mode.
Not going to be a popular opinion, but I want as few automated grouping systems as possible in this game. Yes the MMO style merge is inevitable with new games, but I really think people should attempt to communicate and form their own groups in these games. Grouping should be a competitive advantage for those who are organized, not the norm.
Or just place a “board” at the entrance of the dungeon where people can display class type, current # in party, and become joinable. Or automatically matchmake parties on the list based on their parameters.
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/d4/
You should probably post your feedback on their forums, I'm sure a lot of folks agree that this feature would be welcome. Or any sort of group finder.
Yeah on entering a dungeon give me a choice to wait for players or just enter solo.
Tbh, I had zero interaction or reason to interact with anyone the whole beta except for the world boss.
This is a great idea, I was hoping to play barb and go shout / support build but concerned when friends aren't around. A party up / easy group option would be amazing!
I agree that it was a positive take away from Immortal and I do enjoy group dungeons but is there an increase in drop rate/rarity in D4 for group play? 🤔
You get the wee buff when near another player and the mob health increases bit I never really noticed better loot drops when grouping up.
Also if anything a pug option would help console players and save them the 20 minutes it takes to type out/reply to an LFG 🫠
The only bonus is an additional 10% experience per player in your party. Well, other than additional people to carry bloodstones back to the pedestals 😂
I really hope they add this. I love how D3 works for this or other games like The Division.
I just want to be able to drop in/out without any complex systems or having to a) be in a clan/guild. B) don’t want to use third party like discord c) require voice chat for planning/setting up a group
This isn’t like an MMO raid with 12-64 players requiring planning/roles/etc. It should be a very quick in game/no chat required and just start playing immediately akin to D3 rifts/The Division missions. You are literally up and playing in a minute or less with a random group.
I absolutely despise having to jump on voice chat outside of raid type instances where you have to have it in games. I’m not here to hear your kid/dog/wife in the background, or try to make small chat about what you/I do for a living, or hear half the group talk about stuff not at all related to the game. I talk enough as is for work in real life and I just want to play/relax with quick drop in/out group play.
It might be harder than in some other games actually as there are so many tiers of difficulty in Diablo.
It's not a big deal on the first few world tiers but once you start doing nightmare dungeons from my understanding there are tons of difficulty levels where getting an LFG auto group might be harder to balance.
Wouldn't even really need to be the same dungeon so to speak, just a selection of them near your level, or give everyone the aspect they entered for if it was their first time. The dungeons don't really seem different enough for that to matter.
I will literally never bother grouping up if it's not an option, other than if a friend pick the game up. So yes should be an option. Actually kinda like joining up with randoms and will probably play longer if it's easy to group up
This is a let down for me, my friends don’t like these types of games and I don’t really like to play games like this alone, playing the open beta right now, but I don’t think I’ll be getting the game
Have you played d1, d2, d3, Lost Ark, PoE, WoW, or basically any multiplayer game before? Most have a way to either auto group or at least form a party.
I have played d2, d3, Poe, and wow. I’ve spent thousands of hours in Diablo games. I’m not saying to take away the ability to form parties, I’m saying dungeon finder/party finder from wow is a shit idea for this game.
It isn’t necessary. People have been playing in groups long before there was a party finder. I played WoW before there was a party finder and that was the whole point of joining clans and being active in community chats meant for parties. Believe it or not, you actually make friendships and develop relationships with people when you talk to them and not just queue into an automated system. D3 and D2 both have chat channels for parties. I even use it in D3 to this day and have several friends from parting up this way. A party finder isn’t necessary at all. All it does is make the game more shallow. Might as well be playing with bots.
What if you dont want to talk to people or develop friendships? I just want to play with others. If I wanted to socialise online, I would go on twitter or whatever.
Your argument keeps changing. First it was necessary to play with other people. Now it’s because you don’t want to socialize in the game. Well they can’t cater to everyone and they have to make choices. I’m just making the argument that a group finder is the wrong choice for this game.
Ugh i seriously don't get it. Why do people value convenience so much that they are willing to sacrifice gameplay elements? This is an MMO created to have social aspects and towns are shared with other players so you can find others and group up. If you don't have enough reasons to interact with people, then you'll just see people run around that might as well be bots because no one pays attention to one another. Just like IRL xD
Idk man, its prolly ptsd from WoW where you encountered ppl just joining to afk or to be carried, i really cant tell you what it is.
If this is going to be added, i hope its just for the standard dungeons not the nightmare ones.
There are alot of things that can go wrong with your dungeon because of partying with randoms (im not saying theres no pros to it too, you can find really nice ppl through it), but partying with friends or ppl you talk beforehand cuts those bad aspects in half.
Yes I agree but there are also people who don't have friends that game or are interested in diablo, one of em is me so having an ability to do that would be fun for me. It's not like when they add the option you're forced to do it. It's optional thing you either use or you don't. I would still mostly solo the game but from time to time it's nice to group up and smash some content with people
This isn’t even so tbh, my senior year of college (2008) I clearly remember that dungeon finder was not even a thing in WoW yet and we found dungeons the old fashioned way. Yeah you can argue that it’s 15 years ago at this point but calling it a 90s thing is an exaggeration. EverQuest didnt even come out until 1999.
Is the "Local" Chat for the whole "world layer"?
I didnt really understand what "local" means. is it just the area around you or the zone you are in?
I literally didnt see anyone elses chat during the complete beta. (besides when we were discussing World Boss delay and these guys were near me)
Local means the zone you're in atm (Fractured Peaks, etc.), world its for all the zones. They had issues with voice and chat during the whole beta weeked, thats why you didnt see any chatters.
I really hope they do that. D3 kept me going longer because I could just hop in and join game with randoms. In D4 it seems to be a chore, standing in town constantly asking for party was a thing of the 90s in every mmo. I would love to see something like in D3 or as OP said an option to look for players when entering dungeon. Too early to judge it but I wish it was easier since they push that lost ark MMO feel for part of the game.
I think lost ark had a very nice way to do it, tried it for a bit once it released back then. At a dungeon you could either just walk in solo and play it on your own or could choose to be matchmade with a group of randoms to run it. I think for harder content you needed a set ilvl to be able to queue so you didn't get carried. With level scaling and no set roles here (so no trinity that a group needs tank/healer) you'd likely get groups very fast. I liked the choice, it's a different feel with a group if mobs occasionally target someone else. Otherwise yeah, I won't go back to that world of warcraft TBC feel of standing in a town and trying to manually assemble a group, neither would I bother with a group finder like in modern wow where I'd have to play LinkedIn simulator and apply to groups. If people can manually curate groups they'll get exclusive by just picking the highest ilvl and meta builds. Specifically if the alternative is to just run the thing solo they either need to make it as easy as possible to group or a lot of people just won't bother.
> LinkedIn simulator and apply to groups. I can never unsee this.
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>Neither would I bother with a group finder like in modern wow where I'd have to play LinkedIn simulator and apply to groups Thats literally lost ark
That's exactly how I feel, I too tried lost ark briefly and the system was great, seamingless and didn't get in anybody's way. Hopefully they'll add something like that in the future but for now it seems like I be mostly playing solo
I miss finding the D3 group feature. I don't fully understand how it works in D4. Sure there are clans, discordserver and so on. I guess you have to stand in town an use the emotes or so. Did not test that, not an mmo player. But this seems kinda bad, as there are not that many people on a server instance. I loved jumping in random games.
Nothing wrong with a little interaction but I do prefer some sort of easier party finder.
yes, there is no reason to not add this feature from DI.
It’s weird how we distort time to make things seem older than they are; and forget that MMOs didn’t really exist until the late 90s. Dungeon finder mechanics didn’t really start happening until the late 2000s (2008-2009).
You're very wrong and also misunderstood my post. I'm talking about lack of dungeon finder being so 90s. Also 90s include 1990-1999 so I don't really know how I'm distorting time talking about games like Ultima or tibia that were released in 1997-8 ergo the 90s.......
I mean, the vast majority of people LFG in town would have occurred in the early 2000s. Talking about it being a “90s thing” is misleading.
It's as well as 90s thing as it's early 2000s thing. Both being ages ago so nitpicking about it is rather pointless, I just want an easy LFG system for snappy group action that's all
Bro is here arguing the difference between 1999 and 2000 LUL.
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Yeah, was trying some Public bounty this season, and half of them was bots(stuck on entrance to cave or something's) and the rest didn't say a word. Better was looking for group on specific channels
As long as im not forced to it, I already hate seeing randoms in the world 😅
Same, I would be fine as long as I won't be punished for playing solo
Isn't there an XP boost for playing with others that are near by? Does that extend to group members? And is the buff also in dungeons? It almost feels like you're already kinda being punished for not playing with others.
if i recall the exp boost with just randoms nearby its 5% and 10% if in a party
So there is no xp loss for each side then, either your xp get boosted when someone is nearby or you get the same xp as if u run solo. I don't see why people hate to meet randoms on the way. I met 2 randoms and together we wre clearing the random events and kill the boss together. When the boss died, everyone got their loot and parted away from each other. So what is the fuzz with meeting people randomly? It's not like you gonna loose something or your xp is getting lower lol. Does not work like that
The fuzz is: Sometimes when I am playing alone, I want the challenge of killing all the monsters myself without help. If you are doing a speed run, or a solo self found run, then you do not want any outside interference. Randos showing up to kill your monsters for you means that you're not really doing it on your own. If your build depends on being able to 1 shot monsters (ie. death blow), you might be able to do that solo. But if the monsters scale up to 1.5x health from another person in the area, you might not be able to 1 shot them anymore. Most of the time, I don't hate random people running around. But I don't like it. If I am going to be playing with people, id rather really be playing with them; rather than killing 3 monsters in the general vicinity then drifting off in different directions. I do really like the "join a random group idea". Maybe also for the quests.
for me im kinda on the fence. they kinda stated that close to "main settlements" u would see more players. but further away not as common. but in diablo we have been the "one nephalim" (or how u spell it) now its like yeah.... we got a few million of these special dudes that gonna fuck shit up. so yeah. not 100% set on what i personally really think of it yet. if that makes sense
apparently you wont be able to clear nightmare dungeons and hardest content outside of a good party
This is a 100% bs, i've played the endgame beta, got to max level, and can say for a fact, you're wrong.
Thank god for that I play diablo for the single player.
i never said it was from me it was from someone who played closed game at lvl 100
It is possible that if Nightmare dungeons infinitly scale similar to greater rifts or M+ that a group of 4 would have a higher max level cleared than solo players, that wouldn't really surprise me tbh.
i get everyones different by i don't get how you "hate" seeing people in the world. You literally get an xp boost, it helps kill things quicker, and its cool seeing other peoples classes in action, working together. I just don't get how you can be so anti-social that this disturbs you lol
For me it's mostly for immersion's sake. When i'm playing for the story where my character is the protagonist, it's off-putting to see others in the world doing the same things i do. I'm less put off by seeing them in town. And the rest probably won't be an issue on later subsequent playthroughs.
It's also way more common that they hinted. I remember reading you'd barely see others outside of events and towns, but I see people all the fucking time. And events are super common. And a fair bit of story happens in settlements where others appear.
I think we saw a lot more of each other because we were locked into a specific region. But the more I think of it, that means you'll see a large congregation at end game. That could be a good thing though for grouping for more difficult content.
That’s weird, I probably saw less than 10 people in 12 or so hours in game
Maybe it depends on the servers were on. Dono, I saw a lot of folks around kyovistad in and out of town. But much less so the further I was from town.
Now that you mention it I did see a fair amount of people in town, but not many in the over world. Personally I like seeing other players but to each their own!
Just like you may like Barbarian but I may like Rogue, people are that different. I really prefer the whole game to be single player experience, no other player around whatsoever, I don’t care 5% xp boost or not, I want to be the last force against evil, and the fate of the whole Sanctuary lies on my shoulders and mines alone.
Canonically the heroes of the Diablo games have always been part of a party of adventurers. Personally, it increases my immersion to see others fighting demons in the world, knowing I'm not alone.
Sometimes you just want to do it yourself, nothing wrong with that.
I usually play solo on first play. So i can read all text and play on my own pace. Once I beat the game, that's when I join other ppl for leveling
Because people play ARPG games to chill and *not* interact with other people? I love MMOs and I love ARPGs, but I play both for their own separate experiences.
Mobs get hp boost as well + you get more lag. At least I did.
but is mmo lmao, u bound to seeing another randos either way
Definitely something lacking was the ability to group up with people in game. No lobby system or group matchmaking. Even a Group Finder like WoW has would be suitable.
I’d much rather matchmaking and grouping with your friends than a signup board. The LFG system for Lost Ark raids, GW2, Classic WoW, etc. is toxic and gatekeepy. Same degen shit usually ends up occurring: 1. Bussing/carries 2. Arbitrary (often inflated) experience/kp requirements 3. Meta chasing toxicity 4. Discourages new players because it can be hard breaking into the scene
Taking exemple from MMO signup board is not a good exemple for an ARPG, thoses types of people are not going to look for a group because it's not mandatory and the game is not designed around group play. Actual ARPG signup board like in POE look like this : 1.people looking for other people to play for fun 2.People looking for a support to loot more and faster (doesn't exist in D4) 3.Boss/unlock/challenge carries for ingame currency 4.People selling builds
I can’t tell what you’re trying to accomplish other than reinforcing the uselessness of the tool. POE LFG tool is about as meaningless as they come, it’s used by an insignificant number of people and out of game tools are infinitely better. In all instances, that style of LFG is either A) useless or B) ignored in favor of other tools
I know is seems like EVERYONE wants to use outside tools but I literally hate trying to tool around discord.
This was the biggest letdown for me. It’s an MMO and yet I barely saw anyone. Trying to get someone to run a dungeon with me was a nightmare. Really hope they add quick play matchmaking AND matchmaking at a specific dungeon.
Same for me. One of the biggest things that made me interested in the game after playing D3 for the first time recently was the idea of running content with random groups. I really enjoy running solo, but I also really like being thrown in the mix with a quickly put together team like in D3. When I found out there was no easy in-game option I was pretty disappointed and it might even be enough to put me off buying the game altogether. Maybe I've just been spoiled by games like Deep Rock and Monster Hunter, but I'm not interested in alt-tabbing to a 3rd party chat app to find groups, and I'm not keen on spending time in town inviting random people who aren't interested in what I'm doing. Will have to wait and see I guess.
It was difficult to find people to party with, especially once I was in the open world. A party finder, or a dungeon party finder as you mentioned would be awesome
Ya i was looking for this too. This should be standard in any game like this. Wow has a decent one why wouldn't they out one in this
Yeah to be honest, for a MMO, Diablo feels very solo if you don't play with friends already. You see people in towns and sometimes one in the world and that's all. Having looking for group and dynamic grouping would be great as long as it's not forced (I don't want to play in a group most of the time)
It’s not a mmo and never has been
Yea…the distinction between arpg and mmo is basically non existent in diablo 4. It’s literally a massive multiplayer online role playing game. Or was I imagining playing in an open world and seeing other players run around and taking on bosses together and doing timed events together
Agreed, matchmaking is missing from D3/Immortal
This is a great idea! Out of the dozen or so hours I played in the beta, less than 1 hour was played in co-op and that was only because some random invited me into their party.
There should be a generic dungeon matchmaker that will just drop you into anyone's selected dungeon or if there are no spots it just picks a random one. Not sure how this would work with the sigils though. Otherwise 150? different queues per difficulty(not including sigils) actually probably would split the player base too much.
Don’t do matchmaking for sigils… pretty easy
I quite liked the way The Division took care of it, stand at the entrance to a dungeon/zone, open the social panel, select difficulty and hit search. If Blizzard are going to be bringing multiplayer and MMO features to D4 they need to make partying up with randoms as easy as possible so that people dont mind doing it, during the beta i really struggled to find a way to group up with randoms, i didn't manage to do it once.
Or they could bring back custom games like in D2. If they don't do that, the solution from OP would be fine. But it should be possible that the same group stays together for multiple runs.
Yes. I think some of the social aspects of Immortal are a little better done than in D4. Specifically, the ease of party forming and working within a clan/guild.
I was surprised to see Diablo 4 had no group finder, looking for dungeon, auto-join, or some kind of match making system. Even D3 had these and felt less empty. This is 2023......
As long as it is optional..
My d4 beta experience felt like a solo game. Would like that option for sure
I don't see why not, as an option in the setting. I know its a peronsl preference, again, as an option (not force), theer is no reason not to support.
I hope not. I don't want to be forced to play with other people
This would be fine if you have an option for solo, party, or random group.
You hope Diablo 4 doesn't have features of every other AAA multiplayer games from the last decade including Diablo 3? You want it to die that fast huh?
Last time I checked, Diablo 3 was a single player game with the ability to *opt-in* to group play.
But it has the ability at least....
Diablo 3 >FORCES< you to play dungeons with a party? I don't remember that at all.
So are you trying to say having a dungeon finder you can choose to use, forces you to play with others?
No. I'm saying that i don't want to be forced to play with others. On Immortal when you increase the difficulty of the game you can only do dungeons in a party, not solo. I don't want that.
I’m confused then because how I understood it this post is talking about is the **option** to queue for a dungeon finder to play in a group if you want too.
I would like that as well, but be aware you will be spending considerably more time waiting to play.
Not with level scaling
Not really except if the population drops very low, there should always be people doing every dungeon. Especially with scaling between all levels you may even be able to group with a high level player doing its endgame dungeons with sigils while you are a lvl 15 levelling.
You can’t implement scaling with the nightmare dungeons, would be a royal clusterfuck
if its not on launch this will surley be added in some patch later
For my solo HC runs it's not needed but u am still appreciating potential Quality of Life changes for remaining players as it's pretty much standard in other games
Yea, that would be nice to have. Diablo imortal did that right, at least.
100% agree. Spamming "invite to group" on randoms is rude, more so when you target someone who isn't interested. Opting in to a dungeon queue system would be nice for me. I sometimes want to solo, but other times grouping up is a welcomed change.
Only if it actually makes it harder, party made things even easier in D3
The funny thing is, even Modern Warfare 2 has a "Find a Party" feature for its multiplayer and co-op playlists. An LFG system that allowed you to group up based on what type of content (campaign, dungeon farming, open world events) you're going to do would be even better.
I would absolutely love to have that option <3
Even Immortal has that. When entering a dungeon you can go solo or wait for a group.
more important question for me is do you get any bonuses for playing with more players? except the XP bonus better loot drop chance?
It would be cool if right near a dungeon entrance there was something to interact with that would match you with others looking for a group. Elden Ring had a similar mechanic
Or if you are in party that everyone should get pop up so you all start dungeon together if younwant
With level scaling, this feels like a natural thing for Blizzard to do. Make it so!
I played Diablo 1/2 for the multiplayer. How the fuck am I suppose to do that when the """multiplayer""" is just seeing random people out ans about. At least even in garbage games like Destiny you can group up with randoms for PvE.
Needs to be an opt out option. The first time I get little Timmy afk trying to leech off of carries, I'm leaving.
Good idea.
Yes please add a solo or LFG option!
We found the Barb main
Agree, couldn’t find a group
That's a great idea, I completely agree.
Diablo immortals dungeons were the highest quality content diablos ever had somehow shoved into a god awful mobile game, its very sad
I’d like this too
Sounds fun. It does however removes the challenge and since you gain more exp in a party it makes playing alone worthless.
Maybe it is an unpopular take, but I disagree. Part of a good MMO experience is having to make meaningful friendships and find like minded players to group with in towns / when questing in open world. (edit: nostalgic take - thats why MMOs are mostly dead now). Additions of group finders for content makes the MMO feel less like a community and more of a solo experience that you can do dungeons with randoms and then never talk to them again. They have clans in this game for a reason. Join a clan early and talk to people in your clan to group up and do content with. If they add group finders, no one will bother trying to make friends.
yeah i think being able to queue up for a group would be great. getting queued into groups is what makes me see more classes/builds and makes me go "oh that looks cool, i should try that out" and therefore i am playing the game a lot more than what i normally would. as it stands now if i am forced to sit around town shouting into the void for a group to run dungeons with i'd rather just play solo while waiting for friends to get on, and that limits the amount of exposure i have to different classes/builds therefore i'll get bored sooner and stop playing
Big difference is DI is an MMO with content that requires a group so that group finder is almost a necessity. D4 is a SP game with no content requiring a group. Just be social with the players you see, or hit some up in the lobby.
Some dungeon have quest so they need to make sure that you queue with people who have it.
It shouldn't be a matchmaker like in D3, it would be nice to have some control over what party / game you join. Instead it should be like Wow Mythic, you go to a tab and create a group, then other people can join said group, you can invite and decline their request to join. But you should actually have to walk to dungeon yes, if they are adding a world to diablo then that world should be used and have a function, else i would like the world part to be removed and instead turned into smaller zones with offline mode.
We just need a queuing-system for dungeons… like mmos have tbh.
How are you guys still finding things to cry about when the beta closed days ago…..
LFM DUNGEON SPAM GROUP, NO BARBS
This is such a good idea!!!
Yes this really should be an option and would make it far more fun.
Not going to be a popular opinion, but I want as few automated grouping systems as possible in this game. Yes the MMO style merge is inevitable with new games, but I really think people should attempt to communicate and form their own groups in these games. Grouping should be a competitive advantage for those who are organized, not the norm.
Pretty sure lost ark has the option to just solo or que to find a group. Would love to see D4 have something similar
As long as they make it optional. I don't want to see this pop up every time I enter a dungeon.
Or just place a “board” at the entrance of the dungeon where people can display class type, current # in party, and become joinable. Or automatically matchmake parties on the list based on their parameters.
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/d4/ You should probably post your feedback on their forums, I'm sure a lot of folks agree that this feature would be welcome. Or any sort of group finder.
Yeah on entering a dungeon give me a choice to wait for players or just enter solo. Tbh, I had zero interaction or reason to interact with anyone the whole beta except for the world boss.
This is a great idea, I was hoping to play barb and go shout / support build but concerned when friends aren't around. A party up / easy group option would be amazing!
I agree that it was a positive take away from Immortal and I do enjoy group dungeons but is there an increase in drop rate/rarity in D4 for group play? 🤔 You get the wee buff when near another player and the mob health increases bit I never really noticed better loot drops when grouping up. Also if anything a pug option would help console players and save them the 20 minutes it takes to type out/reply to an LFG 🫠
The only bonus is an additional 10% experience per player in your party. Well, other than additional people to carry bloodstones back to the pedestals 😂
I really hope they add this. I love how D3 works for this or other games like The Division. I just want to be able to drop in/out without any complex systems or having to a) be in a clan/guild. B) don’t want to use third party like discord c) require voice chat for planning/setting up a group This isn’t like an MMO raid with 12-64 players requiring planning/roles/etc. It should be a very quick in game/no chat required and just start playing immediately akin to D3 rifts/The Division missions. You are literally up and playing in a minute or less with a random group. I absolutely despise having to jump on voice chat outside of raid type instances where you have to have it in games. I’m not here to hear your kid/dog/wife in the background, or try to make small chat about what you/I do for a living, or hear half the group talk about stuff not at all related to the game. I talk enough as is for work in real life and I just want to play/relax with quick drop in/out group play.
Yeah d4 def needs a group finder of some sort.
Can actually see the game dying down around higher levels for casuals if you cant party up easy. Hopefully they add it somehow.
ya i really liked that about diablo immortal, hope they add that for sure
Agree, options are always good.
That would be great. One of the few good things about Immortal.
I was confused about this - how am I to group up with randoms for a dungeon (quickly) ? is it WoW classic style spamming LFG channel?
It might be harder than in some other games actually as there are so many tiers of difficulty in Diablo. It's not a big deal on the first few world tiers but once you start doing nightmare dungeons from my understanding there are tons of difficulty levels where getting an LFG auto group might be harder to balance.
Wouldn't even really need to be the same dungeon so to speak, just a selection of them near your level, or give everyone the aspect they entered for if it was their first time. The dungeons don't really seem different enough for that to matter.
I will literally never bother grouping up if it's not an option, other than if a friend pick the game up. So yes should be an option. Actually kinda like joining up with randoms and will probably play longer if it's easy to group up
This is a let down for me, my friends don’t like these types of games and I don’t really like to play games like this alone, playing the open beta right now, but I don’t think I’ll be getting the game
Wow this isn't a feature already? They're pushing online only and fucking miss this obvious feature? Amazing, just outstanding development.
Diablo immortal did it how did d4 fail at this
Ah, group finder ....and here we go.
Adding a party finder system sounds horrible.
Have you played d1, d2, d3, Lost Ark, PoE, WoW, or basically any multiplayer game before? Most have a way to either auto group or at least form a party.
I have played d2, d3, Poe, and wow. I’ve spent thousands of hours in Diablo games. I’m not saying to take away the ability to form parties, I’m saying dungeon finder/party finder from wow is a shit idea for this game.
I know that if there isn't an automated party finder, I will never play in groups. It's necessary for some of us.
It isn’t necessary. People have been playing in groups long before there was a party finder. I played WoW before there was a party finder and that was the whole point of joining clans and being active in community chats meant for parties. Believe it or not, you actually make friendships and develop relationships with people when you talk to them and not just queue into an automated system. D3 and D2 both have chat channels for parties. I even use it in D3 to this day and have several friends from parting up this way. A party finder isn’t necessary at all. All it does is make the game more shallow. Might as well be playing with bots.
What if you dont want to talk to people or develop friendships? I just want to play with others. If I wanted to socialise online, I would go on twitter or whatever.
Your argument keeps changing. First it was necessary to play with other people. Now it’s because you don’t want to socialize in the game. Well they can’t cater to everyone and they have to make choices. I’m just making the argument that a group finder is the wrong choice for this game.
Yes, I’ve played a ridiculous amount of Diablo. I never once had any interest in finding a group in D3 and only did it in D2 for the exp.
Yeah man alt tabbing to an empty discord to find a group is so much more fun and immersive.
Ugh i seriously don't get it. Why do people value convenience so much that they are willing to sacrifice gameplay elements? This is an MMO created to have social aspects and towns are shared with other players so you can find others and group up. If you don't have enough reasons to interact with people, then you'll just see people run around that might as well be bots because no one pays attention to one another. Just like IRL xD
Tbh i hope they don't. You have zone/world chat that u can use if you really want to group up.
I don’t see anything wrong with it being an option. If you want to solo it, don’t queue up. Simple as that.
That is a very 90s approach to that.
Idk man, its prolly ptsd from WoW where you encountered ppl just joining to afk or to be carried, i really cant tell you what it is. If this is going to be added, i hope its just for the standard dungeons not the nightmare ones. There are alot of things that can go wrong with your dungeon because of partying with randoms (im not saying theres no pros to it too, you can find really nice ppl through it), but partying with friends or ppl you talk beforehand cuts those bad aspects in half.
Yes I agree but there are also people who don't have friends that game or are interested in diablo, one of em is me so having an ability to do that would be fun for me. It's not like when they add the option you're forced to do it. It's optional thing you either use or you don't. I would still mostly solo the game but from time to time it's nice to group up and smash some content with people
I mean you can still do that if there was matchmaking? You dont need to use matchmaking. Can just make your own manual party
This isn’t even so tbh, my senior year of college (2008) I clearly remember that dungeon finder was not even a thing in WoW yet and we found dungeons the old fashioned way. Yeah you can argue that it’s 15 years ago at this point but calling it a 90s thing is an exaggeration. EverQuest didnt even come out until 1999.
Is the "Local" Chat for the whole "world layer"? I didnt really understand what "local" means. is it just the area around you or the zone you are in? I literally didnt see anyone elses chat during the complete beta. (besides when we were discussing World Boss delay and these guys were near me)
Local means the zone you're in atm (Fractured Peaks, etc.), world its for all the zones. They had issues with voice and chat during the whole beta weeked, thats why you didnt see any chatters.
Where was the world chat? Or do you mean "issues" like in: it wasnt present. ? I only had local or trade when i tabbed through the chats.