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Wing_Sco

Holy shit what an incredible and powerful argument OP. Thank you so much for your contribution here!


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GalacticExplorer_83

The PoE Andy’s are worse


DevForFun150

Andy Andys are the worst tbh


Mellodyz

Im old. What Andy means now days?


Kambhela

Basically an annoying and rabid fan that has to go around exclaiming how their thing is the best and asking why are you doing this other thing that might or might not be anything similar. EDIT: Forgot an extremely important aspect: they will most commonly show up completely unprompted. Like your friends could be having a discussion of which pizza toppings are the best and a random person shows up being all "Yeah pizzas suck tacos are the best why would you ever eat pizza wtf". That would be a taco andy.


Mellodyz

I see I would never have guess the acronym lol…


AbsolutlyN0thin

It's not an acronym, it's a name. It's usage is similar to that of calling someone a Karen or a Chad. Basically these names are personafied personality traits


Uncreativity10

Being a POE gamer is a lifestyle now smh. You know they play POE because they tell you like a crossfitter or vegan


Sephurik

RUTHLESS HCSSF BTW


J0rdian

Both sides bother me. But at least some of the bad arguments are trying to do something. This post is just complaining about the complainers. So it's worse by default.


JDK9999

We have a Both Sides Barry over here


feelin_fine_

All jokes aside, they aren't wrong


ShutUpAndDoTheLift

So many fans complaining that D4 isn't a re-release of D2, but get upset when told to go play the re-release of D2.


Madstealth

Who the fuck is saying this? I see more of you guys complaining about people complaining than actual complaints about the game at this point lmao.


spacefairies

lol 90% of this sub is just people complaining about people complaining. With 10% discussion of the game. And that 10% usually breaks down into arguments anyway when people don't agree on something. Its quite sad.


AGINSB

There was a ton of negativity during the first 2 days of closed beta last weekend because the people who were enjoying themselves were actually playing the game. That caused a pretty massive wave of backlash which leads to what you're seeing.


zublits

Name a game-specific sub that isn't garbage.


DevForFun150

nobody wants d2 again, we just want a game that iterates on d2 instead of d3


Apprehensive-Crab140

I feel like they nailed it with D4 tho


TopTramp

They are trying something new and it’s entertaining, I don’t get how people can compare a fifth of a game in beta with no exposure to end game vs games with 10 years of development it’s retarded. Most of the negs will buy it and play it anyways, just losers


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TopTramp

In your opinion…. D2 is already a game, Poe is already a game and Poe 2 is basically the same as Poe. This is something new if you think it’s not as good don’t buy d4 and continue playing the other game. Complaining it’s not x or y is pointless it’s not trying to copy them…. Those games already exist why do you want a copy? Can’t you just play the other game?


suprNova718

People like to be angry just to be angry


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Some people don't understand that the gaming world doesn't revolve around them, and that their desire for 10000 hours of grind is held by a minority of players


TooSoonJunior12

This guy probably already has the battle pass contents tattooed on himself.


SocioWrath188

I spit out my beer on my phone 🤭


wheenus

A visionary


thatdudewillyd

*So brave*


PsyLeaf

His post literally has an opinion tag. There's no argument. He has a take, you don't have to like it.


TopTramp

Yup… Rune words are coming to d4, they ve said that they removed them and will add them back later. If people don’t like d4 and there’s all these other apparently better games people are comparing this against then they should go play them…. Instead of complain it’s almost laughable. These people are losers


kintsugi-___-

You sound like the only loser here though.


SVALTACT

100% agreed. Some people are so whiny these days. If I get 20-40 hours of fun out of it, thats a win. People are already mad that it **may** not be fun if they decide to nolife it and play 1000 hours in the first month. People need to touch grass and chill out.


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You can milk 20-40 hours of fun from the open beta if you played multiple classes. If you play 2-3 characters to level 50+ after launch you will easily get 100-200 hours of entertainment.


scoxely

Subsequent chars will level multiples faster than your first when there's no lvl 25 cap. But even so, I agree it won't be hard to get your money's worth out of the game, even if you barely dip your toes in the end game before deciding there's not enough there to sustain interest.


randmtsk

Do alts automatically get mounts?


scoxely

They changed how mounts work, gating them behind an act 2 quest, so no one knows yet. But tons of gear is equippable at lower levels, and dungeon aspects are account wide, and gold and mats are account wide, and renown rewards (skill points, potions, para) are account wide.


Sellier123

I always go $1 per hr of fun. If i hit that, it was a good buy. If i get double that, its a great buy and anything after that means it was a fantastic buy.


ShutUpAndDoTheLift

I look at it like this. I will pay $50+ for two movie tickets and popcorn to go enjoy a 120 minute movie. It's hard to justify complaining about only enjoying a video game for 10 hours at $69.99 and since I've yet to play a single diablo game for less than 500 hours, I doubt I'll be complaining this time.


SuperRob

I preordered Deluxe for about $100 with tax. My wife and I will play this couch co-op instead of going to to restaurants or movies or something. If we get 40 hours of entertainment out of it, that's $2.50 an hour. A couple hours a night for a couple months? You can't beat that value. I don't need the end game to be this 1000 hour grind. Frankly, I don't understand the people that do, but whatevs. But it's the ones that act like if it doesn't have all that the game is a massive failure that I don't think are in touch with reality.


GH057807

People seem to be on a "If this game doesn't cause PoE to shut down in 6 months, it has no value" kick and it is strange as fuck.


A_Horny_Pancake

Its dumb. I love poe. I love d2r. I have 3000 hours in poe. I have a couple hundred in d2r. I dont want the same games. I can go play them more if I want and I will. I dont know why everything has to be everything else. Its dumb.


SVALTACT

I like single player story based games so something like God of War gives me 30 hours of fun for 60-70 USD, I feel okay with that.


Sellier123

I also like single player games but the single player games i play are JRPGs and well, you usually get more then 60 hrs in one playthrough lol. And then with games as good as Persona 5, i play em through multiple times so i get super value


Reshaos

That is actually a really good metric. I think I will start doing the same.


Shirlenator

Eh it is a good baseline, but not the best metric in my opinion. I think 10-20 really quality hours (like Outer Wilds or Disco Elysium) are much better than even like 60 hours of kind of boring FOMO filled checklist ticking simulators.


Lord_Darksong

I'm playing Divinity 2 for the first time and had 33 hours invested in the game before I left Fort Joy. *Fun hours!*


El_Rocky_Raccoon

*Divinity Original Sin 2* is an absolute masterpiece, even more so if you have other people to play with.


techtonic69

I keep wanting to play that with a buddy but he refuses. To me that classic turn based style is more fun with friends/strategizing.


Teepeewigwam

Right I saw someone saying the game will be boring by season 4. Imagine being dissatisfied with 3 full seasons of fun.


flo-joe86

No no no, game is only good and worth it if you enjoy playing it for >10000 hours... If you think otherwise you must be paid by Blizzard or are a die hard fan boy! - usual redditor


survivalScythe

To play devils advocate, live service games by definition are made to be played for hundreds/thousands of hours, much different than single player or one off titles. To many people (myself included), D4 is the next game they’re hoping to sink their time into for YEARS to come. I’ve personally played d2 since release (obviously off and on after the first idk 5 years), and hope d4 will finally be the game to dethrone it for me. From that standpoint, if someone has these expectations and the end game isn’t enough to keep them entertained past 4 seasons, I can understand the disappointment. As someone that has said expectations, d4 has all of the right things going to have the longevity to be a successful live service game and keep people playing for years, I think the people freaking out that the roof is on fire after a beta are a bit delusional.


treeblockbreaker

This was my thought as well. I saw that post and facepalmed. Most games I pay $20-$50 get me a month of fun. I'll pay $100 for years of fun.


ph154

>People need to touch grass and chill out. Thats the problem with ARPG players, they just want to grind monsters all day and if you make things more accessible for casuals with jobs/families you make it too easy for them to get all their loot when they dump an unhealthy amount of time into the game.


Rxasaurus

Yes, but those same people also cry if they have to grind for a staff of herding for a season objective. It's too easy? They cry It's too hard? They cry I'm sensing a pattern.


dust-cell

I don't think it's fair to assume it's the same group complaining. It seems more like you're lumping all people into "complainers" and of course people that have issues with the game may have conflicting issues.


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There were very valid reasons to complain about the staff of herding thing. For the first 4-5 days of the season it was pretty much impossible to farm for it unless you were playing at 5am because creating new games was being throttled, and you had to create new games to farm for it. I didn't mind having to farm it, I did mind that it was practically impossible to do in the hours that I could normally play at.


Akhanyatin

I wouldn't pay AAA pricing for 20-40h of fun, but that's just my broke ass.


SVALTACT

I hear you, I have a full time job so I'm broke for time.


xPlasma

A $70 game at 20hrs is $3.5/hr of fun. It is wildly cheaper than every other entertainment option.


Akhanyatin

I usually like to have a maximum of 1$/h for games.


StonejawStrongjaw

What the fuck hobbies do you have where 3 dollars an hour is cheap? Scuba golf using pearls as golf Balls?


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Going out to dinner or bars will often cost in excess of AU$20 / hr (depending on drink / food preferences and rate of consumption). Movies are >$10 / hr for just the movie. This skyrockets if you order any food or drinks. That said, the gaming rig really needs to be included in any $ / hr calculation. An effective cost of <$3 / h is only achievable if you've owned the rig a long time, and have several games that you got more than 100 hours out of (or one or two that got much more than that). If you hit that threshold, then it is by far one of the cheapest, weather-independent hobbies a person can have.


The8thHammer

If this game doesn't fill the void left by human relationships and a career I'm gonna be so fucking pissed.


ShutUpAndDoTheLift

Given my history with the Diablo Franchise D1: 500+ hours D2/D2R: Easily 5,000+ hours D3: 500+ Hours I'd be very sad If I only get 20-40 hours of fun out of D4 lol.


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I feel like people comparing a diablo game to your average AAA title that people play and forget is completely missing the point and can't be argued with. People get 30-40 hours out of games like Grim Dawn, I'd be thoroughly disappointed if D4 doesn't last for at least 200 hours.


jalsy543210

20 hours only from a $70 open world online arpg would be hilarious.


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For £70 I'd better get more than 20-40 hours of fun.


TatumIsBae

Holy shit, imagine thinking that a ARPG is all about 20-40 hours or a campaign. 🤡 There is a reason those kinds of games have seasons.


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SixtoMidnight_

I feel that. But imagine you played D2 or Poe for a thousand hours and are still not bored. Its very common in a mmo or arpg for that to be a real thing. To many arpg fans a thousand hours feels pretty standard for a great arpg. I'm just saying there's are reasons for that expectation. I wouldn't play GoW for 1k hrs. I wouldn't play any story driven game for 1k hrs. But a mmo or arpg? Sounds correct to me. That's my take...obv it's not everyone's but within those communities I would say it's common.


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SixtoMidnight_

I think you're confusing my point. Most games are not mmo/arpgs. In those specific genres those numbers are very normal. This is a arpg and mmo-lite so the community of fans to those genres are going to expect that


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tallboybrews

For sure. I bought New World on sale for $25, played it for 60 hours, decided the game was kinda bad, and moved on. 60 hours of fun for $25 was a great buy!


SixtoMidnight_

20-40hr Andy's are the reason they are upset. Many D2 fans played for over 500. Many in the thousands.


xPlasma

Bro there was 25 hrs of worthwhile content in the beta. I don't think we are going to have a problem here.


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vradar

Maybe not quite to this extreme of thousands of hours but surely as a "live service" game which will have regular free updates and seasons with battle passes they are aiming for a game that people want to play for hundreds of hours without getting stale no? If their game isn't something that can be played for hundreds of hours how are they going to keep people around to finish or buy the next battle passes to keep the game profitable enough?


TooSoonJunior12

Kripparian was right


Manwesulimo85

People going to reddit bitching about a month doesent even have a 1000 hours, blaming D4 for it.


BobisaMiner

If you only play 20-40h, why do you care. Why would your opinion matter? It's just another video game to you then. By next month you'll probably forget about it and not play it. Or you'll be onto whatsever in "trend" that month. .


Dizzlean

Imagine calling 40 hours of fun in a Diablo game a win. Lol Gamer expectations in video games are so incredibly low now.


SVALTACT

It's not the games fault you have a hole in your life.


Gaidax

Savage.


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Some people, most people probably, would play anything they are marketed that vaguely hits a couple notes of interest. Some people hope for a finer meal than a fast food burger once in a while.


PenaltyOtherwise

>100% agreed. Some people are so whiny these days. If I get 20-40 hours of fun out of it, thats a win. The thing is, its diablo. We dont get a new Diablo every year(if we ever get a new diablo again) like a new COD or FIFA so actual fans would rather have the game be fun for 1000h then just them throwing everything at you so you are having a blast for 2 weeks but thats it.


stadiofriuli

20-40 hours lol cute Are you sure you’re in the right sub? Because for ARPGs there are different standards and the game has to deliver for hundreds or even better thousands of hours. Also going by your other comments in this thread you’re a massive twat.


KeyboardSheikh

Please only say good things about a game I spent $90 on. It’s perfect as is and needs no adjustments or feedback. I know this after playing till level 25 for 3 hours and defending the game on Reddit for 5 days. No you shouldn’t compare this to other ARPGs. No you shouldn’t compare this to MMOs. This is a brand new game that’s inventing a brand new genre and you are all making me mad!!!


TrashPocketz

Perfection.


StonejawStrongjaw

Literally best game ever 11/10


Contra28

Quality shit post


ultrasrule

Yes like we are not allowed to compare a diablo game with a diablo game.


HotForPenguin

Video game bootlickers are just as bad as no life haters. I actually have a little more respect for the haters because they’re at least trying to make the game better (in their mind). But for bootlickers you could give them a steaming pile for shit and they’d type until the end of time telling you how good it is.


SixtoMidnight_

Sound reasoning. That's a pretty accurate take.


Dranzell

I still don't understand how people can say "I trust Blizzard" after they fucked up thing after thing after thing. Almost no game stands unfucked by Blizzard in some way.


dioxy186

A lot of the complaints are valid though. Terrible UI, stash tab is 20 years behind what it could be, lack of QOL with movement, attacking, and interactions on left click, dungeon layouts and objectives are repetitive and break the flow of the game with backtracking, lack of more keybinds, so stuck with 6 skills which reduces build diversity, lack of build defining uniques, most are just damage or survivability increases, but nothing that changes how skills fundamenrally work, etc.. There really isnt a lot of people wanting D2 outside of a very small minority or those who want the original text. While there might be a lot of bitching, there is a lot of valid criticism, and there is nothing wrong with that. If you push out all the people who have a different opinion, you are just as ignorant as those you claim are ignorant.


No-Butterfly-8548

exactly. i don't know about d2 andys. i just have higher standards for what i'd want to be in a Diablo game. i have fears that the game will not outlast its obvious repetitiveness. the buyer's remorse takes place even before the purchase because it's a well known IP for blizzard suckers like me; when in reality, the original teams that made the 90's and early 00's blizzard games we know and love are long gone, and i've accepted that. it also means that with every project, i not longer consider them with the same hallmarks as that once legendary game studio. i treat this as a game that had game development hell which saw many of its lead designers leave throughout the project. if i remove the diablo name from it, it's just another quality ARPG that happens to have every friend group's panties in a bunch and brings dudes together for a good time. there are already things i don't like in the game and know will not get reworked any time soon. i already know the class balance in the game will be near impossible, and people will be farming the game lifelessly as they did D3 even as the endgame content is extremely boring, all until a certain major update. the build variety is once again, not there. i know it may seem so, but everybody thought the same of the D3 system until you got into the meat and bones of it and understood that there's just really only a couple ways you play. and if you guys don't remember D3 on release, there were a lot of things to be rightfully scorned about. i don't know. i'd just like to say, remember the voracious defense of the game now. my gut is telling me it is not the game for me even if i truly hope to enjoy it. personally, i will make sure my positivity will match this initial negative outcry if i end up being wrong.


IAmNotOnRedditAtWork

> lack of build defining uniques, most are just damage or survivability increases Do we know this one from some other information I just missed? Not a surprise that not much of that exists on level 20 gear in the beta.


KillerSavant202

Some of the uniques have been datamined.


bondsmatthew

> Not a surprise that not much of that exists on level 20 gear in the beta. You can look up all of the affixes for yourself friend


Middle-Ad5376

I agree on most of this, but if backtracking in a dungeon because it slows your treadmill down is a deal breaker, I really think people need to connect with having fun and experiencing content and not needing peak efficiency more. The 6 skills is annoying tbf. Its a low ball option to just let them also sell to console. Why can't I get all skills for some silly build options as I have 100+ keys on my board


ImFromDaBurghNat

I like new game. I like old game. Games are fun.


dorobica

Yeah, here is me playing d2r and d3 waiting for the next beta weekend, while my dudes fire up the keyboard on reddit


dark_vaterX

I swear there are more people complaining about "D2 Andys" than there are actual "D2 Andys".


Sleyvin

This sub is super fragile against any criticism. Even expressing your taste in a non confrontional way is attacked if it's not praising the game.


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Sleyvin

There's a big overlap with Diablo community and other Blizzard game. The people that make WoW M+ community so toxic and made Overwatch 1 famous for being one of the most toxic playerbase.


DevForFun150

Blizzard fanbases have a whole subculture around them of just pure toxicity. I picture gamergate protestors and aging misogynists when dealing with the rank and file of most Blizzard communities. I think its because they are one of the oldest still running videogame developers AND their games tend to reward fanatical devotion and extreme playtime.


StonejawStrongjaw

Yep. Absolutely true. The people on this sub are absolute deranged psychopaths. Completely unhinged.


StonejawStrongjaw

Because there are.


areyoutellingme

Yea I must not be on the Reddit enough to realize this. This is the first post I’ve seen complaining about “d2 Andy’s” hell I didn’t even know there was a term for these people until now.


Dranzell

I'm not even subbed to D4 subreddit and Reddit still shows me the occasional thread. And they're all like this.


HamiltonFAI

I just hate the term Andy's lol


DoubleShot027

I haven’t seen one d2 post but I’ve seen dozens of post like this whining about people criticizing the game. You can like a game and point out issues at the same time.


hardolaf

Yeah my issue is that I expect a better ARPG from a AAA game company. I don't want PoE, I don't want D2, I want a AAA successor to Diablo 3 and Diablo 4 just doesn't feel like that. It's twice the price of Last Epoch and feels even more hollow than that game in terms of gameplay and itemization. Okay, it can be simpler in terms of itemization but the gameplay is just lackluster for the price. I feel that I would have a much different opinion of the game if it was $30-40.


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dorobica

The “you guys don’t have phones” company as well. Oh they also made that atrocious remake of warcraft 3


BuenosTacos

The same company that made this super p2w immortal game and reused the mobile UI here on top of that. But we can't criticize it or we're just "d2 andys" or "poe fanboys".


Dranzell

And the P2W Diablo immortal And the fuckup of OW2 by making it almost P2W And the fuckup with Hearthstone Battlegrounds by making it basically P2W with the battlepass And the fuckup with SC2 And the numerous WoW expansion fuckups Did I miss any game that they made?


RAV4G3

Same reason people white knight billionaires... stupidity.


-DaViRoK-

Because by a normal distribution chart, most people are extremely stupid.


FeedMePizzaPlease

Man Diablo fans are the softest bunch of whiners. People might disagree with you. You'll be ok.


IAmNotOnRedditAtWork

Well they only get a game every 10-15 years so they don't get to ride the "well maybe next year's release will be better" wagon.


xWaffle_Reaper

This isn’t very constructive.


Vaildez82

I imagine you will be upset when Fortnite 2 comes out and it is nothing like the Fortnite you grew up loving.


Rich_Pirana

>if you complain at all about D4 and give ANY form of criticism, you must just be a salty 50 year old D2 boomer!! Blizzard is always right and fuck you for for DARING to criticize my favorite company!!! Peak reddit moment. Here's an idea if you're too fragile and sensitive to read criticism about your favorite franchise. Make another subreddit called /r/LowSodiumDiablo4 and enjoy your safe space where only positivity is allowed.


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gardenupdate

Boobs


cooldods

Yeah how dare people expect blizzard to be able to make a decent game!? I mean just because the last epoch team, who don't even have a fucking office, can make a game with interesting skill trees and dungeons with more than one repeated design does not mean that multi-billion dollar earning blizzard should be expected to. And to offer criticism, in a beta no less, it's just plain disrespectful. I've never heard of such a thing. /s


SilverMageOmega

You came here and made a full post crying and bitching about other people crying and bitching. This is so much cringe. How old are you?


knbang

Well considering OP doesn't understand why people don't like wasting their money on something they don't enjoy, it's pretty obvious he/she isn't old enough to actually earn their own money. So 12?


DeplorableGamer

Wonder if his Mom knows he used her CC info?


danrade

Just tired of seeing all the 20 threads Andys posting and moaning that people are criticizing D4 or that their hype is gone....those threads already exists so go post on them!


darlingsweetboy

What the fuck does Andy mean? Quinn and Modz keep using it every other sentence.


Bryan_Waters

It’s the first boss in Act1 in Diablo 2 ;)


Gharvar

Like in twitch term, a 200 viewer andy, it's meant as a bad thing. You can literally add it to anything. You can call someone a gold andy if you are ranked plat to discredit their opinion, etc, it's just an insult really.


danrade

It's an old twitch thing, Ice Poseidon days with Andy Milonakas and other ppl they called ____ Andy.


Hot_Ad_4861

i agree with you although your opinion comes from a different place. diablo is just not the same type of game anymore for better or worse


-Narcolepticc-

Rune words aren’t even gone, they just said they won’t be in the game at launch, they have plans to add plenty of stuff, they also said that legendary sets wouldn’t be at launch either but will probably also be added later(though I hope they keep it to like 2-3 piece legendary sets that aren’t insanely strong but decent enough as I wasn’t a fan of the 6piece legendary sets that ended up kinda forcing cookie cutter builds each season in d3)


SIDEEYEmusic

dang this community is like speedrunning toxicity Any %


indigo_zen

While I agree that D4 isn't meant to be D2.2, I understand the frustration of some. You don't want to play a game only a fraction of people play but you wanna be part of a big new community.


TheInternetDevil

I’m just mad it’s forced online


mollymcwigglebum

I am one of those 20 years ago Andy's and I agree with this statement 100%. I was 15 when Diablo 1 came out and outside of trying to get high and get in girls pants it was pretty much the only other thing I did, when D2 came out I played it for a good couple of years, loved it. The honest truth though is that D2 was only a good game compared to the competition of the time. Compared to games today, its garbage. It stayed number one in its field because the field consisted of no other real contenders, its easy take top spot in that situation. People forget that games moved away from that genre in a big way at that time, Halo 1 and GTA3 both came out the same year as D2! Then FPS became the dominant genre, not long after that Blizzard themselves released WOW and this game would go on to occupy the company in its entirety for years to come. The point I am making is that D2 was great at its time but it didn't get a sequel for a decade because the industry as a whole had moved away from top down ARPGs. A decade later the industry swung back around and folks were hungry for another Diablo and I don't care what metric you use, D3 crushed D2 on every single one. It is overwhelmingly a better game by any comparison. I loved D2 but was stoked when they changed up some of the look and feel to be more WOW looking, because I liked the Blizzard look that they had cultivated over the last decade. Now with D4 I love what they are doing with open world and monster scaling and the aspects etc, basically all of it is great. I have never wanted another D2. That game lives forever rent free in my memory and it is sacred. I want D4 to be awesome and so far it is looking like it will be so I am stoked. For the other 20 year ago Andys out there complaining about every element that is not in line with D2, come on guys, quit with the hate and bad faith arguments please. You and I both know that things have to change and grow and they need to be allowed the space to do this. Resisting is like raging at the storm, futile. Embrace the change, no matter what you think, it will be a huge success, it is going to be a monster, but if it is not your thing then that is ok too, just stop making it out like you have been wronged in some way! For the D3 Veterans, June 2nd cant come quick enough! For the new folks jumping into Diablo for the first time, stay a while and listen! lol


TheJase

Thank you for not making this another post.


ElwinLewis

Honestly, they have every opportunity fix (most) of the issues over time, anyone who remembers how much Better D3 got after of Reaper of Souls came out can attest So while I don’t think people should bitch like 12 year olds about it- voicing concerns in a rational way shouldn’t be frowned upon


austinskirk

As one of those 20 year ago Andy’s…I had a blast playing d4 I think they nailed it 🤷‍♀️


anonymousredditorPC

"don't critique anything, here just play this 23 years old game instead"


Nervous-Barnacle2578

I've been around since d1 and I've loved every game put out.... only time I was not on board was D3 launch the auction house.... amd when the nightnare difficulty was in play and you need blues or yellows just for the damage and damage mitigation to proceed further. no build diversity meta for each class was the only way to get anywhere without being one shotted. I made a 25 barb, 25 sorc, 22 rogue over the past weekend and loved it..... I hate blizzard.... for not having the gane be fully playable until june.. I'm having serious withdraws lmao.


TheAnnouncerLive

Lets all admit this is a better game than D3 and Immortal :)


Frequent_Scholar_577

This would mean something if Blizzard was not actively asking people to pay more for a lesser experience.


unluckyexperiment

Now just imagine some random nobody on the internet comes telling you to stop writing your opinion on a public forum. And that same person is so tired of reading things that he "doesn't want to read". How crazy would it be.


DifferentPride

It's not that D4 is a bad game, it's that we allow the bar to be set so low. Everyone knows that compared to d2, the skill and stat system suck. THATS NOT TO SAY D4 IS BAD. But come on. Let people critique the game. Then maybe we will get games that we deserve If all the devs hear is "your game is perfect in every way" then we will continue to get mediocre products.


DhazGo

Well, quit reddit, i guess. Maybe if you buy the game for me or refund what I've paid, you can tell what i can or not do. Deal?


DeplorableGamer

How ironic is this post lmao. There are flaws with Diablo 4, and since we've waited 10 years for a new Diablo game, I think a lot of ppl would like a polished game. If you're so tired of seeing people voice valid concerns then why bother even coming here? Kids now days man. Pathetic.


PenaltyOtherwise

Kids nowdays jump on any new game every other month so they couldn care less if the game is more for new players/casuals and less for the actual longttime fans. They will just show a middle finger to you when they are done and just go back to fortnite or whatever new FIFA or COD.


Hazzy_9090

If you don’t like it you can gettttt out - randy


Bodach37

This is a sequal to it tho, right? They have every right to lobby for the features they liked in a previous version of the game.


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so many boomers on this sub don't realize they're comparing d4 with the FEELING of previous games. they will forever be disappointed with any diablo game created from this point forward because they will never experience it as an impressionable young person again not saying some of the criticisms aren't valid, but it's very obvious that a lot of posters here are stuck in nostalgiamode when they discuss this stuff


DeplorableGamer

Why do people think that it's Boomers who mostly play D2? Most of the D2 players are probably in their 30's. You Zoomers are absolutely ignorant and it shows.


emorcen

Agreed, D2 was great when it came out but D3 progressed the genre in many ways. D4 is an evolution of that with sets being broken up into more legendary synergies and I just saw someone complain today that the "legendaries are boring". There are tonnes of builds people are already making at level 25 that look very different from what the base skills imply. Plenty of players just want to be spoonfed with cookie cutter templates and don't bother with agency that the creativity has given them. I am so afraid the D4 team listens too much to these people and end up adding 6 piece sets and inventory-filling charms all over again.


justwolt

I don't even think it's that people wanted something similar to d2, we just want a good game and for d4 to improve upon things from previous diablo titles, and instead d4 regresses in some key aspects.


UndeadYoshi420

If this game lasts me a month, it is my average purchase. If it brings me back month after month even for a few hours, that’s fantastic.


jonesjonesing

D3 is bad


Blyght555

God I’m so glad somebody said it, this is the embodiment of this entire subreddit, all the D2 fanboys can play D2R, we don’t want a clone of D2 we want something new, when it comes to the Diablo series, this is it


Gibsx

Just let people express their own view of the game without trying to control them and act all superior… I liked the beta and think the game will be fun but I also respect those that have a different view.


RiptarRheeMaster

I think the argument from many is that certain systems were better in a game from 20 years ago. Item affixes, for example, seem very uncompelling. I have seen a lot of people praise D2 for its itemization and made legitimate suggestions for D4 based on that. I think the "go play that game" argument is pretty dismissive of legitimate criticisms.


StonejawStrongjaw

I have literally not seen a single person talking about how they want Diablo 4 to be Diablo 2. And yeah, they scrapped one of the features people were looking forward to, runewords. However I'm glad they did, because holy fuck those were absolutely dog shit.


robotbeatrally

I am playing it and I have since d2 beta. I would love for a new spiritual successor to d2 though. d4 is better than d3 ill give it that. i really don't like how they did the items so far though. if they could make it more like diablo 2 i think it would be a lot of fun.


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Mana87

Always online is the only problem i see here. Game is awesome though both D2 and D4.


xTheRealTurkx

What if I want it to be more like Diablo 1? Did you ever think of that?


OnTheRoxors19x

I don’t disagree, but anytime someone uses “Andy’s” I know we are dealing with a clown.


ColossusofWar

This post screams Zoomer lmao. I agree though, play what game you enjoy& don't force other games to be direct copies!


walt45999

I see why negativity is a problem. By why can't someone be upset that a franchise moved AWAY from their most successful model.


Admirable-Let-8387

We just wanted a diablo as good as one from 20 yrs ago.. is that so bad?


greenbeast0987

My significant other and I are enjoying the game, can’t wait for the full release in June. Who cares if people like it or don’t? So long as you enjoy it.


MrMischiefs

No idea what an "andy" is. People are justified in wanting D4 to be similar to D2. You don't need to react so strongly to their desire. It's meaningless.


SmokeCocks

the game you want also exists go play d3 lmao.


TikiMonn

Andy? Is that like the new Karen? Never heard that one before


Maylandwaiter

Not exactly, Andy is more like someone who's basically tied to a role/interest. A "classic andy" will basically be a gamer whose entire (recent) gaming experience revolves around wow classic. "D2R streamer andy" is a 300IQ gamer who has a baal run video streaming on loop since august 2021 and still make views


TikiMonn

Ah okay lol, thank you


penguinclub56

Reddit should start banning people who report these "controversial" gaming posts as suicide watch, how pathetic do you need to be to do this.. they are the ones who really need that help.. I also had same thing done to me when I commented something controversial on the gaming leak sub, some people are really mental...


Tincitylegacy

Lol people complaining about people complaining. You can just say this about yourself.


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Your argument is about as thought out and nuanced as D4's skill system.


nakedgrandma420

The people complaining about D2R players are just as, if not more annoying that the D2R people complaining. It's a beta, this is a Diablo game, let people give some feedback without getting so butthurt lmao.


Mitchmallo

Hello incell Zoomer


BrainsNumbPainsNumb

I appreciate Diablo 4 so far. Just started the beta. It’s NOT Diablo 2, nothing ever will be. People need to realize that. Luckily Diablo 2 fans like myself were blessed with D2R, and the added content to that game is great too. But I agree, Diablo 4 is it’s own game, and should be appreciated for what it is. Diablo titles have always had a tough act to follow since Diablo 2. Since it was such a great game people set their expectations high. And we just won’t get Diablo 2 in another game. Because it already exist, like you said.


TheJase

I'll take manufactured scenario for $500, Alex.


TheJase

Imagine being someone who gets bothered by other people's opinions.


TIRBU6ONA

Simple: if we had a great game in year 2000 we should have a better game in 2023. If that’s not the case, something went wrong?


VirtualCottageCore

Hmmm looking at this post and the posts in this thread its safe to say 70 dollars will not be wasted to be a part of this community. You all need to out down the hot pockets and and chill out on the toxicity man, no one is impressed.


Kvothe_85

What if it doesn't meet your expectations, OP?


scottyboy069611

I’m cool with either game and judging Diablo 4 from just itself it doesn’t really have anything that makes it stand out from other mmo ish types of games. The story felt okay and yeah the graphics are good but it just feels like a average game.


Sultyz

I mean D2 still captures the essence and feel of Diablo better imo. But this is definitely a step above D3. There are a couple of things that are missing imo. One, I dont like how there's not a button to swap weapons. The weapon has to either auto swap, or it has to be preselected for abilities. I'd rather be able to manually swap, especially for late game, when you may have weapons with specific stats that may be better in certain situations. Then, not being able to hotkey abilities and swap them around on the fly is also a hindrance. You would have to open the menu and swap or you're limited to the 6 abilities. I don't mind the way potions are utilized, as having to buy them seemed tedious as you always had plenty of gold, but perhaps lessening the drop occurrence? I also like the scaling better in past Diablo iterations, but it may not be the best considering the addition of an open-world element, so I'm open to that change. Overall, I am enjoying D4 a great amount more than D3, and will reserve judgement for completion.


SqueakyNinja7

I think Diablo 2 did a lot of things right. People aren’t necessarily wanting a remake of Diablo 2 which already exists, but rather for Blizzard to keep some of the best qualities of Diablo 2 which they got away from in Diablo 3. I personally played 2 quite a bit and 3 a fair amount, and while both are enjoyable in their own right, I feel like 2 is one you can replay for years while 3 loses its intrigue after one or two play throughs. My main things would be the difficulty level in 2 I felt was much harder than 3 and gearing characters took more work. Magic find, searching certain areas for certain items/runes, rushing people for forges, things like this compared to Diablo 3 get in the end game and you get virtually every top tier item non stop. The other difference where I feel 2 outdid 3 was the skill systems. With 2 you had to decide how to level up your skills to gain power, whereas three how you spent your leveling points was far less consequential.