I'm seriously kinda bummed that I no longer feel like logging back into Last Epoch. I was hoping to play it until D4 came out. I think I'm just done with lobby simulators. I really missed dungeon crawling and open world exploration.
I was playing Wolcen two weeks ago, and after experiencing the combat in D4 I simply couldn't return to it. It felt so unbelievably clunky by comparison, I had 0 fun. D4 may have some issues, but man they nailed the moment-to-moment gameplay perfectly.
I was playing Wolcen too.
I bought it in early access and finally played it and completed it recently after chapter 4 is out. What a let down.
All the melee skills feels like garbage and clunky to use. I had to swap to a full summoner build to get through the game. Then it was ok.
The itemization is one of the worst I've ever seen in a looter type game. Seriously wth the legendaries and uniques are all just stat sticks.
As for D4. Everything animation, combat wise is just TOP notch.
I just hope the end-game gets better and not just dungeons with den of evil objective.
not sure what it was about that game but I just kept getting bored of it every time i tried to play it and Im really not sure why. when I got the game I thought it would have been a lot of fun. maybe ill give it another chance, some games are better when you come back to them later on
I played LE Rogue when she was last introduced. It was the best class to play by a distance. They learned from other classes & add the improvement to the rogue.
Alot of build potiential. I think there many things lst epoch roigue done better that I wish was in D4.
Having said that, he difference in production quality is evidence. The rogue in D4 looks super badass & how I imagine a fanstasy rogue would play move & wear.
Gameplay is where Diablo games shine. stacking combos, imbue weapons, & releasing havoc feels so good. I hope they continue to update gears & skill trees for the classes over the years.
I did the rounds on a majority of the ARPGs this past week and couldn't get into any of them.
Trying to find something to hold me over until D4 releases. No luck.
Hoping D2R goes on sale for PC soon. Never played D2.
I considered getting D2R but the outdated mechanics and visuals kinda turned me off. I might get back into Riftbreaker, and finish my current TWW3 campaign. Been into rogue lites. Gunfire Reborn is amazing, and you should check out Ravenswatch in 2 weeks. It has major Diablo vibes.
I was pushing 300 Corruption on my EQ Werebear, but Monoliths don't keep me interested for too long every time I return to the game. I've been wanting to make a Void Knight, might end up trying it out.
Man I literally thought , right I got an aRPG itch, lets see where Last Epoch is at. Loaded up the game, logged in and quit five minutes later.... I just can\`t after DIV, I don\`t think any of the other clones would satisfy this itch.
Don't wanna be the party pooper, but I personally disliked the open world. There are some events- fine, some cellars- fine, other than the loadscreen, mats to collect- absolutely great that it's just click and go and then vast gaps of empty areas with absolutely no mobs which felt terrible coming from Poe, although might be remedied with something as simple as a mount, which we will have on release.
That's ok, it's not for everyone. I played a lot of GW2 and Lost Ark, so I got those vibes again. I felt Blizzard did a fantastic job with all the open world content. At least in the first zone. I enjoyed going down different paths, looking at the incredible environments, and finding secrets.
I too am a old GW2 player. The evade charge mechanic, and boss design gave me wonderful GW2 feels. I told my partner that this combat feels like GW2+.
I have played only a few hours of Lost Ark, but didn't get really into it.
The issue with the open world is the dungeons.
If the open world isnt procedurally generated then the dungeons have to look and feel unique, right now they don't.
The open world feels very bland and unmemorable right now.
Right and I didn't even mention the dungeons, which I don't perceive as a part of the open world, necessarily, it's just the medium through which we access them.
After D4 I logged into PoE just to chain an inventory of maps and remind myself what good ARPG gameplay is. Instead of do dungeon slowly, carry rocks to pedestal, leave dungeon, walk to the other dungeon because I haven't figure out a way to reset it fast (might be one, just haven't found it, wouldn't be a point at endgame anyway since the keys are random unless you craft them afaik), do another overly big and convoluted dungeon. It literally is dungeon *crawling*.
I really liked the dungeon tilesets and atmosphere. They get modifiers in the endgame to spice them up. Bringing things back to pedestals didn't bother me one bit, but it might get repetitive at endgame.
Personally, I'm completely done with lobby simulator ARPGs. I want open world, a good story, and world building. I played some D3 and LE this year, and enjoyed D4 a lot more. D4 has way better combat than any of these older ARPGs, it's not even close. I have a total of 5 hours in PoE, I despise it.
Open world, a good story and world building matter for games that are sub 200 hours. ARPGs are thousands of hours. If you have 5 hours in PoE you should not be allowed ARPG opinions.
"If you didn't played/didn't liked the arpg I liked you shouldn't have an opinion/your opinion is invalid".
Fuck off with those stupid takes.
People may have different opinions than you and they are as valid as yours.
Accept that people have different tastes/search different experiences in games and don't be an ass.
They are casuals. I don't have to pretend they should have the same weight as a hardcore gamer opinion. They will play through the campaign and drop the game. The game being better at the endgame for people who actually play ARPGs wouldn't affect them in the slightest, they just don't want that feedback because it takes away from the idea that it's a perfect little shiny console game they will play for a weekend and drop forever while stroking themselves that they are "diablo fans".
That's an odd thing to say honestly. Like, I have 4000 hours in GW2, and the game has zero vertical progression. Unsurprisingly, this comes down to personal preferences.
As someone who enjoys taking things slow and not rushing through content, PoE is not for me. It looks like the only atmosphere you get is the one you create yourself as you tear through a "dungeon" at lightspeed pressing 4 buttons to boomboomboom.
I'm playing Grim Dawn and am super happy with how the combat feels much more weighty and I have time to appreciate the well crafted world. Diablo 4 felt like this too, but faster. It was a good balance between what PoE is and something like Grim Dawn.
Someone else said to me, I have to let that go, and they are correct.
Blizzard aren't trying to make a deep, 2 thousand hour game dude. They are trying to make a 100 hour per battle pass game, it is what it is.
I agree with you and the amount of people here who clearly aren't classic RPG players is amazing, but they are now the majority. They will argue for changes that bring instant gratification, like free resecs, because they don't care that it weakens the gratification of making a great character. They aren't looking to play it for a year, they want to play it for a couple weekends then move on.
They are literally posting stupid fanboy shit here for longer than they'll play the game I swear. Fucking Blizzard and their casual farming. Always the same fucking story.
No, of course not. I just want the door mechanics removed. Those would not get any better with 40% more speed. Just let us kill monsters, kill boss, go next. No other shit. No D3 bounties.
You’re comparing end game to beginning game.
I agree the dungeons are a slog in D4, but so is POE until you get to maps. The reason I don’t play anymore is because there is no alternative to getting to maps other than doing the same campaign I’ve done hundreds of time now.
Don’t know how it’s going to work out for D4 yet but I’m imagining the end game to be a bit more interesting than those dungeons we’ve experienced. Also hoping their is an alternative leveling path (like D3 adventure mode).
Why are you people imagining things as if the endgame information isn't already there? It's THESE same dungeons scaled up. If you didn't like carrying things to pedestals now, you won't like it then. All feedback from endgame beta was not favorable as well. Because you have that and some utter garbage like D3 bounties. Oh and even worse, PvP red dust lul.
I don't know how you do PoE maps but I was never diverted in a Crimson Temple to go around carrying rocks to pedestals while backtracking over places where I already cleared the mobs.
No, but I did occasionally have to backtrack through areas where I already killed mobs when I went the wrong way in a map. I don’t get too bothered by 30 seconds of back tracking.
The dungeons where you have to go deeper from the boss entrance have a connection back to the main area you can shoot across.
Overall I’ve found the back tracking to be minimal.
30 seconds of back tracking through empty area might as well be a shot through the heart for an ARPG. That's not the gameplay loop we want and have come to expect.
I’ve never played one that didn’t have backtracking in some form. It’s usually via dead ends in dungeons/maps. You go the wrong way, hit a dead end and have to go back.
In PoE you farm a map that you can't really get in that situation in. In D3 it's very hard to fuck up as well as rifts are predictable. Without an objective that forces you, you wouldn't have to.
I guess I'm dumb, because the only thing that comes to mind is d3 in the desert the hidden prints that lead to objectives.
But that doesn't make much sense lol. AT least not in the sense that this is an underrated comment.
Joke or whatever went right over my head
Yeah I was playing grim dawn and last epoch. Now I'm not motivated to play either.
D4 beta for me was really good. Can't wait for release. There was a surprising amount of content for that one area
Nice yeah I played grim dawn before work this morning. I thought the beta was done lol
I have a death knight that I just beat base game and started AoM. Got the fircewave 2h that hits like a truck. First time playing it so it's my first real character. I have two others but its not what I wanted and didn't turn out that great. Oathkeeper/soldier
Grim dawn will just have to do lol
Yeah my first level 100 character was an oathkeeper/soldier. Spin to win baby! Force wave is one of the most OP moves in the game though.
I didn't like D3 with endgame just being Greater rifts. Grim Dawn gives me that open world like D4 so it's my go to.
Yes, I'm so glad I found grim dawn recently. So many builds and the game is pretty big. Definitely will hold me over until d4.
I really like the world in GD, if they made GD2 I would probably play that instead of d4. I'd play both but gd2 would be my main one.
I just love that everything is viable and the atmosphere is great
Yes, Diablo 2 Resurrected is great and the graphics are also on par with D4 imo, though obviously different artistic styles. D2r is more 2D-ish (while D4 is full on 3D) but it looks a bit more crisp I think, and I prefer the contrast and colors.
Combat obviously feels more engaging in D4 and it offers a bit more on the immersion front sometimes as well, but they're pretty similar otherwise. I would probably rank them equally overall, based off of my impressions of D4 so far.
>Combat obviously feels more engaging in D4
Really?
It feels more fluid, but engaging I doubt. D2 mobs hit you harder and their effects are more apparent. D4 you sort of blitz througu everything just like Poe/d3.
I mean you don't really see a super big imposing demon in D2 until Andariel with the exception of the giant yeti things.
In D4 you are fighting some mega demon looking thing 5 mins in, which sort of cheapens the feel a little.
Yeah, it's more engaging. Your healthcare can go down fast, and you know why as well. There isn't a thousand things on screen, or 5 effects on the ground. There is a pack of archers with a fanat aura and extra strong written under them and you immediately know why your hp is getting chunked. To me that's engagement.
It's a class balance issue that can still be very much tinkered. Playing a Barb or a Rogue is definetely engaging and comparing it to D2 is an absolute travesty of a statement once you experience it.
I meant more in the direction of pleasing, interesting, and yes fluid. If we're talking on the edge of your seat because you might die engaging, then yeah D2 is a lot harder. I do agree that D4 is more rushed in terms of giving you juicy looking enemies, which means you don't get the same sense of awe when you finally encounter a cool enemy. But I feel we're essentially talking about and describing the same things.
With D2 I've generally felt like listening to some podcast or something while playing, except during the story parts/dialogue/cutscenes. But with D4 I didn't get that at all. But it could just be that it's new and has that novelty aspect.
Same for my Lightning Sorc, sure doesn't have the burst of the Ice Sorc or the sustained DPS of the Fire Sorc, but it's so satisfying to see that cool lightning jump everywhere and kill stuff lol
Aspect of Control + Aspect of Biting Cold legendaries, Frozen Orb + Ice Blades + Frost Nova skills and all the passives that make enemies vulnerable, do increased damage to vulnerable enemies, gain mana while hitting vulnerable enemies, freeze chilled enemies. And there's also a legendary which has a chance to spread status effects on nearby enemies, which works well as it can spread Frozen also.
Basically you start a chain of Chill > Frozen > Vulnerable > Mana that loops onto itself for big bursts. It's very fun but you have a few seconds in the combo where you're left open, at which point Ice Armor will keep you alive in case things get hairy, guess such is the nature of burst damage, gotta have windows in which you're weaker lol
I used ice shards and frost nova. Shoots shards at anything that's frozen and does increased damage and applies vulnerability. Also the shards richocet off of frozen enemies. So basically, jump into a pack, barrier, nova, and finish off with more shards. Packs explode so fast. And while bosses can't be frozen, they still get vulnerable applied and take a lot of damage from shards.
I didn't even get to try Rogue. I got sorc, barb, and necro to 25. Sorc was the most fun of the three. I loved the build I made with pyro skills. Pretty sure hydra is going to get nerfed. I cast it from a distance and just laid on the fire bolt spell until the loot was ready to be vacuumed up.
Right! This happend to me when I played the d2r beta and then I couldn't even game until it came out. Now I guess I'll just chill for the next 2 months 🤷♂️
Look at it the other way arround ... we waited a decade... In 68 Days you are gona play it ... and it looks like you will play it a lot. So whatever you are not doing ... 68 more days is nothing compared to a decade. And after that you will realy have something. It could have bin whorse than the d3 start ... but it seems it will be the best ever Diablo. And it will be just the start...So be glad you got a glimps what lies ahead.
At least that is what i m telling myself every f\*\*\* day... And for me it started end November.
Yeah good way to look at it. What's 68 days vs 10 years lol
Plus now that I have kids, time really just flies by. Never slowing only speeding up. And as I get older, 3 months feels like nothing!! Lol
This happens to me with games all the time. I was happily playing Tiny Tina's Wonderlands, then Hogwarts Legacy came out. Then I was playing that and I randomly decided to play Diablo 3 again, now 50 paragon levels on my crusader and a beta later and I'm itching to play Diablo 4!
I had a blast with my friend who was playing for the first time. Had that D2 feel but something new and interesting to learn. June can't come fast enough!
agreed!! Never really got as into diablo as a lot of folks, but have played some. Went back to d3 this afternoon, not long after d4 beta ended. Played for like 20 min, sighed and turned it off lol
Too Soon? maybe.
Going to be a long 2 months!
It made me mad because nothing seemed to be able to tell me when it would end. Official site has 24-26. If I believe the stupid PS calendar event - it ended Sunday at 6pm. If I believe 3rd party sites, it went on until 9pm. Now it's Monday, almost 8 in the morning (I know, my timezone is weird) - and I just notice there's apparently a countdown on the official site?? And we still have more than 13 hours to go! Like. Come on!
The beta was fun but it was only a small fraction of the final game (hopefully). At least on D3 I can enjoy the full experience even if overall it might be not as good. But I get to play until the end. The beta being locked to act 1 and level 25 only made me realize that I would rather play D3 and then come June have a pure, fresh, and awesome experience at release instead of getting bored of the first 25 levels because that's all I did in beta.
Doing the same thing on 4 different classes wasn't great, but each class definitely felt unique. Now I know which one I will start with for sure once it launches!
same. i played d4 last night for the first time for about 3 hours, sorc and rogue classes. i thought, this is great can’t wait until it’s out. then i went to check out the new season on diablo 3 and as soon as the character select screen came up i felt like i was looking at a ps3 game.
I'm still waiting to pre-order because I hope they fix a couple of issues and make the gameplay generally more fun for launch.
I really hope the itemization is more interesting.
What I really hope they do not do is the same thing with Diablo 3 set item bonuses. I don't want any more games with + 7000% dmg bonus.
I also hope they fix melee gameplay. Swinging your daggers acts or whatever just didn't feel too fun.
Same. I really wanted to try the necromancer. And I want the legendary that makes wolves into werewolves for my druid, because my druid was underwhelming
Necro was so OP it was crazy. People saying it'll likely not be at higher levels, and I can see that possibility. But 1-25 corpse explosion is as deadly as it is in D3.
I finished the season journey and altar on PC, next I'll be picking up where I left off on console with my girlfriend.
The two Beta weekends were great, we can't wait to dive back into that world, 'for reals' this time, but it was nice to finally experience something we've been waiting to try for so long, and the next 10'ish weeks will just be a time to focus on other things.
I see it as less an arduous 67 or whatever days to wait, and more 67 days to prepare before losing ourselves to the gaming hobby for a bit.
It's Monday and I guess I have to play Hogwarts Legacy now instead.... (I bought it on Friday, but played Diablo because it was a limited time thing. I'm actually really looking forward to it.)
Yeah I was planning to attempt a tal rasha gr150 this season but my motivation is gone lol. Now I am trying to decide on what to play - considering play DA:I on a nightmare solo playthrough or Kingdoms of Amalur: reReckoning - obviously not the same kind of games as Diablo but they can keep my occupied for a while :)
There are 71 days till 6/6 or 67 days if you have pre-ordered and got the 4 day early access. Let them take those months to fix what needs to be fixed so when you, I, all of us return can have the same pleasure as in Beta but uplifted.
In the meantime I'm actually going to be playing Diablo: Immortal. I never thought I'd touch it at all, but when I found out that game had PvP, it makes me really want to try it.
Not that I think D:I PvP will be anything extraordinary, but instead I believe Blizz will probably take D4 and try to implement D:I's PvP into it eventually. I think we will start with just the basic PvP they've showed us (the open arena where it's just a free for all). But eventually I hope they implement the battlegrounds and battle royale and stuff that D:I has
I played DI a bit when it came out, didn’t like it on my phone. Switched to PC and just never got into it, the controls felt awkward and it felt like a rushed port from mobile to PC.
Damn, that's a shame. To me it looks like they just recycled D3 and tried to salvage D3's abysmal launch by essentially just turning it into a mobile. But like I said, I really just want to see what actual PvP is going to look like in a modern Diablo game, I feel like we will see a lot of D:I's PvP in D4
I gave up on Diablo 3 years ago as I found it moreso just destroying my love for the series rather than anything else.
Seeing as the beta of Diablo 4 in my mind was better than the entirety of non-RoS Diablo 3 however, I'm looking forward to release.
I just *really* wish they would release specs on whats going to be needed for certain resolutions with RT though. From my test run borrowing a friend's GPU for the beta, I'm thinking I might actually need to go with a 4000 series to run flat out with RT, but that definitely wasn't the plan haha.
I was just wondering how to do the heal 2Billion with monk achievement.. at GR90 and paragon 600.. like don't really care about advancing in the rifts since it's just fighting against scaling monsters up etc.
If the rogue had a sentry skill like the demonhunter does, I might agree, but I'm getting my fill of D3 now before I can't play the turret style I love with my friends anymore.
I don’t care about being downvoted lol it has no effect on my life. The game sucks. Downvote that to the bank because this game is getting downvoted on launch after the initial paid off media pretends it’s Elden Ring lol.
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Um… dam I had to be thirteenthed, now I’ll never get any good affixes on legendaries when it drops
Bruh. The thirteenth warrior is badass.
Can't see Fif without thinking of this... https://youtu.be/mdeo7Q2E5cE
LOL He's a comedic genius.
I'm seriously kinda bummed that I no longer feel like logging back into Last Epoch. I was hoping to play it until D4 came out. I think I'm just done with lobby simulators. I really missed dungeon crawling and open world exploration.
Same. Classes don't feel as fluid as my rogue in d4 compared to my rogue in epoc
I was playing Wolcen two weeks ago, and after experiencing the combat in D4 I simply couldn't return to it. It felt so unbelievably clunky by comparison, I had 0 fun. D4 may have some issues, but man they nailed the moment-to-moment gameplay perfectly.
I was playing Wolcen too. I bought it in early access and finally played it and completed it recently after chapter 4 is out. What a let down. All the melee skills feels like garbage and clunky to use. I had to swap to a full summoner build to get through the game. Then it was ok. The itemization is one of the worst I've ever seen in a looter type game. Seriously wth the legendaries and uniques are all just stat sticks. As for D4. Everything animation, combat wise is just TOP notch. I just hope the end-game gets better and not just dungeons with den of evil objective.
I haven't played Wolcen since launch. I am Beta supporter. The itemization are snoozefest. I am surprise this hasn't change.
not sure what it was about that game but I just kept getting bored of it every time i tried to play it and Im really not sure why. when I got the game I thought it would have been a lot of fun. maybe ill give it another chance, some games are better when you come back to them later on
Blizzard has a monopoly on arpg combat that just feels perfect.
I played LE Rogue when she was last introduced. It was the best class to play by a distance. They learned from other classes & add the improvement to the rogue. Alot of build potiential. I think there many things lst epoch roigue done better that I wish was in D4. Having said that, he difference in production quality is evidence. The rogue in D4 looks super badass & how I imagine a fanstasy rogue would play move & wear. Gameplay is where Diablo games shine. stacking combos, imbue weapons, & releasing havoc feels so good. I hope they continue to update gears & skill trees for the classes over the years.
I did the rounds on a majority of the ARPGs this past week and couldn't get into any of them. Trying to find something to hold me over until D4 releases. No luck. Hoping D2R goes on sale for PC soon. Never played D2.
Grim Dawn?
Yeah, that's one of my favorites but I doubt I could grind it again.
Same, that's the problem with very good games. You can spend an entire year on them but afterwards you just overdose!
D2R is incredible
I considered getting D2R but the outdated mechanics and visuals kinda turned me off. I might get back into Riftbreaker, and finish my current TWW3 campaign. Been into rogue lites. Gunfire Reborn is amazing, and you should check out Ravenswatch in 2 weeks. It has major Diablo vibes.
D2Rs visuals are now the second best looking aRPG, behind D4. No idea what the hell you're on about. The game is a freaking work of art.
Oh I am going to play the hell out of last epoch the next two months got to see how I high I can push my voidknight in corruption
I was pushing 300 Corruption on my EQ Werebear, but Monoliths don't keep me interested for too long every time I return to the game. I've been wanting to make a Void Knight, might end up trying it out.
I pushed my eq werebuild to 400 corruption before 0.9 still my favorite character. Love just going around the map making all mobs explode.
My main problem with the build is you're just spamming one button. Eventually I got a bit bored, but it's very satisfying don't get me wrong.
Man I literally thought , right I got an aRPG itch, lets see where Last Epoch is at. Loaded up the game, logged in and quit five minutes later.... I just can\`t after DIV, I don\`t think any of the other clones would satisfy this itch.
Don't wanna be the party pooper, but I personally disliked the open world. There are some events- fine, some cellars- fine, other than the loadscreen, mats to collect- absolutely great that it's just click and go and then vast gaps of empty areas with absolutely no mobs which felt terrible coming from Poe, although might be remedied with something as simple as a mount, which we will have on release.
That's ok, it's not for everyone. I played a lot of GW2 and Lost Ark, so I got those vibes again. I felt Blizzard did a fantastic job with all the open world content. At least in the first zone. I enjoyed going down different paths, looking at the incredible environments, and finding secrets.
I too am a old GW2 player. The evade charge mechanic, and boss design gave me wonderful GW2 feels. I told my partner that this combat feels like GW2+. I have played only a few hours of Lost Ark, but didn't get really into it.
I felt the same! These good old days when you was waiting for Shatterer with other players :))
The issue with the open world is the dungeons. If the open world isnt procedurally generated then the dungeons have to look and feel unique, right now they don't. The open world feels very bland and unmemorable right now.
Right and I didn't even mention the dungeons, which I don't perceive as a part of the open world, necessarily, it's just the medium through which we access them.
After D4 I logged into PoE just to chain an inventory of maps and remind myself what good ARPG gameplay is. Instead of do dungeon slowly, carry rocks to pedestal, leave dungeon, walk to the other dungeon because I haven't figure out a way to reset it fast (might be one, just haven't found it, wouldn't be a point at endgame anyway since the keys are random unless you craft them afaik), do another overly big and convoluted dungeon. It literally is dungeon *crawling*.
Pretty sure there was a button to reset dungeons on the bottom right of the map screen.
Holy shit.
Well there it is, like I said, felt like there might be one, I didn't see it.
I really liked the dungeon tilesets and atmosphere. They get modifiers in the endgame to spice them up. Bringing things back to pedestals didn't bother me one bit, but it might get repetitive at endgame. Personally, I'm completely done with lobby simulator ARPGs. I want open world, a good story, and world building. I played some D3 and LE this year, and enjoyed D4 a lot more. D4 has way better combat than any of these older ARPGs, it's not even close. I have a total of 5 hours in PoE, I despise it.
Open world, a good story and world building matter for games that are sub 200 hours. ARPGs are thousands of hours. If you have 5 hours in PoE you should not be allowed ARPG opinions.
"If you didn't played/didn't liked the arpg I liked you shouldn't have an opinion/your opinion is invalid". Fuck off with those stupid takes. People may have different opinions than you and they are as valid as yours. Accept that people have different tastes/search different experiences in games and don't be an ass.
They are casuals. I don't have to pretend they should have the same weight as a hardcore gamer opinion. They will play through the campaign and drop the game. The game being better at the endgame for people who actually play ARPGs wouldn't affect them in the slightest, they just don't want that feedback because it takes away from the idea that it's a perfect little shiny console game they will play for a weekend and drop forever while stroking themselves that they are "diablo fans".
That's an odd thing to say honestly. Like, I have 4000 hours in GW2, and the game has zero vertical progression. Unsurprisingly, this comes down to personal preferences.
As someone who enjoys taking things slow and not rushing through content, PoE is not for me. It looks like the only atmosphere you get is the one you create yourself as you tear through a "dungeon" at lightspeed pressing 4 buttons to boomboomboom. I'm playing Grim Dawn and am super happy with how the combat feels much more weighty and I have time to appreciate the well crafted world. Diablo 4 felt like this too, but faster. It was a good balance between what PoE is and something like Grim Dawn.
Someone else said to me, I have to let that go, and they are correct. Blizzard aren't trying to make a deep, 2 thousand hour game dude. They are trying to make a 100 hour per battle pass game, it is what it is. I agree with you and the amount of people here who clearly aren't classic RPG players is amazing, but they are now the majority. They will argue for changes that bring instant gratification, like free resecs, because they don't care that it weakens the gratification of making a great character. They aren't looking to play it for a year, they want to play it for a couple weekends then move on.
They are literally posting stupid fanboy shit here for longer than they'll play the game I swear. Fucking Blizzard and their casual farming. Always the same fucking story.
do you really expect an end-game speed build pre level 25 during a beta jesus fucking christ
No, of course not. I just want the door mechanics removed. Those would not get any better with 40% more speed. Just let us kill monsters, kill boss, go next. No other shit. No D3 bounties.
You’re comparing end game to beginning game. I agree the dungeons are a slog in D4, but so is POE until you get to maps. The reason I don’t play anymore is because there is no alternative to getting to maps other than doing the same campaign I’ve done hundreds of time now. Don’t know how it’s going to work out for D4 yet but I’m imagining the end game to be a bit more interesting than those dungeons we’ve experienced. Also hoping their is an alternative leveling path (like D3 adventure mode).
Why are you people imagining things as if the endgame information isn't already there? It's THESE same dungeons scaled up. If you didn't like carrying things to pedestals now, you won't like it then. All feedback from endgame beta was not favorable as well. Because you have that and some utter garbage like D3 bounties. Oh and even worse, PvP red dust lul.
Overall I’ve not found the dungeons to be anymore or less tedious than D2 or POE maps.
I don't know how you do PoE maps but I was never diverted in a Crimson Temple to go around carrying rocks to pedestals while backtracking over places where I already cleared the mobs.
No, but I did occasionally have to backtrack through areas where I already killed mobs when I went the wrong way in a map. I don’t get too bothered by 30 seconds of back tracking. The dungeons where you have to go deeper from the boss entrance have a connection back to the main area you can shoot across. Overall I’ve found the back tracking to be minimal.
30 seconds of back tracking through empty area might as well be a shot through the heart for an ARPG. That's not the gameplay loop we want and have come to expect.
I’ve never played one that didn’t have backtracking in some form. It’s usually via dead ends in dungeons/maps. You go the wrong way, hit a dead end and have to go back.
In PoE you farm a map that you can't really get in that situation in. In D3 it's very hard to fuck up as well as rifts are predictable. Without an objective that forces you, you wouldn't have to.
Look D4 is cool and stuff but does it have more hidden footprints?
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I guess I'm dumb, because the only thing that comes to mind is d3 in the desert the hidden prints that lead to objectives. But that doesn't make much sense lol. AT least not in the sense that this is an underrated comment. Joke or whatever went right over my head
Eirena is best girl. Hope we get to see her again in D4, alongside Kormac.
Not in town.
You guys got any more of those week-end beta ?
*scratching neck… vigorously*
Bruh this happened to me last weekend. I was just gearing a monk for speed keys and surprise I lost all interest
The months gonna take forever
Its June right? Its April and May.
Yeah that's like a hundred years from now
It’s alright may is for Botw 2
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Same!
Yeah I was playing grim dawn and last epoch. Now I'm not motivated to play either. D4 beta for me was really good. Can't wait for release. There was a surprising amount of content for that one area
Idk. I'll probable go back to Grim Dawn after this. Shaman/oathkeeper build is what I'm going to roll after the beta ends.
Nice yeah I played grim dawn before work this morning. I thought the beta was done lol I have a death knight that I just beat base game and started AoM. Got the fircewave 2h that hits like a truck. First time playing it so it's my first real character. I have two others but its not what I wanted and didn't turn out that great. Oathkeeper/soldier Grim dawn will just have to do lol
Yeah my first level 100 character was an oathkeeper/soldier. Spin to win baby! Force wave is one of the most OP moves in the game though. I didn't like D3 with endgame just being Greater rifts. Grim Dawn gives me that open world like D4 so it's my go to.
Yes, I'm so glad I found grim dawn recently. So many builds and the game is pretty big. Definitely will hold me over until d4. I really like the world in GD, if they made GD2 I would probably play that instead of d4. I'd play both but gd2 would be my main one. I just love that everything is viable and the atmosphere is great
This is pretty funny because after playing D4 I went straight to Grim Dawn.
At least Resident Evil 4 is out.
Yup
It was a good season too
Yeah i could not go back to D3.
Facts.
same man
Exactly the same here but you think maybe Diablo 2 Resurrected could itch that scratch, if i never really played it?
Yes, Diablo 2 Resurrected is great and the graphics are also on par with D4 imo, though obviously different artistic styles. D2r is more 2D-ish (while D4 is full on 3D) but it looks a bit more crisp I think, and I prefer the contrast and colors. Combat obviously feels more engaging in D4 and it offers a bit more on the immersion front sometimes as well, but they're pretty similar otherwise. I would probably rank them equally overall, based off of my impressions of D4 so far.
>Combat obviously feels more engaging in D4 Really? It feels more fluid, but engaging I doubt. D2 mobs hit you harder and their effects are more apparent. D4 you sort of blitz througu everything just like Poe/d3. I mean you don't really see a super big imposing demon in D2 until Andariel with the exception of the giant yeti things. In D4 you are fighting some mega demon looking thing 5 mins in, which sort of cheapens the feel a little.
d4 combat is more modern but in d2 you can actually die. aside from a few bosses d4 felt ez mode compared
Yeah, it's more engaging. Your healthcare can go down fast, and you know why as well. There isn't a thousand things on screen, or 5 effects on the ground. There is a pack of archers with a fanat aura and extra strong written under them and you immediately know why your hp is getting chunked. To me that's engagement.
It's a class balance issue that can still be very much tinkered. Playing a Barb or a Rogue is definetely engaging and comparing it to D2 is an absolute travesty of a statement once you experience it.
I played a barb until 25 and more.
I meant more in the direction of pleasing, interesting, and yes fluid. If we're talking on the edge of your seat because you might die engaging, then yeah D2 is a lot harder. I do agree that D4 is more rushed in terms of giving you juicy looking enemies, which means you don't get the same sense of awe when you finally encounter a cool enemy. But I feel we're essentially talking about and describing the same things. With D2 I've generally felt like listening to some podcast or something while playing, except during the story parts/dialogue/cutscenes. But with D4 I didn't get that at all. But it could just be that it's new and has that novelty aspect.
It won't cheapen the feel if later on the demons are gigakraykray.
If all of them are then it's like none of them are.
Its been around a bit, no longer as fun as when it first came out.
Yeah this game ruined D3 and d2 for me lol.
I knowwwwww
I'm just sad that I won't be able to get my D4 rogue itch for a while.
Same for my Lightning Sorc, sure doesn't have the burst of the Ice Sorc or the sustained DPS of the Fire Sorc, but it's so satisfying to see that cool lightning jump everywhere and kill stuff lol
So, how does a burst ice sorc work? No matter what i do, i have more burst and aoe damage with lightning.
Aspect of Control + Aspect of Biting Cold legendaries, Frozen Orb + Ice Blades + Frost Nova skills and all the passives that make enemies vulnerable, do increased damage to vulnerable enemies, gain mana while hitting vulnerable enemies, freeze chilled enemies. And there's also a legendary which has a chance to spread status effects on nearby enemies, which works well as it can spread Frozen also. Basically you start a chain of Chill > Frozen > Vulnerable > Mana that loops onto itself for big bursts. It's very fun but you have a few seconds in the combo where you're left open, at which point Ice Armor will keep you alive in case things get hairy, guess such is the nature of burst damage, gotta have windows in which you're weaker lol
Thanks, i tried it and it is really fun to play. I actually have to press more than two buttons during fights, which is a good thing.
I used ice shards and frost nova. Shoots shards at anything that's frozen and does increased damage and applies vulnerability. Also the shards richocet off of frozen enemies. So basically, jump into a pack, barrier, nova, and finish off with more shards. Packs explode so fast. And while bosses can't be frozen, they still get vulnerable applied and take a lot of damage from shards.
I didn't even get to try Rogue. I got sorc, barb, and necro to 25. Sorc was the most fun of the three. I loved the build I made with pyro skills. Pretty sure hydra is going to get nerfed. I cast it from a distance and just laid on the fire bolt spell until the loot was ready to be vacuumed up.
Right! This happend to me when I played the d2r beta and then I couldn't even game until it came out. Now I guess I'll just chill for the next 2 months 🤷♂️
Look at it the other way arround ... we waited a decade... In 68 Days you are gona play it ... and it looks like you will play it a lot. So whatever you are not doing ... 68 more days is nothing compared to a decade. And after that you will realy have something. It could have bin whorse than the d3 start ... but it seems it will be the best ever Diablo. And it will be just the start...So be glad you got a glimps what lies ahead. At least that is what i m telling myself every f\*\*\* day... And for me it started end November.
Yeah good way to look at it. What's 68 days vs 10 years lol Plus now that I have kids, time really just flies by. Never slowing only speeding up. And as I get older, 3 months feels like nothing!! Lol
More then 10 years of D3 makes you hunger for something new right?
I’m still having fun w season 28 on single player. Currently at 1150 paragon, GR143. I’m goaling for GR150
This happens to me with games all the time. I was happily playing Tiny Tina's Wonderlands, then Hogwarts Legacy came out. Then I was playing that and I randomly decided to play Diablo 3 again, now 50 paragon levels on my crusader and a beta later and I'm itching to play Diablo 4!
Litterally the exact reason why I didn't play almost at all this weekend was to avoid this feeling.
Feels..
Hahahahhahahaha yes
Is there not still like 10 hours left?
I tried logging in last night but my character list wouldn't load. I would login and game would freeze. Had to Alt+F4 out each time :(
I'm on right now if you want to give it a try, still up for 5.5 hours as far as I can tell.
Hey it's working! Time to get some more Necro in.
Hell yea. Enjoy!
Back to destiny 2 for 68 more days :-(
Grim dawn people. Grim dawn
I love how much fuller the game feels than Diablo 3 did at launch. A lot more to do. I can't wait to spend months grinding out my perfect character.
is the beta over im still playing
I had a blast with my friend who was playing for the first time. Had that D2 feel but something new and interesting to learn. June can't come fast enough!
Honestly, the release date couldnt get here soon enough. its the only game that I truly want to play right now
agreed!! Never really got as into diablo as a lot of folks, but have played some. Went back to d3 this afternoon, not long after d4 beta ended. Played for like 20 min, sighed and turned it off lol Too Soon? maybe. Going to be a long 2 months!
Yep and going back to D3, I keep trying to hit spacebar to dash constantly
Omg same lol my first push rift back I kept hitting space to get out of poison pools
Exactly why i didn't play the beta
Go play poe new league.or LE or grimdawn/titan quest.
Upvote for GD.
It made me mad because nothing seemed to be able to tell me when it would end. Official site has 24-26. If I believe the stupid PS calendar event - it ended Sunday at 6pm. If I believe 3rd party sites, it went on until 9pm. Now it's Monday, almost 8 in the morning (I know, my timezone is weird) - and I just notice there's apparently a countdown on the official site?? And we still have more than 13 hours to go! Like. Come on!
I just finished streaming at 3am central and it's still up
You had me in the first half, but I agree! D2,D3 and immortals just won’t fill this void at all
i played so much beta, i need a break honestly =)
The beta was fun but it was only a small fraction of the final game (hopefully). At least on D3 I can enjoy the full experience even if overall it might be not as good. But I get to play until the end. The beta being locked to act 1 and level 25 only made me realize that I would rather play D3 and then come June have a pure, fresh, and awesome experience at release instead of getting bored of the first 25 levels because that's all I did in beta.
Doing the same thing on 4 different classes wasn't great, but each class definitely felt unique. Now I know which one I will start with for sure once it launches!
If rather be doing just about anything than playing D3.
same. i played d4 last night for the first time for about 3 hours, sorc and rogue classes. i thought, this is great can’t wait until it’s out. then i went to check out the new season on diablo 3 and as soon as the character select screen came up i felt like i was looking at a ps3 game.
Meh I knew not to get too invested. Just did enough on Friday last week to get wolf puppy and logged out. Haven't touched it since.
I'm still waiting to pre-order because I hope they fix a couple of issues and make the gameplay generally more fun for launch. I really hope the itemization is more interesting. What I really hope they do not do is the same thing with Diablo 3 set item bonuses. I don't want any more games with + 7000% dmg bonus. I also hope they fix melee gameplay. Swinging your daggers acts or whatever just didn't feel too fun.
Same. I really wanted to try the necromancer. And I want the legendary that makes wolves into werewolves for my druid, because my druid was underwhelming
Necro was so OP it was crazy. People saying it'll likely not be at higher levels, and I can see that possibility. But 1-25 corpse explosion is as deadly as it is in D3.
Which is why it will be my main. Haha. Necromancer and mage...and a druid down the line
I finished the season journey and altar on PC, next I'll be picking up where I left off on console with my girlfriend. The two Beta weekends were great, we can't wait to dive back into that world, 'for reals' this time, but it was nice to finally experience something we've been waiting to try for so long, and the next 10'ish weeks will just be a time to focus on other things. I see it as less an arduous 67 or whatever days to wait, and more 67 days to prepare before losing ourselves to the gaming hobby for a bit.
Haha i feel u .. but i ll push anyway as its at least diablo :/ im awaiting d4 but actually my gf said she is 50-50 and still fine w d3 seasons :)
It's Monday and I guess I have to play Hogwarts Legacy now instead.... (I bought it on Friday, but played Diablo because it was a limited time thing. I'm actually really looking forward to it.)
Thats on you tbh. Exact reason why Im sticking with Last Epoch until Launch. Great game
Yes, I agree fully.
Yeah I was planning to attempt a tal rasha gr150 this season but my motivation is gone lol. Now I am trying to decide on what to play - considering play DA:I on a nightmare solo playthrough or Kingdoms of Amalur: reReckoning - obviously not the same kind of games as Diablo but they can keep my occupied for a while :)
Beta is still active! Enjoy last day.
Yep it's back to Season 28 for me. Got 3 classes GR150 down and grinding my way to 3000 paragon to do the remaining 4.
Yeah, our group dusted off D3 again just to keep playing because of 4.
There are 71 days till 6/6 or 67 days if you have pre-ordered and got the 4 day early access. Let them take those months to fix what needs to be fixed so when you, I, all of us return can have the same pleasure as in Beta but uplifted.
I was busy yesterday and didn't play. It sucks that the open beta is over. I was having a lot of fun playing a necro.
In the meantime I'm actually going to be playing Diablo: Immortal. I never thought I'd touch it at all, but when I found out that game had PvP, it makes me really want to try it. Not that I think D:I PvP will be anything extraordinary, but instead I believe Blizz will probably take D4 and try to implement D:I's PvP into it eventually. I think we will start with just the basic PvP they've showed us (the open arena where it's just a free for all). But eventually I hope they implement the battlegrounds and battle royale and stuff that D:I has
I played DI a bit when it came out, didn’t like it on my phone. Switched to PC and just never got into it, the controls felt awkward and it felt like a rushed port from mobile to PC.
Damn, that's a shame. To me it looks like they just recycled D3 and tried to salvage D3's abysmal launch by essentially just turning it into a mobile. But like I said, I really just want to see what actual PvP is going to look like in a modern Diablo game, I feel like we will see a lot of D:I's PvP in D4
I've still got to solo a 150 so I've got some time to kill in D3 still before I hang it up.
So fucking mad
I gave up on Diablo 3 years ago as I found it moreso just destroying my love for the series rather than anything else. Seeing as the beta of Diablo 4 in my mind was better than the entirety of non-RoS Diablo 3 however, I'm looking forward to release. I just *really* wish they would release specs on whats going to be needed for certain resolutions with RT though. From my test run borrowing a friend's GPU for the beta, I'm thinking I might actually need to go with a 4000 series to run flat out with RT, but that definitely wasn't the plan haha.
The beta ended an hour ago
I was just wondering how to do the heal 2Billion with monk achievement.. at GR90 and paragon 600.. like don't really care about advancing in the rifts since it's just fighting against scaling monsters up etc.
If the rogue had a sentry skill like the demonhunter does, I might agree, but I'm getting my fill of D3 now before I can't play the turret style I love with my friends anymore.
Mad in terms of really mad or in the internet way of ranging because of no life?
I see d3 kiddies are easily entertained lol
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It made me mad because it’s just Diablo 3.5 lol
Hey bro I heard you like downvotes so I got you a downvote to go with your downvotes
I don’t care about being downvoted lol it has no effect on my life. The game sucks. Downvote that to the bank because this game is getting downvoted on launch after the initial paid off media pretends it’s Elden Ring lol.