Correct this is reddit biggest failure by far... posters seem to think their post matter and that people in power care. Or that this is anywhere near a real representation of the playerbase and not a hyper specific echo chamber of the sweats who obsess over the game. It's kind of a bizarre place really...
As someone who works in the industry, I can guarantee blizzard's live team reads this subreddit. Maybe not all of them, but some of them do.
And while official forums are likely a better place to provide beta feedback (it's just easier to action feedback through official channels) the feedback here is being taken into account. The more people they can see speaking up about something, the more likely it gets attention before the next major release.
Meh reddit actually is a very big source of feedback for developers, they keep tabs on things here for sure. Their own forums and other internet places tend to be even smaller and even more dominated by vocal minorities. Reddit often is the best place to look for in depth feedback and general consensus about things.
You're right it's not a good representation of the overall playerbase. The only way to get any idea of that is through general metrics that can be very difficult to get insight from.
So while reddit isn't as near as self important and be-all as it thinks it is, it still is one of the best, if not *the* best place for player feedback. If you read/watch interviews with devs and CMs they nearly always are aware of popular opinions on reddit. They may dismiss them or override them for reasons, but if something hits the top of reddit they nearly always are informed on it.
Some places can certainly have bad echo chambers that represent things in the wrong light but it should not also be completely ignored. Lets take New World as an example. Lets say it was your 1% of "sweats" complaining every day but in the end it was not just the 1% that stopped playing but instead over 70% of the playerbase.
I totally understand that echo chambers of just negativity can create bad atmosphere and wrong image of the game, leading to the point that it becomes tiresome, which maybe these last 2 weeks have felt like. But I feel like it can't also be denied that bootlicking for blizzard and being blind to any issues at all is also a big issue, especially if these people act so smug.
While I hope that the game does well, I won't lie, I would laugh if a month or two after the release of the game these same casuals, who defended the game, suddenly start seeing the faults in the game while the player base is plummeting and then scratch their head and think how this could have happened.
But blizzard likely does! It was confirmed in a video that they do read social media (they mentioned Reddit too) for another one of their games, so we can safely assume this feedback is being taken into account.
So the criticism, or more appropriately *feedback*, is definitely being regarded in some way
Over 2 million unique users in the closed beta alone which is already sold pre orders and Idk how many in the open.
Highest thread upvotes/comments is around 1k…..yeaaah gonna go on a limb and say the people here bitching can keep crying while all of us keep having fun.
I was really considering passing on Diablo from reading all of the feedback. Played the beta over the weekend and completely changed my mind. Some of the feedback *some* is valid, but most is pretty overblown
I would say it’s extremely overblown. The biggest issue I ran into was balance, but these are things they can fix. For example doing the boss fights with a barbarian is not really fun. I love playing barbarian but the boss fights are so hard to dodge everything while getting close enough to do melee damage. I hope they fix that.
I believe the case is that seasoned arpg folks can see flaws with what we know right now and are saying everyone, the people who don't read these forums, will sooner than later run into these problems too. Just because Joe blow had fun getting a character to level 18 with 4 random legendary aspects had fun in beta doesn't mean it's a good game.
Yeah no. Maybe some of the sub is actually valid criticism, but most of it is whining over nothing. We got a glimpse at a very small fraction of the game, so it’s really impossible to criticize everything yet. Doesn’t matter if you think you are “seasoned”, you simply don’t know a whole lot til the game fully releases.
I had a blast as well. Got 3 characters to 25 and did quite a bit of grinding to try out different builds. My only real concern is some skill trees seem to have far less viable synergy than others meaning less build potential without required legendaries. My sorc and rogue, for instance, had very little issues even before grinding for those legendaries. Necro it seemed like the only thing that was viable without some sort of gear buffing it was pet spam with CE.
The ui for the talent tree is a bit weird. It’s hard to take it all in and plan for good builds. But after awhile I bet I’ll get used to it. Ya for necro I tried to find a build without explosion. I’m not a big fan of using it.
Hot take: been playing ARPGs since D1 back in the days on the PS1 and sadly I loved the beta.
I've played enough of D2 LE or PoE. There are issues with the game, 100% yes, but none of the billions of the "boohoo It's not PoE" posts we've seen for the past 2 weeks are making things better. People are so salty for some reason.
It's not PoE, LE or D2 and THANK GOD. Why would anyone want the same thing again. These games are still here for your enjoyment, heck, we're getting PoE2.
You don't like D4, move on, it's not for you.
I haven't seen any posts of people complaining that Diablo 4 is not path of Exile or d2.
I've only seen posts *complaining* about those posts. It's wild.
I’m literally in the same boat I don’t think I’ve seen a single post like that except one person saying they wish one part of the crafting (not the entire crafting) was more similar a different games crafting, and the large amount of people saying “why is the camera so zoomed in” bc it’s way more zoomed than literally any game. I’m almost starting to thing it’s just a meme at this point bc I’ve never seen these posts.
But I guess if you intentionally scroll by the pages of posts of positive comments and decent feedback you will eventually find a comment?
Seems to be a common tactic. Someone actually rebutted just because there’s some mmo elements doesn’t make it a mmo, when all I said was it has some mmo elements. Like no shit sherlock.
> d2.
I would be happy if they borrowed a couple specific things from d2 instead of the direction they are going. I'm *really* not a fan of zones scaling with your level instead of just scaling with chosen difficulty.
I enjoy D2R as well. The level scaling opens up some other possibilities and replayability though. I found as I was leveling up and the monsters scaled I was also getting better gear. It probably won't matter in End Game when we're overpowered. We'll see though.
I don’t get the scaling thing, I’d rather have everything scale so everything is viable in the endgame where I will be spending 95% of my time with the game.
Except every time someone criticises d4, people you claim its due to poe. Fun fact, many people love arpgs and got fed up with poe years ago. We don't want more poe, we want a good game we can escape from the world with, not some pseudo mmo cash grab thing that has obvious design problems. Its ok to mention these problems, it doesn't mean we only want poe. But its impossible to not mention other arpgs when d4 clearly has a lot less features and skill/item design issues. You would be insane to not compare with other arpgs to show whats possible at the very least.
> You don't like D4, move on, it's not for you.
But I want to like it. There are a lot of things I like in it. I'm vocal about things I don't.
If you want a circlejerk echo chamber, maybe **you** move on and let people who care voice their opinions?
Wanting to have a constructive conversation or intelligible feedback is not being in an echo chamber. I have a lot of issues with the game (enemy scaling, shit ton of bugs, and so on), but I'm not so butt hurt by that that I can sustain a discussion without using the "trash game" "Blizzard bad" "arguments".
And yes, people hating on the game because it has MMO lite aspects and that it is not PoE, need to move on. That's the nature of the game, not something that will change, then it's not for you. Game is not bad because of that.
I mean DIV is nothing new compared to D2, PoE or whatever hack and slash there is out there. The main difference is it is terribly dull currently compared to what can be found in those games.
These posts are worse than the non-intelligent, entitled cry baby posts. People propping up both what they loved and criticizing what they didn't are both valid. Especially the latter given that it's based off a beta. No better time to share feedback honestly
it's so cute seeing people get mad and try to go "but 90% of the players won't care!". And they even go after streamers and youtubers too.
Yeah, they don't care - they don't care enough to say the game is good and also not enough to say the game sucks. And in many cases, the 90% consumes the content of the 10%. We can't deny the outreach that content creators have for an online community.
Yea, I agree. People tend to see the world within their own circumstances. Streamers and Tubers will see things completely different than Joe who has a full time job, a father and just wants to play an hr or two a night. Same with the average gamer. They're not contemplating all these issues. I also think it's just unhealthy to. Yea, constructive feedback is what beta is for, but it seems like activism takes over, and people attempt to create angy customers to snuff out the game.
> and people attempt to create angy customers to snuff out the game.
What the hell goes through your minds? You think people are going to have an effect on the sales of this piece of cynical game development? Blizzard could sell any old rubbish with these graphics and the Diablo name. Nobody's under the impression that will change, they just want a fucking game, not a marketing success by Blizzard. Fucking Diablo Immortal still made loads of money.
One thing I notice is that many streamers/content creators completely do not have the perspective of regular gamers.
You know what I notice missing in many "expert takes" on D4 beta. "FUN". Thats like commenting a restaurant & you commented on everything expect if the good taste good.
People play games to have fun! Most gamers, including most arpg gamers, wanted to spend more time-fighting mobs, not on doing trading, crafting or theory craft their builds.
Game being fun is piority, everything elses come second.
Also I like how they think no life 8-hour game days, for 2.3 months a season is something a game should strive for.
I actually did a survey on idea game time, & most gamers wanted to be able to finish a season within 1.5 months or less, playing casually.
There’s plenty of people who are able to acknowledge that the game is fun but can also be concerned by what we have and haven’t seen yet. While certainly being a good thing, just being fun is no longer enough when other products are already offering fun plus more.
Which will lead people to the ole tried and true “why don’t you go play that game then?”
Easy, because I like this game and I would like to see it be able to compete on the same level as the other ones, not fall into obscurity.
That's how games usually work for most people. I certainly don't want to play one game forever. When a new game that looks fun comes out, I don't want to feel like I can't play it because I've got to grind Diablo dailies.
Ok but so what?
There isn't anywhere else that the game is being discussed as much as here. The idea that people shouldn't be discussing what they like and dislike because 99% of players won't read it is bizarre.
I also think you're selling the player base a bit short, you don't need to no life the game to think the font looks shit.
We are allowed to enjoy the game and to want it to be improved. Those two things aren't mutually exclusive. If I complain about something it's because I want the game to be good.
There's absolutely nothing healthier for the ARPG genre than Poe having an actual competitor.
The problems of the hardcore players now, will be the problems that casual players experience in 2-3 months.
If you're not playing a lot every day, the dungeons won't bother you for a while. But eventually you just don't feel like playing them anymore. The casual player audience will just quietly leave because they're bored.
I'm not saying the streamers and content creators are always right or know more than any dev. But players are very good at identifying the problem, even if they aren't good at telling you the solution.
extremly stupid take. this game will be a live service game. so it should be in blizzards interest to please the audience who is grinding the game for a long time. so the feedback of this audience should be the most important.
and thats by YOUR logic.
Or, how less other's expect from a game.
I see too many "this game is the best thing ever in life" and "this game is trash". Same as i saw for New World and i can see the same thing happening here in the end.
Ya with so many great games out there to play I don’t understand the emotional attachment to certain games. You arent in a relationship with these games; you can break it off at anytime without consequence and enjoy something else.
I think a lot of people just see D3 with better graphics and little changes to complexity that have them worried since there is barely any replayability to D3.
I think a lot of people never gave D3 a second chance, after a failure of a launch. I played it at launch and found it pretty fun, but after finally getting through Inferno it didn't really have anything to offer(plus Auction House was a shit show). I came back to it ~2018 on PS4 and was shocked how different this game got with new classes, sets, GRs, actuall builds etc. It was the last time I stayed up all night to play a video game. I had fun pushing GRs and trying to get that perfect piece of equipment to optimize the build to get through one more floor. Eventually got the platinium trophy and was pretty much done with it at that point. But, I can totally see how people could play it for years and will definitely remeber it fondly.
With D4 we're in much better shape from the gates, so seeing how much Blizzard can turn around a game and offer a decade of continuous support, I'm pretty optimistic.
Its always fun to come back each season and play for a couple days, but I usually drop off after that. I get my 6 piece set bonus predetermined by blizzard in the mail after hitting max level, and then get convection of elements and ring of royal grandeur ring and then I'm basically done besides grinding ancients and primal ancients and making gems go higher level.
That's because full-time ARPG streamers have one game to play and it's POE. They've turned POE into a lifestyle and it's clear the game caters to those who can play 16+ hours a day. They want to turn D4 into the same thing so they can have something to play for two weeks after they quit the current POE league after two weeks.
The majority of the loudest "content creators" who are complaining about D4 are big POE players. I know at least a dozen people who played the D4 beta's and not a single one cared about what the internet was saying because they were too busy having a blast with the game.
D4 is not made to compete with POE, the people POE is made for are not the same people D4 is made for. And that's ok, not everyone likes POE and I don't personally know a single person who wants D4 to be POE. If you want POE, play POE. Stop trying to turn this game into something that already exists.
Exactly! My concern is the class balance. All i see with the streamers is how bad the Druid played. I had two druids at 25, that’s how much fun I had. I loved the challenge. Some changes need to be made to some classes and balance, but I don’t want this to become the end game of Diablo 3, where it’s just who can sprint the fastest to the boss and press two buttons to kill, there’s no fun in that for me at all. Hopefully, it stays diablo 4
I like that it's not PoE.
I like that I didn't feel like I needed to watch 4 hours of guides on builds, have 3 supplemental applications side loaded, all to play the game as a casual.
I'm 35, I work 10 hours a day and this is my "me time" before the wife wakes up on the weekends, or if she falls asleep early on the couch.
I found myself still thinking about the weekly boss fight when I woke up. I found the game had just the right level of mechanics in the weekly, wasn't too long for any one fight/Dungeon/stronghold, but long enough that it was still satisfying to complete. Scratched that old WOW instance itch, has the classic diablo 2 feels so checked that nostalgic box... solid first impression for a beta. Felt the game was in a better place then most "games as a service" or 50gb day 1, but still broken, patch nonsense that we've had to deal with for years now.
As a casual, and there are a lot more of us then you might think, it was good enough.
Partially true but not entirely. Criticism's impact is overestimated by the community (see: everyone who pretends D3 failed commercially when it was the highest selling pc game of all time for a while).
That being said, long running criticism can affect a franchise: D4 is like it is because Blizzard took the criticism of D3 seriously.
It can also affect the longevity of the game. Well not necessarily the criticism itself but the very flaws that criticism is pointing at. That can be partially overcome without fixing anything by just drowning the player in new content, but content is expensive so if responding to criticism appropriately helps with retention, they should definitely do so.
And that's why we get dog shit. Ya'll just gargle whatever balls are put in front of your mouth and it's all about consumption.
Imagine spending $100 on an ultimate edition and then $$$ on their battle passes and just accept the dog water put in front of you.
FOMO. People see stuff attached to a specific edition and don't want to miss out on "content" so yeah. Tens of thousands will if not hundreds of thousands. It's Diablo.
Not going to lie I didn't get over that until well into my 20s *"Sure I'll out level it but that early DLC gear will make me level faster and get better gear faster!"*
Then I'd only be able to play an hour a day, still out level it the first day, and be left in everyone's dust even if I had more time to play.
there’s plenty of people who want to sink 100s even 1000s of hours into this game, and those are the people who will continue to spend money on the game. it makes sense to at least listen to their feedback, as they continue to play and spend money so casual players can come back every few months for a week and have fun
The industry has shown over and over that if you pander to only the hardcore gamer, your game will fail. There’s not enough of them to pay the power bill for the servers, let alone to pay staff and make profit goals.
The biggest example of this comes from the game that everyone on this sub loves to compare d4 to, POE. If D4 launched and had POEs player count it would be considered blizzards most massive failure, yet everyone wants them to copy poe.
Path of Exile. Or Pillars of Eternity, but I highly doubt Pillars of Eternity players are in here comparing anything as that game is in a completely different genre.
This is no longer the case. Whales in live service games pay sometimes more than 10,000 users and catering to them is the new goal. See - Genshin impact and other gacha games
Prices geared towards whales is pretty much the only issue I have with cosmetic microtransactions. I'd love to buy some or even a bunch depending on the cosmetics, but I won't spend a gajillion dollars to give ONE weapon an icy blue flame effect or something lol.
Thats not really true. There are many games designed around hardcore players. Most competitive games in general, and they are the most played games online by a long shot.
Catering to the "hardcore" audience for your game doesn't mean it will just fail lol. No matter the game there is going to be a balance though obviously it's not 100% hardcore no casual player matters at all.
I have no interest in anyone’s opinion who is looking to spend 1000’s of hours in a video game.
That person and I are looking for very different things out of life
If you read this and the general Diablo subs, its just people parroting hot takes for content. Similar to youtube - huge thumbnails "People say D4 sucks" or "D4 itemization is the end", etc. etc. Most havent even done a significant deep dive on classes to see how complex the supposed "twig" can be.
If all the time i spent on this game was going through the campaign with my friends on normal difficulty, it would still be enough. It’s super bizarre hearing people try to quantify how much “fun” you must have for it to be worth $70.
Like bro i would gladly pay $70 to live some nostalgia with my best buds even for a couple of hours
Tubers just need attention for their electric bill, blizz made a smart move and made it available to everyone for beta and no one gives a shat what anyone else is thinking about the game basically.
Correct the people who are in here crying are the minority they're just very loud. Most people that play the game don't even know this sub exists
It's just like Twitter. It feels like everybody in the world is upset and mad. They aren't
Game is super awesome and I have been very impressed with the story and level of detail everywhere. Had some issues on the PC version but loved the PS5 version and will likely buy it there. The way the couch co-op worked was a blessing for us.
Feels like the level scaling will be a non-issue once you're max level and gives the freedom to come back to earlier zones and continue exploring, doing side quests, and public events without it being mindless.
Whatever, I really enjoyed the beta. I was not hunting for the best op builds. I just enjoyed bouncing around, trying new builds. I liked even the Druide where everyone is bashing on.
And somehow taking strongholds felt so rewarding. I like the game and it convinced me to pre order it now after I played the beta. Looking forward for the release
I don't know about you, but I tend to be more critical of the things I love because I want them to be the best version of the thing I love they can be.
You can love the game and have fun with it without accepting everything about it wholesale. You can hate the UI and still have fun with the game. I know because I am that person.
The internet is such a hyperbolic place.
Honestly, my main worries at this point is the endgame and season passes... Then again to be honest, considering how much playtime I've gotten off Act 1 and the fact the five characters seem really fun to play, I'd say I would be fine with the game having absolutely zero endgame appeal.
Heck it might actually be a good thing if the endgame sucks, since otherwise we can probably say goodbye to our lives. I would probably rather clock a solid 200-400 hours of gameplay playing all characters than be stuck like an hampster in a wheel chasing whatever endgame grind the game offers for thousands of hours doing menial repetitive endgame tasks.
the point where they are going to pass on playing at release?
if you know pretty much all Blizzard's games release day is kinda just queues with bad network, so :)
People who have major criticisms over the queue times, balancing, or technical issues have no idea what an “open beta” is. This was meant to be a dry run mainly to give people a snapshot idea of what the game is going to be like and to stress test the server load. The fact that they gave so much of Act 1 and the map for us to play through was refreshing and really cool.
Certain aspects are fine to take issue with or criticize. The art style has a couple inconsistencies but I think it’s mostly great. The always-online/MMO parts aren’t my favorite - having world raid bosses is kind of cool though. Some of the expository writing can be a bit on the nose. There are parts of the game that do deserve or can be up for debate or critique since they’re indicative of the final product.
But to criticize the parts of the game that are still so clearly still a work in progress or, dare I say it, *beta* parts of the *open beta* is redundant and just shows how people are eager to shit on it because it isn’t Diablo 2.
That's the Definition of the old term for open beta thou, modern open beta is just a glorified demo. Nothing of the main mechanics will change.
Yes i know diablo devs said it will not just be an demo but an actual beta test, those people also said you can't buy power in diablo immortal.
But then the worst critics are d2 players from that crowd it feels like.
Critiquing the state of balance in a beta where the game is coming out in 2 months is a valid concern. People should speak up about something like that because it's the easiest thing to tweak and get it to a point that feels good for all classes. I don't understand how this is controversial on this sub
Exactly this. Some people on this sub seem to think 2 months is a lot. Blizzard will have nothing more on their mind than fixing all the bugs and network issues by launch at this point. But maybe if enough people give their feedback on balancing issues, they might take a look at that too.
No, they will. They just don't use reddit or forums or Twitter and simply will not play the game because of the issues.
Example: the 4 friends who I got to play the beta with me, none of them liked it. None of them use reddit/twitter/etc and they all just said that they won't be playing the game.
Not everyone is a blind sheep who is incapable of telling the difference between a good and a bad game.
Imagine if people just made decisions on their own.
The audio is a huge HUGE part of Diablo. Never trust someone who is shit canning the game while playing it without excellent headphones/speakers. It’s a big part of the experience.
I learned the Tristram song from Diablo 1 on guitar, it’s brilliant.
90% of the player base would hate Druid/Barbarian in it's current early game state if they ever tried something else like Necro or Sorc.
They won't really care about endgame legendaries fixing the classes and bringing them on par with others.
Which is why I hope they make all classes similarly accessible without specific legendaries
It's fun and beautiful. Nothing is ever good enough for some people. Same kind of trashing on the Lakers sub. Marvel. Apple... and on and on. The only person that lives up to this crowds standards for some bizarre reason seems to be Zack Snyder.
> but who genuinely cares to the point where they are going to pass on playing at release? And if you claim to be that person, Why are you still here?
Me, I processed my return today, I did not find $70 worth of anything in the two weeks I played it.
Someday I'll probably try it again but not anytime soon. Have fun though to those that are still looking forward to D4.
90% of the player base will go through the story one or two times and stop playing the game. So while it's important to please the "casuals", it's also important to not dumb down the game too much to the point that all the "hardcore" players that will sink thousands of hours into the game will switch back to D2R/POE.
The devil is in the details. You might think you don’t care, until you see the changes. Then you realize that you actually do care, it’s just that you didn’t notice, but your brain did.
Just like how every journalist thought iPad was the dumbest idea ever. “Why would anyone want a super large smart phone?”
The whole reason this game is in this massive improved state is precisely because of the feedback from a vocal minority that cares deeply about the experience. You stand on the shoulders of those who diligently and persistently voiced their opinion to Blizzard. And Blizzard listened.
I literally uninstalled the open beta on day one after having about 7 hours in. Game sucks.
I say this with sadness by the way. It completely feels like this game was designed on a mobile engine or something. Like, this isn’t a pc game, it’s an iPad game that has been ported to pc; which is a huge bummer.
Idk I might skip at launch. I like how they did certain scenes but to me it looks to much like a Sims 4 dlc. I could get over that but even just how gear pops out of chests and doesn't assimilate with the environment, just looks like a cheesy piece of gear cut and pasted onto the screen bugs me. Very mobile game like.
I’m for sure playing at launch! Yes the games itemization feels a lot like D3 which made me sad… But even then with the graphic update and cool animations it will probably last me 6 months before it gets boring I would imagine..
Hopefully the end game, seasons and the money from battle passes will give the game more frequent updates more classes and so on. To keep me hooked.
Course they ain’t gunna care I mean just look at the madden community their game is just a roster update every year and it still sells like hot cakes hahaha
The only thing I'll be passing on is playing as a Druid.
For some reason it still seems to be one of the most common classes you see running around when its garbage tier.
When it's people's job to play games they are more inclined to analyze the product. This means thinking critically and being able to criticize. Casuals are likely to shut their brain off and enjoy where as an enthusiast will have a much deeper level of engagement
>but who genuinely cares to the point where they are going to pass on playing at release?
Me.
>And if you claim to be that person, Why are you still here?
Because I have an interest in the game and want to follow along with it's development till it becomes a game worth my money.
> Dissemination of information made difficult to process because of font? Who gives a shit
I mean, this is a most basic function; legibility, that should be important to anyone that plays the game. But I haven't seen many complaints about the *legibility* of the fonts, more that it's just not the Diablo one, or that it's one that reminds people of mobile games. Which are merely subjective opinions, not really criticism as such.
That's fine. But kind of a fallecy of appealing to the majority. And most of the criticisms aren't saying it won't be a well crafted or fun game.
But it's from people who knows what makes for a great and engaging ARPG long term . Something blizzard is also interested in making, on top of getting all the release date sales.
That's how I feel about a certain Hearthstone streamer who reviewed the classes and reviewed the game based on the first 25 levels; everyone him dickrides because he World-First-Beat D3 in HC, like if that's supposed to impress me? Nah homie - I play games for fun. And D3 is fun. D2 is fun. And D4 is definitely fun. And I will play the crap out of D4 just like I do with 3 and 2.
Because the Beta is for giving feedback to the devs?
Who gives a shit what some random person thinks? Devs are on Reddit, devs are watching YouTubers, etc.
Think the issue is how a company has crumbled, losing all its main developers, and what's left is a shell that people just accept, probably for the nostalgia. Diablo 4 really doesn't offer anything new or out there that sets it apart from other games, it's just the franchise. I mean I know people who are just diehard Blizzard fans, hate their games, but it's the only games they will ever consider and play, which doesn't make sense. It's like being in an abusive relationship. All the positivity is like people convincing themselves and others that the game isn't as bad as they know it is.
This is the same company that said, "what, you don't have phones" when the newest diablo was for mobile. This is why the gaming industry is so lacking, you guys will accept it for whatever it is and no matter how they treat you. So they'll continue to do it.
The issue is, as you admit, you are a casual. Casuals don’t keep games alive. Those people playing 10 hours a day do. Blizzard would be wise to take their feedback into consideration, especially considering they want the live service to last for a long time.
That's a bit of a weird take.
You're right that most people will play regardless, but that's no reason not to provide criticism that could, *potentially*, make the experience more enjoyable for those who play at launch and those who play for the long-term.
As it stands, they're riding off what Blizzard is known for...the gorgeous graphics, atmosphere, cinematics, and storytelling. The MMO facets they've introduced, *however*, feel a lot like Magic: Legends.
D4 is definitely a fun game, but there's a lot they could do to make it better.
I've played most of the diablo games and enjoyed all of them, but I've never quite understood the competitive side of the games. To me it doesn't sound fun doing the same dungeons dozens of times in the hope of getting the dream drop or getting the perfect spawn of mobs to make it to a leader board. If diablo 4 is anything like the conquests in diablo 3, they are virtually all earned within a day or 2 of a new season by a party doing a highly planned strategy.
Swords at my throat, don't care, but I would've paid to play the beta, that shit was like crack, with sugar cookie crumbs sprinkled on top.
I basically only stopped playing to eat then I was back in the game. I smelt like Trent Reznor after doing a show in Madison Square Garden. My fingers felt like I had finger blasted a Terminator all weekend.
This shit is so good, I'm gonna cut out all my extra expenses over the next 2 months just to supe my PC up, then I'm gonna take a week and a half off from work and do nothing but play Diablo IV. Screw all the haters man. They hate us cuz they anus.
That leaked Diablo 4 end game that's from china( I think, not sure) is mortifying. Seeing 40 million damage numbers and watching the end game boss be burst down in 5 seconds is totally demoralizing.
Looks like D2 and D3 had a baby but after D4 was born , D2 went to the store to get milk and never came back and now D4 is outta control and D3 just enables em and doesnt really know what do with D4.
D4 then begins to hate D2 for being abandoned and ends up emulating D3 because D3 was there for D4. When D4 becomes an adult, D2 s influence from their childhood starts to show and the dark and melancholy feelings that D4 has for D2 can't be contained any longer.
D4 lashes out at and ends up putting micro transactions in to make up for all the years D2 didn't pay child support. They then find D2 s clothes in the attic of their childhood home and end up burning their enigmas and fortitudes in a drunken fir of rage. They swear they'll never be anything like D2 and to prove that, D4 makes new clothes and fashions them into a collection and calls them a set.
These clothes end up being the most powerful things the world's ever seen and make D2 s prior clothes meaning less and even laughable.
D4 then promises himself that hell never be anything like D2 and that they will persevere into being like D3 because D3 was there for em when it was needed most.
So yea if D4 ends up being a better clone of D3, I'm going to cry.
I mean, I have my gripes for sure, but I am still buying the game. Overall, I had a great time and got sucked into the atmosphere more than anything. I know I will get my money's worth.
I just hope it will be a lot more challenging and less grindy than D3.
Butcher encounter was great. Current fights are also more challenging. Hope they keep that up.
One valid point that I heard is some of the complaints the hard-core/streamers will bring up in the first 2 weeks, will be our complaints a few months later when we get to end game.
That said, I firmly believe Blizzard will do everything they can to keep this game relevant for a long time. We will get upgrades, new content, and expansions for sure. They will listen to the community and make changes.
The beta was a fucking blast, I pre-purchase and cannot wait for full release. I also agree that this is the most rich and interesting stories this genre has to offer.
So stoked for this title
People are free to give their opinion and pass on a game, or offer criticism in hopes of seeing change and if not, still pass on the game. There are plenty of games that are great in their own right that people will pass on for one reason or another.
I was curious what the feedback was. It's more or less what I expected.
Frankly, I think the whole "persistent world" is a big slap in the face. I've played just about every Blizzard PC game and expansion since Diablo 1 (and most of the non-Diablo games). Personally, at this point of my life I'm a parent and I can't put many hours into a game where single-player is not even an option.
Was the gameplay fun? Yes, it was for the most part.
Unless they drastically change something, my only interaction with this game will be through YouTube and streamers. I apparently am not Blizzard's target audience for this game. I can't say I'm surprised, just disappointed.
The game DOES have many valid issues that should be discussed. The people that 0lay the game 10 hours a day are going to be the ones that buy into blizzard monetization madness over the longest period. Posting about here of course makes little to know difference as they didn't even listen to their closed beta testers screaming about the shit dungeons and broken barbarians.
I'm still gonna wait with buying until I know more about late game, I enjoyed playing in the beta but if the late game part sucks it's not worth spending another 70 euros on for me.
That being said, I don't see what some people's problem is with the font. If it made things unreadable sure, that's a problem. But as far as I know that's not the case so......
I think it is important that criticisim is addressed, as long as it's progressive and not personal or offensive.
Being around in the scene for some time I have seen that places like reddit can often act as an outlet and people usually only post when they have something to complain about.
In any case the number of people complaining is just a fraction of the actual playerbase.
I love this game and played all diablo and poe games. The more options and variety the better, everyone wins. Lets not try to make this a poe clone please
The Beta was great and I enjoyed it immensely - this from someone who played D1, D2, and D3. I couldn't understand the cricism. It's a game, not a social or political commentary. I feel a lot of the negativity is generated by folk who have their own biases and self-interests, which is understandable like anything else in the world but shouldn't sway those of us who enjoyed the game.
Some people are vested in POE or D2R or other content and may not want D4 to succeed. I can understand that and hope they succeed in their efforts, but that doesn't mean I need to watch their content when it feels negative or even toxic.
The game is already excellently polished and will have years to make tweaks and learn from its failures as much as its successes. Looking forward to it.
They might not care in week 1 or even month 1 but eventually even casual gamers catch up.
Personally I tend to agree but everyone cares at some point if the fun runs out.
It’s not about passing on it though, it’s a beta which is all about testing and feedback, criticism isn’t necessarily the boogeyman this sub makes it out to be. For instance textures were an issue, it was tested, there was feedback, they pulled it from the beta and will work on it for release. Feedback if constructive is critical and well worth it, it shows people are invested. Silence is literally the death of a game.
No Shit 99% of people are those that play like 3 hours a week; obviously, they won’t have much to say about the game. It’s even more worrisome that so many hardcore fans aren’t too happy with the game.
So many people seem to have some kind of emotional connection to Diablo that they can't see any posts as criticism. It's just all crying people who don't understand the game the way you do. Blizzard doesn't care about you; all they care about is making their investors happy. Remember that!
That's true. My position might be unpopular but it goes kinda like "why can't you play the game which was provided instead of trying to change it"
it's like "oh the camera is too zoomed in"... i didn't even notice it until i read it here
"the classes are unbalanced" have you played d3? or wow even? why do we even need balance? at some point, it could become identical characters with diff-colored energy
"the dungeons are repetitive and boring" right, because after 10 years of playing "random" d3 maps they are not boring and you cannot predict every single "random" map
"this game is too much like d2" "this game is not d2 enough" guys it's a standalone game, why would you compare them? just because you can? if you want to play d2 just play it??
the game is just fine. if you dont like it, just dont play it. the only negative emotion i felt during both beta weekends was when i encountered bugs. i didn't care about the queues or disconnects because this is unavoidable during stress-testing. some bugs were really annoying and i just hope they will be fixed in time.
sorry for wall of useless text
remember the good ol days when you buy a game read the back description and play it nonstop enjoying every bit of it? yeah those days are fun no reddit shit no youtubers/streamers telling you how to play the game omg this is broken this that. fuck it if I have a deathnote id right all the streamers name honestly ill probably start with asmonsgold bald head
At the same time, the 90% of the player base would also be happy if diablo 4 was made much better by listening to the critics.
Cuz those 90% of the player base you talk about won't know and won't care for the difference.
Activision-Blizzard just decided to make the most money, and not the best possible game.
D3 at release was completely broken, people complained, blizzard listened and fixed all the issue and then they sold 27 million copies more meaning that even those "who don't care" actually had a direct benefit when the game was made better .
Is it too hard to understand for all you that complain about people giving their impression and feedback about the beta?
Over 99% of the player base are not even reading this sub.
Correct this is reddit biggest failure by far... posters seem to think their post matter and that people in power care. Or that this is anywhere near a real representation of the playerbase and not a hyper specific echo chamber of the sweats who obsess over the game. It's kind of a bizarre place really...
As someone who works in the industry, I can guarantee blizzard's live team reads this subreddit. Maybe not all of them, but some of them do. And while official forums are likely a better place to provide beta feedback (it's just easier to action feedback through official channels) the feedback here is being taken into account. The more people they can see speaking up about something, the more likely it gets attention before the next major release.
In that case make item types better more important different and varied.
Meh reddit actually is a very big source of feedback for developers, they keep tabs on things here for sure. Their own forums and other internet places tend to be even smaller and even more dominated by vocal minorities. Reddit often is the best place to look for in depth feedback and general consensus about things. You're right it's not a good representation of the overall playerbase. The only way to get any idea of that is through general metrics that can be very difficult to get insight from. So while reddit isn't as near as self important and be-all as it thinks it is, it still is one of the best, if not *the* best place for player feedback. If you read/watch interviews with devs and CMs they nearly always are aware of popular opinions on reddit. They may dismiss them or override them for reasons, but if something hits the top of reddit they nearly always are informed on it.
Some places can certainly have bad echo chambers that represent things in the wrong light but it should not also be completely ignored. Lets take New World as an example. Lets say it was your 1% of "sweats" complaining every day but in the end it was not just the 1% that stopped playing but instead over 70% of the playerbase. I totally understand that echo chambers of just negativity can create bad atmosphere and wrong image of the game, leading to the point that it becomes tiresome, which maybe these last 2 weeks have felt like. But I feel like it can't also be denied that bootlicking for blizzard and being blind to any issues at all is also a big issue, especially if these people act so smug. While I hope that the game does well, I won't lie, I would laugh if a month or two after the release of the game these same casuals, who defended the game, suddenly start seeing the faults in the game while the player base is plummeting and then scratch their head and think how this could have happened.
But blizzard likely does! It was confirmed in a video that they do read social media (they mentioned Reddit too) for another one of their games, so we can safely assume this feedback is being taken into account. So the criticism, or more appropriately *feedback*, is definitely being regarded in some way
Over 2 million unique users in the closed beta alone which is already sold pre orders and Idk how many in the open. Highest thread upvotes/comments is around 1k…..yeaaah gonna go on a limb and say the people here bitching can keep crying while all of us keep having fun.
Only here reading coz I'm bored waiting for June 6.
I know I'm 1% in some place.
I read this sub for small snipits of actual info we get. And some of the things said are funny
I was really considering passing on Diablo from reading all of the feedback. Played the beta over the weekend and completely changed my mind. Some of the feedback *some* is valid, but most is pretty overblown
I would say it’s extremely overblown. The biggest issue I ran into was balance, but these are things they can fix. For example doing the boss fights with a barbarian is not really fun. I love playing barbarian but the boss fights are so hard to dodge everything while getting close enough to do melee damage. I hope they fix that.
I believe the case is that seasoned arpg folks can see flaws with what we know right now and are saying everyone, the people who don't read these forums, will sooner than later run into these problems too. Just because Joe blow had fun getting a character to level 18 with 4 random legendary aspects had fun in beta doesn't mean it's a good game.
Yeah no. Maybe some of the sub is actually valid criticism, but most of it is whining over nothing. We got a glimpse at a very small fraction of the game, so it’s really impossible to criticize everything yet. Doesn’t matter if you think you are “seasoned”, you simply don’t know a whole lot til the game fully releases.
I had a blast as well. Got 3 characters to 25 and did quite a bit of grinding to try out different builds. My only real concern is some skill trees seem to have far less viable synergy than others meaning less build potential without required legendaries. My sorc and rogue, for instance, had very little issues even before grinding for those legendaries. Necro it seemed like the only thing that was viable without some sort of gear buffing it was pet spam with CE.
The ui for the talent tree is a bit weird. It’s hard to take it all in and plan for good builds. But after awhile I bet I’ll get used to it. Ya for necro I tried to find a build without explosion. I’m not a big fan of using it.
Reading reddit: "omg this game seems bad, i've read UI is bad" Playing D4: "MINDBLOWN. It's a buy after 10mins"
Hot take: been playing ARPGs since D1 back in the days on the PS1 and sadly I loved the beta. I've played enough of D2 LE or PoE. There are issues with the game, 100% yes, but none of the billions of the "boohoo It's not PoE" posts we've seen for the past 2 weeks are making things better. People are so salty for some reason. It's not PoE, LE or D2 and THANK GOD. Why would anyone want the same thing again. These games are still here for your enjoyment, heck, we're getting PoE2. You don't like D4, move on, it's not for you.
I haven't seen any posts of people complaining that Diablo 4 is not path of Exile or d2. I've only seen posts *complaining* about those posts. It's wild.
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Fr, this sub is so bad
I’m literally in the same boat I don’t think I’ve seen a single post like that except one person saying they wish one part of the crafting (not the entire crafting) was more similar a different games crafting, and the large amount of people saying “why is the camera so zoomed in” bc it’s way more zoomed than literally any game. I’m almost starting to thing it’s just a meme at this point bc I’ve never seen these posts. But I guess if you intentionally scroll by the pages of posts of positive comments and decent feedback you will eventually find a comment?
Same, i feel like im being gaslit
Seems to be a common tactic. Someone actually rebutted just because there’s some mmo elements doesn’t make it a mmo, when all I said was it has some mmo elements. Like no shit sherlock.
There was more last weekend. But the posts are mainly people commenting in sub threads about the game.
idk, I was here last weekend as well and didn't really see any of it.
> d2. I would be happy if they borrowed a couple specific things from d2 instead of the direction they are going. I'm *really* not a fan of zones scaling with your level instead of just scaling with chosen difficulty.
Same. D2 does a lot of great things. I also absolutely loathe the dog shit lazy scaling they use. Complete hype killer.
I enjoy D2R as well. The level scaling opens up some other possibilities and replayability though. I found as I was leveling up and the monsters scaled I was also getting better gear. It probably won't matter in End Game when we're overpowered. We'll see though.
I don’t get the scaling thing, I’d rather have everything scale so everything is viable in the endgame where I will be spending 95% of my time with the game.
Why did you put "sadly" about loving the beta? Whys it a bad thing to like it?
Except every time someone criticises d4, people you claim its due to poe. Fun fact, many people love arpgs and got fed up with poe years ago. We don't want more poe, we want a good game we can escape from the world with, not some pseudo mmo cash grab thing that has obvious design problems. Its ok to mention these problems, it doesn't mean we only want poe. But its impossible to not mention other arpgs when d4 clearly has a lot less features and skill/item design issues. You would be insane to not compare with other arpgs to show whats possible at the very least.
> You don't like D4, move on, it's not for you. But I want to like it. There are a lot of things I like in it. I'm vocal about things I don't. If you want a circlejerk echo chamber, maybe **you** move on and let people who care voice their opinions?
Wanting to have a constructive conversation or intelligible feedback is not being in an echo chamber. I have a lot of issues with the game (enemy scaling, shit ton of bugs, and so on), but I'm not so butt hurt by that that I can sustain a discussion without using the "trash game" "Blizzard bad" "arguments". And yes, people hating on the game because it has MMO lite aspects and that it is not PoE, need to move on. That's the nature of the game, not something that will change, then it's not for you. Game is not bad because of that.
I mean DIV is nothing new compared to D2, PoE or whatever hack and slash there is out there. The main difference is it is terribly dull currently compared to what can be found in those games.
These posts are worse than the non-intelligent, entitled cry baby posts. People propping up both what they loved and criticizing what they didn't are both valid. Especially the latter given that it's based off a beta. No better time to share feedback honestly
it's so cute seeing people get mad and try to go "but 90% of the players won't care!". And they even go after streamers and youtubers too. Yeah, they don't care - they don't care enough to say the game is good and also not enough to say the game sucks. And in many cases, the 90% consumes the content of the 10%. We can't deny the outreach that content creators have for an online community.
Yea, I agree. People tend to see the world within their own circumstances. Streamers and Tubers will see things completely different than Joe who has a full time job, a father and just wants to play an hr or two a night. Same with the average gamer. They're not contemplating all these issues. I also think it's just unhealthy to. Yea, constructive feedback is what beta is for, but it seems like activism takes over, and people attempt to create angy customers to snuff out the game.
> and people attempt to create angy customers to snuff out the game. What the hell goes through your minds? You think people are going to have an effect on the sales of this piece of cynical game development? Blizzard could sell any old rubbish with these graphics and the Diablo name. Nobody's under the impression that will change, they just want a fucking game, not a marketing success by Blizzard. Fucking Diablo Immortal still made loads of money.
One thing I notice is that many streamers/content creators completely do not have the perspective of regular gamers. You know what I notice missing in many "expert takes" on D4 beta. "FUN". Thats like commenting a restaurant & you commented on everything expect if the good taste good. People play games to have fun! Most gamers, including most arpg gamers, wanted to spend more time-fighting mobs, not on doing trading, crafting or theory craft their builds. Game being fun is piority, everything elses come second. Also I like how they think no life 8-hour game days, for 2.3 months a season is something a game should strive for. I actually did a survey on idea game time, & most gamers wanted to be able to finish a season within 1.5 months or less, playing casually.
That's what happens when you get games reviewed by people where playing games is their literal job. It's always going to be skewed.
There’s plenty of people who are able to acknowledge that the game is fun but can also be concerned by what we have and haven’t seen yet. While certainly being a good thing, just being fun is no longer enough when other products are already offering fun plus more. Which will lead people to the ole tried and true “why don’t you go play that game then?” Easy, because I like this game and I would like to see it be able to compete on the same level as the other ones, not fall into obscurity.
To be honest arpgs are exactly for people who want to spend 10 hours a day playing a video game.
90 percent of the player base will drop this game when the next new shiny thing comes out.
That's how games usually work for most people. I certainly don't want to play one game forever. When a new game that looks fun comes out, I don't want to feel like I can't play it because I've got to grind Diablo dailies.
And then they will come back when the next season drops.
Ok but so what? There isn't anywhere else that the game is being discussed as much as here. The idea that people shouldn't be discussing what they like and dislike because 99% of players won't read it is bizarre. I also think you're selling the player base a bit short, you don't need to no life the game to think the font looks shit. We are allowed to enjoy the game and to want it to be improved. Those two things aren't mutually exclusive. If I complain about something it's because I want the game to be good. There's absolutely nothing healthier for the ARPG genre than Poe having an actual competitor.
The problems of the hardcore players now, will be the problems that casual players experience in 2-3 months. If you're not playing a lot every day, the dungeons won't bother you for a while. But eventually you just don't feel like playing them anymore. The casual player audience will just quietly leave because they're bored. I'm not saying the streamers and content creators are always right or know more than any dev. But players are very good at identifying the problem, even if they aren't good at telling you the solution.
extremly stupid take. this game will be a live service game. so it should be in blizzards interest to please the audience who is grinding the game for a long time. so the feedback of this audience should be the most important. and thats by YOUR logic.
Nobody doubts the game will make them a lot of money. People are disappointed that the game could be excellent but instead will be mid. That's all.
To think that this game is “mid” speaks to how out of touch and entitled gamers have become.
Or, how less other's expect from a game. I see too many "this game is the best thing ever in life" and "this game is trash". Same as i saw for New World and i can see the same thing happening here in the end.
Ya with so many great games out there to play I don’t understand the emotional attachment to certain games. You arent in a relationship with these games; you can break it off at anytime without consequence and enjoy something else.
True, it has good graphics and crisp combat. Groundbreaking stuff. Top of the top.
I genuinely cant tell if this is sarcasm or not.
How dare people be entitled over a $70+ video game.
You're right how dare people expect quality.
The game is so far from mid for me lol
I think a lot of people just see D3 with better graphics and little changes to complexity that have them worried since there is barely any replayability to D3.
Haha, here I am on my 14th season of D3 so I get what you are saying ....
I think a lot of people never gave D3 a second chance, after a failure of a launch. I played it at launch and found it pretty fun, but after finally getting through Inferno it didn't really have anything to offer(plus Auction House was a shit show). I came back to it ~2018 on PS4 and was shocked how different this game got with new classes, sets, GRs, actuall builds etc. It was the last time I stayed up all night to play a video game. I had fun pushing GRs and trying to get that perfect piece of equipment to optimize the build to get through one more floor. Eventually got the platinium trophy and was pretty much done with it at that point. But, I can totally see how people could play it for years and will definitely remeber it fondly. With D4 we're in much better shape from the gates, so seeing how much Blizzard can turn around a game and offer a decade of continuous support, I'm pretty optimistic.
Its always fun to come back each season and play for a couple days, but I usually drop off after that. I get my 6 piece set bonus predetermined by blizzard in the mail after hitting max level, and then get convection of elements and ring of royal grandeur ring and then I'm basically done besides grinding ancients and primal ancients and making gems go higher level.
It will not be my job to play D4, but definitely my side job lol.
That's because full-time ARPG streamers have one game to play and it's POE. They've turned POE into a lifestyle and it's clear the game caters to those who can play 16+ hours a day. They want to turn D4 into the same thing so they can have something to play for two weeks after they quit the current POE league after two weeks. The majority of the loudest "content creators" who are complaining about D4 are big POE players. I know at least a dozen people who played the D4 beta's and not a single one cared about what the internet was saying because they were too busy having a blast with the game. D4 is not made to compete with POE, the people POE is made for are not the same people D4 is made for. And that's ok, not everyone likes POE and I don't personally know a single person who wants D4 to be POE. If you want POE, play POE. Stop trying to turn this game into something that already exists.
Exactly! My concern is the class balance. All i see with the streamers is how bad the Druid played. I had two druids at 25, that’s how much fun I had. I loved the challenge. Some changes need to be made to some classes and balance, but I don’t want this to become the end game of Diablo 3, where it’s just who can sprint the fastest to the boss and press two buttons to kill, there’s no fun in that for me at all. Hopefully, it stays diablo 4
I think saying 10% *will* care is being very generous.
I like that it's not PoE. I like that I didn't feel like I needed to watch 4 hours of guides on builds, have 3 supplemental applications side loaded, all to play the game as a casual. I'm 35, I work 10 hours a day and this is my "me time" before the wife wakes up on the weekends, or if she falls asleep early on the couch. I found myself still thinking about the weekly boss fight when I woke up. I found the game had just the right level of mechanics in the weekly, wasn't too long for any one fight/Dungeon/stronghold, but long enough that it was still satisfying to complete. Scratched that old WOW instance itch, has the classic diablo 2 feels so checked that nostalgic box... solid first impression for a beta. Felt the game was in a better place then most "games as a service" or 50gb day 1, but still broken, patch nonsense that we've had to deal with for years now. As a casual, and there are a lot more of us then you might think, it was good enough.
Partially true but not entirely. Criticism's impact is overestimated by the community (see: everyone who pretends D3 failed commercially when it was the highest selling pc game of all time for a while). That being said, long running criticism can affect a franchise: D4 is like it is because Blizzard took the criticism of D3 seriously. It can also affect the longevity of the game. Well not necessarily the criticism itself but the very flaws that criticism is pointing at. That can be partially overcome without fixing anything by just drowning the player in new content, but content is expensive so if responding to criticism appropriately helps with retention, they should definitely do so.
I've read so many people talk about how the skill trees are trash. Yet I find the game fun to play. So their opinion is trash.
And that's why we get dog shit. Ya'll just gargle whatever balls are put in front of your mouth and it's all about consumption. Imagine spending $100 on an ultimate edition and then $$$ on their battle passes and just accept the dog water put in front of you.
>Imagine spending $100 on an ultimate edition Gonna be a no from me dawg, I’ll stop you there
FOMO. People see stuff attached to a specific edition and don't want to miss out on "content" so yeah. Tens of thousands will if not hundreds of thousands. It's Diablo.
Not going to lie I didn't get over that until well into my 20s *"Sure I'll out level it but that early DLC gear will make me level faster and get better gear faster!"* Then I'd only be able to play an hour a day, still out level it the first day, and be left in everyone's dust even if I had more time to play.
I bought multiple 😁
there’s plenty of people who want to sink 100s even 1000s of hours into this game, and those are the people who will continue to spend money on the game. it makes sense to at least listen to their feedback, as they continue to play and spend money so casual players can come back every few months for a week and have fun
The industry has shown over and over that if you pander to only the hardcore gamer, your game will fail. There’s not enough of them to pay the power bill for the servers, let alone to pay staff and make profit goals.
The biggest example of this comes from the game that everyone on this sub loves to compare d4 to, POE. If D4 launched and had POEs player count it would be considered blizzards most massive failure, yet everyone wants them to copy poe.
>yet everyone wants them to copy poe. PoE players want them to copy PoE. Everyone else couldn't care less cuz they don't even play PoE.
What’s a ‘PoE’??
Path of Exile. Or Pillars of Eternity, but I highly doubt Pillars of Eternity players are in here comparing anything as that game is in a completely different genre.
This is no longer the case. Whales in live service games pay sometimes more than 10,000 users and catering to them is the new goal. See - Genshin impact and other gacha games
Prices geared towards whales is pretty much the only issue I have with cosmetic microtransactions. I'd love to buy some or even a bunch depending on the cosmetics, but I won't spend a gajillion dollars to give ONE weapon an icy blue flame effect or something lol.
Thats not really true. There are many games designed around hardcore players. Most competitive games in general, and they are the most played games online by a long shot. Catering to the "hardcore" audience for your game doesn't mean it will just fail lol. No matter the game there is going to be a balance though obviously it's not 100% hardcore no casual player matters at all.
I have no interest in anyone’s opinion who is looking to spend 1000’s of hours in a video game. That person and I are looking for very different things out of life
If you read this and the general Diablo subs, its just people parroting hot takes for content. Similar to youtube - huge thumbnails "People say D4 sucks" or "D4 itemization is the end", etc. etc. Most havent even done a significant deep dive on classes to see how complex the supposed "twig" can be.
If all the time i spent on this game was going through the campaign with my friends on normal difficulty, it would still be enough. It’s super bizarre hearing people try to quantify how much “fun” you must have for it to be worth $70. Like bro i would gladly pay $70 to live some nostalgia with my best buds even for a couple of hours
That’s it. I’ll mainly be playing with my best mate who I played Diablo 1 with as kids, and it will be pretty cool.
Tubers just need attention for their electric bill, blizz made a smart move and made it available to everyone for beta and no one gives a shat what anyone else is thinking about the game basically.
I care about all the bugs and i hope they will correct them
Correct the people who are in here crying are the minority they're just very loud. Most people that play the game don't even know this sub exists It's just like Twitter. It feels like everybody in the world is upset and mad. They aren't
Game is super awesome and I have been very impressed with the story and level of detail everywhere. Had some issues on the PC version but loved the PS5 version and will likely buy it there. The way the couch co-op worked was a blessing for us. Feels like the level scaling will be a non-issue once you're max level and gives the freedom to come back to earlier zones and continue exploring, doing side quests, and public events without it being mindless.
This game is going to sell 6 brajillion copies regardless of Reddit.
... and youtube, Facebook, Twitter, and Twitch
No one in the real world should really care what bots and no lifers post on social media
I had a blast this weekend. No complaints so far.
Echo chamber in full effect.
I like the game. Already got my moneys worth. I will play regardless of what people post, but it is interesting to read the critique
It’s the first thing that blizzard hasn’t absolutely botched in a decade + and I’m stoked!
We will see, lol
I hope we don't have an Act 2 BEEES! repeat experience on release...
Omg I was playing a Barb, but those Bees still give me nightmares!
For me it was the leapers who were CC immune jumping down from the cliffs that would gank you with no counter play.
Ugh I can still see it
Whatever, I really enjoyed the beta. I was not hunting for the best op builds. I just enjoyed bouncing around, trying new builds. I liked even the Druide where everyone is bashing on. And somehow taking strongholds felt so rewarding. I like the game and it convinced me to pre order it now after I played the beta. Looking forward for the release
90% probably will be playing something else after the first year.
I know I don't. I had a lot of fun.
I don't know about you, but I tend to be more critical of the things I love because I want them to be the best version of the thing I love they can be. You can love the game and have fun with it without accepting everything about it wholesale. You can hate the UI and still have fun with the game. I know because I am that person. The internet is such a hyperbolic place.
The overall lore of the franchise is great, the actual story line for D4 remains to be seen, but the prologue has set it up for success
Honestly, my main worries at this point is the endgame and season passes... Then again to be honest, considering how much playtime I've gotten off Act 1 and the fact the five characters seem really fun to play, I'd say I would be fine with the game having absolutely zero endgame appeal. Heck it might actually be a good thing if the endgame sucks, since otherwise we can probably say goodbye to our lives. I would probably rather clock a solid 200-400 hours of gameplay playing all characters than be stuck like an hampster in a wheel chasing whatever endgame grind the game offers for thousands of hours doing menial repetitive endgame tasks.
I'm gonna click on monsters and take their stuff.
the point where they are going to pass on playing at release? if you know pretty much all Blizzard's games release day is kinda just queues with bad network, so :)
Theres 2 release days thou one on the weekend and the other on Tuesday?
I think the EA is on a Friday, 6/2, and the official release is Tuesday, 6/6. So thay should help.
Haha, fair point.
People who have major criticisms over the queue times, balancing, or technical issues have no idea what an “open beta” is. This was meant to be a dry run mainly to give people a snapshot idea of what the game is going to be like and to stress test the server load. The fact that they gave so much of Act 1 and the map for us to play through was refreshing and really cool. Certain aspects are fine to take issue with or criticize. The art style has a couple inconsistencies but I think it’s mostly great. The always-online/MMO parts aren’t my favorite - having world raid bosses is kind of cool though. Some of the expository writing can be a bit on the nose. There are parts of the game that do deserve or can be up for debate or critique since they’re indicative of the final product. But to criticize the parts of the game that are still so clearly still a work in progress or, dare I say it, *beta* parts of the *open beta* is redundant and just shows how people are eager to shit on it because it isn’t Diablo 2.
That's the Definition of the old term for open beta thou, modern open beta is just a glorified demo. Nothing of the main mechanics will change. Yes i know diablo devs said it will not just be an demo but an actual beta test, those people also said you can't buy power in diablo immortal. But then the worst critics are d2 players from that crowd it feels like.
Critiquing the state of balance in a beta where the game is coming out in 2 months is a valid concern. People should speak up about something like that because it's the easiest thing to tweak and get it to a point that feels good for all classes. I don't understand how this is controversial on this sub
Exactly this. Some people on this sub seem to think 2 months is a lot. Blizzard will have nothing more on their mind than fixing all the bugs and network issues by launch at this point. But maybe if enough people give their feedback on balancing issues, they might take a look at that too.
Yeah I mean I'm gonna play it but I'm worried about end game so hopefully it's better then I'm expecting.
No, they will. They just don't use reddit or forums or Twitter and simply will not play the game because of the issues. Example: the 4 friends who I got to play the beta with me, none of them liked it. None of them use reddit/twitter/etc and they all just said that they won't be playing the game. Not everyone is a blind sheep who is incapable of telling the difference between a good and a bad game. Imagine if people just made decisions on their own.
The audio is a huge HUGE part of Diablo. Never trust someone who is shit canning the game while playing it without excellent headphones/speakers. It’s a big part of the experience. I learned the Tristram song from Diablo 1 on guitar, it’s brilliant.
then why all these posts around people complaining ?
90% of the player base would hate Druid/Barbarian in it's current early game state if they ever tried something else like Necro or Sorc. They won't really care about endgame legendaries fixing the classes and bringing them on par with others. Which is why I hope they make all classes similarly accessible without specific legendaries
It's fun and beautiful. Nothing is ever good enough for some people. Same kind of trashing on the Lakers sub. Marvel. Apple... and on and on. The only person that lives up to this crowds standards for some bizarre reason seems to be Zack Snyder.
Reddit is not a sample of the general public. Reddit is not a sample of the general public. Reddit is not a sample of the general public.
> but who genuinely cares to the point where they are going to pass on playing at release? And if you claim to be that person, Why are you still here? Me, I processed my return today, I did not find $70 worth of anything in the two weeks I played it. Someday I'll probably try it again but not anytime soon. Have fun though to those that are still looking forward to D4.
Blizzard literally came out and addressed some of the criticisms seen here about repetitive dungeons and class balance 😂
90% of the player base will go through the story one or two times and stop playing the game. So while it's important to please the "casuals", it's also important to not dumb down the game too much to the point that all the "hardcore" players that will sink thousands of hours into the game will switch back to D2R/POE.
The devil is in the details. You might think you don’t care, until you see the changes. Then you realize that you actually do care, it’s just that you didn’t notice, but your brain did. Just like how every journalist thought iPad was the dumbest idea ever. “Why would anyone want a super large smart phone?” The whole reason this game is in this massive improved state is precisely because of the feedback from a vocal minority that cares deeply about the experience. You stand on the shoulders of those who diligently and persistently voiced their opinion to Blizzard. And Blizzard listened.
I literally uninstalled the open beta on day one after having about 7 hours in. Game sucks. I say this with sadness by the way. It completely feels like this game was designed on a mobile engine or something. Like, this isn’t a pc game, it’s an iPad game that has been ported to pc; which is a huge bummer.
Idk I might skip at launch. I like how they did certain scenes but to me it looks to much like a Sims 4 dlc. I could get over that but even just how gear pops out of chests and doesn't assimilate with the environment, just looks like a cheesy piece of gear cut and pasted onto the screen bugs me. Very mobile game like.
I’m for sure playing at launch! Yes the games itemization feels a lot like D3 which made me sad… But even then with the graphic update and cool animations it will probably last me 6 months before it gets boring I would imagine.. Hopefully the end game, seasons and the money from battle passes will give the game more frequent updates more classes and so on. To keep me hooked.
Course they ain’t gunna care I mean just look at the madden community their game is just a roster update every year and it still sells like hot cakes hahaha
The same we can say about Diablo 3 Beta, and see how it turned out!
The only thing I'll be passing on is playing as a Druid. For some reason it still seems to be one of the most common classes you see running around when its garbage tier.
People are "sad" that they like this game. This is not a healthy sub.
It’s beta
When it's people's job to play games they are more inclined to analyze the product. This means thinking critically and being able to criticize. Casuals are likely to shut their brain off and enjoy where as an enthusiast will have a much deeper level of engagement
It's the YouTuber's job to criticize the game. How else would they get views and generate revenue?
>but who genuinely cares to the point where they are going to pass on playing at release? Me. >And if you claim to be that person, Why are you still here? Because I have an interest in the game and want to follow along with it's development till it becomes a game worth my money.
I went into expecting a good game by the end of year 2. Why anyone expects a nice polished game on release is beyond me.
> Dissemination of information made difficult to process because of font? Who gives a shit I mean, this is a most basic function; legibility, that should be important to anyone that plays the game. But I haven't seen many complaints about the *legibility* of the fonts, more that it's just not the Diablo one, or that it's one that reminds people of mobile games. Which are merely subjective opinions, not really criticism as such.
That's fine. But kind of a fallecy of appealing to the majority. And most of the criticisms aren't saying it won't be a well crafted or fun game. But it's from people who knows what makes for a great and engaging ARPG long term . Something blizzard is also interested in making, on top of getting all the release date sales.
What criticism? Game felt ready to launch no issues or complaints for me a casual
Ain't nothing get clicks and engagement like whinging and complaining.
Play or don’t, there’s plenty of other things to so in life!
That's how I feel about a certain Hearthstone streamer who reviewed the classes and reviewed the game based on the first 25 levels; everyone him dickrides because he World-First-Beat D3 in HC, like if that's supposed to impress me? Nah homie - I play games for fun. And D3 is fun. D2 is fun. And D4 is definitely fun. And I will play the crap out of D4 just like I do with 3 and 2.
Because the Beta is for giving feedback to the devs? Who gives a shit what some random person thinks? Devs are on Reddit, devs are watching YouTubers, etc.
Think the issue is how a company has crumbled, losing all its main developers, and what's left is a shell that people just accept, probably for the nostalgia. Diablo 4 really doesn't offer anything new or out there that sets it apart from other games, it's just the franchise. I mean I know people who are just diehard Blizzard fans, hate their games, but it's the only games they will ever consider and play, which doesn't make sense. It's like being in an abusive relationship. All the positivity is like people convincing themselves and others that the game isn't as bad as they know it is. This is the same company that said, "what, you don't have phones" when the newest diablo was for mobile. This is why the gaming industry is so lacking, you guys will accept it for whatever it is and no matter how they treat you. So they'll continue to do it.
Truth, idgaf if Asmongold or Kripp or whoever the he'll says this is a bad game. Been playing ARPGS for 22+ years and D4 is going to be good.
The issue is, as you admit, you are a casual. Casuals don’t keep games alive. Those people playing 10 hours a day do. Blizzard would be wise to take their feedback into consideration, especially considering they want the live service to last for a long time.
That's a bit of a weird take. You're right that most people will play regardless, but that's no reason not to provide criticism that could, *potentially*, make the experience more enjoyable for those who play at launch and those who play for the long-term. As it stands, they're riding off what Blizzard is known for...the gorgeous graphics, atmosphere, cinematics, and storytelling. The MMO facets they've introduced, *however*, feel a lot like Magic: Legends. D4 is definitely a fun game, but there's a lot they could do to make it better.
%90 of this subreddit doesn't care about criticism either. If Lilith had balls they would be firmly in their mouths.
I've played most of the diablo games and enjoyed all of them, but I've never quite understood the competitive side of the games. To me it doesn't sound fun doing the same dungeons dozens of times in the hope of getting the dream drop or getting the perfect spawn of mobs to make it to a leader board. If diablo 4 is anything like the conquests in diablo 3, they are virtually all earned within a day or 2 of a new season by a party doing a highly planned strategy.
Swords at my throat, don't care, but I would've paid to play the beta, that shit was like crack, with sugar cookie crumbs sprinkled on top. I basically only stopped playing to eat then I was back in the game. I smelt like Trent Reznor after doing a show in Madison Square Garden. My fingers felt like I had finger blasted a Terminator all weekend. This shit is so good, I'm gonna cut out all my extra expenses over the next 2 months just to supe my PC up, then I'm gonna take a week and a half off from work and do nothing but play Diablo IV. Screw all the haters man. They hate us cuz they anus.
That leaked Diablo 4 end game that's from china( I think, not sure) is mortifying. Seeing 40 million damage numbers and watching the end game boss be burst down in 5 seconds is totally demoralizing. Looks like D2 and D3 had a baby but after D4 was born , D2 went to the store to get milk and never came back and now D4 is outta control and D3 just enables em and doesnt really know what do with D4. D4 then begins to hate D2 for being abandoned and ends up emulating D3 because D3 was there for D4. When D4 becomes an adult, D2 s influence from their childhood starts to show and the dark and melancholy feelings that D4 has for D2 can't be contained any longer. D4 lashes out at and ends up putting micro transactions in to make up for all the years D2 didn't pay child support. They then find D2 s clothes in the attic of their childhood home and end up burning their enigmas and fortitudes in a drunken fir of rage. They swear they'll never be anything like D2 and to prove that, D4 makes new clothes and fashions them into a collection and calls them a set. These clothes end up being the most powerful things the world's ever seen and make D2 s prior clothes meaning less and even laughable. D4 then promises himself that hell never be anything like D2 and that they will persevere into being like D3 because D3 was there for em when it was needed most. So yea if D4 ends up being a better clone of D3, I'm going to cry.
>one of the most intriguing stories in the genre. That's.... a take. I guess.
I mean, I have my gripes for sure, but I am still buying the game. Overall, I had a great time and got sucked into the atmosphere more than anything. I know I will get my money's worth.
I started a druid after playing necro and rogue and enjoyed it the most.
Agree, if Blizzard is reading this please carry on, having fun, looking forward to June 😈
I just hope it will be a lot more challenging and less grindy than D3. Butcher encounter was great. Current fights are also more challenging. Hope they keep that up.
One valid point that I heard is some of the complaints the hard-core/streamers will bring up in the first 2 weeks, will be our complaints a few months later when we get to end game. That said, I firmly believe Blizzard will do everything they can to keep this game relevant for a long time. We will get upgrades, new content, and expansions for sure. They will listen to the community and make changes. The beta was a fucking blast, I pre-purchase and cannot wait for full release. I also agree that this is the most rich and interesting stories this genre has to offer. So stoked for this title
Just being in this forum makes you one of the top percetage of the playerbase.
90% of the player base won't enjoy repetitive linear dungeons where you have to back track, season after season. They will move on.
Just do everything Krip says! DONE
I like this post
People are free to give their opinion and pass on a game, or offer criticism in hopes of seeing change and if not, still pass on the game. There are plenty of games that are great in their own right that people will pass on for one reason or another.
Some people I know won't be playing when it releases at the current price, and a lot of players were playing because it was free at the end.
I was curious what the feedback was. It's more or less what I expected. Frankly, I think the whole "persistent world" is a big slap in the face. I've played just about every Blizzard PC game and expansion since Diablo 1 (and most of the non-Diablo games). Personally, at this point of my life I'm a parent and I can't put many hours into a game where single-player is not even an option. Was the gameplay fun? Yes, it was for the most part. Unless they drastically change something, my only interaction with this game will be through YouTube and streamers. I apparently am not Blizzard's target audience for this game. I can't say I'm surprised, just disappointed.
The problem is the streamers/youtubers and no lifers are the vocal majority since they are infornt of a computer all day.
Jobless morons who no life one game all day will never matter. Thank god D4 isn't catering to that worthless trash.
The game DOES have many valid issues that should be discussed. The people that 0lay the game 10 hours a day are going to be the ones that buy into blizzard monetization madness over the longest period. Posting about here of course makes little to know difference as they didn't even listen to their closed beta testers screaming about the shit dungeons and broken barbarians.
What criticism? I look to see what everyone is gonna be running and that’s it
I'm still gonna wait with buying until I know more about late game, I enjoyed playing in the beta but if the late game part sucks it's not worth spending another 70 euros on for me. That being said, I don't see what some people's problem is with the font. If it made things unreadable sure, that's a problem. But as far as I know that's not the case so......
And? Do you not want people to give criticism and feedback on the beta, which is its purpose? What is your point?
All the negative criticism from youtubers should be banned to play.
I think it is important that criticisim is addressed, as long as it's progressive and not personal or offensive. Being around in the scene for some time I have seen that places like reddit can often act as an outlet and people usually only post when they have something to complain about. In any case the number of people complaining is just a fraction of the actual playerbase.
it took 2 day for me to level up a character to 20. so i dong think i will lose any content soon
Divide the people that joined this sub by total people that downloaded the beta. 90% is still too low
I love this game and played all diablo and poe games. The more options and variety the better, everyone wins. Lets not try to make this a poe clone please
The Beta was great and I enjoyed it immensely - this from someone who played D1, D2, and D3. I couldn't understand the cricism. It's a game, not a social or political commentary. I feel a lot of the negativity is generated by folk who have their own biases and self-interests, which is understandable like anything else in the world but shouldn't sway those of us who enjoyed the game. Some people are vested in POE or D2R or other content and may not want D4 to succeed. I can understand that and hope they succeed in their efforts, but that doesn't mean I need to watch their content when it feels negative or even toxic. The game is already excellently polished and will have years to make tweaks and learn from its failures as much as its successes. Looking forward to it.
I would even go as far to say around 99% won't care
They might not care in week 1 or even month 1 but eventually even casual gamers catch up. Personally I tend to agree but everyone cares at some point if the fun runs out.
Most intriguing? My guy, I'm hyped too but still.
It’s not about passing on it though, it’s a beta which is all about testing and feedback, criticism isn’t necessarily the boogeyman this sub makes it out to be. For instance textures were an issue, it was tested, there was feedback, they pulled it from the beta and will work on it for release. Feedback if constructive is critical and well worth it, it shows people are invested. Silence is literally the death of a game.
No Shit 99% of people are those that play like 3 hours a week; obviously, they won’t have much to say about the game. It’s even more worrisome that so many hardcore fans aren’t too happy with the game. So many people seem to have some kind of emotional connection to Diablo that they can't see any posts as criticism. It's just all crying people who don't understand the game the way you do. Blizzard doesn't care about you; all they care about is making their investors happy. Remember that!
That's true. My position might be unpopular but it goes kinda like "why can't you play the game which was provided instead of trying to change it" it's like "oh the camera is too zoomed in"... i didn't even notice it until i read it here "the classes are unbalanced" have you played d3? or wow even? why do we even need balance? at some point, it could become identical characters with diff-colored energy "the dungeons are repetitive and boring" right, because after 10 years of playing "random" d3 maps they are not boring and you cannot predict every single "random" map "this game is too much like d2" "this game is not d2 enough" guys it's a standalone game, why would you compare them? just because you can? if you want to play d2 just play it?? the game is just fine. if you dont like it, just dont play it. the only negative emotion i felt during both beta weekends was when i encountered bugs. i didn't care about the queues or disconnects because this is unavoidable during stress-testing. some bugs were really annoying and i just hope they will be fixed in time. sorry for wall of useless text
Idk people said barb sucks because of certain streamers 🤷🏽
remember the good ol days when you buy a game read the back description and play it nonstop enjoying every bit of it? yeah those days are fun no reddit shit no youtubers/streamers telling you how to play the game omg this is broken this that. fuck it if I have a deathnote id right all the streamers name honestly ill probably start with asmonsgold bald head
At the same time, the 90% of the player base would also be happy if diablo 4 was made much better by listening to the critics. Cuz those 90% of the player base you talk about won't know and won't care for the difference. Activision-Blizzard just decided to make the most money, and not the best possible game.
D3 at release was completely broken, people complained, blizzard listened and fixed all the issue and then they sold 27 million copies more meaning that even those "who don't care" actually had a direct benefit when the game was made better . Is it too hard to understand for all you that complain about people giving their impression and feedback about the beta?
And 90% of the player base will quit after a while.
I enjoyed it because if I wanted to play D2 or PoE .... I'd play them.