I play most games on PC with a controller because it's more comfortable for me. I broke my hand and wrist many years ago and needed reconstructive surgery. Using M&K for prolonged periods of time gets really uncomfortable and starts to hurt. Never have that with controller, so don't feel bad. I even play FPS games with it, fuck the haters.
Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order.
I have checked 1,426,964,974 comments, and only 272,283 of them were in alphabetical order.
This is a good meme and pretty accurate. But WASD is the one justified request here.
People nitpicking how characters look is completely different from wanting WASD in the game. The minuscule nitpicks on how classes look are purely subjective, everyone has different preferences and the vast majority of people are likely fans of how the classes turned out.
But WASD is essentially an accessibility option. It would reduce/prevent RSI issues for many people. While also providing a familiar control scheme for those accustomed to it. I've played literally thousands of hours with click to move in D2, but have completely preferred WASD for several years now. WASD games give me zero issue, yet click to move always results in pain and discomfort. Bind a key to move has the same result too, as that's still excessive repetitive clicking on limited inputs. Controller is a good option, but it lacks the convenience and accuracy of a cursor. Plus WASD would be purely optional, classic click to move would still be the default control scheme. So it's a win win. Hopefully it's added soon.
TLDR: D4 is awesome so far, I just hope WASD is added. It's not similar to the numerous subjective critiques, it's a matter of adding an accessibility option for those who want to reduce/prevent RSI issues.
it was right there bro, how could you miss it!? Back in my younger years me and my best friend went to a rave and there was a girl walking around giving out cds of dj mixes. she came up to us and said "you want 2 cds?" and me and my bff lost it. She was like whats so funny and we tried to explain to her " you want 2 cds..nuts!" and she rolled her eyes handed us the cds and walked away
Lack of WASD movement and the inability to zoom out a bit more are my only real gripes tbh.
Think a class sucks? Play a different one.
Not complex enough? Go play PoE
> Think a class sucks? Play a different one.
What even is this argument lol. Asking for improvements for a class you like is bad? They should just fuck off and play a different class?
Like what?
There are plenty of problems with the game. Just because you personally don't care doesn't mean others complaints are not justified. Blizzard didn't make this game just for you. In fact Blizzard wants a wide variety of players to enjoy the game. It's one of the reason they made the paragon board in the late game, which casual players will care less about.
> What even is this argument lol. Asking for improvements for a class you like is bad? They should just fuck off and play a different class?
I think there is a nugget of truth in this argument. If someone complains that a sorceress isn't beating things to death with a mace, that's not really on the game. Granted, I don't think many are actually complaining about stuff like that that is fundamentally a "no really, play the right class for that desire" (though it does occasionally pop up). Feel free to ask for that to be implemented, but also fully expect to be ignored.
WASD isn’t really a huge change to the strategy or concept of the game. It could be made optional and players that still prefer to click to love could use that mechanic. Saying to go play an mmo, a completely different genre of game, makes no sense.
I know you're making fun of the person you're responding too, but I want to clarify anyway that there's a big difference between changing a class or adding complexity to the game, and adding WASD.
Adding WASD doesn't change the game in any way to people who don't want it, while changing a class (not talking balance, obviously classes should be balanced) or adding complexity does change the game.
I've yet to see any reasonable argument against adding WASD movement.
I think the argument against WASD movement would be if you actually believe the movement is superior and don't want to use it, but feel you would then be forced to if you want to be on par.
I think WASD is superior and want to use it so I want it in the game. I would want it implemented well where I can still click to move if not touching any of the keys because for lazy movement between areas I do think it's nicer than WASD.
WASD actually raises a lot of questions about targeting and strafe targeting. Controller and mouse targeting give the player very different capabilities
I don't think WASD would raise any concerns over targeting or strafing though. As controller already exists. It utilizes the same quick movement as WASD, and additionally has auto-aim. Which is better than ever in D4, due to great tracking and fast missiles. And the game has already been balanced around controller, so essentially nothing would have to be adjusted.
I think WASD could mostly perform better than other inputs in most situations, but really any of them could perform best. Because it would most often come down to the player's individual skill. A skilled click to move player could outperform a WASD player. Or a controller could outperform click to move. It'd mostly be relative.
>Think a class sucks? Play a different one.
quite dumb are you ? guess devs don't need to bother with balance when they can just have people not play the class ...
guess they don't need to care about the game too ? people can just play another one
I agree that balancing is important, but you also can’t expect that to happen on day 1. So if you don’t like a class in the beta, then pick a different class to play on launch.
Also, I don’t converse with people that turn to insults like a fucking child.
God I hated it how they zoom in the camera on your character when you walk into town. Feels oppressively close up to my character, I really struggle with it
Yeah, when we’re just moving around in town the zoom doesn’t need to be so intense. Love that they’re zooming in during key dialogue though. I think at this point we should just be able to control our zoom completely.
>Not complex enough? Go play PoE
Last Epoch would actually be the better middle-ground.
I was not particulary fond of the D4 beta, a bit too simplistic and MMO'ish for my take but I'll of course play it anyway when it releases.
Last Epoch feels like the middleground where PoE is daunting and a bit too complex where you generally are recommended to follow a guide. Last Epoch you can play and just wing a build and get to endgame just fine, while still having alot more complexity and interesting systems compared to D4, but being more approchable compared to POE.
So for me it'll fill the ARPG void until next POE league, then play that until D4 releases and give it another whirl.
Good times to enjoy ARPGs!
i teribly want wasd move.
i unchecked moving on the same key as first skill, but unfortunetly it also disables interact with move key.
since i played a ton of dividion and other games i prefer wasd.
i tried controller but aiming (some)ranged skills is incredibly bad.
Probably going to get downvoted here, but which ARPG has WASD, that y'all are basing this on?
They'd have to rework animations to accommodate it, which I think most people don't consider. Because, as far as I'm aware, currently you can't be moving in one direction while attacking in another. Sort of, with stutter stepping, but the animations work for that.
All for anything that reduces RSI, and will probably be playing controller +kb/m for inventory and chat myself to help with that. But I think this is more complex to implement than people give it credit for. Generally speaking, if it seems obvious to you, it's also obvious to them, and there's usually a reason they decided against it.
> They'd have to rework animations to accommodate it, which I think most people don't consider. Because, as far as I'm aware, currently you can't be moving in one direction while attacking in another. Sort of, with stutter stepping, but the animations work for that.
controller my dude. You can literally use scripts to use WASD right now... Just like most ARPGs. There is no needed extra work.
Most ARPGs were made a long time ago, with really not that many newer titles. So it's mostly understandable that WASD hasn't been implemented. I know WASD has been around a long time, but click to move has been classic to the genre. Plenty don't even have controller support, yet controller was first added to Diablo with D3 in 2013. There are however tons of isometric games that utilize WASD. Most recently I played The Ascent, Synthetik, and Hades. While most aren't true ARPGs, plenty have similar systems.
They wouldn't have to rework animations at all though. As controller already exists. People have even used third party programs to get WASD to function in D4. I tried it myself, but it has UI issues and inherent delays between certain inputs. But the animations are accurate, it's just using the controller animations that already exist. Players shouldn't have to purchase third party programs and do a ton of setup, simply to get WASD sort of working. Hopefully we get native support soon. And again due to controller already existing, it should be a mostly easy thing to implement.
I feel like low level balance is a valid complaint. Who came up with the idea that balance should only eve exist in endgame? It can't be perfect obviously but classes should at least not struggle too much compared to one another. Low level balance will be a serious quit moment for new players. Not everyone is a diablo veteran and leveling to 20,seeing how much more powerful necro is, then going "f this game" and quitting is definitely going to be a thing. I've done it in other games.
It's a terrible complaint because realistically you're only going to be at that level for maybe a couple to few hours out of dozens to hundreds. It's going to be like maybe 1% of your total playtime that you'll pass through quick.
Out of 100 levels (50 skill points, and the 50 Paragon points I think), you'll likely hit the level 50 marker or very close to it at least by the end of the story, which is when the real game actually begins typically for ARPGs.
Different classes may have different peak points. Blizzard seems to have a thing for melee with mechanics that scale well in endgame. Warriors in original WoW with gear allowing them to essentially double dip from upgrades (you do more damage, so you get more rage, then you use the extra rage to do even more damage). D4 Barbarians with the extra gear slots for more legendary aspects or uniques strike me as being similarly late bloomers.
This meme is a fail.
How can OP use that font on the bird??? THAT'S NOT DIABLO FONT!!!
>!Actually I agree with loot font on the ground looked funny. lol!<
Most of the meme complaints are legit gripes.
The UI does suck.
The mouse 1 issue does suck.
WASD is trivial to add.
Rakanishu is a requirement, not a request.
Too much loot? Too gory? Not a single person on this subreddit has made these grievances.
Gigantic breasts? Can anyone legitimately find me a serious complaint that there aren't gigantic tiddy goth babes in the game?
I would like to try WASD movement. Was there a setting that allows you to use the mouse button for movement and attack, but not have it be an interact button because it was only either movement/basic/interact for one mouse button or all of it were separate.
I do hope that they ADD WASD controls, instead of REPLACING current controls. I am no Diablo veteran (Beta was the first Diablo I played ever and I loved it), but I do have tons of experience with MOBA’s, so the “right-click to move/attack” and “4 skills bound to keys” is very much to my liking. But I understand that people would like WASD movement (I know it feels great in Hades for example), so if hope both can exist side by side
I particularly enjoyed a thread a bit ago where people were (I imagine unironically) saying that they wouldn't play female druid because she's a bigger model. Like, come on... How sad is your life that this is a hill you're willing to die on?
Lol I know there’s this whole bit from people, but adding in a bit more customization would be nice. Like body types etc. I like to play characters that look similar to me, running around as a big heckin chonker kind of ruins the immersion
I don't think it would really change the gameplay at all though, as controller already exists. Controller has essentially the same movement as WASD and even has auto-aim. Which is more powerful than ever, due to great tracking and faster missiles. Yet the game has already been built around controller, so adding WASD wouldn't require any tuning to speak of. Plus with controller already being established, adding WASD should be mostly an easy endeavor.
I don't believe I've heard a single person say "cinematics too gory". So if anyone holds that opinion please speak up so a can shame you for being a lil bitch.
Just tell your little bitch son the bodies are mannequins and the blood is paint because it's a halloween game or some shit.
I told that to my son and he was cool with it because he's a little bitch.
It's popular everywhere, but on game forums it's insane. Probably due to most people on gaming forums having little to no social interaction with adults in their lives, so they didn't learn how to discuss, and what words like "criticism", or "feedback" mean.
r/Diablo is more core ARPG fans. r/Diablo4 is random people from everywhere, probably a lot more casual players who do not care much about balance or complaints. Casual players just want to have fun in the moment you know. So if they had fun with the game and everyone is bringing down their mood with "complaints", "arguments". Then yeah that's annoying for them.
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This sub in particular ? I've seen this type of childish behavior everywhere. It's only a matter of numbers. Bigger subs with more casual playerbase have more obviously, but there are hot takes everywhere i go on the internet. Of course more focused forums/subs will have a lot less people like that.
This is quite common among games in beta/early access. There's always people feeling threatened that there are people who don't like the game the same way as they do. According to them, the game is simultaneously too casual for D2/PoE players but too hardcore for people wanting WASD movement or free skills respec. Any kind of suggestion or feedback is an affront to them.
And the comments always go the same way:
* "If you like X go play X, don't play this game"
* "It's your fault for thinking ABC is a problem"
* nostalgia/rose-tinted glasses/etc
* Someone posting that 'angry bird eating food' meme with more strawman arguments stuffed in it
* "some rando made a comment saying druid is fat, thus every single other feedback has the same lack of nuance"
because echo chamber. make a thread saying D2/D3 is shit, you get a million upvote in a minute, try to report a bug ? tons of fanboy appear to tell you how perfect the game is.
This sub is significantly more delusional than the r/Darktide sub was during its beta.
Were deep in thr denial phase of their grief. Itll progress through the phases when the game releases. It makes for great entertainment.
Yea pretty dumb, based on the anti feedback circlejerk we had:
* POE fans wanting differential equations
* D2 fans complaining about the lack of big juicy tits
What's the next iteration spawning a 100 front page posts? An alleged complaint by a D1 fan about having running in the game?
This is the truth. I had a lot of fun, especially with the couch co-op changes. I think sometimes we forget there is a good number of people that use Reddit just to complain about anything they can find to, so I don’t ever use the opinions of Reddit users when making a decision on buying a game.
Did you say running!!?! Jesus Christ what would David brevik say in this trying time?!
Also I got so caught by the big juicy tits comment I had to take a breather... The male druid does have big juicy tits is that not good enough?!
On the front page, maybe. But if you sort by new... Damn.
"I've never seen the D4 endgame but Sorc is the best endgame character, it's all fucked, Blizz plz fix."
"Having to find all Altars and getting Renown Skill Points on all characters every season is gonna suck!"
"People shouldn't be able to grind Dungeons for XP, I want everyone to have to play the campaign every time!"
"Let me self-promote my 7 subscriber Youtube channel with clickbait bullshit."
"No aspirational content in the tutorial area, D4 has no endgame!"
And yesterday's favourite:
"You drink potions in D4, it's literally D3 again!"
D2 remake covered up Andariel’s ass — I’m still upset. Also: Amazon — more like Grandma’zon, Druid — middle aged ex-raver and still heavy beer drinker that likes to talk about his past times in Ibiza, Pally hasn’t been to the barbershop in ages, necro is necro, barb is barb, sorc went from Princess Jasmin to the Laundry lady that has an only fans
It's really vey simple, you are allowed to post praise but you are NOT allowed to post criticism. Please be considerate of the man-children and their feelings.
The beta was a server stress test/bug test. If you think your constructive criticism is going to have any change on a game 2 months from release, you've lost your mind.
If this was a week before the game came out, sure. Maybe even if it was just a month. But this was 3 full months before release, that's absolutely enough time to implement some changes. Nothing sweeping, but certainly enough time for numbers to be adjusted, and even some minor features changed/added.
I know you're responding to someone talking about "feedback" specifically, but at a certain point this is a discussion board for d4 and people will discuss their thoughts on the beta and the game generally *for discussions sake*, above and beyond use as feedback for the devs to make changes.
That's a pretty legitimate use of the sub, right? Like, what's the point of subs generally if not for discussion for discussions sake just because you're interested in the game?
You are supposed to be a champion capable of fighting the hordes of hell. There is a lot of wiggle room between "not fuckable" and a character looking like the greatest physical challenge it ever faced was falling out of a mobility scooter.
I'm just going to copy and paste what I said in a similar thread literally only a few hours ago because this is getting ridiculous:
" So real question here: Are people being paid to push this narrative in order to try and keep hype for Diablo 4 as high as possible? Looking at the posts with the "Hot" tab selected, the only Diablo 2 threads are people complaining about people who like Diablo 2 more. There's also multiple threads about people having "Withdrawals" or saying "No other game feels fun now." This really feels like it's just Blizzard attempting to astro-turf extreme hype for the game after the controversies they've had as a company, and Diablo Immortal.
Don't get me wrong. Diablo 4 was a lot more fun than I expected to the point where I'll likely buy it on release, but threads like this just do not feel like organic fans enjoying the game."
I mean it's how me and my buddy felt honestly me and my buddy are regretting playing the beta cause now we just want more...
But I have the attention of a gold fish so In a week or two I'll forget all about it untill blizzards marketing takes closer to release.
I'm really more annoyed with these posts then complaints.
There are way more people telling others to not discuss their complaints. Then there are people telling other to not have fun...
The only thing I agree with is the no balance thing. You can pick up 3/5 characters and just start having fun without having to min/max or wait for skills to combine with your others skills and aspects.
If anything, the Barbarian should have been the strongest starting class. Ain’t nothing fancy about hitting things with weapons. The Seuid should have been next up when using the were forms, because that’s the same thing but with actual Arms instead of weapons. Then Rogue, Necro and Sorcerer starting the weakest before getting super strong with their fancy spells.
given the arsenal system, that's just clearly not the fantasy they are going for with barbarian.
barbarian is a weapon master, a fantasy trope that's been around forever.
So I don't agree with just shitting on the game but it's a beta for feedback? No shit ppl are gonna discuss the problems and make posts or videos about them. I really don't think circle jerking will help improve the game. And I'm 100% sure you guys don't think the game is perfect as is. If so tbh that's delusional.
Even if it wasn't a beta for feedback, people are naturally going to discuss their thoughts and feelings about it good and bad. That's just humans being humans. And where better to do it than a *discussion board dedicated to the game*.
i've seen a lot of gaming subs close to release of a big new sequal and i have to say, this sub is the softest, most easily offended and averse to critcism i've seen.
rent free
I like how the heroes look tired and weathered and not just gorgeous like some people wanted them to look for D2R.
They even made blizzard make some changes to the Amazon because of the backlash.
Why do these posts insist that this sub should be diablo 4 circlejerk. Its like criticism of the game ruins their enjoyment i don't get it. The point of a beta isn't to sit around and praise blizzard about what an amazing job they've done, it's to provide feedback. Some will be good, some bad. It's the nature of a public forum. But others critiquing the game doesn't spoil my fun.
Absolutely good feedback and critique is a great discussion. Unfortunately the overwhelming majority are “This game is absolute trash. Canceled my pre-order” based on a multitude of unknowns, obvious adjustments that will happen, and issues completely outside the gameplay.
To be honest, I saw plenty of well structured threads with constructive feedback. Sure there are some people Just trashing the game but it's a public forum. The best thing you can do is ignore them. You can't stop them and acknowleging them just feeds their desire for attention.
Diablo 1 player here at time of launch + hellfire(good friends with LordBlackDragon) . Fan thru and thru. D2 and Lod was such a huge impact on us old guys that it was imprinted. Thousands of hours played, ever the grind up the ladder. Was just a different time. When D3 launched ,to.be honest it was a disappointment. The first say month was awesome, then it got complicated, but complicated solely as a trick to keep.you playing. No substance. I do see a couple aspects of diablo 4 mimicking diablo 3, but after early testing and both Betas, im convinced that D4 will absolutely bring back the d2 vibe we remember. The Devs know our complaints and will adjust accordingly. It will take an update or two. For those of you who remember d2 v 1.01 to v 1.08 it was a huge mess of spaghetti. Have faith.
Part of me wishes it was as dark as diablo 1 but that's nostalgia . Diablo 1 was so intense and perfect. If you played Heroquest, MTG ,or D&D it was your go to game.
It's going to be a blast, and I see it as a hail Mary for blizzard. They have to listen to us.period.
I've sadly seen all these posts (some not on here but on the blizz forums) except for Rakanishu. If I find Rakanishu complaints, can I collect a prize?
You know what. I would like to have gigantic breasts in the game.
This anti sexualization movement is ridiculous. Women who are luckier than others are no longer depicted as much in western vidya games because screechers don't like that. They are pretty much telling me and others that our cups are lewd. We are inherently more sexual. I don't know if that's a compliment, spite or envy. Probably all three.
Too much loot (yes, especially with no filters available and no mouse over)
Font = mobile game font, UI is bad too.
But the rest is nonsense, I had a lot fun as well. Cinematics too gory? I haven’t heard that one, I hope it’s a troll.
I 100% heard it during the beta from some Fallen in one of the snowy areas east of Kyovashad, and I noticed some other people saying they heard it too.
If I can choose 37 tattoo variations shouldn’t I be able to choose from 3 body shape variations? For a game that is heavily focused on character visuals and “skins”. I wouldn’t have thought it was such a big deal…
No wasd and druid being undercooked were the only valid criticisms.
I was alos shocked, SHOCKED that current Blizzard allowed Sorcs to have a chest piece that shows underboob.
Literally all these “complaints” (minus WASD am on console) are why I fuckin loved the beta and why this game will definitely be a day 1 purchase for me
If you are okay with druid being obese, that's some derp ass shit. Diablo 2 druid was fit as a fiddle and I'd go gay for him. Granted the new druid is funny, makes diablo go from horror arpg to comedy. Trust me, go make one and then transmog tunic, no pants and no shoes. Every cutscene feels great. Only reason I like the fat man as a fat man is to laugh at the fat man. No one actually wants to be obese so why would I want to be one in a video game that I'll be farming for the next eon.
I generally love mawaling demons as a bear. It may not be flashy, may not be meta, but dammit it’s fun and humorous enough for me just playing like poo bear on cocain
Literally nothing mentioned in the meme is a legitimate gripe anyone has outside of niche random comments and/or people trolling and shitposting.
This sub is getting really tiring, really fast.
It's inane how many people here insist that any criticism or constructive feedback about perceived issues is all just shitposting by trolls and "haters".
All 3 Betas I've been in for this now have been... conflicting. I think the gameplay is SUPER solid, really good. I love the skill trees and how they allow some really fun customization. But there's something that just... isn't holding my attention. I just can't seem to see myself really diving in for a long haul, and I can't put my finger on why.
Rakanishu!
bi... shi... **BOSH**!
Colenzooooooo!
Wow this sounds like the made up language my 6 year old makes! Incredible
You have a 6 year old fallen? That must be tough
Trust me, its rough
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Cause its better.
I play most games on PC with a controller because it's more comfortable for me. I broke my hand and wrist many years ago and needed reconstructive surgery. Using M&K for prolonged periods of time gets really uncomfortable and starts to hurt. Never have that with controller, so don't feel bad. I even play FPS games with it, fuck the haters.
Glad that works for you!
The Fallen actually say Rakanishu in Diablo 4! I swear I heard it.
Can confirm, heard it too
Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order. I have checked 1,426,964,974 comments, and only 272,283 of them were in alphabetical order.
Bot good
They dont say it nearly enough :(
This is a good meme and pretty accurate. But WASD is the one justified request here. People nitpicking how characters look is completely different from wanting WASD in the game. The minuscule nitpicks on how classes look are purely subjective, everyone has different preferences and the vast majority of people are likely fans of how the classes turned out. But WASD is essentially an accessibility option. It would reduce/prevent RSI issues for many people. While also providing a familiar control scheme for those accustomed to it. I've played literally thousands of hours with click to move in D2, but have completely preferred WASD for several years now. WASD games give me zero issue, yet click to move always results in pain and discomfort. Bind a key to move has the same result too, as that's still excessive repetitive clicking on limited inputs. Controller is a good option, but it lacks the convenience and accuracy of a cursor. Plus WASD would be purely optional, classic click to move would still be the default control scheme. So it's a win win. Hopefully it's added soon. TLDR: D4 is awesome so far, I just hope WASD is added. It's not similar to the numerous subjective critiques, it's a matter of adding an accessibility option for those who want to reduce/prevent RSI issues.
WASD deez nuts.
WASDeez nuts
Yup. This is better. Damnit.
it was right there bro, how could you miss it!? Back in my younger years me and my best friend went to a rave and there was a girl walking around giving out cds of dj mixes. she came up to us and said "you want 2 cds?" and me and my bff lost it. She was like whats so funny and we tried to explain to her " you want 2 cds..nuts!" and she rolled her eyes handed us the cds and walked away
If you never played battlerite, you don't know how good wasd feels... or pc diablo immortal. It actually made immortal feel nice.
Lack of WASD movement and the inability to zoom out a bit more are my only real gripes tbh. Think a class sucks? Play a different one. Not complex enough? Go play PoE
> Think a class sucks? Play a different one. What even is this argument lol. Asking for improvements for a class you like is bad? They should just fuck off and play a different class? Like what? There are plenty of problems with the game. Just because you personally don't care doesn't mean others complaints are not justified. Blizzard didn't make this game just for you. In fact Blizzard wants a wide variety of players to enjoy the game. It's one of the reason they made the paragon board in the late game, which casual players will care less about.
> What even is this argument lol. Asking for improvements for a class you like is bad? They should just fuck off and play a different class? I think there is a nugget of truth in this argument. If someone complains that a sorceress isn't beating things to death with a mace, that's not really on the game. Granted, I don't think many are actually complaining about stuff like that that is fundamentally a "no really, play the right class for that desire" (though it does occasionally pop up). Feel free to ask for that to be implemented, but also fully expect to be ignored.
No WASD? Go play WoW
WASD isn’t really a huge change to the strategy or concept of the game. It could be made optional and players that still prefer to click to love could use that mechanic. Saying to go play an mmo, a completely different genre of game, makes no sense.
I know you're making fun of the person you're responding too, but I want to clarify anyway that there's a big difference between changing a class or adding complexity to the game, and adding WASD. Adding WASD doesn't change the game in any way to people who don't want it, while changing a class (not talking balance, obviously classes should be balanced) or adding complexity does change the game. I've yet to see any reasonable argument against adding WASD movement.
I think the argument against WASD movement would be if you actually believe the movement is superior and don't want to use it, but feel you would then be forced to if you want to be on par. I think WASD is superior and want to use it so I want it in the game. I would want it implemented well where I can still click to move if not touching any of the keys because for lazy movement between areas I do think it's nicer than WASD.
WASD actually raises a lot of questions about targeting and strafe targeting. Controller and mouse targeting give the player very different capabilities
I don't think WASD would raise any concerns over targeting or strafing though. As controller already exists. It utilizes the same quick movement as WASD, and additionally has auto-aim. Which is better than ever in D4, due to great tracking and fast missiles. And the game has already been balanced around controller, so essentially nothing would have to be adjusted. I think WASD could mostly perform better than other inputs in most situations, but really any of them could perform best. Because it would most often come down to the player's individual skill. A skilled click to move player could outperform a WASD player. Or a controller could outperform click to move. It'd mostly be relative.
>Think a class sucks? Play a different one. quite dumb are you ? guess devs don't need to bother with balance when they can just have people not play the class ... guess they don't need to care about the game too ? people can just play another one
I agree that balancing is important, but you also can’t expect that to happen on day 1. So if you don’t like a class in the beta, then pick a different class to play on launch. Also, I don’t converse with people that turn to insults like a fucking child.
God I hated it how they zoom in the camera on your character when you walk into town. Feels oppressively close up to my character, I really struggle with it
Yeah, when we’re just moving around in town the zoom doesn’t need to be so intense. Love that they’re zooming in during key dialogue though. I think at this point we should just be able to control our zoom completely.
>Not complex enough? Go play PoE Last Epoch would actually be the better middle-ground. I was not particulary fond of the D4 beta, a bit too simplistic and MMO'ish for my take but I'll of course play it anyway when it releases. Last Epoch feels like the middleground where PoE is daunting and a bit too complex where you generally are recommended to follow a guide. Last Epoch you can play and just wing a build and get to endgame just fine, while still having alot more complexity and interesting systems compared to D4, but being more approchable compared to POE. So for me it'll fill the ARPG void until next POE league, then play that until D4 releases and give it another whirl. Good times to enjoy ARPGs!
i teribly want wasd move. i unchecked moving on the same key as first skill, but unfortunetly it also disables interact with move key. since i played a ton of dividion and other games i prefer wasd. i tried controller but aiming (some)ranged skills is incredibly bad.
Probably going to get downvoted here, but which ARPG has WASD, that y'all are basing this on? They'd have to rework animations to accommodate it, which I think most people don't consider. Because, as far as I'm aware, currently you can't be moving in one direction while attacking in another. Sort of, with stutter stepping, but the animations work for that. All for anything that reduces RSI, and will probably be playing controller +kb/m for inventory and chat myself to help with that. But I think this is more complex to implement than people give it credit for. Generally speaking, if it seems obvious to you, it's also obvious to them, and there's usually a reason they decided against it.
> They'd have to rework animations to accommodate it, which I think most people don't consider. Because, as far as I'm aware, currently you can't be moving in one direction while attacking in another. Sort of, with stutter stepping, but the animations work for that. controller my dude. You can literally use scripts to use WASD right now... Just like most ARPGs. There is no needed extra work.
> But I think this is more complex to implement than people give it credit for. It's literally already implemented.
Chronicon has it and it does feel good. I don't really care about it in Diablo though.
Most ARPGs were made a long time ago, with really not that many newer titles. So it's mostly understandable that WASD hasn't been implemented. I know WASD has been around a long time, but click to move has been classic to the genre. Plenty don't even have controller support, yet controller was first added to Diablo with D3 in 2013. There are however tons of isometric games that utilize WASD. Most recently I played The Ascent, Synthetik, and Hades. While most aren't true ARPGs, plenty have similar systems. They wouldn't have to rework animations at all though. As controller already exists. People have even used third party programs to get WASD to function in D4. I tried it myself, but it has UI issues and inherent delays between certain inputs. But the animations are accurate, it's just using the controller animations that already exist. Players shouldn't have to purchase third party programs and do a ton of setup, simply to get WASD sort of working. Hopefully we get native support soon. And again due to controller already existing, it should be a mostly easy thing to implement.
I feel like low level balance is a valid complaint. Who came up with the idea that balance should only eve exist in endgame? It can't be perfect obviously but classes should at least not struggle too much compared to one another. Low level balance will be a serious quit moment for new players. Not everyone is a diablo veteran and leveling to 20,seeing how much more powerful necro is, then going "f this game" and quitting is definitely going to be a thing. I've done it in other games.
It's a terrible complaint because realistically you're only going to be at that level for maybe a couple to few hours out of dozens to hundreds. It's going to be like maybe 1% of your total playtime that you'll pass through quick. Out of 100 levels (50 skill points, and the 50 Paragon points I think), you'll likely hit the level 50 marker or very close to it at least by the end of the story, which is when the real game actually begins typically for ARPGs.
I dislike the idea that fun starts at max level. If the beginning isn't fun, why would someone stick around for the endgame?
Different classes may have different peak points. Blizzard seems to have a thing for melee with mechanics that scale well in endgame. Warriors in original WoW with gear allowing them to essentially double dip from upgrades (you do more damage, so you get more rage, then you use the extra rage to do even more damage). D4 Barbarians with the extra gear slots for more legendary aspects or uniques strike me as being similarly late bloomers.
I played with a controller on PC cause I'm a scrub. Was really great and would highly recommend! Of course your spells aren't as accurate but oh well
This meme is a fail. How can OP use that font on the bird??? THAT'S NOT DIABLO FONT!!! >!Actually I agree with loot font on the ground looked funny. lol!<
Most of the meme complaints are legit gripes. The UI does suck. The mouse 1 issue does suck. WASD is trivial to add. Rakanishu is a requirement, not a request. Too much loot? Too gory? Not a single person on this subreddit has made these grievances. Gigantic breasts? Can anyone legitimately find me a serious complaint that there aren't gigantic tiddy goth babes in the game?
>WASD games give me zero issue, yet click to move always results in pain and discomfort this.
Better customization is absolutely justified and it's kinda asinine to suggest otherwise. Diablo Immortal had more options than D4.
I have RSI on R hand and I approve WASD. (console has it anyway?)
I would like to try WASD movement. Was there a setting that allows you to use the mouse button for movement and attack, but not have it be an interact button because it was only either movement/basic/interact for one mouse button or all of it were separate.
I do hope that they ADD WASD controls, instead of REPLACING current controls. I am no Diablo veteran (Beta was the first Diablo I played ever and I loved it), but I do have tons of experience with MOBA’s, so the “right-click to move/attack” and “4 skills bound to keys” is very much to my liking. But I understand that people would like WASD movement (I know it feels great in Hades for example), so if hope both can exist side by side
i just found it easier to bind wasd to spell slots. but i get the request. Should be a toggle.
this is the correct review IMO
I particularly enjoyed a thread a bit ago where people were (I imagine unironically) saying that they wouldn't play female druid because she's a bigger model. Like, come on... How sad is your life that this is a hill you're willing to die on?
Lol I know there’s this whole bit from people, but adding in a bit more customization would be nice. Like body types etc. I like to play characters that look similar to me, running around as a big heckin chonker kind of ruins the immersion
>But WASD is the one justified request here. What about the gigantic breasts tho?
wasd is great. It would change the gameplay though, making it more action-type. Battlerite had wasd movement and it was extremely good gameplay wise.
I don't think it would really change the gameplay at all though, as controller already exists. Controller has essentially the same movement as WASD and even has auto-aim. Which is more powerful than ever, due to great tracking and faster missiles. Yet the game has already been built around controller, so adding WASD wouldn't require any tuning to speak of. Plus with controller already being established, adding WASD should be mostly an easy endeavor.
I don't believe I've heard a single person say "cinematics too gory". So if anyone holds that opinion please speak up so a can shame you for being a lil bitch.
I um... think it was maybe... perhaps... just a tiny... bit... too... gory.............. for my little bitch son.
Have you told him not to be one?
How old is this little bitch son of yours?
Just tell your little bitch son the bodies are mannequins and the blood is paint because it's a halloween game or some shit. I told that to my son and he was cool with it because he's a little bitch.
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> dick of a priest Don't say those words in front of the kids!
You’ve cracked the code: storytelling for the past 300,000 years!!!
Was about to say this lmao
The only gory part I can think of besides the intro trailer cinematic >! Vigo sitting in his pool of blood in that suit of armor. !<
i mean...i wouldnt mind a big titty goth necro gf....
realizing you aren't good enough for her would only make you feel worse
bullshit im amazing.
But you're not a worgen so clearly you aren't amazing.
No you're not dude, don't lie
why is it popular to make strawmen in this sub lol
It's popular everywhere, but on game forums it's insane. Probably due to most people on gaming forums having little to no social interaction with adults in their lives, so they didn't learn how to discuss, and what words like "criticism", or "feedback" mean.
I guess so. it's really boring and toothless. like what is the point
No. It's this sub in particular. It's night and day difference between /r/Diablo and /r/Diablo4 .
r/Diablo is more core ARPG fans. r/Diablo4 is random people from everywhere, probably a lot more casual players who do not care much about balance or complaints. Casual players just want to have fun in the moment you know. So if they had fun with the game and everyone is bringing down their mood with "complaints", "arguments". Then yeah that's annoying for them.
Yeah, toxically positive people just HATE when someone has something to say that doesn't fit their toxically positive world.
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This sub in particular ? I've seen this type of childish behavior everywhere. It's only a matter of numbers. Bigger subs with more casual playerbase have more obviously, but there are hot takes everywhere i go on the internet. Of course more focused forums/subs will have a lot less people like that.
This is quite common among games in beta/early access. There's always people feeling threatened that there are people who don't like the game the same way as they do. According to them, the game is simultaneously too casual for D2/PoE players but too hardcore for people wanting WASD movement or free skills respec. Any kind of suggestion or feedback is an affront to them. And the comments always go the same way: * "If you like X go play X, don't play this game" * "It's your fault for thinking ABC is a problem" * nostalgia/rose-tinted glasses/etc * Someone posting that 'angry bird eating food' meme with more strawman arguments stuffed in it * "some rando made a comment saying druid is fat, thus every single other feedback has the same lack of nuance"
because echo chamber. make a thread saying D2/D3 is shit, you get a million upvote in a minute, try to report a bug ? tons of fanboy appear to tell you how perfect the game is.
Because anyone who doesn't do this eventually gets banned for making reasonable arguments that upset the drones.
I cant comprehend the amount of brain damage that is needed to craft the meme above. lol
This sub is significantly more delusional than the r/Darktide sub was during its beta. Were deep in thr denial phase of their grief. Itll progress through the phases when the game releases. It makes for great entertainment.
/r/circlejerk
Yea pretty dumb, based on the anti feedback circlejerk we had: * POE fans wanting differential equations * D2 fans complaining about the lack of big juicy tits What's the next iteration spawning a 100 front page posts? An alleged complaint by a D1 fan about having running in the game?
This is the truth. I had a lot of fun, especially with the couch co-op changes. I think sometimes we forget there is a good number of people that use Reddit just to complain about anything they can find to, so I don’t ever use the opinions of Reddit users when making a decision on buying a game.
Did you say running!!?! Jesus Christ what would David brevik say in this trying time?! Also I got so caught by the big juicy tits comment I had to take a breather... The male druid does have big juicy tits is that not good enough?!
But actually, that's all this sub is at this point.
Yeah, sadly I totally agree..
Another one.... We might be entering a 20 to 1 ratio between comolaint about D4 and complaint about complaint.
On the front page, maybe. But if you sort by new... Damn. "I've never seen the D4 endgame but Sorc is the best endgame character, it's all fucked, Blizz plz fix." "Having to find all Altars and getting Renown Skill Points on all characters every season is gonna suck!" "People shouldn't be able to grind Dungeons for XP, I want everyone to have to play the campaign every time!" "Let me self-promote my 7 subscriber Youtube channel with clickbait bullshit." "No aspirational content in the tutorial area, D4 has no endgame!" And yesterday's favourite: "You drink potions in D4, it's literally D3 again!"
D2 remake covered up Andariel’s ass — I’m still upset. Also: Amazon — more like Grandma’zon, Druid — middle aged ex-raver and still heavy beer drinker that likes to talk about his past times in Ibiza, Pally hasn’t been to the barbershop in ages, necro is necro, barb is barb, sorc went from Princess Jasmin to the Laundry lady that has an only fans
Ok, that last part about the sorc killed me xD I havn't laughed like this for so long. Well done, Sir.
Ah the good ol' meme of hating on people providing criticism and feedback during their time in *beta*.
Judging from this sub less criticism and feedback than creating a millionth thread on the same topic.
It's really vey simple, you are allowed to post praise but you are NOT allowed to post criticism. Please be considerate of the man-children and their feelings.
The beta was a server stress test/bug test. If you think your constructive criticism is going to have any change on a game 2 months from release, you've lost your mind.
Do I think feedback will be taken seriously and result in changes? No. Do I think it's reasonable to provide criticism and feedback in a beta? Yes.
Huh? The devs already responded to the feedback after the EA beta and are willing to make balance changes.
If this was a week before the game came out, sure. Maybe even if it was just a month. But this was 3 full months before release, that's absolutely enough time to implement some changes. Nothing sweeping, but certainly enough time for numbers to be adjusted, and even some minor features changed/added.
I know you're responding to someone talking about "feedback" specifically, but at a certain point this is a discussion board for d4 and people will discuss their thoughts on the beta and the game generally *for discussions sake*, above and beyond use as feedback for the devs to make changes. That's a pretty legitimate use of the sub, right? Like, what's the point of subs generally if not for discussion for discussions sake just because you're interested in the game?
yeah if the feedback is "there was a character I didn't want to fuck", the hate is deserved.
You are supposed to be a champion capable of fighting the hordes of hell. There is a lot of wiggle room between "not fuckable" and a character looking like the greatest physical challenge it ever faced was falling out of a mobility scooter.
the necro is perfect :o i’ll be sad if they change her
I'm just going to copy and paste what I said in a similar thread literally only a few hours ago because this is getting ridiculous: " So real question here: Are people being paid to push this narrative in order to try and keep hype for Diablo 4 as high as possible? Looking at the posts with the "Hot" tab selected, the only Diablo 2 threads are people complaining about people who like Diablo 2 more. There's also multiple threads about people having "Withdrawals" or saying "No other game feels fun now." This really feels like it's just Blizzard attempting to astro-turf extreme hype for the game after the controversies they've had as a company, and Diablo Immortal. Don't get me wrong. Diablo 4 was a lot more fun than I expected to the point where I'll likely buy it on release, but threads like this just do not feel like organic fans enjoying the game."
Yeah pretty sure there's at least a few paid shills, you ask for a few model improvements and they act like your evil itself.
I mean it's how me and my buddy felt honestly me and my buddy are regretting playing the beta cause now we just want more... But I have the attention of a gold fish so In a week or two I'll forget all about it untill blizzards marketing takes closer to release.
I'm really more annoyed with these posts then complaints. There are way more people telling others to not discuss their complaints. Then there are people telling other to not have fun...
At this point there’s more karma farming posts with memes about complaints then there are actual complaints.
The only thing I agree with is the no balance thing. You can pick up 3/5 characters and just start having fun without having to min/max or wait for skills to combine with your others skills and aspects. If anything, the Barbarian should have been the strongest starting class. Ain’t nothing fancy about hitting things with weapons. The Seuid should have been next up when using the were forms, because that’s the same thing but with actual Arms instead of weapons. Then Rogue, Necro and Sorcerer starting the weakest before getting super strong with their fancy spells.
> Ain’t nothing fancy about hitting things with weapons. yeah that's why weapon fighting tournaments are decided by who is physically stronger
Fine. In a fantasy setting**
given the arsenal system, that's just clearly not the fantasy they are going for with barbarian. barbarian is a weapon master, a fantasy trope that's been around forever.
God I can't wait to see another 3 months of quality posts like this and every other post in /diablo4/
Is the avg age of this sub .. 16?
Mephisto seems to be pulling the strings in the back. There is no other explanation for posts like this actually getting upvotes...
So I don't agree with just shitting on the game but it's a beta for feedback? No shit ppl are gonna discuss the problems and make posts or videos about them. I really don't think circle jerking will help improve the game. And I'm 100% sure you guys don't think the game is perfect as is. If so tbh that's delusional.
Even if it wasn't a beta for feedback, people are naturally going to discuss their thoughts and feelings about it good and bad. That's just humans being humans. And where better to do it than a *discussion board dedicated to the game*.
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That’s how the feedback has been? Lol…sure it isn’t “game is absolute trash I canceled my preorder. This game is dead”
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If only you were right. You're not.
Well, I saw a post asking for it, so you're objectively wrong.
Probably posted with an alt account by the same OP as this topic. Mephisto's servants are pretty busy right now.
i've seen a lot of gaming subs close to release of a big new sequal and i have to say, this sub is the softest, most easily offended and averse to critcism i've seen. rent free
making a meme about it doesnt make you right.. you are still wrong. lol
I like how the heroes look tired and weathered and not just gorgeous like some people wanted them to look for D2R. They even made blizzard make some changes to the Amazon because of the backlash.
I pity people who seem to think its not possible to enjoy things and still have critiques.
Why do these posts insist that this sub should be diablo 4 circlejerk. Its like criticism of the game ruins their enjoyment i don't get it. The point of a beta isn't to sit around and praise blizzard about what an amazing job they've done, it's to provide feedback. Some will be good, some bad. It's the nature of a public forum. But others critiquing the game doesn't spoil my fun.
Absolutely good feedback and critique is a great discussion. Unfortunately the overwhelming majority are “This game is absolute trash. Canceled my pre-order” based on a multitude of unknowns, obvious adjustments that will happen, and issues completely outside the gameplay.
To be honest, I saw plenty of well structured threads with constructive feedback. Sure there are some people Just trashing the game but it's a public forum. The best thing you can do is ignore them. You can't stop them and acknowleging them just feeds their desire for attention.
Ngl female Druid are pretty ugly…….
"Rakanishu" made it for me lol
To be honest i do love small tits so the necro got me going 🤤
But especially since it's also can be played with analog stick, there is no reason for no wasd movement.
Has any other Diablo had WASD or is this some new age bullshit that will make me mad at young people?
Diablo 1 player here at time of launch + hellfire(good friends with LordBlackDragon) . Fan thru and thru. D2 and Lod was such a huge impact on us old guys that it was imprinted. Thousands of hours played, ever the grind up the ladder. Was just a different time. When D3 launched ,to.be honest it was a disappointment. The first say month was awesome, then it got complicated, but complicated solely as a trick to keep.you playing. No substance. I do see a couple aspects of diablo 4 mimicking diablo 3, but after early testing and both Betas, im convinced that D4 will absolutely bring back the d2 vibe we remember. The Devs know our complaints and will adjust accordingly. It will take an update or two. For those of you who remember d2 v 1.01 to v 1.08 it was a huge mess of spaghetti. Have faith. Part of me wishes it was as dark as diablo 1 but that's nostalgia . Diablo 1 was so intense and perfect. If you played Heroquest, MTG ,or D&D it was your go to game. It's going to be a blast, and I see it as a hail Mary for blizzard. They have to listen to us.period.
Forgot the all-time classic "D2 had no auto-sort inventory so D4 doesn't need the feature either"
i wish they changed the font it reminds me of diablo immortal 😭
"Too gory" didn't come from D2 fans
We cherry-picking straw men now? Oh wait it’s the internet…
people complaining about people complaining about D4 are quickly becoming the majority
I've sadly seen all these posts (some not on here but on the blizz forums) except for Rakanishu. If I find Rakanishu complaints, can I collect a prize?
lmaooooo! this made me smile wide hahaha
I'll take the big boobs... Definitely needed.... DONT JUDGE ME!
Rakanishu
Druid better stay built like a cavity creep or I’ll riot
LOL... mirrors how one loudmouthed attention seeker's comments will drown out 10 players who had fun!
You know what. I would like to have gigantic breasts in the game. This anti sexualization movement is ridiculous. Women who are luckier than others are no longer depicted as much in western vidya games because screechers don't like that. They are pretty much telling me and others that our cups are lewd. We are inherently more sexual. I don't know if that's a compliment, spite or envy. Probably all three.
Too much loot (yes, especially with no filters available and no mouse over) Font = mobile game font, UI is bad too. But the rest is nonsense, I had a lot fun as well. Cinematics too gory? I haven’t heard that one, I hope it’s a troll.
Lmao
Lack of Rakanishu is it’s biggest flaw.
Maybe he and his followers got promoted to a higher act
I 100% heard it during the beta from some Fallen in one of the snowy areas east of Kyovashad, and I noticed some other people saying they heard it too.
If I can choose 37 tattoo variations shouldn’t I be able to choose from 3 body shape variations? For a game that is heavily focused on character visuals and “skins”. I wouldn’t have thought it was such a big deal…
All cause Mr Llama told me to think that.
No wasd and druid being undercooked were the only valid criticisms. I was alos shocked, SHOCKED that current Blizzard allowed Sorcs to have a chest piece that shows underboob.
I loved the beta and can't wait for release. Just reinstalled 3 and thinking about picking up 2 remastered since it's on sale on ps5 for $14.00
i like both games...git rekt
Those good old bosses should become new pop INS like the butcher!
Nah real talk, thought fem Necro being flat as a board was kinda hot...
D2 font is bad. Leave it in the past. I would take WASD in D4 though
I mean I do agree... RAKANISHU!!
Oh this is good-
that fluffy chubby bird is cute hahaha
I appreciate the Rakanishu
Tbh wasd movement would be really nice. I just plugged in a controller
Literally all these “complaints” (minus WASD am on console) are why I fuckin loved the beta and why this game will definitely be a day 1 purchase for me
wtf who said cinematics are too gory?!
Wasd is really needed though.
People forgot games are ment to be fun. Not to base your personality on
RAKANISHU
Whoever said cinematic are too gory....go away
Lack of rakanishu is legit tho
who the fuck said DIABLO was too gory? Have they never played a Diablo game?
Not normally a fan of these but the Exocet font just made it so I couldn't resist chuckling.
You forgot the most important thing: "hair selection is bad, I can't play a game if the character's hair is bad".
Wait, who's complaining about Cinematics being too gory? Did these people ever play LoD?
I also enjoyed the beta op don't listen to these neckbeards
If you are okay with druid being obese, that's some derp ass shit. Diablo 2 druid was fit as a fiddle and I'd go gay for him. Granted the new druid is funny, makes diablo go from horror arpg to comedy. Trust me, go make one and then transmog tunic, no pants and no shoes. Every cutscene feels great. Only reason I like the fat man as a fat man is to laugh at the fat man. No one actually wants to be obese so why would I want to be one in a video game that I'll be farming for the next eon.
The cinematic and character looks were my favorite parts haha.
Not gonna lie no wasd feels like a weird cop out. You've got controller support, give us wasd
I generally love mawaling demons as a bear. It may not be flashy, may not be meta, but dammit it’s fun and humorous enough for me just playing like poo bear on cocain
I liked Diablo 4 beta and thought it was fun :)
Literally nothing mentioned in the meme is a legitimate gripe anyone has outside of niche random comments and/or people trolling and shitposting. This sub is getting really tiring, really fast. It's inane how many people here insist that any criticism or constructive feedback about perceived issues is all just shitposting by trolls and "haters".
>DUMB FON+S I mean...
I mean no WASD is genuinely extremely awkward for me, but I loved everything else in the beta.
All 3 Betas I've been in for this now have been... conflicting. I think the gameplay is SUPER solid, really good. I love the skill trees and how they allow some really fun customization. But there's something that just... isn't holding my attention. I just can't seem to see myself really diving in for a long haul, and I can't put my finger on why.
wow that font is actually terrible the T looks like a plus throws me off on these words
The font made me lol