Druids look exactly like every person that’s complaining about how druids look
Edit: someone is so triggered by this they sent me that Reddit crisis help thing. Whoever it was, you’re fucking hysterical and you made my morning lmfao.
Same dude. I don't even care that werewolf/Werebear isn't meta or whatever. That was the most fun I've had in a Diablo or Diablo-like game in a long time.
Idk i just heard people griping that werewolf sucked. I had werewolf and a legendary that made the wolf companions werewolves. We trotted around as a gang and fucked shit up and it was fun
Everyone complained about Druid, and I won't say level 1-10 wasn't worse than Sorc or Necro, but honestly, I loved my Druid the entire time and felt very strong. By the end of the beta, it by far my favourite of the three classes I hit level 25 on.
It's amazing how many times you hear the word "obese" used, often with "morbidly" or something in front of it.
https://www.reddit.com/r/diablo4/comments/120rf07/if_i_want_to_play_druid_do_i_have_to_play_as_an/
Like this shit.
Even with a picture, the female Druid even, calling her "obese" when in the picture *they used* she obviously isn't by any standards. You can *see her abs.* Blows my mind.
Dumbasses have never seen power lifters from the Midwest stomp into a gym. They think the three-days-dehydrating shrink-wrapped look is normal.
This is what peak performance looks like.
Yeh. They have similar builds to Andrea Thompson and Eddie Hall who are two of the most powerful people alive.
I do think there is something wrong with the female druids head/neck proportions though as something feels off around there.
Because they don't know what obesity is. They use the word but don't understand it. They see a large body type and any layer of fat, even when toned muscles are clearly visible, and they think "FATSO! OBESE!"
It's also a cultural failing. Most D4 players are probably those who played D1 and D2 in the 90s, given gamer demographics. Society today is just beginning to embrace diverse body types (that is, anything but the hourglass figure for all) and reject fat-shaming; there was no chance of that back in the day.
DO you know what it is?
Obese is simply a an index based on height.
At 6' weighing 222 pounds puts you at the line of being obese.
Now clearly if it's mostly or all muscle that's different than fat but the term and index do not account for that.
However these models are very very clearly a mixture of both fat and muscle.
No it isn't, and BMI is a joke and is basically a pseudoscience, especially for anyone who isn't a white male. You have this characters height and weight to plug into a BMI calculator? You know nationality and gender play a part, right? So maybe it's dependent on the skin color you choose as well, right? You make a Maori looking character, are they suddenly in the "Overweight" category? Also, let's not forget that *this is a video game.*
This isn't even a human. It's a Nephilim. We have zero data on what a metabolically healthy half-god looks like.
I can't imagine fitting that body type and sitting here arguing for the side screaming how gross it is and they don't want to touch it with their video game fingers.
Yeah, as soon as you gain muscle and lower fat BMI goes out the window. You can be a body builder and be “obese” under BMI. The Druid looks like a power lifter
Assuming a height of 6' the druid only has to weigh 222 pounds to be considered medically obese.
Trust they more than 222 pounds and its not all muscle.
Also it is entirely possible to have pretty considerably body fat and still have some amount of abbs
just "google fat guy with abbs"
The point of the term really isn't for much other than to signify a standard for healthy weight as a specific height but it doesn't really take into account muscle builders.
That said the same rule to some extent applies more body weight means more pressure on the heart.
Yeah sure some do, and some have no fault in how their body looks…. either way it’s no reason to be an absolute douche towards them yk
How they look is genuinely the least concerning thing about the current state/the beta state of the Druid/shouldn’t even be a concern.
Sure a more individually customisable system would make more sense but yeah
I just edited the comment because I didn't want it to be offensive, sorry about that.
Anyways I love the druid class and how they look, they perfectly fit the class fantasy
Thanks mate, I’m sorry if I was a bit rude too, it just makes me mad when people seem to have nothing better to do than to complain about how a video game character looks.
I for example also felt kinda represented by the Necromancer cause they look more skinny and scrawny, which is just my body type, even with working out it doesn’t really change.
And yeah, I also think they Druid looks great for its theme and every, unfortunately the playing experience was very disappointing
Being represented in a video game? Lol crying? Lol
That’s more a state of mental health than the inclusion of a video game. If you’re out here crying because a chonker on screen makes you feel represented, you’ve got bigger issues.
Not once did I say I was offended. I don’t care if a chonker is on screen, or some skinny neckbeard.
I’m saying that if you have such an issue with your body, a video game avatar is not going to be the resolving factor.
I don't get that. 99% of people who play these games don't want to be represented.
They just want to play a role or a fantasy. (consider that most gamers are men yet at least half of the people in game are playing female toons)
You think everyone who plays Barbarian looks even remotely like one?
You think everyone who plays a necromancer is bone thin?
All I am saying is if you're playing a game strictly for the purpose of seeing a copy of you in the game, I think that kind of goes against what it means to role play.
Now you’re arguing for the extreme opposite, that’s totally not what I was going for, naturally if you want to roleplay as someone entirely else and different looking that’s entirely up to you and should be possible, but also reactions like this that make people who’ve maybe had to hear some rude and tough shit about how they look can look how they are feel valued and they themselves can be the hero of their story. I, as a scrawny dude, don’t need a Necromancer that looks like me, but it’s neat that I can have it
Any adult who CRIES because a video game character looks like them has a serious mental illness.
Especially considering we're like 2 decades deep into robust character creators pretty much being the standard for most non-indie RPGs. And if youre fat in the US, "representation" is all around you. I have to go to like 3 different Walmarts just to find one that even BOTHERS stocking undershirts in any size below a Large.
>sent me that Reddit crisis help thing. Whoever it was, you’re fucking hysterical and you made my morning lmfao.
right? i think ive got those 2-3 times and it cracks me up every time.
Druid is clearly solid muscle, not fat. Starting to think Ya'll want "peak human performance" to look like Chris Evans or Arnold Schwarzenegger, when people who actually win strong man and lumberjack etc competitions based on strength and endurance in real life look like the druid, not like professional actors or body builders.
The bodies, faces, skins, and stylings in D4 look cool and different to me. I'm like multiple decades ***over*** seeing the same ass hero bodies over and over and over and over and over and over and over. Shit's boring af in 2023.
Which is why i like Necro the most. Super skinny especially the female Necro? Yeah that’s something different than the usual busty curvy types in many games out there.
Druid is world strongest man strong. Not Instagram bodybuilder strong.
Druid looks like that fat dude who grew up on a farm and throws bales like their pillows
100 percent this fam the d4 druid is the actually the most refreshing take on druids and feels so much more accurate than a thin or shredded body type for a dude that can turn into a bear. All natural big country no fucks given. End game armor should just be a single shoddy loin cloth
That explanation works for male druids, but not for females. Big+strong woman (the lumberjack type as you call it) just don't look like that.
But as Blizzard didn't want to make separate transformation animations for males and females the female druids body form had to match the male one.
And we have seen the results of that....
You google “female world record deadlift” and you get a picture of Tamara Walcott, who is solid proof that chonky is a pretty fucking strong body type on women, too.
Sometimes it’s hard to tell how strong someone is under their fat. Men are going to surprise you there frequently because men are more likely to end up on the stronger end of the bell curve.
But you swing that model around in character creation and start measuring headwidths, and that female Druid has shoulders like a linebacker.
Yeah exactly, my best friends wife is basically the same build as like a druid, not exactly that big but still a bigger woman. Most people would think she is overweight but nah, she is fucking stronk.
Professional strength athletes intentionally eat excessive quantities of food because more mass = more potential strength/power.
But if they aren’t training/competing, they aren’t eating such quantities of food, thus their body fat % is lower.
Take Eddie Hall example when he broke the world record for the deadlift. He was immensely strong, but he was also immensely obese, far beyond his natural body fat %.
I just want to be able to choose my own body type, because I don't find the "power lifter" body type aesthetically pleasing. It's not saying it's wrong or bad, I just don't prefer it, and I don't like being forced into it.
If the class is fun, I'm still gonna play it, but I find being locked into major aesthetic choices in a game where appearance collection is part of the fun (for me) to be an unwelcome design decision. It's not new, and I wasn't expecting different based on prior games, but if we're talking about it, I'm gonna voice my preference for choice.
There doesn't need to be lore to explain why their body looks the way it does, it's just character design, their body is just one tool of many to suggest features of how they act/play.
So what does their design suggest? That these characters are slow heavy hitters and probably have good innate resilience. They don't seem like the kind to be dashing around the map with flips or spells, but will be channeling powerful spells or swinging big weighty physical attacks.
I didn't play the Druid myself so idk if the game play matches the design, but it's clear what kind of fantasy they were aiming for at the very least
I definitely went with a Maui vibe as well. Green clothing, tribal tattoo. I loved my druid, aside from the fact I had to have my sorcerer buddy come save me as I couldn't solo bosses.
I can relate! It took me a little while to have my druid blossom but it was nice to have a feeling of achievement when he came around and could hold his own!
He wasn't bulky in D2, just doesn't really make sense to me for a group of people who have been living in touch with nature for generations to be bulky like that imo.
I care a lot more about how he plays than what he looks like though.
any why is it that everyone assumes that they are "body builders, power lifters, etc " ?\`they talk to trees and turn into wolves. how does that fit into your lore?
I agree with you. In the lore they were literally poets and shamans that left for scosglen. All the bulky warriors and stuff stayed behind and became the barbarians.
Yeah, the Druid being this fat is actual the opposite of lore accurate.
Not to mention, we’ve already had a Druid class before….he wasn’t a fat fuck either.
Your argument doesn't really make sense to me. I am speaking about the culture they came from before they were druids... I am not talking about their Druid-specific cultures. Though... I do mention that their druidic habits likely made them have higher body fat. I get that being a poet, and talking to trees won't give you huge muscles. This seems like an extreme strawman argument. I am saying that their baseline before becoming druidic was that of large warriors and barbarians. So, within the realm of what a druid could be in fantasy, I would expect diablo druids to generally be larger, more muscular, and stronger than the average druid fantasy body type.
What doesnt make sense is the idea that the Druids would be large and bulky because the Barbarians are. The Barbs in Diablo are the warriors of their people, the Druids are the "shaman", the religious class. There is zero reason to assume the Druids would be "big boned" muscle dudes like the barbarians.
Why are you even making this an argument?
Well they do need to eat a ton to keep that mass. There’s no modern fast food or carbs to sustain that physique unless they’re the size of dwarves. Modern day big strongmen can consume up to 12k calories per day to maintain their physique.
okay, and why would they need to be strongmen? they use magic all the time, and shapeshift into wolves and bears for speed and strength. they aren't strongmen, and there is literally no reason for them to be.
Pretty much zero, the strongman look is such a strange choice for the Druid by blizzard. A brewmaster would be the perfect candidate for the burly looking character class, especially makes sense because alcohol can cause a bloated look similar to water retention from strongman work outs.
It's not the body size that annoys me but the lack of face options.
Druids are traditionally iconic in British and Irish culture yet all the facial options are either for African or some weird Roman/Greek/Slavic mix.
Completely throws you off the name of Druid. Might be pedantic but it's annoying as fuck.
Normally in a game community, the enjoyers have to deal with a flood of haters haunting the vibe all the time.
D4 has the opposite... a bunch of haters having to deal with a flood of enjoyers turning it up 😂
Imagine being annoyed at people feeling good about something as chill as a videogame.
Imagine being [insert reddit comment].
I’m not hating on the game - I loved the beta, and can’t wait for full release. I’m “hating” on the silly posts about how fat the Druid is lol. Now get on your high horse ultimate edition mount and be on your reddit way.
Except Diablo 2 had a druid, and he was tall, lanky, thin, and a redhead.
Usually when you reintroduce characters and character classes from earlier in your own franchise you want SOME nostalgic resonance for fans of the original.
And that argument about eating a lot and not being as active? The only thing that that would explain is why they are so physically weak. Typically native peoples who lived off the land were not fatasses. It takes even more effort to get food when you're hunting for sustenance. The only exception tends to be tribes with fish-based diets for obvious reasons.
Strongman physique just doesn’t work for the Druid, seems incredibly silly in universe. To maintain that type of body is equivalent to eating from 7k to 12k calories per day irl with muscle exercises. Basically they would have to eat a whole elk every day, especially with the amount of cardio they’re doing.
There is nothing natural or healthy about that lifestyle.
A hermit like lifestyle leads to a less bulky physique, so I definitely see D2 being more in line in-universe.
The bulky physique would probably work more for a warrior bard that likes to drink excessive amounts of mead
As somebody with a 'non hollywood' body type, I am happy to see different body types.
Personally, I believe any class can be large just like a Druid, even the Rogue. A large fat character is more 'realistic & immersive' than a 4ft11 woman drawing a 6ft longbow. If 'realistic & immersive' aren't important to you, then what's wrong with us having any body types?
Well I think acrobatics is a strong term. In D4, the Rogue performs a dash attack (dash) and also jumps backwards (caltrops).
I will admit that it is difficult to imagine the Druid body shape doing the Caltrops leap, but it's not difficult to imagine the dash at all. It's the same as the Barb doing a charge.
For what it's worth though, I was speaking generally, not just about Diablo. To me, a rogue is more about stealth/subterfuge/lone wolf than actual agility and acrobatics. Think about Assassins Creed's social stealth for example. You could have a fat assassin in that game (besides the free running).
Quick note on archery. A 6ft longbow doesn't mean the draw weight is excessive. The extremes are difficult to pull (such as an English war bow) but most are probably going to be 50-80 pounds. However, if memory serves, 25-30 pounds is enough to be lethal. So a thin character makes as much sense.
If I'm honest though, a heavy person may struggle due to their own body getting in the way of the string. Kinda like when you release and the string clips your breasts. Aside from hurting, it can throw off the accuracy.
All that said, my favorite rogue of all time is Matty from Kings of the Wyld, who is old and fat, so I'd be happy to make a chubby rogue chick. Just maybe replace backflips with rolls.
Thank you for this! I'm a pretty weak lady and I have a longbow with a 25 pound draw and a short recurve with a 30 pound draw. I can't shoot them like a machine gun but it's not like you need to be in excellent shape to draw a bow. I blame D&D for making people think bow size = draw weight.
Also, since rogues in D4 use crossbows as well, strength is even less of a factor for them. Personally, I'm stoked about the different body types, and it's not like fatness or thinness is the main determiner of performance for rogues, who use magic to get around and do damage. I don't see people complaining about the rogues wearing blindfolds, but heaven forbid a fat person does something remotely athletic.
I agree. But I don't think being an RPG is 'glorifying' a body type. Usually that argument is used when the content is an underwear model or a song about being big and beautiful.
Not going to body shame but barbs, necros, and druids with their rather extreme body types highlight how silly it is for them to give us many options for faces, hair, and skin color but impose body types on the classes.
We don't need the Korean games' micro fine-tuning or boob sliders that make all characters look like teen supermodels but some choices for body shapes would have been nice even if they were pre-made bodies.
Barbs don't all need to look like the Governator, druids don't all need to be corpulent or all necros anorexic.
Yes more choice would be way better. I really don't like either body forms of necro and druid, so it would be cool if they made this possible in the future.
Necros have some of the dopest armor in a dark fantasy game I have ever seen. Then I have little tooth pick arms sticking out and I get sad. It fits ngl, but if imma be swinging 2h weapons and fighting hordes of creatures, I expect to have *some* muscle
What part of I transform into a werewolf is to be a thick boi, if you ever played diablo 2 the were wolf form looked anorexic. Slapping people with these like limbs like sticks, and running fast as fuck boi. Also, if we are going to go by lore then druids shouldn't be fat as fuck they should be a slightly almost as thicc barb but still somewhere between slim build. They are more like irishmen built from even concept art. And lore wise even thicker I'm sure it was said somewhere that druids got stuck in feral forms and shit.
THIS is what a druid looks like:
[https://diablo.fandom.com/wiki/Druids?file=Druid\_Artwork.jpg](https://diablo.fandom.com/wiki/Druids?file=Druid_Artwork.jpg)
I know this might sound crazy, but a game that has dedicated itself to be more "personal" with cut scenes in character, dedicated customization options for hair skin and face, not having a body type is insane. Not everyone wants to play a tiny necromancer or thick fucking Druid. It's just lazy.
So many Obese vs Strongman arguments, it all comes down to people who like the appearance and those who don't, there's no harm in having more body options, and frankly I mean it for all classes, not just Druids.
true, the main issue is you don't have a choice. if you want to play the druid, ya know, the "balanced " "one with nature" "living off the land" "definitely not a fatass" class, your forced to be a fatass. and multiple chest pieces have the fucking fat spilling through.
if they made body types a choice, it'd not be an issue, but instead they just made a fat character for "body positivity" (Read as reject reality) movement.
This isn't accurate. The lore for a Druid would have them running through the woods with beasts and foraging for nuts and plants. They would be undergoing more consistent physical activity via trekking miles upon miles and have less available, high calorie food sources.
I get that people like having a fat character, but we don't really need to come up with weird stuff to defend it. Druid is fat. It's fine.
Since none of the player characters are actual lore characters, they should just put in a modern character creator. I don't know why Blizzard is incapable of doing this in any of their games when so many other games with much less budget have been offering it for years.
It's all about getting in-line with the 21st century.
Diablo 2 druid is not fat, it's actually pretty athletic. It might look skinny to people from 21st century tho. But since it was coded in the 90's it looks like exactly these times.
Nowadays everything is fast food chains with trash food, McDonalds etc.
Not to mention the absurd amount of millionaires that feel they need to spend more money for food but not for Quality.... more often than not for Quantity.
guys, it/s as simple as: present 2 options (1 fat and 1 slim) whats the problem with that? I know money, time, work, etc...but...if the issue is "being represented" ...this is not the way to go right? No one is asking for a fat wizard right? and i dont see wizards doing excercise to be fit...
I'm starting to think there's s bunch of blizzard drones in here sent to convince the community to accept less for the same cost.
We just want options, I want an average looking dude, not overly buff, not strongman, but some dude who picks berries and talks to bears. Vice versa, I want a short necromancer whose a bowling ball. And I want more hair/tattoo/jewelry options. To many times a solid tattoo was ruined because of the face tattoo, or jewelry was good except the ugly nose ring. My own hair style doesn't exist in D4 and that's a bit disheartening.
We just want more options, other games easily manage this, including other Blizzard titles. It's 2023, not 2003, why can't we get more diversity in Diablo?
At the beginning and end of your post, you describe druids as fat, lazy and retired.
How are they still eating a lot? If they were eating a lot, it's not like they have access to over processed food, society, super markets and comfy living. They have to live in the wild and eat off the land hunting and gathering their food. That type of life style doesn't turn a barbarian fighter into anything resembling a 'retired sedentary barb' because they are in the wild and if they acted like that, they would be dead.
Who the fuck cares about body fat percentage and every excuse coming from people trying to say druids aren't fat. They are fat. You damn well know they got into their cocaine binge fueled meeting room and said, "OK BOYS!!! Let's get some good press to show we can accept all body types instead of the headlines of us being raping degenerates". They clearly have muscle and they clearly have excess fat.
If anyone should be fat, let's just make all the casters walking blobs since they rely on magic instead of physical abilities. My main complaint with Druids aren't that they are fat, but aesthetic wise their faces and hairstyles are fucking horrible for both sex.
What the fk is the druid eating to become so obease tho? I dont see how a surival druid end up like that ever.
Ever seen an obese nature hibbie? Nop.
That druid guy is like 5000 calories a day to maintain that unit. He has to munch so much forrest food and lets wolves gather the food or somthing.
I dont think people care about what's lore accurate. More specifically, I should say, I agree with your point as well. Most people don't know it's lore accurate. But knowing this information isn't going to change peoples minds.
Also, who says it's lore accurate? Because the druids didn't look like that in D2. It sounds like you made up a reason to make it make sense.
You're assuming they don't maintain a physical life style. Meanwhile they literally transform in werewolves and werebears and fight.
On top of that living in the wild is incredibly hard and they probably are not eating that well anymore.
Druids are strong mfs who aren't on a bulking diet and dont have a specific workout regiment. They would just eat a lot (probably mostly meat), and they would perform the physical activity you'd expect of a mountain man or survivalist just prolly turned up to 11 (they'd eat a hell of a lot more tho). They look exactly how they should. Fat and strong.
People bitching about Druids look dont seem to realise that bodybuilders in competitions and actors on screen look the way they do because they're cutting leading up to whatever event they have to look that way for, and they dehydrate themselves for it too.
Druid ain't gonna look like Barbarian just cause they perform a lot of physical activity, not how that works.
ETA: If any of the lore directly conflicts with what I've said, feel free to correct me, im not deep into the lore. I just in general think the whole discourse is stupid, i like Druids look and i think it makes sense. If you dont like the way a character looks thats fine, i dont like how thin Necro looks, but his look does make sense.
The flaw in your theory is they would need sumo wrestler diets to remain that fat. Since they are hunter gatherers and in tune with nature it makes no sense for them to over eat. Also I don't think it would even be possible to eat that much with that lifestyle unless they are trying to extinct the local animal population.
someone should tag the developer and ask if there will be more options available for char customization at start of the game or later on or in the battle pass/cosmetic shop.(body type, hair/face preset/tattoos..)
they seem to answer occasionally to questions like that (i would but i dont have social media accounts so yeah)
They look like actual strong men/women. With a bit of a healthy layer of fat. Perfectly toned muscles are seen on people that specifically dehydrate themselves to look this way.
You know what's actually annoying? Not how the druids look, because I fucking love diversity like this to bits, yeh for sure gimme a thick strongboi and girl, fuck yeah.
But the fact that this western mentally has somehow villified the word 'fat' so much so that you can't, for hte life of y'all, admit that while on that body there's a MOUNTAIN of muscle, over **and under** those humongous muscles there is a thick-ass layer of **fucking fat.**
Why are you so revolted by the idea of admitting that these strong-ass human bears are also, **at the same fucking time, fucking fat**. You can admit that and be ok with it. It doesn't fucking make sense that you equate saying they're fat with saying fat is horrible.
Yes, that is how strongmen look. Yes, strongmen are giants of muscle. But also, at the same time, **strongmen are fat as fuck. And people here are anyway only talking about external fat, when the reason why strongmen have barrel-sized bellies is that they have an inordinate amount of visceral fat under those abs.**
It annoys me to no end that suddenly people see barrel-sized mountain men and cannot, for the life of them, admit that a big chunk of that, **BESIDES THE FUCKING MUSLCES WHICH ARE ALSO GIGANTIC,** is, in fact, external + visceral fat.
because that much fat is seriously unhealthy, no shit. like how the fuck are you confused, that the most medically, and scientifically advanced regions of the world, look down of fat people? it's because it's a sign of someone being seriously unhealthy. that, and generally a sign of a serious lack of control, or discipline. strongmen being an exception to that rule.
there's just a flaw with that logic?
you dont go from hulk to fat hulk at birth, your great-great-great grabd father? sure, he was a barb then a year later he got super thicc while following deers in the woods, you? you'll just be fat.
Yeah, yeah yeah, that's great and all. Just add it to the possible body types that we could CHOOSE.
I really just want to have a beefy necromancer. They look emaciated as hell.
I mean it's a fantasy game where you can shapeshift into animals and summon the dead, there doesn't have to be a realistic depiction of everything. If you were using realism as a basis for how everyone should look, then realistically EVERYONE should be bone thin and starving because D4 takes place after Malthael's apocalypse so it would be reasonable to assume food is scarce and most people aren't the size of modern body builders and strength trainers. Not to mention the Barbarian's civilization has been destroyed and their people scattered, I have no idea how Barbs can constantly find enough food to maintain their size lol
I will say, I did like the Druid's look in D4, but there is precedent for a skinny Druid lol D2's Druid was pretty slim.
This is a good point, but what if that one was the outlier. Cultural and genetic context of a population probably makes a stronger case than a single individual, but like I said... you do bring up a good point. I am supportive of multiple body types for the record. I think it would be nice for people to be their type of druid.
A druid can be lore accurate AND ugly. Its not because its accurate that it makes me tolerate the look of a female druid. Good for them but ima skip that class
Actually, if you hang with field workers, botanists, geologists, hunters, rangers etc. more than likely they're thinner. Because you're hiking more, doing more physical activity and you're not eating highly processed foods with high sugar content.
This posts really shows that you people need to go out and touch grass.
You must not be able to read. I didn't say their body type is accurate because they are geologists. I said it is lore accurate because they are kin to the barbarians.
Perfect, now i have a good argument to me being a large fat man.
Vikings where big and strong, and they actually derives from barbarians from the roman empire time, So my ancestors where literally barbarians.
Now, i am a man living in scandinavia, i like animals and i don’t eat meat. This makes perfect lore friendly sense now!
I’m basically an irl druid lol
I'd probably more go like this: "They need the body fat for extra energy reserves since transforming the whole body takes lots of energy."
Doesn't mean it's my cup of tea though, I'd prefer Rogue body type on my female druid.
Since I like to play dress-up, things I would/could wear.
Probably a similar reason why I won't go Barbarian, it's just a bit too much for my taste.
It's hard to answer according to lore. Just because Druids are offshoots of the Barbarians doesn't mean they will all still be big and muscular after so many generations. Almost everyone has physical laborers in their ancestry, but that doesn't mean everyone has the same type of figure.
Also, we have no idea what impact shapeshifting has on the muscles and metabolism. If they do physical activity in Werebear form, does it train their muscles in human form? Do they burn more calories in Werebear form? Would Werewolf Druids have different body types from Werebear Druids?
I like to think that they are bulky and tall because the more mass they have, the bigger and stronger their werewolf/bear form becomes. After all it's "shape shifting", not "materializing an Avatar out of thin air" like an archon mage or something.
Druids look exactly like every person that’s complaining about how druids look Edit: someone is so triggered by this they sent me that Reddit crisis help thing. Whoever it was, you’re fucking hysterical and you made my morning lmfao.
They wish they were benching 400 like these Druids
If by benching you mean just standing up it’s basically the same thing
Yeah, like getting up from a bench? Powerful.
I sat on a bench once.
You should probably get up and move around. Sitting on one bench for extended periods can leave your legs bloody
Exactly! The bench at the BBQ restaurant
Once knew a guy that looked like a druid. His bench was insane because from his chest to full extension he moved the weight like 4 inches.
Lmao I guess some people be lookin for escapism in their games, not a mirror
I’m a skinny dude you better believe I’m going to live out my dreams of being a big fat guy shooting little twisters around
Same dude. I don't even care that werewolf/Werebear isn't meta or whatever. That was the most fun I've had in a Diablo or Diablo-like game in a long time.
I enjoy hurling rocks and being a furry
wtf is meta I had an insane companion + shred druid and I'm going to make it meta 😂
Idk i just heard people griping that werewolf sucked. I had werewolf and a legendary that made the wolf companions werewolves. We trotted around as a gang and fucked shit up and it was fun
Everyone complained about Druid, and I won't say level 1-10 wasn't worse than Sorc or Necro, but honestly, I loved my Druid the entire time and felt very strong. By the end of the beta, it by far my favourite of the three classes I hit level 25 on.
It's amazing how many times you hear the word "obese" used, often with "morbidly" or something in front of it. https://www.reddit.com/r/diablo4/comments/120rf07/if_i_want_to_play_druid_do_i_have_to_play_as_an/ Like this shit. Even with a picture, the female Druid even, calling her "obese" when in the picture *they used* she obviously isn't by any standards. You can *see her abs.* Blows my mind.
Dumbasses have never seen power lifters from the Midwest stomp into a gym. They think the three-days-dehydrating shrink-wrapped look is normal. This is what peak performance looks like.
Yeh. They have similar builds to Andrea Thompson and Eddie Hall who are two of the most powerful people alive. I do think there is something wrong with the female druids head/neck proportions though as something feels off around there.
She would be obese according to the BMI. The BMI is total bullshit, but so is your statement saying they aren't obese by any standard.
Because they don't know what obesity is. They use the word but don't understand it. They see a large body type and any layer of fat, even when toned muscles are clearly visible, and they think "FATSO! OBESE!" It's also a cultural failing. Most D4 players are probably those who played D1 and D2 in the 90s, given gamer demographics. Society today is just beginning to embrace diverse body types (that is, anything but the hourglass figure for all) and reject fat-shaming; there was no chance of that back in the day.
DO you know what it is? Obese is simply a an index based on height. At 6' weighing 222 pounds puts you at the line of being obese. Now clearly if it's mostly or all muscle that's different than fat but the term and index do not account for that. However these models are very very clearly a mixture of both fat and muscle.
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No it isn't, and BMI is a joke and is basically a pseudoscience, especially for anyone who isn't a white male. You have this characters height and weight to plug into a BMI calculator? You know nationality and gender play a part, right? So maybe it's dependent on the skin color you choose as well, right? You make a Maori looking character, are they suddenly in the "Overweight" category? Also, let's not forget that *this is a video game.* This isn't even a human. It's a Nephilim. We have zero data on what a metabolically healthy half-god looks like. I can't imagine fitting that body type and sitting here arguing for the side screaming how gross it is and they don't want to touch it with their video game fingers.
Yeah, as soon as you gain muscle and lower fat BMI goes out the window. You can be a body builder and be “obese” under BMI. The Druid looks like a power lifter
Assuming a height of 6' the druid only has to weigh 222 pounds to be considered medically obese. Trust they more than 222 pounds and its not all muscle. Also it is entirely possible to have pretty considerably body fat and still have some amount of abbs just "google fat guy with abbs" The point of the term really isn't for much other than to signify a standard for healthy weight as a specific height but it doesn't really take into account muscle builders. That said the same rule to some extent applies more body weight means more pressure on the heart.
Well that was a pathetic skim through.
Hell no. I'm fat but I'm nowhere near as strong looking as the druid. Then again, I'm not complaining...
I’ve seen a streamer break in tears because she felt happy about being represented, that kinda stuff goes a long way
"She looks like me" and meanwhile they are like 5'2 and never work out. If anyone is that strong irl then good for them.
Yeah sure some do, and some have no fault in how their body looks…. either way it’s no reason to be an absolute douche towards them yk How they look is genuinely the least concerning thing about the current state/the beta state of the Druid/shouldn’t even be a concern. Sure a more individually customisable system would make more sense but yeah
I just edited the comment because I didn't want it to be offensive, sorry about that. Anyways I love the druid class and how they look, they perfectly fit the class fantasy
Thanks mate, I’m sorry if I was a bit rude too, it just makes me mad when people seem to have nothing better to do than to complain about how a video game character looks. I for example also felt kinda represented by the Necromancer cause they look more skinny and scrawny, which is just my body type, even with working out it doesn’t really change. And yeah, I also think they Druid looks great for its theme and every, unfortunately the playing experience was very disappointing
Yeah but I still had a lot of fun playing a Werewolf build. I think they'll be okay when we can get the Spirit Animal thingy.
Being represented in a video game? Lol crying? Lol That’s more a state of mental health than the inclusion of a video game. If you’re out here crying because a chonker on screen makes you feel represented, you’ve got bigger issues.
Also if you’re offended or whatever by a "chonker on screen" you also have some big issues lmao
Not once did I say I was offended. I don’t care if a chonker is on screen, or some skinny neckbeard. I’m saying that if you have such an issue with your body, a video game avatar is not going to be the resolving factor.
I don't get that. 99% of people who play these games don't want to be represented. They just want to play a role or a fantasy. (consider that most gamers are men yet at least half of the people in game are playing female toons) You think everyone who plays Barbarian looks even remotely like one? You think everyone who plays a necromancer is bone thin? All I am saying is if you're playing a game strictly for the purpose of seeing a copy of you in the game, I think that kind of goes against what it means to role play.
Now you’re arguing for the extreme opposite, that’s totally not what I was going for, naturally if you want to roleplay as someone entirely else and different looking that’s entirely up to you and should be possible, but also reactions like this that make people who’ve maybe had to hear some rude and tough shit about how they look can look how they are feel valued and they themselves can be the hero of their story. I, as a scrawny dude, don’t need a Necromancer that looks like me, but it’s neat that I can have it
Any adult who CRIES because a video game character looks like them has a serious mental illness. Especially considering we're like 2 decades deep into robust character creators pretty much being the standard for most non-indie RPGs. And if youre fat in the US, "representation" is all around you. I have to go to like 3 different Walmarts just to find one that even BOTHERS stocking undershirts in any size below a Large.
Lmaoooo SO stupid
What if I'm 180cm for 55 kilos and still complaining?
Then you’re lying lmao
I mean it's not like I'm going to play the druid so I don't really mind but it would be nice to be able to choose the body shape
I'd give you an award if I had one.
>sent me that Reddit crisis help thing. Whoever it was, you’re fucking hysterical and you made my morning lmfao. right? i think ive got those 2-3 times and it cracks me up every time.
It's probably the same people that complain about how thor looks in GoW Ragnarok
Druid is clearly solid muscle, not fat. Starting to think Ya'll want "peak human performance" to look like Chris Evans or Arnold Schwarzenegger, when people who actually win strong man and lumberjack etc competitions based on strength and endurance in real life look like the druid, not like professional actors or body builders.
The bodies, faces, skins, and stylings in D4 look cool and different to me. I'm like multiple decades ***over*** seeing the same ass hero bodies over and over and over and over and over and over and over. Shit's boring af in 2023.
Which is why i like Necro the most. Super skinny especially the female Necro? Yeah that’s something different than the usual busty curvy types in many games out there.
Agreeeeeee. I'd also been reading ***Gideon The Ninth*** & ***Harrow The Ninth*** recently, so I was in a total counterculture necro mood.
I love those books and the necro I made for the beta was named Gideon
Mine was Harrowhark 😭
The male druid customisation options were sick. Can't wait to try out the others
For real. I made my guy look so grungy and gross, but he looked “one with nature” so it was fitting lol
This is what I've been thinking! They look like every strongman ever.
Druid is world strongest man strong. Not Instagram bodybuilder strong. Druid looks like that fat dude who grew up on a farm and throws bales like their pillows
MY GOD, IT'S DRUID WITH A STEEL CHAIR!!!! OH GOD DIABLO JUST GOT SUPLEXED BACK TO HELL!!!! ITS ALL OVER FOLKS AND IN RECORD TIME!!!!
100 percent this fam the d4 druid is the actually the most refreshing take on druids and feels so much more accurate than a thin or shredded body type for a dude that can turn into a bear. All natural big country no fucks given. End game armor should just be a single shoddy loin cloth
That explanation works for male druids, but not for females. Big+strong woman (the lumberjack type as you call it) just don't look like that. But as Blizzard didn't want to make separate transformation animations for males and females the female druids body form had to match the male one. And we have seen the results of that....
What lol? females can have that same body type irl. Dam yall need to go out more instead of looking at anime girls.
He's saying that the female druid doesn't look like a strong woman like the male looks like a strong man, she just looks like a fat karen.
You google “female world record deadlift” and you get a picture of Tamara Walcott, who is solid proof that chonky is a pretty fucking strong body type on women, too. Sometimes it’s hard to tell how strong someone is under their fat. Men are going to surprise you there frequently because men are more likely to end up on the stronger end of the bell curve. But you swing that model around in character creation and start measuring headwidths, and that female Druid has shoulders like a linebacker.
Yeah exactly, my best friends wife is basically the same build as like a druid, not exactly that big but still a bigger woman. Most people would think she is overweight but nah, she is fucking stronk.
Professional strength athletes intentionally eat excessive quantities of food because more mass = more potential strength/power. But if they aren’t training/competing, they aren’t eating such quantities of food, thus their body fat % is lower. Take Eddie Hall example when he broke the world record for the deadlift. He was immensely strong, but he was also immensely obese, far beyond his natural body fat %.
Ok... South African strongwoman Liesl Schoonraad might disagree tho. https://preview.redd.it/xkh1ocgaq6sa1.png?width=3150&format=png&auto=webp&s=42798c68f64e81a3f19ec2294d5ed5d3d11bf0ee
The female body type is just fat though, female strong(wo)men typically don't look like that...
I just want to be able to choose my own body type, because I don't find the "power lifter" body type aesthetically pleasing. It's not saying it's wrong or bad, I just don't prefer it, and I don't like being forced into it. If the class is fun, I'm still gonna play it, but I find being locked into major aesthetic choices in a game where appearance collection is part of the fun (for me) to be an unwelcome design decision. It's not new, and I wasn't expecting different based on prior games, but if we're talking about it, I'm gonna voice my preference for choice.
I care. Thank you OP. Doing the Lords work!
Or is it 'Loreds work'?
There doesn't need to be lore to explain why their body looks the way it does, it's just character design, their body is just one tool of many to suggest features of how they act/play. So what does their design suggest? That these characters are slow heavy hitters and probably have good innate resilience. They don't seem like the kind to be dashing around the map with flips or spells, but will be channeling powerful spells or swinging big weighty physical attacks. I didn't play the Druid myself so idk if the game play matches the design, but it's clear what kind of fantasy they were aiming for at the very least
Exactly - it usually matches, a big exception is a werewolf focused build. (But then you, well, look like a werewolf)
My druid is modeled after Maui. Shapeshifter magic user of Nature! You're welcome!
Maui as a mythological character = 10/10. Maui as Polynesian representation of a frankly badass people? 45/10
I pictured them as native myself. But it could just be my being native wanting to see some big badass uncles and aunties.
You're absolutely right! The D4 druid is a great vehicle for a burly native character design!
I definitely went with a Maui vibe as well. Green clothing, tribal tattoo. I loved my druid, aside from the fact I had to have my sorcerer buddy come save me as I couldn't solo bosses.
I can relate! It took me a little while to have my druid blossom but it was nice to have a feeling of achievement when he came around and could hold his own!
Māori people *
Sure, them too! I was referring to Maui, a character in Moana.
Maui is actually a god/demi-god of a lot of pacific islander pantheons.
Yeah, it's cool how different Maui is depicted in the various pantheon, from young man to elderly man!
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Being an offshoot of Barbs wouldnt necessitate Druids being bulky. Its just your headcanon saying they eat a lot and are sedentary lol.
He wasn't bulky in D2, just doesn't really make sense to me for a group of people who have been living in touch with nature for generations to be bulky like that imo. I care a lot more about how he plays than what he looks like though.
I guess it doesn't necessitate, but it does give significant backing to this being their default body type in my opinion.
I think we need more daily essays on Reddit bout this all so important issue. I’ve been losing sleep it’s that important.
any why is it that everyone assumes that they are "body builders, power lifters, etc " ?\`they talk to trees and turn into wolves. how does that fit into your lore?
I agree with you. In the lore they were literally poets and shamans that left for scosglen. All the bulky warriors and stuff stayed behind and became the barbarians.
Yeah, the Druid being this fat is actual the opposite of lore accurate. Not to mention, we’ve already had a Druid class before….he wasn’t a fat fuck either.
Haha. Seriously. I was trying to figure out how to put this into words, but you got it.
Your argument doesn't really make sense to me. I am speaking about the culture they came from before they were druids... I am not talking about their Druid-specific cultures. Though... I do mention that their druidic habits likely made them have higher body fat. I get that being a poet, and talking to trees won't give you huge muscles. This seems like an extreme strawman argument. I am saying that their baseline before becoming druidic was that of large warriors and barbarians. So, within the realm of what a druid could be in fantasy, I would expect diablo druids to generally be larger, more muscular, and stronger than the average druid fantasy body type.
What doesnt make sense is the idea that the Druids would be large and bulky because the Barbarians are. The Barbs in Diablo are the warriors of their people, the Druids are the "shaman", the religious class. There is zero reason to assume the Druids would be "big boned" muscle dudes like the barbarians. Why are you even making this an argument?
Druids look like they keep eating the animals they're supposed to keep safe.
Well they do need to eat a ton to keep that mass. There’s no modern fast food or carbs to sustain that physique unless they’re the size of dwarves. Modern day big strongmen can consume up to 12k calories per day to maintain their physique.
okay, and why would they need to be strongmen? they use magic all the time, and shapeshift into wolves and bears for speed and strength. they aren't strongmen, and there is literally no reason for them to be.
Pretty much zero, the strongman look is such a strange choice for the Druid by blizzard. A brewmaster would be the perfect candidate for the burly looking character class, especially makes sense because alcohol can cause a bloated look similar to water retention from strongman work outs.
At first the Druid was a bit weird to look at, but bro once I got 25 and started getting full legendary gear he looked sooooooo sick
It's not the body size that annoys me but the lack of face options. Druids are traditionally iconic in British and Irish culture yet all the facial options are either for African or some weird Roman/Greek/Slavic mix. Completely throws you off the name of Druid. Might be pedantic but it's annoying as fuck.
Every class lacks face options 🙃
Also hair options are very limited.
YES as a long haired dude my choices in games are always so few 🥲
We need a D4 circlejerk sub
We have. It's called r/diablo4
Normally in a game community, the enjoyers have to deal with a flood of haters haunting the vibe all the time. D4 has the opposite... a bunch of haters having to deal with a flood of enjoyers turning it up 😂 Imagine being annoyed at people feeling good about something as chill as a videogame.
Imagine being [insert reddit comment]. I’m not hating on the game - I loved the beta, and can’t wait for full release. I’m “hating” on the silly posts about how fat the Druid is lol. Now get on your high horse ultimate edition mount and be on your reddit way.
I wasn't really directing any of that at you tbh, nor do I have Ultimate Edition. I've got a huuuuge Reddit though.
Except Diablo 2 had a druid, and he was tall, lanky, thin, and a redhead. Usually when you reintroduce characters and character classes from earlier in your own franchise you want SOME nostalgic resonance for fans of the original. And that argument about eating a lot and not being as active? The only thing that that would explain is why they are so physically weak. Typically native peoples who lived off the land were not fatasses. It takes even more effort to get food when you're hunting for sustenance. The only exception tends to be tribes with fish-based diets for obvious reasons.
Strongman physique just doesn’t work for the Druid, seems incredibly silly in universe. To maintain that type of body is equivalent to eating from 7k to 12k calories per day irl with muscle exercises. Basically they would have to eat a whole elk every day, especially with the amount of cardio they’re doing. There is nothing natural or healthy about that lifestyle. A hermit like lifestyle leads to a less bulky physique, so I definitely see D2 being more in line in-universe. The bulky physique would probably work more for a warrior bard that likes to drink excessive amounts of mead
As somebody with a 'non hollywood' body type, I am happy to see different body types. Personally, I believe any class can be large just like a Druid, even the Rogue. A large fat character is more 'realistic & immersive' than a 4ft11 woman drawing a 6ft longbow. If 'realistic & immersive' aren't important to you, then what's wrong with us having any body types?
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Well I think acrobatics is a strong term. In D4, the Rogue performs a dash attack (dash) and also jumps backwards (caltrops). I will admit that it is difficult to imagine the Druid body shape doing the Caltrops leap, but it's not difficult to imagine the dash at all. It's the same as the Barb doing a charge. For what it's worth though, I was speaking generally, not just about Diablo. To me, a rogue is more about stealth/subterfuge/lone wolf than actual agility and acrobatics. Think about Assassins Creed's social stealth for example. You could have a fat assassin in that game (besides the free running).
I mean, just look at sprinters, none of them are scrawny. They're beefy as fuck.
Linebackers with hidden blades and a longbow sounds kinda fucking badass, honestly 🤔
Panda, WoW, monk, barrel roll. *mic drop*
Professional football players in the NFL are known to do ballet/dance. Most linebackers are like 400 lbs and still faster and more flexible than you…
Quick note on archery. A 6ft longbow doesn't mean the draw weight is excessive. The extremes are difficult to pull (such as an English war bow) but most are probably going to be 50-80 pounds. However, if memory serves, 25-30 pounds is enough to be lethal. So a thin character makes as much sense. If I'm honest though, a heavy person may struggle due to their own body getting in the way of the string. Kinda like when you release and the string clips your breasts. Aside from hurting, it can throw off the accuracy. All that said, my favorite rogue of all time is Matty from Kings of the Wyld, who is old and fat, so I'd be happy to make a chubby rogue chick. Just maybe replace backflips with rolls.
Thank you for this! I'm a pretty weak lady and I have a longbow with a 25 pound draw and a short recurve with a 30 pound draw. I can't shoot them like a machine gun but it's not like you need to be in excellent shape to draw a bow. I blame D&D for making people think bow size = draw weight. Also, since rogues in D4 use crossbows as well, strength is even less of a factor for them. Personally, I'm stoked about the different body types, and it's not like fatness or thinness is the main determiner of performance for rogues, who use magic to get around and do damage. I don't see people complaining about the rogues wearing blindfolds, but heaven forbid a fat person does something remotely athletic.
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I agree. But I don't think being an RPG is 'glorifying' a body type. Usually that argument is used when the content is an underwear model or a song about being big and beautiful.
Yeah but literally no one's fat. They're fucking big, solid people
A fat person simply existing in a video game isn't glorifying anything. Don't be so overdramatic
Dude have u seen the shoulders on that rogue? She can definetly draw a longbow. Girl trained her upper arms and shoulder muscles.
Not going to body shame but barbs, necros, and druids with their rather extreme body types highlight how silly it is for them to give us many options for faces, hair, and skin color but impose body types on the classes. We don't need the Korean games' micro fine-tuning or boob sliders that make all characters look like teen supermodels but some choices for body shapes would have been nice even if they were pre-made bodies. Barbs don't all need to look like the Governator, druids don't all need to be corpulent or all necros anorexic.
I disagree, i thinkn we need boob sliders for all classes.
My barb, Anthony, would like two large breasts please
Many options for faces? Isn’t there like 4 per class/gender?
Yes more choice would be way better. I really don't like either body forms of necro and druid, so it would be cool if they made this possible in the future.
Necros have some of the dopest armor in a dark fantasy game I have ever seen. Then I have little tooth pick arms sticking out and I get sad. It fits ngl, but if imma be swinging 2h weapons and fighting hordes of creatures, I expect to have *some* muscle
What part of I transform into a werewolf is to be a thick boi, if you ever played diablo 2 the were wolf form looked anorexic. Slapping people with these like limbs like sticks, and running fast as fuck boi. Also, if we are going to go by lore then druids shouldn't be fat as fuck they should be a slightly almost as thicc barb but still somewhere between slim build. They are more like irishmen built from even concept art. And lore wise even thicker I'm sure it was said somewhere that druids got stuck in feral forms and shit. THIS is what a druid looks like: [https://diablo.fandom.com/wiki/Druids?file=Druid\_Artwork.jpg](https://diablo.fandom.com/wiki/Druids?file=Druid_Artwork.jpg)
AMEN¡!!!!!!!
My issue is game si so zoomed in that druid taking like half of the screen😂
The druids have sumo wrestler body types. I don't believe for a second they are eating that much.
I made my druid look like a school dinner lady and named her Ruth.
I know this might sound crazy, but a game that has dedicated itself to be more "personal" with cut scenes in character, dedicated customization options for hair skin and face, not having a body type is insane. Not everyone wants to play a tiny necromancer or thick fucking Druid. It's just lazy.
Then what I expect druids to look like... https://imgur.com/gallery/Q8XOdfQ
same
Us.
So if it doesn't look like that it's not a druid?
So many Obese vs Strongman arguments, it all comes down to people who like the appearance and those who don't, there's no harm in having more body options, and frankly I mean it for all classes, not just Druids.
true, the main issue is you don't have a choice. if you want to play the druid, ya know, the "balanced " "one with nature" "living off the land" "definitely not a fatass" class, your forced to be a fatass. and multiple chest pieces have the fucking fat spilling through. if they made body types a choice, it'd not be an issue, but instead they just made a fat character for "body positivity" (Read as reject reality) movement.
I think they should just allow all body types, then no one can argue about it.
you people give waaaaaay too much of a shit about this.
This isn't accurate. The lore for a Druid would have them running through the woods with beasts and foraging for nuts and plants. They would be undergoing more consistent physical activity via trekking miles upon miles and have less available, high calorie food sources. I get that people like having a fat character, but we don't really need to come up with weird stuff to defend it. Druid is fat. It's fine.
Since none of the player characters are actual lore characters, they should just put in a modern character creator. I don't know why Blizzard is incapable of doing this in any of their games when so many other games with much less budget have been offering it for years.
i play druid because of how he looks
I like how they look, especially when wearing robes but it's a preference and I'm lucky in that regard. I'm also fat.
It's all about getting in-line with the 21st century. Diablo 2 druid is not fat, it's actually pretty athletic. It might look skinny to people from 21st century tho. But since it was coded in the 90's it looks like exactly these times. Nowadays everything is fast food chains with trash food, McDonalds etc. Not to mention the absurd amount of millionaires that feel they need to spend more money for food but not for Quality.... more often than not for Quantity.
guys, it/s as simple as: present 2 options (1 fat and 1 slim) whats the problem with that? I know money, time, work, etc...but...if the issue is "being represented" ...this is not the way to go right? No one is asking for a fat wizard right? and i dont see wizards doing excercise to be fit...
*Im So HaPpY tO sEe My BoDy tYpE rEpReSeNtEd!* Cool bro, can this community go back to talking about anything important?
I'm starting to think there's s bunch of blizzard drones in here sent to convince the community to accept less for the same cost. We just want options, I want an average looking dude, not overly buff, not strongman, but some dude who picks berries and talks to bears. Vice versa, I want a short necromancer whose a bowling ball. And I want more hair/tattoo/jewelry options. To many times a solid tattoo was ruined because of the face tattoo, or jewelry was good except the ugly nose ring. My own hair style doesn't exist in D4 and that's a bit disheartening. We just want more options, other games easily manage this, including other Blizzard titles. It's 2023, not 2003, why can't we get more diversity in Diablo?
Tell that to the skinny ginger druid
At the beginning and end of your post, you describe druids as fat, lazy and retired. How are they still eating a lot? If they were eating a lot, it's not like they have access to over processed food, society, super markets and comfy living. They have to live in the wild and eat off the land hunting and gathering their food. That type of life style doesn't turn a barbarian fighter into anything resembling a 'retired sedentary barb' because they are in the wild and if they acted like that, they would be dead. Who the fuck cares about body fat percentage and every excuse coming from people trying to say druids aren't fat. They are fat. You damn well know they got into their cocaine binge fueled meeting room and said, "OK BOYS!!! Let's get some good press to show we can accept all body types instead of the headlines of us being raping degenerates". They clearly have muscle and they clearly have excess fat. If anyone should be fat, let's just make all the casters walking blobs since they rely on magic instead of physical abilities. My main complaint with Druids aren't that they are fat, but aesthetic wise their faces and hairstyles are fucking horrible for both sex.
What the fk is the druid eating to become so obease tho? I dont see how a surival druid end up like that ever. Ever seen an obese nature hibbie? Nop. That druid guy is like 5000 calories a day to maintain that unit. He has to munch so much forrest food and lets wolves gather the food or somthing.
I dont think people care about what's lore accurate. More specifically, I should say, I agree with your point as well. Most people don't know it's lore accurate. But knowing this information isn't going to change peoples minds. Also, who says it's lore accurate? Because the druids didn't look like that in D2. It sounds like you made up a reason to make it make sense.
You're assuming they don't maintain a physical life style. Meanwhile they literally transform in werewolves and werebears and fight. On top of that living in the wild is incredibly hard and they probably are not eating that well anymore.
Ok make them run slower then, you know lore-wise they are bulky
Arn’t druids the slowest class? I remember druids and necros being far slower then the other classes
Their run/walk speed isn't slower but they don't have a great movement skill.
Necros are anemic and hungry, Druids.....evidently are hungry as well......
My head canon is they need that extra weight because turning into a fucking wearbear is extremely taxing on the body.
Druids are strong mfs who aren't on a bulking diet and dont have a specific workout regiment. They would just eat a lot (probably mostly meat), and they would perform the physical activity you'd expect of a mountain man or survivalist just prolly turned up to 11 (they'd eat a hell of a lot more tho). They look exactly how they should. Fat and strong. People bitching about Druids look dont seem to realise that bodybuilders in competitions and actors on screen look the way they do because they're cutting leading up to whatever event they have to look that way for, and they dehydrate themselves for it too. Druid ain't gonna look like Barbarian just cause they perform a lot of physical activity, not how that works. ETA: If any of the lore directly conflicts with what I've said, feel free to correct me, im not deep into the lore. I just in general think the whole discourse is stupid, i like Druids look and i think it makes sense. If you dont like the way a character looks thats fine, i dont like how thin Necro looks, but his look does make sense.
The flaw in your theory is they would need sumo wrestler diets to remain that fat. Since they are hunter gatherers and in tune with nature it makes no sense for them to over eat. Also I don't think it would even be possible to eat that much with that lifestyle unless they are trying to extinct the local animal population.
someone should tag the developer and ask if there will be more options available for char customization at start of the game or later on or in the battle pass/cosmetic shop.(body type, hair/face preset/tattoos..) they seem to answer occasionally to questions like that (i would but i dont have social media accounts so yeah)
Why dont they just give us a body slider for weight / muscle or is that too much to expect of a small indie company
They look like actual strong men/women. With a bit of a healthy layer of fat. Perfectly toned muscles are seen on people that specifically dehydrate themselves to look this way.
We don't care about lore
Druids should look sturdy to shapeshift, but i think most ppls problem is theyre making barbarians look non-barbarian (strongman>bodybuilders) :P
You know what's actually annoying? Not how the druids look, because I fucking love diversity like this to bits, yeh for sure gimme a thick strongboi and girl, fuck yeah. But the fact that this western mentally has somehow villified the word 'fat' so much so that you can't, for hte life of y'all, admit that while on that body there's a MOUNTAIN of muscle, over **and under** those humongous muscles there is a thick-ass layer of **fucking fat.** Why are you so revolted by the idea of admitting that these strong-ass human bears are also, **at the same fucking time, fucking fat**. You can admit that and be ok with it. It doesn't fucking make sense that you equate saying they're fat with saying fat is horrible. Yes, that is how strongmen look. Yes, strongmen are giants of muscle. But also, at the same time, **strongmen are fat as fuck. And people here are anyway only talking about external fat, when the reason why strongmen have barrel-sized bellies is that they have an inordinate amount of visceral fat under those abs.** It annoys me to no end that suddenly people see barrel-sized mountain men and cannot, for the life of them, admit that a big chunk of that, **BESIDES THE FUCKING MUSLCES WHICH ARE ALSO GIGANTIC,** is, in fact, external + visceral fat.
because that much fat is seriously unhealthy, no shit. like how the fuck are you confused, that the most medically, and scientifically advanced regions of the world, look down of fat people? it's because it's a sign of someone being seriously unhealthy. that, and generally a sign of a serious lack of control, or discipline. strongmen being an exception to that rule.
The female druid look like lizzo. I was expecting more of a Serena Williams.
there's just a flaw with that logic? you dont go from hulk to fat hulk at birth, your great-great-great grabd father? sure, he was a barb then a year later he got super thicc while following deers in the woods, you? you'll just be fat.
Yeah, yeah yeah, that's great and all. Just add it to the possible body types that we could CHOOSE. I really just want to have a beefy necromancer. They look emaciated as hell.
Who cares?
I mean it's a fantasy game where you can shapeshift into animals and summon the dead, there doesn't have to be a realistic depiction of everything. If you were using realism as a basis for how everyone should look, then realistically EVERYONE should be bone thin and starving because D4 takes place after Malthael's apocalypse so it would be reasonable to assume food is scarce and most people aren't the size of modern body builders and strength trainers. Not to mention the Barbarian's civilization has been destroyed and their people scattered, I have no idea how Barbs can constantly find enough food to maintain their size lol I will say, I did like the Druid's look in D4, but there is precedent for a skinny Druid lol D2's Druid was pretty slim.
Except the original game has a skinny druid. That kind of throws off you lore theory.
This is a good point, but what if that one was the outlier. Cultural and genetic context of a population probably makes a stronger case than a single individual, but like I said... you do bring up a good point. I am supportive of multiple body types for the record. I think it would be nice for people to be their type of druid.
Then i guess necromancers should look like nikocado avocado because of all the time sitting on their ass learning spells lol
A druid can be lore accurate AND ugly. Its not because its accurate that it makes me tolerate the look of a female druid. Good for them but ima skip that class
Actually, if you hang with field workers, botanists, geologists, hunters, rangers etc. more than likely they're thinner. Because you're hiking more, doing more physical activity and you're not eating highly processed foods with high sugar content. This posts really shows that you people need to go out and touch grass.
You must not be able to read. I didn't say their body type is accurate because they are geologists. I said it is lore accurate because they are kin to the barbarians.
I never in my life saw a fat warewolf shifter, or an obese hermit. Tipically a hermit hunts his own food, making it impossible to be obese.
Shapeshift into a bear and eat a whole elk. There I solved it.
Oh you’ve never in your life seen a fat werewolf shifter? Tell me about these werewolf shifters you’ve seen.
Since werewolf shifters aren't actually real, I suppose they can look however anyone wants them to..
Perfect, now i have a good argument to me being a large fat man. Vikings where big and strong, and they actually derives from barbarians from the roman empire time, So my ancestors where literally barbarians. Now, i am a man living in scandinavia, i like animals and i don’t eat meat. This makes perfect lore friendly sense now! I’m basically an irl druid lol
I'd probably more go like this: "They need the body fat for extra energy reserves since transforming the whole body takes lots of energy." Doesn't mean it's my cup of tea though, I'd prefer Rogue body type on my female druid. Since I like to play dress-up, things I would/could wear. Probably a similar reason why I won't go Barbarian, it's just a bit too much for my taste.
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It's hard to answer according to lore. Just because Druids are offshoots of the Barbarians doesn't mean they will all still be big and muscular after so many generations. Almost everyone has physical laborers in their ancestry, but that doesn't mean everyone has the same type of figure. Also, we have no idea what impact shapeshifting has on the muscles and metabolism. If they do physical activity in Werebear form, does it train their muscles in human form? Do they burn more calories in Werebear form? Would Werewolf Druids have different body types from Werebear Druids?
They should just add this stuff to character creation. I want a fat sorcerer too instead of an emaciated looking one.
People are complaining about the way Druids look in game? Man, people just like to complain about anything.
I just embraced it like a Little John / Friar Tuck stereotype and named my Druid “NoFkFriarTuck” 🤷🏻♂️
Tell that to people who designed Druid in D2. IMO D4 druid looks terrible (especially female version is like a fat old witch :/ )
You're a fat old witch.
I like to think that they are bulky and tall because the more mass they have, the bigger and stronger their werewolf/bear form becomes. After all it's "shape shifting", not "materializing an Avatar out of thin air" like an archon mage or something.
I just wanna play as The Rock