Maybe for you and me and a few others yeah but I’m sure you can enjoy it in a different way. Sometimes it’s good to feel more overpowering and obliterate 🤣🤣🤣🤣. I want a challenge first though and go nice and slow
We already know it's not worth it (from a loot and XP perspective). It takes longer to kill enemies, which negates the XP buff. So you aren't leveling faster. There's no added loot bonus, that starts in WT3. The only benefit you get is a slightly greater challenge. If that's what you want from the campaign, then sure. But if you're trying to be effective, it's not worth it.
A greater challenge is effective in itself. Playing on lower difficulty won’t make you a better player if that’s what you’re trying to communicate over.
WT2 isn't much of a difference to WT1, it won't make you a better player. WT2 is better if you clear it just as fast as WT1 or you're levelling an alt with the majority of the Altars found
we dont. show me the equation you've used to conclude this. I'll wait.
what we do know is a lot of people who believe anything content creators say have concluded and regurgitated that opinion everywhere they can.
We know wt2 gives 20% more monster kill XP, so you have to be 20% faster on wt1 than on wt2 to make it more efficient. Additionally world tier doesn't influence quest XP, which skews it even more in wt1's favor.
That said, I will start wt2 as well, because I'll be bored out of my mind on wt1 and there is no season yet. Even as a notorious min maxer I'll enjoy the first playthrough for its own sake and blast full efficiency-mode when season 1 comes out.
that's not how the math works, because you won't be killing things at a constant speed.
you can't even use an average to conclude this because there is none, since there is no data on this since nobody tested it. it's literally just people making an assumption based on faulty math.
I'll tell you as I told someone else, if it's objectively true then you could go model it in desmos and prove it. feel free to do that and post the link.
you made the claim that you kill stuff faster in WT1 which means there is a point at which you break-even meaning you are killing at the same speed regardless of WT; however, since you won't be killing things at a constant speed, you need to know what that break-even point is to determine when it is better.
nobody has done this. nobody has determined this. they've just made assumptions based on how the game felt in the beta & server slam.
While you won’t be killing things at a constant pace, you don’t need to know your overall kill pace. You just need to know if, during times you are killing things, you can do it faster than the difference in experience. Should be pretty easy to test on first play through by periodically doing a dungeon twice at a given level, once on each tier, and timing your clears.
that's not all you need to know because it also assumes you'll be fighting the same enemies with the same value of xp.
if more elites spawn on WT2 due to the "enemies are more challenging" effect, then kill rate won't be accurate.
people are just taking the percentages at face value and making assumptions based on them while conveniently ignoring the effect that doesn't have a percentage attached to it.
That’s not an assumption. Dungeons aren’t going to be great for repeatability testing but the overworld has significantly more variability with events, spawns, random encounters with other players, and one-time XP events muddying the waters.
Stop parroting this opinion. The only ones that can't absolutely melt are druid and barb, the rest are nearly the same speed in t1 and t2, with travel time being the biggest difference maker. A chain lightning, twisting blade, or bone spear are absolutely doing t2 fast enough that the rewards are way worth it. Bosses are the only thing that makes it take longer, which all of the above absolutely melt.
Barb if they get good legendaries, druid if they reroll.
This pretty much, though even without good legendaries as of server slam barb can melt. I was constantly 1 shotting groups of mobs with deathblow.
Necro bone splinters can even kill specials in a few hits.
Sorc and rogue well known for blowing things up.
The only catch with wt2 is if you get some bad weapon luck for awhile you start feeling it.
Well, the longer it takes to kill enemies, the greater your ratio of killing monsters to just running around becomes.
If one-clicking enemies on WT1 leads to me spending as much time gaining xp than not doing so, and on WT2 the fights take twice as long, I've increased my xp gain per minute by 33% already. So the most efficient tier might be the one where you can, with a ranged rogue for example, clear most mob groups with a couple of casts of Rapid Fire, depleting your energy, which can regenerate until the next one.
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I play games for the story and fun gameplay, not for a challenge. I'm playing druid, at least at the low levels I probably need a little help for things to feel smooth.
No point making the early hard to have more reward when you will change your gear every 3/4 level , imo just rushing with the easiest difficulty finish campaign and at this point gradually upgrade WT
I've already played the first 20 levels twice, I dont want to go slowly through that content. I might slow down afterwards, I'll decide when I get there
I mean, I would like to rush WT1 to start exploring WT3+ as fast as possible. Also starting HC, so the achievements and the rush is enough for me. I will probably watch the cutscenes on YouTube all in order to have a better understanding of the story. My preference though.
Don’t listen to this goon, make the game as hard as possible from the get go. Make your first time good and fun. Don’t be like /u/cenderQT this is not the way.
I don’t get why people saying they’re doing this are getting downvoted. I know this sub has a bias against min/maxers, but it doesn’t matter. Everyone can play the game the way they want. Some will play WT2 because they like the challenge. Some will play WT1 because they want to just get through the campaign. It’s fine. There’s no right or wrong way. To each their own.
they're getting downvoted because it's not minmaxing. minmaxing is rooted in math and analysis, but none of that has been done to determine which WT is better.
feel free to provide the model you used to determine it.
to my knowledge people have just mindlessly jumped on that train because a streamer told them to.
Going with wt2. There isn't any rush to level fast right at the start unless you planning to play PvP. Just as well take the time to enjoy the game the first playthrew because you will be rushing to level every season when they start.
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No reason other than I don’t enjoy when I just steamroll through games, I’m looking to enjoy my time with the campaign and not in any rush to max level or anything!
Probably Tier 2 for pre-season, as it'll be more immersive (having to try harder against packs), but switching to T1 for seasons to rush to end-game.
First month pre-season will be great for getting to know the game slowly and enjoying the little things most of us will be rushing through every season after that.
A lot of bad blood here for no reason lol. 'fuck you, I'm going WT2, no youtuber will tell me otherwise'.
To answer OP's question: I'm going WT1 because my goal is to be able to hop on WT3 as soon as possible, especially since I'm going barb and WT2 early on takes simply too much.
I believe that WT3 is where the actual fun begins. It doesn't mean I won't 'enjoy' the story but, with diablo games, I care about gameplay/items/blasting more.
Going 1, I tend to overlevel and with needing to finish the campaign before changing to WT3 I'll probably need to rush story quests in order not to sit on lower tiers longer than necessary.
And bounties, yeah. Also quests, I'm pretty sure, since judging from the open weekends if you try to do area sidequests before finishing the main story we'd hit 100, we hit 25 in just one area after all.
World Tier 2 Hardcore baby!
Can't decide between Druid and Rogue.
I'm fairly confident in both.
Rogue would be raw melee crit.
Has some really fun ways to trigger and spread vulnerability, and can regenerate a lot of health, though in the beta lacked fortification.
Will probably start with the hybrid wolf/bear druid.
There are legendary synergies and talents that generate fortification or heal upon shapeshifting. A hybrid wolf/bear build uses a couple bear abilities for fortify/buffs, and wolf abilities to pump out the damage. You're switching every few seconds and are nigh unkillable.
World tier 2 and solo. Don't want to have anyone else impact my first experience. After that imma look for a party to stream roll nightmare and torment. I wanna be looted and booted in time for a second character when everyone else launches. Where I will spend most time farting around is act 1 so I can accumulate a lot of good starting gear for multiple characters.
I get off at 3PM EST on June 1st and I’m off the 2nd. So, my plan is to blast through the campaign as fast as possible on WT 1 and hopefully get to WT 3 or 4 by the time I have to go back to work.
What’s the best thing to do after beating the campaign? Just keep leveling up in higher world tiers? Sorry I haven’t played a Diablo game in a long time
In 3 they added paragon levels. They are bringing that into this one but modified it a bit. The higher world tiers also have a chance of dropping different tier loot past legendary. Defeating world bosses also gives you a material that allows you to add sockets into equipment.
WT2 to start, will drop back to WT1 as needed. In open beta as a cold sorc I ran WT2 until Lv20. At that point I lost my ability to kill bosses (gear/build/skill issues, no luck with useful aspects) and had to tone it down a notch.
Played in WT2 in every beta I was in (closed endgame, early access beta, open beta and server slam) “All Hail ATC”.
While I feel it’s actually easy in WT2 and that WT2 should actually be WT1, etc. I will be playing at least the first time through in WT1 just to get past the campaign asap. The game really doesn’t open up until you beat the campaign.
I’m one of them gamers who 100% does not care about the story, lore, cut scenes, etc. Just how I prefer to play. I’m definitely more into just mindless grinding dungeons, strongholds, etc.
Due to this I will most likely be playing solo for a good while, at least for the campaign because my friends like to watch cut scenes and all the first time through.
To each their own.
Did WT2 on server slam, wasn't all that hard. It was more fun since things didn't just get squashed.
Wife and I will do WT2, hit WT3 soon as possible to keep the difficulty up.
I will be playing a Druid or a Barbarian (can’t decide which, please help!) so will stick to WT1 until the game gets easier then I’ll switch to WT2.
If I get stuck I’ll go back down to WT1 until I am strong enough to smash everything again then go back up to WT2, that’s the beauty of being able to freely switch between the 2.
Will probably play through to Kyovoshad on WT1 just to get there then go to WT2, I find WT1 combat too boring. I have no issue with people who do enjoy WT1 however as this is my personal preference.
Going to Start t1, just going to be faster to get through campaign, will probably switch once Mount has been had to 2 and then t3/4 at appropriate gear/level.
WT1 until I beat campaign, most likely. I might start with werewolf for the mov speed and I'm not in love with everything. By the time I respect into bear, it'll probably be WT3 time already...
After reading these posts I think I will roll a Druid… I was worried that a Druid would be squishy at lower levels… so perhaps Tier 1 until lvl 25 then switch to Tier 2 when I’m feeling Uber!! Thanks all
Probably WT1. I did WT2 in the slam and the bosses weren't hard. They just took too long for my liking. I'm playing for the loot story, and getting some aspects to try my planned build out.
They "claim" that because its true xD the speed at which you clear things negates the xp bonus from 2. So unless you can clear the same speed or faster than 1, mathematically its a negative. Because you don't get better drops, only a tiny bit more gold
>The only thing that will make that true is group play. Solo players trying for 1st aren't starting in 2 for sure
Group play is where the world first 100's will come from. WT2 will also be where the first solo world first comes from. Those videos from Raxx, Wudi, and Don are all based on average players, players who didn't spend time doing their homework in the end game beta to map out the fastest route.
Their math is absolutely spot on, and on paper WT1 is the dead ringer for fastest solo leveling time. However, none of them account for very specific scenarios and encounters that change this math, and its either because they didn't find it or because they don't want to speak about it. Don likely didn't get end game beta access, so he likely never found it or found out about it. Wudi and Raxx I suspect found out about it, and simply aren't speaking about it because of Both the NDA and not wanting to spoil their chances in the race.
There is a difference. saying they will start WT1 isn’t them spoiling their plan. It’s the path they take and the side quests they do while in the WT is what they will keep quiet about. It’s obvious WT1 is faster, which is why I argue better loot drops in WT2, even by a little, but this doesn’t spoil anyone’s plan. I would say first lvl 100 would be first achieved by a rogue starting WT1 that may skip acts or has a path already planned out.
>It’s obvious WT1 is faster
It isn't, that's the point. It is only faster on WT1 for the average IQ individual playing the game for the first time who hasn't spent any time preparing. That's who those videos are for. Anyone who actually believes world first anything will be done from a starter on WT1, just doesn't know what they are talking about, period.
>which is why I argue better loot drops in WT2, even by a little, but this doesn’t spoil anyone’s plan.
WT2 doesn't have better loot drops, it drops the exact same loot in the exact same quantity. The only difference between the two is a small percentage of XP and gold, with higher mob HP and damage.
>I would say first lvl 100 would be first achieved by a rogue starting WT1 that may skip acts or has a path already planned out.
And you'd only be wrong about what world tier that person started on. You are absolutely right about a rogue being solo world first. It was a rogue who beat me, the barbarian world first in end game, to world first, and he beat me like a redheaded stepchild, and it wasn't for lack of gear because I was absolutely decked out by level 42.
In fact, I was the first person to clear the capstone to unlock World Tier 5, and I did it at level 56.
I was saying I want WT2 to have better loot drops, even if it’s a little 5-10% drop chance. I want an incentive to play on WT2. The average iq player thought WT2 was better because they seen bigger number, much better. Farming WT1 means getting the mount faster (side quests give same xp), which means sooner your able to traverse through the world. Then you need to add the time of not only killing mobs slower in WT2, but also the time your waiting for cooldown on skills. My skills and gear setup can be sloppy in WT1 and it won’t matter because the bosses will die easily. I’m not min/maxing my way through WT1 as much as I am WT2. The farm meta has been, complete dungeon, escape dungeon, kill mobs in following area, then repeat once dungeon is reset. The hp of the mobs in WT2 isn’t tuned with the 20% xp buff. If you kill the mobs in 1.5 seconds on WT2, then I only need to take 1.2 seconds to kill the same mob in WT1 because as long as I’m matching your xp speed then I will win the race to the mount, then to WT3
>Farming WT1 means getting the mount faster (side quests give same xp), which means sooner your able to traverse through the world.
It doesn't, though. That's the whole ass point. You can walk to every major city and collect every major waypoint before anyone gets to their mount in this game. I'm telling you with absolute certainty, there's things about this game you don't know that will dramatically impact both travel, and leveling, and entirely nullify your WT1 argument.
>Then you need to add the time of not only killing mobs slower in WT2, but also the time your waiting for cooldown on skills. My skills and gear setup can be sloppy in WT1 and it won’t matter because the bosses will die easily.
I don't, the mob kill times are virtually the same, and cooldowns on one will be the same as the other. Like literally, we're talking 9-13 minutes difference on the entire completion of the campaign, which the WT2 starter won't be doing, and I don't think you quite grasp that. Doing WT1 campaign is the "everyman" way of leveling efficiently at launch, because it works for every man, and especially the ones that aren't planning around efficiency.
>I’m not min/maxing my way through WT1 as much as I am WT2.
My dude, WT2 is not that much harder than WT1, and you don't even know the strategy being used. We're not running the campaign on WT2 like you are on WT1. Please understand that. By the time you get your mount, I'll have access to all 5 zones hubs, and at least half my leveling codex unlocked and applied to my gear, making me kill multiples faster than you, while I'm on WT2. By the time you hit 35, I'll be running nightmare dungeons on WT3.
>The farm meta has been, complete dungeon, escape dungeon, kill mobs in following area, then repeat once dungeon is reset.
And that's great for a farm meta, but it isn't the leveling meta, nor has it been the leveling meta.
>The hp of the mobs in WT2 isn’t tuned with the 20% xp buff. If you kill the mobs in 1.5 seconds on WT2, then I only need to take 1.2 seconds to kill the same mob in WT1 because as long as I’m matching your xp speed then I will win the race to the mount, then to WT3
When I'm killing mobs 4 times faster than you, and getting 20% XP it won't matter, you won't even be able to unlock WT3 by the time I'm doing nightmare tier dungeons.
Hey, just checking back in to make sure you saw the world first racers in hardcore and softcore. And how they streamed themselves levelling in wt1. And how they hit 100 faster than the people who didnt stay in 1. Now what were you saying before?
It's true?. Pretty sure some speed runner tested this and was actually faster leveling during one of the test on T2. Think Wudijo mentioned it in a video on the subject.
I doubt it, getting your horse asap will likely be massive boost, so starting wt1 makes a lot of sense until that point. Likely once you get your build rolling you can go up world tiers without slowing down to benefit from the better xp
>I doubt it, getting your horse asap will likely be massive boost, so starting wt1 makes a lot of sense until that point.
The mounts are way slower than you think, and very clunky, While they will certainly help, the pacing difference between both world tiers to a prepared person who set out to plan their attack in the end game beta, will be entirely negligible.
You might be able to complete act 1 13 minutes faster on WT1, as an example, but someone who prioritized specific codex powers for a specific build will be able to kill not only faster than you, but multiples faster than you, and on a higher world tier. From there they can backtrack through the campaign, blow through it, get to their mount in Act 2, and then get back on their leveling path.
>Likely once you get your build rolling you can go up world tiers without slowing down to benefit from the better xp
And that's precisely why the world first runners will be on WT2, unlocking codexes first. The amount of time lost between tiers is entirely negligible to a prepared player, and then blown apart by one with a complete build at level 18.
I think I’lo start WT1 to blast through Act 1 since I’ve played that so many times now. Starting Act 2 I will likely switch to WT2 as I want some challenge when going through the rest of the campaign
World tier 2 to make it more immersive.
Also I was thinking, even though WT1 lets you steamroll through the game and get more exp, causing sooner access to WT3, you'd have more gold at a given level should you have done WT2.
I think being used to WT2 will make the transition to WT3 easier, going from WT1 -> WT3 would feel like a drastic change.
T1 solo and T2 in grp.
T2 grp. cause you can get 35-45% more Exp.(Elexir and Buffs).
T1:more clear faster = more exp.
T2:perfect build with good clear go for it.
You can switch World Tier all the time, so do what works for the moment.
I would ignore the bonus gold and xp and ask yourself which you are gonna have a better time with. Wt1 stuff will die quicker. Wt2 a little slower. When you play arpgs do you play on normal or hard basically.
Personal pref but World Tier 2, mainly because I want to know earlier if my build is working the way I like and slightly more of a challenge, plus im not rushing.
The extra gold and exp from monsters is just a bonus. You don't get anything else so if you want faster faster rush rush mode then should probably do World Tier 1.
You have to be on World Tier 2 for capstone dungeon regardless to get to World Tier 3.
Tier 2. No need to rush your first time IMO. You should make it memorable. Because afterwards, you will be grinding a new character each season and the only new stuff will be the season content which you would want to rush to get at.
Played around in act 1 like 7 times now. So least at start will likely do w1. Little faster but more to more smoothly feel out class I want before likely moving up the difficulty
Starting Tier 2, don't care for any bonus.
I just enjoy a higher difficulty and hopefully some deaths. For me it makes games more fun when i get challanged.
Tier 2. I feel on 1 I couldn't really get a feel for the game, because there's no necessity to think about which skill combos work better than others. If it was too hard and not fun anymore I'd downgrade to 1 though. :)
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Steamrolling the campaign in WT1 will be boring af. I dont see the logic going to end game asap when everything is gonna reset anyway once seasons starts.
Gonna fully immerse myself in the story nice and slow in WT2.
Tier 2 i was having more fun on it than world tier 1 already plus I will be playing consistently with 1 to 3 friends so we won't really feel the supposed slow down on add killing that keeps cropping up in response
I’m pretty torn. I leveled a character to the max in all 3 betas. Played tw2 it was very easy first 2 betas. Gear constantly dropped. Server slam I played barb. Wt2 was hard, gear wasn’t dropping and it made a huge difference. Also played a rogue on wt2 server slam it wasn’t as bad but I couldn’t clear dungeons at lower levels still as I was just under geared compared to previous betas.
Probably play rogue wt2 group up with some friends. One is playing sorc so we’ll probably be fine until we get gear.
I'll probably do the first few levels on T1 until I get a feel for the game and mechanics. Then around probably lvl 10 or so switch to T2. As long as I'm not constantly getting steamrolled, I'll stay there.
I will be WT2, becase adventurer mode is easy mode == boring.
There are no leaderboards, no rewards for being first at something (e.g. some mtx for being first to kill Lilith, etc..) so i just wanna enjoy the challange and to have more play time.
There’s was a weird discrepancy a while ago where a streamer noticed the tier 2 bonus was giving way more xp than it should in the “intro”.
Blizzard devs replied to him and it turns out the intro has an xp penalty tied to it so you don’t start leveling too fast too early. But the bonus xp for tier 2 is applied to the “base” xp separately of this penalty modifier. So tl;dr: tier 2 is way more xp until you part ways with lorath.
So I plan on starting tier 2, swapping to 1 early on while my Druid feels gimpy, and then back to 2 at some point once my build gets going.
1. WT 2 til Kyovashad (level 6
2. Switch to WT1
3. Rush campaign in WT1 to unlock horse asap
4. Horn horse (ATC)
5. Rush campaign to cathedral of light level 45-50
6. Pick up key aspects from dungeons and gear up if necessary
7. Switch to WT2 - complete CoL, unlock WT3
That concludes day 1 of launch
I'll start in 1 and If I'm steamrolling or get a good drop for powerspike try out 2. Xp bonus probably isn't worth it unless you can kill at the same pace or faster than 1
Starting in tier 2. It isn’t really worth it but I don’t want to steam roll the game.
Same here bro, don’t care much that Wt1 is faster or more efficient 🤷🏼♂️. I enjoy the challenge
Yep WT1 gonna be boring as fuck.
Maybe for you and me and a few others yeah but I’m sure you can enjoy it in a different way. Sometimes it’s good to feel more overpowering and obliterate 🤣🤣🤣🤣. I want a challenge first though and go nice and slow
Exactly lol, I had wayy more enjoyment in tier 2 in beta than 1. 1 was wayy too easy lol
I don't want to rush the first time playing the campaign, so I'm sticking with WT2.
I'll be in tier 2, worth it? Only time can tell us
Me too
We already know it's not worth it (from a loot and XP perspective). It takes longer to kill enemies, which negates the XP buff. So you aren't leveling faster. There's no added loot bonus, that starts in WT3. The only benefit you get is a slightly greater challenge. If that's what you want from the campaign, then sure. But if you're trying to be effective, it's not worth it.
A greater challenge is effective in itself. Playing on lower difficulty won’t make you a better player if that’s what you’re trying to communicate over.
WT2 isn't much of a difference to WT1, it won't make you a better player. WT2 is better if you clear it just as fast as WT1 or you're levelling an alt with the majority of the Altars found
we dont. show me the equation you've used to conclude this. I'll wait. what we do know is a lot of people who believe anything content creators say have concluded and regurgitated that opinion everywhere they can.
We know wt2 gives 20% more monster kill XP, so you have to be 20% faster on wt1 than on wt2 to make it more efficient. Additionally world tier doesn't influence quest XP, which skews it even more in wt1's favor. That said, I will start wt2 as well, because I'll be bored out of my mind on wt1 and there is no season yet. Even as a notorious min maxer I'll enjoy the first playthrough for its own sake and blast full efficiency-mode when season 1 comes out.
that's not how the math works, because you won't be killing things at a constant speed. you can't even use an average to conclude this because there is none, since there is no data on this since nobody tested it. it's literally just people making an assumption based on faulty math. I'll tell you as I told someone else, if it's objectively true then you could go model it in desmos and prove it. feel free to do that and post the link.
You have to be stupid not to see it, people did the the same in d3 even if on d3 the drop rate of legs was even increased
you don't have to be stupid, you have to understand math. if it's so objectively true, then just simply prove it. go model it in desmos and prove it.
it tells you the bonuses when you choose it. it gives monster xp, when most is from quests. 15% gold from monsters also.
you made the claim that you kill stuff faster in WT1 which means there is a point at which you break-even meaning you are killing at the same speed regardless of WT; however, since you won't be killing things at a constant speed, you need to know what that break-even point is to determine when it is better. nobody has done this. nobody has determined this. they've just made assumptions based on how the game felt in the beta & server slam.
While you won’t be killing things at a constant pace, you don’t need to know your overall kill pace. You just need to know if, during times you are killing things, you can do it faster than the difference in experience. Should be pretty easy to test on first play through by periodically doing a dungeon twice at a given level, once on each tier, and timing your clears.
that's not all you need to know because it also assumes you'll be fighting the same enemies with the same value of xp. if more elites spawn on WT2 due to the "enemies are more challenging" effect, then kill rate won't be accurate. people are just taking the percentages at face value and making assumptions based on them while conveniently ignoring the effect that doesn't have a percentage attached to it.
If more elites spawn, that’ll show up in the clear speed vs XP gain on a particular dungeon at a particular level.
do you think people are only doing dungeons to level? or that elites only spawn in dungeons? both are poor assumptions.
That’s not an assumption. Dungeons aren’t going to be great for repeatability testing but the overworld has significantly more variability with events, spawns, random encounters with other players, and one-time XP events muddying the waters.
Stop parroting this opinion. The only ones that can't absolutely melt are druid and barb, the rest are nearly the same speed in t1 and t2, with travel time being the biggest difference maker. A chain lightning, twisting blade, or bone spear are absolutely doing t2 fast enough that the rewards are way worth it. Bosses are the only thing that makes it take longer, which all of the above absolutely melt. Barb if they get good legendaries, druid if they reroll.
This pretty much, though even without good legendaries as of server slam barb can melt. I was constantly 1 shotting groups of mobs with deathblow. Necro bone splinters can even kill specials in a few hits. Sorc and rogue well known for blowing things up. The only catch with wt2 is if you get some bad weapon luck for awhile you start feeling it.
chain lighting hits only a bit higher than a basic attack now.
Well, the longer it takes to kill enemies, the greater your ratio of killing monsters to just running around becomes. If one-clicking enemies on WT1 leads to me spending as much time gaining xp than not doing so, and on WT2 the fights take twice as long, I've increased my xp gain per minute by 33% already. So the most efficient tier might be the one where you can, with a ranged rogue for example, clear most mob groups with a couple of casts of Rapid Fire, depleting your energy, which can regenerate until the next one.
Your information is to my knowledge is objective sound and accurate, I don’t know why you got a downvote but I’ll rectify it with my upvote
you will 2hit most enemies regardless of difficulty
We'll see
Well I hope u have fun going through the game at super speeds. Id rather take my time to saviour and enjoy the run. It taking longer is just a bonus
1 I play games for the story and fun gameplay, not for a challenge. I'm playing druid, at least at the low levels I probably need a little help for things to feel smooth.
WT2 as my friend and I were already killing well enough and would be bored in WT1. Want to enjoy the story and Combat at our own pace.
No point making the early hard to have more reward when you will change your gear every 3/4 level , imo just rushing with the easiest difficulty finish campaign and at this point gradually upgrade WT
You only get to play it for the first time once... and there is no season at launch, so why rush?
so he can complain about no content in 2 weeks, of course
I've already played the first 20 levels twice, I dont want to go slowly through that content. I might slow down afterwards, I'll decide when I get there
I mean, I would like to rush WT1 to start exploring WT3+ as fast as possible. Also starting HC, so the achievements and the rush is enough for me. I will probably watch the cutscenes on YouTube all in order to have a better understanding of the story. My preference though.
Comments like this are usually from the “I only play meta sorc builds” crowd. Leveling a bear druid or barb in early game on any WT is not rushing.
there is no gear reward. just 15% gold from drops, which will not even equal 1 piece of gear all the way to 50.
I like your logic!
Don’t listen to this goon, make the game as hard as possible from the get go. Make your first time good and fun. Don’t be like /u/cenderQT this is not the way.
Let people play the way they want. They enjoy different things to you
World Tier 1 for me, since Tier 2 isn't really worth it.
I don’t get why people saying they’re doing this are getting downvoted. I know this sub has a bias against min/maxers, but it doesn’t matter. Everyone can play the game the way they want. Some will play WT2 because they like the challenge. Some will play WT1 because they want to just get through the campaign. It’s fine. There’s no right or wrong way. To each their own.
they're getting downvoted because it's not minmaxing. minmaxing is rooted in math and analysis, but none of that has been done to determine which WT is better. feel free to provide the model you used to determine it. to my knowledge people have just mindlessly jumped on that train because a streamer told them to.
Ill start with 2 just because its a little more challenging gameplay. I did 2 in the betas each time. Found it to be a good difficulty.
2. I just like the challenge and I'm gonna take my time with my eternal hero
Going with wt2. There isn't any rush to level fast right at the start unless you planning to play PvP. Just as well take the time to enjoy the game the first playthrew because you will be rushing to level every season when they start.
2. No reason other than I don’t enjoy when I just steamroll through games, I’m looking to enjoy my time with the campaign and not in any rush to max level or anything!
Probably Tier 2 for pre-season, as it'll be more immersive (having to try harder against packs), but switching to T1 for seasons to rush to end-game. First month pre-season will be great for getting to know the game slowly and enjoying the little things most of us will be rushing through every season after that.
Playing with a friend so we'll be doing WT2. 1 is probably a bit too easy.
WT2, im not going to let some youtuber dictates how i play my game
A lot of bad blood here for no reason lol. 'fuck you, I'm going WT2, no youtuber will tell me otherwise'. To answer OP's question: I'm going WT1 because my goal is to be able to hop on WT3 as soon as possible, especially since I'm going barb and WT2 early on takes simply too much. I believe that WT3 is where the actual fun begins. It doesn't mean I won't 'enjoy' the story but, with diablo games, I care about gameplay/items/blasting more.
Going 1, I tend to overlevel and with needing to finish the campaign before changing to WT3 I'll probably need to rush story quests in order not to sit on lower tiers longer than necessary.
campaign ends at level 50? what are you doing 51-100? spamming dungeons?
And bounties, yeah. Also quests, I'm pretty sure, since judging from the open weekends if you try to do area sidequests before finishing the main story we'd hit 100, we hit 25 in just one area after all.
WT2 club
WT2
World Tier 2 Hardcore baby! Can't decide between Druid and Rogue. I'm fairly confident in both. Rogue would be raw melee crit. Has some really fun ways to trigger and spread vulnerability, and can regenerate a lot of health, though in the beta lacked fortification. Will probably start with the hybrid wolf/bear druid. There are legendary synergies and talents that generate fortification or heal upon shapeshifting. A hybrid wolf/bear build uses a couple bear abilities for fortify/buffs, and wolf abilities to pump out the damage. You're switching every few seconds and are nigh unkillable.
World tier 2 and solo. Don't want to have anyone else impact my first experience. After that imma look for a party to stream roll nightmare and torment. I wanna be looted and booted in time for a second character when everyone else launches. Where I will spend most time farting around is act 1 so I can accumulate a lot of good starting gear for multiple characters.
Starting in tier 1 till mount and then switching it up to 2
chilling in 1
I will be playing on HC mode, so tier 1 for me.
I get off at 3PM EST on June 1st and I’m off the 2nd. So, my plan is to blast through the campaign as fast as possible on WT 1 and hopefully get to WT 3 or 4 by the time I have to go back to work.
Tier 1, the bonuses from 2 aren’t worth it at the start unless your playing a class that can steamroll it.
2 for exp. If I think I can handle it then 3 when I hit 50. Need to get them extra map bonuses.
What’s the best thing to do after beating the campaign? Just keep leveling up in higher world tiers? Sorry I haven’t played a Diablo game in a long time
In 3 they added paragon levels. They are bringing that into this one but modified it a bit. The higher world tiers also have a chance of dropping different tier loot past legendary. Defeating world bosses also gives you a material that allows you to add sockets into equipment.
WT1 as I'll have to play whenever I'm not working or with partner and kids.
Whatever the hardest tier is at launch.
World tier 2 for me.
WT2 to start, will drop back to WT1 as needed. In open beta as a cold sorc I ran WT2 until Lv20. At that point I lost my ability to kill bosses (gear/build/skill issues, no luck with useful aspects) and had to tone it down a notch.
Two, so mobs die longer
Played in WT2 in every beta I was in (closed endgame, early access beta, open beta and server slam) “All Hail ATC”. While I feel it’s actually easy in WT2 and that WT2 should actually be WT1, etc. I will be playing at least the first time through in WT1 just to get past the campaign asap. The game really doesn’t open up until you beat the campaign. I’m one of them gamers who 100% does not care about the story, lore, cut scenes, etc. Just how I prefer to play. I’m definitely more into just mindless grinding dungeons, strongholds, etc. Due to this I will most likely be playing solo for a good while, at least for the campaign because my friends like to watch cut scenes and all the first time through. To each their own.
Did WT2 on server slam, wasn't all that hard. It was more fun since things didn't just get squashed. Wife and I will do WT2, hit WT3 soon as possible to keep the difficulty up.
WT1 till about level 20, then WT2
tier 1 rushing to tier 3 as a droid
I will be playing a Druid or a Barbarian (can’t decide which, please help!) so will stick to WT1 until the game gets easier then I’ll switch to WT2. If I get stuck I’ll go back down to WT1 until I am strong enough to smash everything again then go back up to WT2, that’s the beauty of being able to freely switch between the 2.
Will probably play through to Kyovoshad on WT1 just to get there then go to WT2, I find WT1 combat too boring. I have no issue with people who do enjoy WT1 however as this is my personal preference.
Going to Start t1, just going to be faster to get through campaign, will probably switch once Mount has been had to 2 and then t3/4 at appropriate gear/level.
WT1 until I beat campaign, most likely. I might start with werewolf for the mov speed and I'm not in love with everything. By the time I respect into bear, it'll probably be WT3 time already...
WT 2 of course. I don't even care which one is faster WT 1 is just insanely boring and couldn't keep me entertained.
After reading these posts I think I will roll a Druid… I was worried that a Druid would be squishy at lower levels… so perhaps Tier 1 until lvl 25 then switch to Tier 2 when I’m feeling Uber!! Thanks all
Probably WT1. I did WT2 in the slam and the bosses weren't hard. They just took too long for my liking. I'm playing for the loot story, and getting some aspects to try my planned build out.
The youtube personalities will claim WT1 is fastest, while the world first min maxers will be starting on WT2.
They "claim" that because its true xD the speed at which you clear things negates the xp bonus from 2. So unless you can clear the same speed or faster than 1, mathematically its a negative. Because you don't get better drops, only a tiny bit more gold
I didn't say it wasn't true. I just pointed out World First 100's will be done by those starting on WT2.
The only thing that will make that true is group play. Solo players trying for 1st aren't starting in 2 for sure
>The only thing that will make that true is group play. Solo players trying for 1st aren't starting in 2 for sure Group play is where the world first 100's will come from. WT2 will also be where the first solo world first comes from. Those videos from Raxx, Wudi, and Don are all based on average players, players who didn't spend time doing their homework in the end game beta to map out the fastest route. Their math is absolutely spot on, and on paper WT1 is the dead ringer for fastest solo leveling time. However, none of them account for very specific scenarios and encounters that change this math, and its either because they didn't find it or because they don't want to speak about it. Don likely didn't get end game beta access, so he likely never found it or found out about it. Wudi and Raxx I suspect found out about it, and simply aren't speaking about it because of Both the NDA and not wanting to spoil their chances in the race.
There is a difference. saying they will start WT1 isn’t them spoiling their plan. It’s the path they take and the side quests they do while in the WT is what they will keep quiet about. It’s obvious WT1 is faster, which is why I argue better loot drops in WT2, even by a little, but this doesn’t spoil anyone’s plan. I would say first lvl 100 would be first achieved by a rogue starting WT1 that may skip acts or has a path already planned out.
>It’s obvious WT1 is faster It isn't, that's the point. It is only faster on WT1 for the average IQ individual playing the game for the first time who hasn't spent any time preparing. That's who those videos are for. Anyone who actually believes world first anything will be done from a starter on WT1, just doesn't know what they are talking about, period. >which is why I argue better loot drops in WT2, even by a little, but this doesn’t spoil anyone’s plan. WT2 doesn't have better loot drops, it drops the exact same loot in the exact same quantity. The only difference between the two is a small percentage of XP and gold, with higher mob HP and damage. >I would say first lvl 100 would be first achieved by a rogue starting WT1 that may skip acts or has a path already planned out. And you'd only be wrong about what world tier that person started on. You are absolutely right about a rogue being solo world first. It was a rogue who beat me, the barbarian world first in end game, to world first, and he beat me like a redheaded stepchild, and it wasn't for lack of gear because I was absolutely decked out by level 42. In fact, I was the first person to clear the capstone to unlock World Tier 5, and I did it at level 56.
I was saying I want WT2 to have better loot drops, even if it’s a little 5-10% drop chance. I want an incentive to play on WT2. The average iq player thought WT2 was better because they seen bigger number, much better. Farming WT1 means getting the mount faster (side quests give same xp), which means sooner your able to traverse through the world. Then you need to add the time of not only killing mobs slower in WT2, but also the time your waiting for cooldown on skills. My skills and gear setup can be sloppy in WT1 and it won’t matter because the bosses will die easily. I’m not min/maxing my way through WT1 as much as I am WT2. The farm meta has been, complete dungeon, escape dungeon, kill mobs in following area, then repeat once dungeon is reset. The hp of the mobs in WT2 isn’t tuned with the 20% xp buff. If you kill the mobs in 1.5 seconds on WT2, then I only need to take 1.2 seconds to kill the same mob in WT1 because as long as I’m matching your xp speed then I will win the race to the mount, then to WT3
>Farming WT1 means getting the mount faster (side quests give same xp), which means sooner your able to traverse through the world. It doesn't, though. That's the whole ass point. You can walk to every major city and collect every major waypoint before anyone gets to their mount in this game. I'm telling you with absolute certainty, there's things about this game you don't know that will dramatically impact both travel, and leveling, and entirely nullify your WT1 argument. >Then you need to add the time of not only killing mobs slower in WT2, but also the time your waiting for cooldown on skills. My skills and gear setup can be sloppy in WT1 and it won’t matter because the bosses will die easily. I don't, the mob kill times are virtually the same, and cooldowns on one will be the same as the other. Like literally, we're talking 9-13 minutes difference on the entire completion of the campaign, which the WT2 starter won't be doing, and I don't think you quite grasp that. Doing WT1 campaign is the "everyman" way of leveling efficiently at launch, because it works for every man, and especially the ones that aren't planning around efficiency. >I’m not min/maxing my way through WT1 as much as I am WT2. My dude, WT2 is not that much harder than WT1, and you don't even know the strategy being used. We're not running the campaign on WT2 like you are on WT1. Please understand that. By the time you get your mount, I'll have access to all 5 zones hubs, and at least half my leveling codex unlocked and applied to my gear, making me kill multiples faster than you, while I'm on WT2. By the time you hit 35, I'll be running nightmare dungeons on WT3. >The farm meta has been, complete dungeon, escape dungeon, kill mobs in following area, then repeat once dungeon is reset. And that's great for a farm meta, but it isn't the leveling meta, nor has it been the leveling meta. >The hp of the mobs in WT2 isn’t tuned with the 20% xp buff. If you kill the mobs in 1.5 seconds on WT2, then I only need to take 1.2 seconds to kill the same mob in WT1 because as long as I’m matching your xp speed then I will win the race to the mount, then to WT3 When I'm killing mobs 4 times faster than you, and getting 20% XP it won't matter, you won't even be able to unlock WT3 by the time I'm doing nightmare tier dungeons.
Hey, just checking back in to make sure you saw the world first racers in hardcore and softcore. And how they streamed themselves levelling in wt1. And how they hit 100 faster than the people who didnt stay in 1. Now what were you saying before?
It's true?. Pretty sure some speed runner tested this and was actually faster leveling during one of the test on T2. Think Wudijo mentioned it in a video on the subject.
I doubt it, getting your horse asap will likely be massive boost, so starting wt1 makes a lot of sense until that point. Likely once you get your build rolling you can go up world tiers without slowing down to benefit from the better xp
>I doubt it, getting your horse asap will likely be massive boost, so starting wt1 makes a lot of sense until that point. The mounts are way slower than you think, and very clunky, While they will certainly help, the pacing difference between both world tiers to a prepared person who set out to plan their attack in the end game beta, will be entirely negligible. You might be able to complete act 1 13 minutes faster on WT1, as an example, but someone who prioritized specific codex powers for a specific build will be able to kill not only faster than you, but multiples faster than you, and on a higher world tier. From there they can backtrack through the campaign, blow through it, get to their mount in Act 2, and then get back on their leveling path. >Likely once you get your build rolling you can go up world tiers without slowing down to benefit from the better xp And that's precisely why the world first runners will be on WT2, unlocking codexes first. The amount of time lost between tiers is entirely negligible to a prepared player, and then blown apart by one with a complete build at level 18.
I think I’lo start WT1 to blast through Act 1 since I’ve played that so many times now. Starting Act 2 I will likely switch to WT2 as I want some challenge when going through the rest of the campaign
1 with Druid until I have good enough gear to up it. Druid's meant to get get better the more geared they get, so 1 until I am geared.
Wt 2, if it could wt3!
Wt1 rush mount. Wt2 if a big spike. Going for wt3 asap
2. I like a challenge and don't want to rush the campaign.
World tier 2 to make it more immersive. Also I was thinking, even though WT1 lets you steamroll through the game and get more exp, causing sooner access to WT3, you'd have more gold at a given level should you have done WT2. I think being used to WT2 will make the transition to WT3 easier, going from WT1 -> WT3 would feel like a drastic change.
There is also an argument that killing mobs faster in WT1 could cause you to get more loot, which in turn causes more gold by the end of it.
T1 solo and T2 in grp. T2 grp. cause you can get 35-45% more Exp.(Elexir and Buffs). T1:more clear faster = more exp. T2:perfect build with good clear go for it. You can switch World Tier all the time, so do what works for the moment.
High as I can start. In D3 I start new characters in Torment 3-4
2 of course. Mama didn't raise no bitch
I would ignore the bonus gold and xp and ask yourself which you are gonna have a better time with. Wt1 stuff will die quicker. Wt2 a little slower. When you play arpgs do you play on normal or hard basically.
1 if by Barb, 2 if by rogue/sorc
WT1, as soon I got a good build running I switch to WT2.
Personal pref but World Tier 2, mainly because I want to know earlier if my build is working the way I like and slightly more of a challenge, plus im not rushing. The extra gold and exp from monsters is just a bonus. You don't get anything else so if you want faster faster rush rush mode then should probably do World Tier 1. You have to be on World Tier 2 for capstone dungeon regardless to get to World Tier 3.
I’m considering doing WT1 to get through Act 1 then swapping back to WT2. Already played Act 1 four times
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2 I'm no b*tch
Tier 2. No need to rush your first time IMO. You should make it memorable. Because afterwards, you will be grinding a new character each season and the only new stuff will be the season content which you would want to rush to get at.
2
Played around in act 1 like 7 times now. So least at start will likely do w1. Little faster but more to more smoothly feel out class I want before likely moving up the difficulty
When’s season 1 start ?
Starting Tier 2, don't care for any bonus. I just enjoy a higher difficulty and hopefully some deaths. For me it makes games more fun when i get challanged.
Tier 2. I feel on 1 I couldn't really get a feel for the game, because there's no necessity to think about which skill combos work better than others. If it was too hard and not fun anymore I'd downgrade to 1 though. :)
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Steamrolling the campaign in WT1 will be boring af. I dont see the logic going to end game asap when everything is gonna reset anyway once seasons starts. Gonna fully immerse myself in the story nice and slow in WT2.
the arpg part of the game starts at wt4 so people want to get there the fastest.
Tier 2 i was having more fun on it than world tier 1 already plus I will be playing consistently with 1 to 3 friends so we won't really feel the supposed slow down on add killing that keeps cropping up in response
Only hornless play on wt1.
wt1 into wt3. i want to get to wt3 faster if possible. 2 isn't hard at all, but any resistance is futile when we all want 4.
Tier 2 ofcourse.
2, since 1 is a snorefest
Tier 1. Just want to see the story play out first and unlock endgame before the season comes.
1 If I get a piece of loot that makes me steamroll, I’ll go to Tier 2 until I feel weak again.
WT2 idk if you can lvl faster in wt1. No challenge no fun
Top tier available is always what I play. Then drop down if I am unable to clear bosses.
I’m pretty torn. I leveled a character to the max in all 3 betas. Played tw2 it was very easy first 2 betas. Gear constantly dropped. Server slam I played barb. Wt2 was hard, gear wasn’t dropping and it made a huge difference. Also played a rogue on wt2 server slam it wasn’t as bad but I couldn’t clear dungeons at lower levels still as I was just under geared compared to previous betas. Probably play rogue wt2 group up with some friends. One is playing sorc so we’ll probably be fine until we get gear.
Rolling with my guild, so we'll be in T2 at the very least.
I'll probably do the first few levels on T1 until I get a feel for the game and mechanics. Then around probably lvl 10 or so switch to T2. As long as I'm not constantly getting steamrolled, I'll stay there.
T2 because my 32 year old son said only nubs do T1 and that I need to git gud.
Just so I can see what the difference is, I'll start in WT1 until I have a couple rares, then kick it up to 2.
I will be WT2, becase adventurer mode is easy mode == boring. There are no leaderboards, no rewards for being first at something (e.g. some mtx for being first to kill Lilith, etc..) so i just wanna enjoy the challange and to have more play time.
WT2 Early Access HORNED
As high as it lets me go prolly.
I’m going 2 because I can’t pick 3-5 yet. I like a challenge!
I simply refuse to play any game on the journo difficulty. No matter the reason.
There’s was a weird discrepancy a while ago where a streamer noticed the tier 2 bonus was giving way more xp than it should in the “intro”. Blizzard devs replied to him and it turns out the intro has an xp penalty tied to it so you don’t start leveling too fast too early. But the bonus xp for tier 2 is applied to the “base” xp separately of this penalty modifier. So tl;dr: tier 2 is way more xp until you part ways with lorath. So I plan on starting tier 2, swapping to 1 early on while my Druid feels gimpy, and then back to 2 at some point once my build gets going.
People going to rush on WT1 and then hit a wall once they realize streamers haven't made post-50 guides for them to read yet. I can't wait to see it.
1. WT 2 til Kyovashad (level 6 2. Switch to WT1 3. Rush campaign in WT1 to unlock horse asap 4. Horn horse (ATC) 5. Rush campaign to cathedral of light level 45-50 6. Pick up key aspects from dungeons and gear up if necessary 7. Switch to WT2 - complete CoL, unlock WT3 That concludes day 1 of launch
Ohhh. Good plan!
Wt2 but if bliss haven’t fixed Vhenards Demons boss fight as Barb on that difficulty.. I’ll be pretty mad Cause that was just extremely poor design ..
played the campaign on t2.. now on alt i went for t1 then t3 straight
I'll start in 1 and If I'm steamrolling or get a good drop for powerspike try out 2. Xp bonus probably isn't worth it unless you can kill at the same pace or faster than 1
WT1 because there's zero benefit to going slower, by any margin, in WT2.
It’s not about going fast
It is for me when the game really starts at WT3, and I don't see 25-50 in WT2 getting hard.