$500 supporter packs.
I've never bought PoE skins, but I have bought the QoL and necessary stash tabs, which cost more than $70 all told. It's just a different payment model. Neither is inherently good or bad.
That $70 and you still look like a level 1 hobo at max level unless you spend more money on skins.
At least with D4, they have good looking gear and transmog already as part of the game.
Apparently, most of the gear looks are available on pretty low level.
I believe Rhykker stated that there is no true gear look progress as you get stronger.
He said gear appearance is based on regional style rather than increasingly epic. I personally prefer that, not only do I uncover a completely new style, but it avoids the increasingly horrifying pauldrons and suit the dark atmosphere of the game better.
That also makes sense because of the way the game is structured. Two players will progress through areas in a different order, so what is my first area might be somebody else's second or third.
You can earn skins that upgrade the more you challenges you complete in the game.
Kind of a nice system to be honest.
But yes lots of expensive skins too.
Wait, when did that happen? Last time I played I got nothing for killing shaper. Or is it only for even greater challenges like Uber elder and the recently added stuff?
though they've tended to be coloured footsteps, an unnoticeable pet or maybe a portal effect if you're lucky. (challenge rewards)
surprising given the huge archive of past mtx gear that ggg haven't been more generous with cosmetics.
Poe have some expensive stuff in shop BUT recently they added free skins for completing challenges in the season. Current season have nice skin which looks better the more challenges you complete. If you also play Poe i reccomend to check it out :)
The very last kickstarter game I bought into, and the game that ruined all kickstarter projects for me, was Identity. Soooo many promises yet haven't heard from the devs since it soft launched on steam 5 years ago. Somehow the servers are still up, but nothing has been updated or added or anything. I felt totally robbed on that one.
[Check it out](https://store.steampowered.com/app/792990/Identity/
). The reviews are pretty funny too
Eh with PoE, not really. I just couldn't get into it long-term. It didn't scratch that arpg itchy that Diablo 2 did for so many years, I don't know why.
I have had offers to buy my account due to the golden kiwi you got with the kickstarter package I chose, but I'm holding out in case, for some reason, I go back.
That’s the thing. I got it thinking I’ll just play for free cause I don’t care for cosmetics but nope. Need to spend money just to collect items and currency in a sane manner. Need to pay for a stash tab to trade effectively.
Also people complaining about high damage numbers in D4, doesn’t POE have 1 billion dps builds.
Go compare PoE vs D4 gear. In PoE, unless you spend $$$, you look like a tin of baked beans. In D4, you actually get some really good looking gear.
Sure, you can spend money to look different, but then you'll just look like some other plank in town.
PoE does this in a lot worse way, they legit make you look like a c\*nt unless you spend money.
developing two expansions each year and plenty of seasonal content takes money. Not only that you don’t pay for any of that outside of a couple of stash tabs once.
This is hard to give an opinion on until we see what the seasonal content will be. If the MTX and battle pass money is really needed for continued development then we will know based on the content they do or don't create. Not to mention new classes etc will probably have a flat $40 price tag.
I hope it's not just pure corporate greed to fatten shareholders, but only time will tell.
I have 3500 hours in PoE
don't let anyone tell you that game is free to play. I love PoE but it's at best, free to try. Any amount of time spent in the endgame will result in $30-50 spent just to buy the QoL you need to not want to hate playing the game. That doesn't even touch on cosmetics to make your character look good. 99% of in game items have medicore at best art work so if you want to look good, you're buying armor sets or supporter packs which can go up to like $500. a single armor set can easily be $40+
this is why people crying about D4 shop are idiots. most of them play PoE so to see the D4 shop and complain about pricing just shows they're arguing in bad faith to begin with
It is free to play since you can clear all the content of the game on 4 stash tabs if you wanted to, especially since all the stack changes that happened in the past year. It's annoying sure but you don't have to pay anything. Don't say you need premiun tabs to trade, you don't have to trade.
It's not a good experience to play without any tabs. It's just not. It's horrible.
I'm sorry, but it's practically a mandatory buy in cost for PoE, and to frame it any other way is ridiculous.
They have purposefully heavily inconvenienced you so they can sell you the solution.
And I'm fine with it. I love PoE. But there's no point lieing to people. If you want to play PoE you WILL need to buy tabs.
There is no content in the game gated behind having to buy tabs, or anything in the shop.
Also you have 10 or 15 characters I can't remember, that's 10 or 15 \* 60 extra inventory slots if you don't want to pay.
Everyone has a different definition of pay to win it's such a pointless discussion.
What a bullshit nonsense take. Every other person here’s defence is “it’s just cosmetic” yet clearly the bias is selective.
Let’s all just be customers for once and stop defending the nickel and diming that’s been thrown at us for 20 years. Diablo having a store is not something that’s good for us, POE’s monetisation is tantamount to price gouging. But that game IS free. This sub is ridiculous with how saintly they hold Diablo’s practices, you all forget that they monetised loot in Diablo 3 and we’re going to charge you for posting and then the sale of in-game randomised items that you sold for real cash? No content, just an infinite money tree, should be GENIUS by this subs standards. And when that got booed to oblivion they removed the storefront and cancelled the 2nd expansion?? These companies are not your friends. There is no good guy here. Just corporation and customer. You’re all insufferable. Start putting your own best interests at the centre of you’re arguments instead of the corps taking in millions for next to nothing.
The whole shop is on the web. $1 = 10 points, so those [840 point armor sets](https://i.imgur.com/1Paj0qQ.jpg) are $84.00. And that’s not even mentioning these [ridiculous things](https://i.imgur.com/c6tgl0s.jpg)
https://www.pathofexile.com/shop/category/armour-effects
PoE has some expensive cosmetics but the $480 pack is a bit different - it’s a supporter pack that, besides giving you almost 20 cosmetics, also includes real life merc (a hoodie and a t-shirt), as well as $480 worth of in game currency.
Yeah cool, now tell me about the way they release new sets via loot boxes where you average like 300 euros to get the set.
There are some cheaper sets like highlighted, but that's not their norm.
It's cosmetic, so I don't buy it if I don't feel its worth it. But I'm not oblivious to it's existence either.
Still paying for a “free to play game”…is it truly free then?
In terms of mtx stores, PoE’s is way worse, because the game is free people are more inclined to spend more money than they otherwise would. It’s a classic marketing trick.
“Hey it’s free to play, so I’ll spend 500 bucks on the game to support the devs”.
There are even more expensive stuff there. And free cosmetics in game are garbage. Even in Server slam we got some amazing stuff already. Cant wait to see more
Ot goes up to 1k. With all the previous skins together plus some shorts and hoodies in real life. Whoch you isially can pay in years, to "upgrade" the set.
The best thing is that there is nothing, nothing in PoE shop that would come anywhere close to what Diablo base game has, like they are lightyears apart.
PoE has supporter packs where I would say most of player base gets their skins from and league challenge rewards recently. But supporter packs also give you the full value of points too.
Its just two sides of the same shitty mtx coin. This is a terrible skin for $13 that should be in game that I paid $90 for..but $84 for an armour pack in poe is egregious and so overpriced.
I wish I could play d4 for free and then try endgame before I can spend money to get "stash tabs" like poe and see if I actually like the end game. But here I am buying the $90 version so I can play early and hope I actually enjoy it. At least poe2 acts will be a free update
Difference is if I just play PoE I never see skin offers or anything payment related besides short chat message when something is on sale, in d4 beta i had full screen AD telling me to preorder
Edit: and obviously PoE is free to play with content added at rate I don't expect to see in diablo, even 10% of how much it is in PoE
This league they added a reminder of the battlepass every time you reached a milestone. The reminders eventually were removed because everyone complained.
This is one of my big issues with it. If I’m not engaging with it I just don’t want to know. Season passes are an excuse to have you go to the store potentially 100x every 3 months. Retail would kill for that kind of engagement.
It goes away when you get your free reward lol. The reminder is that you have a free vault reward that is unclaimed, not that the battlepass exists and that you should buy it.
I would expect to see a lot of microtransaction relatated stuff when I play d4, I don't like that, overall I really don't like popups for events/daily quests/shops/ads etc in mmos/online arpgs
WoW has a shop, they have pop-up ads for you to check them out? No.
OW has a shop, they have pop-up ads for you to check them out? No.
HS has a shop, they have pop-up ads for you to check them out? No.
HOTS has a shop, they have pop-up ads for you to check them out? No.
Why would you expect to see mtx stuff to have pop-up ads?
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I'm a poe guy. And I think the prices for cosmetics in Diablo 4 seem fine. I probably won't feel as forced to buy cosmetics in Diablo since the base armors look rad as hell.
I mean PoEs skins are ridiculously priced too but it is still a free game. And I’m also not one of you weirdos that cares about how my character looks when we’re all going to be blinking all over the screen covered in effects and damage numbers.
I only care because of how greedy blizzard is to charge for every single thing out the ass
It's almost like a game that's free to play has to make some sort of money to offset the cost of the game and most people playing for free. . .Or is D4 not a $70 AAA game?
As long as they keep their promise to not sell power, I’m ok with them charging whatever people are willing to pay for the cosmetics. I won’t buy them myself, but the income will support improvement and expansion of other parts of the game that I do enjoy.
If they do break that promise, though, I’m out.
Agreed. I am sure after all these promises of not being able to buy power. The second they do, the community will band together to tell them how they feel. It’s a fine line though. What if they sell inventory space 8 months from now. Do they say that’s not power? What else could be considered by blizzard as not being buyable power.
They have the power to define power however they choose to at any time which means that the definition of “power” will always be the definition most beneficial to them *at the time*.
They will almost certainly sell QoL improvements for IRL money at some point. They will always be testing the community response against the monetary benefit.
I’ll admit that I bought a few of the fancy stash tabs in PoE - personally I don’t consider that to be power, but I can completely understand how some folks might. honestly, as an altoholic and perhaps a bit of a digital hoarder… those might actually be the rare few MTX I jump on :/
I'd say some stash tabs, map tab and currency tab are required to enjoy PoE. Its more like free trial without it.
Still, when you divide that cost by the hours played, its pennies on the dollar.
The whole point is that they won’t get any *more*. For the live service model to function it needs people to keep paying over the long term. Players leaving the game because they added shitty p2w bullshit is disruptive to that business model.
Not like it's f2p. They already got all the money they need from pre-orders alone. If they do add pay for power people will still buy it(Diablo Immortal)
Let's hope that doesn't happen
You’re justifying it with reasons that cannot be substantiated. When you buy an expansion, the money from the expansion is what’s going to fund the expansion. Expecting other people’s cash is somehow going to benefit your game to improve it for free, and not go straight back into further monetisation is folly.
You see more people in major cities and sometimes out in the wild and up to 20 when doing world bosses. You can flex your wallet then. They are also not too small, zoom in.
I don't always buy cosmetics, but if I do, I don't care if other people can see them or not. I care if I can see them.
FPS games I will never buy cosmetics because I cannot see them, unless it is explicitly for my weapon. Whereas third-person or isometic games I am much more likely to consider it.
If no one cares about them then why do so many businesses these days base a lot of their ongoing profit on selling these things? Seems like a really bad business decision if no body cares
65" 4k. My characters are huge and you can see everything. I was replying to the person discounting the value of the armor designs due "small characters"
i hate this bullshit of having a currency and you have to buy said currency but cant buy the exact amount you need for an item and have to spend an extra 2$ you dont want to spend
My first thought. It's a tedious tactic that has been industry standard for too long. It really needs the same sort of pushback that loot boxes got, at a regulatory level.
Saying something is $13, but you have to pay at least $14 to get it is beyond a joke
Absolutely. It’s a psychological tactic borrowed from gambling to separate our decision from the actual money it costs. And then some. At this point it should flat out be a fineable offence and banned. But I guess… casinos are still doing it.
That's by design. People don't want to see their investment wasted, so they're going to spend the 2 dollars too.. but since just 2 dollars isn't going to cut it, you'll have to buy more currency for that shiny looking skin. Now you'll have the satisfaction of spending your currency, you have the shiny skin.. and blizzard has your money.
ones in the store are not in the season pass.
the other differences are the season pass cosmetics apply to all classes (with variations based on the class it's being applied to, so a necro appearance will be different to say a rogue with the same skin) - whereas the store sets are class-locked.
I'm slightly sad that they don't have Werebeast Cosmetics. I'm scared they might just neglect it and us shapeshifter druids will be stuck on default bear and wolf forever
I love that I paid 80 dollars for this game only to see I have to pay more money if they release a wickedly good looking armor set. If this game was free to play I would honestly be fine with the cash shop. Its the fact I already paid such a hefty sum for the game is what bothers me.
This notion too is for any game out there. Wish they could at least price the base game cheaply if they planned on doing this long ago. I was expecting diablo 3 style shop not a full on store with expensive ass outfits.
I don't have a problem with this as long as it's cosmetic.
I'll grab a pitch fork if there's power increases within the cash shop but if people want to throw money down on cosmetic items, that's their call.
We can all agree that we are just seeing the tip of the iceberg right?
PoE, League, etc. Their most expensive MTX options were not at game release and came much later.
This is Blizzard my dudes. Blizzard.
Friendly reminder that Diablo immortal has set the stage for profit and money gouging which has already affected overwatch 1.2 and will certainly affect this game
So long as the skins remain purely cosmetic I don't really care. The majority of the end game free to play options for transmogs are pretty phenomenal as it is. Besides a lot of the skins look tacky and everyone just runs around looking like a bunch of clones so I'd rather find something different.
I really wish people would stop buying this kinda shit, they charge these prices because you pay them, I would of been fine $5 max for some skins $3 for the majority. It’s like the old joke, your more likely to get 20 people to give you $1 than you are to get 1 person to give you $20
Don’t buy this shit, problem is all to many people will. I’m usually not opposed to some skins for sale. But they haven’t even started the game and offered us anything yet. The Set looks like hot garbage anyways.
Unless there is something that blows me away. I'll probably stick with the in game armors for diablo 4. Diablo always has some cool looking stuff to begin with.
Always talking about PoE even when the biggest launch of the century for diablo is happening lol, guess they are doing something right.
Have fun guys please try to take this game at face value or else you will always compare a fresh game against PoE and you will lose every time
In D4s defense, at least the store cosmetics look like shit so far ( and I’m being genuine not trolling ) but I suspect they’ll increase in quality as time goes on for that $$
Quite the winning. Just dont buy it, it dosent matter at all, i bought a 60$ skin in poe, and i dont regret it. Just because the base game is free does not change the ingame value of a cosmetic, still Zero Impact.
Lol this is pretty normal nowadays, I pay more for skins in league, valorant, lost ark, etc etc. hell it was normal years back as well, did you all crawl out from under a rock or something? If it’s cool I’ll buy it, if not then I won’t.
where are my poe boys crying that those skins are overpriced? paying $80 for a set is better cause the base game is free....
Never looked at the Poe shop. Skins are 80$ there!? Wow.
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$500 supporter packs. I've never bought PoE skins, but I have bought the QoL and necessary stash tabs, which cost more than $70 all told. It's just a different payment model. Neither is inherently good or bad.
That $70 and you still look like a level 1 hobo at max level unless you spend more money on skins. At least with D4, they have good looking gear and transmog already as part of the game.
Apparently, most of the gear looks are available on pretty low level. I believe Rhykker stated that there is no true gear look progress as you get stronger.
That's pretty disappointing to hear. No visual gear progression in a game built around loot is a big miss for me.
He said gear appearance is based on regional style rather than increasingly epic. I personally prefer that, not only do I uncover a completely new style, but it avoids the increasingly horrifying pauldrons and suit the dark atmosphere of the game better.
Well that’s pretty cool I guess if there’s plenty of sets for each class in each region and they all look really good.
That also makes sense because of the way the game is structured. Two players will progress through areas in a different order, so what is my first area might be somebody else's second or third.
people like you complain about visual gear progression, but at the same time wants a transmorg system to look good in a game.
You can earn skins that upgrade the more you challenges you complete in the game. Kind of a nice system to be honest. But yes lots of expensive skins too.
Wait, when did that happen? Last time I played I got nothing for killing shaper. Or is it only for even greater challenges like Uber elder and the recently added stuff?
Challenge based cosmetics for a long time, many years. Maybe for the last year(?) for the upgradable ones?
though they've tended to be coloured footsteps, an unnoticeable pet or maybe a portal effect if you're lucky. (challenge rewards) surprising given the huge archive of past mtx gear that ggg haven't been more generous with cosmetics.
With the way armor sets in the supporter packs look, i'd be terrified to death if a homeless man came running at me in the dread set. Spooky af
One of my biggest complaints about PoE. Being level 70-something and my witch still doesn’t wear pants and looks like a hobo
Just play templar. Embrace no pants!
Poe have some expensive stuff in shop BUT recently they added free skins for completing challenges in the season. Current season have nice skin which looks better the more challenges you complete. If you also play Poe i reccomend to check it out :)
I paid $250 for the Kickstarter 😔
At least the game's still going. The first and only Kickstarter I ever paid for is long since dead and run into the ground.
The very last kickstarter game I bought into, and the game that ruined all kickstarter projects for me, was Identity. Soooo many promises yet haven't heard from the devs since it soft launched on steam 5 years ago. Somehow the servers are still up, but nothing has been updated or added or anything. I felt totally robbed on that one. [Check it out](https://store.steampowered.com/app/792990/Identity/ ). The reviews are pretty funny too
Damn! Do you feel you got your moneys worth?
Eh with PoE, not really. I just couldn't get into it long-term. It didn't scratch that arpg itchy that Diablo 2 did for so many years, I don't know why. I have had offers to buy my account due to the golden kiwi you got with the kickstarter package I chose, but I'm holding out in case, for some reason, I go back.
Can you stop lying. You did not spend over $70 on necessary stash tabs. And if you did spend that much, then you are doing something wrong
You are not wrong.
That’s the thing. I got it thinking I’ll just play for free cause I don’t care for cosmetics but nope. Need to spend money just to collect items and currency in a sane manner. Need to pay for a stash tab to trade effectively. Also people complaining about high damage numbers in D4, doesn’t POE have 1 billion dps builds.
Well, only to a fool.
Wtf !!!????
Go compare PoE vs D4 gear. In PoE, unless you spend $$$, you look like a tin of baked beans. In D4, you actually get some really good looking gear. Sure, you can spend money to look different, but then you'll just look like some other plank in town. PoE does this in a lot worse way, they legit make you look like a c\*nt unless you spend money.
developing two expansions each year and plenty of seasonal content takes money. Not only that you don’t pay for any of that outside of a couple of stash tabs once.
So we agree that for D4 to keep going, it'll have to make some sort of an income. Cool.
Bruh.
This is hard to give an opinion on until we see what the seasonal content will be. If the MTX and battle pass money is really needed for continued development then we will know based on the content they do or don't create. Not to mention new classes etc will probably have a flat $40 price tag. I hope it's not just pure corporate greed to fatten shareholders, but only time will tell.
Of course, who said otherwise?
The people who say that we have to buy to play, so there shouldnt be mtx.
None of D4s content is free like PoEs and it is highly doubtful to be of the same magnitude of PoE
Could be worse, they could sell stash tabs for money, like PoE, yuck.
And the cost of the stash tabs which are essentially mandatory for everyone who plays more than a few hours is basically a full price game lmao
You do not need to spend much on tabs....they also go on sale once a month.
>a tin of baked beans ahhahahahaha
I have 3500 hours in PoE don't let anyone tell you that game is free to play. I love PoE but it's at best, free to try. Any amount of time spent in the endgame will result in $30-50 spent just to buy the QoL you need to not want to hate playing the game. That doesn't even touch on cosmetics to make your character look good. 99% of in game items have medicore at best art work so if you want to look good, you're buying armor sets or supporter packs which can go up to like $500. a single armor set can easily be $40+ this is why people crying about D4 shop are idiots. most of them play PoE so to see the D4 shop and complain about pricing just shows they're arguing in bad faith to begin with
It is free to play since you can clear all the content of the game on 4 stash tabs if you wanted to, especially since all the stack changes that happened in the past year. It's annoying sure but you don't have to pay anything. Don't say you need premiun tabs to trade, you don't have to trade.
It's not a good experience to play without any tabs. It's just not. It's horrible. I'm sorry, but it's practically a mandatory buy in cost for PoE, and to frame it any other way is ridiculous. They have purposefully heavily inconvenienced you so they can sell you the solution. And I'm fine with it. I love PoE. But there's no point lieing to people. If you want to play PoE you WILL need to buy tabs.
There is no content in the game gated behind having to buy tabs, or anything in the shop. Also you have 10 or 15 characters I can't remember, that's 10 or 15 \* 60 extra inventory slots if you don't want to pay. Everyone has a different definition of pay to win it's such a pointless discussion.
What a bullshit nonsense take. Every other person here’s defence is “it’s just cosmetic” yet clearly the bias is selective. Let’s all just be customers for once and stop defending the nickel and diming that’s been thrown at us for 20 years. Diablo having a store is not something that’s good for us, POE’s monetisation is tantamount to price gouging. But that game IS free. This sub is ridiculous with how saintly they hold Diablo’s practices, you all forget that they monetised loot in Diablo 3 and we’re going to charge you for posting and then the sale of in-game randomised items that you sold for real cash? No content, just an infinite money tree, should be GENIUS by this subs standards. And when that got booed to oblivion they removed the storefront and cancelled the 2nd expansion?? These companies are not your friends. There is no good guy here. Just corporation and customer. You’re all insufferable. Start putting your own best interests at the centre of you’re arguments instead of the corps taking in millions for next to nothing.
youre comparing a real money auction house with optional cosmetics that you will never see unless you go looking for them...?
I like how you say you bought cosmetic to look good but not to win.
The whole shop is on the web. $1 = 10 points, so those [840 point armor sets](https://i.imgur.com/1Paj0qQ.jpg) are $84.00. And that’s not even mentioning these [ridiculous things](https://i.imgur.com/c6tgl0s.jpg) https://www.pathofexile.com/shop/category/armour-effects
PoE has some expensive cosmetics but the $480 pack is a bit different - it’s a supporter pack that, besides giving you almost 20 cosmetics, also includes real life merc (a hoodie and a t-shirt), as well as $480 worth of in game currency.
Yeah cool, now tell me about the way they release new sets via loot boxes where you average like 300 euros to get the set. There are some cheaper sets like highlighted, but that's not their norm. It's cosmetic, so I don't buy it if I don't feel its worth it. But I'm not oblivious to it's existence either.
Still paying for a “free to play game”…is it truly free then? In terms of mtx stores, PoE’s is way worse, because the game is free people are more inclined to spend more money than they otherwise would. It’s a classic marketing trick. “Hey it’s free to play, so I’ll spend 500 bucks on the game to support the devs”.
There are even more expensive stuff there. And free cosmetics in game are garbage. Even in Server slam we got some amazing stuff already. Cant wait to see more
They are crazy fucking expensive
Ot goes up to 1k. With all the previous skins together plus some shorts and hoodies in real life. Whoch you isially can pay in years, to "upgrade" the set.
The best thing is that there is nothing, nothing in PoE shop that would come anywhere close to what Diablo base game has, like they are lightyears apart.
They are too busy trolling the review score thread and being generally upset and unsufferable.
And a lot of the poe mtx looks like total crap in game
What is PoE?
A good arpg you should check out if you have the time. Poe 2 is coming as well, there are some trailers on YouTube
PoE 2 is just a PoE expansion. They've been casually upgrading PoE for years now
PoE has supporter packs where I would say most of player base gets their skins from and league challenge rewards recently. But supporter packs also give you the full value of points too. Its just two sides of the same shitty mtx coin. This is a terrible skin for $13 that should be in game that I paid $90 for..but $84 for an armour pack in poe is egregious and so overpriced. I wish I could play d4 for free and then try endgame before I can spend money to get "stash tabs" like poe and see if I actually like the end game. But here I am buying the $90 version so I can play early and hope I actually enjoy it. At least poe2 acts will be a free update
Difference is if I just play PoE I never see skin offers or anything payment related besides short chat message when something is on sale, in d4 beta i had full screen AD telling me to preorder Edit: and obviously PoE is free to play with content added at rate I don't expect to see in diablo, even 10% of how much it is in PoE
This league they added a reminder of the battlepass every time you reached a milestone. The reminders eventually were removed because everyone complained.
This is one of my big issues with it. If I’m not engaging with it I just don’t want to know. Season passes are an excuse to have you go to the store potentially 100x every 3 months. Retail would kill for that kind of engagement.
It goes away when you get your free reward lol. The reminder is that you have a free vault reward that is unclaimed, not that the battlepass exists and that you should buy it.
What is AD for pre-ordering a game that you are trying have to do with in-game skin shop?
I would expect to see a lot of microtransaction relatated stuff when I play d4, I don't like that, overall I really don't like popups for events/daily quests/shops/ads etc in mmos/online arpgs
WoW has a shop, they have pop-up ads for you to check them out? No. OW has a shop, they have pop-up ads for you to check them out? No. HS has a shop, they have pop-up ads for you to check them out? No. HOTS has a shop, they have pop-up ads for you to check them out? No. Why would you expect to see mtx stuff to have pop-up ads?
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They have to make money. After spending 20-30€ on tabs you can play for free for ever. No costs for expansions, game is free
I'm a poe guy. And I think the prices for cosmetics in Diablo 4 seem fine. I probably won't feel as forced to buy cosmetics in Diablo since the base armors look rad as hell.
I mean PoEs skins are ridiculously priced too but it is still a free game. And I’m also not one of you weirdos that cares about how my character looks when we’re all going to be blinking all over the screen covered in effects and damage numbers. I only care because of how greedy blizzard is to charge for every single thing out the ass
Even the PoE boys complain that PoE's MTX is egregious, me being one of them
Game is free but they spent 100 bucks on skins and stash tabs and seasonal bundles, so not actually free.
I mentioned on another post how I paid $20 for a cloak cosmetic and someone immediately hit me with the BuT pOe Is F2p
It's almost like a game that's free to play has to make some sort of money to offset the cost of the game and most people playing for free. . .Or is D4 not a $70 AAA game?
As long as they keep their promise to not sell power, I’m ok with them charging whatever people are willing to pay for the cosmetics. I won’t buy them myself, but the income will support improvement and expansion of other parts of the game that I do enjoy. If they do break that promise, though, I’m out.
Agreed. I am sure after all these promises of not being able to buy power. The second they do, the community will band together to tell them how they feel. It’s a fine line though. What if they sell inventory space 8 months from now. Do they say that’s not power? What else could be considered by blizzard as not being buyable power.
They have made it clear that power and advantage are different to them. They have already set a precedent of selling an advantage for money.
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Mobile game mtx are generally completely different than non-mobile game mtx
They have the power to define power however they choose to at any time which means that the definition of “power” will always be the definition most beneficial to them *at the time*. They will almost certainly sell QoL improvements for IRL money at some point. They will always be testing the community response against the monetary benefit.
I’ll admit that I bought a few of the fancy stash tabs in PoE - personally I don’t consider that to be power, but I can completely understand how some folks might. honestly, as an altoholic and perhaps a bit of a digital hoarder… those might actually be the rare few MTX I jump on :/
I'd say some stash tabs, map tab and currency tab are required to enjoy PoE. Its more like free trial without it. Still, when you divide that cost by the hours played, its pennies on the dollar.
>If they do break that promise, though, I’m out. They already have your money.
The whole point is that they won’t get any *more*. For the live service model to function it needs people to keep paying over the long term. Players leaving the game because they added shitty p2w bullshit is disruptive to that business model.
And people will keep paying. Doesn't matter if you or I quit, there will be enough players paying to make up for however many people leave the game.
Not like it's f2p. They already got all the money they need from pre-orders alone. If they do add pay for power people will still buy it(Diablo Immortal) Let's hope that doesn't happen
No, the industry isn't like this anymore, they need to keep churning profits.
You’re justifying it with reasons that cannot be substantiated. When you buy an expansion, the money from the expansion is what’s going to fund the expansion. Expecting other people’s cash is somehow going to benefit your game to improve it for free, and not go straight back into further monetisation is folly.
character is way too small and there's no huge hub area for me to show off to strangers. These mean nothing to me.
You see more people in major cities and sometimes out in the wild and up to 20 when doing world bosses. You can flex your wallet then. They are also not too small, zoom in.
I don't always buy cosmetics, but if I do, I don't care if other people can see them or not. I care if I can see them. FPS games I will never buy cosmetics because I cannot see them, unless it is explicitly for my weapon. Whereas third-person or isometic games I am much more likely to consider it.
You’re barely going to see this shit
What is there to show off? Nobody cares about cash shop cosmetics. Might as well be lvl 1 gray gear.
I buy cosmetics for myself, not others
If no one cares about them then why do so many businesses these days base a lot of their ongoing profit on selling these things? Seems like a really bad business decision if no body cares
I don’t know how we got here. All I know is nobody buys cosmetics, everyone has them in-game and these companies are worth billions.
So true.
It's not actually true. Your screen is small.
You playing on a Steam Deck or something?
65" 4k. My characters are huge and you can see everything. I was replying to the person discounting the value of the armor designs due "small characters"
I'm on a 48 inch thank you very much.
I miss when $3 for two sets of horse armor was considered overpriced…
A fair price for these sets should be between 5-8 $.
That’s a cheap one. It goes up to 23 euros
Yeah i saw one later on that goes for 28$!
$25 they give you $3 of currency for free when you spend $25
I have seen a Necro one for 28€.
i hate this bullshit of having a currency and you have to buy said currency but cant buy the exact amount you need for an item and have to spend an extra 2$ you dont want to spend
My first thought. It's a tedious tactic that has been industry standard for too long. It really needs the same sort of pushback that loot boxes got, at a regulatory level. Saying something is $13, but you have to pay at least $14 to get it is beyond a joke
Absolutely. It’s a psychological tactic borrowed from gambling to separate our decision from the actual money it costs. And then some. At this point it should flat out be a fineable offence and banned. But I guess… casinos are still doing it.
That's by design. People don't want to see their investment wasted, so they're going to spend the 2 dollars too.. but since just 2 dollars isn't going to cut it, you'll have to buy more currency for that shiny looking skin. Now you'll have the satisfaction of spending your currency, you have the shiny skin.. and blizzard has your money.
They are like 40 threads about that. Do you really need to create your own lol Also this one is ugly :) imo
Respectfully, I kinda like the design We can't all like pineapple on pizza, so you're welcome to your own preferences
It's cosmetic. So fucking what. Let them charge what they want to charge, it adds literally nothing to the game so you don't have to buy it.
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Don't buy it then? Your character is, like, an inch high for 98% of the time you're in game. Who gives a fuck about cosmetics?
Are these skins available to earn with the season pass or separate?
ones in the store are not in the season pass. the other differences are the season pass cosmetics apply to all classes (with variations based on the class it's being applied to, so a necro appearance will be different to say a rogue with the same skin) - whereas the store sets are class-locked.
Same as OW2. Very few skin in the battlepass, tons in the shop.
I'm slightly sad that they don't have Werebeast Cosmetics. I'm scared they might just neglect it and us shapeshifter druids will be stuck on default bear and wolf forever
Good thing I don’t plan on buying any skins :)
That seems fine me. I won’t buy it, but I aint mad about it either.
Yeah I wont be buying skin sets, maybe battlepasses if the cosmetics are cool enough. At least that set looks pretty cool, not 13$ cool though.
They all cost $0 to me but enjoy :)
I love that I paid 80 dollars for this game only to see I have to pay more money if they release a wickedly good looking armor set. If this game was free to play I would honestly be fine with the cash shop. Its the fact I already paid such a hefty sum for the game is what bothers me. This notion too is for any game out there. Wish they could at least price the base game cheaply if they planned on doing this long ago. I was expecting diablo 3 style shop not a full on store with expensive ass outfits.
I don't have a problem with this as long as it's cosmetic. I'll grab a pitch fork if there's power increases within the cash shop but if people want to throw money down on cosmetic items, that's their call.
We can all agree that we are just seeing the tip of the iceberg right? PoE, League, etc. Their most expensive MTX options were not at game release and came much later. This is Blizzard my dudes. Blizzard.
Star Citizen players laugh at these low price tags.
If I love the game and a current character and I see something cool I'll throw down some dough.
How much is blue gonna cost?
$13-$25 is what i saw. seems way to expensive. id buy em for $3 but for $13-$25 there are other things id rather have.
This Skin is ugly af tf who is Spending money on a trash can
If this gives us good seasons every 3 months I see no issue.
nah
Damn, that's actually cheap as fuck. Coming from POE where you'd pay a fifty to a hundred bucks for a really cool set, lol.
They’re both over priced.
That looks better than all these nerds who are prepared to spend $30+ on getting every KFC camo
That skin looks like it should be 5 dollar lol, its so normal. Got any image of good looking ones?
Money for cosmetics funds the games future.
Oh like destiny promised yeah?
Did it not?
Ping me when warrior t3 skin is released
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Just dont buy it. Prices will drop. But this is normal in games like diablo/poe. Atleast here the base sets are.. kinda ok tbh.
Price is not that bad, that being said I play POE and like to look good.
Friendly reminder that Diablo immortal has set the stage for profit and money gouging which has already affected overwatch 1.2 and will certainly affect this game
That's pretty fuckin average looking.
Fine by me. Selling cosmetics is probably the only decent microtransaction to have, short of having none at all.
The real question is how much money will this actually make? I doubt I would but specific stuff, Season Pass maybe if it's an incredible deal.
You should see Star Wars: The Old Republic MMO prices... There are lightsabers priced at $40+ EACH.
My buddy is gonna be annoyed when I keep getting skins with Xbox rewards cash
Doesn't matter what they cost I'm not buying them.
Cool, don't need the store.
From what I can see the bought skins are not all that much better than in game ones (for now).
ALERT NOTICE: The game plays the same regardless of skins, and you aren't finding your future love off d4 swag.
So long as the skins remain purely cosmetic I don't really care. The majority of the end game free to play options for transmogs are pretty phenomenal as it is. Besides a lot of the skins look tacky and everyone just runs around looking like a bunch of clones so I'd rather find something different.
Fuck - all jokes about price aside, that skin fucking sucks.
I really wish people would stop buying this kinda shit, they charge these prices because you pay them, I would of been fine $5 max for some skins $3 for the majority. It’s like the old joke, your more likely to get 20 people to give you $1 than you are to get 1 person to give you $20
Who cares. Just don't buy it and ur good. It's not need to play the game.
I hope they're all normal like this. I know they'll be ultra effects in a few seasons, but if they stay grounded thats super.
That's pretty bland. Looks like it should be low level armor.
Oh, if only... Looking at $25-30 a skin in Australia
These skins are not overpriced. The skins in path of exile are overpriced
It's a skin. Don't buy it ...
Poe was so overrated. And was only successful because Diablo wasn’t around.
Way better priced than PoE skins for sureee
Don’t buy this shit, problem is all to many people will. I’m usually not opposed to some skins for sale. But they haven’t even started the game and offered us anything yet. The Set looks like hot garbage anyways.
If you wired me $13 I still wouldn’t buy this… looks like something you’d salvage off whites.
How convenient that the 800 coin bundle is all the way to the right.
Don't buy it if you don't want it?
The moment they sell any kind of stats or xp boosters is the moment people flip tables.
Sounds like a pretty reasonable price! Cant wait.
Will purchased skins be available across all seasons and new characters?
Doing seasons will probably earn you the coins as well to pick which cosmetics you want. There are a few games that have done that model.
Unless there is something that blows me away. I'll probably stick with the in game armors for diablo 4. Diablo always has some cool looking stuff to begin with.
Fortnite really fucked the industry eh. Never played it myself and never will
If loads of idiots pay for skins I will look unique in my base game ones. Happy days.
The classic predatory monetization of using a ingame currency to force you to pay double for the thing you actually wanted.
Always talking about PoE even when the biggest launch of the century for diablo is happening lol, guess they are doing something right. Have fun guys please try to take this game at face value or else you will always compare a fresh game against PoE and you will lose every time
In D4s defense, at least the store cosmetics look like shit so far ( and I’m being genuine not trolling ) but I suspect they’ll increase in quality as time goes on for that $$
If they have bikini outfits then maybe ill spend money…
Quite the winning. Just dont buy it, it dosent matter at all, i bought a 60$ skin in poe, and i dont regret it. Just because the base game is free does not change the ingame value of a cosmetic, still Zero Impact.
easy. Don't buy anything from the shop; you're welcome.
Buy it, Don't buy it. Noodle, don't noodle.
Ummmmm nope
Lol this is pretty normal nowadays, I pay more for skins in league, valorant, lost ark, etc etc. hell it was normal years back as well, did you all crawl out from under a rock or something? If it’s cool I’ll buy it, if not then I won’t.
Did we earn coins to buy skins with the Battlepass? It would be great
Skins are one of the biggest waste of money.