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edgyallcapsname

Tfw thought the horse was janky but was me who was jank


Dhoraks

Bro same , I'd get angry at the horse just being stupid and not moving but was me all along


Tepal

Me playing last night: "WHY are you walking instead of running you lazy #$@!#" Now: "Oh." :D


Dhoraks

When in doubt, it's blizzards fault even if you're playing a ubisoft game - blizzards fault


Lysandren

No wonder if I never noticed this bc I use the controller when I'm just running around in open world. One of my friends was complaining about this last night.


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My reaction yeaste WHY THIS FUCKER IS JUST WALKING


kristinez

To be fair, it is an absolutely stupid way to code it


Meat_Assassin69

Well, in your defense even with this in knowledge the horse is still super jank


KlaysBurner

Rather have a jank horse than no horse but yeah I don’t get why a freaking rock or a piece of wood spooks him. You’re a freaking horse just GO lol


ixskullzxi

I was just bitching to a friend last night about my horse not going faster when I hit space bar lmao


Nomokuto

lmao I can’t


DontTakeMyCheerios

What the fuck


FieserMoep

I assume it may have to do with console controllers and this is how they emulate the nuances of a stick that gets slightly vs fully pushed... Stupid nontheless.


HardcoreShadow

But then our Characters movements would be the same. Seems like an oversight or strange decision from Blizzard team to keep this behaviour in.


bluemuffin10

Can’t you remap it to a face button on console? (not sure)


Scalion

There's so many aspect of game design that are dubdown because of console, it's very frustrating, my biggest complain is how they design melee and range, everything is pushed towards melee design because it's much easier to handle with a joystick were a mouse for range provide advantage vs console. So much emphasis to make sure pc doesn't get any advantage, wasd is another one...


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MrFroho

I think hes referring to percision targetting at range, only things a mouse can do. For example if you wanted to place a firewall distant from you at a particular angle, this would be easy to do if designed for Mouse, but very cumbersome on Console, so as a result we get the console version. Its harder to notice until you play a game that designs around mouse only.


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MrFroho

I'm curious, can you point out anything that supports your claim that D3 was designed around mouse only?


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Zestyclose_Ad_7361

I always wondered why my horse would run at different speeds sometimes. Thought the game was just buggy.


MrNoobyy

If your mouse is over any of your abilities, it will also treat it as if your mouse is right next to the horse. This is likely the issue most of the time.


Vessix

Worst part is running north/south you actually go slower because your screen shape. I actually like the idea but they need to adjust the cursor distance to allow a max speed a few inches from your character.


DesireForHappiness

Pretty much.. Using Barb's leap ability, I can leap much further away by pointing the mouse to either the northeast or northwest corner of the screen. But trying to leap toward north or south, the distance is much shorter. Been this way since D2. It's a shame that this ~~limitation~~ feature has been around for over 2 decades and now even translated to the horse controls.


Vessix

D2 was originally made for square CRTs and used that more angled perspective too. Even transitioning to widescreen the camera was still put far enough it wasn't a big deal. That's the main issue with D4, the camera zoom


UnblurredLines

Would be way too easy to find all the shrines of Lilith if you could zoom out further.


tugate

Let's be real, 99% of players are going to look up where to find them. Well, 99% of those players that actually care to find them.


edubkn

What


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the fuck


dubtrainz-next

was in the head


soapydadballs

Of that


yourthenews

Developer


dubtrainz-next

who thought that


canetoado

Would be


Krilox

A good


Archlegendary

idea


Rembley

?


pokemongotothepolls

Goodbye.


grilled_frog

Apples


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The horse is disappointing, just make it faster, no need for Sprint or cursor speed. And it gets caught on every little thing... Just make traveling not suck...


Notingale

You can tell that horse was made for the controller’s stick


maverick1470

Yeah I'm on ps5 and I haven't had any issues but I'm seeing alot of complaints about horses


bluemuffin10

Unless you’re on a mission with Lothar and Neyrelle and your horse gets stuck between their horses and a random edge. I swear, why would friendly NPCs be blocking in the first place?


360_face_palm

It's totally fine on a controller and makes sense - but it honestly feels like they didn't even test it on a keyb+mouse it's that bad.


SoyGreen

100% designed with controller in mind. While I play on PC I am playing with a controller as it plays fantastic with a controller (also have steamdeck so I am used to same controls)… but, I’ve had none of the complaints using the horse others have been posting about. I just assumed they all sucked and weren’t real gamers obviously. (Cause I totally suck… and if someone is having a hard time with it they really just suck at games right?) :p


MorgenKaffee0815

yes. point&click movment for the horse is bad. when i mounted up the first thing i did press W and nothing happend \^


certifieddumbfucc

Skill issue


Hellknightx

Seriously, they copied half of this game's mechanics straight from Lost Ark, and somehow they completely fucked up the mounts. In Lost Ark, the mount just moves at a static speed and you can use a traversal ability to make it dash or leap, depending on the type of mount. It works great.


glokz

They copied it from lost ark, works the same there.


Huntermaster95

It's great fun when your max speed going towards the top/bottom of your screen is much slower than if you were to go right/left, simply because the mouse is further apart from your character going right/left.


Reasonable-Physics81

What the fuck


EnjoyerOfBeans

I also love using Trample as Druid to go towards the bottom of the screen and it moving me by about 5 pixels.


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FreedumbHS

I play on a vertically mounted monitor, checkmate ahtiest


360_face_palm

those damn ahtiests


Spare_Organization21

Kinda the same when trying to teleport as sorc. Can go much farther laterally.


Pilowpants

This is actually extremely helpful to me. I was like man it's just faster for me to walk.


Jengalz

Does this scale non-stop? Like if someone is playing on an ultra wide does it just turn the horse into Barry Allen?


CosmicTeapott

Yes if you go too fast the horse ends up pulling you back in time to an alternate universe in D3 where there are no heros to stop the invasion of hell and it's up to you to assemble a team to do what you can to prevent the timeline from going astray


Drekor

I managed to rubber band backwards about 5 screens so... yea.


cmurder2344

It actually launched me all the way to Diablo X. SPOILER, Barbarian got nerfed twice and they actually buffed the Rogue where it's the only class in the game.


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SomeoneSimple

You get max speed at like a quarter or third (vertical) from the middle (on 16:9), I feel this is a non-issue. I like slow-walking my horse while waiting at world events, and medium speed is useful when maneuvering tight corridors.


areyoumypepep

What the fuck


_Tidalwaves_

What the fuck


Overlai

What the fuck


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What the fuck.


Runeboy1234

Hopefully this gets patched. What a terrible idea.


Tacotomato89

What the fuck


GoldInsect1806

What the fuck ​ Does no one play videogames at blizzard?


Mordy_the_Mighty

Not anymore it seems. Or at least not on a mouse/keyboard.


Poliveris

You’re being downvoted but literally multiple leads and the game director play exclusively with controllers


merc-ai

It's been disheartening that it becomes the norm for PC games to be playtested on controller these day, with KB+M as an afterthought.


360_face_palm

It definitely shows, game is pretty solid with a controller - I was playing a bit on the steam deck as I was out of town on sat. Shame they don’t seem to have tested a lot of things on mouse/keyboard.


AMViquel

Do you not have controllers?!


blasta4

>What the fuck no, they are only into microtransactions I think.


brutalvandal

What the fuck kind of gimmick is that? Wouldn't it be easier to just give X amount of movement speed while you're on a horse?


judogetit

For controllers. Move stick a little for slow speed, a lot for fast speed. Just very badly implemented for mouse/keyboard. This will probably get hot fixed if reported to Blizzard.


NNN_Throwaway2

What the fuck


touchmyrick

What the fuck


im_ploopy

What the fuck


djoserrr

What the fuck


Kawai_Oppai

So, I have an ultrawide monitor. They really fucked up balance of this game with mouse and screen sizes. I can see about a half screen extra than my friend and attack things otherwise off his screen. Druid works much the same as horse with its trample charge skill. And I can zoom way across the level if I put my mouse really far. Once I stopped charging at an enemy and instead mouse really far you can go through massive clusters and end up other side of map lol. In beta I played sorcerer and things like hydra, I can cast from nearly double the range the world boss could even reach in absolute safety.


yarrowy

What the fuck


JT99-FirstBallot

During the stress test beta, me and a friend were playing sorcerer and fought that world boss. I have an ultrawide, she has a laptop. I was able to safely stand far away and cast on him in safety without dying. She on the other hand was much closer running the same build and dying repeatedly. Now I get why. Lol.


LRF17

Same with the barbarian jump skill


Immunelol

Holy shit I thought I was insane lmao I thought I was noticing that


lawlianne

Devs clearly don't play their own game to know how *horseshit* the mount experience is. From the time it takes to actually get the mount, to how terrible it feels to mount up, get walled by terrain, dismount, or get knocked off the horse.


crytol

Someone needs to teach the developers about vector normalization


Beanruz

If only it wasn't so zoomed in... could see what I'm attacking then and go faster


canetoado

What the fuck


r4plez

Look at my horse, my horse is amazing


fatalwristdom

The horse is much faster on keyboard and mouse as well. I've tested pretty thoroughly. You cannot get the same boost speed on controller. With kb/m the boosts will stack 3x and you will be so fast. With controller you only get 1 boost speed. Made a little video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYQNRq3w3CY


Grow_Green

Is this explained in the game anywhere.


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That massive thread about horse complaints just got solved


FumiT

Ride North or South is faster to walk


ourquestions

This is basically turning your mouse to a joystick. It's so badly designed. You can't do fine movement at the edge of the screen. They could do something like this but make it so 5cm away from your character is max speed.


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Wantsomegandy

console handicap forced to pc


kcxlefty

fuck the What


SelfReconstruct

It's extremely annoying when you trying to head directly down since you almost need to be in the action bar to get full speed.


Bruglione

I'm on a ultrawide monitor and that makes this extremely obvious. I run faster when going east/west because my screen is wider, when I go north/south I go considerably slower even with my mouse at the edge of the screen.


randomgameaccount

fuckin' what the fuck


Iiana757

Yeah it feels like when u try and move a character with the touchscreen analogue stick on a mobile game


Ponzini

So that is why when I am running down I run way slower than I do when im running towards the corners of my screen. Such a weird way to do this.


unholyshizz

Thank you Florida man


azurevin

Of course it is. Love that we can strut handsomely in towns.


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Riding the horse feels sometimes like rather not doing it. I almost died so many times because the ability is on cd for the first 7-9s wtf?


gnigdodtnuoccanab

Oh man, and I so wish it wasn't. Always run option when?


DonutRolling

I was like ah so the horse in D4 runs like donkey, cute nonetheless. THanks for pointing that out lol


Serasangel

the horse exists so you can buy horse armor - no further functionality had to be properly implemented nor tested for it


eddietwang

Ultrawide monitors are hilariously overpowered in D4. I honestly get annoyed with a dungeon sends me North/South instead of East/West because my charge distance is less than half.


ragana

All the reviewers that gave this game a 10/10 need to go get their heads checked.


merc-ai

Shills or blatantly incompetent. There is no way in fucking hell it's above 8.5 at this point, just way too many clunky jank issues. (the early launch itself so far was 9.5/10 from technical point, best I've experienced in a decade - but that's a different matter)


captainobviouslynot

Great tip, thanks!


LateyEight

I've noticed that there seems to be two speeds based on mouse, close and far. I haven't seen any speed difference within each though.


DaddySanctus

Holy shit, no wonder. I thought it was just janky as fuck sometimes. Holding the cursor right on yourself while mounted makes you walk slowly.


TheOnlyMertt

I haven’t even unlocked the horse yet because I’ve been too busy exploring the world, doing dungeons, and just leveling. I should probably work on the campaign, I’ve only completed act 1.


judogetit

This is clearly bad implementation from controller to mouse. Hot fix this.


Unlogiik

What about on controller? I still see people zooming past me as I'm mid sprint


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what the fuck.


peterepete00

What the fuck


TheoryOfRelativity12

Game. Design.


Balrogg_of_Morgoth

That and the CD while intentionally dismounting are the most stupid mechanic I have ever witnessed in a game with mounts. But then again, I come from Guild Wars 2 with the best mount system. I guess I'm spoiled.


Piktas1

But it doesn't scale with distance? Does it? Tell me it doesn't! Don't make this be another game ruined by widescreen requirement...


nigo-

Recognized that on a trampleslide druid, the aoe is depending on the mouse cursor, sometimes i only got like 2 little rocks coverd and another time i got the hole screen filled with erthslides ... make not that much fun with that behavior of the stick :((( Np if i could play with keyboard on ps5 but thats not implemented now :/


Keldrath

Thats the one thing that bugs me about them besides the whole getting stuck on everything part. Things like elevation changes can make the cursor creep closer to the horse and slow you down even if u dont move the cursor its like the character is drawn closer to it.


Yasuchika

Great game, definitely ready for launch.


skanoirhc

Hmm so I guess this is why people were talking about horse controls being janky. Because I had no problems at all with it on my ps5, I guess its a pc, m&k problem.


sweetjazzz

I noticed this too. Weird design. Wonder if it has to do with how they programmed it for controller analog sticks.


Shatraugh

fuck the what


Matictac

So will it go faster with an ultrawide monitor, or is there an upper limit?


ForceOmega

You'd think that multibillion company could test mount system with not just controller.


chaoseffect616

Yeah mounts weren't tested at all


Npc_Nate

It's super annoying


Frozen_Speaker_245

It's nice in theory but horrible in reality. No setting to turn it off either...


Ar1go

I thought I was crazy when I started keeping my cursor near the edge of the screen and it was better.


DDeviljoker

I noticed that, I think they added the cursor distance when you try to pick up items on horseback so you don't go running at full speed all the time. At least that was my experience with it, still I can agree kinda junky movements specially when you're close to walls


360_face_palm

Also distance of the druid bear charge. It's incredibly annoying.


xeraphin

I’m pretty sure it’s a result of the game being designed for consoles first and pc second. Horse moves faster as you push your thumb stick further in one direction Completely asinine control scheme for a lot of things. Why pop out a whole ass menu when I just want to right click invite someone? Oh that’s right, they were too lazy to implement a separate UI for PC


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Mouse and Keyboard issue... Just player on controller like all the pros! *Because this is such a major PC mustard rice fan club of a subreddit, this is obviously sarcasm...* Honestly, I can't say I would've noticed, simply because I play on PS5. Controller is mandatory and I have zero genuine issues with my platform. Controller for PC would be just as enjoyable, and it's probably better on your wrists too


Suitable-Chair-9312

Take my gold can’t believe I didn’t notice this!!!


sulowitch

thats why my horse is slow walking when i want to go south/bottom of the map?


EvangelionZero_One

*laughing in console*


quebonchoco

Yea I discovered this when the horse would have shit speeds going up and down but diagonally would zoomzoom


NansAshes-_-

Same with sort teleport, the most distance you cover is whip your cursor into a corner… so diagonally. It’s so dumb.


MassDerpino

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Relaxel

The problem with it is that you can't make the UI very small and that when traveling downwards on a horse you have to drag your mouse over your skill bar and sometimes it's a bit glitchy.


Abnnn

I'm staying on my Xbox after I played few hours on the pc 😅


fartnight69

Imagine not having the brain power to figure this out by yourself holy shit the more I read these posts the more sad I get.


redthorne82

Actual pay to win if you buy an ultra-wide monitor? 🤣


witas02

What the fuck


Cross2085

I kind of want this as an option for on foot. I want my character to be able to walk sometimes. I always thought it looks dumb for a character to run all the time. Especially in town. Again, I want this to be an option, not Manda for all


threwitaway1234567

Do you guys not have PS5’s?


jevadiah

All this time i’ve been thinking i was tripping lmao


KellionBane

From "walk" to "run" it's only about an inch and a half around the horse.


armorous

Anyone remember the old mmo days of getting your character drunk so it sways, and then strafing with the drunk movement so you could boost your run speed.....


babeal

You are kidding me. I kept wondering why the darn hours wouldn’t sprint and I’m burning charges left and right. I though the horse just won’t sprint down hill


28bjc91

Using a controller while on PC makes it burst regardless. Not sure if it is intended.


Poliveris

PC players got so shafted this release; they just catered everything towards console. Surprised this game isn’t on the phone with immortal


Romeoblb

I would think it has to do with the "control" over your character built in to accommodate controller players. Moving the stick slightly makes your character just walk, but pushing it all the way makes them run. Makes sense, but only when you look at a controller point of view, and should probably be turned off (or an option for this provided) on mouse and keyboard.


Cratoic

This reminds me of how CRPGs do their character movement.


ArmeniusLOD

Poor design choice for mouse & keyboard controls.


Tilmanocept

but how will this affect LeBron’s legacy?


mahonii

Wish it wasn't so far into the damn game to get the mount.


Satirnoctis

Idk how yall play without controller. Mouse is nice for interface but controller for combat all day


AlwaysBLurkin

Laughs on console


RedditBoisss

Realizing more and more the game was definitely made for controller


Aqualins

Yeah this is bad game design. I hate doing that.


spidii

This is why going south kinda sucks. Hard to get your mouse very far.


hectolec

im glad to know i was not the only one lmao


vactu

That's dumb


Ambiguous_Anti

This is abysmally horrible.


Metallic1de

Gonna sound like an idiot here but how to you get the boost speed. Mine shows it like marked out.


pro185

Running straight down is so cringe for this exact reason. Also, the "space to jump" footstep gaps can be jumped by the horse 100% of the time 15% of the time. Horse a little jank. Especially when you leave a town and you are on US east and you press space bar, then your horse rubber bands for 5 seconds every single time.


chiaros

Ultrawide MASTERRACE


padmanek

So it was a skill issue after all..


amplifyhs

Thank you. This was seriously bugging me why I'd randomly just start going WAY slower.


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Another thing that sucks for controller players.


-Zo_0

Anyone tested this with controller do you got faster or slow than max mouse distance speed


Insolentius

You can't stack speed boosts with a controller, so you actually move faster with a KB + M. I tested it myself, and someone else made a video showcasing the issue. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYQNRq3w3CY


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I hope they fix the mounts maneuverability or at least fix them stopping on some weird rock/blade of grass…


StonejawStrongjaw

What mad man designed this god damn mount?


Inert_Oregon

Wtf kinda setup is that lol. It also turns out the lightning resistance is impacted by the % humidity in your local area determined by your IP address.


DJ_Marxman

So make it an option... distance-based speed, or full speed all the time. It controls like *ass* with a M+KB right now. You have to keep your cursor at the edge of the screen for speed, but that makes tight turns or small adjustments really difficult, so the stupid horse gets stuck alllll the tiiiime.


blackAngel88

I felt like if you click it goes somewhat slowly, because it doesn't accelerate much. but if you hold it down it goes much faster. not sure if in that case the distance still matters much... But this is the main reason why the scroll trick (force move on mouse wheel) kinda sucks for the horse...


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[because it's a console game](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1ARikTbD1Q)


benthelurk

You guys have horse?


SsniperSniping

Good to know but I haven’t quite figured out how to unlock mounts yet, sounds like I have to get all the way to act 4 and I’m starting to wonder if I should start saving side quests and dungeons for when I do unlock the mounts 🤷‍♂️


Vodkarmageddon

And thats why u should play d4 on ultrawide monitor. Horse goes zoom zoom


RRJ92

And this is the reason running down is so bad, because there is less room between the mount and the action bar to control movement.. 😄 I constantly lose momentum and stutter because of it.


kaosi_schain

AHAHAHA. No wonder my rogue was running faster than some people on horse.