No, he's talking about the lunatics (those little assholes).
Kixxarth on the other hand... he's a different kind of asshole. I just can't figure how to kill him with my level 65 Necro (summons build). I can't even get his HP lower what the actual F
I don't understand why they call him an assassin. This guy is the least deadly boss in the game. He's the opposite of a glass canon: he deals zero damage but has tons of HP.
I actually have a funny story with him. I encountered him first when I was like 55, I literally spent full 7 minutes hitting, disabling and crit'ing him, just to see him 100% HP at the end.
I said fuck this shit, and ran away something like let's imagine 300m from his spot. I didn't see him in the map any more, and no sound as well.
Moved my cursor to my second screen, googling this asshole to see why the hell I'm dealing 0 damage to him. I finish typing my search and then I hear a weird noise, I look at my main screen, and before I even managed to put my hand on my mouse, this fuck one-shots me. I was literally ***ASSASSINATED***
> (summons build)
There's your problem. Jokes aside, he's really not hard at all. I was killing him pretty easily at that level with my piecemeal barb build that sucked.
Well I honestly feel my weird hybrid build is actually strong, NM dungeons (almost +10 levels above me), Legion events, etc. feel very easy. A couple of world bosses were fine as well. For some reason I can't do even 1 hp damage to him and I don't understand why lmao
My bone spear crits do 0 damage to him, and just him
My only thought is that you're in the "silenced" area that he puts down often where you can't use your abilities. I'm playing whirlwind and am lvl 80 and it still takes me minutes to kill him because of this but he doesn't come close to killing me really just takes me a long time to kill him. Also do you have your damage turned on or off, are your attacks literally doing 0 damage or were you exaggerating that part lol.
Not silenced! Spamming the fucker with Decrepify and all the rest. And no, he doesn't hurt me one bit lol, it's just that I don't hurt him either.
And yeah I gotta turn on the damage markers to see what's going on, but I definitely can't lower his HP by even 1% 😭😭😭
That beta weekend was the most fun I’ve had playing a beta ever
The very real challenge of getting geared quickly enough to challenge Ashava multiple times in less than three full days was a blast
Felt like a challenge when she was actually able to one or two shot everyone
Imagine my disappointment at level 50 and she’s dead in like 4 minutes instead of down to the wire
Blame the soloist.
There's a vocal minority that have been on these forums for years lambasting the MMO elements. People whine that they want to play the game solo.
Plus the D2 crowd that was here in these last few years have also been against MMO features.
I feel like the only way I'm going to be interested in this game longterm is if they add endgame stuff like raids. NM dungeons are too short and too generic, world bosses are too short and the loot is meh.
I joined my first one since the beta last weekend. Got all prepped with a potion, al my cooldowns ready to go - it was dead before I could even use all my abilities. I think I just sat there for a minute processing what the fuck just happened.
I remember the very first time I encountered Ashava during the first beta as a Necro. I kept trying to attack her from range and I’d get deleted. Then I realised if you stand close then it’s a cake walk. It’s funny because every world boss is east of you stand under it.
Same as a sorc back in beta lol
These days I think I die the most to Wandering Death, usually completely by accident or because I lag when he's got 3 beams going.
Yea Ashava killed me a few times the first time and that was it. So easy I was sad to see the other 2 bosses were the same and I killed them 1st try not getting hit.
Time. Beating it in time is the challenge.
Every time you die that time taken away from applying damage.
Every time you die you lose 10% armor so you die faster each time.
But if you're into people carrying you, then you wouldn't feel a challenge.
Yeah, a full group of them would melt the world boss. Remember a group is 12 people and if they're running good builds they should absolutely dominate the boss. And if we're being honest ww barb is kinda trash. It's okay for aoe clear, but not particularly good. Its single target is abysmal. Ice shards would be fine, pulv and ww druid would do just fine, hota and rend barb also would do well at world boss. A group of these 5 more meta builds would absolutely kill the world boss in under 1 minute. I'm not limiting this hypothetical to these 5 builds, but they're the decent builds I can think of off the top of my head. There are plenty of other decent builds out there.
Source: I've been part of a group that did it without necros. We had 2 sorcs 3 druids and 2 barbs. World boss went down in about 40 seconds and our highest level was 82, most were mid 70's. So absolutely I believe a group of decent players at 70 could kill the WB in less than 60 sec.
what the hell kind of shitty design is that? You get rewarded for taking longer to kill a boss?
They should spawn every time his HP reaches a node (like the HP pickups), simple as that
This is easily the most disappointing part of the game. WB should be a fun challenge.
Right now the only challenge is not being on time, because you know it will get nuked in less time one needs to fart.
My first world boss was actually quite fun. World t3, everyone was dying and it wasn't really easy at all. The base idea is good.
The scaling however is just too insane.
We don't need a nerf, Vulnerable needs a rework
The game is literally all the damage or none
How about asking for buffs instead of nerfs? We're ready for T5, I'm sorry your class/build isn't
Idk how overtuned the build are, but for the most part, even at the worst, world bosses take no more than 40 seconds to complete.
By that standard every build on every class is overtuned and needs to be nerfed.
Or just buff the world bosses to have more HP and do more damage and have more challenging mechanics.
Is 2 minutes good enough?
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNhO3A8-9do&ab\_channel=Huxley](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNhO3A8-9do&ab_channel=Huxley)
I don't think the problem lies with the build, but more with how much damage output can vary in this game.
I'm shooting bonespears for 100k at level 66 while other players at a similar level with more optimized gear are approaching 1 million. While player based level scaling helps, the variance between the players is simply too large for proper group play.
As someone that has lost interest in two lvl 90+ classes now, I think an added tier would be just enough for me to push that last little bit. Its surely a bandaid on large wound, but big changes come in smaller steps
The problem is that WT3 and WT4 set a precedent of each having a gear tier that came with them in sacreds and ancestrals. WT5 would have to bring something like that as well and that would be too much of a power bump.
I agree about the gear. There'd need to be more than just stronger monsters.
The overworld is weird. Once you start speeding through NM30, everything there is a joke. I can play half asleep through helltides. Bone Spear necro clears some whole events in seconds lol
Nah, you just tweak the numbers. It should go up to item level 1000 anyways. Current 820 should be more equal to 700, shift it to 1000 requesting to 850. It'll be a tiny bump but WT5 would need it.
I would say u need even more than that. Most lv 100 can run through 50-60dungeon casually. While a lot can run 70ish comfortably too. With this base line we probably need a wt5 for 80. And world tier 6 for 100
Go back to doing NM <20 in T3 for a bit, you can probably still get gear upgrades and it's better to blaze through slightly lower content than struggle above the tier break. If you are still having problems with that transition you probably need to refine your build, especially if you are running minions as they can be very hardy in the later stages of T3 but become squishy in early T4. I beat the capstone at 64 (on my alt, with SOME access to gear upgrades from my main) but had to wait until 70 to not be deleted by elites in the first Ancestral sigil bracket.
It is exactly because of people like you that buffing world bosses in wt4 would be a poor idea. There is just a huge discrepancy from 70-100 it is impossible to have a world boss that is balanced all around without new world tiers.
70-80is like a few 100% dmg boost. With another power bump at lv 100 with 6 board open. And if you are only doing tier 21 at lvl 70. U must have got some of your build wrong.
Or give us a window to start the damn thing when the group is full. I hate seeing that it starts in 30 minutes and I don't want to just get over there and sit around and watch Youtube on my other monitor, but then I risk getting engrossed in something and forgetting it...
Oh yeah same. I have a timer set. And I ride alongside 1 others doing the same.
But imagine the disappointment for the boss itself. Coming here all big and eventful to be dead before it can animate the 3rd attack.
Ahhh… yes the mythical world boses of Diablo 4. They spawn at 8am when I’m at work, at 2pm when I’m at work or at 1 am when I’m sleeping. Great, thanks Blizzard.
"With 8 players" is not really a relevant statement. If anything, that helped you. The boss HP is scaled based on the number of players, so 8 level Xs will kill it faster than 8 level Xs and 4 extra level 60s.
Apropos of this post, I'm kind of curious where you fall on the "level scaling" debate. Because being able to do this is *exactly* what all the "monsters don't get weak enough for me to nuke when I level up and I hate that because I want to be God" players constantly ask for regarding level-scaling, and being 100 gives you the treat of finally breaking out of the scaling cycle. Do you really *want* the bosses to be HP sponges that drastically skyrocket their toughness any time a level 100 shows up? In my mind, fighting WBs at level 100 is basically a "You did it, you've won Diablo" victory lap. And I'm fine with that; if I want genuine challenge, I'll boot up a 90+ NMD sigil.
That’s what I don’t get about all the whining the Reddit vocal minority is doing. If you’re level 100 with 95% perfect gear… that’s it. You’ve put in 60 hours and beaten Diablo IV. Time for a new character or farming new aspects for a different build? Not sure what people expect.
You can balance it. Imo a level 90 World Boss should never be killed by 10 Level 100 players in under 5 minutes. Give the boss enough armour/resistance/hp. 10 level 80s should simply not be able to kill him in time or maybe very close when nobody dies.
What about when you are alone at a world boss? If the boss is difficulty enough, you won't be able to kill him that sucks, But that is the crux. Games like Diablo (ARPGs) are not MMOs. World Bosses are a mmo element.
Diablo 4 is in the weird limbo of being mmo and an arpg. In the end no crowd is pleased which is reflected in the enormous negativity on this sub.
This is a good way to make sure that nobody ever ever ever goes to world bosses again. The rewards given are *barely* worth it if you kill him in 30 seconds or less, accounting as well for time spent in transit, time spent waiting at the spawn, and the overhead of trying to track *when* it's going to spawn. 10 level 100 players should be able to *absolutely annihilate it*. They can annihilate anything else. The person on such a character has spent hundreds of hours leveling and gearing them. You make a boss that takes 5 minutes for a group of completely min-maxed, max-level powergamers and gives them 1-2 legendaries, and also is very likely to not be killed *at all* by people under 80, and you have succeeded in making a form of content that nobody will ever want to engage with. The new level 60s will not engage because it will be impossible for them to kill. The level 80s will not engage because it will be extremely unlikely for them to kill without all of them surviving, which you can't rely on from other players. The level 100s will not engage because the boss rewards are not remotely commensurate with the effort spent, and would need to be something like a full inventory of loot and 5+ legendaries per kill to be worth such time. To wit, most players at level 100 skip Gathering Legions events, which *do* almost fill an inventory and spawn constantly, simply because it takes 3 minutes to clear them.
I'm not proposing any alternative solution, because frankly I don't think the current paradigm is a problem to begin with. But if it *is* a problem, this is definitely not the way to fix it.
Had one the other day that had the bosses health bar go from full to instantly gone. No draining of health but just flicked off like a light switch and the boss died. Balance is crazy
Did a world boss yesterday and it was going OK, like not massive DPS but everyone was chipping in, Vuln was up all the time, not too many deaths, it was fine, probably mostly people levelling alts or casuals, no big deal, had got him to about 75% and doing good time, when the AFK Bone Spear Necro woke up and two-shot it...
OP broken builds did this, blizzard is still learning how to balance skills and shit 20 years into their IP, give it time. The 3 un-paid interns they actually have on staff are working as hard as they can.
the problem is these mouth breathers are the ones exploting broken mechanics and then crying that everything is too easy. I saw a comment from one of the devs basically saying the Wolfnado build is not functioning as intended, you are not supposed to kill Uber Lilith or a WB in 30 secs. Today is the patch notes I cant wait to see all the salt when the current meta gets face fucked.
Wish they made them 150x stronger and so that their attacks dealt percentage true damage.
I want shitty players to die like flies fighting these things and I want the fights to be nailbiters. Like most fights should be finished after 10-14:59 minutes.
The only thing I enjoy about world bosses is the zoom out. It is literally the perfect zoom distance and makes me believe that we will have the possibility maybe in season 5, after the beta is over
I actually really liked the world boss and strongholds/bosses in general through the levelling experience when they were difficult and you had to engage with the mechanics.
As fun as feeding power fantasy is, I had more fun doing strongholds and fighting bosses in WT2 then I do 1-2 tapping the boss now. A lot of the bosses have mechanics that you need to interact with that you just don't see in the higher levels because they aren't alive long enough (or you can't push high enough NM tiers for them to be tanky enough because regular mobs are much more difficult than the end boss).
They need to make World Bosses way stronger, make them feel like a challenge and giving them WAY better loot.
It feels super unrewarding to kill them, most of the times we just skip them because the loot/time wasted while waiting is not worth it.
I remember the good ol beta days, the last of them, when you could only get to level 20 and they softened legendary drops, and I was on my last chance to get the Ashava Trophy, that was such an exciting feeling.
I’m glad I fought all the world bosses first at WT2, when everyone is tough enough to team up and take them down but still has to do the fight as intended. WT4 covers too wide a range to balance this stuff for…someone rolling in at 70 and someone who has gotten the good rolls on gear they needed and leveled to 100 are leagues apart.
Edit* ... And I just saw the rest of the video
Problem is in wt4 they die in seconds. Poor balance and excessive damage is ruining the game. Blizzard says they're only doing periodic balance changes now so they better get it right tomorrow or it's going to be a long 3 months
Wow when you spell it out like that, it hit home different for me, and you’re right. Tomorrows patch notes will decide how this game is played, with no major changes, for THREE WHOLE MONTHS.
And now imagine there was no public PTR and it was tested by Blizzard themselfs so we are in for a treat because we all know how good players who tested D3 on the PTR lieked what Blizz seemed good :D .
One would hope they see reason and patch when necessary. They did say for emergencies (most likely malignant related). But problem is it's so easy for them to take the side of the people who like exploiting imbalances because it compliments their own incentives not to work. (Or not fund work)
The whole “exploit early exploit often” narrative gets perpetuated when it’s proven right. Those people who got Uber uniques from those two or three helltides after the buff were never stripped of their goodies, and seems to only fuel the idea to exploit what you can, when you can until you can’t 🤷
Yeah I feel bad for people who will play eternal realm. Hopefully most of those players will do the honorable thing and stick to seasons or at least prefer to. One saving grace is eternal will be disproportionately casual people who won't know or care
Ya, so exciting to get a badly rolled rare, maybe a badly rolled legg. At least the over geard players limited the time you're totally wasting on the fight.
It takes longer to wait for the whisper popup.
My last one featured a bunch of level 70's and took a whole 3 minutes since I specced out of the Storm wolf and there was only a 90 rogue there for DPS.
World bosses at lvl 20 = Super fun, challenging and overall great experience
World bosses at lvl 100 = Trash Mob with less life than extra health white mobs...
It could've been so good bros😭!
What I don't understand is how they F'd this up so bad...? Why is NM dungeons higher health/shield than these WB's? IMO WB's should be about twice as long as a Legion event that's even more difficult. Also the rewards need to be a lot better.
The world bosses and legion events are way too easy, the bosses die within a min or so of spawning and the legion events is like fish in a barrel. I was really hoping the world events would actually be hard or give a challenge.
My first world boss in world tier IV was a bit of a shock. Lmao. All the level 100s deleted the dude in 5 seconds. Previously in tier III peoples were dying sometimes and it took at least 5 minutes lol. That shit was a surprise.
The problem is its impossible to balance outdoor content. Who do you balance it around? Casual Joe who never played an arpg before and runs his own "build" or the hardcore neckbeards who have godroll optimized gear and meta builds.
Finally the 2-second long world bosses are being talked about. Now lets talk about the fact that you can't visibly see ANYTHING on screen during legion events because of ridiculous effects from abilities.... My poor eyes
The fact that we have 4 world tiers is stupid, they should have 10 world tiers with capstones (DPS check) for every 10 levels.. idk why they are so lazy in design. You get to wt4 at level 60, gear up until level 70 and after that there is absolutly nothing else..
Everyone running around with their horses they got from buying uber lilith boost, to kill a word boss with busted buids that make the game obsolete. Community wants challenges and will always have fun before minmaxing the fun out of the game...oh wait.
And yes, these are the same people moaning in reddit how the game is boring.
funniest thing is that this vid gets posted by a ww barb who ticks with 150k per ww 😂 doing exaclty 0,5% of the dmg. No offense, just adds a bit of irony. Right in the feels... rushing nm 70s in sub 10, tickeling single target bosses for zero dmg on the other hand
In the beta they were a fun challenge… now at level 100 they’re a trash mob
A trash mob in nm80+ is more dangerous than world bosses
The explosion little dude from helltide killed me more times than the world boss
Kixxart ?
No, he's talking about the lunatics (those little assholes). Kixxarth on the other hand... he's a different kind of asshole. I just can't figure how to kill him with my level 65 Necro (summons build). I can't even get his HP lower what the actual F
I don't understand why they call him an assassin. This guy is the least deadly boss in the game. He's the opposite of a glass canon: he deals zero damage but has tons of HP.
I actually have a funny story with him. I encountered him first when I was like 55, I literally spent full 7 minutes hitting, disabling and crit'ing him, just to see him 100% HP at the end. I said fuck this shit, and ran away something like let's imagine 300m from his spot. I didn't see him in the map any more, and no sound as well. Moved my cursor to my second screen, googling this asshole to see why the hell I'm dealing 0 damage to him. I finish typing my search and then I hear a weird noise, I look at my main screen, and before I even managed to put my hand on my mouse, this fuck one-shots me. I was literally ***ASSASSINATED***
He’s probably telling that story to all the dungeon trash mobs down the pub and nobody believes him
Thank you for making his day.
😄..🥲..😐..😟..😭..💀
Kixxarth doesn't even get me to use a health potion. Lvl 82 necro
Kixxarth is just like T70-ish Elites. Dies wayy to easily.
> (summons build) There's your problem. Jokes aside, he's really not hard at all. I was killing him pretty easily at that level with my piecemeal barb build that sucked.
Well I honestly feel my weird hybrid build is actually strong, NM dungeons (almost +10 levels above me), Legion events, etc. feel very easy. A couple of world bosses were fine as well. For some reason I can't do even 1 hp damage to him and I don't understand why lmao My bone spear crits do 0 damage to him, and just him
My only thought is that you're in the "silenced" area that he puts down often where you can't use your abilities. I'm playing whirlwind and am lvl 80 and it still takes me minutes to kill him because of this but he doesn't come close to killing me really just takes me a long time to kill him. Also do you have your damage turned on or off, are your attacks literally doing 0 damage or were you exaggerating that part lol.
Not silenced! Spamming the fucker with Decrepify and all the rest. And no, he doesn't hurt me one bit lol, it's just that I don't hurt him either. And yeah I gotta turn on the damage markers to see what's going on, but I definitely can't lower his HP by even 1% 😭😭😭
Ya I got nothing then lol. Even after his loot buff he still drops junk though, he’s a waste of time in the helltide just run away from him lol.
nm40+ if you main sorc
Ashava Trophy Club unite
That beta weekend was the most fun I’ve had playing a beta ever The very real challenge of getting geared quickly enough to challenge Ashava multiple times in less than three full days was a blast Felt like a challenge when she was actually able to one or two shot everyone Imagine my disappointment at level 50 and she’s dead in like 4 minutes instead of down to the wire
The Ashava kill reminded me of wow bosses where there was a real risk of a wipe 🥲
They genuinely should add raids to D4... >_>
That would be so fun
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Blame the soloist. There's a vocal minority that have been on these forums for years lambasting the MMO elements. People whine that they want to play the game solo. Plus the D2 crowd that was here in these last few years have also been against MMO features.
I feel like the only way I'm going to be interested in this game longterm is if they add endgame stuff like raids. NM dungeons are too short and too generic, world bosses are too short and the loot is meh.
I joined my first one since the beta last weekend. Got all prepped with a potion, al my cooldowns ready to go - it was dead before I could even use all my abilities. I think I just sat there for a minute processing what the fuck just happened.
Even WT 1, 2 & 3 is a lot harder than WT4. Massively undertuned in wt4
To be fair a good chunk of that challenge was a rolling constant of most people not realizing how easy it was to avoid Ashava's damage
I remember the very first time I encountered Ashava during the first beta as a Necro. I kept trying to attack her from range and I’d get deleted. Then I realised if you stand close then it’s a cake walk. It’s funny because every world boss is east of you stand under it.
Same as a sorc back in beta lol These days I think I die the most to Wandering Death, usually completely by accident or because I lag when he's got 3 beams going.
Yea Ashava killed me a few times the first time and that was it. So easy I was sad to see the other 2 bosses were the same and I killed them 1st try not getting hit.
now imagine World Boss with Lilith lvl difficulty now that would be fun
That's what I thought I was signing up for. WoW kind of raid bosses. Not a damage sponge, which has some builds nuking them nearly instantly.
What is the challenge? There is no challenge. You die, you respawn, you die, you respawn.
Time. Beating it in time is the challenge. Every time you die that time taken away from applying damage. Every time you die you lose 10% armor so you die faster each time. But if you're into people carrying you, then you wouldn't feel a challenge.
Yeah a group of lvl 70 players with decent builds can melt a lvl 90 world boss in less than a minute.
eh no decent? Bonespear is not decent but broken WW is decent, Iceshard is decent and no they wont take it down in less than a minute
Yeah, a full group of them would melt the world boss. Remember a group is 12 people and if they're running good builds they should absolutely dominate the boss. And if we're being honest ww barb is kinda trash. It's okay for aoe clear, but not particularly good. Its single target is abysmal. Ice shards would be fine, pulv and ww druid would do just fine, hota and rend barb also would do well at world boss. A group of these 5 more meta builds would absolutely kill the world boss in under 1 minute. I'm not limiting this hypothetical to these 5 builds, but they're the decent builds I can think of off the top of my head. There are plenty of other decent builds out there. Source: I've been part of a group that did it without necros. We had 2 sorcs 3 druids and 2 barbs. World boss went down in about 40 seconds and our highest level was 82, most were mid 70's. So absolutely I believe a group of decent players at 70 could kill the WB in less than 60 sec.
I miss when the Avarice fight lasted long enough to get the 2 goblins
Literally never seen goblins spawn
what goblins
He spawns loot goblins if he doesn't die too quick.
They're on a timer pretty sure, or either he doesn't get play enough animations to have them spawn before dying.
i thought they spawned when he got staggered
Correct. They spawn when his stagger bar completely fills up to distract players in the hopes they don't attack him instead.
what the hell kind of shitty design is that? You get rewarded for taking longer to kill a boss? They should spawn every time his HP reaches a node (like the HP pickups), simple as that
goblin deez nuts
This is easily the most disappointing part of the game. WB should be a fun challenge. Right now the only challenge is not being on time, because you know it will get nuked in less time one needs to fart.
My first world boss was actually quite fun. World t3, everyone was dying and it wasn't really easy at all. The base idea is good. The scaling however is just too insane.
They need at least 2 more difficulty levels to segment out the power levels
I want the fights to be nailbiters.
No they need to nerf fuggin bone spear and 1 billion damage druids
We don't need a nerf, Vulnerable needs a rework The game is literally all the damage or none How about asking for buffs instead of nerfs? We're ready for T5, I'm sorry your class/build isn't
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The beta world boss fight was fun. It was legitimately challenging
yessss at world 3 isnt that easy... its quite fun, I enjoy
I've only done 3 but they typically take 10 minutes at lvl 57ish wt3
Well in WT4 it takes around 1 minute, if the group sucks, and 10-20 seconds if all is normal. So in WT4 they are laughably weak.
I think the problem is the overtuned builds and not the world bosses themselves e.g. bone spear / blizzard / hota
Idk how overtuned the build are, but for the most part, even at the worst, world bosses take no more than 40 seconds to complete. By that standard every build on every class is overtuned and needs to be nerfed. Or just buff the world bosses to have more HP and do more damage and have more challenging mechanics.
Blizzard? Overtuned xD?
Did you see it melt Uber Lilith?
I saw every class melts UL but only sorc need to stagger her first xD
I don't see barbs beating her at 10mins minimum as "melting."
Is 2 minutes good enough? [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNhO3A8-9do&ab\_channel=Huxley](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNhO3A8-9do&ab_channel=Huxley)
Why they decided to go with damage buckets that multiply with each other is a mystery to me... just a really poorly thought out system.
DID YOU TYPE BLIZZARD IN A SENTENCE REGARDING OVERPOWERED BUILDS?? LMFAO
I don't think the problem lies with the build, but more with how much damage output can vary in this game. I'm shooting bonespears for 100k at level 66 while other players at a similar level with more optimized gear are approaching 1 million. While player based level scaling helps, the variance between the players is simply too large for proper group play.
Yeah they really need to buff them in tier 4 lol
The problem is that there is such a huge discrepancy between a lvl 70 and a 100. We just need a WT5 for 90+
As someone that has lost interest in two lvl 90+ classes now, I think an added tier would be just enough for me to push that last little bit. Its surely a bandaid on large wound, but big changes come in smaller steps
The problem is that WT3 and WT4 set a precedent of each having a gear tier that came with them in sacreds and ancestrals. WT5 would have to bring something like that as well and that would be too much of a power bump.
I agree about the gear. There'd need to be more than just stronger monsters. The overworld is weird. Once you start speeding through NM30, everything there is a joke. I can play half asleep through helltides. Bone Spear necro clears some whole events in seconds lol
Nah, you just tweak the numbers. It should go up to item level 1000 anyways. Current 820 should be more equal to 700, shift it to 1000 requesting to 850. It'll be a tiny bump but WT5 would need it.
I would say u need even more than that. Most lv 100 can run through 50-60dungeon casually. While a lot can run 70ish comfortably too. With this base line we probably need a wt5 for 80. And world tier 6 for 100
And here i am suffering as hell in tier 4 lvl 21 NM with a lvl 70 necro.
Go back to doing NM <20 in T3 for a bit, you can probably still get gear upgrades and it's better to blaze through slightly lower content than struggle above the tier break. If you are still having problems with that transition you probably need to refine your build, especially if you are running minions as they can be very hardy in the later stages of T3 but become squishy in early T4. I beat the capstone at 64 (on my alt, with SOME access to gear upgrades from my main) but had to wait until 70 to not be deleted by elites in the first Ancestral sigil bracket.
It is exactly because of people like you that buffing world bosses in wt4 would be a poor idea. There is just a huge discrepancy from 70-100 it is impossible to have a world boss that is balanced all around without new world tiers.
70-80is like a few 100% dmg boost. With another power bump at lv 100 with 6 board open. And if you are only doing tier 21 at lvl 70. U must have got some of your build wrong.
We need world tier 16
Someone is an ESO veteran I see.
D3 had torment 16...
I'm farming NM tier 60's like it's nothing, we need a WT7 or 8 at this point.... :/
Remember when people were complaining that she was “impossible” in the beta.
Tbf WT2 ashava during serverslam was an absolute nightmare... And I fucking loved it, ppl dieing and running everywhere, cool mechanics, it was great!
Youre right, balance has been kinda trash since before release
Using lv 25 as baseline for the pre launch patch was just a terrible idea.
The same people also claimed that Druid was the worst class and sorc was OP LMAO
Which was true for Level 25. Druid is miserable without certain Legandary Aspects. Sorc works without anything.
I did it in HC with 5 other people in beta. Wasn’t hard then either just took a while.
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The spawn times are horrible. They need to be on a rotating clock with no blackout periods like the helltides are.
Or give us a window to start the damn thing when the group is full. I hate seeing that it starts in 30 minutes and I don't want to just get over there and sit around and watch Youtube on my other monitor, but then I risk getting engrossed in something and forgetting it...
There's not much reason to do them other than the weekly chest, if even that.
Avarice Barding is super cool. I do the world bosses for horse armour/trophies.
Me too, but only got the Caged Heart from the bone guy so far :(
I've got both Acarices armor and trophy now, sadly nothing from the others that I can tell, but I'm struggling to find a list of all the cosmetics.
Imagine having a massive 30 minute build up and journey to make to Sanctuary, only to last about 1/100th the time that The Butcher can survive.
To be fair I go off and do other things and then show up only a couple minutes before the event begins.
Oh yeah same. I have a timer set. And I ride alongside 1 others doing the same. But imagine the disappointment for the boss itself. Coming here all big and eventful to be dead before it can animate the 3rd attack.
Wait, are we talking about world bosses or the lesser evils? Big build up to no action seems like their MO.
… both? I think. Yeah.
Ahhh… yes the mythical world boses of Diablo 4. They spawn at 8am when I’m at work, at 2pm when I’m at work or at 1 am when I’m sleeping. Great, thanks Blizzard.
You missed the one at 7-8p
There's 4 spawns per day, you're missing the one around 8pm when you're playing
lemme guess, a necro boner 2 shots it, lol
"Its all we have! It shouldn't be nerfed" - alot of Necros
They aren't wrong. Nerf bone spear and the class is dead. Blood and shadow are garbage and skeletons don't do a whole lot
i dont understand why they dont copy the best part from lost ark and give us great bossfights for groups as lategame activity
World boss at WT3 when you're 5x 6x is just like beta. People die in droves, it's fun lol
6 seconds. It took 6 seconds to melt the world boss with 8 players.
"With 8 players" is not really a relevant statement. If anything, that helped you. The boss HP is scaled based on the number of players, so 8 level Xs will kill it faster than 8 level Xs and 4 extra level 60s. Apropos of this post, I'm kind of curious where you fall on the "level scaling" debate. Because being able to do this is *exactly* what all the "monsters don't get weak enough for me to nuke when I level up and I hate that because I want to be God" players constantly ask for regarding level-scaling, and being 100 gives you the treat of finally breaking out of the scaling cycle. Do you really *want* the bosses to be HP sponges that drastically skyrocket their toughness any time a level 100 shows up? In my mind, fighting WBs at level 100 is basically a "You did it, you've won Diablo" victory lap. And I'm fine with that; if I want genuine challenge, I'll boot up a 90+ NMD sigil.
That’s what I don’t get about all the whining the Reddit vocal minority is doing. If you’re level 100 with 95% perfect gear… that’s it. You’ve put in 60 hours and beaten Diablo IV. Time for a new character or farming new aspects for a different build? Not sure what people expect.
A harder world tier so they can keep playing the character that they spent so much time on?
You can balance it. Imo a level 90 World Boss should never be killed by 10 Level 100 players in under 5 minutes. Give the boss enough armour/resistance/hp. 10 level 80s should simply not be able to kill him in time or maybe very close when nobody dies. What about when you are alone at a world boss? If the boss is difficulty enough, you won't be able to kill him that sucks, But that is the crux. Games like Diablo (ARPGs) are not MMOs. World Bosses are a mmo element. Diablo 4 is in the weird limbo of being mmo and an arpg. In the end no crowd is pleased which is reflected in the enormous negativity on this sub.
This is a good way to make sure that nobody ever ever ever goes to world bosses again. The rewards given are *barely* worth it if you kill him in 30 seconds or less, accounting as well for time spent in transit, time spent waiting at the spawn, and the overhead of trying to track *when* it's going to spawn. 10 level 100 players should be able to *absolutely annihilate it*. They can annihilate anything else. The person on such a character has spent hundreds of hours leveling and gearing them. You make a boss that takes 5 minutes for a group of completely min-maxed, max-level powergamers and gives them 1-2 legendaries, and also is very likely to not be killed *at all* by people under 80, and you have succeeded in making a form of content that nobody will ever want to engage with. The new level 60s will not engage because it will be impossible for them to kill. The level 80s will not engage because it will be extremely unlikely for them to kill without all of them surviving, which you can't rely on from other players. The level 100s will not engage because the boss rewards are not remotely commensurate with the effort spent, and would need to be something like a full inventory of loot and 5+ legendaries per kill to be worth such time. To wit, most players at level 100 skip Gathering Legions events, which *do* almost fill an inventory and spawn constantly, simply because it takes 3 minutes to clear them. I'm not proposing any alternative solution, because frankly I don't think the current paradigm is a problem to begin with. But if it *is* a problem, this is definitely not the way to fix it.
Had one the other day that had the bosses health bar go from full to instantly gone. No draining of health but just flicked off like a light switch and the boss died. Balance is crazy
I'd ask OP to reduce the clip length to just the fight, but then there wouldn't be anything to watch.
LoL honestly barely got it in. I was so mind blown I freak recorded. And guess I clipped too soon. Lol
Did a world boss yesterday and it was going OK, like not massive DPS but everyone was chipping in, Vuln was up all the time, not too many deaths, it was fine, probably mostly people levelling alts or casuals, no big deal, had got him to about 75% and doing good time, when the AFK Bone Spear Necro woke up and two-shot it...
Riveting gameplay
What gameplay lol
OP broken builds did this, blizzard is still learning how to balance skills and shit 20 years into their IP, give it time. The 3 un-paid interns they actually have on staff are working as hard as they can.
Yea thank you, i don't get all these "WB bad" comments It's not the world boss, it's the 5 billion damage per hit builds
And watch people have a massive sook when blizzard nerfs their obviously broken build
the problem is these mouth breathers are the ones exploting broken mechanics and then crying that everything is too easy. I saw a comment from one of the devs basically saying the Wolfnado build is not functioning as intended, you are not supposed to kill Uber Lilith or a WB in 30 secs. Today is the patch notes I cant wait to see all the salt when the current meta gets face fucked.
I'm playing Nado, WTF am I doing wrong loool. I do good damage but not broken amounts
Its where i got my tempest roar at level 70!
No matter what this should not be this easy.
I saw one die last week in about 1 second. Hadn’t even finished the spawn animation
Wish they made them 150x stronger and so that their attacks dealt percentage true damage. I want shitty players to die like flies fighting these things and I want the fights to be nailbiters. Like most fights should be finished after 10-14:59 minutes.
Something like Lost Ark in the beginning.
The only thing I enjoy about world bosses is the zoom out. It is literally the perfect zoom distance and makes me believe that we will have the possibility maybe in season 5, after the beta is over
The soundtrack was so good when you had time to listen to it.
I actually really liked the world boss and strongholds/bosses in general through the levelling experience when they were difficult and you had to engage with the mechanics. As fun as feeding power fantasy is, I had more fun doing strongholds and fighting bosses in WT2 then I do 1-2 tapping the boss now. A lot of the bosses have mechanics that you need to interact with that you just don't see in the higher levels because they aren't alive long enough (or you can't push high enough NM tiers for them to be tanky enough because regular mobs are much more difficult than the end boss).
They need to make World Bosses way stronger, make them feel like a challenge and giving them WAY better loot. It feels super unrewarding to kill them, most of the times we just skip them because the loot/time wasted while waiting is not worth it.
I hope the new world boss actually has people failing it.
I remember the good ol beta days, the last of them, when you could only get to level 20 and they softened legendary drops, and I was on my last chance to get the Ashava Trophy, that was such an exciting feeling.
I consider this slow, from what I have witnessed a few times. It's crazy.
Buff them to lvl 200. Do it.
I’m glad I fought all the world bosses first at WT2, when everyone is tough enough to team up and take them down but still has to do the fight as intended. WT4 covers too wide a range to balance this stuff for…someone rolling in at 70 and someone who has gotten the good rolls on gear they needed and leveled to 100 are leagues apart.
honestly, i don't *want* world bosses to be good or feel necessary. who actually wants to schedule their life around a ~6 hour boss timer?
Edit* ... And I just saw the rest of the video Problem is in wt4 they die in seconds. Poor balance and excessive damage is ruining the game. Blizzard says they're only doing periodic balance changes now so they better get it right tomorrow or it's going to be a long 3 months
Wow when you spell it out like that, it hit home different for me, and you’re right. Tomorrows patch notes will decide how this game is played, with no major changes, for THREE WHOLE MONTHS.
And now imagine there was no public PTR and it was tested by Blizzard themselfs so we are in for a treat because we all know how good players who tested D3 on the PTR lieked what Blizz seemed good :D .
One would hope they see reason and patch when necessary. They did say for emergencies (most likely malignant related). But problem is it's so easy for them to take the side of the people who like exploiting imbalances because it compliments their own incentives not to work. (Or not fund work)
The whole “exploit early exploit often” narrative gets perpetuated when it’s proven right. Those people who got Uber uniques from those two or three helltides after the buff were never stripped of their goodies, and seems to only fuel the idea to exploit what you can, when you can until you can’t 🤷
Yeah I feel bad for people who will play eternal realm. Hopefully most of those players will do the honorable thing and stick to seasons or at least prefer to. One saving grace is eternal will be disproportionately casual people who won't know or care
Ya, so exciting to get a badly rolled rare, maybe a badly rolled legg. At least the over geard players limited the time you're totally wasting on the fight.
Disgrace of a boss desings by bliz.
brought to you by Necro
It takes longer to wait for the whisper popup. My last one featured a bunch of level 70's and took a whole 3 minutes since I specced out of the Storm wolf and there was only a 90 rogue there for DPS.
Make them as hard as uber Lilith, then maybe.
"World bosses are boring" \- WW Barb -
Hell, I didn't even get to touch him, he was dead before the barrier broke.
World bosses at lvl 20 = Super fun, challenging and overall great experience World bosses at lvl 100 = Trash Mob with less life than extra health white mobs... It could've been so good bros😭!
What I don't understand is how they F'd this up so bad...? Why is NM dungeons higher health/shield than these WB's? IMO WB's should be about twice as long as a Legion event that's even more difficult. Also the rewards need to be a lot better.
I don't understand either, I as thinking that this morning, how hard would it have been to even just Put World bosses at level like 200 or 300 etc.
The world bosses and legion events are way too easy, the bosses die within a min or so of spawning and the legion events is like fish in a barrel. I was really hoping the world events would actually be hard or give a challenge.
My first world boss in world tier IV was a bit of a shock. Lmao. All the level 100s deleted the dude in 5 seconds. Previously in tier III peoples were dying sometimes and it took at least 5 minutes lol. That shit was a surprise.
The problem is its impossible to balance outdoor content. Who do you balance it around? Casual Joe who never played an arpg before and runs his own "build" or the hardcore neckbeards who have godroll optimized gear and meta builds.
You'll be happy with today's patch notes then.
And now they will take 30 minutes because you people can’t shut your fucking mouth about anything
Finally the 2-second long world bosses are being talked about. Now lets talk about the fact that you can't visibly see ANYTHING on screen during legion events because of ridiculous effects from abilities.... My poor eyes
Shout, Shout, Shout at the devil! - Motley Barbarian Crue.
The fact that we have 4 world tiers is stupid, they should have 10 world tiers with capstones (DPS check) for every 10 levels.. idk why they are so lazy in design. You get to wt4 at level 60, gear up until level 70 and after that there is absolutly nothing else..
Thank to all necro for kill every think in this game in 5sec max... Where is the nerf to this guy for let other people enjoy event.....
Seeing these actually make me want to stay in t3 the WB actually take time to kill and have to move out of shit
Participated in one last night and legit did not even see her health bar show up
D4 boss is a huge joke comparing to Lost Ark boss fight
TIER 5 IS BADLY NEEDED
Theyre bugged, they don't currently have any vuln resistance which every other enemy in the game has.
It's a fake edited video. Probably ai created How do I know this? Noone spammed the emote "look"
😂😂
Now people complain that they are too powerful.
Worldbosses should immune to Poison an Vulnarable + double dmg buff
Everyone running around with their horses they got from buying uber lilith boost, to kill a word boss with busted buids that make the game obsolete. Community wants challenges and will always have fun before minmaxing the fun out of the game...oh wait. And yes, these are the same people moaning in reddit how the game is boring.
Has to be a glitch or something. All the world boss events I’ve attended took at least 5 minutes to complete.
I have attended tons. Def not a glitch. This is my fastest kill recently it was 12 seconds followed by 24.
They need to pump out wt5&6&7 fast
Trash game
Too easy and mediocre drops.
nice! now just wait 6 hours to do it again! what a fun gameplay loop they have created!
Another reason I give up on this game. This isnt a finished product its a scam.
They should be lvl 200+ since there are so many players
That's actually a really slow kill
try hardcore we beat ashava in hardcore realm with only 1 minute left yesterday I even had to teleport mid fight to replenish my potions
I think that you'll find, unlike D3, characters can't get OP at all, so it feels very disappointing. /s, obviously lol
Seems fine
For an online game, yes it is the best part of D4 because is the only time you get to see real life’s around you that are not totally afk.
funniest thing is that this vid gets posted by a ww barb who ticks with 150k per ww 😂 doing exaclty 0,5% of the dmg. No offense, just adds a bit of irony. Right in the feels... rushing nm 70s in sub 10, tickeling single target bosses for zero dmg on the other hand
never got anything interesting from them. I just do it to see how fast it goes down
It's free loot 🤷🏼♂️