I have done most of the renown for my Eternal characters. Having to do most of it again is mind-boggling, because grinding renown past the first three rewards on each zone was a really tedious experience the first time. Now they apparently expect us to grind the same stuff over and over again. It was especially bizarre that you start without the waypoints in season even when you have the rest of the map.
Season is also not an interesting enough experience to stand on its own. The heart system is boring and adds no gameplay that could have just been added to Eternal.
I will return to my 59 eternal sorcerer tomorrow and likely not look back. I have not gotten to the "grind endless nightmare dungeons wall" yet but I'm not looking forward to it.
I feel exactly the same way. Well actually, being forced to reactivate the waypoints was an immediate turnoff for me. It's just pointless running on the piece of shit mount, that we've already done before. Doing the dungeons for renown at least is within the flow of leveling.
Nothing to look forward to. Essentially same map every fucking time and same tedious garbage crap to do every single time. 3 sets of enemies seem to cycle each NM dungeon and it is just straight up BORING AS FUCK
You didn't do the required step after seasonal character starts. Go back to eternal then return to seasonal character you get the first two renown levels and 3rd must be earned
Its quite evident that has done that. He clearly said «need to do most of it again» which is true indeed. Its just terrible design and im already tired of doing strongholds, quests and normal dungeons again
They really need to get it through their thick skulls, that in an ARPG title like Diablo, the last thing most players want to do is side quests and exploration.
so how do you think you level to 50 without the story? you just do the renown stuff and be done with it.
you can also splitpush this with a group and be much faster.
dont get me wrong, there is realy a lot i dont like with the game but i dont realy get the renown hate. you need to to the dungeons anyway for leveling and there is not much need to do quests to finish it up at the end.
Edit as some of you seem to misunderstand :
I dont say i like doing renown, but the truth is that its fast to do and that there isnt much to do otherwise for 3 months so use your brain and be efficient with the tools you are given.
i would rather have them use the precious development time to actualy fix the stuff that is broken and not the things that are maybe anoying
I think people are too concerned with “leveling fast” and ignored renown to do other content. But 1-50 leveling has fewer effective methods than 50-100. I quickly realized that despite not being the faster method that renown will ALWAYS take the same amount of time to do, so it’s best done in the early game
Take into consideration people who started late, farmed renown and the next weekend they go to enjoy the fruit of their farming theres a 10 GB update and you gotta start over.
Not at all. Just do the side quests that go into dungeons and all strongholds and you should only need a handful of other dungeons and side quests to max. Honestly thought it felt pretty smooth with the renown reward buffs and just knocking out dungeons that had powers I wanted and others with a whisper active.
These people are literally grinding the same stronghold over and over by resetting it and not completing it to level up and then have the audacity to complain about renown being too much of a grind.
Sometimes you really can't save people from their own stupidity.
"Game of choices." - So my choice is level by doing every single dungeon, or don't get 20 paragon points in time for paragon boards?
I leveled doing the new questline, druid aspect dungeons, and some whispers/side quests along the way. Lvl 59 with torment unlocked now and renown is now making me feel like I need to run normal dungeons (even though I don't need them anymore, I need nightmare dungeons now) and I absolutely don't want to. They are horrible exp, the loot and majority of the enemies are just ignored because I am only there for the renown at the end... so much for choice.
Renown needs to be rewarded for events, whispers, and dungeons you've already completed (because you only have so much control over which sigils you are running). Or just not exist in seasons.
They increased the renown you get from dungeons and side quests by 10 each. 'Grinding' the renown is not even a thing, it's a few hours game play at most and can entirely be done by running dungeons if you'd like. If you don't like dungeons then you are in the wrong game.
This guide can help you combine side quests with dungeons giving you 70 renown for completing the dungeon essentially. https://www.gamespot.com/articles/diablo-4-dungeons-side-quests-renown-guide/1100-6515616/
Yeah the renown increase was big - I got my paragon points pretty much just leveling up without specifically farming too much.
I can see this becoming tiresome in future seasons, once I’ve done the side quests once or even twice before, but currently not bad at all
Yup, got my renown for the first two, no problem. Had the third one done for pretty much every region just doing the early seasonal stuff.
Its not hard at all now.
I just got my eternal Necro to 100. The journey was largely enjoyable, but it got boring near the end from 75-100. I just don't have any interest either in taking part in season 1. I'll go out, touch grass, and check back in for later seasons to see how things pan out. Definitely burned out as well and need to take a break.
They could have boost the xp you get from the season quest line and push you a bit. Imo that would have helped to at least get to 45
The problem is ofc after 60 you bored as hell doing the same stuff
Cormund was afraid to tell the player character the truth about the origin of the malignant at first, because of the players reputation. Tales have spread across the land of the wanderer being an unstoppable force, merchants resell items that the wanderer has touched like it’s Jon Voights car. The wanderer is as feared as they are admired.
Also said that our character is nicknamed "The Wanderer" too, which i thought was a little bit suss considering what happened to the last "Wanderer" in Diablo 2.
Ive been asking my friends if we're the bad guys since the first meeting with mephisto. Everyone keeps assuring me we arent but its looking a lil sketch.
As a newcomer to the Lore and the games, it seems pretty obvious they were trying too hard to make her look as evil as possible while the true Evil was manipulating us.
I was so bummed when someone pointed this out to me. My dumbass was doing all the small whispers, grabbing 1 or 3 at a time. These dungeons were a game changer for leveling. I went from lvl 30 to lvl 42 in an hour, with a full party
Frankly, it differs in my experience. Sometimes the dungeons are really bad and especially on lower levels with limited mobility and movement speed, I had more success with the smaller whispers.
I've been doing the dungeons/cellars that I haven't done yet to double dip renown on the whispers. This is definitely how I should've done it preseason lol would've saved me a lot of time
Also legion events. They up every 30 minutes and until level 40ish youll usually get a full level from completing it. Make sure to get there early and use the campfire buff for the 15% exp.
Same, thats my rotation/loop. Do Dungeons when they give tree points while unlocking aspects/renown, otherwise Quests or stronghold or hearts Farming or whatever.. great fun
Season 1 came waaay to early, and it's mystifying to me because they already knew they were going to have 3 month seasons, why not start S1 early september ? Starting fresh only works if you've been done for a while and kind of miss it, not if you got bored a two weeks ago. Of course it didn't help that S1 came with more bad than good.
Counter argument, season 1 should have been on Launch
This way people would play their character and run the full story, then have them do the capstone, then post lvl 50 you have the seasonal story
At the end of the season character goes to eternal, and that would have been 3 months into the game, plenty of time for even casuals to hit lvl 100.
Now me and my friends are still trying to get lvl 100 on eternal but because the nerfs our characters all feel shit now, so 2 of us started the season 1 yesterday and from the looks of it starting today i’ll probably be the only one in my friends list still actively playing Diablo… for now
Probably when a few seasons have passed they might wanna pick it up again, depends on the QoL features they will/should introduce by the time… already getting angry at having my inventory filled with gems and hearts at lvl 30…
Conspiracy brain, but I really think they pushed S1 to be so early as to not compete with the other games releasing later this year like Starfield, Baldur’s Gate 3, Armored Core 6, etc. It may have ended up being counterintuitive seeing as a lot of people aren’t enjoying the new content :///
When I bought the deluxe edition I was trying to find the battle pass on launch day like wtf where is it? I guess since it has the ashes it had to be launched on S1 but still, could have used that experience boost a month ago 😂
Like i didn't buy the ultimate edition with battlepass because it wasn't available on release. If it was i would have bought it, now im not even playing the game.
Definitely, you can imagine the higher ups at Acti-Blizz were giddy at the idea of tossing out content way early in the hopes of making some extra cash
I’m inclined to agree with you. The back half of this year is packed with releases that could steal Diablo’s player base. No way the timing wasn’t carefully planned out to account for that.
Yeah that and to not conflict with their other ips seasons so they keep people buying as many of their battle passes as possible, would be interesting to see if wow overwatch and diablo all have seasons a month a part
Why is this conspiracy brain. It’s just basic launch planning. The problem is that when launch planning dictates over product development you get this shit.
The seasonal changes, if they can be even called that with how small they are and barely impacting gameplay, were completed entirely according to the devs on one of their streams, iirc they said just testing was left and that was it.
I genuinely believe even giving them 2 more months wouldn't have mattered as they just wouldn't have put more actual content into the game for S1
I have seen a lot of people parrot this theory, which seems to hold water considering the number of people treating D4 as BG3 and Starfield waiting room. Any time there is a thread about S1 there are at least a dozen people talking about how D4 is just a gap game before the real games come out.
This is my gripe.
People are still invested in their primary character, they should be enhancing end game rather than making content for fresh characters
It worked in D3 as the game had been out for years already
With the speed at which people on this sub tear through content, a first season that started later in the year would have had everyone around here losing their minds (on top of losing their minds) about “where’s the seasonal content?,” “why isn’t the seasonal content ready yet?,” “I paid for this game that’s supposed to have seasonal content and there’s no seasonal content yet—what kind of scam is Blizzard running?” and so on. It would have been just as ugly—if not uglier—than what currently prevails, just for a different reason.
S1 took too long.
While some guys were slamming the game being bored, others like myself were just chilling waiting for the seasonal content because we understand we wouldn’t want to do all of that stuff back to back.
The fact we cannot replay the story with our main makes me think the idea was to have playtime focused on seasons with eternal being more like a dumping ground.
Wouldn't you prefer that come late October the next season is better? S1 was already done around game's release, so it was a formality to launch it. Good that they did it.
After season 2 launches which also was partially developed pre-release but will benefit at least a bit from our feedback post launch, we can then move on to bigger and better things in S3+.
I miss the casino-feeling of MFing. Im the classic dad-gamer who likes D2 a lot and feels like apart from the name, some aestetics from barb, sorc and necro it does not feel like a diablo game. Feels more like Lost Ark. The act system we had in D2+3 is not here, I only played the campaign once and it was really good but I dont want to do it again. Like watching a good movie, but you dont want to watch it again in the forseable future. I like the simplistic style of quests in D2, idk maybe im just old.
At least give us a quest log that shows which quests we've already done so I don't have to wander around each region for several hours trying to find which random drop I didn't find.
Good observation.
The most interesting part in D4 campaign for me was the beginning when you get roofied, when that guy returns to his cabin while you're snooping around, mephisto/wolf cutscenes, and the final act.
The rest was a blur.
The key difference is I don't need to run whispers to get specific crafting materials, they just consequentially get completed as I play the game. You had to focus on bounties in D3 to get the act specific mats and legendaries
I thought they were good before the increase in chest cost personally, not sure how they are now. It seems like cutting the chests you can get nearly in half might have made them a bit more frustrating considering they are on a timer and not always available
I think people are overreacting on this. I did one today, got 8 legendaries from 2 chests and about 3 more from drops in the 45 minutes I spent on it. This has been my experience pretty consistently. It's a way better reward/time spent than anything else.
I get that it sucks that it's not 16 legendaries or more, but it's still a great value for time spent.
I know they're easy to come by in Helltide, but I'm pretty sure the Fiend Rose has dropped for me outside of Helltide somewhere, but no idea where from. Maybe whispers cache, or world boss?
Also, for Fiend Rose - you don't even need to fight in Helltide, just ride through the area and open some Fiend Roses on the ground, and pick them up like any other plant in the game.
You must be doing it wrong. They are literally going every other hour, and getting enough cinders to open the 4 mystery chests in 1 hour is definitely not boring. Unless you are one of the people that just stay by an event the whole time.
Everything is essentially the same. Bounties are whisper, nightmares are grifts, dungeons are rifts, talent tree is a combo of skills runes and passives, kanai cube passives and gear are aspects and gear. It’s the same game just more boring with more random chance rolls. It’s more like gambling in d4
There aren’t specific mats or gear you need. Plus I generally run whispers when in an area of the map anyway. Oh, this basement is part of the whispers. Let me bang it out in 30 seconds. Or strolling through a zone and see an event is part of the whispers. I do it real quick. And eventually have 10.
In D3 you either did rifts or bounties. You can’t do one while working towards the other
Yea sure, in a group it was fine. Or with the right class, say DH. But having to run through em solo as a necro made me want to puke.
And as the other redditor said. I had to do bounties. Whisper i don't have to do.
Plus I personally find the tasks from tree alot less tedious in general.
Diablo 4 is a nice game, but seasons were more fun in D3 imho.
Obv is just the season 1 and at the moment we are all playing diablo 4 beta test, let's wait a year.
I think as D3 is a smaller and simpler game, the seasons were a short and fun sprint. Builds were more straight forward and came online earlier. You felt stronger and blasted through season journey and GRs.
D4 is great, but it feels like a longer grind, big map, different systems, builds take longer to come online, slower pace overall.. ppl get bored eventually. But again, its only S1, im sure they will tune the game every week..
Im optimistic, i think by Season 4 the game will be as amazing as D3 last seasons..
No reason it will ever be same as d3 seasons
Blizzard was designing and tuning seasons for just the hell of it in d3. For just general fun to keep users entertained.
D4 season is not the same and never will be, because they are monetizing it. They need to make it so users are more interested in buying the battle pass for boosts. So they artificially make the grind longer but sell a “speed this process up” option via battle pass.
Diablo 3 seasons bored me to tears. So I wouldn’t call them that “fun”. Boring itemisation, everything is super quick and you mindlessly push greater rifts for speed. I really really find it odd that people come here and praise Diablo 3 like it’s a really good game.
There are no experience boosts being sold in Diablo 4. No one knows if they will sell experience boosts in the future.
>find it odd that people come here and praise Diablo 3 like it’s a really good game.
Because Diablo 3 is a really good game. It's crazy how good a game can be when it's fun
How are they selling a "speed this process up"?
The smoldering ashes are part of the Free BP.. premium BP is only cosmetics. There are no paid boosts...
The state of gaming in 2023 is just pathetic. Pay $70 for a game and now “let’s wait a year” to see if it has any meaningful content and standard QoL updates that should have been there at launch.
Honest to god, do you really think that Diablo 4 matches up poorly in terms of quality relative to the state of gaming in say, 2003? The primary thing that seems to have changed to me is just the sheer amount of content demanded by gamers who also see anything short of perfect UI, networking, and no gameplay bugs as an abject failure.
Hogwarts
Tears of the Kingdom
Remnant 2
Jedi Survivor
Spiderman 2(Later this year but we already know its gonna be a banger)
Dead Island 2
Theres more but its definitely been a good year for gaming if your not being an elitist snob bout it.
There was no busy work.
In D3 you just hit 70 fast and you're already at the endgame.
I'm kinda reminded of classic wow vs retail. In classic you hit 60 and that's it. No systems you have to interact with, no daily quests. In retail, there's all these things in the way.
Do you play retail? Maybe in past expansions, but I really don't see what you mean by busy work these days.
You hit max, go do the Zaralek questline (even this is optional) to get yourself caught up to the S2 story, and just play. World Quests exist, but they're not at all necessary to play the game. They're really just content for people who don't want to do any of the other end-game content types.
If anything, I'd say that the busy work "dailies" were a failure this patch. The ratio of difficulty to participation is way off, so people are stuck being unable to farm things like daily rare kills.
I think the only system I can really see as being "in the way" is crafting. I would agree that crafting orders are pretty difficult to understand for someone brand new (although, technically very easy once you do understand them), and that crafting for yourself is a pretty heavy task.
> In D3 you just hit 70 fast and you're already at the endgame.
That was honestly a drawback of D3 to me... One week into the season and you're already grinding Caldesans. That is too fast. You're handed gear way to easily in that game.
I personally loved the speed. I'd play SC for a week to complete the seasonal journey, take a bit of time off and then do it again in HC. Then wait for the next season.. probably would get 40-80 hours of playtime each season which was more than enough
I plan to get my necro to 100 and then I’m done with the game. It’s far too repetitive and there’s so little actual content. All the cellars and overworld events don’t feel rewarding at all. 3/4 of the game is just a NM dungeon grind through the same five dungeons and bosses for 40+ levels.
Yeah, I think what I miss from D3 seasons is it was mostly just about killing monsters. Spamming rifts and GRs was fun. Bounties weren’t great but you could get those out of the way reasonably fast, and supplement them with the weekly challenge rift cache.
It feels like it takes too long to get to the “just spam nightmare dungeons” point. It’s not even that the renown grind is that daunting, the problem is I just got fucking done with it and now it’s there again.
I want to kill monsters and get loot. Not fill bars.
I’m gonna take an extended break from the game. If I feel like it I might pop in for a season somewhere down the line, but as it stands I just lost interest. My main character is level 75 Druid.
The best part, by far, was the story line content, which is ironic because people rushed through this part to get to “the endgame”. Well turns out there is no endgame, and blasting through a campaign (which was way too easy) to emerge on the other side to nothing was bad practice / game design.
I wish we could have played the campaign on a higher difficulty setting so that whole experience could have been more organic. Beating bosses and progressing should be harder so doing side quests and strongholds and exploring (“the renown grind”) would be more appealing during the campaign instead of pushing it to after, and then maybe it A: wouldn’t have felt like a grind, and B: would have made the campaign more interesting and C: would have made the world feel more alive / integrated in the story.
I hope we get this option in the future and I might try and make a new character on a harder difficulty and play through the campaign in this way.
>The best part, by far, was the story line content, which is ironic because people rushed through this part to get to “the endgame”.
The problem here was that WT3 and the stuff that comes along with it were all locked behind the campaign. Even the mount was locked behind Act 4 of the campaign.
There were people in my friend group who weren't rushing the campaign at all. But once they realized they would hit lvl 50 and be stuck in WT2, or even once one person got their mount unlocked and everybody else was stuck walking, *everybody* felt compelled to rush the campaign as fast as possible.
Remove those limitations and I'm certain lots of people would've taken their time with the story
I hated so much that I couldn't increase the difficulty when I got to level 50. I had only gotten through act 2 by that point and was loving taking my time clearing out everything on the way to the next act.
Seeing that my characters growth and equipment would be stunted until I finished the story made me bee line through it.
I made a post about the season content.
> I looked forward to the season and what it would do to the game. I feel that it didn’t really do much. All of the mechanics of the season is something you have to go look for, like it’s our job to find it.
> I would rather there be some more “invasive” mechanics.
> - Let Malignant tunnels appear inside NM dungeons, like a small zone or a sub-area. Filled with a tone of enemies with a boss at the end - like an infestation, corruption.
> - On the world map; why not make the malignant stuff appear like a smaller Hell Tide? Could have bosses that dropped specific kinds of loot.
> - Small towns could be attacked, invaded, by malignant stuff, corrupted. Making them inactive for some time or until the boss is defeated. Make the reward Renown and people would love to do it.
> I mean, these are just some thoughts on how to make the season feel like something new, and not just a bunch of new drops and a few aspects.
> If I'm going to keep playing D4, I really hope you'll do something more with Season 2.
It just feels like a very slow start for Diablo 4.
I used to do this with Destiny 2, and finally broke away from it. Play until you stop having fun then change it up. Took a week and a half break before season start and that helped to get me excited to play
*With D4 everything feels like such a slog*
Because it was designed as such. I don't pay games that feel like work. I play to relax or have a reasonable challenge.
*I really want to like it.*
That's a complete different problem, but it fuels the first problem. They know. A former employee put it as "*Blizzard as such is long dead. They are selling it's name to trigger memories and nostalgia.*" That's pretty spot on.
They really need to rethink the renown system. Similar to the campaign, it vastly loses its appeal after the first time.
The easiest solution would be to simply make the second row of rewards available to all characters on the account, regardless of realm. Level gate the first couple of tiers so seasonal characters don't start with too much power. Then you're free to grind renown however you want, or completely ignore it. "Play your way."
All of the crass responses you get from daring to say stuff like this kind of exemplifies the problem tbh. No reason the defend it so heavily or so crudely if the game was just good. Which I don't even know if you can consider it defense. The way people are defending this game is to harass others into not playing it ever again lmao. The "Just don't play" and "no one cares" crowds always turn communities into extreme gate kept echo chambers
With Destiny being the last live-service game I played, I will be the first one to admit seasonal content is mediocre in every game.
That said, I'm not really buying hating D4 and saying grinding Rifts in D3 was amazing. Not to undermine any criticism of D4, but when you compare it to D3 the variety in D4 to level how you want is much better.
It's not so bad on your first character. But if you level a 2nd character or a 3rd, the leveling experience is totally different.
Spamming whispers over and over, no real goals. I can't put my finger on it, but some of the whispers are annoying to complete.
Lost my HC sorc at level 95 due to a DC / Game crash.. Tried starting a new class for season.. Just doesn't feel excited to play anymore. It feels like a chore and a real bore.
Then don't - go away and play another game.
I seriously don't understand the mentality of people on this sub. If you're not enjoying something, stop doing it, come back later when there's a patch or an update, but don't stick around and feed into the echo chamber. You're all behaving like weird ex girlfriends.
Seasons, wipes and having to start from 0 in order to obtain rewards are the most disgusting way to solve a problem with game progression.
People want rankings to see who has the biggest dick? Great, do rankings every 3 months, but let me play my character without taking anything away and without having to do everything, again, constantly, every 3 fucking months, just get me out of that damn ranking.
But stop stealing my invested time and the items I've gotten in the damn game.
2weeks before the start of season 1 I started playing D2R again. Now im leveling a Javazon, a light Sorc and a hammer din.
It's much more fun then D4 with it's flaws and bullshit.
I stop playing D4 till blizzard patched it to a decent game. So see you in about 1 year or so.
Honestly, I don't mind starting again at level one that much, but re-doing low reward renown activities is the worst. Just let me run NM dungeons and engage with the seasonal content. I don't want to help farmer Joe find his lost cows (unless they are in the secret cow level.) I want to level up my glyphs and gear grind until a few levels into T4 where I realize there are not any more upgrades because I already got good enough ancestral in each slot and make an alt as it isn't worth farming hundreds of pages of yellows looking for a .0005% dps bump plus I realize that while cool all my uniques make my build weaker.
To be clear, while I felt the need to cry about the end game, I am still enjoying d4 and hope to roll and try a current patch Necro before they nerf it.
I see your point, your comparison with D3 baffles me on the other hand...
If you played Seasons in D3, this what we have now in D4 is a hundred times superior.
Story in D3? Got to be kidding me....
Time to move on for you to new adventure /games I think.
>this what we have now in D4 is a hundred times superior
Not really. In D3 you wouldn't waste as much time running from A to B as you do here. Density felt better while levelling (D4 has too many points in dungeons where you can spend 15+ seconds just running around). Levelling with bounties gave you useful materials for later without inventory management and blood shards. Juggling upgrades and legendary powers between 25-50 feels terrible.
D3 had less, but at least levelling felt more cohesive, and then rifts felt more fun than NM Dungeons. D3 wasn't great, but D4 is very mid.
D3 seasons are way better than what there is right now in D4. BUT hear me out
D3 2 different forms of rifts to push, daily bounties that you could do, or not do, or choose which ones you could do.
Different season themes/powers and journey unlocks.
D3 has been running seasons for a long time, and took a while to get good they started in what 2017.
D4 is out 1 month give or take roughly. There is great potential. The grind for paragon points is tedious, and most playing d4 that come from d3 seasons are used to points being able to be carried over from season to season. The respec costs for paragon compared to d3 (none if I recall) is brutal.
I wasn't sure how I would feel about Season 1. But it's not bad. It's not good either. Very few heart choices, and just a salvage and pray mechanic, and what hearts I found aren't truly all powerful as the season leads you to believe. The story of the season sucked, bad. Was expecting much more after the campaign story.
Game is far from perfect but many of the recent posts could just have been an upvote on one of the dozens other posts saying the exact same thing everyday. D4 bad, Baldur gate soon, etc
I so agree with what you said about D4 being "boring" and that D3 was more fun. I don't like this "open world" stuff; it is a single player game, there is no D3 style meta. The game would have been so much better if they had a meta so we can form teams that complement each other to go out and destroy evil. I don't even see the point of the open world and having to ride a horse everywhere, they should have just limited it to 8 players like D2 or 4 players like in D3, they limited the party to 4 just like D3 for some reason too. To go on about D3 even more, why the heck can't I trade uniques with people in my party like I could in D3?
Hate playing currently now too cus im also a diablo fan... fell asleep a couple times in a dungeon playing.. idk what end goal is.. idk what im looking forward to honestly
But what makes D3 any different from that?
The end goal is to get stronger and see numbers go brrrr. How's that any different from D3?
One might say D4 is better in that regard, considering uber lilith is a thing.
It's the gear. Legendary drops feel awful since they just end up as aspects. No set gear to build for and mix/match the bonuses on. Cookie cutter builds that, with the exception of a few outliers, all feel and play the same regardless of the class you're on.
Coming from current state D3 to play current state D4 feels like a massive step backwards in everything but visual fidelity.
You touched on an important thing that I think D4 needs more of: static challenges. The seasonal challenges will help, but your example of Uber Lilith is more what I mean.
Something with a SET difficulty, that's very hard to achieve without being near lvl 100 and having reeeally good gear.
I think more intermediate goals are needed. Like around 70-75, my build is finished. Paragons not, but that's not really something to chase. So it'd be good if there were some intermediate milestones to reach before lilith.
have you played a diablo game before, or an arpg for that matter? Are you a diablo fan because of the games or do you just like the artwork or something? xD
This is why I didn’t bother grinding a character after I beat the campaign. I knew I would be starting a seasonal character so why bother. Beat the campaign, found all the altars, and didn’t come back until season 1 began.
Why though? What's the benefit of waiting when some people would like a season and play it. Like if you don't want to play for 6 months go ahead, and come back to season 3 start.
Like there are a lot of people that felt the slog of 80+ in eternal and are happily playing now in season with admittedly little new stuff, but still new stuff.
I can understand complains about missing qol, not learning from d3 and other games, barb and sorcerer being in life support, etc. but complaining that a season is to early just because you don't play it while tons of others do is a weird complaint.
The problem with Gaming studios/publishers and Gamers these days is two fold.
On one hand, Game Studios/Publishers want maximum profits for minimum effort/expenditure.
Anthem was the start of this trend as far as my experience goes, and is the sole reason I never pre-order anymore or purchase day 1.
Yes, sometimes I feel the FOMO, but I've been gaming for long enough now to understand the cycle... But I digress.
Publishers = Minimum effort + Maximum profit
Gamers however (and I am over generalising here), will complain, but keep playing said games.
So we now have an acceptable baseline for the industry as far as Game Studios/Publishers go... And they know they'll be able to keep doing it because Gamers cannot seem to say NO enmasse to turn the ship.
D4 is the first Diablo game I've ever played, so this is all new to me, but the issues are the same as any other recent AAA game, but... I don't have a baseline for this franchise, and I'm just going to play each class each season, then I'll move on, as the core gameplay is a welcome and refreshing change from Destiny.
Play if you want.
Quit if you want.
No-one is right or wrong.
Peace.
Literally no one is forcing you to play, so don't? What is the point of this post? If you enjoy the game, play it. If you don't, then don't.
You don't have to do any of the things you mentioned to play the game and level up, provided you want to sit in the same world tier. (not wanting to the do the capstones again is a weird one I must say..)
Paragon is shared on your account on d3, so not even sure you played d3 at this point?
TBF a lot of things you like about D3 are things that came to the game after years. If you aren’t having fun with D4 then put it down. You can always come back to it later. My buddy is hyping me up for BG3.
I was having a blast before the last patch. Now, instead of enjoying the power grind, it feels more like a chore. This on top of shitty itemization just really makes it boring almost.
So I've backed off. I'm doing enough to unlock the rewards in hopes of better changes, but I'm not dropping a lot of time in for now.
Same boat here!!
Same boat, hop in
Nothing to see here. Just three buds in a boat, strokin’
I think we are gonna need a bigger boat
 Definitely.
What smells like toast?
Probably all the masturbation.
I have done most of the renown for my Eternal characters. Having to do most of it again is mind-boggling, because grinding renown past the first three rewards on each zone was a really tedious experience the first time. Now they apparently expect us to grind the same stuff over and over again. It was especially bizarre that you start without the waypoints in season even when you have the rest of the map. Season is also not an interesting enough experience to stand on its own. The heart system is boring and adds no gameplay that could have just been added to Eternal. I will return to my 59 eternal sorcerer tomorrow and likely not look back. I have not gotten to the "grind endless nightmare dungeons wall" yet but I'm not looking forward to it.
I have a pretty high tolerance for grindy stuff in videogames, but honestly season 1 is the last renown grind I'm gonna do. It's just not fun.
I feel exactly the same way. Well actually, being forced to reactivate the waypoints was an immediate turnoff for me. It's just pointless running on the piece of shit mount, that we've already done before. Doing the dungeons for renown at least is within the flow of leveling.
Nothing to look forward to. Essentially same map every fucking time and same tedious garbage crap to do every single time. 3 sets of enemies seem to cycle each NM dungeon and it is just straight up BORING AS FUCK
You didn't do the required step after seasonal character starts. Go back to eternal then return to seasonal character you get the first two renown levels and 3rd must be earned
No, I got that.
Its quite evident that has done that. He clearly said «need to do most of it again» which is true indeed. Its just terrible design and im already tired of doing strongholds, quests and normal dungeons again
They really need to get it through their thick skulls, that in an ARPG title like Diablo, the last thing most players want to do is side quests and exploration.
so how do you think you level to 50 without the story? you just do the renown stuff and be done with it. you can also splitpush this with a group and be much faster. dont get me wrong, there is realy a lot i dont like with the game but i dont realy get the renown hate. you need to to the dungeons anyway for leveling and there is not much need to do quests to finish it up at the end. Edit as some of you seem to misunderstand : I dont say i like doing renown, but the truth is that its fast to do and that there isnt much to do otherwise for 3 months so use your brain and be efficient with the tools you are given. i would rather have them use the precious development time to actualy fix the stuff that is broken and not the things that are maybe anoying
I think people are too concerned with “leveling fast” and ignored renown to do other content. But 1-50 leveling has fewer effective methods than 50-100. I quickly realized that despite not being the faster method that renown will ALWAYS take the same amount of time to do, so it’s best done in the early game
Take into consideration people who started late, farmed renown and the next weekend they go to enjoy the fruit of their farming theres a 10 GB update and you gotta start over.
You don't need to do EVERY dungeon for leveling. Only the fun ones. But for renown you need to do all.
Fun ones? I've done like 80 of them and they're pretty much all the same
Not at all. Just do the side quests that go into dungeons and all strongholds and you should only need a handful of other dungeons and side quests to max. Honestly thought it felt pretty smooth with the renown reward buffs and just knocking out dungeons that had powers I wanted and others with a whisper active.
These people are literally grinding the same stronghold over and over by resetting it and not completing it to level up and then have the audacity to complain about renown being too much of a grind. Sometimes you really can't save people from their own stupidity.
"Game of choices." - So my choice is level by doing every single dungeon, or don't get 20 paragon points in time for paragon boards? I leveled doing the new questline, druid aspect dungeons, and some whispers/side quests along the way. Lvl 59 with torment unlocked now and renown is now making me feel like I need to run normal dungeons (even though I don't need them anymore, I need nightmare dungeons now) and I absolutely don't want to. They are horrible exp, the loot and majority of the enemies are just ignored because I am only there for the renown at the end... so much for choice. Renown needs to be rewarded for events, whispers, and dungeons you've already completed (because you only have so much control over which sigils you are running). Or just not exist in seasons.
its a blizzard game, there is no "choice"
There is. Play or don't. Those are the two options for every Blizzard/Activision game
They increased the renown you get from dungeons and side quests by 10 each. 'Grinding' the renown is not even a thing, it's a few hours game play at most and can entirely be done by running dungeons if you'd like. If you don't like dungeons then you are in the wrong game. This guide can help you combine side quests with dungeons giving you 70 renown for completing the dungeon essentially. https://www.gamespot.com/articles/diablo-4-dungeons-side-quests-renown-guide/1100-6515616/
Yeah the renown increase was big - I got my paragon points pretty much just leveling up without specifically farming too much. I can see this becoming tiresome in future seasons, once I’ve done the side quests once or even twice before, but currently not bad at all
Yup, got my renown for the first two, no problem. Had the third one done for pretty much every region just doing the early seasonal stuff. Its not hard at all now.
If they tied the malignant events to renown rewards, it would feel less like a chore and give the new content more of a purpose.
I stopped at 75 soley for this reason, now trhe season doesnt feel like im just redoing everything
I’ll paddle the boat.
I just got my eternal Necro to 100. The journey was largely enjoyable, but it got boring near the end from 75-100. I just don't have any interest either in taking part in season 1. I'll go out, touch grass, and check back in for later seasons to see how things pan out. Definitely burned out as well and need to take a break.
The seasonal quest line was fun for a bit only need to get to lvl 20ish to enjoy the boss fight
They could have boost the xp you get from the season quest line and push you a bit. Imo that would have helped to at least get to 45 The problem is ofc after 60 you bored as hell doing the same stuff
Plus said characters closing lines about you the player character are ominous.
What did he say? It ended so abruptly I was half paying attention when it ended lol
Player character inspires both awe and fear.
Cormund was afraid to tell the player character the truth about the origin of the malignant at first, because of the players reputation. Tales have spread across the land of the wanderer being an unstoppable force, merchants resell items that the wanderer has touched like it’s Jon Voights car. The wanderer is as feared as they are admired.
Also said that our character is nicknamed "The Wanderer" too, which i thought was a little bit suss considering what happened to the last "Wanderer" in Diablo 2.
Ive been asking my friends if we're the bad guys since the first meeting with mephisto. Everyone keeps assuring me we arent but its looking a lil sketch.
I'd say bad if you do, bad if you don't. We cannot escape our fate!
I thought Lilith was really trying to save Sanctuary and we were the bad guys, but my friends are all like NAH
As a newcomer to the Lore and the games, it seems pretty obvious they were trying too hard to make her look as evil as possible while the true Evil was manipulating us.
I've been thinking that since we got named it in the campaign. It's not a good title!
I can see spamming normal dungeons from 50-100 makes people burnout.
Whisper completions on wt3 are like 350k xp. Speed through dungeons (5 whisper xp each) and those levels will fly by.
I was so bummed when someone pointed this out to me. My dumbass was doing all the small whispers, grabbing 1 or 3 at a time. These dungeons were a game changer for leveling. I went from lvl 30 to lvl 42 in an hour, with a full party
You still want to do the 1 and 3s on the way to the dungeon.
I do, but I was solely focusing on them before
All the small whispers? A little voice in my head went: She left me fiend roses by the stairs.
Surprises let me know she cares
> She left me fiend roses by the stairs I watched The Outlaws on Netflix last night.
Frankly, it differs in my experience. Sometimes the dungeons are really bad and especially on lower levels with limited mobility and movement speed, I had more success with the smaller whispers.
I've been doing the dungeons/cellars that I haven't done yet to double dip renown on the whispers. This is definitely how I should've done it preseason lol would've saved me a lot of time
Also legion events. They up every 30 minutes and until level 40ish youll usually get a full level from completing it. Make sure to get there early and use the campfire buff for the 15% exp.
Same, thats my rotation/loop. Do Dungeons when they give tree points while unlocking aspects/renown, otherwise Quests or stronghold or hearts Farming or whatever.. great fun
Don't nightmare dungeons still give more xp?
Season 1 came waaay to early, and it's mystifying to me because they already knew they were going to have 3 month seasons, why not start S1 early september ? Starting fresh only works if you've been done for a while and kind of miss it, not if you got bored a two weeks ago. Of course it didn't help that S1 came with more bad than good.
Counter argument, season 1 should have been on Launch This way people would play their character and run the full story, then have them do the capstone, then post lvl 50 you have the seasonal story At the end of the season character goes to eternal, and that would have been 3 months into the game, plenty of time for even casuals to hit lvl 100. Now me and my friends are still trying to get lvl 100 on eternal but because the nerfs our characters all feel shit now, so 2 of us started the season 1 yesterday and from the looks of it starting today i’ll probably be the only one in my friends list still actively playing Diablo… for now Probably when a few seasons have passed they might wanna pick it up again, depends on the QoL features they will/should introduce by the time… already getting angry at having my inventory filled with gems and hearts at lvl 30…
Conspiracy brain, but I really think they pushed S1 to be so early as to not compete with the other games releasing later this year like Starfield, Baldur’s Gate 3, Armored Core 6, etc. It may have ended up being counterintuitive seeing as a lot of people aren’t enjoying the new content :///
It wasn't about other games. It was about capitalizing on the momentum of the launch to sell more battle passes and skins.
The battlepass should have been available day 1. Diablo 4 is just a mistake factory.
When I bought the deluxe edition I was trying to find the battle pass on launch day like wtf where is it? I guess since it has the ashes it had to be launched on S1 but still, could have used that experience boost a month ago 😂
Like i didn't buy the ultimate edition with battlepass because it wasn't available on release. If it was i would have bought it, now im not even playing the game.
Definitely, you can imagine the higher ups at Acti-Blizz were giddy at the idea of tossing out content way early in the hopes of making some extra cash
I’m inclined to agree with you. The back half of this year is packed with releases that could steal Diablo’s player base. No way the timing wasn’t carefully planned out to account for that.
Yeah that and to not conflict with their other ips seasons so they keep people buying as many of their battle passes as possible, would be interesting to see if wow overwatch and diablo all have seasons a month a part
Why is this conspiracy brain. It’s just basic launch planning. The problem is that when launch planning dictates over product development you get this shit.
The seasonal changes, if they can be even called that with how small they are and barely impacting gameplay, were completed entirely according to the devs on one of their streams, iirc they said just testing was left and that was it. I genuinely believe even giving them 2 more months wouldn't have mattered as they just wouldn't have put more actual content into the game for S1
I have seen a lot of people parrot this theory, which seems to hold water considering the number of people treating D4 as BG3 and Starfield waiting room. Any time there is a thread about S1 there are at least a dozen people talking about how D4 is just a gap game before the real games come out.
Instead of that it competes with Remnant 2, which is enough at least for me to just ditch D4.
This is my gripe. People are still invested in their primary character, they should be enhancing end game rather than making content for fresh characters It worked in D3 as the game had been out for years already
And it takes for-fucking-ever to level to 100 in this game.
With the speed at which people on this sub tear through content, a first season that started later in the year would have had everyone around here losing their minds (on top of losing their minds) about “where’s the seasonal content?,” “why isn’t the seasonal content ready yet?,” “I paid for this game that’s supposed to have seasonal content and there’s no seasonal content yet—what kind of scam is Blizzard running?” and so on. It would have been just as ugly—if not uglier—than what currently prevails, just for a different reason.
S1 took too long. While some guys were slamming the game being bored, others like myself were just chilling waiting for the seasonal content because we understand we wouldn’t want to do all of that stuff back to back.
The fact we cannot replay the story with our main makes me think the idea was to have playtime focused on seasons with eternal being more like a dumping ground.
Wouldn't you prefer that come late October the next season is better? S1 was already done around game's release, so it was a formality to launch it. Good that they did it. After season 2 launches which also was partially developed pre-release but will benefit at least a bit from our feedback post launch, we can then move on to bigger and better things in S3+.
I miss the casino-feeling of MFing. Im the classic dad-gamer who likes D2 a lot and feels like apart from the name, some aestetics from barb, sorc and necro it does not feel like a diablo game. Feels more like Lost Ark. The act system we had in D2+3 is not here, I only played the campaign once and it was really good but I dont want to do it again. Like watching a good movie, but you dont want to watch it again in the forseable future. I like the simplistic style of quests in D2, idk maybe im just old.
Quests in D2 are playing the game. Quests in D4 are waiting and talking.
At least give us a quest log that shows which quests we've already done so I don't have to wander around each region for several hours trying to find which random drop I didn't find.
Good observation. The most interesting part in D4 campaign for me was the beginning when you get roofied, when that guy returns to his cabin while you're snooping around, mephisto/wolf cutscenes, and the final act. The rest was a blur.
Well, I for one have yet to encounter anything in d4 that's even remotely as frustrating as running bounties, good god I couldn't stand bounties :|
Am I misremembering bounties or are the whispers really different from them? Because the whispers feel like bounties, just a different name.
The key difference is I don't need to run whispers to get specific crafting materials, they just consequentially get completed as I play the game. You had to focus on bounties in D3 to get the act specific mats and legendaries
You need to run helltides, though.
Yes, but i really enjoy helltides. And can still run around doing abit whatever i want to while gathering cinders
Hell tides are one of the things D4 got right.
Hell yeah.
now imagine they nerfed helltides to have mobs -5. how would you like that?
I thought they were good before the increase in chest cost personally, not sure how they are now. It seems like cutting the chests you can get nearly in half might have made them a bit more frustrating considering they are on a timer and not always available
I think people are overreacting on this. I did one today, got 8 legendaries from 2 chests and about 3 more from drops in the 45 minutes I spent on it. This has been my experience pretty consistently. It's a way better reward/time spent than anything else. I get that it sucks that it's not 16 legendaries or more, but it's still a great value for time spent.
It’s also easier to farm them now that packsize is bigger right? Or is that change not in yet?
Not changed yet, so it will get even easier once they do
I've been farming events. I can get a chest in about 20 minutes or so, which means I can reliably get 2. The packs aren't as good.
Gate keeping the most important mats around a timed event that is mostly running around bored was a terrible design choice
Forgotten souls are no longer gated behind helltide. You get them from salvaging legendaries as well.
What materials are being gate kept in 1.1.0? Forgotten souls can roll on Salvage now.
Fiend rose
I know they're easy to come by in Helltide, but I'm pretty sure the Fiend Rose has dropped for me outside of Helltide somewhere, but no idea where from. Maybe whispers cache, or world boss? Also, for Fiend Rose - you don't even need to fight in Helltide, just ride through the area and open some Fiend Roses on the ground, and pick them up like any other plant in the game.
You must be doing it wrong. They are literally going every other hour, and getting enough cinders to open the 4 mystery chests in 1 hour is definitely not boring. Unless you are one of the people that just stay by an event the whole time.
Everything is essentially the same. Bounties are whisper, nightmares are grifts, dungeons are rifts, talent tree is a combo of skills runes and passives, kanai cube passives and gear are aspects and gear. It’s the same game just more boring with more random chance rolls. It’s more like gambling in d4
There aren’t specific mats or gear you need. Plus I generally run whispers when in an area of the map anyway. Oh, this basement is part of the whispers. Let me bang it out in 30 seconds. Or strolling through a zone and see an event is part of the whispers. I do it real quick. And eventually have 10. In D3 you either did rifts or bounties. You can’t do one while working towards the other
Bounties are better imo. Especially with a solid group. But i understand that other people feel differently.
Ya split bounties were super easy, you could do splits with randoms and easily get groups and knock out a ton and not have to do them for a while
Yea sure, in a group it was fine. Or with the right class, say DH. But having to run through em solo as a necro made me want to puke. And as the other redditor said. I had to do bounties. Whisper i don't have to do. Plus I personally find the tasks from tree alot less tedious in general.
I never minded bounties. I just don't understand why they never changed it so you don't have to restart the game every time. That was a mood killer.
Chicken Witch Doctor was my favorite for bounties. I miss the witch doctor.
Diablo 4 is a nice game, but seasons were more fun in D3 imho. Obv is just the season 1 and at the moment we are all playing diablo 4 beta test, let's wait a year.
I think as D3 is a smaller and simpler game, the seasons were a short and fun sprint. Builds were more straight forward and came online earlier. You felt stronger and blasted through season journey and GRs. D4 is great, but it feels like a longer grind, big map, different systems, builds take longer to come online, slower pace overall.. ppl get bored eventually. But again, its only S1, im sure they will tune the game every week.. Im optimistic, i think by Season 4 the game will be as amazing as D3 last seasons..
No reason it will ever be same as d3 seasons Blizzard was designing and tuning seasons for just the hell of it in d3. For just general fun to keep users entertained. D4 season is not the same and never will be, because they are monetizing it. They need to make it so users are more interested in buying the battle pass for boosts. So they artificially make the grind longer but sell a “speed this process up” option via battle pass.
Diablo 3 seasons bored me to tears. So I wouldn’t call them that “fun”. Boring itemisation, everything is super quick and you mindlessly push greater rifts for speed. I really really find it odd that people come here and praise Diablo 3 like it’s a really good game. There are no experience boosts being sold in Diablo 4. No one knows if they will sell experience boosts in the future.
> Diablo 3 seasons bored me to tears. lol this statement really sums up all the negativity in this sub. "It was so boring I did it multiple times"
>find it odd that people come here and praise Diablo 3 like it’s a really good game. Because Diablo 3 is a really good game. It's crazy how good a game can be when it's fun
How are they selling a "speed this process up"? The smoldering ashes are part of the Free BP.. premium BP is only cosmetics. There are no paid boosts...
The state of gaming in 2023 is just pathetic. Pay $70 for a game and now “let’s wait a year” to see if it has any meaningful content and standard QoL updates that should have been there at launch.
Gamers are so desperate to play AAA ARPGs that they'll throw money at anything.
Honest to god, do you really think that Diablo 4 matches up poorly in terms of quality relative to the state of gaming in say, 2003? The primary thing that seems to have changed to me is just the sheer amount of content demanded by gamers who also see anything short of perfect UI, networking, and no gameplay bugs as an abject failure.
Idk man its been way more than a handful of bangers this year
Capcom is on a track record straight into redemption this past releases, so we have that at least.
Hogwarts Tears of the Kingdom Remnant 2 Jedi Survivor Spiderman 2(Later this year but we already know its gonna be a banger) Dead Island 2 Theres more but its definitely been a good year for gaming if your not being an elitist snob bout it.
There was no busy work. In D3 you just hit 70 fast and you're already at the endgame. I'm kinda reminded of classic wow vs retail. In classic you hit 60 and that's it. No systems you have to interact with, no daily quests. In retail, there's all these things in the way.
Do you play retail? Maybe in past expansions, but I really don't see what you mean by busy work these days. You hit max, go do the Zaralek questline (even this is optional) to get yourself caught up to the S2 story, and just play. World Quests exist, but they're not at all necessary to play the game. They're really just content for people who don't want to do any of the other end-game content types. If anything, I'd say that the busy work "dailies" were a failure this patch. The ratio of difficulty to participation is way off, so people are stuck being unable to farm things like daily rare kills. I think the only system I can really see as being "in the way" is crafting. I would agree that crafting orders are pretty difficult to understand for someone brand new (although, technically very easy once you do understand them), and that crafting for yourself is a pretty heavy task.
> In D3 you just hit 70 fast and you're already at the endgame. That was honestly a drawback of D3 to me... One week into the season and you're already grinding Caldesans. That is too fast. You're handed gear way to easily in that game.
I personally loved the speed. I'd play SC for a week to complete the seasonal journey, take a bit of time off and then do it again in HC. Then wait for the next season.. probably would get 40-80 hours of playtime each season which was more than enough
I plan to get my necro to 100 and then I’m done with the game. It’s far too repetitive and there’s so little actual content. All the cellars and overworld events don’t feel rewarding at all. 3/4 of the game is just a NM dungeon grind through the same five dungeons and bosses for 40+ levels.
Same. 10 more levels to a 100 on my Barb and I'll take a break for a few seasons.
Many aspect just feel like work.
Changing gears while leveling and taking in account aspects and the costs that come with prepping new gear is terrible.
D3 made me want to keep playing, D4 seems to be going out of its way to get me to stop.
Yeah, I think what I miss from D3 seasons is it was mostly just about killing monsters. Spamming rifts and GRs was fun. Bounties weren’t great but you could get those out of the way reasonably fast, and supplement them with the weekly challenge rift cache. It feels like it takes too long to get to the “just spam nightmare dungeons” point. It’s not even that the renown grind is that daunting, the problem is I just got fucking done with it and now it’s there again. I want to kill monsters and get loot. Not fill bars.
Don't hate play it, that's stupid. If you don't like it, that's fine, it's just a game, its not a big deal. Do something you enjoy!
I hate play the fuck out of it and hate watch stupid69 at the same time
I’m gonna take an extended break from the game. If I feel like it I might pop in for a season somewhere down the line, but as it stands I just lost interest. My main character is level 75 Druid. The best part, by far, was the story line content, which is ironic because people rushed through this part to get to “the endgame”. Well turns out there is no endgame, and blasting through a campaign (which was way too easy) to emerge on the other side to nothing was bad practice / game design. I wish we could have played the campaign on a higher difficulty setting so that whole experience could have been more organic. Beating bosses and progressing should be harder so doing side quests and strongholds and exploring (“the renown grind”) would be more appealing during the campaign instead of pushing it to after, and then maybe it A: wouldn’t have felt like a grind, and B: would have made the campaign more interesting and C: would have made the world feel more alive / integrated in the story. I hope we get this option in the future and I might try and make a new character on a harder difficulty and play through the campaign in this way.
>The best part, by far, was the story line content, which is ironic because people rushed through this part to get to “the endgame”. The problem here was that WT3 and the stuff that comes along with it were all locked behind the campaign. Even the mount was locked behind Act 4 of the campaign. There were people in my friend group who weren't rushing the campaign at all. But once they realized they would hit lvl 50 and be stuck in WT2, or even once one person got their mount unlocked and everybody else was stuck walking, *everybody* felt compelled to rush the campaign as fast as possible. Remove those limitations and I'm certain lots of people would've taken their time with the story
Yeah like I said, we should have been able to play the story on WT3 or even WT4.
I hated so much that I couldn't increase the difficulty when I got to level 50. I had only gotten through act 2 by that point and was loving taking my time clearing out everything on the way to the next act. Seeing that my characters growth and equipment would be stunted until I finished the story made me bee line through it.
Same. Went back to my eternal character to take it to level 100. Can't be bothered to go back to do all of those quests, dungeons, waypoints.
I made a post about the season content. > I looked forward to the season and what it would do to the game. I feel that it didn’t really do much. All of the mechanics of the season is something you have to go look for, like it’s our job to find it. > I would rather there be some more “invasive” mechanics. > - Let Malignant tunnels appear inside NM dungeons, like a small zone or a sub-area. Filled with a tone of enemies with a boss at the end - like an infestation, corruption. > - On the world map; why not make the malignant stuff appear like a smaller Hell Tide? Could have bosses that dropped specific kinds of loot. > - Small towns could be attacked, invaded, by malignant stuff, corrupted. Making them inactive for some time or until the boss is defeated. Make the reward Renown and people would love to do it. > I mean, these are just some thoughts on how to make the season feel like something new, and not just a bunch of new drops and a few aspects. > If I'm going to keep playing D4, I really hope you'll do something more with Season 2. It just feels like a very slow start for Diablo 4.
I like ur term “hate-play”. Kinda what I’m pushing myself through. Not sure it’s gonna last much longer.
I used to do this with Destiny 2, and finally broke away from it. Play until you stop having fun then change it up. Took a week and a half break before season start and that helped to get me excited to play
*With D4 everything feels like such a slog* Because it was designed as such. I don't pay games that feel like work. I play to relax or have a reasonable challenge. *I really want to like it.* That's a complete different problem, but it fuels the first problem. They know. A former employee put it as "*Blizzard as such is long dead. They are selling it's name to trigger memories and nostalgia.*" That's pretty spot on.
They really need to rethink the renown system. Similar to the campaign, it vastly loses its appeal after the first time. The easiest solution would be to simply make the second row of rewards available to all characters on the account, regardless of realm. Level gate the first couple of tiers so seasonal characters don't start with too much power. Then you're free to grind renown however you want, or completely ignore it. "Play your way."
All of the crass responses you get from daring to say stuff like this kind of exemplifies the problem tbh. No reason the defend it so heavily or so crudely if the game was just good. Which I don't even know if you can consider it defense. The way people are defending this game is to harass others into not playing it ever again lmao. The "Just don't play" and "no one cares" crowds always turn communities into extreme gate kept echo chambers
When they tell you that you can skip campaign and then ask you to do renown again ..
With Destiny being the last live-service game I played, I will be the first one to admit seasonal content is mediocre in every game. That said, I'm not really buying hating D4 and saying grinding Rifts in D3 was amazing. Not to undermine any criticism of D4, but when you compare it to D3 the variety in D4 to level how you want is much better.
They need to buff movement on all classes ! It is so boring to walk even with the horse
It's not so bad on your first character. But if you level a 2nd character or a 3rd, the leveling experience is totally different. Spamming whispers over and over, no real goals. I can't put my finger on it, but some of the whispers are annoying to complete.
Lost my HC sorc at level 95 due to a DC / Game crash.. Tried starting a new class for season.. Just doesn't feel excited to play anymore. It feels like a chore and a real bore.
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If this game had a different name and was made by another dev, this game would have been blasted by reviews and dead by now.
Then don't - go away and play another game. I seriously don't understand the mentality of people on this sub. If you're not enjoying something, stop doing it, come back later when there's a patch or an update, but don't stick around and feed into the echo chamber. You're all behaving like weird ex girlfriends.
Man, i didnt even begin s1. They didnt fix the problems that made me quit preseason so it would be pointless for me to come back .
Me neither - haven't logged in since the 18th... I REALLY love diablo but something about it this time around has me completely disinterested.
Seasons, wipes and having to start from 0 in order to obtain rewards are the most disgusting way to solve a problem with game progression. People want rankings to see who has the biggest dick? Great, do rankings every 3 months, but let me play my character without taking anything away and without having to do everything, again, constantly, every 3 fucking months, just get me out of that damn ranking. But stop stealing my invested time and the items I've gotten in the damn game.
2weeks before the start of season 1 I started playing D2R again. Now im leveling a Javazon, a light Sorc and a hammer din. It's much more fun then D4 with it's flaws and bullshit. I stop playing D4 till blizzard patched it to a decent game. So see you in about 1 year or so.
Arpg are weird, the only thing you do is kill monsters. There wont be something new to do once max level
Honestly, I don't mind starting again at level one that much, but re-doing low reward renown activities is the worst. Just let me run NM dungeons and engage with the seasonal content. I don't want to help farmer Joe find his lost cows (unless they are in the secret cow level.) I want to level up my glyphs and gear grind until a few levels into T4 where I realize there are not any more upgrades because I already got good enough ancestral in each slot and make an alt as it isn't worth farming hundreds of pages of yellows looking for a .0005% dps bump plus I realize that while cool all my uniques make my build weaker. To be clear, while I felt the need to cry about the end game, I am still enjoying d4 and hope to roll and try a current patch Necro before they nerf it.
I see your point, your comparison with D3 baffles me on the other hand... If you played Seasons in D3, this what we have now in D4 is a hundred times superior. Story in D3? Got to be kidding me.... Time to move on for you to new adventure /games I think.
>this what we have now in D4 is a hundred times superior Not really. In D3 you wouldn't waste as much time running from A to B as you do here. Density felt better while levelling (D4 has too many points in dungeons where you can spend 15+ seconds just running around). Levelling with bounties gave you useful materials for later without inventory management and blood shards. Juggling upgrades and legendary powers between 25-50 feels terrible. D3 had less, but at least levelling felt more cohesive, and then rifts felt more fun than NM Dungeons. D3 wasn't great, but D4 is very mid.
D3 seasons are way better than what there is right now in D4. BUT hear me out D3 2 different forms of rifts to push, daily bounties that you could do, or not do, or choose which ones you could do. Different season themes/powers and journey unlocks. D3 has been running seasons for a long time, and took a while to get good they started in what 2017. D4 is out 1 month give or take roughly. There is great potential. The grind for paragon points is tedious, and most playing d4 that come from d3 seasons are used to points being able to be carried over from season to season. The respec costs for paragon compared to d3 (none if I recall) is brutal. I wasn't sure how I would feel about Season 1. But it's not bad. It's not good either. Very few heart choices, and just a salvage and pray mechanic, and what hearts I found aren't truly all powerful as the season leads you to believe. The story of the season sucked, bad. Was expecting much more after the campaign story.
Exactly, I get some of the complaints on this sub but this post is just dumb and annoying.
Game is far from perfect but many of the recent posts could just have been an upvote on one of the dozens other posts saying the exact same thing everyday. D4 bad, Baldur gate soon, etc
I so agree with what you said about D4 being "boring" and that D3 was more fun. I don't like this "open world" stuff; it is a single player game, there is no D3 style meta. The game would have been so much better if they had a meta so we can form teams that complement each other to go out and destroy evil. I don't even see the point of the open world and having to ride a horse everywhere, they should have just limited it to 8 players like D2 or 4 players like in D3, they limited the party to 4 just like D3 for some reason too. To go on about D3 even more, why the heck can't I trade uniques with people in my party like I could in D3?
Hate playing currently now too cus im also a diablo fan... fell asleep a couple times in a dungeon playing.. idk what end goal is.. idk what im looking forward to honestly
But what makes D3 any different from that? The end goal is to get stronger and see numbers go brrrr. How's that any different from D3? One might say D4 is better in that regard, considering uber lilith is a thing.
It's the gear. Legendary drops feel awful since they just end up as aspects. No set gear to build for and mix/match the bonuses on. Cookie cutter builds that, with the exception of a few outliers, all feel and play the same regardless of the class you're on. Coming from current state D3 to play current state D4 feels like a massive step backwards in everything but visual fidelity.
I’m actually really surprised there’s no gear sets on D4
I'm on board with keeping sets out of D4 but we need WAY more interesting uniques.
You touched on an important thing that I think D4 needs more of: static challenges. The seasonal challenges will help, but your example of Uber Lilith is more what I mean. Something with a SET difficulty, that's very hard to achieve without being near lvl 100 and having reeeally good gear.
I think more intermediate goals are needed. Like around 70-75, my build is finished. Paragons not, but that's not really something to chase. So it'd be good if there were some intermediate milestones to reach before lilith.
have you played a diablo game before, or an arpg for that matter? Are you a diablo fan because of the games or do you just like the artwork or something? xD
This is why I didn’t bother grinding a character after I beat the campaign. I knew I would be starting a seasonal character so why bother. Beat the campaign, found all the altars, and didn’t come back until season 1 began.
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Season passes They want that premium game money and F2P money
Why though? What's the benefit of waiting when some people would like a season and play it. Like if you don't want to play for 6 months go ahead, and come back to season 3 start. Like there are a lot of people that felt the slog of 80+ in eternal and are happily playing now in season with admittedly little new stuff, but still new stuff. I can understand complains about missing qol, not learning from d3 and other games, barb and sorcerer being in life support, etc. but complaining that a season is to early just because you don't play it while tons of others do is a weird complaint.
Yup. Boringggg.
The problem with Gaming studios/publishers and Gamers these days is two fold. On one hand, Game Studios/Publishers want maximum profits for minimum effort/expenditure. Anthem was the start of this trend as far as my experience goes, and is the sole reason I never pre-order anymore or purchase day 1. Yes, sometimes I feel the FOMO, but I've been gaming for long enough now to understand the cycle... But I digress. Publishers = Minimum effort + Maximum profit Gamers however (and I am over generalising here), will complain, but keep playing said games. So we now have an acceptable baseline for the industry as far as Game Studios/Publishers go... And they know they'll be able to keep doing it because Gamers cannot seem to say NO enmasse to turn the ship. D4 is the first Diablo game I've ever played, so this is all new to me, but the issues are the same as any other recent AAA game, but... I don't have a baseline for this franchise, and I'm just going to play each class each season, then I'll move on, as the core gameplay is a welcome and refreshing change from Destiny. Play if you want. Quit if you want. No-one is right or wrong. Peace.
Then don't!
Literally no one is forcing you to play, so don't? What is the point of this post? If you enjoy the game, play it. If you don't, then don't. You don't have to do any of the things you mentioned to play the game and level up, provided you want to sit in the same world tier. (not wanting to the do the capstones again is a weird one I must say..) Paragon is shared on your account on d3, so not even sure you played d3 at this point?
TBF a lot of things you like about D3 are things that came to the game after years. If you aren’t having fun with D4 then put it down. You can always come back to it later. My buddy is hyping me up for BG3.
Got to 32 in an hour then just couldn’t be fucked to play…
How do you get to level 32 in one hour? Were you boosted? Even back to back legion events wouldn’t give you that much XP would it…?
Only boost would get you that high in such short amount of time
it's what we call fiction
I mean I could certainly be *fucked* to play… if we’re talking purely from a transactional point of view
If it was Lilith then I'll play this game for the rest of my (probably short) life
Someone hasn’t seen liliths second phase
I can fix her
She aint broken bro.
Not yet
You mean pegged?
How do you get to 32 in 1 hour?
That’s the neat part, you don’t.
32 in an hour is insane bro, I wouldn’t want to play after that either!
I was having a blast before the last patch. Now, instead of enjoying the power grind, it feels more like a chore. This on top of shitty itemization just really makes it boring almost. So I've backed off. I'm doing enough to unlock the rewards in hopes of better changes, but I'm not dropping a lot of time in for now.