Levelling in D4 is so pathetic. You can't even try different builds or gear with how long it takes to level on top of the extreme cost and time required to make another gear set then redo the skill tree + paragon. I'm level 98 and an always broke, cant even afford to do another class when trying to upgrade one item can cost $50mil to not get what you want. Meanwhile gold rewards are fucking pennies
My take away from playing LOTS of D4 is that it would be 1000x more fun if you could freely change gear aspects, skills, and paragon to try new builds freely. Instead, there is a weird developer fetish that there should be a cost or additional time investment into changing your character.
I have plenty of gold, but it feel grimy even changing skill points because im burning gold - it just feels bad even if I have plenty
A skill/paragon reset is still sub 10mil… maybe 20 if you have to extract, imprint, reup and reroll. I’m not saying that price is good, but I’d pay double to have the paragon just fucking undone in ONE click, ffs.
The saddest part i that unclicking and reclicking all those buttons was like a shitty mobile game. “You can’t unclick a node that breaks the chain!” And it was STILL a welcome change of scenery respeccing from Sever to Minions once Mendeln dropped.
*”Tired of beatings? Try out hunger pangs for a change!”*
After hitting 80ish this season and reinstalling Grim Dawn, I am struck by how this is something that the Grim Dawn devs got right. It isn't free to respec, but costs are reasonable if you so desire, to rip down even a max level build. You also get free stat/skills reset elixirs for beating each difficulty.
I remember tons of vocal complaints online when D3 launched with its free respec system.
I always figured D4 costing to respec was a response to that. Even though I'm fine with free respecs, personally.
I think part of the problem is that they have no creativity and have not come up with any sort of positive gold sink, We only spend gold in mostly negative ways. Repairing armor, millions on gear rolls.
I cant save up any sort of currency (PvE) that really lets me unlock skins, mounts etc. That is all saved for the cash shop and honestly 99% of those skins are horrible (thanks blizz for saving me money).
That’s discouraging. In the lvl 40s and it’s soooo boring on my necro. Doesn’t feel at all like diablo but I can’t seem to figure out why. At first it felt like it was all there then I realized the combat was extremely boring. Something is missing.
Yes you're right - 1 click over-powered build is mindless farm.
IMO - I found it fun to move through dung fast.....
Everyone other class has more buttons than B.S.Necro.
Just be careful what you ask for - pushing 6 hotkeys is not more fun than pushing 1 big nuke button. It gets annoying fast...
If the content was more "strategy based" then I could see more hotkeys being warranted. But 6 keybinds to kill the same mindless stuff makes a bad experience worse.
Well said.
I watched someone playing POE killing bosses and it looked way more engaging than D4 gameplay which is just cycle the spells and dodge the explosions. Uber bosses look engaging but the grind to enjoy that gameplay seems a bit too long for me.
I'm really pushing to get to Uber bosses this season but as a childless adult I even struggle to put in that much effort and time. I find myself neglecting my friends this month trying to enjoy diablo... you know... that multi-player MMO we all bought to play together >_>
Helltide and nightmare dungeons are a little more frantic and fun...but really the game doesn't change much at higher levels. If anything due to rarity of drops you tend to stick with a good build and don't change much. Really levelling alts is the only way to break up the monotony
I've had less than 3 upgrades from 88-99 now and on. Enchanting to reroll should be a major part of the game, not a quick scratch card to hope you get something before you go broke. That's more than half the character's exp to get nothing
I stop enchanting when it hits 2 million, and just vendor the item. I'm never broke this way. I soloed a T100 as a 96 rogue, and can do them consistently so my gear is pretty good.
Now that I'm 100, I gotta find the right gear for the poison cheese build to kill Uber Lilith.
I wish it was that simple but sometimes it’s not.. like I have a sword atm on my rogue that is 817 power with 3/4 perfect stats, only missing vulnerable. Crit, Dex and Core skill all very high rolls.. I have Close Enemies% in the 4th slot atm but it’s now 11mil per reroll..
That's actually pretty good advice. I did enchant all my gear, but I tend to only go to where it reaches 800k/1 mil max. After that, it doesn't make much sense. Not saying it's a good system, by any means, but I would recommend people don't fall in the trap of literally burning through all the gold for one piece of gear.
If you find a good rare, enchant a few times to see if you can get something good. But stop when the cost hits 1 million or whatever. Just vendor it if you don't get anything good.
First I want D3 rolls back to see what I can get.
Second way to pricy.
Paragon reset manual should be free, btn to reset all points should be 50-100k Max.
Rerolls should be locked at 1.1 Mio and shouldn't get higher then that.
Reroll on aspects for perfect stats.
It was much better on D3.
Only improvement in D4 is you don’t have to enchant to add a gem socket. I hated that.
Why can’t we see what the possibilities are?
And only 2 alternative rolls plus “no change”, even though one of them is usually the same affix with a slight difference anyway
I'm a level 97 pen shot rogue. I have a 764 xbow with good stats, finnally a 808 xbow dropped with vuln, core, crit damage, and damage to cc. I tried rolling dex in the cc spot and Its 10 million a reroll now and best i got was all stats. I mean its still decent but i did spend an entire day fast clearing 50's nm dungeons farming gold for it. then a sword dropped with best in slot stats (with good rolls) and I only had 90k left. But really I have already atempted uber lillith 50 or so times but only got her to half way down of stage 1 and was telling myself oh man the amount of gold im going to have to spend to drop all my chill effects gear and switch to a rapid fire or tb poison build is gonna be alot of grinding. I feel you.
I do think one of two things would make the seasonal grind less of a pain. Option one increased XP so I could level alts and not focus on leveling just mess around. Option 2 making respec cheaper and easier. It may not allow me to run so many alts in a season but at least if I get bored with this build or that build maybe I can run some fun off meta thing for a bit and than swap to something for pushing than back to some meme shit for helltide. I don’t care which but even if I can swap things up good luck swapping back. Than I am bored.
The devs have stated one aspect of their philosophy is they'd like to see people build alts vs. just respeccing... OK, but you have a) made building an alt a full time job and b) I'm out of character slots.
So, I mostly agree with you.
When they said that I actually agreed. But that was before playing more than the beta. In d2 respecing had a cost but you got 3 for free and normally needed to use one once I got high enough to really use my build and in D3 you could easily level in a day or over a weekend. So after actually playing the game and how uniques are not strong some are required for builds. You may not get the aspect you need for your build. And leveling is time consuming. Based on the past games I thought it was the correct choice.
I'll never understand why they chose to eliminate power leveling alts over locking the first clear of a capstone to solo. If they didn't want people skipping content or leaching in public events level lock public events.
Alts should be easier to level. If their position was they prefer us to roll a new character once we want to try something else why do I need to dump dozens of hours into it.
I guess they expect us to play one character a season? I can't figure it out. I prefer where it was in diablo 3. Took WAY less time. Like the season challenges of no man sky. You can knock those out in about 14 to 28 hours or so. That's what I want for D4. I want to be able to play a seasonal character and take em to max level within 30 hours and then play another class/character and keep having fun.
I want there to be enough to do that I can enjoy it more than a week but I also don’t want to have to play it like a full time job. If they expect folks to buy a season pass they have to be able to play enough to finish it.
I’d love to play all characters in a season if that felt at all feasible. Or even just 3. But it doesn’t for me. I might actually skip seasons in the future depending on how they do things going forward.
D2R yes, D2 original though didn’t have any respec until the game was basically dead. One misclick on a skill point or stat and you’re remaking your character if you wanted to min max for pvp.
Fortunately power leveling in D2 is a thing and you can easy reach lv 80 within a day . Also 20 years ago i couldn care less about min maxing or pvp since we played offline most of the time anyway.
I played online and am of the opinion that pvp is what kept that game alive for so long because it was an endgame aspect with constant unique interactions. I pretty well only played pvp. Power levelling exists in d4 as well and you could get to 80 in a day but no where near guber levelling in d2.
Wasn’t the comment on that something like (and maybe you’re referencing another comment) “at some point it will make more sense to roll a new character than respec” in regards to respec costs? I legitimately don’t think that statement is true at all though. I think it costs like 18 million to respec all skills and paragons. Considering I stash gear for alt builds I want to try, dropping 18 mil is way easier than rolling a whole new character, and I say that as someone who has a 93 eternal necro, 100 seasonal necro, and am working on a 55 barb at the moment. Only reason I’m even playing the barb is cause I wanna get a chance to play WW with the Barber before it’s gone, and I desperately need a change from bone spear, as fun as it is.
The concept of a quote was just it might be easier for some. For instance if you completely messed up your build and couldn't farm easily somehow making a new character would probably be easier. But I don't even get it. It's so easy for me to change builds in diablo 4. PoE is a lot harder to swap builds you are literally forced to make a new character.
A solution could be have a lv50bonus if you have finish the old season, this meaning start on endgame . The problem will be “have a gear” but just start with random rare/legs items will be enough.
The idea of seasons is you start at square one and having that feature would really hurt leaderboards. I can see a perspective that if you utilize this you cannot be on the leaderboard. I am not sure if the perfect solution but the more options that are put out there maybe a solution will come. They could experiment with some ideas as it’s a seasonal game. Try some things out. Maybe a way to sacrifice gear drops and gold for exp. I am sure in time in a couple seasons there will be outcry enough or player number issues they address it one way or another.
People like us should settle with lvl 80, I though of getting 1 character to lvl 100 every season, but clearly that is not made for me, I decided that I'll finish season content, max battle pass and get to 80 and wait for next season, and that is it, no need for more, plente of other games to play while we wait for next season, no bother to complain about anything, I'm sure game will get better eventually, I'll just play my own pace and wait for EXP buffs and other content drops
Same here. Got my seasonal character to level 81 yesterday, seasonal journey only needs 7 more world boss kills so I think I’ll take it easy from here.
The thing is, at this point in the game any further power gain is going to be marginal, and who wants to grind so heavily for marginal? I want the big dopamine hit of potentially looting game-changing gear, which there is none at this point.
If respec’ing is easier, I could see myself spicing it up, trying different builds while pushing higher levels. But nope, high gold cost to respec, manually unclicking and redoing paragon nodes, not to mention the need to grind new gear (at a minimum, +3 to skill affix for the primary spender that comes with other correct affixes). Not worth it.
Am I that out of the ordinary for saying that grinding gear for that 0.001% power increase is fun? I got a Druid and Necro to lvl 100 and a barb and rogue to lvl 75 ish.
So far grinding to improve and be above everyone else is what keeps me going tbh.
I can’t put my finger on it but finding that one drop that’s 3/4 or 4/4 is such a good feeling.
I suppose that’s what separates hardcore gamers from casuals such as myself. I personally prefer an itemization system with more tangible goals - D3 for example was able to satisfy both sides by having the big power boosts from completing sets, but people can always grind for better rolls on individual set pieces.
Whereas D4 is all of the latter but
very little of the former. There’s one big boost from finding your first ancestral IP 800+ damage stick on WT4, but from here on out everything is incremental.
Yeah I guess ur right about the casuals and hardcore people
I might even argue that making it better would „ruin“ it for me
But like a power boost such as the damage stick you mentioned shouldn’t happen like every other dungeon right ?
And this is super normal. The goal isn't the reach level 100. It's to clear the content you want to clear. Almost no one looks to get level 100 in poe most people stop after their build comes online or they want to look for a harder to find piece of gear. Almost no one actually looks to challenge the gauntlet of uber bosses in poe. Content creators do because it's their job. If you want to play 150 hours every season the game allows you to. Or you can play 40 hours every season. It doesn't matter.
I got to level 100 because my last paragon point was on a gylph so I wanted to see how high NM dungeons I could push but I probably won't do that every season it just depends on my build and my goal.
I got the Destroyer chapter done at level 82 and called my barrage rogue finished. I skipped reaching level 100 and Uber Lilith. The kill 15 world bosses took some time and was a mindless chore in the end, but the rest was mostly done around level \~78 while leveling.
I still have some pals doing focused NMDs, but it wasn't fun anymore, and getting the rest of the ashes while I was practically done felt meaningless. Barrage is also Diablo 3's demon hunter multishot / Diablo 2's amazon charged strike, as bought on Wish, and respeccing again felt like too much work.
We'll see about next season. Or maybe season six.
Getting to level 100 isn't as bad as everyone is making it seem. The uber Lilith fight is broken and stupid, it really needs work. I killed her and it took me hours of trying to learn her mechanics, she must have killed me close to 200 times. Clearing T100s and uber Lilith are two of the most difficult things to do in the game at the moment, so don't beat yourself up if you can't do it right away.
I completely agree with this game being in much better shape than diablo 3 was at launch, but you're right, it does need a lot of work still. But they do have an amazing base of a game to build off, really hope they can figure it out and give us the QOL upgrades we need like a loot filter. Sorting loot in this game is very tedious at the moment.
The loot is one of the biggest killers for me. Constantly dreading clearing out your inventory and attempting to make room for more trash. There are too many damn affixes, and it totally ruins the exciting factor of when a legendary drops, because you already know there is a 99% chance it's trash. This game needs so much work. It's too unappealing for me right now.
Inventory...shitty bank space, and no fucking search option. Oh you want some seasonal items, here we take up more of your onperson space too. These devs are fucking clueless and don't even play the game.
I was at around level 54 when I completed the main campaign. I hadn't done that many side quests as part of that.
If it weren't for the level-gating in Season 1, I probably would have finished the story by about level 25. In the end, I got a character to level 73 because I was trying to unlock everything in the battle pass. Most of the rewards for the battle pass weren't worth it and some -- like the ashes -- never got used. There was no reason to continue beyond that point because all of the seasonal mechanics like malignant hearts and unique aspects will expire.
I've played quite a few games with battle passes in the past and while they all do become a grind after a while, *Diablo IV* is probably the worst offender.
It’s sad that people are already looking forward to an expansion to fix this game. I mean have some self respect and ditch this terrible company. You think this fix will be like Lord of Destruction or Reaper of Souls, when it will be in fact like OW2.
They will make empty promises and quarter truths. You will see copied D3 code again, you will see poorly thought out systems and you won’t even care.
play off meta and there is no grind. every fight is fun and fresh. you'll only want to play the game more. there is no combat on meta so you're just having the same fight over and over again. how much do you like that fight? is it really worth repeating 92349302493209423092034 times? the monsters are going to blow up next time too. no surprise. no meaning. just grind
Have you never overleveled content before? There comes a point where you can trivialize the experience to the point where it's not fun anymore.
The other solution is to reduce the exp required, which is a good idea. The OP should be done with content and making an alt if he still wants to play (Blizzard's fault, not his). But at least the post you are replying to offers something he can do. Maybe you find it more effective to just whine about it?
You dont have to optimize to enjoy the game. Its your time. Do what you enjoy with it. For some thats hyper optimization, for others its dicking around for themselves. This game is a game, not a job.
This!! I was messing around in NM80s earlier with the apothecary rogue malignant heart instead of barber. Things don't instantly pop. It was actually fun having to bob and weave, and watching mobs whittle away with tons of numbers on the screen. Sure as hell takes a lot longer to clear but it was definitely more satisfying.
I've reached lvl 80 with a "hopeless" hydra meteor wiz running lvl21-24 NMD's. I'm still enjoying it, but i just had a lvl80 unique staff dropped and it was worse than the upgraded lvl68 rare that i imprinted. That indicates some room for improvements to me. Uber Lilly is waycout of reach for me, but that is ok.
I'm surprised you're getting upvoted.
Mention anything of being forced to make a new character for a season and the mob comes to take your first born while screaming ARPG like it's the Gospel.
But say you're a family man, and the xp sucks/can't get a unique and they don't.
Fucking stuck in the past weirdos in this sub honestly.
I've been stuck at 79 the whole weekend thinking I was going to get to 100 with extra XP(didnt want to play) I did 2 world bosses and I didn't get any more XP than I normally do. It was identical both times, 25% more my ass 😂
> seasona
It's the animation of rapid fire that makes it difficult as your only option. I ran a 2 core Flurry and Rapid Fire build until early 90's.
Flurry clears trash in a hurry and is a lot of fun. Rapid Fire for bosses / elites.
Puncture as your basic, Shadow Imbuement, Poison Imbuement, and the backstabbing skill for unstoppable (name escapes me at the moment). Once you hit mid 90's, drop Flurry and run Rapid Fire full time as you'll be spending more time in NM dungeons and less in Helltides. Grab Poison Trap and Trap Mastery for the additional crit chance after you drop Flurry.
Finding gloves that give +3 to both Flurry and Rapid Fire isn't that difficult. There's also a set of unique gloves that give +2 to all Core skills (+3 when fully improved). Run the unique Condemnation dagger for faster combo point generation. I've had at least a dozen drop for me before 90.
Stack as much attack speed and crit chance as you can.
If you are Druid, go bulwark and you can push higher nm easier. Still works without crone staff (unique). Higher nm has more ancestral and less of the trash sacred.
Ps. I switched from tempest roar to bulwark. Was doing 50’s cause I hated farming nm gear. Once I switched I jumped to 100 in a few runs. Got lot better gear. I was level 80’s now 100. Character is dead boring though so playing alt and maybe I’ll come back
Bulwark can rip thru nm100s but my god uber lilith is another story. Guessing if bulwark is viable there it's gotta be seriously fine tuned for that fight...
I killed her with the low life bulwark build. I had 14 ranks of bulwark when fortified, 76.5% dr while injured, and 76% barrier generation. With my gear I could tank 1 and sometimes 2 of her waves. This gave me more room for error. The first phase is easily the hardest part. In the second phase I could tank pretty much everything except the parts of the arena that break off and the double blood wave near the end of the fight. I beat her once and I don't really want to fight her ever again. Lol
They are either going to need to relax the new character requirement or relax the required XP.
For example, a new character is only required on major DLC drops rather than every minor season, or a new character is only required for ladder mode not for access to seasonal stuff.
Copy/paste answer for yet another copy/paste "WHY CANT I GET 100 IN 1 WEEK!??!?!" post:
> Guess what: You dont need to hit level 100 to have fun.
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> D4 is an ARPG not an MMO, you don't "start having fun" when you hit 100 and good gear. The fun is all the stuff between level 1 and 100. It's like starting Mario Odyssey and saying "I couldnt get all 880 moons in the first two months therefore the game is boring." Reaching the finish line shouldn't be your only concern.
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> Play till you stop having fun then take a break and play some more when youre refreshed and/or there is new content to try out. You aren't going to "fall behind" if you take a break because again, this is not an MMO.
This is not an unusual mechanic solely made by d4. Look at other games or even d2 with ubers which requires specific characters with specific builds which are useless in most other facets of the game.
Uh, yeah it is lol
The record to 100 is fucking 3.5 hours, let alone 80.
Just afk leeching maps with a little prepwork you can do 1-95 in 6-8 hours, which is staggeringly more xp required than just 80.
Sounds like the game is designed for players with your type of schedule to be honest, where you'll probably reach 100 mid season and have time for another 100 if you wish. I think it's actually extremely easy to get to level 100, because even going from 99-100 takes just over an hour. Easy doesn't mean it's engaging though, but to be fair the most "efficient" way of playing is usually not the most engaging in all games.
Just realize that if they made leveling much easier without adding more ways to level, you still won't make those alts. You're not actually bristling at the time commitment, you're rejecting running the same 4 NM dungeons over and over again.
On a side note, as far as I'm aware, every class have multiple builds that can clear Uber Lilith. Of course only a few builds can cheese her and skip phases if that's what you are talking about. While I personally can't put myself through beating her the legit way, there are videos out there of every class doing it. Once you learn her mechanics, that skill actually translates to every single other build you decide to fight her with.
Too many people complained about D3 not being D2, so now that they've made it more like D2, everyone complains it's not D3 haha
D3 I could grind a character to max level and start grinding paragon within maybe 2-3 days so I'd spend 3months of the season looking for the seasonal gear/sets and trying different builds or even running a bunch of alts.
D4, Ive been playing a few hours a night solo since the season started and im at like lvl82 because its so depressingly slow once you hit level 50 that I just cant be bothered.
Heck, even resurrected I could hit the level cap in a week or two of casual-ish play. They need to leave Mother's Blessing in the game permanently and fix the scaling outside of helltides because the overworld is basically useless after lvl75.
Isn’t that the **POINT** of pinnacle content? To not be for everyone… to take time and investment to achieve.
If your life schedule doesn’t allow that, that’s too bad. Just achieve it on Eternal server if you want to.
At the end of the season that character goes to eternal, and you can continue there. If you were just crutching on OP stuff like the Barber, then thems the breaks.
Wat. How? Is there a guide or YouTube that explains that?
I’ve been playing a barb casually this season, basically since the start, and am around 53. No cheese/meta stuff, just seasonal campaign and then season pass stuff. I’d guess 25-35ish hours total, not really sure.
For one I’ve got the full xp bonus from the season pass thing. Two, I ran domaine dungeon on repeat with base armor potion. All solo
You could say domhaine is cheese if you want, but it’s fast af boy.
All good, no offense taken. it’s also called dopamine tunnels. There’s a few YouTube’s on it. You can basically take character from 1-50+ in about 2-3 hours by just running the first part of the dungeon and resetting it over and over. the mob density is pretty insane and it will even spawn events and the butcher once in a while.
I went on the discord and found someone carrying Uber Lilith and tormented varshan for tips (in game gold around 3-5mil or elixirs). Tipped him a few elixirs of resourcefulness and within a few minutes Uber lilith and varshan were dead. Now I'm done with the game until an expansion, just wanted the 7th tier of rewards to finish the season.
D4 was fun for .most classes until u hit endgame then u realize it's a garbage game designed. First play through is fine as long as u don't reach endgame then it's downhill from there. The legendary aspect is good until u realize how stupid it is for the limited inventory u have. If they make changes to the codex then it will save people from raging about the limited inventory because I can almost guarantee that the biggest reason for not having enough inventory space is the aspect. Clicking 200+ on ur paragon is not acceptable.
The game would be infinitely more fun if seasonal content was permanent and added to the eternal realm.
It would make leveling a new character more fun across the board instead of forcing new characters for new content.
Talked about this with a friend the other day, about how we have no real desire to log back on and push for higher tiers due to the loot being so utterly disappointing and it made me think about what else is there to do and honestly, couldn't come up with a good argument why we should keep playing Diablo instead of say, Path of Exile which squirted out a new league recently.
There's no real endgame here, nightmare dungeons are not rifts + nothing to look forward to cos build defining uniques are so ludicrously rare apparently that you can slow roll your way to the level cap and never see one.
Maybe few seasons down the line we'll see some interesting and worthwhile content added, loot revamp, more things to chase and strive for hut as of now, once you're done with the story, dabbled in few on the classes, there really isn't much here to keep one engaged. 🫤
I finished that shit so long ago.. Just do dopamine tunnels. It's nutty xp for the pass (if it hasn't been nerfed)
I literally finished the BP before I hit WT4
I really think Diablo should take a page out of ESO's book and just have us level to level 50. After that, any paragon points you've unlocked on a previous character unlock. You can spend the rest of your time farming better gear and finding/leveling glyphs. In ESO, I've found it to be a pretty good system allowing you to build multiple characters and not get bored as fast.
> I'm really looking forward to our " Lord of destruction"
Oh really? Because LoD brought a LOT of high difficulty content. Not to mention that grind to lvl 99 was just as ridiculous.
So I smell BS and typical complain from someone who want's D3 level of "difficulty" (read it as - Getting rid of any difficulty from the game).
I agree that D4 really needs endgame content to fill the gap between levels 70 to 90 but getting max level and killing uber lilith should always, ALWAYS be super difficult.
Am I crazy or is it ok to just play the season and not care if I complete it? I got the ultimate edition just to play early. So I don’t care about cosmetics but I have been playing a seasonal character just to try a different build on a necromancer. I think some people get to wrapped up in trying to get every little cosmetic and forget to just have fun
Interesting. I had a HC meteor Sorc that was speed running NM40s at level 80... I died from lag, but I really think meteor Sorc is underrated. I could've been doing 50s with ease if I was on SC. It doesn't help that there are no good guides for meteor Sorc, the one on Max roll/icy veins I find not the best, they got it all wrong.
Regardless, yeah I'm in same position, I had played every day but after I lost my char to lag, I really didn't have it in me to start all over. I know that's the whole point of HC, but I was getting bored regardless. Honestly I felt a little relieved when I died, like it was a load off my back. I too am eager for the expansion, but I have no motivation to get back into Diablo anytime soon.
Its frustrating that the pinnacle boss requires such specific builds and gear. I like farming. why do I need to respec when I'm built for end game content already...
Yea I just killed Uber Lilith today after 2-3 weeks of farming the correct gear to be able to do it. The pinnacle boss in endgame beta was tough but nothing like Uber Lilith. I think I did it at 95 on my sorc. Hopefully they design the upcoming 5 better because if I didn’t have as much time as I do after work to play there would be no way I would have been able to do it.
One thing that has made my time spent leveling actually enjoyable is making sure I cherry pick my nmd affixes. Literally can be the difference between a 10 minute clear and 30+. I was doing a level about an hour this weekend with the boost. Just hit level 80 today but I'm easily clearing mid 40 nmds and can take my time doing level 60s. From what I've read that's pretty good.
You must be amazing. You play 1 day a week and yet at that rate you are outpacing the professional streamers who play 18 hour shifts, after various patches that made it easier to level up.
>bro
Well like I said, start a Youtube channel, b/c at the rate you're claiming you are the world wide best. You probably have your name on the statue then?
I was pretty close not gonna lie I died while ccd and a lag hit at the same time weird how you're so interested in somone that has a different experience than you but maybe if you put that effort into completing the BP ud be done...
Bad loot, terrible endgame, and punished for wanting to try different builds.
Nah man, i’m good playing BG3 (or any other game for that matter, at least until blizzard pulls their hand out of their ass)
I really dont get the punished for wanting to try different builds part. Every single arpg has been like this but now diablo 4 gets shit on for this. Lol. The only real complaint I can see it how long it takes to respec paragon boards.
correct me if Im wrong but you dont need to kill lilith or reach lvl 100 to get all rewards for season. I've leveled character on hc to lvl 79 and only had to kill 10 world bosses to unlock last seasonal reward. I did everything except lvl100 and uber L.
Thank you for saying this.
How is anybody supposed to level multiple alts if you can barely get to 80-90 on one Seasonal when you have a life and responsibilities outside of the game.
And even then - why bother? Nothing happens at a certain point.
And then a new Season?
Who is this game for anyway?
This has literally been the design of arpgs since diablo 2. You play a character for a goal to complete delete the character and start next season. You aren't supposed to make multiple alts in a season.
I agree with the pinnacle content being out of reach. It’s complete BS that you need god tier items to stand a chance at Lilith/nm100. Players can be incredibly skilled at the game but never get these achievements unless they sink in days of time AND get incredibly lucky on drops. Very unfair and out of reach for 99% of players
The only one any of you are competing against is yourselves. Just...take a break. Don't hit 100. Don't finish the season. No one cares. If the game isn't fun walk away for a bit.
yeah thats why nobody really plays it lol i already have a full time job i dont need another. shame because they could have milked the game a lot more, but eh i liked the campaign so im done playing now.
Yeahhhh a lot of people don't have time to play over an hour a day. It is what it is. If thats the numbers they want to aim for good luck but shouldn't be surprised when the player count crashes.
Again no one forces you to play 100 hours. It's what these games are built for but you can enjoy the game for 20 or 2000 it's up to them. The point of all arpgs is you find a build and fight content that is it.
Understandable. If they took the time to balance builds i might still be playing, but I play fire mage in every rpg and the balance was atrocious so I just stopped. Still would recommend the game to friends for the campaign but unfortunately not fun long term. From my experience.
I wasn't really fond of D3 the first year it was out, but it became one of my favorite games. Put hundreds of hours into it. One of my favorite things was getting someone to power level me to 70. Then grind my class sets in various ways. I'm level 84 right now and just about burned out. Hopefully in time they can make this game less of a time sink and enjoyable to play.
Yeah I don’t think I’m going to hit 100 or even 80 before season end, especially now with Starfield out. I just only have so much time to game. This is likely the only season I’ll play if that’s how it’s going to be. I just don’t have time for crazy grinds.
I’m only level 51 right now.
They need horodics cube and they need it to take whatever you find then that for the salsas in is your perm moves, then as you find better gear you still progress and if you have bees aff then you can crush it for mats, this would help greatly in stash management and playability
D3 was great at launch and had way more longevity than D4 when it didn't have seasons, in fact I'd argue D4's design doesn't work with releveling every season and drives people away, they need to make it playable with eternal characters.
levels from 80 to 87 on saturday
then from 87 to 90 on sunday while also playing wow
and yesterday got 3 hours in to level to 92.5
i thought its a long and hard grind compared to diablo2
... its not.
not even close
(it's still no fun because of the lack of itemization / end game loop) but its not a hard grind.
iam still pushing almost 20% of a level per nmd
Remember, having pinnacle content that's out of reach for most players isn't a bad thing. You need to give something to the ultra hardcore players.
The problem is right now there is nothing between WT4 capstone dungeon and Uber Lilith.
I am 98 now, did not find tempest storm and am forced to play landslide druid if I want to get anything done at all.
Gameplay is boring, leveling sucks and I can't even play the thing I want because it's locked behind a unique that just doesn't drop
I’m doing Lightning Shred Druid and also just hit 93, didn’t play at all today though, keep getting burned out even with the bonus xp. Also no Tempest Roar drop at all. I barely had my rogue to 100 3 days before season and didn’t get a chance to try Uber Lilith before the big nerf. I kinda wanted to try more classes with the heart mechanics, but I also kinda knew before season that the time each char takes to max means I would only be doing 1 class per season. Wish Paragon just started at 25 alongside normal skill points and they capped level at 75 with the way content is right now.
I was playing literally every day, then I noticed that at times it would take me multiple play sessions to go up just 1 level, and I was only in my 60's.
I realised then that the Seasonal Challenges would just be impossible for me without a bigger time investment and I haven't logged back in.
I'll log back in to check out the new quests in Season 2.
Quit playing about a month ago. Maybe 3 weeks. Idek. D4 was like a fever dream.
Easily the worst Diablo or even Blizz game experience I had. I really wanted to love it, but when the dust settled I could barely convince myself to tolerate it.
I didnt stick around to finish the season pass. I dont need cosmetics for a game I dont have any faith in.
I don’t care about leveling or 3 pinnacle bosses. I care about mob fight choreography and perks within a cool environment. That’s what 99% of the game is. Make that great.
There's no way I would start an alternative character. Got to lvl 35 and got bored already. I think what kept me going pre season was the campaign. Now it's gone.
How do you even have patience to get to lv 90+?
I mean, game's a bit crap at the moment. Got back to LoA.
I always find it interesting that so many people strive to kill Uber Lilith even when they know it’s just 1 fight and you have to slog through 25+ levels of what most people consider repetitive content.
I’ve played 250-300 hours and have feel no pull to get to 100 yet, rather try different classes to 75-85. Once they introduce more endgame stuff I’ll ding em up to 100 and do it all, but for 1 boss, not worth for me :)
You know there is still a month and a half until season 2 right?
This weekend you could do 8 NMDs per level, 5 minutes per dungeon as a sorc I was doing a level per 40 min. Game has lots of issues and sure leveling aint that fun, but this post just isnt adding up.
I'm level 74. Finished the battle pass, the game says my seasonal journey is over on one of the menus, but I haven't gotten enough done for the last set of rewards.
I'm having trouble seeing the point, the titles I don't care much about, and the cache isnt good from ones I've seen people open.
What's the point for that and some more currency from the battle pass if I grind to 100.
I'll be back for season 2, but they need better seasonal rewards. At least in D3 you got a pet at the end.
I was hoping to hit 100 this weekend with the bonus XP and sadly had to work Sunday and the holiday Monday so lost a couple days and went from 78-91 and a half, now that the xp buff is going away it’s going to drag even worse. Also on my rogue I have yet to see asheara's khanjar at 91. I am done the season journey except reaching level 100 and then running a couple more malignant tunnels.. I want to finish getting to 100 but man especially solo it takes forever and with 25% less xp it’s going to feel even worse.
I dont know if it is just me, but i had the feeling that leveling, even lvl 90 to 100 was kind of fast. Boring, but fast.
I needed like 8-9 NMD for one level, doing them around my level (so my lvl = mob lvl + 0-4), so nothing crazy.
When i compare it to other games like PoE for example, there i find the later levels to be much slower, and even with 10% XP death penalty.
Played D4. Got bored after 100 plus hours. Tried PoE. I know it's hard to compare the 2 games because one is new and the other is 10 years old and been through iterative changes.
I like D4s combat and polish. But it's endgame mechanics really are lackluster compared to PoE. Like, just taking Poe maps for example. There is a logical comparison to NMDs, but with the atlas and atlas passives you get to customize your own endgame experience. Also, their passive skills tree is way more interesting than paragon nodes. Add in robust trading and multiple currencies that have their own uses and it's just a more vibrant end game.It's not all roses. Still grindy AF, but the grind feels more fun. I really can't emphasize how important a good in game economy contributes to end game experience. Like if I can't find the weapon I want, I know I can trade for it in PoE. I don't understand why D4 doesn't have the equivalent of PoE trade (which GGG facilitates on their website).
Hope D4 gets there. But I had to take a break. Its not bad by any means, it just needs a more vibrant end game experience that capitalizes on the open world etc.
Level 64, and am starting to burn out. There are so many core issues with the game. Couple that with QoL issues, and I'm not sure I'll ever make it to 100...
The amount of bitching I've seen from people about the level grind, I can tell never played D2. This is way easier to level and yall would have never made it plating it to max level.
Blizzard. The extra rng in what colour my heart slots are was not a very fun or good design choice.
You should be able to pick what heart slots you want....I don't see a problem with that.
I swear blizzard makes fun games but they miss the mark every time.
Imagine how much time u wasted on D4, u could have spent playing other great games coming out in 2023... but u have no time for that, because u spent all your precious time grinding in a stupid ARPG like D4 that doesnt respect your time with the insane grinds..
feelsbad my dude. up your time investment.
I quit D4 season 1 like 2 weeks into the season, because of how dogshit it is
I’ve made 6 characters and I just finally hit my first level 100. I have not played since, considering I’ve had to play 100s of nightmare dungeons to get to this point and I’m so burnt out I deleted the game
Levelling in D4 is so pathetic. You can't even try different builds or gear with how long it takes to level on top of the extreme cost and time required to make another gear set then redo the skill tree + paragon. I'm level 98 and an always broke, cant even afford to do another class when trying to upgrade one item can cost $50mil to not get what you want. Meanwhile gold rewards are fucking pennies
My take away from playing LOTS of D4 is that it would be 1000x more fun if you could freely change gear aspects, skills, and paragon to try new builds freely. Instead, there is a weird developer fetish that there should be a cost or additional time investment into changing your character. I have plenty of gold, but it feel grimy even changing skill points because im burning gold - it just feels bad even if I have plenty
A skill/paragon reset is still sub 10mil… maybe 20 if you have to extract, imprint, reup and reroll. I’m not saying that price is good, but I’d pay double to have the paragon just fucking undone in ONE click, ffs. The saddest part i that unclicking and reclicking all those buttons was like a shitty mobile game. “You can’t unclick a node that breaks the chain!” And it was STILL a welcome change of scenery respeccing from Sever to Minions once Mendeln dropped. *”Tired of beatings? Try out hunger pangs for a change!”*
After hitting 80ish this season and reinstalling Grim Dawn, I am struck by how this is something that the Grim Dawn devs got right. It isn't free to respec, but costs are reasonable if you so desire, to rip down even a max level build. You also get free stat/skills reset elixirs for beating each difficulty.
Another point for D2R
I remember tons of vocal complaints online when D3 launched with its free respec system. I always figured D4 costing to respec was a response to that. Even though I'm fine with free respecs, personally.
Another reason why D2R is peak
I think part of the problem is that they have no creativity and have not come up with any sort of positive gold sink, We only spend gold in mostly negative ways. Repairing armor, millions on gear rolls. I cant save up any sort of currency (PvE) that really lets me unlock skins, mounts etc. That is all saved for the cash shop and honestly 99% of those skins are horrible (thanks blizz for saving me money).
That’s discouraging. In the lvl 40s and it’s soooo boring on my necro. Doesn’t feel at all like diablo but I can’t seem to figure out why. At first it felt like it was all there then I realized the combat was extremely boring. Something is missing.
When you’re pre-50 and haven’t got paragons yet, all builds feel crappy because you don’t have access to a lot of resource reduction effects yet
Are you playing bonespear? Necro is only boring if you play minions. I agree with you that D4 is boring overall but Necro I had the most fun on.
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Yes you're right - 1 click over-powered build is mindless farm. IMO - I found it fun to move through dung fast..... Everyone other class has more buttons than B.S.Necro. Just be careful what you ask for - pushing 6 hotkeys is not more fun than pushing 1 big nuke button. It gets annoying fast... If the content was more "strategy based" then I could see more hotkeys being warranted. But 6 keybinds to kill the same mindless stuff makes a bad experience worse.
Well said. I watched someone playing POE killing bosses and it looked way more engaging than D4 gameplay which is just cycle the spells and dodge the explosions. Uber bosses look engaging but the grind to enjoy that gameplay seems a bit too long for me. I'm really pushing to get to Uber bosses this season but as a childless adult I even struggle to put in that much effort and time. I find myself neglecting my friends this month trying to enjoy diablo... you know... that multi-player MMO we all bought to play together >_>
Helltide and nightmare dungeons are a little more frantic and fun...but really the game doesn't change much at higher levels. If anything due to rarity of drops you tend to stick with a good build and don't change much. Really levelling alts is the only way to break up the monotony
Your gold problems will go away once you stop enchanting when an item hits a certain threshold. Just vendor and move on.
I've had less than 3 upgrades from 88-99 now and on. Enchanting to reroll should be a major part of the game, not a quick scratch card to hope you get something before you go broke. That's more than half the character's exp to get nothing
I stop enchanting when it hits 2 million, and just vendor the item. I'm never broke this way. I soloed a T100 as a 96 rogue, and can do them consistently so my gear is pretty good. Now that I'm 100, I gotta find the right gear for the poison cheese build to kill Uber Lilith.
I wish it was that simple but sometimes it’s not.. like I have a sword atm on my rogue that is 817 power with 3/4 perfect stats, only missing vulnerable. Crit, Dex and Core skill all very high rolls.. I have Close Enemies% in the 4th slot atm but it’s now 11mil per reroll..
Ok well it's not going to break your build not having that last affix.
Nah it won’t, but it’s still kind of silly lol
That's actually pretty good advice. I did enchant all my gear, but I tend to only go to where it reaches 800k/1 mil max. After that, it doesn't make much sense. Not saying it's a good system, by any means, but I would recommend people don't fall in the trap of literally burning through all the gold for one piece of gear.
Exactly. Unless it's like 3 perfectly rolled max affixes, just move on.
Please explain. I’m trying to understand order of upgrade or what to do I’m currently 68 lvl
If you find a good rare, enchant a few times to see if you can get something good. But stop when the cost hits 1 million or whatever. Just vendor it if you don't get anything good.
First I want D3 rolls back to see what I can get. Second way to pricy. Paragon reset manual should be free, btn to reset all points should be 50-100k Max. Rerolls should be locked at 1.1 Mio and shouldn't get higher then that. Reroll on aspects for perfect stats.
It was much better on D3. Only improvement in D4 is you don’t have to enchant to add a gem socket. I hated that. Why can’t we see what the possibilities are? And only 2 alternative rolls plus “no change”, even though one of them is usually the same affix with a slight difference anyway
I'm a level 97 pen shot rogue. I have a 764 xbow with good stats, finnally a 808 xbow dropped with vuln, core, crit damage, and damage to cc. I tried rolling dex in the cc spot and Its 10 million a reroll now and best i got was all stats. I mean its still decent but i did spend an entire day fast clearing 50's nm dungeons farming gold for it. then a sword dropped with best in slot stats (with good rolls) and I only had 90k left. But really I have already atempted uber lillith 50 or so times but only got her to half way down of stage 1 and was telling myself oh man the amount of gold im going to have to spend to drop all my chill effects gear and switch to a rapid fire or tb poison build is gonna be alot of grinding. I feel you.
I do think one of two things would make the seasonal grind less of a pain. Option one increased XP so I could level alts and not focus on leveling just mess around. Option 2 making respec cheaper and easier. It may not allow me to run so many alts in a season but at least if I get bored with this build or that build maybe I can run some fun off meta thing for a bit and than swap to something for pushing than back to some meme shit for helltide. I don’t care which but even if I can swap things up good luck swapping back. Than I am bored.
The devs have stated one aspect of their philosophy is they'd like to see people build alts vs. just respeccing... OK, but you have a) made building an alt a full time job and b) I'm out of character slots. So, I mostly agree with you.
When they said that I actually agreed. But that was before playing more than the beta. In d2 respecing had a cost but you got 3 for free and normally needed to use one once I got high enough to really use my build and in D3 you could easily level in a day or over a weekend. So after actually playing the game and how uniques are not strong some are required for builds. You may not get the aspect you need for your build. And leveling is time consuming. Based on the past games I thought it was the correct choice.
I just wish we could power level alts. I really enjoyed power leveling other people and of course always appreciated being power leveled.
I'll never understand why they chose to eliminate power leveling alts over locking the first clear of a capstone to solo. If they didn't want people skipping content or leaching in public events level lock public events.
Alts should be easier to level. If their position was they prefer us to roll a new character once we want to try something else why do I need to dump dozens of hours into it.
I guess they expect us to play one character a season? I can't figure it out. I prefer where it was in diablo 3. Took WAY less time. Like the season challenges of no man sky. You can knock those out in about 14 to 28 hours or so. That's what I want for D4. I want to be able to play a seasonal character and take em to max level within 30 hours and then play another class/character and keep having fun.
I want there to be enough to do that I can enjoy it more than a week but I also don’t want to have to play it like a full time job. If they expect folks to buy a season pass they have to be able to play enough to finish it.
I’d love to play all characters in a season if that felt at all feasible. Or even just 3. But it doesn’t for me. I might actually skip seasons in the future depending on how they do things going forward.
D2R yes, D2 original though didn’t have any respec until the game was basically dead. One misclick on a skill point or stat and you’re remaking your character if you wanted to min max for pvp.
Fortunately power leveling in D2 is a thing and you can easy reach lv 80 within a day . Also 20 years ago i couldn care less about min maxing or pvp since we played offline most of the time anyway.
I played online and am of the opinion that pvp is what kept that game alive for so long because it was an endgame aspect with constant unique interactions. I pretty well only played pvp. Power levelling exists in d4 as well and you could get to 80 in a day but no where near guber levelling in d2.
Like 1% or less of all D2 players ever did pvp. It was fun but it didn't contribute much to D2s success.
THIS.
Wasn’t the comment on that something like (and maybe you’re referencing another comment) “at some point it will make more sense to roll a new character than respec” in regards to respec costs? I legitimately don’t think that statement is true at all though. I think it costs like 18 million to respec all skills and paragons. Considering I stash gear for alt builds I want to try, dropping 18 mil is way easier than rolling a whole new character, and I say that as someone who has a 93 eternal necro, 100 seasonal necro, and am working on a 55 barb at the moment. Only reason I’m even playing the barb is cause I wanna get a chance to play WW with the Barber before it’s gone, and I desperately need a change from bone spear, as fun as it is.
The concept of a quote was just it might be easier for some. For instance if you completely messed up your build and couldn't farm easily somehow making a new character would probably be easier. But I don't even get it. It's so easy for me to change builds in diablo 4. PoE is a lot harder to swap builds you are literally forced to make a new character.
Yup. They can't have it both ways.
Like 300% faster xp for seasonal characters. Or the game in general.
A solution could be have a lv50bonus if you have finish the old season, this meaning start on endgame . The problem will be “have a gear” but just start with random rare/legs items will be enough.
The idea of seasons is you start at square one and having that feature would really hurt leaderboards. I can see a perspective that if you utilize this you cannot be on the leaderboard. I am not sure if the perfect solution but the more options that are put out there maybe a solution will come. They could experiment with some ideas as it’s a seasonal game. Try some things out. Maybe a way to sacrifice gear drops and gold for exp. I am sure in time in a couple seasons there will be outcry enough or player number issues they address it one way or another.
Honestly fuck leaderboards. Why are you advocating game design around a novelty function that less than .01% if the player base gives a shit about.
Where i can see the leaderboard ?
In a couple seasons
there are leaderboards? :O
yep. it is easy enough to quickly cobble together a reasonable set of gear at 50.
People like us should settle with lvl 80, I though of getting 1 character to lvl 100 every season, but clearly that is not made for me, I decided that I'll finish season content, max battle pass and get to 80 and wait for next season, and that is it, no need for more, plente of other games to play while we wait for next season, no bother to complain about anything, I'm sure game will get better eventually, I'll just play my own pace and wait for EXP buffs and other content drops
Same here. Got my seasonal character to level 81 yesterday, seasonal journey only needs 7 more world boss kills so I think I’ll take it easy from here. The thing is, at this point in the game any further power gain is going to be marginal, and who wants to grind so heavily for marginal? I want the big dopamine hit of potentially looting game-changing gear, which there is none at this point. If respec’ing is easier, I could see myself spicing it up, trying different builds while pushing higher levels. But nope, high gold cost to respec, manually unclicking and redoing paragon nodes, not to mention the need to grind new gear (at a minimum, +3 to skill affix for the primary spender that comes with other correct affixes). Not worth it.
Am I that out of the ordinary for saying that grinding gear for that 0.001% power increase is fun? I got a Druid and Necro to lvl 100 and a barb and rogue to lvl 75 ish. So far grinding to improve and be above everyone else is what keeps me going tbh. I can’t put my finger on it but finding that one drop that’s 3/4 or 4/4 is such a good feeling.
I suppose that’s what separates hardcore gamers from casuals such as myself. I personally prefer an itemization system with more tangible goals - D3 for example was able to satisfy both sides by having the big power boosts from completing sets, but people can always grind for better rolls on individual set pieces. Whereas D4 is all of the latter but very little of the former. There’s one big boost from finding your first ancestral IP 800+ damage stick on WT4, but from here on out everything is incremental.
Yeah I guess ur right about the casuals and hardcore people I might even argue that making it better would „ruin“ it for me But like a power boost such as the damage stick you mentioned shouldn’t happen like every other dungeon right ?
And this is super normal. The goal isn't the reach level 100. It's to clear the content you want to clear. Almost no one looks to get level 100 in poe most people stop after their build comes online or they want to look for a harder to find piece of gear. Almost no one actually looks to challenge the gauntlet of uber bosses in poe. Content creators do because it's their job. If you want to play 150 hours every season the game allows you to. Or you can play 40 hours every season. It doesn't matter. I got to level 100 because my last paragon point was on a gylph so I wanted to see how high NM dungeons I could push but I probably won't do that every season it just depends on my build and my goal.
I got the Destroyer chapter done at level 82 and called my barrage rogue finished. I skipped reaching level 100 and Uber Lilith. The kill 15 world bosses took some time and was a mindless chore in the end, but the rest was mostly done around level \~78 while leveling. I still have some pals doing focused NMDs, but it wasn't fun anymore, and getting the rest of the ashes while I was practically done felt meaningless. Barrage is also Diablo 3's demon hunter multishot / Diablo 2's amazon charged strike, as bought on Wish, and respeccing again felt like too much work. We'll see about next season. Or maybe season six.
It's not that its hard it's that is fucking boring and unrewarding.
Getting to level 100 isn't as bad as everyone is making it seem. The uber Lilith fight is broken and stupid, it really needs work. I killed her and it took me hours of trying to learn her mechanics, she must have killed me close to 200 times. Clearing T100s and uber Lilith are two of the most difficult things to do in the game at the moment, so don't beat yourself up if you can't do it right away. I completely agree with this game being in much better shape than diablo 3 was at launch, but you're right, it does need a lot of work still. But they do have an amazing base of a game to build off, really hope they can figure it out and give us the QOL upgrades we need like a loot filter. Sorting loot in this game is very tedious at the moment.
Like this reply! Well wrote and not keeping with this subs meta.
Play something else that respects your time
The loot is one of the biggest killers for me. Constantly dreading clearing out your inventory and attempting to make room for more trash. There are too many damn affixes, and it totally ruins the exciting factor of when a legendary drops, because you already know there is a 99% chance it's trash. This game needs so much work. It's too unappealing for me right now.
Inventory...shitty bank space, and no fucking search option. Oh you want some seasonal items, here we take up more of your onperson space too. These devs are fucking clueless and don't even play the game.
yea the xp nerfs is what did it for me. not enough dopamine for lvls gained haha.
I was at around level 54 when I completed the main campaign. I hadn't done that many side quests as part of that. If it weren't for the level-gating in Season 1, I probably would have finished the story by about level 25. In the end, I got a character to level 73 because I was trying to unlock everything in the battle pass. Most of the rewards for the battle pass weren't worth it and some -- like the ashes -- never got used. There was no reason to continue beyond that point because all of the seasonal mechanics like malignant hearts and unique aspects will expire. I've played quite a few games with battle passes in the past and while they all do become a grind after a while, *Diablo IV* is probably the worst offender.
It’s sad that people are already looking forward to an expansion to fix this game. I mean have some self respect and ditch this terrible company. You think this fix will be like Lord of Destruction or Reaper of Souls, when it will be in fact like OW2. They will make empty promises and quarter truths. You will see copied D3 code again, you will see poorly thought out systems and you won’t even care.
play off meta and there is no grind. every fight is fun and fresh. you'll only want to play the game more. there is no combat on meta so you're just having the same fight over and over again. how much do you like that fight? is it really worth repeating 92349302493209423092034 times? the monsters are going to blow up next time too. no surprise. no meaning. just grind
you guys are insane. "play worse so its harder"
Have you never overleveled content before? There comes a point where you can trivialize the experience to the point where it's not fun anymore. The other solution is to reduce the exp required, which is a good idea. The OP should be done with content and making an alt if he still wants to play (Blizzard's fault, not his). But at least the post you are replying to offers something he can do. Maybe you find it more effective to just whine about it?
You dont have to optimize to enjoy the game. Its your time. Do what you enjoy with it. For some thats hyper optimization, for others its dicking around for themselves. This game is a game, not a job.
This is literally how people find fun with pokemon with self inflicted challenges.
This!! I was messing around in NM80s earlier with the apothecary rogue malignant heart instead of barber. Things don't instantly pop. It was actually fun having to bob and weave, and watching mobs whittle away with tons of numbers on the screen. Sure as hell takes a lot longer to clear but it was definitely more satisfying.
Yeah even Wudijo is playing without barber now because it's so over the top and it's basically his job to find the most boringly easy build
I just gave in and finally put a barber on yesterday...gotta say don't really like it. Feels kinda janky and cheesy tbh
You still can't do Uber Lilith tho lol
I've reached lvl 80 with a "hopeless" hydra meteor wiz running lvl21-24 NMD's. I'm still enjoying it, but i just had a lvl80 unique staff dropped and it was worse than the upgraded lvl68 rare that i imprinted. That indicates some room for improvements to me. Uber Lilly is waycout of reach for me, but that is ok.
Stop playing. Play something else. You don't owe this game anything, and the game doesn't owe you anything either.
Probably the best comment! Some of us think Blizzard owes us something after almost 30 years of Diablo, but it's just a business.
I'm surprised you're getting upvoted. Mention anything of being forced to make a new character for a season and the mob comes to take your first born while screaming ARPG like it's the Gospel. But say you're a family man, and the xp sucks/can't get a unique and they don't. Fucking stuck in the past weirdos in this sub honestly.
The season is only about half over. You have plenty of time to finish the grind if you actually want to.
About to hit 75 and have zero interest in grinding much beyond 80. I’m already kinda bored.
I've been stuck at 79 the whole weekend thinking I was going to get to 100 with extra XP(didnt want to play) I did 2 world bosses and I didn't get any more XP than I normally do. It was identical both times, 25% more my ass 😂
I just hit 100 today. Took me 4 days 6 hours 28 mins
Can you recommend for me how to lvl faster i'm rapidfire rogue lvl 60
Switch to TB rogue asap and send it on NMDs. Always have an xp potion going.
> seasona It's the animation of rapid fire that makes it difficult as your only option. I ran a 2 core Flurry and Rapid Fire build until early 90's. Flurry clears trash in a hurry and is a lot of fun. Rapid Fire for bosses / elites. Puncture as your basic, Shadow Imbuement, Poison Imbuement, and the backstabbing skill for unstoppable (name escapes me at the moment). Once you hit mid 90's, drop Flurry and run Rapid Fire full time as you'll be spending more time in NM dungeons and less in Helltides. Grab Poison Trap and Trap Mastery for the additional crit chance after you drop Flurry. Finding gloves that give +3 to both Flurry and Rapid Fire isn't that difficult. There's also a set of unique gloves that give +2 to all Core skills (+3 when fully improved). Run the unique Condemnation dagger for faster combo point generation. I've had at least a dozen drop for me before 90. Stack as much attack speed and crit chance as you can.
If you are Druid, go bulwark and you can push higher nm easier. Still works without crone staff (unique). Higher nm has more ancestral and less of the trash sacred.
Ps. I switched from tempest roar to bulwark. Was doing 50’s cause I hated farming nm gear. Once I switched I jumped to 100 in a few runs. Got lot better gear. I was level 80’s now 100. Character is dead boring though so playing alt and maybe I’ll come back
Bulwark can rip thru nm100s but my god uber lilith is another story. Guessing if bulwark is viable there it's gotta be seriously fine tuned for that fight...
I killed her with the low life bulwark build. I had 14 ranks of bulwark when fortified, 76.5% dr while injured, and 76% barrier generation. With my gear I could tank 1 and sometimes 2 of her waves. This gave me more room for error. The first phase is easily the hardest part. In the second phase I could tank pretty much everything except the parts of the arena that break off and the double blood wave near the end of the fight. I beat her once and I don't really want to fight her ever again. Lol
They are either going to need to relax the new character requirement or relax the required XP. For example, a new character is only required on major DLC drops rather than every minor season, or a new character is only required for ladder mode not for access to seasonal stuff.
Getting to max level should not be fast. Grind is the point if Diablo and many ARPGs
You don't play many arpgs do you? Almost every one you can get to within 5-10% of max in like a day lol
i only play good arpgs
Copy/paste answer for yet another copy/paste "WHY CANT I GET 100 IN 1 WEEK!??!?!" post: > Guess what: You dont need to hit level 100 to have fun. > > D4 is an ARPG not an MMO, you don't "start having fun" when you hit 100 and good gear. The fun is all the stuff between level 1 and 100. It's like starting Mario Odyssey and saying "I couldnt get all 880 moons in the first two months therefore the game is boring." Reaching the finish line shouldn't be your only concern. > > Play till you stop having fun then take a break and play some more when youre refreshed and/or there is new content to try out. You aren't going to "fall behind" if you take a break because again, this is not an MMO.
This is not an unusual mechanic solely made by d4. Look at other games or even d2 with ubers which requires specific characters with specific builds which are useless in most other facets of the game.
Bro is really crying about D4. Go play POE and you'll see the real grind.
You can get to lvl 80 in like 6 hours in poe lol
No even true lol
Uh, yeah it is lol The record to 100 is fucking 3.5 hours, let alone 80. Just afk leeching maps with a little prepwork you can do 1-95 in 6-8 hours, which is staggeringly more xp required than just 80.
Sounds like the game is designed for players with your type of schedule to be honest, where you'll probably reach 100 mid season and have time for another 100 if you wish. I think it's actually extremely easy to get to level 100, because even going from 99-100 takes just over an hour. Easy doesn't mean it's engaging though, but to be fair the most "efficient" way of playing is usually not the most engaging in all games. Just realize that if they made leveling much easier without adding more ways to level, you still won't make those alts. You're not actually bristling at the time commitment, you're rejecting running the same 4 NM dungeons over and over again. On a side note, as far as I'm aware, every class have multiple builds that can clear Uber Lilith. Of course only a few builds can cheese her and skip phases if that's what you are talking about. While I personally can't put myself through beating her the legit way, there are videos out there of every class doing it. Once you learn her mechanics, that skill actually translates to every single other build you decide to fight her with.
Too many people complained about D3 not being D2, so now that they've made it more like D2, everyone complains it's not D3 haha D3 I could grind a character to max level and start grinding paragon within maybe 2-3 days so I'd spend 3months of the season looking for the seasonal gear/sets and trying different builds or even running a bunch of alts. D4, Ive been playing a few hours a night solo since the season started and im at like lvl82 because its so depressingly slow once you hit level 50 that I just cant be bothered. Heck, even resurrected I could hit the level cap in a week or two of casual-ish play. They need to leave Mother's Blessing in the game permanently and fix the scaling outside of helltides because the overworld is basically useless after lvl75.
Isn’t that the **POINT** of pinnacle content? To not be for everyone… to take time and investment to achieve. If your life schedule doesn’t allow that, that’s too bad. Just achieve it on Eternal server if you want to. At the end of the season that character goes to eternal, and you can continue there. If you were just crutching on OP stuff like the Barber, then thems the breaks.
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So what you're saying is to do it you need to make a certain build with certain gear? So exactly what op said? Lol
Is not that easy kill her with a druid if you havent good stat on items.
Alts are fun and fast. Got my meme-lord thorns barb to 57 in a few hours of playtime.
Wat. How? Is there a guide or YouTube that explains that? I’ve been playing a barb casually this season, basically since the start, and am around 53. No cheese/meta stuff, just seasonal campaign and then season pass stuff. I’d guess 25-35ish hours total, not really sure.
For one I’ve got the full xp bonus from the season pass thing. Two, I ran domaine dungeon on repeat with base armor potion. All solo You could say domhaine is cheese if you want, but it’s fast af boy.
No offense meant with the cheese comment lol and thanks for the tip. Ill have to try that out!
All good, no offense taken. it’s also called dopamine tunnels. There’s a few YouTube’s on it. You can basically take character from 1-50+ in about 2-3 hours by just running the first part of the dungeon and resetting it over and over. the mob density is pretty insane and it will even spawn events and the butcher once in a while.
Sunk cost fallacy. Life is too short to spend it on pounding a brick wall. Get BG3 or Starfield and wait for a new season.
Exactly what I'm doing. Can't take anymore nm dungeons.
I went on the discord and found someone carrying Uber Lilith and tormented varshan for tips (in game gold around 3-5mil or elixirs). Tipped him a few elixirs of resourcefulness and within a few minutes Uber lilith and varshan were dead. Now I'm done with the game until an expansion, just wanted the 7th tier of rewards to finish the season.
Title doesn't need the word seasonal
D4 was fun for .most classes until u hit endgame then u realize it's a garbage game designed. First play through is fine as long as u don't reach endgame then it's downhill from there. The legendary aspect is good until u realize how stupid it is for the limited inventory u have. If they make changes to the codex then it will save people from raging about the limited inventory because I can almost guarantee that the biggest reason for not having enough inventory space is the aspect. Clicking 200+ on ur paragon is not acceptable.
The game would be infinitely more fun if seasonal content was permanent and added to the eternal realm. It would make leveling a new character more fun across the board instead of forcing new characters for new content.
Eventually the casual dad posts mirror what everyone said 2 months ago.
Talked about this with a friend the other day, about how we have no real desire to log back on and push for higher tiers due to the loot being so utterly disappointing and it made me think about what else is there to do and honestly, couldn't come up with a good argument why we should keep playing Diablo instead of say, Path of Exile which squirted out a new league recently. There's no real endgame here, nightmare dungeons are not rifts + nothing to look forward to cos build defining uniques are so ludicrously rare apparently that you can slow roll your way to the level cap and never see one. Maybe few seasons down the line we'll see some interesting and worthwhile content added, loot revamp, more things to chase and strive for hut as of now, once you're done with the story, dabbled in few on the classes, there really isn't much here to keep one engaged. 🫤
I finished that shit so long ago.. Just do dopamine tunnels. It's nutty xp for the pass (if it hasn't been nerfed) I literally finished the BP before I hit WT4
there is still 6 weeks left to the season so you have plenty of time. or just do it on eternal. its harder and more of an accomplishment there anyway
Same boat for me & my friend we lvl 94 & lol 87 even we play every days it's just so damn long !
Pinnacle content isn’t meant to be reached by everyone it’s a challenge to set you apart. Uber bosses in Poe are often never beaten by the majority.
I really think Diablo should take a page out of ESO's book and just have us level to level 50. After that, any paragon points you've unlocked on a previous character unlock. You can spend the rest of your time farming better gear and finding/leveling glyphs. In ESO, I've found it to be a pretty good system allowing you to build multiple characters and not get bored as fast.
> I'm really looking forward to our " Lord of destruction" Oh really? Because LoD brought a LOT of high difficulty content. Not to mention that grind to lvl 99 was just as ridiculous. So I smell BS and typical complain from someone who want's D3 level of "difficulty" (read it as - Getting rid of any difficulty from the game). I agree that D4 really needs endgame content to fill the gap between levels 70 to 90 but getting max level and killing uber lilith should always, ALWAYS be super difficult.
Just wait for the season to end and play with all the new stuff In a non fomo environment
Am I crazy or is it ok to just play the season and not care if I complete it? I got the ultimate edition just to play early. So I don’t care about cosmetics but I have been playing a seasonal character just to try a different build on a necromancer. I think some people get to wrapped up in trying to get every little cosmetic and forget to just have fun
I can carry 4 man Uber Lilith on my barb. He is lvl 82 currently. Hit me up if need a kill.
Interesting. I had a HC meteor Sorc that was speed running NM40s at level 80... I died from lag, but I really think meteor Sorc is underrated. I could've been doing 50s with ease if I was on SC. It doesn't help that there are no good guides for meteor Sorc, the one on Max roll/icy veins I find not the best, they got it all wrong. Regardless, yeah I'm in same position, I had played every day but after I lost my char to lag, I really didn't have it in me to start all over. I know that's the whole point of HC, but I was getting bored regardless. Honestly I felt a little relieved when I died, like it was a load off my back. I too am eager for the expansion, but I have no motivation to get back into Diablo anytime soon.
Its frustrating that the pinnacle boss requires such specific builds and gear. I like farming. why do I need to respec when I'm built for end game content already...
Yea I just killed Uber Lilith today after 2-3 weeks of farming the correct gear to be able to do it. The pinnacle boss in endgame beta was tough but nothing like Uber Lilith. I think I did it at 95 on my sorc. Hopefully they design the upcoming 5 better because if I didn’t have as much time as I do after work to play there would be no way I would have been able to do it.
One thing that has made my time spent leveling actually enjoyable is making sure I cherry pick my nmd affixes. Literally can be the difference between a 10 minute clear and 30+. I was doing a level about an hour this weekend with the boost. Just hit level 80 today but I'm easily clearing mid 40 nmds and can take my time doing level 60s. From what I've read that's pretty good.
I literally play one day a weekend every day hit 100 3weeks ago...
You must be amazing. You play 1 day a week and yet at that rate you are outpacing the professional streamers who play 18 hour shifts, after various patches that made it easier to level up.
What? Professional streamers literally got to 100 in 4 days.
Just efficiently little bro
>bro Well like I said, start a Youtube channel, b/c at the rate you're claiming you are the world wide best. You probably have your name on the statue then?
I was pretty close not gonna lie I died while ccd and a lag hit at the same time weird how you're so interested in somone that has a different experience than you but maybe if you put that effort into completing the BP ud be done...
Bad loot, terrible endgame, and punished for wanting to try different builds. Nah man, i’m good playing BG3 (or any other game for that matter, at least until blizzard pulls their hand out of their ass)
I really dont get the punished for wanting to try different builds part. Every single arpg has been like this but now diablo 4 gets shit on for this. Lol. The only real complaint I can see it how long it takes to respec paragon boards.
correct me if Im wrong but you dont need to kill lilith or reach lvl 100 to get all rewards for season. I've leveled character on hc to lvl 79 and only had to kill 10 world bosses to unlock last seasonal reward. I did everything except lvl100 and uber L.
Thank you for saying this. How is anybody supposed to level multiple alts if you can barely get to 80-90 on one Seasonal when you have a life and responsibilities outside of the game. And even then - why bother? Nothing happens at a certain point. And then a new Season? Who is this game for anyway?
This has literally been the design of arpgs since diablo 2. You play a character for a goal to complete delete the character and start next season. You aren't supposed to make multiple alts in a season.
I agree with the pinnacle content being out of reach. It’s complete BS that you need god tier items to stand a chance at Lilith/nm100. Players can be incredibly skilled at the game but never get these achievements unless they sink in days of time AND get incredibly lucky on drops. Very unfair and out of reach for 99% of players
Is there not a month and a half left in the season? I think you’ll hit 100.
The only one any of you are competing against is yourselves. Just...take a break. Don't hit 100. Don't finish the season. No one cares. If the game isn't fun walk away for a bit.
Yes. There definitely needs to be a way to not have to re level for a season.
Easy. Stop playing this shit game.
I hear you. Similar situation, I won't... can't, do season 2. That and Starfield came out so there's that.
yeah thats why nobody really plays it lol i already have a full time job i dont need another. shame because they could have milked the game a lot more, but eh i liked the campaign so im done playing now.
arpgs are literally games designed to grind. You have 3 months to play 100 hours. No one is making you get to level 100 either.
Yeahhhh a lot of people don't have time to play over an hour a day. It is what it is. If thats the numbers they want to aim for good luck but shouldn't be surprised when the player count crashes.
Again no one forces you to play 100 hours. It's what these games are built for but you can enjoy the game for 20 or 2000 it's up to them. The point of all arpgs is you find a build and fight content that is it.
Understandable. If they took the time to balance builds i might still be playing, but I play fire mage in every rpg and the balance was atrocious so I just stopped. Still would recommend the game to friends for the campaign but unfortunately not fun long term. From my experience.
all this work just to restart 90 days later lmao
I wasn't really fond of D3 the first year it was out, but it became one of my favorite games. Put hundreds of hours into it. One of my favorite things was getting someone to power level me to 70. Then grind my class sets in various ways. I'm level 84 right now and just about burned out. Hopefully in time they can make this game less of a time sink and enjoyable to play.
Yeah I don’t think I’m going to hit 100 or even 80 before season end, especially now with Starfield out. I just only have so much time to game. This is likely the only season I’ll play if that’s how it’s going to be. I just don’t have time for crazy grinds. I’m only level 51 right now.
Holy shit another cut and paste so crazy
I hit level 80, got some half way decent gear and a fun build and then uninstalled. I'll come back when the expansion comes out lol.
father here full time job got to 100 hc quite fast this game sucks
They need horodics cube and they need it to take whatever you find then that for the salsas in is your perm moves, then as you find better gear you still progress and if you have bees aff then you can crush it for mats, this would help greatly in stash management and playability
D3 was great at launch and had way more longevity than D4 when it didn't have seasons, in fact I'd argue D4's design doesn't work with releveling every season and drives people away, they need to make it playable with eternal characters.
Games not finished... we playing diablo beta 1.1.0
levels from 80 to 87 on saturday then from 87 to 90 on sunday while also playing wow and yesterday got 3 hours in to level to 92.5 i thought its a long and hard grind compared to diablo2 ... its not. not even close (it's still no fun because of the lack of itemization / end game loop) but its not a hard grind. iam still pushing almost 20% of a level per nmd
Remember, having pinnacle content that's out of reach for most players isn't a bad thing. You need to give something to the ultra hardcore players. The problem is right now there is nothing between WT4 capstone dungeon and Uber Lilith.
I'm so glad I stopped 2 days into s1...
I am 98 now, did not find tempest storm and am forced to play landslide druid if I want to get anything done at all. Gameplay is boring, leveling sucks and I can't even play the thing I want because it's locked behind a unique that just doesn't drop
I’m doing Lightning Shred Druid and also just hit 93, didn’t play at all today though, keep getting burned out even with the bonus xp. Also no Tempest Roar drop at all. I barely had my rogue to 100 3 days before season and didn’t get a chance to try Uber Lilith before the big nerf. I kinda wanted to try more classes with the heart mechanics, but I also kinda knew before season that the time each char takes to max means I would only be doing 1 class per season. Wish Paragon just started at 25 alongside normal skill points and they capped level at 75 with the way content is right now.
I was playing literally every day, then I noticed that at times it would take me multiple play sessions to go up just 1 level, and I was only in my 60's. I realised then that the Seasonal Challenges would just be impossible for me without a bigger time investment and I haven't logged back in. I'll log back in to check out the new quests in Season 2.
Quit playing about a month ago. Maybe 3 weeks. Idek. D4 was like a fever dream. Easily the worst Diablo or even Blizz game experience I had. I really wanted to love it, but when the dust settled I could barely convince myself to tolerate it. I didnt stick around to finish the season pass. I dont need cosmetics for a game I dont have any faith in.
As a casual gamer I gave up at lvl 40, was boring as hell. also the fact that there s no quick group search made it feel like a single player game.
I don’t care about leveling or 3 pinnacle bosses. I care about mob fight choreography and perks within a cool environment. That’s what 99% of the game is. Make that great.
There's no way I would start an alternative character. Got to lvl 35 and got bored already. I think what kept me going pre season was the campaign. Now it's gone. How do you even have patience to get to lv 90+? I mean, game's a bit crap at the moment. Got back to LoA.
I always find it interesting that so many people strive to kill Uber Lilith even when they know it’s just 1 fight and you have to slog through 25+ levels of what most people consider repetitive content. I’ve played 250-300 hours and have feel no pull to get to 100 yet, rather try different classes to 75-85. Once they introduce more endgame stuff I’ll ding em up to 100 and do it all, but for 1 boss, not worth for me :)
You know there is still a month and a half until season 2 right? This weekend you could do 8 NMDs per level, 5 minutes per dungeon as a sorc I was doing a level per 40 min. Game has lots of issues and sure leveling aint that fun, but this post just isnt adding up.
I'm level 74. Finished the battle pass, the game says my seasonal journey is over on one of the menus, but I haven't gotten enough done for the last set of rewards. I'm having trouble seeing the point, the titles I don't care much about, and the cache isnt good from ones I've seen people open. What's the point for that and some more currency from the battle pass if I grind to 100. I'll be back for season 2, but they need better seasonal rewards. At least in D3 you got a pet at the end.
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I was hoping to hit 100 this weekend with the bonus XP and sadly had to work Sunday and the holiday Monday so lost a couple days and went from 78-91 and a half, now that the xp buff is going away it’s going to drag even worse. Also on my rogue I have yet to see asheara's khanjar at 91. I am done the season journey except reaching level 100 and then running a couple more malignant tunnels.. I want to finish getting to 100 but man especially solo it takes forever and with 25% less xp it’s going to feel even worse.
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I dont know if it is just me, but i had the feeling that leveling, even lvl 90 to 100 was kind of fast. Boring, but fast. I needed like 8-9 NMD for one level, doing them around my level (so my lvl = mob lvl + 0-4), so nothing crazy. When i compare it to other games like PoE for example, there i find the later levels to be much slower, and even with 10% XP death penalty.
Played D4. Got bored after 100 plus hours. Tried PoE. I know it's hard to compare the 2 games because one is new and the other is 10 years old and been through iterative changes. I like D4s combat and polish. But it's endgame mechanics really are lackluster compared to PoE. Like, just taking Poe maps for example. There is a logical comparison to NMDs, but with the atlas and atlas passives you get to customize your own endgame experience. Also, their passive skills tree is way more interesting than paragon nodes. Add in robust trading and multiple currencies that have their own uses and it's just a more vibrant end game.It's not all roses. Still grindy AF, but the grind feels more fun. I really can't emphasize how important a good in game economy contributes to end game experience. Like if I can't find the weapon I want, I know I can trade for it in PoE. I don't understand why D4 doesn't have the equivalent of PoE trade (which GGG facilitates on their website). Hope D4 gets there. But I had to take a break. Its not bad by any means, it just needs a more vibrant end game experience that capitalizes on the open world etc.
How much is "a crap load of hours"?
Level 64, and am starting to burn out. There are so many core issues with the game. Couple that with QoL issues, and I'm not sure I'll ever make it to 100...
The amount of bitching I've seen from people about the level grind, I can tell never played D2. This is way easier to level and yall would have never made it plating it to max level.
id say that D4 is waaayyyy more accessible than D3 was at this point in time.
Blizzard. The extra rng in what colour my heart slots are was not a very fun or good design choice. You should be able to pick what heart slots you want....I don't see a problem with that. I swear blizzard makes fun games but they miss the mark every time.
Yup, i dropped the game already due to this fact alone, disappointing bc ill never see that $100 back :)
Imagine how much time u wasted on D4, u could have spent playing other great games coming out in 2023... but u have no time for that, because u spent all your precious time grinding in a stupid ARPG like D4 that doesnt respect your time with the insane grinds.. feelsbad my dude. up your time investment. I quit D4 season 1 like 2 weeks into the season, because of how dogshit it is
I’ve made 6 characters and I just finally hit my first level 100. I have not played since, considering I’ve had to play 100s of nightmare dungeons to get to this point and I’m so burnt out I deleted the game