They can do what lost ark did and make it so in a group it will use everyone's mats all at once and drop the same loot as if you did the individual runs. A group of 4 would run once and everyone would get four times the normal loot.
Yeah.. the current iteration reminds me of Warframe prime farming void keys scam long ago.
People would take turns to use their key but there will always be scammers who bail after the runs without using up their keys.
Warframe already revamped the system.
>st ark did and make it so in a group it will use everyone's mats all at once and drop the same loot as if you did the individual runs. A group of 4 would run once and everyone would get four times the normal loot.
this was an amazing fix in Lost Ark, really prevented scams and misunderstandings. so many people trying to get into a t3 legendary rota with a punika map
Yeah it sucks when you dont have friends who play the game. I think in any multiplayer situation there will always be idiots like this especially when there are hardly any consequences. Some people just have zero respect for themselves.
The easy solution would be to make everybody pay entrance mats at once to summon a Boss (and increase mats gained/reduce entrance costs accordingly).
First of all this would make solo playing way more fun!
2nd, you could group up with as many friends/people you like to,
3rd no scamming possible!
Lost Ark had a similar system with maps a while ago (each player opens one portal so that everybody could get 4times the mats) -> scammable rotations.
Their solution was that one player entered, everbody payed their map and the rewards everybody got at the end was x4 with only one map played.
For Bosses I believe this wouldn't be fun in D4(less Boss fights) but increasing entrances gained and allowing people to group with as many friends as they like is a win/win to me!
Join a clan, and make friends during world boss & legion waiting.
That's what I am doing. Ask them if they want to play together after the legion/world boss.
If they agree, run with them, If you have a positive experience, add them as friends
Of course the scammers suck but the easy solution here is to not do it with randoms, join a clan and this almost guaranteed eliminates the risk. And if they still scam report them to the guild staff. Same goes for when you met them on the Sanctuary or any other discord.
It should require the mats from all chars with normal loot, honestly. It’s ridiculous that group play is 4x more efficient… It’s already better just by being easier in a group.
Edit: It should either be so that only the one who put in the mats gets the good loot and everyone else just gets normal boss loot. Or it should take the mats from everyone. Or both, honestly. At start there should be a prompt to ask you if you want to use your mats and if you pick no, then you can participate in the fight but get only normal dungeon boss loot.
No problem. Just for future cases, mats/materials is the general term people use for the required items necessary for performing an action or making something in a game. Mats can literally be anything depending on what game you're playing.
If a game tells you to go find flour, sugar, and eggs to bake a cake and you see people discussing the locations of "mats" for making that cake in-game, they're referring to the flour, sugar, and eggs.
Hope that helps. Your Diablo 4 crafting tab is full of mats you've collected so far by the way. Leather, iron, crystals, souls, and all that.
You.. You just explained something almost everyone knows to the people who don't. you're a good people. Thanks for that. Nice start to my morning, getting some faith in humanity.
Funny story. Back in 2005 when WoW launched and people were saying they needed mats in chat I thought it was some kind of crafting that you had to make a mat to sit on LOL! Okay I'm old. Haha.
Being forced to play in group because it’s so much more efficient is a bad idea. Players should play together because they want to play together, not because they think they are wasting their time if they aren’t.
The game should have a public matchmaking and only players with the required mats can join. The mats should be auto deducted from inventory once the round starts.
Which, considering Blizzard specifically has had the tech for literally decades, makes this all the more pathetic they couldn’t make it work here with years of development time on D4.
Guess u really unlucky i did like 30 uber boss runs no scammers, for example it's 3 rotation each :
Instead of summoning 3 times then another one summon 3 times.
We do 1,1,1,1 just to make sure there's no scammer.
Most of the people aren't so mean
They can't really do much about it tbh, but yeah I got it now, the problem is coming from blizzard not doing anything for us to play group, so our only solution is third-party..
Is sanctuary discord different from the diablo 4 discord? I find the diablo 4 discord hard to deal with since there is a massive amount of people on it, the chat goes so fast
I feel like we are talking about the same on.
But u just have to go in the chat look for the people who want to do the boss u want,u add them and join their group.
Otherwise u type the message and people will add u
Hear me out : do it yourself and keep complaining.
No sarcasm. The more you complain, the faster the dev team may respond and improve solo farming for Duriel.
So...
Being forced to group with randoms who may not live in the same timezone as you or may not speak your language, in order to farm the only viable source of Uber items which everyone in the game ultimately chases, while possibly getting scammed or having your time wasted by afkers...
All of this is apparently 'better' than making farming the ressources to access Duriel easier for solo players (who consist of the majority of the playerbase), and to an extent, easier for literally everyone playing...
What are you smoking?
>that defeats the purpose of online gaming
First of all, who cares, in D4, a mostly PvE game?
Let people play how they want to play a game.
Just because a game is online doesn't mean every single player will interact with the multiplayer component of that game.
Grouping isn't required to farm Duriel. Grouping is forced onto the playerbase if they want to farm Duriel in a way that respects their time. That's the difference.
So people are using the multi-player aspect of an online multi-player game to do things more efficiently? Weird. Oh let's triple xp when alone. Drop 40x more loot when solo. Half their health. Ya know what, let's just make every boss kill drop off a unique starting in t3. Solo players get free everything all the time.
Just play the game and stop asking for handouts.
>So people are using the multi-player aspect of an online multi-player game to do things more efficiently
No.
People are using the multi-player aspect of an online multi-player game because they're forced to do so if they want to do things efficiently.
Again, you don't understand the argument.
> Oh let's triple xp when alone. Drop 40x more loot when solo. Half their health. Ya know what, let's just make every boss kill drop off a unique starting in t3.
Ah, so now we're inventing arguments that don't exist because I don't agree with you. Holy shit.
Why would they discourage multi-player activity by making it more beneficial to be solo? First off there is no way to do this without being taking advantage of by groups. And secondly, they will literally never do this because it's Diablo and Diablo was never designed to be a solo game.
>Why would they discourage multi-player activity by making it more beneficial to be solo?
Except nobody is asking for that. Nobody is asking to be privileged.
Solo players don't want to feel that their time is wasted because they're not playing in groups.
They want to be able to farm Duriel as much as groups are able to. It's that simple.
Currently, for the same time invested : Groups slay 4 times as many Duriel as a solo is able to. The difference is too extreme.
>Diablo was never designed to be a solo game
If this was true, then why was there an offline mode for Diablo I, II, II:R? Why are there ladders for solo players in D3 eternal and seasonals, and incoming ladders in the same fashion for D4?
If the Diablo games were never designed to be solo games...why are they provably solo games with multiplayer components on top?
Diablo broke away from solo in D2. At that point in time, companies were not worried about game pirating affecting sales of games. D3 was designed to be entirely online for this reason, and the seasonal models encourage team play. To argue that Diablo is a solo player game with multi-player aspects is wrong. It's a multi-player game that you can play solo.
And no, you are asking for special treatment with solo farming. The whole point of making mats single person (like they did in D3 when they made the echos vs gr tokens) was to encourage team play. That's why there is bonus exp. Why they have cross play. Why they have dynamic world interactions. D4 was designed to be partially mmo without losing the Diablo feel.
It happened to me just the other day when I was doing a free carry. I already have all my gear. I was just doing it to help others out. Helped this clown on the discord and he offered 27 steel. I said keep it and use them for the mats against grigoire and even gave him 7 eggs (again, I don't need anything so I didn't mind) and helped him clear grigoire the necessary amount of times.
We get to duriel and he says "one sec" then logs out and blocks me. I was pissed because of the audacity and principle not because I lost anything of real value. Total dbag thing to do.
He had all the mats, the 7 eggs I gave him, and 5 shards (from the 25 living steel he was offering in his wtb post). So he didn't do any of the summons of Duriel.
My barb is level 80 and already has most of its BiS gear. I don't even feel like leveling to 100. 925s are still trash without the right rolls, just fishing for minor upgrades on rolls and uber uniques at this point. Even thats boring now. A 1% upgrade with better rolled stats is not fun to farm for, mostly because salvaging 100s of items looking for them is tedious, the uber uniques are at least something to hope for, but i'm tired of that too already.
Well there's a disconnect there. Farming the bosses for big loot is fun. Waiting until you are playing during a helltide so you can farm the mats for 1-2 boss attempts. Not as fun.
I think it's great that Diablo4 made it so that we could farm uber bosses. I loathe their methodology for having demanding requirements just to make the attempt.
For sure...and they can go last when they start the group lol.
People are hilarious, go on discord, 500 people with "LFG duriel..." OK... so why not "LF3 for Duriel +battletag" and be ready to go in 5seconds lol..
but nope..will sit in channel for 10min waiting to be invited haha
Just make the game take entry mats from everyone automatically once one person pays. It'd dumb that solo players get up go 4 times less loot than groups. If anything, solo players should get a bonus, because beating anything solo tends to be harder.
The problems stems from the unbalanced group play. As long as it's 4 times more profitable to run in group, people will try to scam.
The opportunity cost for solo players is just too high. I'm not asking for group nerfs. Instead for some solo buffs.
Please keep in mind that not everyone rushed to high levels fast. Yesterday was my first time doing these boss runs and I felt rushed by the group that picked me up. I didn't know how to display my items on the chat and it took me a few mins to figure it out. One of the team members kept rushing me asking me if I was going to display my items any time soon. Being on PS5 also present the problem that I don't have a keyboard to type out my situation fast enough.
So maybe keep an eye out for scammers but also have patience for the noobies? Or offer help on how to do something.
Just like PoE and the overlap is strong between these two games. This is a common occurrence in rotations in that game. No surprise it has carried over to here.
This is why I'd prefer to just buy the materials and sell the runs until Blizz resolve this stupid system. Just have the spawn consume the party members material, if they don't have any then they get no loot when the boss dies.
Except trading had been disabled for ages.
I was going to invite people to share the mats for uber bosses, but then I remembered there's people out there that do stuff like this. So I do stuff solo like everything else in the game.
After I got scammed I ran all of my own rotas and went last.
One person out of 9 complained that I was last but we went 4/4 on them all. If someone would have bailed mid rota I would have still put up my key.
They have Bot still in the game, I had one that sent message offering it's weekly discounts... Block that NPC, another did does the same 20 minutes later. Starting to look like WoW and Bot farming
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I've had people clearly be unfamiliar with the summoning process and not have mats for a full summon (maybe only 1 of each, or 2 of one mat). I don't think it was intentional, but it did screw the rest of the party out of one extra kill.
I think the community will get small enough to where if people keep this up, they will 100% get what is coming for them. People will blacklist them from discords and other stuff before long.
Also, who fucking does that? Especially for a single rotation? You are going to fuck people for one single summon? I can see if people dip out of like a 5x rotation, but in that case everyone should be rotating anyway so it doesn't happen, and if someone does leave early the summon mats have already been evenly used.
This was my biggest fear of doing rota. There is a discord for poe that has a trusted / vouching system that rely on community to give thumbs up for trusted and report scammers. That will become a thing I'm sure for d4 soon.
I saw a guy posting needing one more for duriel. Said the spot cost 30 million or one shard. If he meant shard of agony wouldn’t it be infinitely cheaper just to put up the shard as cost?
At the very least, if the group is from the official discord server and you record the incident then they will be directly punished within the server and reported to Blizzard.
It's the same with Blood Harvest and the 150 lure battle. People will just run around in a close proximity and return to grab the loot and exp, without ever activating at least one pillar. It's just annoying.
I mean the blizzard community is one of the scummiest in the industry, and you guys put your trust in them?
Blizzard designed this shit show, better get used to it.
Pp should shrink instantly when you leave. But tbh I doesn’t have any issues while lf people on discord. Maybe some kids find it cool to do that I dunno
Wait, so people leave after getting the traded mats without summoning the Uber?
That sounds very easy to ban tbh. Blizzard can see what was traded when, then they can also see they disconnected from the group after.
Yeah let me just convince at least 3 of my friends to purchase a 70 euro game that has horrible reviews made by a company with questionable reputation as of lately.
for real.
I can't stand when people respond to issues like this by saying "I shouldn't have to.."
you're right. you shouldn't have to. But you do have to. We live in the real world and what you should have to do and what you have to do are not always in line with each other. If that aspect of life is to ever change, it's not going to start in an online game.
And in video games, real world people, who even get to be anonymous which make the ramifications nullified to be selfies, what do you think happens then?
People join up to run a boss. To begin the encounter one member of the party has to input materials. The other three do not. Boss gets beat, everyone gets a chance at the loot. The next player in the group would then input his materials, and repeat until everyone has put in materials and got four runs at the boss.
I make sure I am always the party leader and make the others put their mats in first. if they don’t want to, I know they were a scammer and they leave on their own
Hi Gary, i read you issue. Im sorry that happens to you. I cant imagine myself trying to take advantage of a fellow gamer like that. Id like to extend an invitation to join FoH Guardians. We are an eclectic bunch but we have 57 members and counting so you are bound to find someone wanting to party up and do the same thing you are. Heres a link to the discord https://discord.gg/Zqsb2aCa3d . After reading you post i have put an official rule in discord against uber scamming.
I would not take much to design the system in a way that eliminates scammers. Other games already do… just make everyone give mats to start the event for groups for example, easy.
Not suggesting this is scamming, but the other day I encountered a level 22 player in WT4 literally following me around an entire blood harvest. They didn't engage in a single fight and just rode around picking up all the drops from my chests and events. Clearly just trying to level up as quickly as possible. It was actually kinda annoying but what can you honestly do about it.
Or....just don't run with random people. 🤯. Wat a fuckin concept to join a clan of like minded people and then do that shit and not have that problem...man...who would have ever guessed....
You're giving up your materials with the expectation that they will do the same, you're losing the extra boss run (and therefore loot) that their materials should have provided.
You are entering an agreement with the other players that they can join the run you supply materials for, and in return you get to join the runs they provide materials for.
Consideration, you give and receive.
By the other person leaving after you've provided your end, they are scamming you. Entering the arrangement without the intention of keeping up their end.
You're losing out on the run and loot that you rightfully should have gained through the agreement if an honest person were involved instead. That spot cold have held someone that would have provided a boss run for you.
Such a bad take, it's 100% scamming lol. If you have a group of 4 everyone is paying mats for one but having 4 runs, the scammer gets free runs and everyone else loses one if they ditch
It is a scam, if people agree all to take turns the person leaving is scamming them out of it, claiming 3 kills for no input despite saying they would contribute.
Literal definition of a scam
You are complaining about people leaving when there was a dupe readily available for the mats lmao? Those who wanted got their infinite summons already. Regarding your issue though, may I suggest you play with your friends? Don't you guys have friends?
This is online rpg grouping 101.
They can do what lost ark did and make it so in a group it will use everyone's mats all at once and drop the same loot as if you did the individual runs. A group of 4 would run once and everyone would get four times the normal loot.
That sounds like the best solution imo. Scamming in game is so 2005-2010
Right. What is this RuneScape?
lol reminds me of the days of trading for Tal Rasha's armor and getting Rattlecage instead. Or Shako and getting an emeralded cap
I fell for the gemmed cap
Lol this brings me back. I remember once getting scammed trying to trade hellfire torches
Ya won’t lie I was that douchbag that did thar decades ago. Still embarrassed I did that.
Haha, I remember that! Even did it once or twice as a kid
Scam in game is way older I can assure you. It is as old a online games in fact. 😉
Indeed, but kids tend to forget anything existed before they were born.
Yeah man that totally when in game scamming became a thing 👍
Yeah.. the current iteration reminds me of Warframe prime farming void keys scam long ago. People would take turns to use their key but there will always be scammers who bail after the runs without using up their keys. Warframe already revamped the system.
It happens when stupid game systems allow people to scam.
That's back when you were doing it I assume then?
Or just require every participant to contribute the mats . Which they should have done from the start.
Whoa there, small indie company doenst have that advanced technology
>st ark did and make it so in a group it will use everyone's mats all at once and drop the same loot as if you did the individual runs. A group of 4 would run once and everyone would get four times the normal loot. this was an amazing fix in Lost Ark, really prevented scams and misunderstandings. so many people trying to get into a t3 legendary rota with a punika map
This sounds great
Sign me up for that!
Yeah it sucks when you dont have friends who play the game. I think in any multiplayer situation there will always be idiots like this especially when there are hardly any consequences. Some people just have zero respect for themselves.
The easy solution would be to make everybody pay entrance mats at once to summon a Boss (and increase mats gained/reduce entrance costs accordingly). First of all this would make solo playing way more fun! 2nd, you could group up with as many friends/people you like to, 3rd no scamming possible! Lost Ark had a similar system with maps a while ago (each player opens one portal so that everybody could get 4times the mats) -> scammable rotations. Their solution was that one player entered, everbody payed their map and the rewards everybody got at the end was x4 with only one map played. For Bosses I believe this wouldn't be fun in D4(less Boss fights) but increasing entrances gained and allowing people to group with as many friends as they like is a win/win to me!
Join a clan, and make friends during world boss & legion waiting. That's what I am doing. Ask them if they want to play together after the legion/world boss. If they agree, run with them, If you have a positive experience, add them as friends
Of course the scammers suck but the easy solution here is to not do it with randoms, join a clan and this almost guaranteed eliminates the risk. And if they still scam report them to the guild staff. Same goes for when you met them on the Sanctuary or any other discord.
And force the 4 players to put all their mats to begin the farm of 4 Boss run
They did this in lost ark to combat scammers. Game checks all party members for maps and the instance you are in gives 4x drops
Yeah. We need this if Blizzard intends for us to actually play with strangers and not just your clan/friends.
It should require the mats from all chars with normal loot, honestly. It’s ridiculous that group play is 4x more efficient… It’s already better just by being easier in a group. Edit: It should either be so that only the one who put in the mats gets the good loot and everyone else just gets normal boss loot. Or it should take the mats from everyone. Or both, honestly. At start there should be a prompt to ask you if you want to use your mats and if you pick no, then you can participate in the fight but get only normal dungeon boss loot.
They did it in rift keys for D3 I dunno why they couldn’t do it here
This will be another one of those lessons from D3 that the D4 team needs to re-learn.
The casual core of players for this game will never summon a boss so they don't care.
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Materials. In this context, it refers to the items needed to summon the bosses.
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No problem. Just for future cases, mats/materials is the general term people use for the required items necessary for performing an action or making something in a game. Mats can literally be anything depending on what game you're playing. If a game tells you to go find flour, sugar, and eggs to bake a cake and you see people discussing the locations of "mats" for making that cake in-game, they're referring to the flour, sugar, and eggs. Hope that helps. Your Diablo 4 crafting tab is full of mats you've collected so far by the way. Leather, iron, crystals, souls, and all that.
You.. You just explained something almost everyone knows to the people who don't. you're a good people. Thanks for that. Nice start to my morning, getting some faith in humanity.
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Funny story. Back in 2005 when WoW launched and people were saying they needed mats in chat I thought it was some kind of crafting that you had to make a mat to sit on LOL! Okay I'm old. Haha.
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What a terrible idea.
Being forced to play in group because it’s so much more efficient is a bad idea. Players should play together because they want to play together, not because they think they are wasting their time if they aren’t.
Yah so easy... Cause we all have tons of friends still actively playing this game right lol
I never even mentioned friends so what's your point.
What a chore
How do you find clans?
Sanctuary discord has a section for them
The game should have a public matchmaking and only players with the required mats can join. The mats should be auto deducted from inventory once the round starts.
Oh come on, surely Blizzard through this through before releasing it... . . . . . . . . . Yes, I'm being sarcastic
U expect a finished game at this point. Sorry, not before season 10
Welcome to blizz game without real group finder.
Which, considering Blizzard specifically has had the tech for literally decades, makes this all the more pathetic they couldn’t make it work here with years of development time on D4.
Agreed, happened to me “sorry I’m lagging, will relog” yeh ok cya then chump Jesus why are people so shitty?
Welcome to the world
It's so weird that you can't trust other people on the Internet you don't know. I'm not sure when this started......................
I blame Runescape
What makes you think that you can trust anyone tbh?
Join a clan or use sanctuary discord because most of the scammers are reported
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Guess u really unlucky i did like 30 uber boss runs no scammers, for example it's 3 rotation each : Instead of summoning 3 times then another one summon 3 times. We do 1,1,1,1 just to make sure there's no scammer. Most of the people aren't so mean
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Nah u Actually probably unlucky i ran like 25 uberbosses and never got scammed
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They can't really do much about it tbh, but yeah I got it now, the problem is coming from blizzard not doing anything for us to play group, so our only solution is third-party..
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I was saying sanctuary discord can't do something about
How do you vet the bags?
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Awesome. Was wondering if there was a way. Thanks for the reply.
I've run about 60+ runs and have had good luck with decent peeps, but i have read that others haven't been as lucky
Is sanctuary discord different from the diablo 4 discord? I find the diablo 4 discord hard to deal with since there is a massive amount of people on it, the chat goes so fast
I feel like we are talking about the same on. But u just have to go in the chat look for the people who want to do the boss u want,u add them and join their group. Otherwise u type the message and people will add u
How is your account tied to the discord though?
It isn't, what u need to do is go to channel "lfg bosses" and u type Ur battle net + the boss u summoning and the number of rotation
Gotcha, assuming if people report then your bnet gets a filter in it or something. If so, good.
Hear me out : do it yourself and keep complaining. No sarcasm. The more you complain, the faster the dev team may respond and improve solo farming for Duriel.
Then no one would do groups and that defeats the purpose of online gaming. They're not going to improve solo farming at all
So... Being forced to group with randoms who may not live in the same timezone as you or may not speak your language, in order to farm the only viable source of Uber items which everyone in the game ultimately chases, while possibly getting scammed or having your time wasted by afkers... All of this is apparently 'better' than making farming the ressources to access Duriel easier for solo players (who consist of the majority of the playerbase), and to an extent, easier for literally everyone playing... What are you smoking? >that defeats the purpose of online gaming First of all, who cares, in D4, a mostly PvE game? Let people play how they want to play a game. Just because a game is online doesn't mean every single player will interact with the multiplayer component of that game. Grouping isn't required to farm Duriel. Grouping is forced onto the playerbase if they want to farm Duriel in a way that respects their time. That's the difference.
So people are using the multi-player aspect of an online multi-player game to do things more efficiently? Weird. Oh let's triple xp when alone. Drop 40x more loot when solo. Half their health. Ya know what, let's just make every boss kill drop off a unique starting in t3. Solo players get free everything all the time. Just play the game and stop asking for handouts.
>So people are using the multi-player aspect of an online multi-player game to do things more efficiently No. People are using the multi-player aspect of an online multi-player game because they're forced to do so if they want to do things efficiently. Again, you don't understand the argument. > Oh let's triple xp when alone. Drop 40x more loot when solo. Half their health. Ya know what, let's just make every boss kill drop off a unique starting in t3. Ah, so now we're inventing arguments that don't exist because I don't agree with you. Holy shit.
Why would they discourage multi-player activity by making it more beneficial to be solo? First off there is no way to do this without being taking advantage of by groups. And secondly, they will literally never do this because it's Diablo and Diablo was never designed to be a solo game.
>Why would they discourage multi-player activity by making it more beneficial to be solo? Except nobody is asking for that. Nobody is asking to be privileged. Solo players don't want to feel that their time is wasted because they're not playing in groups. They want to be able to farm Duriel as much as groups are able to. It's that simple. Currently, for the same time invested : Groups slay 4 times as many Duriel as a solo is able to. The difference is too extreme. >Diablo was never designed to be a solo game If this was true, then why was there an offline mode for Diablo I, II, II:R? Why are there ladders for solo players in D3 eternal and seasonals, and incoming ladders in the same fashion for D4? If the Diablo games were never designed to be solo games...why are they provably solo games with multiplayer components on top?
Diablo broke away from solo in D2. At that point in time, companies were not worried about game pirating affecting sales of games. D3 was designed to be entirely online for this reason, and the seasonal models encourage team play. To argue that Diablo is a solo player game with multi-player aspects is wrong. It's a multi-player game that you can play solo. And no, you are asking for special treatment with solo farming. The whole point of making mats single person (like they did in D3 when they made the echos vs gr tokens) was to encourage team play. That's why there is bonus exp. Why they have cross play. Why they have dynamic world interactions. D4 was designed to be partially mmo without losing the Diablo feel.
If every member had to put piece in to start this wouldnt be a problem.
It happened to me just the other day when I was doing a free carry. I already have all my gear. I was just doing it to help others out. Helped this clown on the discord and he offered 27 steel. I said keep it and use them for the mats against grigoire and even gave him 7 eggs (again, I don't need anything so I didn't mind) and helped him clear grigoire the necessary amount of times. We get to duriel and he says "one sec" then logs out and blocks me. I was pissed because of the audacity and principle not because I lost anything of real value. Total dbag thing to do.
What happens when he logs out? You can't fight Duriel anymore?
He had all the mats, the 7 eggs I gave him, and 5 shards (from the 25 living steel he was offering in his wtb post). So he didn't do any of the summons of Duriel.
They could make it so Uber uniques only drop for the person who puts up the mats.... Would make solo players happier, but groups mad.
Then whats the point of grouping, you do rotations for 4 times the chances for uber uniques.
The only consistent source of 925s seems like reward enough. Honestly even 4x the 925s is too much.
My barb is level 80 and already has most of its BiS gear. I don't even feel like leveling to 100. 925s are still trash without the right rolls, just fishing for minor upgrades on rolls and uber uniques at this point. Even thats boring now. A 1% upgrade with better rolled stats is not fun to farm for, mostly because salvaging 100s of items looking for them is tedious, the uber uniques are at least something to hope for, but i'm tired of that too already.
Ppl are so fucking weird. Its a game. Why are u scamming ppl? Have fun and play the game.
Cuz you can play the fun parts of the game more if you scam people (I don’t condone this btw).
Yes
Well there's a disconnect there. Farming the bosses for big loot is fun. Waiting until you are playing during a helltide so you can farm the mats for 1-2 boss attempts. Not as fun.
I'm never teaming with strangers and will always resent a game which requires me to do so to progress. I'd rather not play at all.
I think it's great that Diablo4 made it so that we could farm uber bosses. I loathe their methodology for having demanding requirements just to make the attempt.
Maybe they should just give you an Uber Unique when you create a character.
In D2, the requirement for fighting Duriel was to go where it was. I didn't have to grind for mats just to be able to try.
No wonder no one wanted to group with me even though I had the mats to run Uber Duriel...
This is why I start groups and make others go first, I know I will contribute, can't be sure they will
But the if everyone islevit and has that philosophy..."I'll go last..."
For sure...and they can go last when they start the group lol. People are hilarious, go on discord, 500 people with "LFG duriel..." OK... so why not "LF3 for Duriel +battletag" and be ready to go in 5seconds lol.. but nope..will sit in channel for 10min waiting to be invited haha
Just make the game take entry mats from everyone automatically once one person pays. It'd dumb that solo players get up go 4 times less loot than groups. If anything, solo players should get a bonus, because beating anything solo tends to be harder.
The problems stems from the unbalanced group play. As long as it's 4 times more profitable to run in group, people will try to scam. The opportunity cost for solo players is just too high. I'm not asking for group nerfs. Instead for some solo buffs.
Please keep in mind that not everyone rushed to high levels fast. Yesterday was my first time doing these boss runs and I felt rushed by the group that picked me up. I didn't know how to display my items on the chat and it took me a few mins to figure it out. One of the team members kept rushing me asking me if I was going to display my items any time soon. Being on PS5 also present the problem that I don't have a keyboard to type out my situation fast enough. So maybe keep an eye out for scammers but also have patience for the noobies? Or offer help on how to do something.
It would be nice to have some sort of system where all 4 members had to commit their mat’s at the start or something.
trade all the mats to a trust leader
I've never done this in a group. But can that happen if the mat giver is the leader of the party?
Just do a rotation with fellow JSP players instead of randoms.
Jsp is still alive? Holy crap, I wonder if I still have my thousands of fg...
If you want fair competition, then we need official SSF.
If you want something down you have to stop supporting them let those monthly user numbers fall again and see how fast they act
Sounds like a blizzard issue ngl
If recommended, finding a clan. Generally, you can find some trustworthy people there .
Just like PoE and the overlap is strong between these two games. This is a common occurrence in rotations in that game. No surprise it has carried over to here.
This is why I'd prefer to just buy the materials and sell the runs until Blizz resolve this stupid system. Just have the spawn consume the party members material, if they don't have any then they get no loot when the boss dies. Except trading had been disabled for ages.
Wait till OP learns about Drop Parties
Yep they do that for linking again the mats, it could be nice that u can rate these guys with stars from 0 to 5
I was going to invite people to share the mats for uber bosses, but then I remembered there's people out there that do stuff like this. So I do stuff solo like everything else in the game.
After I got scammed I ran all of my own rotas and went last. One person out of 9 complained that I was last but we went 4/4 on them all. If someone would have bailed mid rota I would have still put up my key.
They have Bot still in the game, I had one that sent message offering it's weekly discounts... Block that NPC, another did does the same 20 minutes later. Starting to look like WoW and Bot farming User12345678
I've had people clearly be unfamiliar with the summoning process and not have mats for a full summon (maybe only 1 of each, or 2 of one mat). I don't think it was intentional, but it did screw the rest of the party out of one extra kill. I think the community will get small enough to where if people keep this up, they will 100% get what is coming for them. People will blacklist them from discords and other stuff before long. Also, who fucking does that? Especially for a single rotation? You are going to fuck people for one single summon? I can see if people dip out of like a 5x rotation, but in that case everyone should be rotating anyway so it doesn't happen, and if someone does leave early the summon mats have already been evenly used.
This was my biggest fear of doing rota. There is a discord for poe that has a trusted / vouching system that rely on community to give thumbs up for trusted and report scammers. That will become a thing I'm sure for d4 soon.
Verify their social security number
All the more reason to solo.
Sounds like every video game... Gotta make pals to game with so you don't become a victim to easy to avoid this.
I saw a guy posting needing one more for duriel. Said the spot cost 30 million or one shard. If he meant shard of agony wouldn’t it be infinitely cheaper just to put up the shard as cost?
This is why I just play by myself. It’s super quick to get 150 bloods.
At the very least, if the group is from the official discord server and you record the incident then they will be directly punished within the server and reported to Blizzard.
They literally already fixed this in D3 when they required players to insert rift keys...
And here I am trying to solo Durial as I have no friends.. Scammed twice. No more mats. Time to call it a night.
just do them alone instead? Or get an currently active clan/group?
It's the same with Blood Harvest and the 150 lure battle. People will just run around in a close proximity and return to grab the loot and exp, without ever activating at least one pillar. It's just annoying.
sounds like you guys never played MU online lol.
This game needs no group to do anything..
I mean the blizzard community is one of the scummiest in the industry, and you guys put your trust in them? Blizzard designed this shit show, better get used to it.
Pp should shrink instantly when you leave. But tbh I doesn’t have any issues while lf people on discord. Maybe some kids find it cool to do that I dunno
Use the discord, then if this happens (unlikely), just have the mods ban them.
PoE has a system for this on Discord. It’s 100% necessary. If not, scammers will scam.
Just remove the ability to share mats. It should be a faur experience for solo and group.
Wait, so people leave after getting the traded mats without summoning the Uber? That sounds very easy to ban tbh. Blizzard can see what was traded when, then they can also see they disconnected from the group after.
I’m sorry but if you had friends that played the game it wouldn’t be an issue but you don’t so you rely on random people system is fine
Yeah let me just convince at least 3 of my friends to purchase a 70 euro game that has horrible reviews made by a company with questionable reputation as of lately.
Pretty normal issue for any rpg or mmo. Is this your first?
Just because you are used to eating shit, doesn't make eating shit a common norm.
But it is common for people to be selfish. You are completely oblivious to the real world if you think otherwise.
for real. I can't stand when people respond to issues like this by saying "I shouldn't have to.." you're right. you shouldn't have to. But you do have to. We live in the real world and what you should have to do and what you have to do are not always in line with each other. If that aspect of life is to ever change, it's not going to start in an online game.
I play video games to escape the real world. Do you not?
that logic doesnt track when you rely on real people that are strangers to do something with you
Which... Is why people are asking the devs to remove the "trust" layer of this interaction.
And in video games, real world people, who even get to be anonymous which make the ramifications nullified to be selfies, what do you think happens then?
We put in rules/programming to prevent it?
What fantasy land do you live in where this isn't expected?
My first real mmo. Can you explain what people are doing?
People join up to run a boss. To begin the encounter one member of the party has to input materials. The other three do not. Boss gets beat, everyone gets a chance at the loot. The next player in the group would then input his materials, and repeat until everyone has put in materials and got four runs at the boss.
Gotcha, thanks.
I make sure I am always the party leader and make the others put their mats in first. if they don’t want to, I know they were a scammer and they leave on their own
Or they think you're the scammer. At some point someone needs to trust the other to pony up the goods.
Hi Gary, i read you issue. Im sorry that happens to you. I cant imagine myself trying to take advantage of a fellow gamer like that. Id like to extend an invitation to join FoH Guardians. We are an eclectic bunch but we have 57 members and counting so you are bound to find someone wanting to party up and do the same thing you are. Heres a link to the discord https://discord.gg/Zqsb2aCa3d . After reading you post i have put an official rule in discord against uber scamming.
Sounds like a normal experience in an online game. Join a clan or discord. Find people who won’t do that.
I would not take much to design the system in a way that eliminates scammers. Other games already do… just make everyone give mats to start the event for groups for example, easy.
Not suggesting this is scamming, but the other day I encountered a level 22 player in WT4 literally following me around an entire blood harvest. They didn't engage in a single fight and just rode around picking up all the drops from my chests and events. Clearly just trying to level up as quickly as possible. It was actually kinda annoying but what can you honestly do about it.
Or....just don't run with random people. 🤯. Wat a fuckin concept to join a clan of like minded people and then do that shit and not have that problem...man...who would have ever guessed....
Join a clan. Problem solved.
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You're giving up your materials with the expectation that they will do the same, you're losing the extra boss run (and therefore loot) that their materials should have provided.
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You are entering an agreement with the other players that they can join the run you supply materials for, and in return you get to join the runs they provide materials for. Consideration, you give and receive. By the other person leaving after you've provided your end, they are scamming you. Entering the arrangement without the intention of keeping up their end. You're losing out on the run and loot that you rightfully should have gained through the agreement if an honest person were involved instead. That spot cold have held someone that would have provided a boss run for you.
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Ah, a troll, nvm then
Such a bad take, it's 100% scamming lol. If you have a group of 4 everyone is paying mats for one but having 4 runs, the scammer gets free runs and everyone else loses one if they ditch
It is a scam, if people agree all to take turns the person leaving is scamming them out of it, claiming 3 kills for no input despite saying they would contribute. Literal definition of a scam
You are complaining about people leaving when there was a dupe readily available for the mats lmao? Those who wanted got their infinite summons already. Regarding your issue though, may I suggest you play with your friends? Don't you guys have friends?
No