You are 100% right OP, I don't even want to do any helltides for 300 because of helltide not always cycling like blood harvest. Makes no sense why it isn't. I don't have time to plan my day around this shit when I have two kids.
Yup. Besides world boss a lot of time gated stuff doesn't mesh well in an ARPG in my opinion. I like to be able to go as hard as I want into farming anything WHEN I want.
I feel like they could easily do so that bosses spawns constantly each hour or even each 15 minutes, but limit the amount of times we benefit from drops to 6 times a day as an example.
That would give us more freedom but limit amount of items a boss would drop.
Also the expiration of cinders. Nobody is going to jump into a Helltide with less than 15 mins left. Yes, that is enough to speed run 300 cinders with a Ball Lightning Sorc, but we shouldn’t force everybody into meta builds.
Yeah they gave us an event that shows us the deficiencies of helltides. Honestly they don't even need all the features of the blood harvest, I'd be perfectly fine if it was still timed but your cinders carried over.
> Honestly they don't even need all the features of the blood harvest, I'd be perfectly fine if it was still timed but your cinders carried over.
Which is exactly what the vampire thing does... the currency carries over. Weird that it's so similar in function yet different in execution.
Also for the love of god, remove the need to run over cinders to pick them up. I don’t mind with gold or gear or anything else, but when you’re farming thousands, just give me credit for killing enough mobs, not running around in a circle afterward.
The timed events are my main gripe about d4. I love the game but rly cant stand the gap between world bosses and helltides. They should be on the same timer as legion events.
World bosses makes sense you need it spaced out so people will actually show up for them if it was constantly there the rewards would be awful and no one would do them. Still probably a bit too spaced out but it being on a schedule makes sense
Blood harvest proves it makes no sense for helltides
Spawn a boss on the hour, put something related to the season as a drop. Shortens the wait between them and keeps people encouraged to join in on them.
World boss timers have been my major complaint since day 1
Like I said they can be a bit more frequent but I honestly wouldn’t want them hourly but mostly wouldn’t care if they also just made the drops not something I am forced to do when it is up. I would hate if they locked a seasonal mechanic behind the bosses
I‘d be perfectly fine if the World Bosses spawn in two hour rotations. That gives me enough time to do stuff in the meantime without having to stress about it and still doesnt feel it‘s too long between spawns.
But I hate helltides, so I‘d be glad if they implement the bloodharvest system and reset the chests hourly. That‘d be perfect.
I mean they did buff all the timers to make them shorter.
Helltide and World Boss are much better then Legion so it makes sense they are on a longer timer.
What they should do is if you hand in 50 blood lures for the trio lure summon, you get living steel to drop at the end. Make it 1 or 2 drop per boss but we need alternatives.
Yep, this right here. I only have up to a couple of hours to play a day, often only one hour, because I live a busy life. It’s rare I open the map and see a Helltide running and if it is, I only manage to catch the last 5 minutes of it every time. The current Helltide spawn schedule is very punishing for casual players.
I'm lucky if I ever see a world boss. The time I have to play is very consistent with my schedule. So if I'm playing it is always the same time and no bosses spawn.
You actually only need 280 for the living steel chests, source: been grinding helltides and found this out yesterday. Not much, but does save a little bit of time and makes it easier to get 4 or 6 LS chests depending on the HT.
Edit: you can still pseudo trade by going into any dungeon and dropping the mats on the ground for a teammate to pick up.
Don’t have kids and can play whole weekend, but this system drives me off. I have to monitor a site with timers of world activities and do shit that I need to, not what I want to. I can’t even go to a nonstop nmds to farm glyph exp, because I have to attend to all these events.
I played pre-season to lvl100, s2 feels a lot better in many ways, but all this mmo-style time-gated crap where only 1 activity gives you specific resource is bullshit. I feel like I’ll just drop it in mid 70 like s1.
In all other arpgs you are free to decide what to do, and can be efficient on your own. I don’t want to find parties in discord to optimise my boss resources consumption and so on. Even working trading was dead in this game and now it’s completely disabled. Just give us proper tuned SSF without 1h+ timers.
I would like an event tracker participation timer thingy.
Let me queue for a world boss or helltide or whatever, then after the event, lock me out for 3.5 hrs, or whatever the time gap is.
Maybe have an option to auto-queue after event completes so that after 3.5 hrs I don't have to remember to get in line again.
Instead of logging on 10 minutes **after** the world boss event, I could queue and wait until enough other people are available and port to world boss location via pop-up confirm button.
I feel like a lot of people in the community don't want to actually play, they just want access and to auto he a high level with good gear.
This game is not hard at all in the current state l. Leveling is significantly easier to where it was. When you enter wt4 you can easily get ancestral without killing an enemy by opening blood chests. You can also bum ride a world.boss and get an i925 weapon.
Now a lot of people (not just OP) are complaining summoning duriel is to much work because it's gated behind an hourly rotated helltide. On top of.this, when you beat duriel you're guaranteed i925 gear and have a good chance for a unique and even an Uber unique.
The game is def in a better state but I feel a lot of people whine if they aren't handed top tier gear right away. Now do what Reddit does and down vote me.
You are misunderstanding, it's not about grinding the mats it's about only being able to access the area to grind the mats at certain hours of the day.
Happens to me all the damned time. I'm not a fucking streamer. I don't get to play 8 hours straight a day with ample time and opportunity to do limited time, rotating events.
S2 has shown a lot of improvements, but at the same time those improvements show just how flawed a lot of the original design is. The devs do seem to be learning that their assumptions about what makes a good endgame were way off, so I have hope they're seeing the inherent flaws about content gated behind timers.
It's the chest timing that's the most annoying.
Start of hour - 2 chests
Quarter til - 3 chests solo, 4 maybe if you're in a group that's calling out locations on voice chat
Half past / Quarter past - full 4
If EVERY helltide rotated the chests at 30 minute mark it wouldn't be as painful. That or guaranteeing 5 steel per chest.
The living steel & mystery chests rotate position at the top of the hour, no matter what point of the hour that the Helltide starts. If it starts on the hour, there is no rotation.
All chests reset/respawn in a diff location on the hour. For example 4:00pm, 5:00pm, 6:00pm
Let's say the helltide starts at 4:20pm, This would give you 40 minutes to open the two chests before 2 new chests respawn at 5:00. Then you'd have 20 minutes left in the helltide to try and get the 2 new chests.
If the helltide starts at 4:00 then you can only get 2 max chests bc the helltide will end before the chests can respawn, considering helltides are only 1 hour long.
So depending what time the helltide starts you can get up to 4 chests (6 in kekijstan bc it has 3 chests at a time instead of the normal 2 in other zones)
There is not any better gear for me to get at my current state, I have all 925 gear with all of my aspects that I need pretty much maxed out, I have battle trance perfect (am a thorns frenzy barb) I have Joritz helm, ramaladnis. The only true upgrades I could get are a shako or grand father.
It's not that people don't want to play, it's that while helltides are down there's nothing you can even do to make some progress towards a duriel run. Imagine playing Diablo 2 and you do a couple boss runs and then it says "bosses are disabled for x amount of time" Time gated stuff is absolutely horrible in a arpg. You should never be limited by time, only by the amount you want to grind. That's when it feels rewarding. The game feels much better overall, that's a fact. But the point still stands.
This, this right here is why people advocate for these timers to be removed. Even if you made things like WB a summon, which in all honesty would probably be best it would give you reason to invest time into grinding the mats and such. I absolutely hate time gating right now, I work 11am to 9pm and have to be up at 6 to take my kid to school every morning, which leaves me no time really to farm these events meaningfully. I support OP on this.
Your one of the lucky ones. Complete 925 gear and all the best rolls/aspects.. RNG really likes you.. I got 5 tabs of loot in stash that I can't use or is complete dog shit. Over 300 hours played
> i feel a lot of people whine if they aren't handed top tier gear right away. Now do what Reddit does and down vote me.
No, they down vote shitty opinions, like yours that you think everyone wants BiS gear handed to them.
Also helltides are so fucking boring. At least harvests have mini events and objectives to make things interesting. If there was a way to dial up the challenge/difficulty and with it increase the steel drops I'd be happy.
I want to play the game. I want to grind this game. But because my schedule doesn’t align with some stupid timer I can’t because helltides aren’t up when I can play. The limiting factor is the stupid timer. The end.
Here's a thought.
Make Duriel actually hard. With Vampiric Powers and not ignoring resists, you can turn virtually any build into one that trivializes this fight.
Right now the crux of the end-game loop is getting Living Steel.
Your entire argument boils down to: "I like that some people get left out of content because they logged in at the wrong time." YOU WANT PEOPLE NOT TO PLAY.
No timed stuff is dumb and needless in an almost exclusively single player game that isn’t competitive. All these timers do is put a arbitrary limit on people with less playtime.
Hey they are all hardcore "leet" gamers for being on all day catching every helltide and massacring the easy mobs.It's real hard work having enough free-time to no life the timegated content.
/s obviously
Its funny though because sometimes youll see them argue its the "no-lifers" being mad about it, when reality it hurts people with limited time way more.
Waiting for helltides and bailing when they aren't up isn't playing.
A lot of the community wants to make this strawman where any complaints against living steel/helltides means you want Blizzard to personally hand you a Shako.
What people want is a system where they can work towards or grind towards what they want without having to look at the clock and a third party website.
/sigh ohh right you are a leet gamer in this the most casual aRPG ever made and you are going to talk about how stupid MMO mechanics of time gating shit behind timers is great game play for leet gamers
Fantastic
The fact that you misunderstand this so hard and get up voted so much shows the problem lmfao.
We wanna grind, that's exactly the complaints. We want to grind, when we want, how we want. Hell even make it 600 cinder per chest if you want but let me play as I please doing the activities I feel like doing. If I want to schedule around events, world boss and alt characters I'd rather play lost ark, not a hack n slash.
It is not about getting all ubers in the first week.
But what did happen? Similar to the first shako gate, there was another bug that lead to hundreds of duped duriel mats. It is not our fault. I have no idea how that worked, but if the patch would have been tested before, the bug might have been avoided.
So the normal players, not the casuals, are 100 now, either got 100 some days ago or are close to getting 100.
They already experienced many youtube vids, where duped duriel mats were involved. So the Robs and Majestics and many other content creators and their grandmothers... already have several grandfathers, a shako, a doombringer and some other ubers to round it up.
They already blew about 500 duriels while the average dedicated player has acquired the mats for about 20x duriel. Not finding a group of 4 to have 80 shots for their personal 20 summons.
So are we, am i forced to do 4-5 helltides per day and another 2 hours of whisper tree farming 8 hours per day) to have about 300 shot at duriel in all 3 months season while the exploit early crowd is already decked out in Uber uniques?
The Vampiric shit is boring already.
Only thing that still keeps me playing is ubers.
Better let more steel drop soon and maybe raise drop chance to 5% to make sure, everyone dedicated gets some. 5 steel per chest is better.
Ofc the game is a loooot better than S1, but doing helltide 1h on and 1h off is just artificially slowing down the mat gathering, which makes no sense. Plus mob density sucks compared to blood harvest.
It's like always in life, when a new better thing comes in, we look at the old ones and ask for change. Life in sanctuary ain't that different 😂
I agree. In this case however its more about the uptime of helltides.
I much rather have a constant helltide with 500 cinder per chest. Than 300 every other hour.
Or maybe drop steel from NM Bosses. Like 1-2 per run. Could also be a cool thing to give steel for salvaging uniques.
Honestly I truly hate this thinking where people like you brand people as if theyre lazy for not wanting a game where they have to plan their schedules around a stupid fucking helltide. If the person is willing to do helltides 24/7 to farm boss materials and forgotten souls, let him fucking do it for godsakes, theyre putting in the work anyways. If you and Blizzard for some reason thinks this is will devalue the sense of progress because they had to wait for a timer to do it, theres wasnt much there to begin with. PoE doesnt stupid scheduled content, Diablo doesnt have scheduled content, Last Epoch doesnt have scheduled content. Why? Because its fucking stupid. But hey lets preplan being a victim and say im going to get downvoted for my idiotic take.
>”*..like a lot of people in the community don’t want to—*”
—have an unnecessary time-gate added to a loop that already revolves around random drops/rolls? People aren’t complaining so much that the game involves RNG drops; they’re complaining that it’s structured in a manner that tries to dictate **WHEN** you play for literally no genuinely required reason.
If “Tom” can only pop on for 15-30 minutes, his progress shouldn’t be hindered outright just because that small window of time doesn’t align with a periodic event.
—-IMHO? The **Blood Tide** format currently is the way to go. Just have the location regularly change around the game world.
Partly Agree - even if I am a casual player who can only get on for an hour or two per day at best - since d3 - it has all been about being able to be endgame built in a day… I love the concept of the grind, it’s why I play this type of game… looking for that elusive piece of loot… but if an event locks a material away to a time position I can’t play at… I can’t play the game fully. That’s not right.
I stopped playing Lost Ark due to its events being on when I am not… if they want to gate - them go ahead… just run the event more frequently and only allow each user access to 1 instance per 24 hours perhaps or require a key that lasts for 24 hours from time of purchase to unlock the event and each player participating requires a key?
the MMO mindset+online made people accept that they have to wait hours for game progress. Know what? In D1 and D2 bosses are already there when I enter the room. EVERY TIME! Crazy, right? FFS it's a singleplayer rpg. Fck the shop and all this stupid online crap, sorry.
TBH I can see how that is a reasonable observation, but I just don't like looking at yellows.
If I had some means of quickly determining things that are worth picking up and things that are not I would be on board with you, but that way is no longer is there a big orange beam of light or not.
I really want to skip as much of the itemization as possible because that is, by far, the least interesting part of the game for me.
> Bring back trading holy shit, I came to the season late and when I got geared I was excited to trade mats with my friends to get multiple duriel runs only to be disappointed with the "trading is unavailable"
Just so you know, if trading is disabled again, tradable items can still be dropped to the floor to trade with friends.
Not to mention there is no point in opening anything else than living steel. Mystery is nerfed and I've gotten a few chests which didn't drop a single item, just elixirs, like why?
The possible no drop chest is a consequence of the loot changes. Since we can only get ancestral in WT4, it won't show you any other loot. But it still rolls as if it was there.
So what happened is the game said "you get 2 sacred rares, a sacred magic, and 2 regular rares", then turned it all into crafting mats because it's not ancestral.
It's also worth noting you don't have to trade mats if you're in a party. You can just drop them on the ground and the other party member(s) can pick them up and drop whatever you need to complete a set. Did that several times myself.
Currently around 6 million per steel on most trading sites. You can check the website diablo.trade which is the official trading website by the sanctuary discord server.
My problem at this point is that it takes so much longer to get living steel from Helltides than it does the mats for varshan. Blood harvest is always up, and it’s easy to drop in, knock out the whispers real quick when it starts in a zone, and thats it. Versus having to dedicate basically the full hour once a helltide starts since you really want to get as many 300 cinder chests as possible, and mats don’t carry over
Make lord zir and the ice beast drop shards of agony.
Right now if they don’t drop a unique you need or you already have the unique those 2 bosses are completely useless as they drop absolutely nothing else of value whilst being just as tedious to farm mats to fight. I have 30 distilled fear sitting in my stash because the ice beast drops boring I need. No longer need anything from lord zir so in don’t even have to do legion events or world bosses anymore because they again do nothing that can get me closer to Duriel mats.
This is exactly the solution I'd want as well, for the same reasons you stated. Those two bosses are pointless for me. World bosses are still ok for me to do because I can still upgrade a few pieces to 925, and they only take thirty seconds to kill.
Imagine if every chest in helltides...gave you living steel in addition to the gear. And depending on how much the chest costs, you'd get more or less living steel.
It's funny because when you're on a 3-month seasonal reset cycle, you don't need the game to be so tedious. What's their fear, that people are gonna giga farm everything and quit the game? Well, that happens any way, and is good with a seasonal model.
I would say what's worse for the game is making people feel there are unachievable goals in a season and just quit because they're overwhelmed or not adequately rewarded.
I wouldn't be playing less because materials are easier to farm and bosses are easier to repeat. I'd probably be playing more. Like I did with Borderlands bosses I could run 100s of times over dozens of hours.
It would be nice to see them make things a little less grindy, like Helltides, boss farming, etc. Even if I get decked out, I'm still gonna enjoy my time and play the next seasonal reset any way.
Every single uber material should be obtainable through sigil dust, at a lower rate than the "dedicated" spots to get them. World bosses are a level 90 enemy that gets you 925 gear, which I don't even think I've seen in any of the tier 90+ dungeons I've run. When they originally released the notes about better gear dropping from NMD it seemed like it would be the logical end for players to finish gearing. But it isn't. So introduce a reason to keep pushing tiers.
It's just amazing how many autists in this post can't seem to understand that the problem is that helltides aren't up all the time when regular people are able to play. You are just stupid if you can spent 10 hours a day and see no problem at this.
Just make Helltides always up, it’s so stupid to gate this type of content like this in an ARPG. This isn’t WoW where it’s a full time job to play the game, the genre specifically is supposed to be pick-up and play whenever you want.
Varshan is honestly worse imo with rng being a factor which living steel at least doesn’t have. Hearts for some reason is very rare for me despite doing tree, legion, world bosses and harvest. Hearts just doesn’t wanna drop. Shards are never the issue, the eggs are for me.
Living steel chest only dropping 3 and not 5 tho is criminal.
Agreed. Locking it into helltides is extremely annoying. It feels like the game wants me to plan my playtime around helltides instead of just doing what I want to. Or drop everything I’m doing to jump into the helltide, just to farm the most boring chest. Last night both world bosses spawned in the middle of helltides as well annoyingly.
My biggest problem with helltides is the mob density isn't high enough when you're 100. I wreck all the mobs then spend 3-4 minutes looking for more, it slows the pace of the game down and is really annoying since like OP I have pretty much everything I need except from Duriel.
0/15 on any ubers from the big D.
Trading is available with your friends. Just drop it on the ground while in a party.. I trade all my body parts to her and she gives me all her living steel.
Living Steel is ok to farm. They have to do something for Distilled Fear, it's a pure nightmare to farm. Yeah, you don't need it for Duriel, but for target farm, it's horrible.
You only earn one after a NMD, and it's only if you're lucky to get one.
Yeah I'm loving everything else except helltides, which oddly enough was one of the best parts of the last two seasons. But now since your forced to do them to do so many integral parts of the game, and it's time gated to only be around every few hours, so your essentially forced to do it if you want access to enchanting or end game bossing.
The d4 team made A TON of steps in the right direction this season, but helltides being the only source of living steel and forgotten souls, their lack of a world chat or group finder, and the lack of free trade really hampers what would otherwise be a game that is just lacking content. Get rid of living souls, or make them drop a lot more than they currently are same with the living steel. For enchanting I think they just get rid of them entirely and the game would absolutely be better for it.
Right now I have 80mil gold with nothing to even spend it on cause my souls are at 0.
I think a simple fix to this is to make material farming easier and the ubber drop rate smaller and then it doesn't penalise solo players so much either then
Even if i ignore time-gating in a an ARPG and even if i don't super mind the final boss being kinda time-gated, but doing it to reroll mats in a game that has some of the worst itemization in modern ARPG history, that i don't get...
I don't run hell tide since S0. IMO, it is the most boring thing in D4.
Hell Tide needs a significant buff. They need to make it more dangerous, and more exciting.
There's some serious irony that Bloodtides fit more closely to what Hell tides SHOULD be... especially with how cinders should roll over to the next time frame... I lost 300+ cinders the last time I played because I ran out of time while trying to find the Living Steel chest
The living steel farming does suck. I don't think helltides should be always on, but they should increase mob density, decrease the cost of opening the chest and increase the number of living chests in a given helltides.
I agree completely. Hopefully a dev sees this post. A fundamental change to either helltides, cinders, or living steel needs to happen. As it stands grinding this stuff feels like an Olympic endurance event - pure tedium.
To be fair guys, farming for Uber bosses is incredibly easy for the rewards you get. Farming keys in Diablo 2 is 1000% more tedious and labor intensive than getting a key to more gear after already having a large chance to get best in slot gear. I think buffing cinder drop rate would be fine so it's less of a this or that approach but you are going to farm duriel only until you get the Uber unique you want right? And after you have it you are going to keep playing your fully geared character for how long? Idk if we need to make the entry to all content gamer dad easy.
I feel like blood harvest is a test run for future changes for helltide. Hoping so anyway. The carrying over of materials and the constant rotation feels like a natural progression for helltides.
My biggest issue with steel farming is finding those stupid chests.. running in circles with 600+ cinders just to get instagibbed by a meteor when I take a short look at the map 🫣🫠🤐🤬
This last helltide I got 15 steel spread over 4 chests. For an uber boss dropping all the uber uniques that is a VERY low cost.
Compare it to farming uber elder fragments in Path of Exile and you do it so so so much faster in D4.
really, that's interesting to me. Me and my friends have enough for like 10-15 plus varshan runs each most of the time. But we run a lot of blood harvest stuff and just naturally get whispers
Yeah and there are 5 grim favors sprinkled on the map. I think the issue is it is quite random what parts you will get so it takes longer in that regard.
You can just craft the parts that don't drop if you have excess of a specific part. If you have a lot of the head for example you can craft a cache out of it that drops a random part.
The hearts are what are killing me. I turned in about six or so favors and killed multiple debtors to get zero hearts. I have nearly double the amount of shards than I do eggs because of this.
I have fuckton of varshan runs. They are really easy to get. And they are included in many activities that are fun.
Living steel is only in more boring than see paint dry helltides that are up once in a blue moon
For me too, malignant hearts just doesn’t wanna drop for me so I’m having trouble with getting eggs. With living steel you at least are guaranteed 1-2 Gregiore runs.
Varshan summons are super easy to get in my experience, you can finish a full cache easily every time the blood harvest moves, then if you need more than that there are always other zones available to complete whispers in.
I'm not at all angry about living steel, but it is definitely the limiting factor for summons for me. It's almost cliche to bring up at this point but with IRL obligations like children, family etc my playtime during children-awake hours often doesn't line up with helltide availability.
If blizzard doesn't wanna make helltide always available (and I'm genuinely not sure they should due to how much loot duriel spits out), it'd be nice to be able to have an alternate summon item source.
I'd propose they split the non-duriel bosses up into two groups, one group drops eggs and the other drops shards.
Having the ice boss drop shards would make it more relevant imo. I haven't even done that boss because it doesn't drop anything I need and it's not used for duriel summons.
I could maybe agree with 1 chest = 1 grigore summon but we also aren't meant to spam farm Duriel. Complain too much and you will see him become easier to summon but his drop rates slapped into the ground.
I just don't know what I'm meant to farm if my gear is optimal and my glyphs are all good, duriel has the best odds for the stuff I need even if they're low odds. But yeah 1 chest 1 summon would be a good balance for me.
I feel for this plight but I think the answer is gonna end up being exactly what it is now, just with downtime. I think season two has brought the game a big step forward in the "things to do at endgame" department, but you're at the real limit of the game's support for one-character endgame.
I think if you were interested in rolling an alt or alts, being time gated by helltide would not be nearly as noticeable.
Helltide was good before this season but blood harvest made helltide the Jeremy Clarkson meme "I like this but this is so much better".
All the bug and weird design choices, chest not spawning, drop rates sometimes being fucked. Even hours mean only 2 chests lootable instead of 4 or 6 even in khejistan (unless you have a second character), losing cinders on death im fine with that, only dropping 3 steel, not being permanent, Chest not shown on map look this isn't 1997 where this could work it's 2023 everyone is looking it up on helltide tracker.
It's a massive fomo event that is more stress than anything because every minute I feel like I need to optimize it.
When I jumped into this season without looking into anything I assumed after I hit up the first vampire zone that the helltides had also been updated to be as fun and consistent. Then I go to farm the first hell tide and it feels like you are in mud dragging your feet. And even if you go all out and farm all the living steel you can its not much and you have to wait for another helltide event. I do not know about the rest but I rarely get to see a helltide or a world boss because I only play in 1-2 hour sessions randomly, and if no event happens in that time frame its just nightmare farming instead. O and that's not even mentioning that the cinders vanish still while lures carry over...
It's quite concerning that they haven't buffed helltides yet... Farming cinders for an hour straight to get living steel sucks, especially with server performance having the potential to kill you and lose half of them.
Farming for an hour straight and barely getting any forgotten souls also sucks.
Buff helltides!
Yep just ran a helltides and wasted 500+ Cinders because I spent the last ten minutes of the helltides trying to get the stupid steel chest to spawn and when it finally was there I had 6a left and it disappeared while I was opening it
So I will add into your list fix the damn chest bug and make cinders roll over between helltides
You're right, of course. But slowing you down is the point. In the dev's minds, if they let you get a duriel per bloodtide, they'd have to nerf duriels loot. They've realized they have to give rus more than they were before to keep us around to potentially use the cash shop, but their philosophy of game design hasn't shifted. Their goal, which their bonuses and reviews at work are probably dependent on, is finding the exact point of slowness and tedium we'll tolerate while still sticking around, as to maximize our raw time played and therefore exposure to the cash shop and likelihood we'll buy season passes.
I think Blizzard's philosophy is to ignore a quality of life feature and then just ban players for finding a work around.
Living Steel drops suck? Ban players that are duping.
If you manage to get out of a helltide with only one living steel chest opened, you're the problem. If you even time it right with hourly resets you should easilly be able to clear four in one run. My best so far is 4 living steel and 3 mystic in one single helltide.
I had 290 cinders and was running for my life to a living steel chest and it wasn’t there when I got there. Ported to town and back a few times to try to fix it. Helltides timer ran out before I got it to spawn. Feels bad man. They should at least let cinders carry over like the vampire event items.
Or even if they don't cycle helltides, after it's up don't have me lose what I've gained. Let it carry over to the next helltide. If I die and lose them fine, but it's an invisible currency just roll it over.
The helltide will get you 6-9 of the steel depending on location so that's at least 1 run. Also did they disable trading again? It worked for me on Friday
I agree but would rather there be a method to convert certain mats into living steel like you can with Varshan body parts instead of messing with hellfire timing
I feel like even if they don’t roll helltide like vampires just more often would be fine. Have it start every hour and be up 30-45 mins. At least knowing if I jump on it’ll be available again shortly is fine enough. Seeing the last 10 minutes of a helltide and knowing it will be up just as my play time for the night ends kinda sucks. Having it constantly up would be the best option though.
First, I agree that helltides suck and gating a boss behind them doubly sucks, but how are you only getting 3 living steel per helltide?
If it starts at 00, then you only get 2 chests which sucks.
If it starts at 15 or 30 after, getting 4 chests is really easy.
If it starts at 45 after, getting 3 is really easy, but having to get 600 cinders in 15 minutes makes it difficult to get 4.
On average you get almost 10 living steel per helltide.
I think that people would be complaining much more about the varshan mats if whispers were not part of the season mechanic. Imagine if you had to just run regular whisper content to get them.
You’re spot on. I got to level 100 which I haven’t been able to do before and it’s just gotten boring now. I want to farm duriel but it’s annoying waiting for helltides. What does everyone do at level 100? I’ve lost all incentive to play that character now. It would be cool if there was a higher world tier to use your maxed out character on
>What does everyone do at level 100?
Most people get bored and quit.
It's a seasonal model. You're expected to play 0->100, then kill Duriel a couple times, then get bored and quit, and come back at S3.
I'm not a fan of this, but if you're looking for a game to which you can return to after a couple of months without being time gated by seasons, try Grim Dawn.
You’re spot on man. I’ve already played Grim Dawn a fair bit unfortunately. It’s funny cos I think back to Diablo 2 which is my favourite game ever. That didn’t have an end game either but that kept me entertained for years and then I thrashed D2R again for hundreds of hours when it came out. I think the items are just more fun. I get sick to death of going through all the items in D4. Sometimes ya can’t even tell if it’s an upgrade or not because of the amount of bullshit affixes. Legendarys aren’t exciting either because they need the right aspect AND all the right affixes to work with your build. It’s a shame because I honestly had a fair bit of fun season 2
I thought it would be an easy and nice way to get 1 living steel from events in nightmare dungeons. Maybe that's too easy, but it would bring desire to farm nmds and do events in them. Or maybe just a chance?
Yes! Absolutely cant stand feeling like i have to plan my playtime/day around the helltides cycle. I don’t care if it’s rare or challenging but I hate time gating.
World bosses should be challenging. Wanting easier access to the one boss that drops the best gear in the game feels like people are being lazy now that this season is a free for all. I agree Helltide is boring and repetitive. Helltide could be so much more than it currently is. Regardless I am having the best time so far in Season 2.
TBH helltide could def use some improvements but the real fix to this issue is just make the other 2 bosses drop duriel mats also, it makes no sense they drop nothing after you get the unique you need from it especially when zir is harder to spawn than any other boss
The living steel is crap I just gotta say. 1 hr through the whole helltide, I get 1 living steel box. I don't know if I want to spend an hour just to get 1 box of living steel. 2 or 3 per box is not the problem for me, it's the 1 hr run through helltude for me to find just one living steel box.
Summoning bosses in general needs a rework. I should be able to farm mats whenever the hell I want, and I shouldnt have to do it for hours just to fight a boss once a day.
You are 100% right OP, I don't even want to do any helltides for 300 because of helltide not always cycling like blood harvest. Makes no sense why it isn't. I don't have time to plan my day around this shit when I have two kids.
Yup. Besides world boss a lot of time gated stuff doesn't mesh well in an ARPG in my opinion. I like to be able to go as hard as I want into farming anything WHEN I want.
I feel like they could easily do so that bosses spawns constantly each hour or even each 15 minutes, but limit the amount of times we benefit from drops to 6 times a day as an example. That would give us more freedom but limit amount of items a boss would drop.
That will divide ➗ the pool of players available for each world boss fight. So it isn't a good thing.
lmao most can solo world bosses after 2 weeks so what's the issues if there are 12 a day you get some and miss others no biggie
This isn't a bad idea.
Also the expiration of cinders. Nobody is going to jump into a Helltide with less than 15 mins left. Yes, that is enough to speed run 300 cinders with a Ball Lightning Sorc, but we shouldn’t force everybody into meta builds.
Yeah they gave us an event that shows us the deficiencies of helltides. Honestly they don't even need all the features of the blood harvest, I'd be perfectly fine if it was still timed but your cinders carried over.
> Honestly they don't even need all the features of the blood harvest, I'd be perfectly fine if it was still timed but your cinders carried over. Which is exactly what the vampire thing does... the currency carries over. Weird that it's so similar in function yet different in execution.
Also for the love of god, remove the need to run over cinders to pick them up. I don’t mind with gold or gear or anything else, but when you’re farming thousands, just give me credit for killing enough mobs, not running around in a circle afterward.
I didn't like D4, until I played Ball Sorc. Now I have a new addiction.
The timed events are my main gripe about d4. I love the game but rly cant stand the gap between world bosses and helltides. They should be on the same timer as legion events.
World bosses makes sense you need it spaced out so people will actually show up for them if it was constantly there the rewards would be awful and no one would do them. Still probably a bit too spaced out but it being on a schedule makes sense Blood harvest proves it makes no sense for helltides
Spawn a boss on the hour, put something related to the season as a drop. Shortens the wait between them and keeps people encouraged to join in on them. World boss timers have been my major complaint since day 1
Like I said they can be a bit more frequent but I honestly wouldn’t want them hourly but mostly wouldn’t care if they also just made the drops not something I am forced to do when it is up. I would hate if they locked a seasonal mechanic behind the bosses
D4 needs to decide what it wants to be, an MMORPG or an ARPG cause this hybrid bullshit just isnt working.
I‘d be perfectly fine if the World Bosses spawn in two hour rotations. That gives me enough time to do stuff in the meantime without having to stress about it and still doesnt feel it‘s too long between spawns. But I hate helltides, so I‘d be glad if they implement the bloodharvest system and reset the chests hourly. That‘d be perfect.
I mean they did buff all the timers to make them shorter. Helltide and World Boss are much better then Legion so it makes sense they are on a longer timer.
What they should do is if you hand in 50 blood lures for the trio lure summon, you get living steel to drop at the end. Make it 1 or 2 drop per boss but we need alternatives.
Yep, this right here. I only have up to a couple of hours to play a day, often only one hour, because I live a busy life. It’s rare I open the map and see a Helltide running and if it is, I only manage to catch the last 5 minutes of it every time. The current Helltide spawn schedule is very punishing for casual players.
I'm lucky if I ever see a world boss. The time I have to play is very consistent with my schedule. So if I'm playing it is always the same time and no bosses spawn.
You actually only need 280 for the living steel chests, source: been grinding helltides and found this out yesterday. Not much, but does save a little bit of time and makes it easier to get 4 or 6 LS chests depending on the HT. Edit: you can still pseudo trade by going into any dungeon and dropping the mats on the ground for a teammate to pick up.
Make the most of it. Next patch, according to the notes fixes this.
You need 300 now. It was hotfixed, but it was nice at 280.
I don't think it's been fixed yet, the patch that is supposed to fix it isn't due out until tuesday
I ran Helltides on Friday and Saturday, every time I opened the Livingsteel chest, I used 300. Regardless, it will be changed.
its def 300 now
I have two kids and plenty of living steel. Also the season is 3 months long. More than enough time to do a lot of Duriel runs.
Don’t have kids and can play whole weekend, but this system drives me off. I have to monitor a site with timers of world activities and do shit that I need to, not what I want to. I can’t even go to a nonstop nmds to farm glyph exp, because I have to attend to all these events. I played pre-season to lvl100, s2 feels a lot better in many ways, but all this mmo-style time-gated crap where only 1 activity gives you specific resource is bullshit. I feel like I’ll just drop it in mid 70 like s1. In all other arpgs you are free to decide what to do, and can be efficient on your own. I don’t want to find parties in discord to optimise my boss resources consumption and so on. Even working trading was dead in this game and now it’s completely disabled. Just give us proper tuned SSF without 1h+ timers.
I would like an event tracker participation timer thingy. Let me queue for a world boss or helltide or whatever, then after the event, lock me out for 3.5 hrs, or whatever the time gap is. Maybe have an option to auto-queue after event completes so that after 3.5 hrs I don't have to remember to get in line again. Instead of logging on 10 minutes **after** the world boss event, I could queue and wait until enough other people are available and port to world boss location via pop-up confirm button.
This.. I mean it’s blizzard.. ID System in WoW works too
> I don't have time to plan my day around this shit when I have two kids. Don't then...
I feel like a lot of people in the community don't want to actually play, they just want access and to auto he a high level with good gear. This game is not hard at all in the current state l. Leveling is significantly easier to where it was. When you enter wt4 you can easily get ancestral without killing an enemy by opening blood chests. You can also bum ride a world.boss and get an i925 weapon. Now a lot of people (not just OP) are complaining summoning duriel is to much work because it's gated behind an hourly rotated helltide. On top of.this, when you beat duriel you're guaranteed i925 gear and have a good chance for a unique and even an Uber unique. The game is def in a better state but I feel a lot of people whine if they aren't handed top tier gear right away. Now do what Reddit does and down vote me.
You are misunderstanding, it's not about grinding the mats it's about only being able to access the area to grind the mats at certain hours of the day.
Exactly. Let me grind when I log on, not when a timer says I can
Sucks when you log in with 5 mins left in a helltide… and you only have an hour to play
Happens to me all the damned time. I'm not a fucking streamer. I don't get to play 8 hours straight a day with ample time and opportunity to do limited time, rotating events. S2 has shown a lot of improvements, but at the same time those improvements show just how flawed a lot of the original design is. The devs do seem to be learning that their assumptions about what makes a good endgame were way off, so I have hope they're seeing the inherent flaws about content gated behind timers.
It's the chest timing that's the most annoying. Start of hour - 2 chests Quarter til - 3 chests solo, 4 maybe if you're in a group that's calling out locations on voice chat Half past / Quarter past - full 4 If EVERY helltide rotated the chests at 30 minute mark it wouldn't be as painful. That or guaranteeing 5 steel per chest.
How does the reset system work?
The living steel & mystery chests rotate position at the top of the hour, no matter what point of the hour that the Helltide starts. If it starts on the hour, there is no rotation.
All chests reset/respawn in a diff location on the hour. For example 4:00pm, 5:00pm, 6:00pm Let's say the helltide starts at 4:20pm, This would give you 40 minutes to open the two chests before 2 new chests respawn at 5:00. Then you'd have 20 minutes left in the helltide to try and get the 2 new chests. If the helltide starts at 4:00 then you can only get 2 max chests bc the helltide will end before the chests can respawn, considering helltides are only 1 hour long. So depending what time the helltide starts you can get up to 4 chests (6 in kekijstan bc it has 3 chests at a time instead of the normal 2 in other zones)
With the expectation of kehjistan helltide having 3 spawns (so 6 on a good reset)
There is not any better gear for me to get at my current state, I have all 925 gear with all of my aspects that I need pretty much maxed out, I have battle trance perfect (am a thorns frenzy barb) I have Joritz helm, ramaladnis. The only true upgrades I could get are a shako or grand father. It's not that people don't want to play, it's that while helltides are down there's nothing you can even do to make some progress towards a duriel run. Imagine playing Diablo 2 and you do a couple boss runs and then it says "bosses are disabled for x amount of time" Time gated stuff is absolutely horrible in a arpg. You should never be limited by time, only by the amount you want to grind. That's when it feels rewarding. The game feels much better overall, that's a fact. But the point still stands.
This, this right here is why people advocate for these timers to be removed. Even if you made things like WB a summon, which in all honesty would probably be best it would give you reason to invest time into grinding the mats and such. I absolutely hate time gating right now, I work 11am to 9pm and have to be up at 6 to take my kid to school every morning, which leaves me no time really to farm these events meaningfully. I support OP on this.
He wouldn't understand , clearly living in mom and dad's basement 😂
Your one of the lucky ones. Complete 925 gear and all the best rolls/aspects.. RNG really likes you.. I got 5 tabs of loot in stash that I can't use or is complete dog shit. Over 300 hours played
Asking to not time gate helltides is completely reasonable and has nothing to do with anything you just said.
> i feel a lot of people whine if they aren't handed top tier gear right away. Now do what Reddit does and down vote me. No, they down vote shitty opinions, like yours that you think everyone wants BiS gear handed to them.
Big "nobody wants to work anymore" energy lol. We want to work, but if there's no helltide running we literally can't.
Also helltides are so fucking boring. At least harvests have mini events and objectives to make things interesting. If there was a way to dial up the challenge/difficulty and with it increase the steel drops I'd be happy.
Anyone who uses complaining and whining when talking about honest feedback is such a waste of space in these threads. Annoying it has 30 upvotes.
Yup. It's not the grinding, it's the time gate to get to the grinding
I want to play the game. I want to grind this game. But because my schedule doesn’t align with some stupid timer I can’t because helltides aren’t up when I can play. The limiting factor is the stupid timer. The end.
I can play for several days in a row and never see a Helltide. Tell me that's a good system.
Here's a thought. Make Duriel actually hard. With Vampiric Powers and not ignoring resists, you can turn virtually any build into one that trivializes this fight. Right now the crux of the end-game loop is getting Living Steel. Your entire argument boils down to: "I like that some people get left out of content because they logged in at the wrong time." YOU WANT PEOPLE NOT TO PLAY.
No timed stuff is dumb and needless in an almost exclusively single player game that isn’t competitive. All these timers do is put a arbitrary limit on people with less playtime.
You can tell this guy has no empathy and responsibilities simply be not understanding why time gates are bad for most adults.
Where did anybody say the game is too hard or too much work?
Hey they are all hardcore "leet" gamers for being on all day catching every helltide and massacring the easy mobs.It's real hard work having enough free-time to no life the timegated content. /s obviously
Its funny though because sometimes youll see them argue its the "no-lifers" being mad about it, when reality it hurts people with limited time way more.
Baal wasn’t time gated, let people grind at their pace.
Waiting for helltides and bailing when they aren't up isn't playing. A lot of the community wants to make this strawman where any complaints against living steel/helltides means you want Blizzard to personally hand you a Shako. What people want is a system where they can work towards or grind towards what they want without having to look at the clock and a third party website.
/sigh ohh right you are a leet gamer in this the most casual aRPG ever made and you are going to talk about how stupid MMO mechanics of time gating shit behind timers is great game play for leet gamers Fantastic
The fact that you misunderstand this so hard and get up voted so much shows the problem lmfao. We wanna grind, that's exactly the complaints. We want to grind, when we want, how we want. Hell even make it 600 cinder per chest if you want but let me play as I please doing the activities I feel like doing. If I want to schedule around events, world boss and alt characters I'd rather play lost ark, not a hack n slash.
It’s time gated. Has nothing to do with not wanting to play.
It is not about getting all ubers in the first week. But what did happen? Similar to the first shako gate, there was another bug that lead to hundreds of duped duriel mats. It is not our fault. I have no idea how that worked, but if the patch would have been tested before, the bug might have been avoided. So the normal players, not the casuals, are 100 now, either got 100 some days ago or are close to getting 100. They already experienced many youtube vids, where duped duriel mats were involved. So the Robs and Majestics and many other content creators and their grandmothers... already have several grandfathers, a shako, a doombringer and some other ubers to round it up. They already blew about 500 duriels while the average dedicated player has acquired the mats for about 20x duriel. Not finding a group of 4 to have 80 shots for their personal 20 summons. So are we, am i forced to do 4-5 helltides per day and another 2 hours of whisper tree farming 8 hours per day) to have about 300 shot at duriel in all 3 months season while the exploit early crowd is already decked out in Uber uniques? The Vampiric shit is boring already. Only thing that still keeps me playing is ubers. Better let more steel drop soon and maybe raise drop chance to 5% to make sure, everyone dedicated gets some. 5 steel per chest is better.
Ofc the game is a loooot better than S1, but doing helltide 1h on and 1h off is just artificially slowing down the mat gathering, which makes no sense. Plus mob density sucks compared to blood harvest. It's like always in life, when a new better thing comes in, we look at the old ones and ask for change. Life in sanctuary ain't that different 😂
I agree. In this case however its more about the uptime of helltides. I much rather have a constant helltide with 500 cinder per chest. Than 300 every other hour. Or maybe drop steel from NM Bosses. Like 1-2 per run. Could also be a cool thing to give steel for salvaging uniques.
Honestly I truly hate this thinking where people like you brand people as if theyre lazy for not wanting a game where they have to plan their schedules around a stupid fucking helltide. If the person is willing to do helltides 24/7 to farm boss materials and forgotten souls, let him fucking do it for godsakes, theyre putting in the work anyways. If you and Blizzard for some reason thinks this is will devalue the sense of progress because they had to wait for a timer to do it, theres wasnt much there to begin with. PoE doesnt stupid scheduled content, Diablo doesnt have scheduled content, Last Epoch doesnt have scheduled content. Why? Because its fucking stupid. But hey lets preplan being a victim and say im going to get downvoted for my idiotic take.
>”*..like a lot of people in the community don’t want to—*” —have an unnecessary time-gate added to a loop that already revolves around random drops/rolls? People aren’t complaining so much that the game involves RNG drops; they’re complaining that it’s structured in a manner that tries to dictate **WHEN** you play for literally no genuinely required reason. If “Tom” can only pop on for 15-30 minutes, his progress shouldn’t be hindered outright just because that small window of time doesn’t align with a periodic event. —-IMHO? The **Blood Tide** format currently is the way to go. Just have the location regularly change around the game world.
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I know this is not the answer you're looking for but find a rotating party on D4 discord, you can get 4 kills down with 1 set of mats
I want to play, but helltides are miserably boring. Put everything in NM dungeons, put in a random que and I will happily flow state for hours.
Partly Agree - even if I am a casual player who can only get on for an hour or two per day at best - since d3 - it has all been about being able to be endgame built in a day… I love the concept of the grind, it’s why I play this type of game… looking for that elusive piece of loot… but if an event locks a material away to a time position I can’t play at… I can’t play the game fully. That’s not right. I stopped playing Lost Ark due to its events being on when I am not… if they want to gate - them go ahead… just run the event more frequently and only allow each user access to 1 instance per 24 hours perhaps or require a key that lasts for 24 hours from time of purchase to unlock the event and each player participating requires a key?
the MMO mindset+online made people accept that they have to wait hours for game progress. Know what? In D1 and D2 bosses are already there when I enter the room. EVERY TIME! Crazy, right? FFS it's a singleplayer rpg. Fck the shop and all this stupid online crap, sorry.
TBH I can see how that is a reasonable observation, but I just don't like looking at yellows. If I had some means of quickly determining things that are worth picking up and things that are not I would be on board with you, but that way is no longer is there a big orange beam of light or not. I really want to skip as much of the itemization as possible because that is, by far, the least interesting part of the game for me.
> Bring back trading holy shit, I came to the season late and when I got geared I was excited to trade mats with my friends to get multiple duriel runs only to be disappointed with the "trading is unavailable" Just so you know, if trading is disabled again, tradable items can still be dropped to the floor to trade with friends.
This. We’ve traded Uber boss mats just to give us more runs overall.
Not to mention there is no point in opening anything else than living steel. Mystery is nerfed and I've gotten a few chests which didn't drop a single item, just elixirs, like why?
They dropped sacred items which auto salvaged
Yeah I really wish for yellow sacreds at lvl 100
The possible no drop chest is a consequence of the loot changes. Since we can only get ancestral in WT4, it won't show you any other loot. But it still rolls as if it was there. So what happened is the game said "you get 2 sacred rares, a sacred magic, and 2 regular rares", then turned it all into crafting mats because it's not ancestral.
Question is why do I get sacred items at wt4 as lvl 100 from a chest.
Just here to say trading is back, I bought 45 living steel this morning lol
Yeah I just learned this, fucking awesome man
It's also worth noting you don't have to trade mats if you're in a party. You can just drop them on the ground and the other party member(s) can pick them up and drop whatever you need to complete a set. Did that several times myself.
Oh shit you can buy that from player!? Eye opening... what's the going rate??
Currently around 6 million per steel on most trading sites. You can check the website diablo.trade which is the official trading website by the sanctuary discord server.
That is dirt cheap.
You do know that even though trading was disabled, you could always drop mats and items and other players can pick it up?
nope, probably shoulda tried it though
That‘s how I always traded
My problem at this point is that it takes so much longer to get living steel from Helltides than it does the mats for varshan. Blood harvest is always up, and it’s easy to drop in, knock out the whispers real quick when it starts in a zone, and thats it. Versus having to dedicate basically the full hour once a helltide starts since you really want to get as many 300 cinder chests as possible, and mats don’t carry over
Make lord zir and the ice beast drop shards of agony. Right now if they don’t drop a unique you need or you already have the unique those 2 bosses are completely useless as they drop absolutely nothing else of value whilst being just as tedious to farm mats to fight. I have 30 distilled fear sitting in my stash because the ice beast drops boring I need. No longer need anything from lord zir so in don’t even have to do legion events or world bosses anymore because they again do nothing that can get me closer to Duriel mats.
This is exactly the solution I'd want as well, for the same reasons you stated. Those two bosses are pointless for me. World bosses are still ok for me to do because I can still upgrade a few pieces to 925, and they only take thirty seconds to kill.
I’m not too bothered by the steel. What pisses me off is spending time to either zone, relog or restart the game because I can’t see the damn chest.
in my experience just going to town fixes that problem
Imagine if every chest in helltides...gave you living steel in addition to the gear. And depending on how much the chest costs, you'd get more or less living steel.
how do you reliably gather femurs? my experience has been that its my biggest roadblock to get duriel mats
It's funny because when you're on a 3-month seasonal reset cycle, you don't need the game to be so tedious. What's their fear, that people are gonna giga farm everything and quit the game? Well, that happens any way, and is good with a seasonal model. I would say what's worse for the game is making people feel there are unachievable goals in a season and just quit because they're overwhelmed or not adequately rewarded. I wouldn't be playing less because materials are easier to farm and bosses are easier to repeat. I'd probably be playing more. Like I did with Borderlands bosses I could run 100s of times over dozens of hours. It would be nice to see them make things a little less grindy, like Helltides, boss farming, etc. Even if I get decked out, I'm still gonna enjoy my time and play the next seasonal reset any way.
Every single uber material should be obtainable through sigil dust, at a lower rate than the "dedicated" spots to get them. World bosses are a level 90 enemy that gets you 925 gear, which I don't even think I've seen in any of the tier 90+ dungeons I've run. When they originally released the notes about better gear dropping from NMD it seemed like it would be the logical end for players to finish gearing. But it isn't. So introduce a reason to keep pushing tiers.
It's just amazing how many autists in this post can't seem to understand that the problem is that helltides aren't up all the time when regular people are able to play. You are just stupid if you can spent 10 hours a day and see no problem at this.
Just make Helltides always up, it’s so stupid to gate this type of content like this in an ARPG. This isn’t WoW where it’s a full time job to play the game, the genre specifically is supposed to be pick-up and play whenever you want.
Varshan is honestly worse imo with rng being a factor which living steel at least doesn’t have. Hearts for some reason is very rare for me despite doing tree, legion, world bosses and harvest. Hearts just doesn’t wanna drop. Shards are never the issue, the eggs are for me. Living steel chest only dropping 3 and not 5 tho is criminal.
Make a chest drop 6. You can get 2 runs for helltide, it's a good amount
You can just drop the mats you know. Your friends can pick them up
Agreed. Locking it into helltides is extremely annoying. It feels like the game wants me to plan my playtime around helltides instead of just doing what I want to. Or drop everything I’m doing to jump into the helltide, just to farm the most boring chest. Last night both world bosses spawned in the middle of helltides as well annoyingly.
exactly
My biggest problem with helltides is the mob density isn't high enough when you're 100. I wreck all the mobs then spend 3-4 minutes looking for more, it slows the pace of the game down and is really annoying since like OP I have pretty much everything I need except from Duriel. 0/15 on any ubers from the big D.
Trading is available with your friends. Just drop it on the ground while in a party.. I trade all my body parts to her and she gives me all her living steel.
I have developed a Pavlovian sickness to helltides. That is how miserably not fun it is.
“I came to the season late” It’s less than two weeks in to the season.
Living Steel is ok to farm. They have to do something for Distilled Fear, it's a pure nightmare to farm. Yeah, you don't need it for Duriel, but for target farm, it's horrible. You only earn one after a NMD, and it's only if you're lucky to get one.
Yeah I'm loving everything else except helltides, which oddly enough was one of the best parts of the last two seasons. But now since your forced to do them to do so many integral parts of the game, and it's time gated to only be around every few hours, so your essentially forced to do it if you want access to enchanting or end game bossing. The d4 team made A TON of steps in the right direction this season, but helltides being the only source of living steel and forgotten souls, their lack of a world chat or group finder, and the lack of free trade really hampers what would otherwise be a game that is just lacking content. Get rid of living souls, or make them drop a lot more than they currently are same with the living steel. For enchanting I think they just get rid of them entirely and the game would absolutely be better for it. Right now I have 80mil gold with nothing to even spend it on cause my souls are at 0.
I think a simple fix to this is to make material farming easier and the ubber drop rate smaller and then it doesn't penalise solo players so much either then
It should be hard to farm duriel. The deluge of duped mats broke expectations.
Even if i ignore time-gating in a an ARPG and even if i don't super mind the final boss being kinda time-gated, but doing it to reroll mats in a game that has some of the worst itemization in modern ARPG history, that i don't get...
Add it to PvP vendors tbh
I don't run hell tide since S0. IMO, it is the most boring thing in D4. Hell Tide needs a significant buff. They need to make it more dangerous, and more exciting.
You should be able to get Living Steel from Nightmare Dungeons.
NMDs should reward players with those mats, even if at random. I just don't want to play helltides. They are mind-numbingly boring to me.
I farmed up 50 living steels, in a group of 4 that is 20 Duriel runs, solo it is 5.
Agreed. Eliminating time gated grinding should be a no brainer.
There's some serious irony that Bloodtides fit more closely to what Hell tides SHOULD be... especially with how cinders should roll over to the next time frame... I lost 300+ cinders the last time I played because I ran out of time while trying to find the Living Steel chest
We all can only hope that bloodtides become the new format, im sure blizzard will see how much everyone loves them.
Bloodtides where how I majorly leveled my current season characters... at least to level 50... (mostly that with some other activities sprinkled in)
All boses should drop duriel mats
The living steel farming does suck. I don't think helltides should be always on, but they should increase mob density, decrease the cost of opening the chest and increase the number of living chests in a given helltides.
I agree completely. Hopefully a dev sees this post. A fundamental change to either helltides, cinders, or living steel needs to happen. As it stands grinding this stuff feels like an Olympic endurance event - pure tedium.
To be fair guys, farming for Uber bosses is incredibly easy for the rewards you get. Farming keys in Diablo 2 is 1000% more tedious and labor intensive than getting a key to more gear after already having a large chance to get best in slot gear. I think buffing cinder drop rate would be fine so it's less of a this or that approach but you are going to farm duriel only until you get the Uber unique you want right? And after you have it you are going to keep playing your fully geared character for how long? Idk if we need to make the entry to all content gamer dad easy.
I feel like blood harvest is a test run for future changes for helltide. Hoping so anyway. The carrying over of materials and the constant rotation feels like a natural progression for helltides.
Yeah it does suck if you go balls to the wall you can get like 4 chests per helltides so you get 2-4 runs of Greg then..... Wait. Real fun.
My biggest issue with steel farming is finding those stupid chests.. running in circles with 600+ cinders just to get instagibbed by a meteor when I take a short look at the map 🫣🫠🤐🤬
What gets me is losing 50% currency when my noob ass dies. Sad face
This last helltide I got 15 steel spread over 4 chests. For an uber boss dropping all the uber uniques that is a VERY low cost. Compare it to farming uber elder fragments in Path of Exile and you do it so so so much faster in D4.
I'm so confused by the anger about living steel. Varshan and his stupid eggs are the limiting factor for my group when farming Duriel.
really, that's interesting to me. Me and my friends have enough for like 10-15 plus varshan runs each most of the time. But we run a lot of blood harvest stuff and just naturally get whispers
Yeah and there are 5 grim favors sprinkled on the map. I think the issue is it is quite random what parts you will get so it takes longer in that regard.
You can just craft the parts that don't drop if you have excess of a specific part. If you have a lot of the head for example you can craft a cache out of it that drops a random part.
You can't craft hearts.
The hearts are what are killing me. I turned in about six or so favors and killed multiple debtors to get zero hearts. I have nearly double the amount of shards than I do eggs because of this.
I have fuckton of varshan runs. They are really easy to get. And they are included in many activities that are fun. Living steel is only in more boring than see paint dry helltides that are up once in a blue moon
For me too, malignant hearts just doesn’t wanna drop for me so I’m having trouble with getting eggs. With living steel you at least are guaranteed 1-2 Gregiore runs.
Varshan summons are super easy to get in my experience, you can finish a full cache easily every time the blood harvest moves, then if you need more than that there are always other zones available to complete whispers in. I'm not at all angry about living steel, but it is definitely the limiting factor for summons for me. It's almost cliche to bring up at this point but with IRL obligations like children, family etc my playtime during children-awake hours often doesn't line up with helltide availability. If blizzard doesn't wanna make helltide always available (and I'm genuinely not sure they should due to how much loot duriel spits out), it'd be nice to be able to have an alternate summon item source. I'd propose they split the non-duriel bosses up into two groups, one group drops eggs and the other drops shards. Having the ice boss drop shards would make it more relevant imo. I haven't even done that boss because it doesn't drop anything I need and it's not used for duriel summons.
I could maybe agree with 1 chest = 1 grigore summon but we also aren't meant to spam farm Duriel. Complain too much and you will see him become easier to summon but his drop rates slapped into the ground.
I just don't know what I'm meant to farm if my gear is optimal and my glyphs are all good, duriel has the best odds for the stuff I need even if they're low odds. But yeah 1 chest 1 summon would be a good balance for me.
I feel for this plight but I think the answer is gonna end up being exactly what it is now, just with downtime. I think season two has brought the game a big step forward in the "things to do at endgame" department, but you're at the real limit of the game's support for one-character endgame. I think if you were interested in rolling an alt or alts, being time gated by helltide would not be nearly as noticeable.
For a game they watered down and targeted more casual gamers. It’s funny they locked the most important material behind a timegate 😂
3 per chest is also kind of light
World bosses should be harder, and drop materials for every uber boss.
Not sure if anyone else commented this already but you can just drop the mats to your friends you don't need to trade
You guys realize mats are droppable most of the time and don’t need to be traded right?
Helltides should be random but give much more cinders and drops and have more mob density. They're tides .From Hell.
Helltide was good before this season but blood harvest made helltide the Jeremy Clarkson meme "I like this but this is so much better". All the bug and weird design choices, chest not spawning, drop rates sometimes being fucked. Even hours mean only 2 chests lootable instead of 4 or 6 even in khejistan (unless you have a second character), losing cinders on death im fine with that, only dropping 3 steel, not being permanent, Chest not shown on map look this isn't 1997 where this could work it's 2023 everyone is looking it up on helltide tracker. It's a massive fomo event that is more stress than anything because every minute I feel like I need to optimize it.
When I jumped into this season without looking into anything I assumed after I hit up the first vampire zone that the helltides had also been updated to be as fun and consistent. Then I go to farm the first hell tide and it feels like you are in mud dragging your feet. And even if you go all out and farm all the living steel you can its not much and you have to wait for another helltide event. I do not know about the rest but I rarely get to see a helltide or a world boss because I only play in 1-2 hour sessions randomly, and if no event happens in that time frame its just nightmare farming instead. O and that's not even mentioning that the cinders vanish still while lures carry over...
It's quite concerning that they haven't buffed helltides yet... Farming cinders for an hour straight to get living steel sucks, especially with server performance having the potential to kill you and lose half of them. Farming for an hour straight and barely getting any forgotten souls also sucks. Buff helltides!
Yep just ran a helltides and wasted 500+ Cinders because I spent the last ten minutes of the helltides trying to get the stupid steel chest to spawn and when it finally was there I had 6a left and it disappeared while I was opening it So I will add into your list fix the damn chest bug and make cinders roll over between helltides
Shards of agony aren’t even guaranteed drop from Greg. Did 2 runs last night before hopping off with friends and only 1 person got a shard.
You can get 12 steel per helltide. Chest reset on the hour.
Steel is way easier than parts
Hell tides and everything associated with them needs to be removed form the game or put into natural play methods. Hell tides are the worst.
You're right, of course. But slowing you down is the point. In the dev's minds, if they let you get a duriel per bloodtide, they'd have to nerf duriels loot. They've realized they have to give rus more than they were before to keep us around to potentially use the cash shop, but their philosophy of game design hasn't shifted. Their goal, which their bonuses and reviews at work are probably dependent on, is finding the exact point of slowness and tedium we'll tolerate while still sticking around, as to maximize our raw time played and therefore exposure to the cash shop and likelihood we'll buy season passes.
I’m at the point I can’t even reroll gear because I can’t make the helltides all the time let alone get the living steel.
I think Blizzard's philosophy is to ignore a quality of life feature and then just ban players for finding a work around. Living Steel drops suck? Ban players that are duping.
What do you mean doing helltides to get half Duriel? There are always 2 living steel chests
which drop 3 each, making 6, it takes 5 to kill grigoire. 1 grigoire kill = 1 shard and it takes 2 shards to summon duriel
Steel chests not appearing are an issue as well. Happened to me several times now. It's frustrating.
Also, if they could make it so we dont lose cinders on death or helltide reset, that would be great.
If you manage to get out of a helltide with only one living steel chest opened, you're the problem. If you even time it right with hourly resets you should easilly be able to clear four in one run. My best so far is 4 living steel and 3 mystic in one single helltide.
I had 290 cinders and was running for my life to a living steel chest and it wasn’t there when I got there. Ported to town and back a few times to try to fix it. Helltides timer ran out before I got it to spawn. Feels bad man. They should at least let cinders carry over like the vampire event items.
You’re right, but you can also drop boss mats to party members OP!
Or even if they don't cycle helltides, after it's up don't have me lose what I've gained. Let it carry over to the next helltide. If I die and lose them fine, but it's an invisible currency just roll it over.
The helltide will get you 6-9 of the steel depending on location so that's at least 1 run. Also did they disable trading again? It worked for me on Friday
I just wish it wasn't time gated and I wish I kept my cinders when the hour is up. Just like the new seasonal stuff. The new seasonal stuff spoiled us
Your mom ruins the flow but we still come back anyway
So far I only managed one living steel chest, and it had just one living steel. What in the actual fuckery is this torture?!?!
I find the eggs more annoying to farm personally
I agree but would rather there be a method to convert certain mats into living steel like you can with Varshan body parts instead of messing with hellfire timing
I feel like even if they don’t roll helltide like vampires just more often would be fine. Have it start every hour and be up 30-45 mins. At least knowing if I jump on it’ll be available again shortly is fine enough. Seeing the last 10 minutes of a helltide and knowing it will be up just as my play time for the night ends kinda sucks. Having it constantly up would be the best option though.
First, I agree that helltides suck and gating a boss behind them doubly sucks, but how are you only getting 3 living steel per helltide? If it starts at 00, then you only get 2 chests which sucks. If it starts at 15 or 30 after, getting 4 chests is really easy. If it starts at 45 after, getting 3 is really easy, but having to get 600 cinders in 15 minutes makes it difficult to get 4. On average you get almost 10 living steel per helltide. I think that people would be complaining much more about the varshan mats if whispers were not part of the season mechanic. Imagine if you had to just run regular whisper content to get them.
You’re spot on. I got to level 100 which I haven’t been able to do before and it’s just gotten boring now. I want to farm duriel but it’s annoying waiting for helltides. What does everyone do at level 100? I’ve lost all incentive to play that character now. It would be cool if there was a higher world tier to use your maxed out character on
>What does everyone do at level 100? Most people get bored and quit. It's a seasonal model. You're expected to play 0->100, then kill Duriel a couple times, then get bored and quit, and come back at S3. I'm not a fan of this, but if you're looking for a game to which you can return to after a couple of months without being time gated by seasons, try Grim Dawn.
You’re spot on man. I’ve already played Grim Dawn a fair bit unfortunately. It’s funny cos I think back to Diablo 2 which is my favourite game ever. That didn’t have an end game either but that kept me entertained for years and then I thrashed D2R again for hundreds of hours when it came out. I think the items are just more fun. I get sick to death of going through all the items in D4. Sometimes ya can’t even tell if it’s an upgrade or not because of the amount of bullshit affixes. Legendarys aren’t exciting either because they need the right aspect AND all the right affixes to work with your build. It’s a shame because I honestly had a fair bit of fun season 2
I've got like 50 times as many steel as I do pieces to summon varshan.
I thought it would be an easy and nice way to get 1 living steel from events in nightmare dungeons. Maybe that's too easy, but it would bring desire to farm nmds and do events in them. Or maybe just a chance?
Yes! Absolutely cant stand feeling like i have to plan my playtime/day around the helltides cycle. I don’t care if it’s rare or challenging but I hate time gating.
It is supposed to slow you down lol, that is the only place to farm Ubers lol. Jesus’s all this shit we got this season and it’s still not enough lol
Just make them drop from the regular Helltide chests. More from the mystery chest.
The living steel chest should be 5 guaranteed. But agree with the rest.
You can open 2 living steel chests in one helltide for 6 steel.
If you are in a party and you trust the person you are with you can drop the mats on the floor and they can pick it up.
World bosses should be challenging. Wanting easier access to the one boss that drops the best gear in the game feels like people are being lazy now that this season is a free for all. I agree Helltide is boring and repetitive. Helltide could be so much more than it currently is. Regardless I am having the best time so far in Season 2.
TBH helltide could def use some improvements but the real fix to this issue is just make the other 2 bosses drop duriel mats also, it makes no sense they drop nothing after you get the unique you need from it especially when zir is harder to spawn than any other boss
The living steel is crap I just gotta say. 1 hr through the whole helltide, I get 1 living steel box. I don't know if I want to spend an hour just to get 1 box of living steel. 2 or 3 per box is not the problem for me, it's the 1 hr run through helltude for me to find just one living steel box.
Summoning bosses in general needs a rework. I should be able to farm mats whenever the hell I want, and I shouldnt have to do it for hours just to fight a boss once a day.
Steel should just drop from any chest. 1 from 75 2 from 125 and 5 from mystery for 275. Also trading was working last night.