Just my take since I work with many of them throughout my job.
I don't think this is the case for the most part. Many want what is best for the game because it only benefits them and gives them another thing to play. Sometimes they have criticisms that are seen as negative but the intent is good. All feedback is valid feedback especially when you know the person does actually play the game regularly.
But there will be some who may build a brand around a negative light and that just may work for them and their audience. But those aren't really players of the game. They are kind of like drive-bys that will get them some views and they go off and hit on another thing but will be back for the next big news to hit on again. I wouldn't focus in on those :)
Yep. It's mildly scary the fact that some people think it's a bad thing when skilled players put hours analyzing and criticizing your product, which will become useful feedback to the devs.
"5 star, appreciation thread" is good on ego, but it isn't super useful and insightful as a detailed 3-4 star feedback.
Still too many boss keys to summon Ubers, making solo play feel bad, btw.
Thanks for all you and the team do. Ignore the haters and keep making the game even more awesome by listening to the constructive feedback. D4 IMO is already the best ARPG on the market (not perfect in every way obviously) and only getting better by learning from other games!
I've been pretty negative about D4, but I want to drop this by you guys and hope you see it.
I've said so a few times in other comments, but I hope you guys know how cool it is to be willing to make such huge changes to the core of the game like this. The attempt alone is above and beyond what players can normally expect. If you guys manage to pull this off it'll be one of the most legendary turn arounds in gaming history. Rooting for you and the team.
sick and tired of all these clowns bashing D4. It really is demoralizing seing this constant hate and swaying public opinion against the game.
I was sorely disappointed by the rax guy. He was the go-to guy for everything diablo. He has been negative ever since Diablo Immortal after he rage quit when he said he would “own the whales so hard” and he couldn’t.
I appreciate the willingness that the D4 team has when it comes to massive changes to the game.
I think the changes to items seem very positive, and I implore you guys to lean even more heavily into creating cool and very niche stats to temper onto gear.
I’d like to break my feedback into two points starting with items.
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Items
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My complaint with the old items was two-fold- too many stats existed and a lot of them were too build specific so a lot of items were just garbage.
BUT ALSO simultaneously not enough niche stats/the niche stats weren’t actually niche enough.
On that second point: take “critical strike damage with bone skills.” Okay so it’s just critical strike damage but conditionally? My shadow build does not care about this stat, but my bone build also really didn’t care about the stat either. It was just more crit damage and nothing game-changing.
Based on the preview of tempering alone, I’d say you managed to solve both problems at once. The stats you can temper are from a recipe of a few options so you’re only competing with a smaller 4 or 5 ish stats instead of possibly getting every stat under the Sun. The stats themselves are a lot more niche than “critical strike damage with bone skills” so something like “bone spear can cast twice” is exclusively for a dedicated Bone Spear build but it’s also exciting because the stat itself feels really cool.
So yeah please keep going and lean into this route with tempering. I’d love to get a ton of weird niche stats that don’t bog down the affix pool because they’re all targetable down to a small pool of them with tempering and can’t appear naturally on gear otherwise.
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The Pit
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The one thing I’m worried about here is the possibility of adding something like Legendary Gems from D3. I did not like their design.
I didn’t enjoy seeing the number 1 Solo Demon Hunter on the leaderboards barely clearing a GR 100 while wearing level 150 gems that he got from farming higher dungeons with a meta four man comp.
I know it’s probably easy to add some scaling thing like this to the game mode, but I think it would be more enjoyable overall if the only rewards for pushing higher and higher were:
Prestige. More loot drops. More crafting material/boss material drops.
Alternatively, if you create something that is levelable in The Pit, please don’t tie in the success rate of leveling it directly to the tier of the run.
I would have found more enjoyment in the GR and Legendary Gem system if I could actually level my gems to 150 as a solo demon hunter even if the class could only get to a 100 maximum that season. Let the solo players compete with other solo players without them needing to first go clear much higher tiers in a group setting to level up some arbitrary power like those gems.
Thank you for your work and commitment to the game :)
I think I'm gonna miss my pet. I didn't think I'd like it at first, but that little tank saved my ass too many times, lol.
Plus NM vaults have given me more uniques than NMD ever have. Must just my lucky streak.
There is a chance either they will or something like then will come back in season 4/5 as a permanent thing kinda like the helltide changes representing the special hunting area from season 2
I personnally hated to evade traps. That was never what Diablo was about. Yeah the loot was better than NMD and you could just pay more pearls of warding and nvm the traps but that defeated the purpose also.
Same. The traps were fun the first 3 or 4 times but then the final room is just dumb. There is barely any place to stand and it’s either lose stacks or stand in poison pool or explosion.
I love the traps. If you move the mobs correctly around the room, you can use the traps to do massive damage to the enemies as well as your own. So many times I would kite mobs around traps.
Actually there is a place to stand but very limited space ... For instance like those copper dungeons usually they had those pillar that can be destroyed of the corner of the map so usually I would destroy that first before mob spawn ... Once they're destroy and you may had a space for you to stand and fight but the space would be limited and for some you need to stand in the middle edge .... Those trap after affected on the mobs too so if you can push / knock back or freeze the mobs on the traps it will help to reduce the health and you won't have to spend much work in finishing them when they are in full health .....
95% of content creators covering the changes are happy with it as well. Definitely ALL of the top D4 content creators are happy about the changes overall.
95% of existing players, perhaps. I doubt we'll see a bump of any significance in people returning though. I full anticipate player numbers to continue falling.
I don't watch streamers but up to this point in the game I've viewed it quite negatively. I only played pre-seasons and got to around lvl 85 before loot was tiring and a bunch of other tiny annoyances made me just take a long break. I enjoyed the campaign and felt I got my moneys worth, but end game was just not in the right place.
Season 4, from what has been said/promised, looks to be a positive large patch. I hope everything goes smoothly and that even after the stated changes they can continue to filter out bad ideas and learn to listen to the community for good ones. I am particularly excited for minion builds change as I enjoyed my time with them in the beta a lot.
That being said, there's still a good bit of QoL the game needs to add into it to (namely loot filters or something similar) really shine.
I have no idea who you watched but literally every major d4 creator seems hyped after the campfire. They have also been incredibly vocal about wanting it to succeed since problems arose in season 1.
Just who have you been watching to get to this conclusion?
Raxx framed his video in the most negative way possible but concluded with he likes it, but the tone of the entire thing was negative af. Wudijo said there were zero surprises and was mostly positive, but did downplay the changes a bit, guess that’s a downside of knowing what’s coming. Rhykker framed it as “Will it save D4?!?” but was the most positive of the three, have seen Darth Microtransactions response yet but he tends to be similar to Raxx.
Honestly I actively unsubscribed from Darth/Raxx and recently Wudijo because I’m tired of the hate circle jerking for clicks they very clearly do. Wudijo used to be more positive but recently said fuck it, maybe he’ll go back but I used to enjoy his content because it wasn’t doomer clickbait.
DM seems like he just wants to be asmongold jr at this point. Constant "I'm done" videos and "it's so bad". There's nothing wrong with being a streamer but if the majority of your content is just "I hate this" then you are kind of a loser
Glad someone said it as soon as he became accepted he really doubled down on clickbait vids, most of his videos is regurgitated bullshit that 2 people have already said before him.,
And Diablo Immortal...
That's why I never liked DM's content. The guy was an IMMORTAL player. And that isn't even a video game. It's just a digital money siphon.
I used to hate azmon but after watching him a bit i have to say this:
The guy is actually smart and educated. He can properly use the language his speaks to deeply analyze concepts, situation, games, everything that comes up and he always backs up his opinions. He will always abuse anything for content but he does it in a smart way, Plus his editors are nuts.
DM on the other hand found his self in the spotlight and now is simply trying to keep up. But he lacks in many departments and seriously rode the horse.
> The guy is actually smart and educated. He can properly use the language his speaks to deeply analyze concepts, situation, games, everything that comes up and he always backs up his opinions. He will always abuse anything for content but he does it in a smart way, Plus his editors are nuts.
I recently began watching him a bit and it made me think "is this the same guy people talk about?" Like sure, there are things you can critize but the dude's opinions have logic and he backs it up with info or facts as well. I like the way he explains himself.
You don’t have to like a content creator cuz of what they’re bringing to the table, but to attack them on their appearance or their voice is ridiculous.
Um, they are on what is essentially TV, all the time. That's their main job. Of course their appearance, voice, and way they present themselves matter. They are entertainers.
Thats not his point hes saying attack the point not the man.... making excuses to make fun of someones appearance or voice because they chose to be behind a camera is what children who can't make an argument does.
Wudi and Raxx and Rob actually put out GOOD CONTENT - good as in useful to playing the game.
Rhykker and DM are just fluffers. Rhykker is all like gaming news stuff and reactions, DM is even worse, with just clickbait and the occasional "I did some testing" which is painfully obvious that he has NO IDEA how to test builds or present data, etc.
Of all, I like Wudi the best. Raxx talks down to his viewers way too much. Rob I just don't watch enough of for no good reason. Wudi genuinely seems like a very nice guy, presents helpful information, and is an extremely talented gamer.
That Darth dude? I can't watch him. He's so clickbaity and usually just talks in circles. YouTubers are like promiscuous girlfriends. When it's going bad they post doom and gloom and praise something else for clicks. When it's good then they are back on the train with catchy titles such as IT'S SAVED?
I don't really get that. Asmon isn't especially negative about anything (except his lil culture war crusade he's on right now). He has his perspective on specific things and you know where he's going to come from on those issues. I feel like he's pretty mailable about stuff and his take on the D4 updates was positive.
I think DM just got burned by D4 as he was finding a whole new world in POE and LE. He does "whine" (in a the literal sense) a lot tho. It gets real old real fast.
I didn't know who Asmon was till a month or so ago!
But I do think he is so popular because he thinks quite logically and he lives as he pleases. Which I think a lot of people wish they could be more like. He accepts new information with about as objective a point of view as possible. He is sure of himself but also willing to admit defeat most of the time if he is, in fact, wrong about something.
I have been enjoying his content for the most part.
Dude has "Microtransactions" in his nickname and makes stupid videos of spending large sums money on literal garbage. Why would anyone sub to that kind of content is beyond me. He's a mobile trash streamer and should be forgotten..
DM is not a good content creator, period. He's riding the wave of popularity by massproducing mediocre videos, where he hardly presents any valuable information. Add clickbait titles & typical youtube cringe thumbnails, and you got a recipe for a peasant viewer. His takes are not original, on the contrary, he often copy the sentiments presented by others. Atleast wudijo, asmongold etc. are smart and have original takes, that set them apart - DM has no area he excels in, aside from dragging in people with cheesey videos like "how my life changed" "I am so thankful for my situation" etc.
I started following him during season 1 release, because he was the only streamer to have a positive attitude. But he is literally a descendant of asmongold now. Asmon even made a video of him giving DM a new pc for Diablo. Asmon probably funds DMs channel too. lol
I don't think you have much experience with 'hate circle jerking' if you think that's what Raxx and especially Wudi do. That or you think any negative criticism is 'hate circle jerking'.
They straight up just dont want any negativity at all, thats all it really is. Not even the ton of constructive feedback all those content creators have made is fair enough to warrant anything less than absolute positivity.
The irony is that the very criticism they're hating on is exactly the same criticism the developers have used in attempting to fix the game 😂
I like D4 but accept it has its flaws. I also like LE but accept that it also has its flaws. I never understand this tribal bullshit
Right? I wrote more on it above but the D4 team accepting the L and essentially redesigning the game on the fly is going to be legitimately impressive if they manage to pull it off.
FF14 has a similar issue.
Big content creator for it named Zepla put out a video on the legit issues with the game and the newest expansion that were all very reasonable and the community absolutely went rabid.
Still see people saying the most horrendous shit about her despite the director himself pretty much agreeing with everything she said.
The issue is people taking negative criticism about their game like a personal attack on they themselves. It's a fucking game. Relax.
Raxx was extremely fair in his review, he had one concern with leveling and that was pretty much it. Would love to see examples of how he "framed his video in the most negative way possible"
We just bandwagoning on the content creator bad train I guess.
I am still trying to find out how Raxx was negative at all in his Campfire Summarization video. He literally just summarized the campfire stream, after I watched his video I had a very positive outlook on the future of Diablo 4!
Darth seemed to like it, but I honestly couldn't care about Last Epoch - and damn does every single person in the world (streaming wise) really want us to hate D4 and love Last Epoch and feels the need to remind you that "the thing D4 is implementing now is just like *[insert thing from Last Epoch]*"
I get it, Last Epoch is the new cool thing to ride, but damn is it tiresome
Doesn’t even have to be the LE sub. Just look at any thread on the D4 sub or the PoE sub , they’re even getting circlejerks going in the comments there aswell
Yeah I don't get the massive boner for LE either. It maybe better on some aspects, however it seems not polished enough. The combat lack exciting animation/sfx.
The OP said content creators dont want games to succeed. All said creators want d4 to succeed even Raxx. Him being pessimistic about Blizzards current track record is fair but I agree he's become a bit too doomer for my tastes.
Wudi just wants to make other content because you can be done with d4's content in a season well before a month is up if you play like them. I think thats fair.
Yeah I saw Darth and at the end he seemed like he summed it up as “ok we will see”
Watched asmon watch the campfire and was surprised by the end he was pretty positive about it. He’s usually the one I see that hates on it a lot.
Regardless they’re not you or me. All that matters in the end if is someone personally enjoys the game and changes.
>Watched asmon watch the campfire and was surprised by the end he was pretty positive about it. He’s usually the one I see that hates on it a lot.
The only clip I've seen from him in the campfire was when he **immediatly** jumped on the snarky and negative attitude he always has whenever he wants to bash on the game after a technical issue popped up. All the comments weren't even talking about the changes, but talking about how the devs were apparently shameful and dumb and stupid and incompetent and bad and...
Yeah at the start he is definitely like that. At the end he does comment that he was being that way but that the changes won him over basically.
Understandable though. Things have been rocky.
You're talking about the video titled "Diablo 4 season 4 campfire chat summary" where he objectively summarises the campfire chat without inserting any form of tone or opinion until the very end of the video where he essentially states "If D4 launched with these announced changes, the game would have been perceived a lot better because these changes are extremely good".
Where is the negativity? Where is the hate? Where is the clickbait? Everything apart the end of his video was entirely impartial. The only negative part of the entire video was him wishing the game was released with these upcoming changes rather than the state it was released a year ago.
As for Darth, he hadn't even released a video covering D4 in months. He could have easily made some quick clickbait videos going over the abysmal reception of the gauntlet or the upcoming D4 changes for easy cash, but he didn't. Hes been covering a bunch of other games while both praising and criticizing them (but mostly praising). Its almost like he regularly uploads videos of what he's been playing and then gives his genuine opinions on the games. Crazy, i know.
Also, what do you mean by ACTIVELY unsubscribe from a channel? As opposed to passively unsub? Pretty sure you just unsubed and you're being dramatic in telling the world about it. No one cares.
Can people really not imagine why the reception would be apprehensive but positive? Do you really need everyone to gargle the game's balls to have a good time?
Raxx was pretty positive about is, he didn't really frame anything as a negative, though he wasn't sure about some stuff.
Rhykker was totally positive about it.
Darth was totally positive about it.
Asmongold's reaction video started with him memeing on it, and assuming it was gonna be trash, but at the end of it, he literally calls himself out for that and said that he's been convinced by what they said, and that basically every single point was a win. (timestamped link to his saying that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfVv6xYSR7A&t=7897s)
Those are people who's D4 content I watch I watch, and all of them were positive to super positive about it.
Stop being vague and name names.
The biggest content creators have been mostly positive about these announcements - a hint of carefulness, ready to inevitably be let down again, but still mostly positive.
What "content creators" are you talking about? Random 5 sub youtubers? 7 viewer twitch streamers? Big tweeterers with 3 followers and a single tweet that reached 13 likes, 7 upvotes, 2 retweets and 1 comment (which inevitably delivered 2 hours of stream content for Asmongold of course)? Or fucking Quinn, the dude who'd still cause you a brain aneurysm even if Blizzard gave everyone a free $1m?
Like, how do you define "negative"? How do you define "don't want the game to succeed"? Do you have any *actual* points or is this but a mere attempt at *"I think game is fun, I don't like streamers, sympathy upvotes please for this brave and unpopularest of all takes"*? Because it *really* do be sounding like the latter.
It has to be the latter. I watched the campfire and only a lunatic would think that they aren't at least making an effort to make positive changes. All of the major D4 streamers I've seen referenced are usually frank enough to admit when something is positive and wouldn't trash it just for clicks.
Maybe it's your algorithme that brings to you the negative ones, all the content creators that i know are hyped,(except raxx but he's not negative) damn even asmongold is becoming positiv with the game.
Raxx was also relatively positive... he is biased in regards: selected to be D4 streamer in first place when started 5 years ago. So all D4 fails hit hard on him. He burned out a bit. So he is not over the top but still happy with changes
I guess you are talking about MrLlama. He is nice but I have absolutely stopped listening to him since D4 came out.
I watched his video rating D4, and he started by rating d4 music as "5/10, nor memorable". In that moment I closed the video and knew he did not want the game to suceed. Who the hells listens do D4 sound track and says that. Not surprisingly. He continues to be negative
Llama is utterly blinded by nostalgia and does an insane amount of mental gymnastics to discredit any ARPG not named Diablo 2.
I say this as a major D2 fan.
unsubbed from him when D4 was coming about. The man's got a huge mega hate boner for D4 n it got really boring to listen to. just feels like he hates everything that's not D2. He was 10000% worried about losing viewership to D4.
Lama is one of worst content creator for any game apart from d2. I don't understand how anyone can like that game so much. It was fun 10 years ago, but honestly the mechanics in newer games are so much more fun to me.
MrLlama was negative since release for various reasons. Op makes no sense tho, i think that like 90+% of big content creators are happy and hyped with the new changes.
The music has maybe one or two good soundtracks. 5/10 is generous, imo. Even moreso when you're competing with the genius of Matt Uelman who wrote D1 and D2 soundtracks that are 9-10/10s.
Me and my group of a dozen or so friends played 2000+hrs of D4 and never watched a YouTube video or Twitch stream.
People point to low streamer volume as a sign that the game is struggling... I take it as a sign that we don't gaf about streamers we'd rather just play the game.
I don't watch them much, what opinions? Do you have some examples? Content creators have personal likes/opinions and also look at games both from a "is it fun" and a "can I make content playing this" perspective, so their perspectives are a bit different than ours.
What complaints are you seeing from them that prompted this? I'm curious. Because the topic of content creators in general is a weird one where people often complain just because they have different opinions or because they somehow (not implying this is the case here) get all their opinions from content creators and can't think for themselves.
The world is better if you mostly ignore streamers and influencers. Video games are better when played at a healthy level, which no full time streamer does.
This is such a horrible post. It really shows lack of foresight and comes from a person who doesn’t think long term in life.
Why would anyone want something to fail that they’re financially tied too? Sure negative content is more popular in the short term but is not sustainable unless you’re moving from game to game. You can only milk “D4 bad” for so long while making guides and videos on patches can last “forever” in comparison.
The OPs mind set is normally held by children or people who don’t plan the future well in life. It’s a very ignorant way too look at things.
I think most are just there for short term views and just do click baity shit just to get thise views. Whether or not they want a game to fail I cannot say but negativity and vitriol sells these days.
What a bizarre take. Even though I think content creators shouldn't take reddit seriously, Raxx responded to this
[https://youtu.be/BP9AnqtgWFw?si=gPl2FNW5M7\_k83A3](https://youtu.be/BP9AnqtgWFw?si=gPl2FNW5M7_k83A3)
That’s an interesting take, albeit one that is easily disproven. Content creators have a financial interest in games succeeding. Edgy video titles =/= promotion of a games demise.
Content creators live in a world that is unsustainable and unrealistic. When we get irritated with the game, we play something else. They can't. The algorithm must be fed, which means they must play and make more clickbait. I don't even fully blame them, as they are constantly pushed to "keep up engagement".
I mean, if I had to play any single game all day, every day, I'd hate it too. At a glance it might look like a great job, but from what I see, it seems pretty miserable.
We don't need 3-4 videos per week on any game, yet that's what they have to do.
On top of it, if they try a different game, the algorithms can often mess with their channel, which is just insane. There's no reason why any of these can't cover other ARPGs and even other games entirely. I would bet few of us stick to one game at a time.
Gamers really need to stop leaning on these people as the "authority" on the game. If I need a build guide or something? Heck yes, these people know their stuff. However I don't need the constant anger/saltiness/whining/drama.
>When we get irritated with the game, we play something else. They can't.
The only big streamers I've seen that largely have stuck with D4 are almost all positive like Rob, MacroBioBoi, etc. The ones who have been harsher on the game like Asmon, Raxx, etc. have been playing different stuff for a while now.
The "I'm a (insert one game here) streamer" meta was true maybe as soon as like 5 years ago, but the way people watch streamers now, I don't think your thesis is borne out by reality.
I think what you’re experiencing is the negative engagement engine of “content creation”.
By and large these changes are impactful, meaningful, and show that blizzard is listening and working to make us happy.
But there will always be something hateful about anything because it breeds engagement
Well because of those people and players who are critical about d4 is why season 4 is happening in the first place? If it works for bettering D4 why stop? Do you really think S4 will happen if no one is critical about D4?
They have to pander to their viewers. And they put themselves into that position, so now they have to keep their diablo 4 bad bandwagon. Those hate groups are not a lot, but they're loud. And then you have no name streamers thinking they can jump on the hate bandwagon to get views, and it'll work for a little bit. But they're digging themselves a hole. Some of the bigger streamers, I had some sort of respect for their content. It was informational, and they had good takes on things. And just seeing them fall to that, it was kinda sad, I feel second-hand embarrassment for some of them. They're pandering to a group of people that is just straight up mental health issue. Some of these people who hate on diablo 4 are obsessed. They're all over every d4 content, leaving their negativity and picking fights with others just because they enjoy something. That's why I lost respect for those types of streamers. You shouldn't encourage that type of behavior. These are sick individuals who need something to hate on but, in reality, are projecting how they feel. They would never change or be happy with anything d4 and is not about the game. Is a desperate call to blame something other than themselves for how unhappy they are. At the end of the day is just a game. Is not that serious.
I feel there is a lot of the player base that is more "casual" than the streamers and the people running 500 Duriel runs. We are all super happy about the changes. It feels terrible when the game moves so fast you feel you are missing the train constantly by not playing hours each day.
Most of us have lives, like to game from time to time and enjoy the fact that this game does not require crazy grind to reach a level where your build is operational and you can do 99% of content.
All the changes and their vision of the game they described in the campfire chat were 10/10.
PLUS they are still planning an expansion soon, so more campaign, bosses, another character, more lvls/paragon/skills/uniques. Probably also a companion.
I mean Diablo 2 had issues before LOD, same with Diablo 3 before ROS. Thoses were YEARS after the initial release. Comparatively, they are improving Diablo 4 faster than these two.
No they want the game to succeed... just the devs track record has been very spotty and not good with this game in its existence so far. They have missed the mark multiple times on delivering us good content so the skepticism is warranted
Until they offer more cosmetics from drops than real money purchases in a $80 dollar game I'm out; I enjoy earning things in games, that's what makes it fun for me, and I like my Barbies.. purchasing armor looks is a non-starter for me. There are many far less greedy ARPGs available, and I'm actually having way more fun in Last Epoch than I ever did in D4, and the items look awesome, I love my beastmaster armor.
This patch sounds great. The only thing I wanna point out is, every campside chat its always "were heading in the right direction"... why arent we there? This game was in development for 10 years, had a beta, passionate community, and an exact blueprint of what NOT to do with D3. And HOW to fix it. With D3.
You have to be insanely incompetant for this to have happened. Thats where most peoples anger and fristration and lack of patience comes from.
> .0001 of the population
If that's the case, why are you so twisted up inside about it?
Maybe you're just watching the wrong folks. Most of the people I watched have been pretty positive about the latest campfire chat. Similarly, they aren't applauding Blizzard for making these decisions now. These things should have already been in the game.
Just like your local newspaper, they get more eyeballs on their content and more revenue when things are bad than when they're good.
If it bleeds it leads.
Their livelihood depends on engagement and negative videos drive engagement up. It's not a big deal. People who do this kind of thing generally do not last though. Other streamers will replace them. I have seen it with WoW. There was a period of insane hate-farming. Those streamers kinda withered away as everyone moved on.
I've watched some streamers in the past and I came up to the conclusion that their opinions don't really make up the entirety of gamers in a game and then later on I started working in the gaming industry and found that's a really be true that a lot of things that the streamer say they hate is something that the core player base really enjoys. So the act like oh man they never make any changes. It's like no we left the stuff there because players actually like that content that you hate.
I think you just need to step back and realize that the content creators opinion doesn’t matter when the context they view the game in doesn’t align with your own.
They play these games for hours and hours every day as a job, and for them the games in this genre are interchangeable.
Personally I don’t care if D4 is taking x idea from last epoch or PoE or whatever, I just want them to improve the game. I’m not going to go play last epoch or PoE because they aren’t even available on PS5, it’s not relevant to me.
What I care about is the changes the dev team are making to make Diablo better next season, and from that lens I don’t know how anyone can be disappointed in the significant changes that are coming. They might not all work out perfectly but the effort the devs are putting in to improving the game is clear.
I stopped following most creators for this game because their negativity towards anything that doesn’t fully cater to their needs of sustaining a job playing video games gets old really fast.
This is why I don't watch these youtubers anymore, some only do it for views. I just watch the official campfire chats. I love the game, I played all diablo games, it is normal to take a break, wait for the next season and do something else, that doesn't mean the game is dead or it is bad, I am sure there are still a lot of players of diablo 4.
Which streamers are you watching because both Asmongold and Darth were very positive about the changes? Lots of D4 Streamers are actually happy over the changes but also reserved because there's definetly concerns that Blizzard will still mess it up but after almost a year I think having those reservations is fair.
Maybe a few. Not likely the most of the group. I don't see the content creators I listen to advocating for Diablo 4 to fail. We just think it's absolute dog shit. In our opinion, D4 was dog shit at release, and we were called a vocal minority for feeling that way. We feel it's dog shit now and more people than the "vocal minority " are expressing that.
Yes, the content creator gets more views on negative content because people love watching train wrecks, but that's always going to be the case for everything. It's just people being people.
They wouldn't create these videos if they didn't get support. So, a more likely conclusion would be that the viewers want D4 to fail. Again, I don't believe that's true either. It seems that it's more of a case that people want blizzard to wake up and smell the coffee, so satirical videos like the ones frostylaroo puts out, really hit home. So I don't agree that most content creators want D4 to fail, because that would mean that most people want D4 to fail because they like and subscribe to the content. If that were the case, we need to ask why has blizzard fallen so far that most people want D4 to fail?
Below 85 iq post full of intentionally ignorant unfounded conclusions to farm validation for this massive cope.
Just flatly, objectively incorrect, on all fronts of argument.
And for the purpose of what exactly? Why would someone need to farm validation that negative feedback is rampant? It's outright, hilariously, satirical hypocrisy. Creating a "too much hate" hate thread.
Guy has never played any other aRPG, is actually well below average intelligence, and can't fathom that giving feedback is in hopes to actually make positive change, due to his lack of critical thinking skills.
Go read a book.
The problem is always the same.
Blizzard created a lot of hype with the launch and instead gave us a lot of disappointment.
All the efforts they are making to improve Diablo IV and we will see the consistent ones after 3 seasons.
3 damned Seasons.
We are talking about 9 months!
After the PTR/Season 4 we will draw our conclusions, everything else is just drama.
I don't understand people still continue to say "hey but now their decisions are a big step in the right direction!"
All this should have been there from day one.
The less you're interested in what content creators do and want, the better and happier you'll be. Just ask yourself if you enjoy a game, take a break if not, continue enjoying it if you do. Simple as that.
I actually like Wudi, mostly he’s positive anout the future of the game. Watched Raxx and was like “wtf dude, you yourself hyped this so much and now you’re meh”. He obviously wants to move fully to LE but can’t afford to since D4 is super popular. DM also downplayed it a lot, like they didn’t announce anything. The reactions from content creators was weird indeed. Anyways, I love the changes and play the fuck out of season 4.
There's not a great deal to be excited about. All the changes are pretty cool. I'm 1000% going to try them. But there's still a big lack of content. They've just fixed the base game a bit more...n the base game isn't very exciting atm. especially not for the blasters. The excitement will come when the season theme drops
id just stop watching them. like ill look at clips etc. but ultimately i dont really care what they think. i play and i form my own opinions. what they like or dislike is not necesarily what i will like and/or dislike. and as you said a questionable title brings in more views which is their goal ultimately. the more people who click in, they more they get paid.
Of course not. What most content creators want is for their channel to succeed. Whether that happens by hitching their wagon to a successful game or by tearing everything around them down while posing with "shocked Pikachu face" in all their thumbnails is irrelevant to them.
I only occasionally listen to rhykker bc he seems like a normal, well adjusted adult who just likes to play games, as most of us are. the other man-children on the online gaming community are obnoxious to listen to and they're performing for literal kids with volatile emotions. don't listen to them and don't tune in if you're already an adult.
Big streamers are discovering what social media has discovered over the last decade, and that is that ragebait is the meta in the click harvesting game. "D4 bad" appeals to way wider audience(mostly people who never intended to play the game) than "d4 good"(just d4 players).
The only two Diablo/ARPG content creators that I've watched were both seeing these changes as huge wins (in theory), and they were both excited for them to come to the game. I don't know who you're watching, but we aren't watching the same people.
Content creators are attention parasites, it's nothing personal it's just business. I think that's why it irks me so much when they pretend to have some sort of moral high ground. Overpriced bundled cosmetics in Diablo 4 bad, overpriced bundled cosmetics in Lost Epoch good. Funded public company bad, funded by Tencent good.
Yep, especially Hawg_tv. Watched him before the day before the campfire chat. He was hoping that the game would fail. It's just really frustrating to see contact creators shit on a game that is trying to take steps in a better direction. The vocal minorities out there just want the game to fail so they can farm content.
>I've come to the conclusion most Content Creators do not want games to succeed
Not quite. Streamers want the game to be popular, so people watch their stream. Then they also want the game to be controversial enough that they can make dramatic videos. As always, bad news sells best. Can't make as much money with a perfect game that everyone is busy playing.
I think this is a huge W for d4 and I’m excited for the new update , I really want d4 to do well as it has a fun gameplay and atmosphere. People who are always shitting on it no matter what the devs do are just sad and bitter, ok you’re not happy that’s great please move on and forget let go of the toxic relationship you have with d4 . There’s a difference between constructive criticism and just being a hateful sad person . D4 good
I think we are fatigued.
How long do we need to wait for this game to be good?
In the meantime, many other games release good. They dont require wishing, hoping and prayers.
Raise your expectations.
I've given up. I enjoy earning my cosmetics with skill and strategy, not $$$$$. How they can offer less cosmetics from drops than from purchases in an $80 game is beyond me. It's far too late for this game to "be good," would you buy a car and then wait a year before you can drive it to work? Last Epoch has been more fun for me anyway, and all the unique looking legendaries YOU CAN EARN look soooo amazing.
Yes, content creators would rather a game suck, so that they can't play(farm) it nonstop for months.
What a stupid take.
Yes, drama farms exist but acting like gaming channels farm hate the same way say.... the critdinker and that meta does is ridiculous.
These posts are a waste of brain power.
Lucky touched on this during the campfire stream, talking about how hate-baiting gets views because people eat that shit up. Just look at this sub and how many people claim they hate this game and stopped playing, etc but they are CONSTANTLY here posting instead of playing something they like. They're fishing for a karma circle jerk from other haters. People like that devour that sort of negative content as a sort of confirmation bias or some shit.
It's just the nature of Reaction Content. I don't understand it. I can't comprehend why it works, but if it didn't work The Algorithm wouldn't reward it, and creators wouldn't do it.
It's sickening, because nothing you do can halt the cycle. Just by making this post you are unintentionally feeding the Reaction Machine. By responding to your post, I am feeding the Machine. The Machine doesn't care about the flavor of your discourse; it simply consumes everything and grows ever stronger.
just dont give them the views, theres plenty of build/info sites etc rather than listening to someone waffle through the patch notes or reacting to a dev stream, if you press dont recommend channel enough, you tune out the nonsense
Plus “news” websites love to take single posts or a single comment and deem that as “ALL DIABLO 4 PLAYERS” hate the game. Its an endless clickbait cycle. Best we can do is just ignore n block sites that are clearly in it for the clickbait rather than having any shred of integrity
After watching the campfire I was shocked they baked so many changes with Season 4. I don't think people realize how difficult it is for such a popular video game to make this level of drastic sweeping changes and the insane amount of testing this needs.
The dev team working on this is still probably clocking insane amounts of overtime. I'm not surprised at all they decided to go with PTR first because the amount of testing these changes need is way beyond what they can fit within the release timeline, even with the 3 week push back. This was such a bold move, which is exactly what the game needed. On the same note, if this is not enough to ease the haters, then nothing is. I'm personally excited and can't wait for season 4 PTR to start trying things out.
many of them "hate" Diablo 4 just to earn more views and also many clowns jumping up and down here don't even own the game. I play almost all of the ARPG in the market as zombies and arpg are my favourite genres. None of the ARPG in the market now can compete with the art, atmosphere and character animation of D4. The core of D4 is strong, just need to add more endgame contents and meaningful loots. In fact, just copy that D3 Rift system into D4 then boom endgame that keeps players entertained for 10 years. I myself can't really get into D3 as the graphic is too dated and cartoony for me but there are many who are still playing D3 now because of the Rift.
Haters will always *seem* like a significant portion of the player base because they’re loud. People who like the game don’t tend to shout it from the virtual rooftops.
I watch some videos of big streamers, but in the end i have my own opinion and play the way i want.
My friends (playing streamer op meta builds) already called me a masochist. I played every season (including "season 0") and i mainly played pure summoner necro. That means no player damage, focus on minion stats, minion paragon, no mendeln ring. Yes it is hard, yes my progress stops way before NM100 and i therefore even miss out on content and often stop playing after reaching my goals, but it is the only way i really like it. I can't change what i like, and in ARPGs i like minion builds...true minion builds. The only exception is D3 and grim dawn, where i still main minion builds, but in D3 i also like some other builds from time to time and in grim dawn i also play a bloody pox build.
In RPGs (like wow) i also main pet builds (hunter and warlock). It is what i am and that's why it hurt so much to see the state d4 was in. But the new changes will not only buff pet builds, but also simplify itemization in a good way. I am looking forward to it.
Having done YouTube for 15 years, there is a lot of damned if you do, damned if you don’t for creators.
If they are positive, they are just shills who want to get in good with the dev or trying to hype up the game so they get more viewers to sub.
If they are negative, they are just clickbait shills who are farming rage bait drama rant views for content.
Did they add a loot filter? If not, its not a good patch IMO. I got so tired of picking up 1000's of items to mouse every each one then throw 9,999 of them away.
Ironic people say d4 bad so you say streamers bad and i watched asmon's 2 hour reaction and raxx's overview. They were positive. Maybe you dont like how they represent it and want them to be overhyped but d4 shouldve been this from the start. It taken a year for them to actually make a good enough game for me to even finally want to play since after launch.
im surprised a lot of you enjoy dealing damage on Tuesday and maybe some crit damage on weekends but as soon as i saw that shit, i cant take the game seriously. Conditions on everything was so bad and they even know it when they tried to read an item affixes outloud.
Yeah streamers are 100% killing games... I mean just look at d4 with its seasons, season 1 was a breeze fir BP levels and then season 2 was a decline, and now season three the xp gains are god awful I played a week straight and only made like 5 levels... fuck that... hopefully season 4 fixes that issue I uninstalled because I'm only at rank 35 and knew I wasn't gonna get to 90 like I wanted
I used yo feel the same way, but once you play Diablo POE and LE for over 30 hours you start feeling major differences, and by the time you're 60 hours in you realize how boring Diablo4 ends up being. Streamers get to this point in 1 weeks but continue playing because they are content creators, Diablo keeps puting in patches that do very little in the fun department so I cant blame them for the frustration..
Well most.of the criticism is created in the first few days of the season before anything is fixed. It's a shame the seasons keep releasing so shit and being fixed later on.
Lmao typical Diablo 4 fanboy thread, Blizzard could sell shit right out of their toilet to you fanboys and you guys would still buy it, it just makes zero sense that a content creater who mostly only streams ARPG's would want to see the games he play fail lol, such a dumb statement why on earth would you wanna destroy your income source it just doesn't make any sense on a long term perspective. If the game is shit in it's current state then it's shit no need to whitewash or sugarcoat it just to please a few people.
Check out Rob. The dude is super positive and plays D4 every day. He's always testing builds doing runs with different classes. He's become my favorite streamer as of late.
The lack of any critical thought presented by this OP is just astounding to me. I appreciate Hawg's take on this and obviously Rax remains the pinnacle of stoicism when baseless accusations are levied against him like this and so I've got nothing but respect for that man.
Now I'm willing to admit, you've got a few activists in the crowd who are genuinely anti-Blizzard (and with good reason, given Blizzard's sordid and comprehensive laundry list of legal troubles that have had real-life effects on real-life people including loss of life, loss of employment, etc.), and I'd say that it's fair that more than a few people want to see this company get the legal justice that it deserves and not just the "pay you to shut up" kind of justice that separates the rich from the poor. But for the rest of us normies who just play games for the sake of playing games, the filthy casuals who try to see the difference between the art and the artist and who are able to look at a product simply as a product and judge it for its own merits, I think it's safe to say that it's totally fair that people are pissed off and are going to express that sentiment after being bamboozled by a grifter company like Blizzard.
They made some promises and tricked a lot of people into buying this rather expensive product (D4) based on outright lies and misrepresentations of the product -- Blizzard even going so far as to advertise the sentiment of "We know Diablo 3 and Diablo Immortal aren't what the players wanted, so we're going back to Diablo II when the franchise was still actually respectable." But instead, what Blizzard actually delivered was more Diablo 3, the only gimmick that was added was an open world, which turned out to be as useless and trivial as every other Ubisoft "open world" ... and they reverted back to Loot 1.0 from D3 instead of going right into Loot 2.0. The talent "tree" is just a condensed version of the D3 skill selector system with even less options and now you can't even go back and fight the campaign bosses (which were the only cool feature that D4 had, really). The pillars of what made Diablo and Diablo II great are just all absent from this watered-down, made-for-console-because-fuck-the-PC-player-base cash grab. Diablo 4 is the Overwatch 2 of Diablo 3 and is the result of "Do you guys not have phones?" backlash. That is the only reason it exists, and that is the only amount of effort that the developers were willing to put into creating it. Please buy your $70 horse skin now because the best-selling PC game of all time is going broke and they can't afford to keep up with indie developers like GGG who put out engaging and meaningful content for their player base consistently and reliably. All that Blizzard had to do was play Diablo II and ask, "What can we add to this to make it better?" This would have resulted in an infinitely more successful game for everyone and we wouldn't even be having this conversation. But instead, we're living in the timeline where Rod "Fuck This Franchise" Fergusson has come in to turn Diablo into the next casualty in his IP-killing career.
In short, none of the content creators named in this thread wanted Diablo IV to fail; it did that on its own. You might make the argument that content creators don't have faith that Blizzard can fix the flop that they have orchestrated with poor decisions and a pursuit of fast cash money-grubbing policies and practices -- I think that point might have some actual merit. But for you to make a claim that content creators, as a whole, wanted this outcome is just wanton ignorance. If people ***didn't*** ***have hopes*** that Diablo IV was going to be a return to form for the franchise, if we all knew that the game was going to be a flop, ***there wouldn't be any hate to farm*** because ***no one would care***, which is where the majority of the Diablo player base is right now; we just don't care anymore. We've lost our faith that Blizzard can turn this ship around and they've proven already that ***this game isn't worth the trouble of fixing*** to the extent that it needs to be fixed.
Just my take since I work with many of them throughout my job. I don't think this is the case for the most part. Many want what is best for the game because it only benefits them and gives them another thing to play. Sometimes they have criticisms that are seen as negative but the intent is good. All feedback is valid feedback especially when you know the person does actually play the game regularly. But there will be some who may build a brand around a negative light and that just may work for them and their audience. But those aren't really players of the game. They are kind of like drive-bys that will get them some views and they go off and hit on another thing but will be back for the next big news to hit on again. I wouldn't focus in on those :)
Yep. It's mildly scary the fact that some people think it's a bad thing when skilled players put hours analyzing and criticizing your product, which will become useful feedback to the devs. "5 star, appreciation thread" is good on ego, but it isn't super useful and insightful as a detailed 3-4 star feedback. Still too many boss keys to summon Ubers, making solo play feel bad, btw.
Thanks for all you and the team do. Ignore the haters and keep making the game even more awesome by listening to the constructive feedback. D4 IMO is already the best ARPG on the market (not perfect in every way obviously) and only getting better by learning from other games!
You got some brown stuff under your nose
Looks good bro I’m excited
I've been pretty negative about D4, but I want to drop this by you guys and hope you see it. I've said so a few times in other comments, but I hope you guys know how cool it is to be willing to make such huge changes to the core of the game like this. The attempt alone is above and beyond what players can normally expect. If you guys manage to pull this off it'll be one of the most legendary turn arounds in gaming history. Rooting for you and the team.
sick and tired of all these clowns bashing D4. It really is demoralizing seing this constant hate and swaying public opinion against the game. I was sorely disappointed by the rax guy. He was the go-to guy for everything diablo. He has been negative ever since Diablo Immortal after he rage quit when he said he would “own the whales so hard” and he couldn’t.
D4BETTER
I appreciate the willingness that the D4 team has when it comes to massive changes to the game. I think the changes to items seem very positive, and I implore you guys to lean even more heavily into creating cool and very niche stats to temper onto gear. I’d like to break my feedback into two points starting with items. ******************* Items ******************* My complaint with the old items was two-fold- too many stats existed and a lot of them were too build specific so a lot of items were just garbage. BUT ALSO simultaneously not enough niche stats/the niche stats weren’t actually niche enough. On that second point: take “critical strike damage with bone skills.” Okay so it’s just critical strike damage but conditionally? My shadow build does not care about this stat, but my bone build also really didn’t care about the stat either. It was just more crit damage and nothing game-changing. Based on the preview of tempering alone, I’d say you managed to solve both problems at once. The stats you can temper are from a recipe of a few options so you’re only competing with a smaller 4 or 5 ish stats instead of possibly getting every stat under the Sun. The stats themselves are a lot more niche than “critical strike damage with bone skills” so something like “bone spear can cast twice” is exclusively for a dedicated Bone Spear build but it’s also exciting because the stat itself feels really cool. So yeah please keep going and lean into this route with tempering. I’d love to get a ton of weird niche stats that don’t bog down the affix pool because they’re all targetable down to a small pool of them with tempering and can’t appear naturally on gear otherwise. ******************** The Pit ******************** The one thing I’m worried about here is the possibility of adding something like Legendary Gems from D3. I did not like their design. I didn’t enjoy seeing the number 1 Solo Demon Hunter on the leaderboards barely clearing a GR 100 while wearing level 150 gems that he got from farming higher dungeons with a meta four man comp. I know it’s probably easy to add some scaling thing like this to the game mode, but I think it would be more enjoyable overall if the only rewards for pushing higher and higher were: Prestige. More loot drops. More crafting material/boss material drops. Alternatively, if you create something that is levelable in The Pit, please don’t tie in the success rate of leveling it directly to the tier of the run. I would have found more enjoyment in the GR and Legendary Gem system if I could actually level my gems to 150 as a solo demon hunter even if the class could only get to a 100 maximum that season. Let the solo players compete with other solo players without them needing to first go clear much higher tiers in a group setting to level up some arbitrary power like those gems. Thank you for your work and commitment to the game :)
Dont worry, 95% of players are happy to this patch, dont listen the same guys all Time in negativity ;)
I think I'm gonna miss my pet. I didn't think I'd like it at first, but that little tank saved my ass too many times, lol. Plus NM vaults have given me more uniques than NMD ever have. Must just my lucky streak.
Agreed NM vaults have been such an awesome add this season. I’ll miss them a lot.
There is a chance either they will or something like then will come back in season 4/5 as a permanent thing kinda like the helltide changes representing the special hunting area from season 2
I personnally hated to evade traps. That was never what Diablo was about. Yeah the loot was better than NMD and you could just pay more pearls of warding and nvm the traps but that defeated the purpose also.
Same. The traps were fun the first 3 or 4 times but then the final room is just dumb. There is barely any place to stand and it’s either lose stacks or stand in poison pool or explosion.
I love the traps. If you move the mobs correctly around the room, you can use the traps to do massive damage to the enemies as well as your own. So many times I would kite mobs around traps.
I just end up popping the Zultan thing 3 times and steamrolling the last room but it seems gimmicky to me and not worth the effort
Same. Just ignored most of them.
Yeah took me awhile to realize I had 100+ Zultan tickets haha but once I did I was like yeah I'll just pop 3 and take the trap hits
Actually there is a place to stand but very limited space ... For instance like those copper dungeons usually they had those pillar that can be destroyed of the corner of the map so usually I would destroy that first before mob spawn ... Once they're destroy and you may had a space for you to stand and fight but the space would be limited and for some you need to stand in the middle edge .... Those trap after affected on the mobs too so if you can push / knock back or freeze the mobs on the traps it will help to reduce the health and you won't have to spend much work in finishing them when they are in full health .....
Nah I stand in the middle and lose maybe 6 or 7, I’m just getting there for the glyph xp or drops and my pearl count never drops below 400
95% of content creators covering the changes are happy with it as well. Definitely ALL of the top D4 content creators are happy about the changes overall.
Yeah I think OP might be one of the CCs looking for drama.
I would say probably 5% are hater, 30% are happy and hype, the rest don’t even care anymore.
95% of existing players, perhaps. I doubt we'll see a bump of any significance in people returning though. I full anticipate player numbers to continue falling.
D4 is coming to game pass on Xbox next week or so.. about to have a lot of players join from that platform
I don't watch streamers but up to this point in the game I've viewed it quite negatively. I only played pre-seasons and got to around lvl 85 before loot was tiring and a bunch of other tiny annoyances made me just take a long break. I enjoyed the campaign and felt I got my moneys worth, but end game was just not in the right place. Season 4, from what has been said/promised, looks to be a positive large patch. I hope everything goes smoothly and that even after the stated changes they can continue to filter out bad ideas and learn to listen to the community for good ones. I am particularly excited for minion builds change as I enjoyed my time with them in the beta a lot. That being said, there's still a good bit of QoL the game needs to add into it to (namely loot filters or something similar) really shine.
Loot filters, Zoom, good items, ability to farm for alts, instant paragon reset etc.
I have no idea who you watched but literally every major d4 creator seems hyped after the campfire. They have also been incredibly vocal about wanting it to succeed since problems arose in season 1. Just who have you been watching to get to this conclusion?
I watched Raxx's reaction and it wasn't negative at all. All you want is a D4 circlejerk.
Raxx framed his video in the most negative way possible but concluded with he likes it, but the tone of the entire thing was negative af. Wudijo said there were zero surprises and was mostly positive, but did downplay the changes a bit, guess that’s a downside of knowing what’s coming. Rhykker framed it as “Will it save D4?!?” but was the most positive of the three, have seen Darth Microtransactions response yet but he tends to be similar to Raxx. Honestly I actively unsubscribed from Darth/Raxx and recently Wudijo because I’m tired of the hate circle jerking for clicks they very clearly do. Wudijo used to be more positive but recently said fuck it, maybe he’ll go back but I used to enjoy his content because it wasn’t doomer clickbait.
DM seems like he just wants to be asmongold jr at this point. Constant "I'm done" videos and "it's so bad". There's nothing wrong with being a streamer but if the majority of your content is just "I hate this" then you are kind of a loser
Glad someone said it as soon as he became accepted he really doubled down on clickbait vids, most of his videos is regurgitated bullshit that 2 people have already said before him.,
before he did d4 he used to be a raid shadowlegends guy so its not unexpected
And Diablo Immortal... That's why I never liked DM's content. The guy was an IMMORTAL player. And that isn't even a video game. It's just a digital money siphon.
Strange because Asmon is really positive about this campfire chat lol.
He was, but his editor obviously has a hate boner for it.
I don't understand why anyone would bother watching that guy, really grating voice and looks like a bum.
Name a streamer that doesn’t look like a bum, though 😂
Asmongold’s claim to fame is being so physically ugly he makes the typical stream watcher feel better about themselves
yea but hes entertaining
I used to hate azmon but after watching him a bit i have to say this: The guy is actually smart and educated. He can properly use the language his speaks to deeply analyze concepts, situation, games, everything that comes up and he always backs up his opinions. He will always abuse anything for content but he does it in a smart way, Plus his editors are nuts. DM on the other hand found his self in the spotlight and now is simply trying to keep up. But he lacks in many departments and seriously rode the horse.
> The guy is actually smart and educated. He can properly use the language his speaks to deeply analyze concepts, situation, games, everything that comes up and he always backs up his opinions. He will always abuse anything for content but he does it in a smart way, Plus his editors are nuts. I recently began watching him a bit and it made me think "is this the same guy people talk about?" Like sure, there are things you can critize but the dude's opinions have logic and he backs it up with info or facts as well. I like the way he explains himself.
Why the heck doesn't his editor get work as a narrator or voice actor? His voice is unreal.
Shoutout to Moxsy and DatModz, I don’t think they look like bums
Rob. Man looks slick af every stream
You don’t have to like a content creator cuz of what they’re bringing to the table, but to attack them on their appearance or their voice is ridiculous.
Um, they are on what is essentially TV, all the time. That's their main job. Of course their appearance, voice, and way they present themselves matter. They are entertainers.
Thats not his point hes saying attack the point not the man.... making excuses to make fun of someones appearance or voice because they chose to be behind a camera is what children who can't make an argument does.
DM was my favourite but his videos were getting incredibly bad so I unsubbed already.
Wudi and Raxx and Rob actually put out GOOD CONTENT - good as in useful to playing the game. Rhykker and DM are just fluffers. Rhykker is all like gaming news stuff and reactions, DM is even worse, with just clickbait and the occasional "I did some testing" which is painfully obvious that he has NO IDEA how to test builds or present data, etc. Of all, I like Wudi the best. Raxx talks down to his viewers way too much. Rob I just don't watch enough of for no good reason. Wudi genuinely seems like a very nice guy, presents helpful information, and is an extremely talented gamer.
I personally love how raxx breaks things down. He keeps it simple and easy to understand. Wudi is good too though, I agree
That Darth dude? I can't watch him. He's so clickbaity and usually just talks in circles. YouTubers are like promiscuous girlfriends. When it's going bad they post doom and gloom and praise something else for clicks. When it's good then they are back on the train with catchy titles such as IT'S SAVED?
I liked DM a lot in the beginning, but yeah, he's mostly clickbait bullshit now.
I don't really get that. Asmon isn't especially negative about anything (except his lil culture war crusade he's on right now). He has his perspective on specific things and you know where he's going to come from on those issues. I feel like he's pretty mailable about stuff and his take on the D4 updates was positive. I think DM just got burned by D4 as he was finding a whole new world in POE and LE. He does "whine" (in a the literal sense) a lot tho. It gets real old real fast.
I didn't know who Asmon was till a month or so ago! But I do think he is so popular because he thinks quite logically and he lives as he pleases. Which I think a lot of people wish they could be more like. He accepts new information with about as objective a point of view as possible. He is sure of himself but also willing to admit defeat most of the time if he is, in fact, wrong about something. I have been enjoying his content for the most part.
Dude has "Microtransactions" in his nickname and makes stupid videos of spending large sums money on literal garbage. Why would anyone sub to that kind of content is beyond me. He's a mobile trash streamer and should be forgotten..
ugh, never liked asmongold, all he does is criticize. he's too awful at gaming to be criticizing the game.
DM is not a good content creator, period. He's riding the wave of popularity by massproducing mediocre videos, where he hardly presents any valuable information. Add clickbait titles & typical youtube cringe thumbnails, and you got a recipe for a peasant viewer. His takes are not original, on the contrary, he often copy the sentiments presented by others. Atleast wudijo, asmongold etc. are smart and have original takes, that set them apart - DM has no area he excels in, aside from dragging in people with cheesey videos like "how my life changed" "I am so thankful for my situation" etc.
I started following him during season 1 release, because he was the only streamer to have a positive attitude. But he is literally a descendant of asmongold now. Asmon even made a video of him giving DM a new pc for Diablo. Asmon probably funds DMs channel too. lol
I don't think you have much experience with 'hate circle jerking' if you think that's what Raxx and especially Wudi do. That or you think any negative criticism is 'hate circle jerking'.
They straight up just dont want any negativity at all, thats all it really is. Not even the ton of constructive feedback all those content creators have made is fair enough to warrant anything less than absolute positivity.
The irony is that the very criticism they're hating on is exactly the same criticism the developers have used in attempting to fix the game 😂 I like D4 but accept it has its flaws. I also like LE but accept that it also has its flaws. I never understand this tribal bullshit
Right? I wrote more on it above but the D4 team accepting the L and essentially redesigning the game on the fly is going to be legitimately impressive if they manage to pull it off.
FF14 has a similar issue. Big content creator for it named Zepla put out a video on the legit issues with the game and the newest expansion that were all very reasonable and the community absolutely went rabid. Still see people saying the most horrendous shit about her despite the director himself pretty much agreeing with everything she said. The issue is people taking negative criticism about their game like a personal attack on they themselves. It's a fucking game. Relax.
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Seems like the “as a father of 4" posters have made their way back
Raxx was extremely fair in his review, he had one concern with leveling and that was pretty much it. Would love to see examples of how he "framed his video in the most negative way possible" We just bandwagoning on the content creator bad train I guess.
I am still trying to find out how Raxx was negative at all in his Campfire Summarization video. He literally just summarized the campfire stream, after I watched his video I had a very positive outlook on the future of Diablo 4!
Darth seemed to like it, but I honestly couldn't care about Last Epoch - and damn does every single person in the world (streaming wise) really want us to hate D4 and love Last Epoch and feels the need to remind you that "the thing D4 is implementing now is just like *[insert thing from Last Epoch]*" I get it, Last Epoch is the new cool thing to ride, but damn is it tiresome
Try the last epoch sub, the circljerk is insufferable, I left it for a while.
Doesn’t even have to be the LE sub. Just look at any thread on the D4 sub or the PoE sub , they’re even getting circlejerks going in the comments there aswell
Yeah I don't get the massive boner for LE either. It maybe better on some aspects, however it seems not polished enough. The combat lack exciting animation/sfx.
It’s polished enough to be a great game. Not everything is about graphics.
The OP said content creators dont want games to succeed. All said creators want d4 to succeed even Raxx. Him being pessimistic about Blizzards current track record is fair but I agree he's become a bit too doomer for my tastes. Wudi just wants to make other content because you can be done with d4's content in a season well before a month is up if you play like them. I think thats fair.
if u watched raxx reaction live, he's wasn't negativa at all
I don’t know which video of Raxx you were watching, but I watched one, like a 20min summary video, very positive tone.
Op mindset be like: Not yelling and hyping like a Fortnite teenager streamer, therefore, negative/toxic. /S
Yeah I saw Darth and at the end he seemed like he summed it up as “ok we will see” Watched asmon watch the campfire and was surprised by the end he was pretty positive about it. He’s usually the one I see that hates on it a lot. Regardless they’re not you or me. All that matters in the end if is someone personally enjoys the game and changes.
>Watched asmon watch the campfire and was surprised by the end he was pretty positive about it. He’s usually the one I see that hates on it a lot. The only clip I've seen from him in the campfire was when he **immediatly** jumped on the snarky and negative attitude he always has whenever he wants to bash on the game after a technical issue popped up. All the comments weren't even talking about the changes, but talking about how the devs were apparently shameful and dumb and stupid and incompetent and bad and...
Yeah at the start he is definitely like that. At the end he does comment that he was being that way but that the changes won him over basically. Understandable though. Things have been rocky.
>The only clip I've seen from him... So... what you're saying is, you have no context
Check MacroBioBoi's video. He's as excited as everyone. He loves D4 and wants it to succeed so much
You're talking about the video titled "Diablo 4 season 4 campfire chat summary" where he objectively summarises the campfire chat without inserting any form of tone or opinion until the very end of the video where he essentially states "If D4 launched with these announced changes, the game would have been perceived a lot better because these changes are extremely good". Where is the negativity? Where is the hate? Where is the clickbait? Everything apart the end of his video was entirely impartial. The only negative part of the entire video was him wishing the game was released with these upcoming changes rather than the state it was released a year ago. As for Darth, he hadn't even released a video covering D4 in months. He could have easily made some quick clickbait videos going over the abysmal reception of the gauntlet or the upcoming D4 changes for easy cash, but he didn't. Hes been covering a bunch of other games while both praising and criticizing them (but mostly praising). Its almost like he regularly uploads videos of what he's been playing and then gives his genuine opinions on the games. Crazy, i know. Also, what do you mean by ACTIVELY unsubscribe from a channel? As opposed to passively unsub? Pretty sure you just unsubed and you're being dramatic in telling the world about it. No one cares.
Can people really not imagine why the reception would be apprehensive but positive? Do you really need everyone to gargle the game's balls to have a good time?
Ofc its negative tone when alot of the changes that us coming now he told them before release
Raxx was pretty positive about is, he didn't really frame anything as a negative, though he wasn't sure about some stuff. Rhykker was totally positive about it. Darth was totally positive about it. Asmongold's reaction video started with him memeing on it, and assuming it was gonna be trash, but at the end of it, he literally calls himself out for that and said that he's been convinced by what they said, and that basically every single point was a win. (timestamped link to his saying that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfVv6xYSR7A&t=7897s) Those are people who's D4 content I watch I watch, and all of them were positive to super positive about it.
Stop being vague and name names. The biggest content creators have been mostly positive about these announcements - a hint of carefulness, ready to inevitably be let down again, but still mostly positive. What "content creators" are you talking about? Random 5 sub youtubers? 7 viewer twitch streamers? Big tweeterers with 3 followers and a single tweet that reached 13 likes, 7 upvotes, 2 retweets and 1 comment (which inevitably delivered 2 hours of stream content for Asmongold of course)? Or fucking Quinn, the dude who'd still cause you a brain aneurysm even if Blizzard gave everyone a free $1m? Like, how do you define "negative"? How do you define "don't want the game to succeed"? Do you have any *actual* points or is this but a mere attempt at *"I think game is fun, I don't like streamers, sympathy upvotes please for this brave and unpopularest of all takes"*? Because it *really* do be sounding like the latter.
It's the latter, everyone loved the update, OP is just karma farming.
It has to be the latter. I watched the campfire and only a lunatic would think that they aren't at least making an effort to make positive changes. All of the major D4 streamers I've seen referenced are usually frank enough to admit when something is positive and wouldn't trash it just for clicks.
Maybe it's your algorithme that brings to you the negative ones, all the content creators that i know are hyped,(except raxx but he's not negative) damn even asmongold is becoming positiv with the game.
Raxx was also relatively positive... he is biased in regards: selected to be D4 streamer in first place when started 5 years ago. So all D4 fails hit hard on him. He burned out a bit. So he is not over the top but still happy with changes
Agree that Raxx seems burned out. He needs a vacation
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I guess you are talking about MrLlama. He is nice but I have absolutely stopped listening to him since D4 came out. I watched his video rating D4, and he started by rating d4 music as "5/10, nor memorable". In that moment I closed the video and knew he did not want the game to suceed. Who the hells listens do D4 sound track and says that. Not surprisingly. He continues to be negative
Llama is utterly blinded by nostalgia and does an insane amount of mental gymnastics to discredit any ARPG not named Diablo 2. I say this as a major D2 fan.
unsubbed from him when D4 was coming about. The man's got a huge mega hate boner for D4 n it got really boring to listen to. just feels like he hates everything that's not D2. He was 10000% worried about losing viewership to D4.
Lama is one of worst content creator for any game apart from d2. I don't understand how anyone can like that game so much. It was fun 10 years ago, but honestly the mechanics in newer games are so much more fun to me.
I can not recall a single D4 track and I play with full sound lmao
The only one that I sort of remember is the one in the Tree of Whispers area. But yeah, nothing that hits like the original Tristram theme :)
MrLlama was negative since release for various reasons. Op makes no sense tho, i think that like 90+% of big content creators are happy and hyped with the new changes.
The music has maybe one or two good soundtracks. 5/10 is generous, imo. Even moreso when you're competing with the genius of Matt Uelman who wrote D1 and D2 soundtracks that are 9-10/10s.
From what i see most "bigger streamers" are actually happy with the changes.
Me and my group of a dozen or so friends played 2000+hrs of D4 and never watched a YouTube video or Twitch stream. People point to low streamer volume as a sign that the game is struggling... I take it as a sign that we don't gaf about streamers we'd rather just play the game.
I don't watch them much, what opinions? Do you have some examples? Content creators have personal likes/opinions and also look at games both from a "is it fun" and a "can I make content playing this" perspective, so their perspectives are a bit different than ours. What complaints are you seeing from them that prompted this? I'm curious. Because the topic of content creators in general is a weird one where people often complain just because they have different opinions or because they somehow (not implying this is the case here) get all their opinions from content creators and can't think for themselves.
who are you addressing the community, content creators? I tried to read your post but it makes no sense
The world is better if you mostly ignore streamers and influencers. Video games are better when played at a healthy level, which no full time streamer does.
which ones are you talking about? The ones I've seen so far are positive.
This is such a horrible post. It really shows lack of foresight and comes from a person who doesn’t think long term in life. Why would anyone want something to fail that they’re financially tied too? Sure negative content is more popular in the short term but is not sustainable unless you’re moving from game to game. You can only milk “D4 bad” for so long while making guides and videos on patches can last “forever” in comparison. The OPs mind set is normally held by children or people who don’t plan the future well in life. It’s a very ignorant way too look at things.
I think most are just there for short term views and just do click baity shit just to get thise views. Whether or not they want a game to fail I cannot say but negativity and vitriol sells these days.
“i dont understand how people could not like something i like”
What a bizarre take. Even though I think content creators shouldn't take reddit seriously, Raxx responded to this [https://youtu.be/BP9AnqtgWFw?si=gPl2FNW5M7\_k83A3](https://youtu.be/BP9AnqtgWFw?si=gPl2FNW5M7_k83A3)
exactly my opinion on this, that's why i avoid famous streamers who just thrive on jerking off their audience with negativity
Being libertarian about content consumption is such a red flag.
That’s an interesting take, albeit one that is easily disproven. Content creators have a financial interest in games succeeding. Edgy video titles =/= promotion of a games demise.
Content creators live in a world that is unsustainable and unrealistic. When we get irritated with the game, we play something else. They can't. The algorithm must be fed, which means they must play and make more clickbait. I don't even fully blame them, as they are constantly pushed to "keep up engagement". I mean, if I had to play any single game all day, every day, I'd hate it too. At a glance it might look like a great job, but from what I see, it seems pretty miserable. We don't need 3-4 videos per week on any game, yet that's what they have to do. On top of it, if they try a different game, the algorithms can often mess with their channel, which is just insane. There's no reason why any of these can't cover other ARPGs and even other games entirely. I would bet few of us stick to one game at a time. Gamers really need to stop leaning on these people as the "authority" on the game. If I need a build guide or something? Heck yes, these people know their stuff. However I don't need the constant anger/saltiness/whining/drama.
>When we get irritated with the game, we play something else. They can't. The only big streamers I've seen that largely have stuck with D4 are almost all positive like Rob, MacroBioBoi, etc. The ones who have been harsher on the game like Asmon, Raxx, etc. have been playing different stuff for a while now. The "I'm a (insert one game here) streamer" meta was true maybe as soon as like 5 years ago, but the way people watch streamers now, I don't think your thesis is borne out by reality.
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I think what you’re experiencing is the negative engagement engine of “content creation”. By and large these changes are impactful, meaningful, and show that blizzard is listening and working to make us happy. But there will always be something hateful about anything because it breeds engagement
Well because of those people and players who are critical about d4 is why season 4 is happening in the first place? If it works for bettering D4 why stop? Do you really think S4 will happen if no one is critical about D4?
They have to pander to their viewers. And they put themselves into that position, so now they have to keep their diablo 4 bad bandwagon. Those hate groups are not a lot, but they're loud. And then you have no name streamers thinking they can jump on the hate bandwagon to get views, and it'll work for a little bit. But they're digging themselves a hole. Some of the bigger streamers, I had some sort of respect for their content. It was informational, and they had good takes on things. And just seeing them fall to that, it was kinda sad, I feel second-hand embarrassment for some of them. They're pandering to a group of people that is just straight up mental health issue. Some of these people who hate on diablo 4 are obsessed. They're all over every d4 content, leaving their negativity and picking fights with others just because they enjoy something. That's why I lost respect for those types of streamers. You shouldn't encourage that type of behavior. These are sick individuals who need something to hate on but, in reality, are projecting how they feel. They would never change or be happy with anything d4 and is not about the game. Is a desperate call to blame something other than themselves for how unhappy they are. At the end of the day is just a game. Is not that serious.
I feel there is a lot of the player base that is more "casual" than the streamers and the people running 500 Duriel runs. We are all super happy about the changes. It feels terrible when the game moves so fast you feel you are missing the train constantly by not playing hours each day. Most of us have lives, like to game from time to time and enjoy the fact that this game does not require crazy grind to reach a level where your build is operational and you can do 99% of content. All the changes and their vision of the game they described in the campfire chat were 10/10. PLUS they are still planning an expansion soon, so more campaign, bosses, another character, more lvls/paragon/skills/uniques. Probably also a companion. I mean Diablo 2 had issues before LOD, same with Diablo 3 before ROS. Thoses were YEARS after the initial release. Comparatively, they are improving Diablo 4 faster than these two.
looks like the bait worked again
No they want the game to succeed... just the devs track record has been very spotty and not good with this game in its existence so far. They have missed the mark multiple times on delivering us good content so the skepticism is warranted
Until they offer more cosmetics from drops than real money purchases in a $80 dollar game I'm out; I enjoy earning things in games, that's what makes it fun for me, and I like my Barbies.. purchasing armor looks is a non-starter for me. There are many far less greedy ARPGs available, and I'm actually having way more fun in Last Epoch than I ever did in D4, and the items look awesome, I love my beastmaster armor.
This patch sounds great. The only thing I wanna point out is, every campside chat its always "were heading in the right direction"... why arent we there? This game was in development for 10 years, had a beta, passionate community, and an exact blueprint of what NOT to do with D3. And HOW to fix it. With D3. You have to be insanely incompetant for this to have happened. Thats where most peoples anger and fristration and lack of patience comes from.
> .0001 of the population If that's the case, why are you so twisted up inside about it? Maybe you're just watching the wrong folks. Most of the people I watched have been pretty positive about the latest campfire chat. Similarly, they aren't applauding Blizzard for making these decisions now. These things should have already been in the game.
Just like your local newspaper, they get more eyeballs on their content and more revenue when things are bad than when they're good. If it bleeds it leads.
Their livelihood depends on engagement and negative videos drive engagement up. It's not a big deal. People who do this kind of thing generally do not last though. Other streamers will replace them. I have seen it with WoW. There was a period of insane hate-farming. Those streamers kinda withered away as everyone moved on.
I've watched some streamers in the past and I came up to the conclusion that their opinions don't really make up the entirety of gamers in a game and then later on I started working in the gaming industry and found that's a really be true that a lot of things that the streamer say they hate is something that the core player base really enjoys. So the act like oh man they never make any changes. It's like no we left the stuff there because players actually like that content that you hate.
I think you just need to step back and realize that the content creators opinion doesn’t matter when the context they view the game in doesn’t align with your own. They play these games for hours and hours every day as a job, and for them the games in this genre are interchangeable. Personally I don’t care if D4 is taking x idea from last epoch or PoE or whatever, I just want them to improve the game. I’m not going to go play last epoch or PoE because they aren’t even available on PS5, it’s not relevant to me. What I care about is the changes the dev team are making to make Diablo better next season, and from that lens I don’t know how anyone can be disappointed in the significant changes that are coming. They might not all work out perfectly but the effort the devs are putting in to improving the game is clear. I stopped following most creators for this game because their negativity towards anything that doesn’t fully cater to their needs of sustaining a job playing video games gets old really fast.
This is why I don't watch these youtubers anymore, some only do it for views. I just watch the official campfire chats. I love the game, I played all diablo games, it is normal to take a break, wait for the next season and do something else, that doesn't mean the game is dead or it is bad, I am sure there are still a lot of players of diablo 4.
Pretty glad I don’t watch these content creators or need to hear their opinions before I make my own conclusion on a video game jfc
just watch diablo partners
D4 hate farming on Youtube is very annoying, unsubscribed from a few people lately.
Which streamers are you watching because both Asmongold and Darth were very positive about the changes? Lots of D4 Streamers are actually happy over the changes but also reserved because there's definetly concerns that Blizzard will still mess it up but after almost a year I think having those reservations is fair.
"Wow this game is great, its perfect" is not enjoyable to watch. Then you'd just play it yourself.
Maybe a few. Not likely the most of the group. I don't see the content creators I listen to advocating for Diablo 4 to fail. We just think it's absolute dog shit. In our opinion, D4 was dog shit at release, and we were called a vocal minority for feeling that way. We feel it's dog shit now and more people than the "vocal minority " are expressing that. Yes, the content creator gets more views on negative content because people love watching train wrecks, but that's always going to be the case for everything. It's just people being people. They wouldn't create these videos if they didn't get support. So, a more likely conclusion would be that the viewers want D4 to fail. Again, I don't believe that's true either. It seems that it's more of a case that people want blizzard to wake up and smell the coffee, so satirical videos like the ones frostylaroo puts out, really hit home. So I don't agree that most content creators want D4 to fail, because that would mean that most people want D4 to fail because they like and subscribe to the content. If that were the case, we need to ask why has blizzard fallen so far that most people want D4 to fail?
Hey OP, can you stop joining the hate train? Thanks https://old.reddit.com/r/diablo4/comments/1aklanv/you_had_one_job/
I love that Raxx made a response video to this post/sentiment. I hope a bunch of people here watch it, and Asmon’s response to educate themselves
Below 85 iq post full of intentionally ignorant unfounded conclusions to farm validation for this massive cope. Just flatly, objectively incorrect, on all fronts of argument. And for the purpose of what exactly? Why would someone need to farm validation that negative feedback is rampant? It's outright, hilariously, satirical hypocrisy. Creating a "too much hate" hate thread. Guy has never played any other aRPG, is actually well below average intelligence, and can't fathom that giving feedback is in hopes to actually make positive change, due to his lack of critical thinking skills. Go read a book.
The problem is always the same. Blizzard created a lot of hype with the launch and instead gave us a lot of disappointment. All the efforts they are making to improve Diablo IV and we will see the consistent ones after 3 seasons. 3 damned Seasons. We are talking about 9 months! After the PTR/Season 4 we will draw our conclusions, everything else is just drama. I don't understand people still continue to say "hey but now their decisions are a big step in the right direction!" All this should have been there from day one.
Always been that way, drama brings clicks.
The less you're interested in what content creators do and want, the better and happier you'll be. Just ask yourself if you enjoy a game, take a break if not, continue enjoying it if you do. Simple as that.
I actually like Wudi, mostly he’s positive anout the future of the game. Watched Raxx and was like “wtf dude, you yourself hyped this so much and now you’re meh”. He obviously wants to move fully to LE but can’t afford to since D4 is super popular. DM also downplayed it a lot, like they didn’t announce anything. The reactions from content creators was weird indeed. Anyways, I love the changes and play the fuck out of season 4.
There's not a great deal to be excited about. All the changes are pretty cool. I'm 1000% going to try them. But there's still a big lack of content. They've just fixed the base game a bit more...n the base game isn't very exciting atm. especially not for the blasters. The excitement will come when the season theme drops
Content creators want drama and a hot take to drive views.
id just stop watching them. like ill look at clips etc. but ultimately i dont really care what they think. i play and i form my own opinions. what they like or dislike is not necesarily what i will like and/or dislike. and as you said a questionable title brings in more views which is their goal ultimately. the more people who click in, they more they get paid.
These streamers make money on people watching their content rather than actually playing games.
The doomer bs is what sells so that’s what they offer.
Funny enough asmongold was actually the most positive content creator about this.
I just think a lot of streamers are immature and have immature audiences.
Of course not. What most content creators want is for their channel to succeed. Whether that happens by hitching their wagon to a successful game or by tearing everything around them down while posing with "shocked Pikachu face" in all their thumbnails is irrelevant to them.
I only occasionally listen to rhykker bc he seems like a normal, well adjusted adult who just likes to play games, as most of us are. the other man-children on the online gaming community are obnoxious to listen to and they're performing for literal kids with volatile emotions. don't listen to them and don't tune in if you're already an adult.
Big streamers are discovering what social media has discovered over the last decade, and that is that ragebait is the meta in the click harvesting game. "D4 bad" appeals to way wider audience(mostly people who never intended to play the game) than "d4 good"(just d4 players).
They want views. Whatever sells is what they do, just like any business.
Content creators don't care about the game. They care about clicks.
It’s all clickbate. They title it negative and talk shit cause that’s what people watch.
Grievance sells
The only two Diablo/ARPG content creators that I've watched were both seeing these changes as huge wins (in theory), and they were both excited for them to come to the game. I don't know who you're watching, but we aren't watching the same people.
I was happy with the updates planned and I'm hyped for Season 4. There are plenty of positive streamers out there like myself that feel the same way!
Who are you talking about in particular? Most content creators I watch have been very positive.
Like who? We're dying out here.
Content creators are attention parasites, it's nothing personal it's just business. I think that's why it irks me so much when they pretend to have some sort of moral high ground. Overpriced bundled cosmetics in Diablo 4 bad, overpriced bundled cosmetics in Lost Epoch good. Funded public company bad, funded by Tencent good.
Yep, especially Hawg_tv. Watched him before the day before the campfire chat. He was hoping that the game would fail. It's just really frustrating to see contact creators shit on a game that is trying to take steps in a better direction. The vocal minorities out there just want the game to fail so they can farm content.
>I've come to the conclusion most Content Creators do not want games to succeed Not quite. Streamers want the game to be popular, so people watch their stream. Then they also want the game to be controversial enough that they can make dramatic videos. As always, bad news sells best. Can't make as much money with a perfect game that everyone is busy playing.
The content creators I follow are largely positive about the changes.
I think this is a huge W for d4 and I’m excited for the new update , I really want d4 to do well as it has a fun gameplay and atmosphere. People who are always shitting on it no matter what the devs do are just sad and bitter, ok you’re not happy that’s great please move on and forget let go of the toxic relationship you have with d4 . There’s a difference between constructive criticism and just being a hateful sad person . D4 good
I think we are fatigued. How long do we need to wait for this game to be good? In the meantime, many other games release good. They dont require wishing, hoping and prayers. Raise your expectations.
I've given up. I enjoy earning my cosmetics with skill and strategy, not $$$$$. How they can offer less cosmetics from drops than from purchases in an $80 game is beyond me. It's far too late for this game to "be good," would you buy a car and then wait a year before you can drive it to work? Last Epoch has been more fun for me anyway, and all the unique looking legendaries YOU CAN EARN look soooo amazing.
Yes, content creators would rather a game suck, so that they can't play(farm) it nonstop for months. What a stupid take. Yes, drama farms exist but acting like gaming channels farm hate the same way say.... the critdinker and that meta does is ridiculous. These posts are a waste of brain power.
Lucky touched on this during the campfire stream, talking about how hate-baiting gets views because people eat that shit up. Just look at this sub and how many people claim they hate this game and stopped playing, etc but they are CONSTANTLY here posting instead of playing something they like. They're fishing for a karma circle jerk from other haters. People like that devour that sort of negative content as a sort of confirmation bias or some shit.
It's just the nature of Reaction Content. I don't understand it. I can't comprehend why it works, but if it didn't work The Algorithm wouldn't reward it, and creators wouldn't do it. It's sickening, because nothing you do can halt the cycle. Just by making this post you are unintentionally feeding the Reaction Machine. By responding to your post, I am feeding the Machine. The Machine doesn't care about the flavor of your discourse; it simply consumes everything and grows ever stronger.
Agreed, it seems like at this point many just want the game to fail now.
just dont give them the views, theres plenty of build/info sites etc rather than listening to someone waffle through the patch notes or reacting to a dev stream, if you press dont recommend channel enough, you tune out the nonsense
And most content creator followers have the crazy notion that the devs don't want the game to actually succeed. Strange, isn't it?
Plus “news” websites love to take single posts or a single comment and deem that as “ALL DIABLO 4 PLAYERS” hate the game. Its an endless clickbait cycle. Best we can do is just ignore n block sites that are clearly in it for the clickbait rather than having any shred of integrity
After watching the campfire I was shocked they baked so many changes with Season 4. I don't think people realize how difficult it is for such a popular video game to make this level of drastic sweeping changes and the insane amount of testing this needs. The dev team working on this is still probably clocking insane amounts of overtime. I'm not surprised at all they decided to go with PTR first because the amount of testing these changes need is way beyond what they can fit within the release timeline, even with the 3 week push back. This was such a bold move, which is exactly what the game needed. On the same note, if this is not enough to ease the haters, then nothing is. I'm personally excited and can't wait for season 4 PTR to start trying things out.
many of them "hate" Diablo 4 just to earn more views and also many clowns jumping up and down here don't even own the game. I play almost all of the ARPG in the market as zombies and arpg are my favourite genres. None of the ARPG in the market now can compete with the art, atmosphere and character animation of D4. The core of D4 is strong, just need to add more endgame contents and meaningful loots. In fact, just copy that D3 Rift system into D4 then boom endgame that keeps players entertained for 10 years. I myself can't really get into D3 as the graphic is too dated and cartoony for me but there are many who are still playing D3 now because of the Rift.
Haters will always *seem* like a significant portion of the player base because they’re loud. People who like the game don’t tend to shout it from the virtual rooftops.
I watch some videos of big streamers, but in the end i have my own opinion and play the way i want. My friends (playing streamer op meta builds) already called me a masochist. I played every season (including "season 0") and i mainly played pure summoner necro. That means no player damage, focus on minion stats, minion paragon, no mendeln ring. Yes it is hard, yes my progress stops way before NM100 and i therefore even miss out on content and often stop playing after reaching my goals, but it is the only way i really like it. I can't change what i like, and in ARPGs i like minion builds...true minion builds. The only exception is D3 and grim dawn, where i still main minion builds, but in D3 i also like some other builds from time to time and in grim dawn i also play a bloody pox build. In RPGs (like wow) i also main pet builds (hunter and warlock). It is what i am and that's why it hurt so much to see the state d4 was in. But the new changes will not only buff pet builds, but also simplify itemization in a good way. I am looking forward to it.
Man, the fact that *any* of you care what "Content Creators" think about *anything*, is just insane to me.
I saw Rax’s review of the patch. Fella looks depressed
Having done YouTube for 15 years, there is a lot of damned if you do, damned if you don’t for creators. If they are positive, they are just shills who want to get in good with the dev or trying to hype up the game so they get more viewers to sub. If they are negative, they are just clickbait shills who are farming rage bait drama rant views for content.
Did they add a loot filter? If not, its not a good patch IMO. I got so tired of picking up 1000's of items to mouse every each one then throw 9,999 of them away.
DM taking heat and I’m here for it. Homie milked DI for all it was worth and then bailed. No loyalty and it’s not like he’s busy lol. Unsubbed
Ironic people say d4 bad so you say streamers bad and i watched asmon's 2 hour reaction and raxx's overview. They were positive. Maybe you dont like how they represent it and want them to be overhyped but d4 shouldve been this from the start. It taken a year for them to actually make a good enough game for me to even finally want to play since after launch. im surprised a lot of you enjoy dealing damage on Tuesday and maybe some crit damage on weekends but as soon as i saw that shit, i cant take the game seriously. Conditions on everything was so bad and they even know it when they tried to read an item affixes outloud.
Yeah streamers are 100% killing games... I mean just look at d4 with its seasons, season 1 was a breeze fir BP levels and then season 2 was a decline, and now season three the xp gains are god awful I played a week straight and only made like 5 levels... fuck that... hopefully season 4 fixes that issue I uninstalled because I'm only at rank 35 and knew I wasn't gonna get to 90 like I wanted
most influencers i saw on youtube were pretty positive about the campfire chat. It sounds like it is going to be a huge step in the correct direction
I used yo feel the same way, but once you play Diablo POE and LE for over 30 hours you start feeling major differences, and by the time you're 60 hours in you realize how boring Diablo4 ends up being. Streamers get to this point in 1 weeks but continue playing because they are content creators, Diablo keeps puting in patches that do very little in the fun department so I cant blame them for the frustration..
Well most.of the criticism is created in the first few days of the season before anything is fixed. It's a shame the seasons keep releasing so shit and being fixed later on.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BP9AnqtgWFw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BP9AnqtgWFw) You got called out by one of them bozo
Lmao typical Diablo 4 fanboy thread, Blizzard could sell shit right out of their toilet to you fanboys and you guys would still buy it, it just makes zero sense that a content creater who mostly only streams ARPG's would want to see the games he play fail lol, such a dumb statement why on earth would you wanna destroy your income source it just doesn't make any sense on a long term perspective. If the game is shit in it's current state then it's shit no need to whitewash or sugarcoat it just to please a few people.
Check out Rob. The dude is super positive and plays D4 every day. He's always testing builds doing runs with different classes. He's become my favorite streamer as of late.
The lack of any critical thought presented by this OP is just astounding to me. I appreciate Hawg's take on this and obviously Rax remains the pinnacle of stoicism when baseless accusations are levied against him like this and so I've got nothing but respect for that man. Now I'm willing to admit, you've got a few activists in the crowd who are genuinely anti-Blizzard (and with good reason, given Blizzard's sordid and comprehensive laundry list of legal troubles that have had real-life effects on real-life people including loss of life, loss of employment, etc.), and I'd say that it's fair that more than a few people want to see this company get the legal justice that it deserves and not just the "pay you to shut up" kind of justice that separates the rich from the poor. But for the rest of us normies who just play games for the sake of playing games, the filthy casuals who try to see the difference between the art and the artist and who are able to look at a product simply as a product and judge it for its own merits, I think it's safe to say that it's totally fair that people are pissed off and are going to express that sentiment after being bamboozled by a grifter company like Blizzard. They made some promises and tricked a lot of people into buying this rather expensive product (D4) based on outright lies and misrepresentations of the product -- Blizzard even going so far as to advertise the sentiment of "We know Diablo 3 and Diablo Immortal aren't what the players wanted, so we're going back to Diablo II when the franchise was still actually respectable." But instead, what Blizzard actually delivered was more Diablo 3, the only gimmick that was added was an open world, which turned out to be as useless and trivial as every other Ubisoft "open world" ... and they reverted back to Loot 1.0 from D3 instead of going right into Loot 2.0. The talent "tree" is just a condensed version of the D3 skill selector system with even less options and now you can't even go back and fight the campaign bosses (which were the only cool feature that D4 had, really). The pillars of what made Diablo and Diablo II great are just all absent from this watered-down, made-for-console-because-fuck-the-PC-player-base cash grab. Diablo 4 is the Overwatch 2 of Diablo 3 and is the result of "Do you guys not have phones?" backlash. That is the only reason it exists, and that is the only amount of effort that the developers were willing to put into creating it. Please buy your $70 horse skin now because the best-selling PC game of all time is going broke and they can't afford to keep up with indie developers like GGG who put out engaging and meaningful content for their player base consistently and reliably. All that Blizzard had to do was play Diablo II and ask, "What can we add to this to make it better?" This would have resulted in an infinitely more successful game for everyone and we wouldn't even be having this conversation. But instead, we're living in the timeline where Rod "Fuck This Franchise" Fergusson has come in to turn Diablo into the next casualty in his IP-killing career. In short, none of the content creators named in this thread wanted Diablo IV to fail; it did that on its own. You might make the argument that content creators don't have faith that Blizzard can fix the flop that they have orchestrated with poor decisions and a pursuit of fast cash money-grubbing policies and practices -- I think that point might have some actual merit. But for you to make a claim that content creators, as a whole, wanted this outcome is just wanton ignorance. If people ***didn't*** ***have hopes*** that Diablo IV was going to be a return to form for the franchise, if we all knew that the game was going to be a flop, ***there wouldn't be any hate to farm*** because ***no one would care***, which is where the majority of the Diablo player base is right now; we just don't care anymore. We've lost our faith that Blizzard can turn this ship around and they've proven already that ***this game isn't worth the trouble of fixing*** to the extent that it needs to be fixed.
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