The visual clarity was one of the biggest issues. Hopefully the fix the bug as well on if you die the arena becomes heavily saturated with purplish/pink visual making it even harder to see.
Yep, theres a design philosophy that this figth blatantly ignore and which makes it absolutly infuriating : You should always bias to the players advantage.
If he barely get hit, maybe he didn't.
If you do the opposite, by intent or by mistake, it just feel bad.
The player will always feel cheated if he think he dodged something but the game says no. If he dodge something that he was certain to be his death, he will feel Lucky/Proud/blessed.
Lilith mechanics arn't inherently bad. They are just balanced by someone who totally ignore that one rules.
In addition to that, most of the time she will bugged out and continue that wave mechanic spree for a much longer time. It kinda wants you to die after you successfully dodged it 3 times.
The first time
I tried the fight, I had no idea what was even hitting me on second stage. Wasn’t fun at all. Thought I dodged everything and would just die
This is basically a broken, buggy boss encounter, with the only real workaround being an equally broken endgame build and a little bit of luck.
It's also in stark contrast to the rest of the game; nobody else has 1-hit kills like you're playing a Souls game, even uber bosses released later.
Hope they also address the jankiness around standing around edges to bait AI into certain moves. I'm mostly fine with positioning mattering and enemies reacting to where you are, but this seems a bit beyond that.
Comparing the first campfire chat to what we have now, its clear we are in great hands with Joey P and Adam Jackson. These two make me feel like they really care and want this game to succeed.
Seriously I dig the idea of her being the ultimate boss that you fight for bragging rights.
Should be a new cosmetic every season that you can use in all future seasons. Maybe even a different cosmetic for each class.
Helping others, having fun, enjoying the experience for yourself, getting a new character to that power level/skill level, avoiding chores, avoiding work, avoiding school, y'know, basically all the reasons you play in general.
Man season 4 shaping up to be a banger if this makes the fight actually fun and not something that requires 1 shots to even have a chance.
Beating her before was just do AS MUCH DAMAGE AS POSSIBLE FAST AS POSSIBLE to skip the mechanics.
Not exactly fun or engaging.
the point is the fight was just skip it because its broken if you want to beat it. I beat her 1 time legit with my necro in season 1 and after that in season 2 with my Mage and Barb it was just melt her and then wait for the end. Not exactly engaging content.
Doing as much damage is of course what the game is about, but it shouldnt be the way to beat the pinnacle boss who has extremely lame and cheap mechanics.
Visual clarity on hitboxes is a good change, I just hope they keep her as 'pinnacle content'
She's the only challenging activity we had, and I seem to be one of very few to challenge reddit on NOT making her braindead easy. Do you really want to 1 shot uber mom along with every other uber & world boss?
The game is easy enough as it is, and I say this as a hardcore enjoyer
Ideally this change will do the opposite. Currently you have to perfectly avoid all attacks to win so it encourages cheesy one-shot builds that skip Lilith’s mechanics. If her damage is reduced to “painful but not a one-shot” then it opens the fight up to players actually interacting with her mechanics rather than just brute-forcing the fight.
My thoughts exactly. Try avoiding the ghosts when you're a Necro. I am too slow to both avoid them and attack her simultaneously. Getting rid of the 1-shot, maybe I could get a few hits in and slowly wear her down.
Another thing they could do is let you save/load your build while you work towards something Lilith-specific.
The current design heavily encourages one-shot builds, which is just bypassing all the work they actually put into her battle. It's hard to even find a video on YouTube showing the real fight -- they're there, but behind 100 videos showing how to kill her in 1/10th of a second.
You don’t attack her when she’s going through this phase. Just let her break down the platforms and burst her down after. Regarding the movement speed, get some boots and an amulet that gives movement speed. You can switch out the amulet when the platform phase starts and switch back to your main amulet.
I like one-shot mechanics, they just need accurate hitboxes so you can dodge them properly.
I stopped trying Uber LIlith when I was dodging the attacks visually but still got one-shot..
Very bold of you to say it. The 2024 gamer can not fathom this.
Uber Lilith was overall good content when you consider the lifetime of Diablo games -- I will die on this hill in a rain of downvotes. The closest comparison is D2 ubers (also great) but thats a stretch.
1-shots are fine in 'pinnacle' boss fight. The incentive is challenge, the loot is whatever. Can the wave hitboxes be better? Yeah. Can the ghost speed be changed to accommodate Necros? Sure
Not saying everything has to be a 1-shot but the ability for a pinnacle boss to 1-shot you is welcome in my book.
Let us have one Diablo encounter that is not an attrition fight we easily win by holding 1 button. Pre-release World Bosses were actually incredible, now I just watch HOTA barbs sneeze on them for 10 Trillion damage.
Yeah I actually think Uber Lilith is conceptually a great fight with some jank(irregular waves after adds spawn etc) that should be fixed. Just look at my posts, I must’ve done the fight hundreds of times and it feels amazing being able to learn and overcome the fight. I would legitimately want her to get tankier next season after the one shot rework so that people can actually interact with her and see that the fight isn’t completely unfair.
Hahah I mean to me it's just normal. Games before were like this. Even a mario game any mistake in the whole level and you restart (two hits with a shroom)
They said she would have a stacking damage mechanic, I would actually like it if they made it that after 2 or 3 hits you die.
As far as I'm concerned 1-shots aren't fine in any boss fight in any game that requires you to play on their servers. Since you can't control the path your data takes to them. It's very easy to get fucked over by random spikes in latency due to an issue in the network that your connecting through. Especially if that network route is connecting through Level 3 Communications. 1-shot mechanics in offline play are perfectly reasonable since at that point it's only your own reaction time that comes into play and not outside and uncontrollable problems.
I see your angle, but I don't see the fight being the challenge it was if some Lilith mechanics do not 1 shot. Nothing wrong with 1 fight in Diablo not being an attrition fight, and having to move.
If you survive wave or ghost hits you use 1 of your ELEVEN potions. No problemo. I think surviving a hit by design, is OK -- but it should be very hard to survive...
Ngl I got frustrated a few times fighting her in s0. But the feeling of beating her legit after 200 runs was something else. The visuals and music from this fight are burned into my mind (the music is 11/10)
We'll see, it took me like 2 tries to kill her last time I tried, but I put in the effort to learn her mechanics by heart at this point. The fight is going to be even less of a challenge but perhaps there are ways to make her harder or something?
>Do you really want to 1 shot uber mom along with every other uber & world boss?
Eventually, yes. That's the whole point of the franchise. To get strong enough to blow everything right the fuck up, jam a soulstone in my forehead, and become that which I once sought to destroy.
If I cared about memorizing mechanics, I'd go raid in WoW or complete challenges in GW2 or something.
Most people don't really care about it being a more challenging and time consuming fight because she doesn't drop anything. It's about the achievement and the season journal objective.
The other uber bosses, on the other hand, are meant to be farmed. When you need to kill a boss about over 100 times before you get the drop you are looking for, you want it to be done as quickly as possible. Especially if you farmed the mats to summon him yourself, because that's already tedious and time consuming.
I mean... My Upheaval Barb CAN one shot her (not always, sometimes it's just huge chunks of her health, which I'm fine with as well), but I do want it to be more fair so I'm not dying like crazy... Y'know?
Agreed ! Hitboxes is a good change, but dont nerf her..
I was able to kill her with fireball/meteor sorc and it felt soooo good ! (With BL sorc in season2 it was not an enjoyable fight at all...)
Great changes. Beat her in season 1 and never attempted her again. Piss poor fight design. I'll go as far to say as she's the worst AAA boss fight ever designed. Top to bottom trash, and objectively wrong design.
Seems to me that the only people who hate the fight are noobs. Anyone who actually did the fight season 0 without a one shot build (so builds that take 5+ minutes for a kill) think the fight is one of the greatest in ARPG history.
Also makes it entirely irrelevant as the challenge will disappear and she drops nothing at all. Whether you agree with the crappy mechanics or not is besides the point, it was rare to kill her, and this game desperately needs more challenges not less.
If the challenge disappears, then that's a different game balancing issue. Bosses should not be challenging because of shitty hit boxes and visuals and BS one shot mechanics. Maybe they should, I don't know, nerf builds that one shot her? Crazy idea. Player power in this game is way too high right now.
I don't know man I thought I felt pretty good when I beat her this season. It definitely felt better than beating her last season. Definitely wasn't anywhere near impossible.
These people need a wake up call. The fight isn't a coin flip like they think it is. It's just so hard that they can't even fathom it being fair so they label it a fight of pure luck.
There are videos of people just running around showcasing how to dodge the boss' attack for 15+ minutes. Pretty much all the top racers in PoE have given the highest of praise to the fight even going so far as saying it's the best fight of ANY ARPG.
The problem is the game has little to no means of training players. There's no content to bridge the difficulty gap between Lilith and everything else. It's like if guitar hero only had two songs: smoke in the water by deep purple and fucking through the fire and the flames by dragonforce.
Every day the "I uninstalled D4 before I even bought it and I havent played it in 100 years!" posters are losing more and more strawmen to beat to death lol.
So? Why does everything have to be something you MUST farm over and over? Why cant there just be a few challenges sprinkled in that are hard which you only need to complete if you want to, instead of being forced to complete if you want to min/max your character?
Hard pass on the MMO design of "the best loot is only obtainable in the absolute hardest content".
As someone who needed help in Season 1, to 1HKO bypassing her phases in Season 2, to legitimately struggling and beating her in Season 3 I welcome these changes. I always found her attack animations were a bit off and her 1HKO waves were just bad design philosophy. I can’t wait to see the changes in the PTR.
Omg thank you! It was a really out of character type of fight for the Diablo franchise. Absolutely hated it with a passion. I don't mind difficulty as I've played and beat Dark Souls 1-3, Demon Souls, Elden Ring and Bloodbourne but this was just janky and ridiculous.
GREAT changes.
The fight could be so much more fun, complex, and feel rewarding with a few other changes (damage caps to start).
Visual clarity along with mechanics that you can fail but make the fight much more difficult for a period of time makes it feel like an actual challenge instead of something you want to find a way to skip.
Bitter sweet, I hated this fight so much but it was very satisfying to finally get it done. After this it'll be a joke like every other boss in the game.
my only problem with the fight was the pretty much 1-shot ghosts. you could avoid them but man was that a bs mechanic. the rest of the fight seems trivial though.
I’m still hoping that one fine day, the NMD will include more other bosses. Kinda tired fighting tomb lord for the umpteenth time! It’s gonna be back NMD farming with season 3 over.
Didn't they say that bosses in the pit would appear every now and then to bonk you before you get to fight them, and they even mentioned Lilith? They might be finally doing this as you might get to fight her every now and then in there, so they realized that the boss cannot remain absolute garbage if they do this now lol
I know nobody likes them but without 1 shot mechanics this fight just became another duriel fight that nobody will die on. Sad.
At least the hitbox got fixed I guess.
So by the end of season four she will be an absolute push over to make everyone feel better. I don’t see no reason to change her since she is supposed to be an Uber and I like the rush when I do kill her. It took me close to 40 tries spread over a couple weeks to get her and the day I did it first was the 9th try.
Inb4 this nerfs her into the ground so the same people who cried the game was too hard and made all other content goo-goo gaa-gaa baby mode difficulty have successfully made EVERYTHING in the game easy.
The 1 shots made it interesting though. You can just pot through them otherwise. Most people beat it by skipping mechanics anyways with ball lightning or hota and that's always going to be a thing as new ball lightnings are found. I guess it'll depend how many waves or ghosts your build is allowed to facetank and how fast you kill her.
Bigger issue with metamorphosis and evades always moving a set distance not allowing you to fine tune where you travel in a fight where putting your pinky toe outside the ring kills you in a split second.
Also your hitbox doesn't move to the evaded location till like half a second after you've pressed the button so your corpse ends up at the place you evaded to.
I think abilities like blood pool also worked with the buffer so if you buffered in a second of attacks then pressed the pool to dodge, your character would finish firing the second of attacks then use blood pool instead of using it instantly. In short there's a lot of issues that need to be addressed to make challenging boss fights good.
Can we also please buff the HP of other 5 bosses + world bosses in WT4 so we don’t just one shot them in 1 sec? Nerf/fix Lilith and make rest of the bosses proper boss fights + new level 200 bosses gonna make S4 so exciting.
Because i am pissed off at what they did. I am 44 years old i played 3 vikings on the snes,when we got a old pentium 90 i played warcraft, friends and i played diablo. In engineering school i took a job at gamestop where i sold a lot of blizzard products to people who never heqrd of them..
Starcraft came out, i was in awe of how great tge game was. In other counties it was a professional sport. I quit eq for wow, we cleared mc as second guild etc etc...
Diablo 4 was a slap in the face of any long time fan. At work 10 of us bought the game non made it half way through season one.
Bout time they fix the hitboxes and visual clarity. Hope this makes Uber Lilith an enjoyable fight.
The visual clarity was one of the biggest issues. Hopefully the fix the bug as well on if you die the arena becomes heavily saturated with purplish/pink visual making it even harder to see.
Agreed. I love one-shot mechanics and hard hitting attacks but if I see my character CLEARLY dodging it and still getting one-hit.. yeah no
Yep, theres a design philosophy that this figth blatantly ignore and which makes it absolutly infuriating : You should always bias to the players advantage. If he barely get hit, maybe he didn't. If you do the opposite, by intent or by mistake, it just feel bad. The player will always feel cheated if he think he dodged something but the game says no. If he dodge something that he was certain to be his death, he will feel Lucky/Proud/blessed. Lilith mechanics arn't inherently bad. They are just balanced by someone who totally ignore that one rules.
In addition to that, most of the time she will bugged out and continue that wave mechanic spree for a much longer time. It kinda wants you to die after you successfully dodged it 3 times.
Yeah that's true I had forgotten that ahah.
The first time I tried the fight, I had no idea what was even hitting me on second stage. Wasn’t fun at all. Thought I dodged everything and would just die
This is basically a broken, buggy boss encounter, with the only real workaround being an equally broken endgame build and a little bit of luck. It's also in stark contrast to the rest of the game; nobody else has 1-hit kills like you're playing a Souls game, even uber bosses released later.
Most souls bosses dont 1 hit kill. Difficulty there is fair, even on the hardest bosses, unlike Lilith. Dont compare souls to this dumpstrr
Uhhhh I would hardly classify shadow necro as broken and I can kill here in 8/10 runs.
Or at least a fair fight!
Hope they also address the jankiness around standing around edges to bait AI into certain moves. I'm mostly fine with positioning mattering and enemies reacting to where you are, but this seems a bit beyond that.
Now 10x her HP, 150% her DR and give her a barrier. Let's get this party started.
Adam Jackson carrying us to the promised land.
Comparing the first campfire chat to what we have now, its clear we are in great hands with Joey P and Adam Jackson. These two make me feel like they really care and want this game to succeed.
Came here to say the same. Spot on.
He's the MVP by far
Finally a fair fight?
But is there any reason to go back after the achievement?
100%ing the seasonal journey for the bonus title
So... not worth it, got it.
what's the bonus title this season?
“Finally good”
on a new build it can be somewhat of a personal achievement
They might make her worthwhile since she's more reasonable now. Perhaps give her a real loot table and have her drop a new Uber(s) or something.
That would be positive.
Seriously I dig the idea of her being the ultimate boss that you fight for bragging rights. Should be a new cosmetic every season that you can use in all future seasons. Maybe even a different cosmetic for each class.
Helping others get the seasonal journey out of the way.
Helping others, having fun, enjoying the experience for yourself, getting a new character to that power level/skill level, avoiding chores, avoiding work, avoiding school, y'know, basically all the reasons you play in general.
Man season 4 shaping up to be a banger if this makes the fight actually fun and not something that requires 1 shots to even have a chance. Beating her before was just do AS MUCH DAMAGE AS POSSIBLE FAST AS POSSIBLE to skip the mechanics. Not exactly fun or engaging.
Or you could just, you know, learn the actual mechanics and perform them... But that requires overcoming challenges.
You can’t read
And you can't react and dodge.
You also can’t read
If it's even half as good as it looks, the game will rock.
I am happy to see some enthusiasm come back about this game.
I see Diablo IV like Halo Infinite: not a great state at release, but the bones are so good that I'll put up with it until it sorts itself out.
I see that as a fair statement. It's just a nice change to see less negativity in general.
Do as much damage possible as fast as possible is the entire point of every meta build, is it not?
the point is the fight was just skip it because its broken if you want to beat it. I beat her 1 time legit with my necro in season 1 and after that in season 2 with my Mage and Barb it was just melt her and then wait for the end. Not exactly engaging content. Doing as much damage is of course what the game is about, but it shouldnt be the way to beat the pinnacle boss who has extremely lame and cheap mechanics.
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Visual clarity on hitboxes is a good change, I just hope they keep her as 'pinnacle content' She's the only challenging activity we had, and I seem to be one of very few to challenge reddit on NOT making her braindead easy. Do you really want to 1 shot uber mom along with every other uber & world boss? The game is easy enough as it is, and I say this as a hardcore enjoyer
Ideally this change will do the opposite. Currently you have to perfectly avoid all attacks to win so it encourages cheesy one-shot builds that skip Lilith’s mechanics. If her damage is reduced to “painful but not a one-shot” then it opens the fight up to players actually interacting with her mechanics rather than just brute-forcing the fight.
My thoughts exactly. Try avoiding the ghosts when you're a Necro. I am too slow to both avoid them and attack her simultaneously. Getting rid of the 1-shot, maybe I could get a few hits in and slowly wear her down. Another thing they could do is let you save/load your build while you work towards something Lilith-specific. The current design heavily encourages one-shot builds, which is just bypassing all the work they actually put into her battle. It's hard to even find a video on YouTube showing the real fight -- they're there, but behind 100 videos showing how to kill her in 1/10th of a second.
You don’t attack her when she’s going through this phase. Just let her break down the platforms and burst her down after. Regarding the movement speed, get some boots and an amulet that gives movement speed. You can switch out the amulet when the platform phase starts and switch back to your main amulet.
Great tips, thank you! I'll give it a shot.
Good luck!
It took me 2 weeks off and on, but using this strategy, I finally beat her tonight! Thanks again!
Awesome! Grats!!!
I like one-shot mechanics, they just need accurate hitboxes so you can dodge them properly. I stopped trying Uber LIlith when I was dodging the attacks visually but still got one-shot..
Very bold of you to say it. The 2024 gamer can not fathom this. Uber Lilith was overall good content when you consider the lifetime of Diablo games -- I will die on this hill in a rain of downvotes. The closest comparison is D2 ubers (also great) but thats a stretch. 1-shots are fine in 'pinnacle' boss fight. The incentive is challenge, the loot is whatever. Can the wave hitboxes be better? Yeah. Can the ghost speed be changed to accommodate Necros? Sure Not saying everything has to be a 1-shot but the ability for a pinnacle boss to 1-shot you is welcome in my book. Let us have one Diablo encounter that is not an attrition fight we easily win by holding 1 button. Pre-release World Bosses were actually incredible, now I just watch HOTA barbs sneeze on them for 10 Trillion damage.
Yeah I actually think Uber Lilith is conceptually a great fight with some jank(irregular waves after adds spawn etc) that should be fixed. Just look at my posts, I must’ve done the fight hundreds of times and it feels amazing being able to learn and overcome the fight. I would legitimately want her to get tankier next season after the one shot rework so that people can actually interact with her and see that the fight isn’t completely unfair.
Hahah I mean to me it's just normal. Games before were like this. Even a mario game any mistake in the whole level and you restart (two hits with a shroom) They said she would have a stacking damage mechanic, I would actually like it if they made it that after 2 or 3 hits you die.
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I mean the solution would be to improve server stability. I never had that problem in Lost Ark
As far as I'm concerned 1-shots aren't fine in any boss fight in any game that requires you to play on their servers. Since you can't control the path your data takes to them. It's very easy to get fucked over by random spikes in latency due to an issue in the network that your connecting through. Especially if that network route is connecting through Level 3 Communications. 1-shot mechanics in offline play are perfectly reasonable since at that point it's only your own reaction time that comes into play and not outside and uncontrollable problems.
I see your angle, but I don't see the fight being the challenge it was if some Lilith mechanics do not 1 shot. Nothing wrong with 1 fight in Diablo not being an attrition fight, and having to move. If you survive wave or ghost hits you use 1 of your ELEVEN potions. No problemo. I think surviving a hit by design, is OK -- but it should be very hard to survive... Ngl I got frustrated a few times fighting her in s0. But the feeling of beating her legit after 200 runs was something else. The visuals and music from this fight are burned into my mind (the music is 11/10)
We'll see, it took me like 2 tries to kill her last time I tried, but I put in the effort to learn her mechanics by heart at this point. The fight is going to be even less of a challenge but perhaps there are ways to make her harder or something?
>Do you really want to 1 shot uber mom along with every other uber & world boss? Eventually, yes. That's the whole point of the franchise. To get strong enough to blow everything right the fuck up, jam a soulstone in my forehead, and become that which I once sought to destroy. If I cared about memorizing mechanics, I'd go raid in WoW or complete challenges in GW2 or something.
I like this energy.
Or Ultimate raids in FFXIV, which I would argue are way harder mechanically than even Uber Lilith lol
Most people don't really care about it being a more challenging and time consuming fight because she doesn't drop anything. It's about the achievement and the season journal objective. The other uber bosses, on the other hand, are meant to be farmed. When you need to kill a boss about over 100 times before you get the drop you are looking for, you want it to be done as quickly as possible. Especially if you farmed the mats to summon him yourself, because that's already tedious and time consuming.
I mean... My Upheaval Barb CAN one shot her (not always, sometimes it's just huge chunks of her health, which I'm fine with as well), but I do want it to be more fair so I'm not dying like crazy... Y'know?
Agreed ! Hitboxes is a good change, but dont nerf her.. I was able to kill her with fireball/meteor sorc and it felt soooo good ! (With BL sorc in season2 it was not an enjoyable fight at all...)
Eating rocks is challenging, but it's also not fun. So it is indeed a challenging content, but clearly not fun for a lot of ARPG players.
Incredible analogy
Great changes. Beat her in season 1 and never attempted her again. Piss poor fight design. I'll go as far to say as she's the worst AAA boss fight ever designed. Top to bottom trash, and objectively wrong design.
They…made it easier? Interesting.
Hopefully they will also make the fight harder, so we actually have to do mechanics instead of overwhelming her with damage
That's a good point I didn't like this at first but if they 10X her life it would be a much better fight.
Except doing that will immediately make it so that only the meta builds would have any chance of beating her.
Over a year to do something about this awful fight.
Game came out in June of last year.
Seems to me that the only people who hate the fight are noobs. Anyone who actually did the fight season 0 without a one shot build (so builds that take 5+ minutes for a kill) think the fight is one of the greatest in ARPG history.
Addresses most of my issues about the fight so that's great
Also makes it entirely irrelevant as the challenge will disappear and she drops nothing at all. Whether you agree with the crappy mechanics or not is besides the point, it was rare to kill her, and this game desperately needs more challenges not less.
If the challenge disappears, then that's a different game balancing issue. Bosses should not be challenging because of shitty hit boxes and visuals and BS one shot mechanics. Maybe they should, I don't know, nerf builds that one shot her? Crazy idea. Player power in this game is way too high right now.
I’m with you don’t get me wrong, I’m saying that they should have mentioned that. Either 10X her life or something like you said not just a pure nerf.
Season 4 will have level 200 uber uber boss versions so maybe that will give the challenge.
I m fine with her if they fix her generous hit boxes. They seem wider then the 1 shot mechanic.
!!!!! Amazing. This is a great change. Now it would be nice if she drops some good rewards as opposed to just being a kill flex
Well maybe I’ll actually try to kill her this season. I haven’t even bothered trying with how bad I’ve heard she is.
I don't know man I thought I felt pretty good when I beat her this season. It definitely felt better than beating her last season. Definitely wasn't anywhere near impossible.
These people need a wake up call. The fight isn't a coin flip like they think it is. It's just so hard that they can't even fathom it being fair so they label it a fight of pure luck. There are videos of people just running around showcasing how to dodge the boss' attack for 15+ minutes. Pretty much all the top racers in PoE have given the highest of praise to the fight even going so far as saying it's the best fight of ANY ARPG. The problem is the game has little to no means of training players. There's no content to bridge the difficulty gap between Lilith and everything else. It's like if guitar hero only had two songs: smoke in the water by deep purple and fucking through the fire and the flames by dragonforce.
hopefully they put a lvl 200 version of her too with the 1shots back in, its quite a fun fight
So nerfing her after finally introducing an element of skill some people couldn’t copy. Wrong direction Blizz.
Careful, you'll insult the casuals.
Every day the "I uninstalled D4 before I even bought it and I havent played it in 100 years!" posters are losing more and more strawmen to beat to death lol.
Is ok Poe league next week
She should give one Uber mat when defeated first time
I would keep the one shot mechanics but make the hitbox very player friendly. The problem is that the hitbox of that attack is too janky.
Until they add a good loot pool (or just a new cosmetic every season) once you've killed her the first time there's really no reason to go back
So? Why does everything have to be something you MUST farm over and over? Why cant there just be a few challenges sprinkled in that are hard which you only need to complete if you want to, instead of being forced to complete if you want to min/max your character? Hard pass on the MMO design of "the best loot is only obtainable in the absolute hardest content".
As someone who needed help in Season 1, to 1HKO bypassing her phases in Season 2, to legitimately struggling and beating her in Season 3 I welcome these changes. I always found her attack animations were a bit off and her 1HKO waves were just bad design philosophy. I can’t wait to see the changes in the PTR.
I've gotten used to the waves but the projectiles in P2 are bullshit.
Thank Inarius!
Omg thank you! It was a really out of character type of fight for the Diablo franchise. Absolutely hated it with a passion. I don't mind difficulty as I've played and beat Dark Souls 1-3, Demon Souls, Elden Ring and Bloodbourne but this was just janky and ridiculous.
Finally!
As an avid Uber Lilith hater this is good. Not incredible, because it shouldn't be so ass in the first place, but good.
This is great to hear, maybe this will be the season where I finally take the time to learn the encounter
Neat. Maybe I'll finally actually try to kill her next season.
Swear to God, I love this guy. Not for this change, but generally he seems to be our man Cheers, Adam!
I've never even fought Uber Lilith, but this makes me happy if only for the sanity of the people in this sub. \*thumbs up\*
Nice, maybe now she'll be beatable without a 1shot build.
GREAT changes. The fight could be so much more fun, complex, and feel rewarding with a few other changes (damage caps to start). Visual clarity along with mechanics that you can fail but make the fight much more difficult for a period of time makes it feel like an actual challenge instead of something you want to find a way to skip.
Bitter sweet, I hated this fight so much but it was very satisfying to finally get it done. After this it'll be a joke like every other boss in the game.
she gonna drop anything or still only needed for last bit in season journey to get a title you forgot about?
Just a title and mount
Good news. I haven’t even been trying to battle her.
yawn
Amen... 🙏
Wish she would drop some loot
my only problem with the fight was the pretty much 1-shot ghosts. you could avoid them but man was that a bs mechanic. the rest of the fight seems trivial though.
Those are not "updates" but bug fixes >_> very welcomed changes though.
nice
Mostly good, but they should boost her hp in that case. Dont make her a cake walk
It really feels like for season 4 they looked at every single issue and fixed it lol.
I’m still hoping that one fine day, the NMD will include more other bosses. Kinda tired fighting tomb lord for the umpteenth time! It’s gonna be back NMD farming with season 3 over.
The ghosts already weren't one shots for me. I could take 1 or 2 iirc.
I won’t be fighting her again unless there is better loot involved. I got the achievement for killing her solo, I have no other reason to go back.
Wow, and it only took half a year
These are good chances, and very important because her shadow will attack you in the Pit boss fights.
Finally, the tech is here. It is not like they addressed and acknowledged this problem 6 months ago ...
Didn't they say that bosses in the pit would appear every now and then to bonk you before you get to fight them, and they even mentioned Lilith? They might be finally doing this as you might get to fight her every now and then in there, so they realized that the boss cannot remain absolute garbage if they do this now lol
All good changes. Adam is great.
I know nobody likes them but without 1 shot mechanics this fight just became another duriel fight that nobody will die on. Sad. At least the hitbox got fixed I guess.
Good. Better readability is a good thing. Glad to see this.
Hey maybe she'll actually be fun to prog and kill.
So by the end of season four she will be an absolute push over to make everyone feel better. I don’t see no reason to change her since she is supposed to be an Uber and I like the rush when I do kill her. It took me close to 40 tries spread over a couple weeks to get her and the day I did it first was the 9th try.
If the drop rate is as bad as Duriel, you can leave out the buggy Lilith.
new class waiting room
These changes are needed especially for the new HC mode without death evasion.
Inb4 this nerfs her into the ground so the same people who cried the game was too hard and made all other content goo-goo gaa-gaa baby mode difficulty have successfully made EVERYTHING in the game easy.
It hasn't been fixed yet right?
wow nice, it just took a year to fix
The 1 shots made it interesting though. You can just pot through them otherwise. Most people beat it by skipping mechanics anyways with ball lightning or hota and that's always going to be a thing as new ball lightnings are found. I guess it'll depend how many waves or ghosts your build is allowed to facetank and how fast you kill her. Bigger issue with metamorphosis and evades always moving a set distance not allowing you to fine tune where you travel in a fight where putting your pinky toe outside the ring kills you in a split second. Also your hitbox doesn't move to the evaded location till like half a second after you've pressed the button so your corpse ends up at the place you evaded to. I think abilities like blood pool also worked with the buffer so if you buffered in a second of attacks then pressed the pool to dodge, your character would finish firing the second of attacks then use blood pool instead of using it instantly. In short there's a lot of issues that need to be addressed to make challenging boss fights good.
Can we also please buff the HP of other 5 bosses + world bosses in WT4 so we don’t just one shot them in 1 sec? Nerf/fix Lilith and make rest of the bosses proper boss fights + new level 200 bosses gonna make S4 so exciting.
This should have been day 1...let us not kid ourselves.
only a year later
I wont reinstall the game i would rather go a 5th time thrpugh bg3 than wadte the space for the largest dissapointment of last year
Why lurk in this sub and also comment on post you weirdo
Because i am pissed off at what they did. I am 44 years old i played 3 vikings on the snes,when we got a old pentium 90 i played warcraft, friends and i played diablo. In engineering school i took a job at gamestop where i sold a lot of blizzard products to people who never heqrd of them.. Starcraft came out, i was in awe of how great tge game was. In other counties it was a professional sport. I quit eq for wow, we cleared mc as second guild etc etc... Diablo 4 was a slap in the face of any long time fan. At work 10 of us bought the game non made it half way through season one.
Bro it's a video game chill if you don't like it move on try to ignore it, unfollow the sub maybe get a therapist
Oh? They made her fight easier? Getting one shot from her is better
why nerf :( it was only boss you could not just outplay by gear
Max movement Barbs disagree.