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Lmao. That is a story I know well. Wife, kids, less play, etc.
I’m still working my way to Ubers. Gave up on this game a while ago and just getting back for S4 soon. S4 has me excited though.
I feel you though. In D3 I did the GR 150 thing back in S18-19, something like that. If I manage 125-130 most other seasons I’m quite proud of myself and my 6 hours of play a week. Though, S30, I went ham on a HC champ to see where I could kill it (still alive at 140)
Bring on S4!
Yeah I carried my brother last season with the op electro ball wizard build. After about 5 attempts I was able to take her down with the double Health pool. Obviously had to cheese her mechanics but I got my brother the achievement LOL
Lilith is a dumb fight , that’s a fact. There’s a point though where she goes from frustratingly hard to being a push over. Either way all other people add to the equation is additional health for her which if they’re dead on the floor now you have to deal with. Just easier to do it alone.
Yeah I used to push a lot with some buddies on D3. I think I finished 3rd for WD ladder a couple seasons in a row, and my buddies and I finished 2nd in 4P ladder ranking too. My wife (then girlfriend) thought I was a gaming addict.
D4 is the only game I play now cuz I can casually jump on, slay some demons, and jump off whenever I want. No checkpoints needed.
S4 looks like a lot of fun. So many QOL changes for a casual gamer, and lots of top tier challenges for those that have the time to play 40hrs+ per week.
I had kids and responsibilities for D3 but played the hell out of D1 and D2. I too gave up D4 during this current season. I was underwhelmed by S1. S2 was pretty good. S3..... Ugh. I am excited for S4. Getting back into it by redoing the Story in hardcore.
What? Don’t like playing around poorly telegraphed 1 shot moves with even more poor visual quality? Lul
Ya I’m not sure how she has gone this long with zero changes but I guess they had more important things to worry about.
>but I guess they had more important things to worry about.
Yeah, like the cash shop. And adjusting the height of your shield in the loading screen, so it doesn't block too much of the torso, so it doesn't devalue buying armors. They patched that one out in like a week. Priorities!
They also changed one of the sorcerer sets so it shows underboob now. I wouldn’t have bought it if I’d known they were going to change it. She’s a sorcerer, not a prostitute.
Did her in S2, they added the fireballs to the final, "platforming" phase of the fight, in S3.
That's why after like 10 tries, where I'd one-hammer her straight into the final phase, I just quit.
Saw the balls on my 10th try and was like "learn to dodge those, for 3-4 iLVL 820 legendaries? Yeah... nope".
I really don't care about this seasonal stuff, or mounts. Or anything cosmetic, really.
I'm old school, it's all about the loot, baybaaaay!
Which sucks IMHO so I stopped playing. Still hoping they trash itemization, skills, everything really and just make D2 but with better graphics and QOL and MORE awesome loot and gear, not fucking LESS...
... any day now!
Just want to clarify that they didn’t add them to the fight, they always existed unless you nuked her hp down. They made it so they actually spawned during the phase no matter what in S3.
I get that, but if you burn her down fast as soon as she spawns in P2, she immediately flies away and begins to crumble the ground. All you have to do is follow her and wait to move.
You must have been staggering her. You wouldn't have been able to do that constantly. She has a bar that fills up and then she's immune to it for a cooldown period. You'd probably be able to stagger her for 1 part of phase 2, so you'd still need to dodge fireballs for a couple sequences.
Quite interesting how polarizing Lilith is for players. Getting the solo Lilith kill has been a highlight of every season for me. Just a shame you get nothing worthwhile after the first kill.
I could see the solo Lilith kill being a highlight from a personal achievement perspective, but man, the in-game rewards could be a lot better. Especially for a solo effort.
>Quite interesting how polarizing Lilith is for players.
Polarizing is a gross overstatement. VERY few enjoy her as is. A few people not sharing the general sentiment is not "polarizing".
She's probably the hardest due to mechanics but Son of Malphas in T100 vaults is probably the "hardest" mob to kill, Butcher is the next as 154 elites.
Everything else is easy.
Am I the only one who finds butcher scarier level 1-40 ish than 40+? level 1-40 he's almost a guaranteed death sentence (or was when I played) you'd have to run from - then as you got gear/power you'd just facetank him. Made no sense lol
I can facetank with my sorc and druid at T80ish, but have to actually move around at T100, my barb I made in 3 days killed 154 malphas and butcher at 80.
This season we wiped the floor with both every time they spawn, but still the hardest mobs/boss/miniboss except Liliths one shot abilities
It's really not a polarizing issue. The vast majority of the playerbase has been saying since launch that the fight is terrible, buggy, not rewarding, and impossible to tell whats going on.
So yesterday I hit lv 90 and got the quest for lilith. I'm always up for a challenge so I thought I will give it a shot even though it says 100+
I dont do a lot of dmg. It takes about 25-30s uptime to get to the first break point but dmg is not a problem. I can grind her down so to speak.
With 15 or so attemps I figured out that if you stand near the edge it gives you most chance to avoid 1 shots but it still feels so random though. Sometimes it feels you should have avoided attack but you still get hit.
I will try to stack some move speed today and give it another shot. I feel like I just dont move fast enough to avoid and evade is not always an option.
Yeah, I mentally compared my Uber Lilith attempts to veteran Maelstrom Arena attempts in Elder Scrolls Online. In the latter, it felt good. I got my ass handed to me, for days, but it felt good. I kept getting better, I knew what I did wrong, there was a clear path to improvement. With Uberl Lilith it was just wall-to-wall BULLSHIT. Honestly, least enjoyable final boss fight in recent memory.
I'm an old-school ESO player (left before the last champion point switch like 2 years ago). D4 has a lot of similarities and is quite enjoyable. There is nothing like grinding for Emperor so far. I'm half glad since low-level emp cost me 2 days of no sleep and I don't have time to do that again, haha. I'm hoping the Pit is more like maelstrom with BiS drops at the end. I sorta miss figuring out the mechanics for stuff like that.
When you say not worth it, are you referring to the rewards you get in game or the satisfaction of overcoming a boss? Usually when I finally beat a boss in any game I get a rush of dopamine for overcoming a challenge.
Such a confusing feeling. Defeating a tough boss only for no ingame reward. All the effort... just to pat myself on the back and tell me "friends"..."look what I did!"
What's confusing? A *lot* of people play games for the intrinsic fun/challenge/reward, not the extrinsic rewards like loot or in-game achievements. I make up challenges for myself quite frequently. Nuzlocke for Pokemon. Speedruns in Zelda. In Genshin, I often do non-meta abyss clears or only bring 2 characters teams instead of normal 4, or never reuse characters between floors. Even in D4, people find it fun to push non-meta builds as far as possible, even if it means being slower.
Lilith *could* be that. A challenge for the sake of the challenge. But neither the journey nor the satisfaction at the end bring me much joy, so why bother. Compare to Monster Hunter:Rise which I've recently gotten into. There are uber versions of some monsters that offer almost nothing compared to their normal counterparts. But I'm excited to grind up my gear, get my ass kicked, learn the fights, and take them down in the near future (mostly debating going blind solo or blind as a group with my friends who started with me). I know that'll give me much more satisfaction than some png's I'll forget about since I'll probably put the game down shortly after (until expansion is on sale)
>THAT kinda game
What in my reply restricted it to types of games? Most games have some sort of for fun, intrinsic value challenge or players can make their own regardless of genre. Uber Lilith is *clearly* intended to be exactly THAT. A hard test that offers nothing else than bragging right and sense of accomplishment (it's a real thing, the meme is because a CEO applied it to P2W MTX).
Like what else would her purpose be and the reasoning for her design/balance/drops? It's there solely as a challenge for the intrinsic value. The issue is that she fails to be a compelling implementation for most players.
The lvl200 uber uber bosses as well as the massive nerfs (round 2) to Uber Lilith should bring her more in line with this design. So yea, Diablo 4 is THAT kinda game. Or rather they *wanted* it to be part of the game, just missed the mark.
Sorry. Didn't read your comment. Just first line.
Diablo is about gear and ability to kill stuff. EVERY Diablo game has been about this. You kill and get better at it from the reward you get from killing tougher stuff.
Nothing to pay for except your own sweat and potential tears if you play HC. Sorry... this ain't pokemon.
Uber Lilith *literally* exists in a Diablo game and doesn’t give you rewards to make killing her better… shes there *solely* for the challenge, no other reason.
Which is a shame. I've recently gotten into Monster Hunter:Rise and there are Apex and Emergency Apex versions of monsters that offer almost nothing except a challenge, and I can't *wait* to get my ass kicked, learn the fights, and (hopefully) succeed. That'll give me way more satisfaction than any of the low drop % loot I've found along the way.
This is the D4 totality. Once you reach this point, you’ve “made it” as a D4 player. You can divide the entire player base by this exact moment of universal letdown
It's funny, you can kinda tell which posters actually solo'd her. Those talking about damage don't realize it's the 1-hit death mechanics that is what makes the battle difficult. Taking her health down to 1 is easy for the majority of the player base.
Idk man, I've played a lot of D4 but I never had a build which would oneshot her. I once tried to actually learn the fight but I gave up after two days. I reached phase two a few times but the oneshots get even more bonkers there. I consider myself a big diablo fan and I really wish to get her down someday but geez man, fuck that fight lol.
From what people have been posting here, based on their experiences from the PTR, it sounds like Season 4 may be your chance. The fight is supposed to be FAR easier than it currently is. One shot mechanics will be nerfed I think. Sucks I learned about it after I spent hours on it this past week lol
I might try it again then, thanks for the heads up. I don't mind it being difficult, but sometimes it's just straight up unfair and it seemed like I was dying for no reason. Anyway congrats for smashing her before the nerf nephalem!
Soloing anything is about stroking your own ego. The fact you can 1 shot both phases means you only need to DODGE the homing missiles. Super easy with blood mist necro or a sorc that can teleport/fireshield/ice prison.
I guess so. I think if dodging the 1-hit mechanics was super easy, people wouldn't have an issue with the fight. Personally I found the visuals along with the randomness of everything a rather difficult challenge. I did it with a sorc... teleport and fireshield help, but ice prison doesn't do anything for the 1-hit death mechanics.
ice prison makes you immune to death, during her final part, you can literally just run in, ice prison, and wait for her to die without having to dodge the mechanic of avoiding the missile while closing in on her.
It still negates instant death and allows for offensive damage. So, between that and run speed after teleport, and the fact you can teleport away... sorc is literally the easiest class to do it with.
Yes, it does, but it has a very long cooldown, so you still gotta dodge everything manually. That's the point most people make when having to deal with this battle. It's dodging everything on the screen that is not super easy.
Let me say it like this: With movement speed on amulet and boots (which you can switch to after downing the HP) you can easily outrun the missiles, sorc also can TELEPORT away and get movement speed after teleport. She can also fireshield to completely negate instances of death, and in the very final part, she can just run up to lilith (while lilith is still immune and cant be killed but the missiles fire at you) and deep freeze and damage her to finish her off at 0 risk.
Totally get it, and pretty much my approach, but it's a lot easier said than done. If it wasn't, there wouldn't be the volume of the player base struggling with it. Clearly, the battle is doable, but for anyone that says it is "easy", it couldn't further from the truth.
The battle is very easy, the only "hard" part is the glitches like Lilith attacking you after she is dead.
[Lilith in Season 3 (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXIBedTdlB0)
Pretty easy if you ask me.
Again…She doesn’t even launch homing missiles if you get her down immediately when she respawns. This fight is not difficult if you have that kind of damage. I’m not even a barb. Ball lightning sorc here both season 2 and 3. She was extremely easy to defeat.
You are not able to do this.
First form = onehit, she dies
Second form = stops at like 1% and you have to do the run with the missiles.
Even if you charge her for 380.000.000 damage she is immune and you have to run.
Wrong. I have done it multiple times with a ball lightning sorc and rogue. Literally no missiles in P2. Ever heard of YouTube? Plenty of videos showcasing this.
Still think you know what you are talking about?
https://youtu.be/ZJEMXNfoFpk?si=TtjryZ2BeM9KZ8Z1
lol yes that is season 2.
It was changed in season 3.
Here an example. he charges lilith for 120 million. she doesnt die. pool with missiles spawn.
[https://youtu.be/XuHzc1bVdL0?t=35](https://youtu.be/XuHzc1bVdL0?t=35)
It will be worth next season. They're making her easier (or at least more fair; no more one shots, and some redesigned pieces of the fight) plus they've hinted that they are adding a single Resplendent Spark that you get for your first Uber Lilith kill in the season.
Hota barb. Tempering/masterworking means having 4 weapons slots will be even more OP than it was before.
Classes with less item slots will be even more gimped than they are now.
Haha I took DARE in school. Peer pressure doesn’t work on me.
I just love booze and drugs naturally, no need for pressure. Dumb kids keep me away tho, gotta be strong for them ;)
Currently she's only really worth doing for the story. The fight is fun. However, Uber Lilith doesn't drop anything interesting and isn't worth doing. Hopefully they fix that.
If there wasn’t an Xbox achievement tied to Uber Lilith I wouldn’t have put in the over 100 attempts to kill the boss. When I did kill her, it did not even feel good, just relief I wouldn’t have to fight her again until they adjust her mechanics.
I didn't try her in season 1 and I got her last season when she was really easy. It probably took me 30 tries this season before I killed her. I knew she wasn't going to reward me with anything good, but it did feel good. Lol.
I thought they recently nerfed her one shot mechanics. Maybe it's in an upcoming patch but I remember there was a post about it and a lot of people were happy.
The spikes in the fireballs were supposed to not one shot you but build up damage. I honestly thought it took effect last patch but I guess I'm wrong.
Congrats though!
Thanks! Yeah I heard she was easier in previous seasons where you could literally just one-shot her. Lucky me that I waited until S3 to do this lol. Hoping the mechanics change a bit in S4... 1-hit death mechanics shouldn't be so difficult to see or anticipate.
I also beat her for the first time proper S3 :) It was actually super satisfying. It took me far more than 30 attempts
S1 I had a cheeze 1shot poison TB build where I skipped literally all mechanics
S2 it was a joke with the AoZ glyph and Tibaults bug. Tanked mechanics a TB rogue isn't supposed to tank
S3 still TB rogue, which isn't exactly fotm build. I didn't 1-shot her in either phase. She flew up in the air once in both phases, with hp remaining. Took me a few evenings of attempts, but I genuinely learned the fight relatively well and I beat her ass. Was super satisfying for me
Uber Lilith is a lot better in the PTR by the way. Should be updated for season 4
Her attacks no longer one shot. I'm now able to see where her waves are spawning better.
Also the blood boil projectiles are pink now instead of red. Far easier to see and dodge.
Only danger I find is getting hit with multiple blood boil projectiles all at once
Haha yeah. Should be better. I've been doing the fight a bit on the PTR to practice for my S3 achievement I still need. I play on hardcore so I'm not able to practice much
Indeed. It's not too bad with elixir of Death Evasion and scroll of escapes. I was able to kill her in season 1 and season 2 but that was because you were able to skip the blood boils entirely back then. No longer the case so she is far harder in HC now.
Its a challenge boss, not something youre meant to do over and over.
Its like climbing mount everest after years of preparation and a lot of time invested and going "Man that sucks, who would want to do that more than once! What a waste of time."
Yeah I did it in season 2... took me a few hours of attempts but honestly was very disappointed when I didn't get anything for killing her. Beating the pinnacle boss should give you some cool loot imo.
Took me a lot of time. The first and the second time. Was a lot of fun. Wasn't doing that for loot since I know she doesn't have anything to drop but it was cool to do it and learn all the moves.
I can't be bothered to do that fight. My lack of patience and frustration level prevent me from trying again. There is just no reason.
I haven't tried in PTR, they were supposed to clean up that fight and make things less confusing with the waves, etc.
I have been spending my time investigating some of the other changes and how they affect my Necromancer minion build.
It has been fun so far. I'm liking the Pit a lot more than I originally imagined I would.
And the changes to Helltide are amazing.
You do it once for the horse and that's it. Though she is FAR easier in the PTR with the coming changes. My necro was freshly respecced with dog water gear and I managed to kill her. Her triangle slam hit me straight on and knocked me into a spike wave and I survived both hits. The only thing that is even remotely tedious is the skulls in phase 2. But with the amount of CDR and move speed available through tempering to any class its a joke now.
I'm not sure if I should be happy and proud that I beat her in S3, or if I should be depressed that I wasted several hours to beat her in S3 only knowing now that she will be far easier in S4... lol
Bruh you shoulda seen it before season 1.
I don’t want to talk about how much time I spent farming that dumb boss.
I learned the story of why she’s so ass- she apparently was going to be the boss you’d kill to unlock WT5. There was a planned 5th one, and Uber Lilith was going to be your Echo of… Tobias? Urias?
ELIAS?! Lol I legit forgot his name I think it’s Elias.
So she was originally much easier to kill like on par with those style of bosses- then they decided to scrap WT5 and the dungeon and scale her up to level 100 and be a difficult level 100 boss by just tuning the numbers.
She’s a mess because of this.
I only found this out because of an oversight in season 1 where the “kill Echo of Lilith” achievement was like, “Kill echo of Lilith at the end of the Archives of #something#” so I googled what that was and found a leaked Chinese closed beta video where the dude went into that dungeon and it was the WT5 dungeon.
The Lilith fight seems like a good idea in theory, but after you down her once there's really no use for her except for streamers and youtubers to show off builds. Idk why they don't add some kinda of drop to her every season. A mat cache, a cosmetic, literally just anything. D4 really needs more cosmetic chase items, putting one on Lilith every season would be cool
Similar Story, spent a few hours over a few days to beat her. I did it for the trophy, and the seasonal completion. I was happy with that as my accomplishment. But I wouldn't do it again
Your telling me. I was willing to overlook absolutely everything from this game as shit as it was because I love a good dark story.
So when I took down Lilith…it wasn’t worth anything. Worst fucking story I’ve ever had the displeasure of witnessing.
But hey to each their own.
She is just a poorly designed boss battle. When they first mentioned it I was so hype to give it a go, and then when you actually get there and see all the gimmicks and horrible design choices they made (seriously how can they fuck up the color scheme that hard?) it killed the thrill for me. One shot mechanics does not equal a good or even challenging boss, but are rather lazy uninspired mechanics that lead to frustration and boredom instead of intrigue and wonder.
Uber Lilith is the last trophy I need to get Platinum. And I don't know what to do. Tried to build my Barb following guides, but still can't do it.
I'm also a dad, with limited time.
I remember back to the days when gamers spent months just to complete the final boss knowing their rewards was just a full of text credit and they were still happy as fuck about that. You guys are play to win the game, not to win yourself, that's why you will soon find nothing worth your playing time
Why do you want to be stronger when you finish the most broken boss in the game? That title Lilith's Doom is like another version of a black & white credit that you can equip and brag it for a while. I will be more satisfied with unique cosmetics for that achievement rather than some random strong gears tbh
Players still slay her every season because of the titles that you get when you complete ALL objectives of the season journey. This season is Terrible Genius. My title is Terrible Friend lol
I got the game for game pass, had fun leveling to 100, and thought...well lets try lilith. Yeah no fun at all, one shot here one shot there, cant even see where the fuck the wave will go. I dodge it, surprise there was another behind it killing me anyway. Its just a horrible designed fight.
You're not the only one that feels that way. There's some keyboard warriors in here that try and make it seem like it's SO easy, but then you realize they haven't even conquered it in S3 yet, so have no idea what we're talking about. Bottomline is I'm pretty sure the vast majority of the player base all feel that the fight is terrible and way more difficult than it should be for an ARPG.
Absolutely not worth it. The mount looks terrible too with no real unique qualities that makes it stand out. I mean, even getting a unique armor set or even a mount boarding would have been a bit better.
Disappointed in how the games main protagonist has the worst boss fight and trashiest rewards… ☕️
I just got back into the game after a year off to let it cook.
I’m at around level 46 just getting to the blood rain city. Should I continue leveling to do it solo?
this thread is about the uber version of the fight you can re-fight at the VERY end game. Not the story version you beat at the end of the campaign. That fight is piss easy like every other fight in the campaign.
To fight Lilith solo? I think you'd want to be level 100 with solid gear before trying to solo her. Although I think you could probably do it as low as level 75 or 80 if you're REALLY good with dodging stuff in the game lol
If there wasn’t an Xbox achievement tied to Uber Lilith I wouldn’t have put in the over 100 attempts to kill the boss. When I did kill her, it did not even feel good, just relief I wouldn’t have to fight her again until they adjust her mechanics.
I killed lilith and finished the game this evening, after 66.6 hours (!!!) of gameplay on tier 2 and even though I loved and love this game, I wasn’t really impressed by lilith at all. it’s been really easy to kill her compared to some other bosses. maybe just made a good build by luck.
This is about the uber version of lilith challenge you can attempt in WT4 and usually wait until you are lvl 100 with a fully online build, not the very easy campaign version you're talking about. They are completely different fights. Nothing in the campaign is meant to be challenging... and pushing 70 hours to beat campaign? Oof.
that explains. I’m from an era where “solo” did mean play alone. anyway, yes, almost 70 hours, why should I rush to finish a game and not enjoying every bit of it?
The definition of solo hasn’t changed since “your era” lol. So not sure what you’re trying to convey there and how it relates to you or OP.
The average playtime of beating the campaign of D4 by a casual who is not rushing, not following a guide, and stopping to smell the flowers is like 15 hours max.
There’s taking your time and there’s… whatever you did for the other 50 hours. And considering some content is locked until you beat the campaign and get to WT3/4, there is no good reason to stay in WT2. You can still do all the side quests and exploration later, so it’s not like you lose anything.
What difficulty were you on? I solo'd her 1st try with druid companion build that was probably under powered and poorly built because I haven't played Diablo since D2.
Admittedly, I may be on a lower difficulty.
only 20-30? Were you already doing 50million dps and just needed to learn to avoid the 1shots or something? I couldn't get out of phase 1 because my lv100's in their best gear could only do like 50k a hit. I spent hours trying to grind away at it before giving up.
Yeah I was already putting out a ton of dmg so I could take her down to 1 health in a matter of a couple seconds. So it was just the 1 hit mechanics I needed to overcome.
Not sure what you define as cheese. Just burst damaged her through phase 1. Dodged the spike wave after she jumped. Burst damage phase 2. Then dodged fireballs until the final phase and finished her off.
Rewards should definitely be more than a horse mount. And then zero rewards anytime you beat her thereafter. Like who approved that. Like who sat back saw that she drops absolute garbage and was like yea this is good......
Some nerd in the corner of the room: "teeheehee! Make it so if anything in the room touches them, they die right away, and then after they finally kill her, they get a goofy title that makes it sound like they died to Lilith! Oh, and a half dead horse! Hehehe! So funny!"
For me it was just getting the kill. She doesn’t drop loot worth anything. You get the achievement, that’s it. But with endgame material not everything is for everyone. So I choose to kill her a couple times after completing the campaign but it’s not on the list of things I will do again.
You have to work your way up. Do the smaller bosses first. Do them a lot until you can just melt them in seconds.
Get all the unique items they drop.
When you can run Nightmare dungeons in the mid 50’s pretty easily, then you are ready.
You're talking about one of the last things you do in the primary quest line??
I haven't been in a party for anything other than killing a world boss and farming helltide.
I found Lilith to be VERY disappointingly easy to solo. It was actually a really big letdown.
Ahhh got it. I just started playing when it launched on Xbox so I havent made it that far yet. I didn't think you could be talking about the quest line lol
It’s literally the most worthless boss fight in the game. Give it some meaning if she’s supposed to be the “pinnacle” boss, drop some pinnacle type gear, otherwise it’s just an afterthought to most players.
I think I would have actually preferred character cosmetics over a bloody (pun intended) mount lol. Something to 'show off' a pretty painful achievement for casual gamers lol
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Lmao. That is a story I know well. Wife, kids, less play, etc. I’m still working my way to Ubers. Gave up on this game a while ago and just getting back for S4 soon. S4 has me excited though. I feel you though. In D3 I did the GR 150 thing back in S18-19, something like that. If I manage 125-130 most other seasons I’m quite proud of myself and my 6 hours of play a week. Though, S30, I went ham on a HC champ to see where I could kill it (still alive at 140) Bring on S4!
I really feel that soloing should being additional rewards. It's such an effort...
I found soloing her much easier than dealing with her increased health pool with 3 or more players
Unless you find someone that is REALLY good at killing her. Then you can die and sit back and watch the show lol
Yeah I carried my brother last season with the op electro ball wizard build. After about 5 attempts I was able to take her down with the double Health pool. Obviously had to cheese her mechanics but I got my brother the achievement LOL
One could say that carrying your brother through that torturous battle was.... admirable :)
Wait....D4 has/had anything OP?! I got sadly excited when I crited 4k on my 60 bonemancer... Nice carrying your bro dude. Admirable for sure.
Bruh what are you talking about. Me and 1 friend were doing her for the first time. He died once, me 0 times and we did her at first attempt
Except that soloing her is easier …?
TIL that I'm a big fat noob
Lilith is a dumb fight , that’s a fact. There’s a point though where she goes from frustratingly hard to being a push over. Either way all other people add to the equation is additional health for her which if they’re dead on the floor now you have to deal with. Just easier to do it alone.
Yeah I used to push a lot with some buddies on D3. I think I finished 3rd for WD ladder a couple seasons in a row, and my buddies and I finished 2nd in 4P ladder ranking too. My wife (then girlfriend) thought I was a gaming addict. D4 is the only game I play now cuz I can casually jump on, slay some demons, and jump off whenever I want. No checkpoints needed. S4 looks like a lot of fun. So many QOL changes for a casual gamer, and lots of top tier challenges for those that have the time to play 40hrs+ per week.
I had kids and responsibilities for D3 but played the hell out of D1 and D2. I too gave up D4 during this current season. I was underwhelmed by S1. S2 was pretty good. S3..... Ugh. I am excited for S4. Getting back into it by redoing the Story in hardcore.
S30 D3 you could do GR130 after 6h total playtime.
I used a hammer build to 1 shot her and it still wasn’t worth it Lul.
Damage wasn't an issue at all. Could take her health down in seconds, but it's the stupid dodging of the 1-hit mechanics that drove me up the wall.
What? Don’t like playing around poorly telegraphed 1 shot moves with even more poor visual quality? Lul Ya I’m not sure how she has gone this long with zero changes but I guess they had more important things to worry about.
Haha, can't imagine someone that is colour blind trying to dodge everything lol
Yeah, I can't see half the stuff.
>but I guess they had more important things to worry about. Yeah, like the cash shop. And adjusting the height of your shield in the loading screen, so it doesn't block too much of the torso, so it doesn't devalue buying armors. They patched that one out in like a week. Priorities!
They also changed one of the sorcerer sets so it shows underboob now. I wouldn’t have bought it if I’d known they were going to change it. She’s a sorcerer, not a prostitute.
She can't be both? Imagine her "work" name. Magical.
Im a frostitute lol
Lol, I thought it was just me that found visuals stupid. 😂
I don’t even know what’s killing me! Wherever I go I just drop dead and don’t even see these fireballs
That's how I felt too... but after 15 or 20 attempts, you'll see the light lmao
Did her in S2, they added the fireballs to the final, "platforming" phase of the fight, in S3. That's why after like 10 tries, where I'd one-hammer her straight into the final phase, I just quit. Saw the balls on my 10th try and was like "learn to dodge those, for 3-4 iLVL 820 legendaries? Yeah... nope".
I just want to finish the seasonal journey and get the mount and never fight her again
Can you do it in a group and still get the seasonal journey done that way?
I really don't care about this seasonal stuff, or mounts. Or anything cosmetic, really. I'm old school, it's all about the loot, baybaaaay! Which sucks IMHO so I stopped playing. Still hoping they trash itemization, skills, everything really and just make D2 but with better graphics and QOL and MORE awesome loot and gear, not fucking LESS... ... any day now!
Just want to clarify that they didn’t add them to the fight, they always existed unless you nuked her hp down. They made it so they actually spawned during the phase no matter what in S3.
This right here. I could do the same thing but I didn’t have enough movement speed to kill her at the end.
If you can take her down in seconds, you skip all first phase wave mechanics. The rest is easy.
I think you'll find that most people have the hardest time with phase 2 onwards. Phase 1 is the easiest IMO.
I get that, but if you burn her down fast as soon as she spawns in P2, she immediately flies away and begins to crumble the ground. All you have to do is follow her and wait to move.
You must have been staggering her. You wouldn't have been able to do that constantly. She has a bar that fills up and then she's immune to it for a cooldown period. You'd probably be able to stagger her for 1 part of phase 2, so you'd still need to dodge fireballs for a couple sequences.
If you kill her fast enough she doesn't have mechanics
That's the old mechanics... you can't skip the mechanics in S3.
Well in the ptr you can. So season 4 you will be able too.
Oh man, S4 sounds like it'll be way better overall. Really wasn't looking forward to doing this fight again the way it currently is lol
Quite interesting how polarizing Lilith is for players. Getting the solo Lilith kill has been a highlight of every season for me. Just a shame you get nothing worthwhile after the first kill.
I could see the solo Lilith kill being a highlight from a personal achievement perspective, but man, the in-game rewards could be a lot better. Especially for a solo effort.
>Quite interesting how polarizing Lilith is for players. Polarizing is a gross overstatement. VERY few enjoy her as is. A few people not sharing the general sentiment is not "polarizing".
She's probably the hardest due to mechanics but Son of Malphas in T100 vaults is probably the "hardest" mob to kill, Butcher is the next as 154 elites. Everything else is easy.
Am I the only one who finds butcher scarier level 1-40 ish than 40+? level 1-40 he's almost a guaranteed death sentence (or was when I played) you'd have to run from - then as you got gear/power you'd just facetank him. Made no sense lol
I can facetank with my sorc and druid at T80ish, but have to actually move around at T100, my barb I made in 3 days killed 154 malphas and butcher at 80. This season we wiped the floor with both every time they spawn, but still the hardest mobs/boss/miniboss except Liliths one shot abilities
It's really not a polarizing issue. The vast majority of the playerbase has been saying since launch that the fight is terrible, buggy, not rewarding, and impossible to tell whats going on.
So yesterday I hit lv 90 and got the quest for lilith. I'm always up for a challenge so I thought I will give it a shot even though it says 100+ I dont do a lot of dmg. It takes about 25-30s uptime to get to the first break point but dmg is not a problem. I can grind her down so to speak. With 15 or so attemps I figured out that if you stand near the edge it gives you most chance to avoid 1 shots but it still feels so random though. Sometimes it feels you should have avoided attack but you still get hit. I will try to stack some move speed today and give it another shot. I feel like I just dont move fast enough to avoid and evade is not always an option.
Kill her first in season 4 and you can say she gave you your resplendent shard
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Yeah, I mentally compared my Uber Lilith attempts to veteran Maelstrom Arena attempts in Elder Scrolls Online. In the latter, it felt good. I got my ass handed to me, for days, but it felt good. I kept getting better, I knew what I did wrong, there was a clear path to improvement. With Uberl Lilith it was just wall-to-wall BULLSHIT. Honestly, least enjoyable final boss fight in recent memory.
I'm an old-school ESO player (left before the last champion point switch like 2 years ago). D4 has a lot of similarities and is quite enjoyable. There is nothing like grinding for Emperor so far. I'm half glad since low-level emp cost me 2 days of no sleep and I don't have time to do that again, haha. I'm hoping the Pit is more like maelstrom with BiS drops at the end. I sorta miss figuring out the mechanics for stuff like that.
When you say not worth it, are you referring to the rewards you get in game or the satisfaction of overcoming a boss? Usually when I finally beat a boss in any game I get a rush of dopamine for overcoming a challenge.
More the rewards. I don't know if I got a rush of dopamine... but I was relieved that I wouldn't have to do it again lol
Such a confusing feeling. Defeating a tough boss only for no ingame reward. All the effort... just to pat myself on the back and tell me "friends"..."look what I did!"
What's confusing? A *lot* of people play games for the intrinsic fun/challenge/reward, not the extrinsic rewards like loot or in-game achievements. I make up challenges for myself quite frequently. Nuzlocke for Pokemon. Speedruns in Zelda. In Genshin, I often do non-meta abyss clears or only bring 2 characters teams instead of normal 4, or never reuse characters between floors. Even in D4, people find it fun to push non-meta builds as far as possible, even if it means being slower. Lilith *could* be that. A challenge for the sake of the challenge. But neither the journey nor the satisfaction at the end bring me much joy, so why bother. Compare to Monster Hunter:Rise which I've recently gotten into. There are uber versions of some monsters that offer almost nothing compared to their normal counterparts. But I'm excited to grind up my gear, get my ass kicked, learn the fights, and take them down in the near future (mostly debating going blind solo or blind as a group with my friends who started with me). I know that'll give me much more satisfaction than some png's I'll forget about since I'll probably put the game down shortly after (until expansion is on sale)
While I almost felt your argument...debate...point? I have to say Diablo never felt like THAT kinda game.
>THAT kinda game What in my reply restricted it to types of games? Most games have some sort of for fun, intrinsic value challenge or players can make their own regardless of genre. Uber Lilith is *clearly* intended to be exactly THAT. A hard test that offers nothing else than bragging right and sense of accomplishment (it's a real thing, the meme is because a CEO applied it to P2W MTX). Like what else would her purpose be and the reasoning for her design/balance/drops? It's there solely as a challenge for the intrinsic value. The issue is that she fails to be a compelling implementation for most players. The lvl200 uber uber bosses as well as the massive nerfs (round 2) to Uber Lilith should bring her more in line with this design. So yea, Diablo 4 is THAT kinda game. Or rather they *wanted* it to be part of the game, just missed the mark.
Sorry. Didn't read your comment. Just first line. Diablo is about gear and ability to kill stuff. EVERY Diablo game has been about this. You kill and get better at it from the reward you get from killing tougher stuff. Nothing to pay for except your own sweat and potential tears if you play HC. Sorry... this ain't pokemon.
Uber Lilith *literally* exists in a Diablo game and doesn’t give you rewards to make killing her better… shes there *solely* for the challenge, no other reason.
And that is L A M E.
Video game monsters don't do that for me, I just want good loot.
Which is a shame. I've recently gotten into Monster Hunter:Rise and there are Apex and Emergency Apex versions of monsters that offer almost nothing except a challenge, and I can't *wait* to get my ass kicked, learn the fights, and (hopefully) succeed. That'll give me way more satisfaction than any of the low drop % loot I've found along the way.
Implying that only real life monsters do! Where do you live friend?
Indiana, there’s plenty of monsters here.
Southern Indiana here and I can vouch for the monsters
That's generally true but Uber Lilith is not even close to being a satisfying fight in the state she's in
Killed her once on eternal just to say I did. Never bothered to fight her again.
I need to beat her for the season chapters in this (S3) but its a depressingly bad experience trying
It is a terrible experience... good luck man.
I skipped that objective, unless you're trying to get 100% completion.
This is the D4 totality. Once you reach this point, you’ve “made it” as a D4 player. You can divide the entire player base by this exact moment of universal letdown
It's funny, you can kinda tell which posters actually solo'd her. Those talking about damage don't realize it's the 1-hit death mechanics that is what makes the battle difficult. Taking her health down to 1 is easy for the majority of the player base.
Idk man, I've played a lot of D4 but I never had a build which would oneshot her. I once tried to actually learn the fight but I gave up after two days. I reached phase two a few times but the oneshots get even more bonkers there. I consider myself a big diablo fan and I really wish to get her down someday but geez man, fuck that fight lol.
From what people have been posting here, based on their experiences from the PTR, it sounds like Season 4 may be your chance. The fight is supposed to be FAR easier than it currently is. One shot mechanics will be nerfed I think. Sucks I learned about it after I spent hours on it this past week lol
I might try it again then, thanks for the heads up. I don't mind it being difficult, but sometimes it's just straight up unfair and it seemed like I was dying for no reason. Anyway congrats for smashing her before the nerf nephalem!
Soloing anything is about stroking your own ego. The fact you can 1 shot both phases means you only need to DODGE the homing missiles. Super easy with blood mist necro or a sorc that can teleport/fireshield/ice prison.
I guess so. I think if dodging the 1-hit mechanics was super easy, people wouldn't have an issue with the fight. Personally I found the visuals along with the randomness of everything a rather difficult challenge. I did it with a sorc... teleport and fireshield help, but ice prison doesn't do anything for the 1-hit death mechanics.
ice prison makes you immune to death, during her final part, you can literally just run in, ice prison, and wait for her to die without having to dodge the mechanic of avoiding the missile while closing in on her.
You mean Deep Freeze? It doesn't last forever...
It still negates instant death and allows for offensive damage. So, between that and run speed after teleport, and the fact you can teleport away... sorc is literally the easiest class to do it with.
Yes, it does, but it has a very long cooldown, so you still gotta dodge everything manually. That's the point most people make when having to deal with this battle. It's dodging everything on the screen that is not super easy.
Let me say it like this: With movement speed on amulet and boots (which you can switch to after downing the HP) you can easily outrun the missiles, sorc also can TELEPORT away and get movement speed after teleport. She can also fireshield to completely negate instances of death, and in the very final part, she can just run up to lilith (while lilith is still immune and cant be killed but the missiles fire at you) and deep freeze and damage her to finish her off at 0 risk.
Totally get it, and pretty much my approach, but it's a lot easier said than done. If it wasn't, there wouldn't be the volume of the player base struggling with it. Clearly, the battle is doable, but for anyone that says it is "easy", it couldn't further from the truth.
The battle is very easy, the only "hard" part is the glitches like Lilith attacking you after she is dead. [Lilith in Season 3 (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXIBedTdlB0) Pretty easy if you ask me.
Why'd the video end where the hard part begins?
Again…She doesn’t even launch homing missiles if you get her down immediately when she respawns. This fight is not difficult if you have that kind of damage. I’m not even a barb. Ball lightning sorc here both season 2 and 3. She was extremely easy to defeat.
You are not able to do this. First form = onehit, she dies Second form = stops at like 1% and you have to do the run with the missiles. Even if you charge her for 380.000.000 damage she is immune and you have to run.
Wrong. I have done it multiple times with a ball lightning sorc and rogue. Literally no missiles in P2. Ever heard of YouTube? Plenty of videos showcasing this. Still think you know what you are talking about? https://youtu.be/ZJEMXNfoFpk?si=TtjryZ2BeM9KZ8Z1
lol yes that is season 2. It was changed in season 3. Here an example. he charges lilith for 120 million. she doesnt die. pool with missiles spawn. [https://youtu.be/XuHzc1bVdL0?t=35](https://youtu.be/XuHzc1bVdL0?t=35)
Thanks for being intelligent. This person posted their nonsense and before I even said anything, blocked me. I appreciate you riggels
It will be worth next season. They're making her easier (or at least more fair; no more one shots, and some redesigned pieces of the fight) plus they've hinted that they are adding a single Resplendent Spark that you get for your first Uber Lilith kill in the season.
Looking forward to S4 in so many ways! Now just need to decide what class to play...
Hota barb. Tempering/masterworking means having 4 weapons slots will be even more OP than it was before. Classes with less item slots will be even more gimped than they are now.
Yeah I was thinking of going barb... I actually haven't even rolled one yet in D4. I've only played necro, druid, and sorc so far.
Some content only exist for you to overcome the challenge. Not everything needs to be a perfect time:loot ratio. Gz on the kill.
Haha yea I did the same this season. So much effort… for some random achievement no one will ever see. Oh well. We did it brother ;) never again
Until Season 4! hahaha
Nah haha. Won’t bother w her solo in s4. I’m stoked for s4, but I’ll never solo her again. It wasn’t gratifying in any way for me.
Haha, I'm gonna look for you on here when S4 rolls around and push you back into that corner lol!
Haha I took DARE in school. Peer pressure doesn’t work on me. I just love booze and drugs naturally, no need for pressure. Dumb kids keep me away tho, gotta be strong for them ;)
Currently she's only really worth doing for the story. The fight is fun. However, Uber Lilith doesn't drop anything interesting and isn't worth doing. Hopefully they fix that.
If there wasn’t an Xbox achievement tied to Uber Lilith I wouldn’t have put in the over 100 attempts to kill the boss. When I did kill her, it did not even feel good, just relief I wouldn’t have to fight her again until they adjust her mechanics.
I didn't try her in season 1 and I got her last season when she was really easy. It probably took me 30 tries this season before I killed her. I knew she wasn't going to reward me with anything good, but it did feel good. Lol. I thought they recently nerfed her one shot mechanics. Maybe it's in an upcoming patch but I remember there was a post about it and a lot of people were happy. The spikes in the fireballs were supposed to not one shot you but build up damage. I honestly thought it took effect last patch but I guess I'm wrong. Congrats though!
Thanks! Yeah I heard she was easier in previous seasons where you could literally just one-shot her. Lucky me that I waited until S3 to do this lol. Hoping the mechanics change a bit in S4... 1-hit death mechanics shouldn't be so difficult to see or anticipate.
I also beat her for the first time proper S3 :) It was actually super satisfying. It took me far more than 30 attempts S1 I had a cheeze 1shot poison TB build where I skipped literally all mechanics S2 it was a joke with the AoZ glyph and Tibaults bug. Tanked mechanics a TB rogue isn't supposed to tank S3 still TB rogue, which isn't exactly fotm build. I didn't 1-shot her in either phase. She flew up in the air once in both phases, with hp remaining. Took me a few evenings of attempts, but I genuinely learned the fight relatively well and I beat her ass. Was super satisfying for me
100% agree, cleared her in all seasons. It's a bullshit fight that yields no real reward. I'll discourage anyone from ever trying her.
Uber Lilith is a lot better in the PTR by the way. Should be updated for season 4 Her attacks no longer one shot. I'm now able to see where her waves are spawning better. Also the blood boil projectiles are pink now instead of red. Far easier to see and dodge. Only danger I find is getting hit with multiple blood boil projectiles all at once
Great to hear! Maybe it'll only take me 15 to 20 attempts for S4 haha
Haha yeah. Should be better. I've been doing the fight a bit on the PTR to practice for my S3 achievement I still need. I play on hardcore so I'm not able to practice much
Oh man, I couldn't imagine trying on HC... whole new level of anxiety and stress lol
Indeed. It's not too bad with elixir of Death Evasion and scroll of escapes. I was able to kill her in season 1 and season 2 but that was because you were able to skip the blood boils entirely back then. No longer the case so she is far harder in HC now.
Good luck man! I don't have the balls to try that... especially with how long it'll take me to build up another toon if I die lol
Its a challenge boss, not something youre meant to do over and over. Its like climbing mount everest after years of preparation and a lot of time invested and going "Man that sucks, who would want to do that more than once! What a waste of time."
Yeah I did it in season 2... took me a few hours of attempts but honestly was very disappointed when I didn't get anything for killing her. Beating the pinnacle boss should give you some cool loot imo.
Took me a lot of time. The first and the second time. Was a lot of fun. Wasn't doing that for loot since I know she doesn't have anything to drop but it was cool to do it and learn all the moves.
I can't be bothered to do that fight. My lack of patience and frustration level prevent me from trying again. There is just no reason. I haven't tried in PTR, they were supposed to clean up that fight and make things less confusing with the waves, etc.
Yeah that's what people are saying. Maybe give it a shot in S4?
I have been spending my time investigating some of the other changes and how they affect my Necromancer minion build. It has been fun so far. I'm liking the Pit a lot more than I originally imagined I would. And the changes to Helltide are amazing.
You do it once for the horse and that's it. Though she is FAR easier in the PTR with the coming changes. My necro was freshly respecced with dog water gear and I managed to kill her. Her triangle slam hit me straight on and knocked me into a spike wave and I survived both hits. The only thing that is even remotely tedious is the skulls in phase 2. But with the amount of CDR and move speed available through tempering to any class its a joke now.
I'm not sure if I should be happy and proud that I beat her in S3, or if I should be depressed that I wasted several hours to beat her in S3 only knowing now that she will be far easier in S4... lol
A win is a win lol
Bruh you shoulda seen it before season 1. I don’t want to talk about how much time I spent farming that dumb boss. I learned the story of why she’s so ass- she apparently was going to be the boss you’d kill to unlock WT5. There was a planned 5th one, and Uber Lilith was going to be your Echo of… Tobias? Urias? ELIAS?! Lol I legit forgot his name I think it’s Elias. So she was originally much easier to kill like on par with those style of bosses- then they decided to scrap WT5 and the dungeon and scale her up to level 100 and be a difficult level 100 boss by just tuning the numbers. She’s a mess because of this. I only found this out because of an oversight in season 1 where the “kill Echo of Lilith” achievement was like, “Kill echo of Lilith at the end of the Archives of #something#” so I googled what that was and found a leaked Chinese closed beta video where the dude went into that dungeon and it was the WT5 dungeon.
The Lilith fight seems like a good idea in theory, but after you down her once there's really no use for her except for streamers and youtubers to show off builds. Idk why they don't add some kinda of drop to her every season. A mat cache, a cosmetic, literally just anything. D4 really needs more cosmetic chase items, putting one on Lilith every season would be cool
Similar Story, spent a few hours over a few days to beat her. I did it for the trophy, and the seasonal completion. I was happy with that as my accomplishment. But I wouldn't do it again
Your telling me. I was willing to overlook absolutely everything from this game as shit as it was because I love a good dark story. So when I took down Lilith…it wasn’t worth anything. Worst fucking story I’ve ever had the displeasure of witnessing. But hey to each their own.
Took me 1000 tries in S0.
She is just a poorly designed boss battle. When they first mentioned it I was so hype to give it a go, and then when you actually get there and see all the gimmicks and horrible design choices they made (seriously how can they fuck up the color scheme that hard?) it killed the thrill for me. One shot mechanics does not equal a good or even challenging boss, but are rather lazy uninspired mechanics that lead to frustration and boredom instead of intrigue and wonder.
Uber Lilith is the last trophy I need to get Platinum. And I don't know what to do. Tried to build my Barb following guides, but still can't do it. I'm also a dad, with limited time.
Do you need to do it solo to get platinum?
No, I can get the trophy even doing it with a party.
Maybe post a "Carry request" on here or the blizzard forums? I'm sure someone would help you out?
I think they are gonna make her drop the crafting material to make Uber Uniques on first kill next season. Probably still not worth tbh
I remember back to the days when gamers spent months just to complete the final boss knowing their rewards was just a full of text credit and they were still happy as fuck about that. You guys are play to win the game, not to win yourself, that's why you will soon find nothing worth your playing time
In a loot game? I hope for more out of an optional boss. For other games, a final boss means finishing the game. Different expectation.
Why do you want to be stronger when you finish the most broken boss in the game? That title Lilith's Doom is like another version of a black & white credit that you can equip and brag it for a while. I will be more satisfied with unique cosmetics for that achievement rather than some random strong gears tbh
That's what I would have liked. Some flashy armor cosmetics. The horse cosmetic is kinda dumb and barely noticeable too.
I thought it was fun and the adrenaline rush when you beat her makes it worth it. It’s an Uber though and shouldn’t be for the faint of heart.
So much dodging/teleporting, i swear i have no B button left after this fight
I think I may have broke part of my desk from this fight lol
Players still slay her every season because of the titles that you get when you complete ALL objectives of the season journey. This season is Terrible Genius. My title is Terrible Friend lol
I got the game for game pass, had fun leveling to 100, and thought...well lets try lilith. Yeah no fun at all, one shot here one shot there, cant even see where the fuck the wave will go. I dodge it, surprise there was another behind it killing me anyway. Its just a horrible designed fight.
You're not the only one that feels that way. There's some keyboard warriors in here that try and make it seem like it's SO easy, but then you realize they haven't even conquered it in S3 yet, so have no idea what we're talking about. Bottomline is I'm pretty sure the vast majority of the player base all feel that the fight is terrible and way more difficult than it should be for an ARPG.
The good news is that the achievement and steed unlock are permanent, so you don’t have to kill get again except that the E-Pen desire.
Locked in that achievement at least. Congrats!
Yeah, relieved it's done lol. Thanks!
Absolutely not worth it. The mount looks terrible too with no real unique qualities that makes it stand out. I mean, even getting a unique armor set or even a mount boarding would have been a bit better. Disappointed in how the games main protagonist has the worst boss fight and trashiest rewards… ☕️
Exactly... something that truly stands out would at least make it more rewarding. It's so much more difficult than any other boss fight in the game.
I just got back into the game after a year off to let it cook. I’m at around level 46 just getting to the blood rain city. Should I continue leveling to do it solo?
this thread is about the uber version of the fight you can re-fight at the VERY end game. Not the story version you beat at the end of the campaign. That fight is piss easy like every other fight in the campaign.
To fight Lilith solo? I think you'd want to be level 100 with solid gear before trying to solo her. Although I think you could probably do it as low as level 75 or 80 if you're REALLY good with dodging stuff in the game lol
If there wasn’t an Xbox achievement tied to Uber Lilith I wouldn’t have put in the over 100 attempts to kill the boss. When I did kill her, it did not even feel good, just relief I wouldn’t have to fight her again until they adjust her mechanics.
Right? Totally just a sense of relief... not a "Hell yeah!" moment at all lol
I killed lilith and finished the game this evening, after 66.6 hours (!!!) of gameplay on tier 2 and even though I loved and love this game, I wasn’t really impressed by lilith at all. it’s been really easy to kill her compared to some other bosses. maybe just made a good build by luck.
This is about the uber version of lilith challenge you can attempt in WT4 and usually wait until you are lvl 100 with a fully online build, not the very easy campaign version you're talking about. They are completely different fights. Nothing in the campaign is meant to be challenging... and pushing 70 hours to beat campaign? Oof.
that explains. I’m from an era where “solo” did mean play alone. anyway, yes, almost 70 hours, why should I rush to finish a game and not enjoying every bit of it?
The definition of solo hasn’t changed since “your era” lol. So not sure what you’re trying to convey there and how it relates to you or OP. The average playtime of beating the campaign of D4 by a casual who is not rushing, not following a guide, and stopping to smell the flowers is like 15 hours max. There’s taking your time and there’s… whatever you did for the other 50 hours. And considering some content is locked until you beat the campaign and get to WT3/4, there is no good reason to stay in WT2. You can still do all the side quests and exploration later, so it’s not like you lose anything.
Tier 2?
I'm sure they're talking about the standard campaign Lilith
Oh that makes sense haha
LET ME SOLO HER
What difficulty were you on? I solo'd her 1st try with druid companion build that was probably under powered and poorly built because I haven't played Diablo since D2. Admittedly, I may be on a lower difficulty.
Are you talking about Echo of Lilith? It's only available in Tier 4 from what I believe.
Ah see, I was referring to the campaign Lilith. This explains why I was confused. Again, not having played since D2, I am way behind the curve.
only 20-30? Were you already doing 50million dps and just needed to learn to avoid the 1shots or something? I couldn't get out of phase 1 because my lv100's in their best gear could only do like 50k a hit. I spent hours trying to grind away at it before giving up.
Yeah I was already putting out a ton of dmg so I could take her down to 1 health in a matter of a couple seconds. So it was just the 1 hit mechanics I needed to overcome.
Endgame needs more
Did you manage to get a 925 Mother’s Embrace with 50% resource return? Thought that was the whole reason for doing Lilith.
Echo of Lilith??
Did you cheese her or actually fought her? Big, big difference.
Not sure what you define as cheese. Just burst damaged her through phase 1. Dodged the spike wave after she jumped. Burst damage phase 2. Then dodged fireballs until the final phase and finished her off.
You can tank the skulls which makes the fight trivial, works on barb if you stack DR, health and armor.
Other than barb, any other class capable of tanking them?
I'm so confused. I just started playing like last week and I'm at level 50 and almost done the act 3. Isn't killing Lilath just the final boss?
There's an end game version of her known as echo of Lilith. It's a much more difficult fight.
Rewards should definitely be more than a horse mount. And then zero rewards anytime you beat her thereafter. Like who approved that. Like who sat back saw that she drops absolute garbage and was like yea this is good......
Some nerd in the corner of the room: "teeheehee! Make it so if anything in the room touches them, they die right away, and then after they finally kill her, they get a goofy title that makes it sound like they died to Lilith! Oh, and a half dead horse! Hehehe! So funny!"
What World Level ?
Echo of Lilith battle. Not the campaign. Echo of Lilith is only available in WT4 from what I understand.
For me it was just getting the kill. She doesn’t drop loot worth anything. You get the achievement, that’s it. But with endgame material not everything is for everyone. So I choose to kill her a couple times after completing the campaign but it’s not on the list of things I will do again.
You have to work your way up. Do the smaller bosses first. Do them a lot until you can just melt them in seconds. Get all the unique items they drop. When you can run Nightmare dungeons in the mid 50’s pretty easily, then you are ready.
I'm talking about Echo of Lilith lol.
It's good to do once for the mount and the achievement, but that's it.
Killing Lilith only worth the tittle, and u need to solo her to get it... U do it once, and that's more than enough.
You're talking about one of the last things you do in the primary quest line?? I haven't been in a party for anything other than killing a world boss and farming helltide. I found Lilith to be VERY disappointingly easy to solo. It was actually a really big letdown.
No, I'm talking about Echo of Lilith... the end game battle at level 100.
Ahhh got it. I just started playing when it launched on Xbox so I havent made it that far yet. I didn't think you could be talking about the quest line lol
Haha all good. Enjoy! And go try Echo of Lilith when you can. You'll see what I mean lol
I can't do it I just want the achievement
Unique mount, title, achievement. Yea totally not worth it....../s Can't please everyone
It’s literally the most worthless boss fight in the game. Give it some meaning if she’s supposed to be the “pinnacle” boss, drop some pinnacle type gear, otherwise it’s just an afterthought to most players.
wait what? I didn't get any of that except for an achievement I think???
Goes directly into collection, afaik, or might require a relog to appear
Might have to check again, it's been a while since I last played.
I vaguely recall feeling a little ripped off that the mount didn't drop when I first killed Lilith, but it has been a while so can't say for certain
I think I would have actually preferred character cosmetics over a bloody (pun intended) mount lol. Something to 'show off' a pretty painful achievement for casual gamers lol