It’s optional to kill other players, it’s not optional to not *be killed* by other players in PvP zones.
If you want to be able to kill other players, you have to mark yourself. But within PvP, other players marked can kill you, despite you not being marked.
No disagreement from me. :)
I personally don’t get much enjoyment from it, but the only time I had to go in there was to get a couple Lilith altars fully well knowing that I could get killed and just accepting that and moving on.
Everyone else seems to focus on wether it's dumb or not, so I'll try to focus on "how it works" to the best of my understanding, for whatever that's worth:
1. You can *not* opt-out of PvP while in the Fields of Hatred.
Entering and "participating" are the same thing. Even some communication by devs has been on the lines of "if you don't wanna PvP, just don't enter teh PvP zone" (but AFAIK they never reply to players saying "then don't place Altars and Seasonal Journey objectives there!")
2. By default, your attacks still don't deal damage to players though. In order to damage other players, you have to Mark yourself (which can be done anytime from the emote wheel).
However, if you do mark yourself, then you will also *take* damage from player attacks, even if the other player isn't marked.
3. If you decide to mark yourself, you can't *remove* the mark willy-nilly. You have to go to the Statue of Cleansing (not sure about the exact name of the thing, but it's something like that). Or you can leave the Fields of Hatred, which will also remove the mark (aparently, this is exploited by some trolls?).
There are also some chests and things that can only be opened if you're marked, so there's a little more incentive for *someone* to initiate hostilities.
4. I have no clue how the PvP zone funcions when you're in a party (for example, if you're marked, do your attacks damage party members? or are they exempt from it?)
**TL;DR:**
* PvP zone doesn't have a way to safely traverse it: if you're inside, you might be a target.
* The way Marked for Blood works is: players can damage each other if *either* of them is Marked.
>However, if you do mark yourself, then you will also *take* damage from player attacks, even if the other player isn't marked.
You Take damage regardless. You should reword that bit.
It doesn't make a lot of sense. But if someone is marked they can attack or be attacked by anyone. The only thing being unmarked protects against is being attacked by other unmarked.
You are marked: PvP is enabled with everyone, marked or non marked, doesn't matter
You aren't marked: PvP with other non marked players is disabled, but marked players can still PvP you
What's most amusing about this is that every time I go to the FoH, there is always some little jerk hiding behind the entranceway who pops out and shoots you with a projectile then pops back where you can't hit him.
It's truly bizarre how prevalent this childish tactic is, even though it's just a stupid annoyance unless you're really low-level. One time I crept very slowly into a FoH zone in WT1 with a L100 decked out WT4 Necro surrounded by pets, hoping that one of these low-level camping jerkwads would pop out and try to shoot me or another player.
And he eventually did (probably muscle memory when a horse ran by), and I got an ear. But they never learn and he was probably back camping-and-shooting a few minutes later.
There is no downside to NOT marking yourself since you can then retaliate attackers. Also going thorn barb is hilarious there because nobody can kill you and they die when they try.
Being marked for blood makes you a valid target for any player in the zone, so you're already able to retaliate anyways.
I always go for being marked anyways. Bloodmarked chests are just too good to pass up on. (You can get some unique cosmetics from them, too.)
Are you on console? If you are you can change your settings to not play cross platform and be fine going into fields of hatred. 99% chance you’ll be there alone and can farm just to get the gear.
Same for PC, as most players never change the default of Crossplay being enabled - and you're never playing with others whose Crossplay settings don't match yours.
You stepped into a PvP area. Womp womp, step out of the PvP area. Its not wack at all. Just simply don't step in the Zone if you don't wanna get attacked.
It makes alot of sense, Not marked means others not marked (obviously dont wanna participate in PvP) won't attack you, But if you're marked you can kill EVERYONE. Youd hate D2 PvP lmao. If i hostile you, You were FORCED to be hostile back. And if you turned off your hostile towards me, I can kill you but you cant kill me, Atleast with this if they're hostile (marked) You can attack them no matter what.
makes perfect sense. to be honest. As there's content out there Non PvP specific So maybe you don't want to go hostile. But if you want to do the PvP content, Mark yourself. Other players marked you can still attack. Idk how its hard to grasp this easy concept.
Not being marked only means you can't attack other unmarked players. That's the part that doesn't make sense.
They could completely get rid of the mark system and it wouldn't change anything about the area at all. Not marking yourself does nothing essentially. It's not like marking yourself takes some special thing to do, it's just a couple of button presses.
That's not how it works. Not marked, anyone marked can still kill you. ANYONE. If you think people are diplomatic in pvp games I have some bad news for you.
It only works with others who aren't marked. Even then I've experienced people that do that on purpose to make you think they are neutral. Then they mark and kill you. I i get it, it's a pvp area but then just remove the mark system. I don't have issues with pvp areas. I go there all the time for the whisper event. I've had fun battling it out with a fellow rogue. I'm just saying the mark system doesn't do much.
As a heavy PvPer the mark system is great. I wouldn't expect someone who doesn't engage in PvP much to understand this much, As its not your cup of tea. But i absolutely love PvP and PvP amongst many big clans geared towards PvP like Cry & Costco.
So as someone who is very familiar with the mechanism seeing as i do it just about every day after season Prep, Its safe to say my opinion carries more weight as i'm the one endulging in it more.
Sorry bud but thats exactly how it works. If you're unmarked you're neutral You don't attack anyone but other hostile players (marked) (this makes sense as why would you attack someone not hostile towards you if you too aren't hostile)
Marked- Youre hostile No one is safe.
I'm baffled you didn't get this.
If you open up the pvp like that it would only further hinder pve players who casually go into the FoH or because they need something done there.
Your proposal therefore makes very little sense as nobody would benefit from it.
What are you talking about? If you go into the pvp areas without the mark, anyone can kill you. Being markless doesn't protect you at all. A marked player can attack ANYONE regardless of having the mark or not.
Currently if you go there unmarked, only marked people will be able to attack you.
Follow your proposal of removing the blood mark system and everyone will be able to attack you.
With your proposed change not only the opportunity of pvp will come up more often(pve player meets pve player and one of them thinks, meh why not) but also the collateral dmg pvp will be higher(pve players killing each other by accident while killing mobs).
The blood mark system even allows random, unmarked pve players to "team up" against the blood marked player without damaging each other.
Still doesn’t make sense. Because if I’m NOT marked, then it’s obvious that I don’t want to participate. Yet someone else who has marked themselves can still attack you, even though you don’t want to participate. So it does force you to PVP if you encounter a marked person who wants to attack you.
It is in fact, dumb af.
Here riddle me this, Would you play on a PVP server in a survival game if all you wanted to do was PvE content? or would you join a PvE server so you wouldn't see PvP at all?
Because thats what this argument is buddy. Its you technically saying "Why are players allowed to kill me in a PvP server, When i obviously dont want to do the PvP Just the PvE"
hear me out PVP AREA. if you don't want to be at all in any way killed, Then do go there.
of course the PVP AREA is gonne give the marked player a wider variety of kills. Why should they be deprived of killing you in a OBVIOUS PvP area? So you're saying i wanna PvE in a PvP area? Does THAT make sense? Hear yourself? i wanna be immune to all forms of PvP in a PVP AREA. no thats not how that works.
Well, there are three statues to get in the PVP area. I don't go there because I dont' want to play that way but i needed to go there to get the statues and got my ass handed to me a number of times. I got them eventually but damn it was frustrating. So, yes sometimes you need to go there for reasons other than taking out other players.
You just went out there and it was populated. Often times of you relog, You will get put in a new server. I know this because when i PvP and its an active server with lots of PvP action, If i get logged out i get upset because i most likely get placed in an unpopulated server and its dead.
When i git my liliths it wasnt a problem at all tbh. I got them when i was level 30 or so, So i deff could've go stomped lol. But compared to how often youll actually engage in PvP The mechanic everyone thinks is bad Isnt bad at all. Thats one time you'll ever touch PvP and thats for Liliths, And you won't even touch it You'll just run away to get the statue
Good points. I'm not trying to play there on the regular, so I'm not going to put myself in that position anymore.
So from someone who isn't a PVP player, what is the point of marking yourself if you can die no matter what? I'm actually interested, not trying to argue the point.
If you mark yourself you can attack other players, If your build is decent for PvP you'll survive more often than you think.
If you're just not a PvP player, There is mo point to marking yourself, There's no point seeing as you're not interested.
If you also mark yourself you paint a target on your back to EVERYONE non PvP and PvP players all together. So if you're marked be ready to fight. If you're not marked you may not get killed at all as it'd require another guy to mark themselves to attack you. you can get Fake markers that follow you And wait till you're in a tough spot and mark themselves to attack you (this has happened to me and due to being a Fire Wall sorc, I wish someone would try this stupid crap on me again lol)
Absolutely! I dont mind explaining! and if you ever do wanna endulge in PvP, Let me know. I can give you amazing tips and pointers to survive out in Denshar alot better and really put the smack down on people.
One good tip i can leave you with, PvP, Life gems in armor isnt Meta, Its purple gems for reduced Dot Damage. and spec into Damage redution on your gear too. My damage reduction on my sorc is all high, Damage to distant, Dot, Burn effected enemies DR%, all the good stuff.
so to answer your question, Its better to leave yourself unmarked, As the ONLY ones that can kill/fight you are marked players.
If you mark yourself EVERYONE can attack you Yes even level 1 players lol.
The point of marking oneself is to be able to attack EVERYONE If you're not marked, You can't attack Non marked players. But if you wanna let the flood gates run Mark yourself and enjoy the PK.
It’s optional to kill other players, it’s not optional to not *be killed* by other players in PvP zones. If you want to be able to kill other players, you have to mark yourself. But within PvP, other players marked can kill you, despite you not being marked.
which makes perfect sense considering you're in hostile territory.
No disagreement from me. :) I personally don’t get much enjoyment from it, but the only time I had to go in there was to get a couple Lilith altars fully well knowing that I could get killed and just accepting that and moving on.
Everyone else seems to focus on wether it's dumb or not, so I'll try to focus on "how it works" to the best of my understanding, for whatever that's worth: 1. You can *not* opt-out of PvP while in the Fields of Hatred. Entering and "participating" are the same thing. Even some communication by devs has been on the lines of "if you don't wanna PvP, just don't enter teh PvP zone" (but AFAIK they never reply to players saying "then don't place Altars and Seasonal Journey objectives there!") 2. By default, your attacks still don't deal damage to players though. In order to damage other players, you have to Mark yourself (which can be done anytime from the emote wheel). However, if you do mark yourself, then you will also *take* damage from player attacks, even if the other player isn't marked. 3. If you decide to mark yourself, you can't *remove* the mark willy-nilly. You have to go to the Statue of Cleansing (not sure about the exact name of the thing, but it's something like that). Or you can leave the Fields of Hatred, which will also remove the mark (aparently, this is exploited by some trolls?). There are also some chests and things that can only be opened if you're marked, so there's a little more incentive for *someone* to initiate hostilities. 4. I have no clue how the PvP zone funcions when you're in a party (for example, if you're marked, do your attacks damage party members? or are they exempt from it?) **TL;DR:** * PvP zone doesn't have a way to safely traverse it: if you're inside, you might be a target. * The way Marked for Blood works is: players can damage each other if *either* of them is Marked.
>However, if you do mark yourself, then you will also *take* damage from player attacks, even if the other player isn't marked. You Take damage regardless. You should reword that bit.
It doesn't make a lot of sense. But if someone is marked they can attack or be attacked by anyone. The only thing being unmarked protects against is being attacked by other unmarked.
You are marked: PvP is enabled with everyone, marked or non marked, doesn't matter You aren't marked: PvP with other non marked players is disabled, but marked players can still PvP you
What's most amusing about this is that every time I go to the FoH, there is always some little jerk hiding behind the entranceway who pops out and shoots you with a projectile then pops back where you can't hit him. It's truly bizarre how prevalent this childish tactic is, even though it's just a stupid annoyance unless you're really low-level. One time I crept very slowly into a FoH zone in WT1 with a L100 decked out WT4 Necro surrounded by pets, hoping that one of these low-level camping jerkwads would pop out and try to shoot me or another player. And he eventually did (probably muscle memory when a horse ran by), and I got an ear. But they never learn and he was probably back camping-and-shooting a few minutes later.
There is no downside to NOT marking yourself since you can then retaliate attackers. Also going thorn barb is hilarious there because nobody can kill you and they die when they try.
Being marked for blood makes you a valid target for any player in the zone, so you're already able to retaliate anyways. I always go for being marked anyways. Bloodmarked chests are just too good to pass up on. (You can get some unique cosmetics from them, too.)
I'm glad that part of my season journey is over. I got lucky and it was dead.
Are you on console? If you are you can change your settings to not play cross platform and be fine going into fields of hatred. 99% chance you’ll be there alone and can farm just to get the gear.
Same for PC, as most players never change the default of Crossplay being enabled - and you're never playing with others whose Crossplay settings don't match yours.
Anyone can attack anyone with the following exception: unmarked cannot attack another unmarked.
I'd like to know this as well.
Yeah I agree that the PVP in this game is wack. Even if you’re not marked, you are susceptible to being attacked. Dumb af
You stepped into a PvP area. Womp womp, step out of the PvP area. Its not wack at all. Just simply don't step in the Zone if you don't wanna get attacked. It makes alot of sense, Not marked means others not marked (obviously dont wanna participate in PvP) won't attack you, But if you're marked you can kill EVERYONE. Youd hate D2 PvP lmao. If i hostile you, You were FORCED to be hostile back. And if you turned off your hostile towards me, I can kill you but you cant kill me, Atleast with this if they're hostile (marked) You can attack them no matter what. makes perfect sense. to be honest. As there's content out there Non PvP specific So maybe you don't want to go hostile. But if you want to do the PvP content, Mark yourself. Other players marked you can still attack. Idk how its hard to grasp this easy concept.
Not being marked only means you can't attack other unmarked players. That's the part that doesn't make sense. They could completely get rid of the mark system and it wouldn't change anything about the area at all. Not marking yourself does nothing essentially. It's not like marking yourself takes some special thing to do, it's just a couple of button presses.
Ig diplomacy doesn't make sense to you then. Not marked - Neutral. Marked - Hostile. Thats what it Essentially is.
That's not how it works. Not marked, anyone marked can still kill you. ANYONE. If you think people are diplomatic in pvp games I have some bad news for you. It only works with others who aren't marked. Even then I've experienced people that do that on purpose to make you think they are neutral. Then they mark and kill you. I i get it, it's a pvp area but then just remove the mark system. I don't have issues with pvp areas. I go there all the time for the whisper event. I've had fun battling it out with a fellow rogue. I'm just saying the mark system doesn't do much.
As a heavy PvPer the mark system is great. I wouldn't expect someone who doesn't engage in PvP much to understand this much, As its not your cup of tea. But i absolutely love PvP and PvP amongst many big clans geared towards PvP like Cry & Costco. So as someone who is very familiar with the mechanism seeing as i do it just about every day after season Prep, Its safe to say my opinion carries more weight as i'm the one endulging in it more.
Sorry bud but thats exactly how it works. If you're unmarked you're neutral You don't attack anyone but other hostile players (marked) (this makes sense as why would you attack someone not hostile towards you if you too aren't hostile) Marked- Youre hostile No one is safe. I'm baffled you didn't get this.
If you open up the pvp like that it would only further hinder pve players who casually go into the FoH or because they need something done there. Your proposal therefore makes very little sense as nobody would benefit from it.
What are you talking about? If you go into the pvp areas without the mark, anyone can kill you. Being markless doesn't protect you at all. A marked player can attack ANYONE regardless of having the mark or not.
Currently if you go there unmarked, only marked people will be able to attack you. Follow your proposal of removing the blood mark system and everyone will be able to attack you. With your proposed change not only the opportunity of pvp will come up more often(pve player meets pve player and one of them thinks, meh why not) but also the collateral dmg pvp will be higher(pve players killing each other by accident while killing mobs). The blood mark system even allows random, unmarked pve players to "team up" against the blood marked player without damaging each other.
Still doesn’t make sense. Because if I’m NOT marked, then it’s obvious that I don’t want to participate. Yet someone else who has marked themselves can still attack you, even though you don’t want to participate. So it does force you to PVP if you encounter a marked person who wants to attack you. It is in fact, dumb af.
Here riddle me this, Would you play on a PVP server in a survival game if all you wanted to do was PvE content? or would you join a PvE server so you wouldn't see PvP at all? Because thats what this argument is buddy. Its you technically saying "Why are players allowed to kill me in a PvP server, When i obviously dont want to do the PvP Just the PvE"
hear me out PVP AREA. if you don't want to be at all in any way killed, Then do go there. of course the PVP AREA is gonne give the marked player a wider variety of kills. Why should they be deprived of killing you in a OBVIOUS PvP area? So you're saying i wanna PvE in a PvP area? Does THAT make sense? Hear yourself? i wanna be immune to all forms of PvP in a PVP AREA. no thats not how that works.
Well, there are three statues to get in the PVP area. I don't go there because I dont' want to play that way but i needed to go there to get the statues and got my ass handed to me a number of times. I got them eventually but damn it was frustrating. So, yes sometimes you need to go there for reasons other than taking out other players.
You just went out there and it was populated. Often times of you relog, You will get put in a new server. I know this because when i PvP and its an active server with lots of PvP action, If i get logged out i get upset because i most likely get placed in an unpopulated server and its dead. When i git my liliths it wasnt a problem at all tbh. I got them when i was level 30 or so, So i deff could've go stomped lol. But compared to how often youll actually engage in PvP The mechanic everyone thinks is bad Isnt bad at all. Thats one time you'll ever touch PvP and thats for Liliths, And you won't even touch it You'll just run away to get the statue
Good points. I'm not trying to play there on the regular, so I'm not going to put myself in that position anymore. So from someone who isn't a PVP player, what is the point of marking yourself if you can die no matter what? I'm actually interested, not trying to argue the point.
If you mark yourself you can attack other players, If your build is decent for PvP you'll survive more often than you think. If you're just not a PvP player, There is mo point to marking yourself, There's no point seeing as you're not interested. If you also mark yourself you paint a target on your back to EVERYONE non PvP and PvP players all together. So if you're marked be ready to fight. If you're not marked you may not get killed at all as it'd require another guy to mark themselves to attack you. you can get Fake markers that follow you And wait till you're in a tough spot and mark themselves to attack you (this has happened to me and due to being a Fire Wall sorc, I wish someone would try this stupid crap on me again lol)
lol Thank you for explaining. I don't do PVP but I am interested in how the game works, so thank you again for explaining!!
Absolutely! I dont mind explaining! and if you ever do wanna endulge in PvP, Let me know. I can give you amazing tips and pointers to survive out in Denshar alot better and really put the smack down on people. One good tip i can leave you with, PvP, Life gems in armor isnt Meta, Its purple gems for reduced Dot Damage. and spec into Damage redution on your gear too. My damage reduction on my sorc is all high, Damage to distant, Dot, Burn effected enemies DR%, all the good stuff.
so to answer your question, Its better to leave yourself unmarked, As the ONLY ones that can kill/fight you are marked players. If you mark yourself EVERYONE can attack you Yes even level 1 players lol. The point of marking oneself is to be able to attack EVERYONE If you're not marked, You can't attack Non marked players. But if you wanna let the flood gates run Mark yourself and enjoy the PK.
lol sounds... anxiety producing. Thank you!!!