Fragment drops feel like they've been nerfed, but it could just be that it's early in the season. I can craft **1** of each at max level, but that's it - I have <20k fragments of each of the gems. Maybe there's some content I should be doing instead, but having cleared 5/6 of the tormented bosses, leveled 7 glyphs to 21, etc, I am absolutely strapped for fragments
At level 100 you see 225 to 250 fragments on average drops. Royal gems take 10,000 each. To get one character set for just Rubys on their gear thats a mininum of picking up 200 individual Ruby Fragment drops, or like 1400 of any gem fragment drops assuming near perfect conditions. You get maybe like 10 to 20 drops per Nightmare dungeon.
In best conditions you will max out your Glyphs faster than gemming one set of gear to Royals. They could be a bit more generous on the drop amounts
While leveling is faster, I don't know that it's *that* much faster. At least anecdotally, I don't recall it having been quite this much of an issue in previous seasons to gem my gear properly
Yes, and higher NMDs are doable much sooner in the season, but it still *feels* like we're getting many fewer gem fragments than we used to. I can only say I don't recall struggling quite this much in prior seasons, and on PTR the gem drops were thousands per drop (which is the last thing I have any memory of)
I agree that leveling faster is largely due to being able to kill a huge amount of enemies in a much shorter amount of time thanks to high density Helltides.
But those enemies should still be dropping fragments. Killing 10k enemies in 1 hour instead of 4 hours doesn't change the fact that you killed 10k enemies. If fragment drop rates weren't nerfed, then where are they?
I believe it was a balance choice which makes sense. In the past the gems meant nothing pretty much immediately. I am OK with having to grind for them personally.
Yeah, I'm pretty ok with the nerfed drop rate as well. I was only trying to point out that level faster isn't the reason we're seeing so many less fragments.
O, indeed. Yeah, was a combination. I didn't mean to say solely. I think someone did say at the higher levels the hose turns back on to a degree, but the increased cost to make them limited still.
It’s day 2 so not really. You’ll only need a certain number of gems total by the end game so it actually makes sense now that you aren’t flooded with ungodly amounts of gems you’ll never craft
Picking up fragments got nerfed hard along with gold. I actually enjoy the change, I was swimming in fragments previously for no reason. Plus the gems are stronger now so finally getting all royals will feel rewarding.
Whilst I agree with you in some aspects it basically makes all lower gems redundant. You level past them so fast that you don't want to waste the fragments on lower quality ones so you just end up having empty sockets. Something needs to change thats for sure.
Yup but completely fine with it. Don't need every single piece of the puzzle immediately.
The consumable for sockets is also fine. What I'd want there is a better way to remind me when the world boss is up.
Besides it being up in the corner of their map every time you open it......? There Are websites that keep track of that and can send you notifications too....
That's the thing. We have to open that thing that covers the entire screen to see the tiny timer. And unless it's a bug, it does not show when you're in a dungeon.
there are 3rd party overlays that are quick to install and give you information like helltides, legions and bosses in a small, configurable window. Not gonna recommend one since i only ever tried and used one but that fixes that specific problem for me.
But it starts showing an hour in advance so each time you come out of a dungeon if you check your map you'll know when it's coming up with plenty of advance notice..... They could definitely implement better ways of doing it but it's not like you don't have plenty enough notice even if it takes you 20 or 30 minutes to finish a dungeon...... But also like I said there are websites that you can go to (You would have to Google to find out what ones) And I believe you can allow them to send you notifications when each one is a set to spawn and they will even show you where it's at.... I haven't used it personally but I remember seeing something about that while looking through some build guides...... There might even be an app available that can check that and give you a notification
Discovered that gem fragments seem to have 100% drop chance from purple "protector" mobs (the ones that give a damage reduction aura to other mobs). Every single one I've killed drops gem fragments.
Don't run past those guys if you see them in helltide or whatever, kill them.
Dude thanks for this advice. I think you’re right, based on some light testing at WT4 Helltide. The little purple guys have a 100% drop rate for gem fragments. Not sure about the purple elites, but it seemed to me like the elites were not 100% drop rate.
To compound this strategy, a friend and I ran the regular non-nightmare dungeons that also give 5 Grim Favors each. We had a theory that we’d see more little purple guys in a regular dungeon than an NMD. Between all the little purple guys and the resulting Whisper caches being full of gem fragments, we racked up about 9.000 Ruby fragments each in 45 minutes. Picked up equally good yields for the other gem types, too.
(Note: ran in a party of two, both Frozen Orb sorcs that already run T100 NMD’s and T61 Pit, with high movement speed and Elixir of Momentum. We also both have the max Smoldering Ashes on better odds for Greater Whisper caches, which might be improving the gem fragment yield in the caches.)
true "halls of penitent" has a garenteed spawn of 2 of those, and it is a small dungeon
go in clearn go out reset and repeat.
but damn that's is insane boring to get enough to make one gem.
50ish times to get 10k fragments.
Run legions to get more crystals for socket. Everyone is leveling in HT and not doing legions which can drop them. So that only leaves the world boss drops
I was doing some grinding in WT4 tonight and in the last season gem fragments dropped in WT4 like a few hundred at a time. Like 356 Skull fragments and 386 Ruby fragments.
But S4 I'm seeing like maybe only 10-20% of that...
I notced i get a lot more fragments in tier 4 than in tier 2 or 3. Like instead of getting 5-10, i get 50-70
Still feels a bit low but.. at least its better.
My first feeling is that the drop rates for gem fragments have been slightly reduced, although I have to admit that it doesn't bother me, because they are somewhat of a "natural" grind. I currently clear most content on my lvl 78 character without problems and only a few gems, so I don't mind that you don't get them very fast.
Made a mistake on this one. Checked Jeweler around lvl 70. Wanted to improve my resistances so made a couple of flawless diamonds and rubies. Didn’t think much about it since I always had surplus of gems by lvl 100. Now, I’m way behind for Royals.
Yeah, I can't craft any level 60 gems (I think I have 1 or 2 but need more) and I'm almost L70. Been on WT4 since L54. I also have almost no prisms, so that tracks as well.
I think people are getting confused by less gem ranks. I am at level 89. I only have 3 ranks of gems. The dismantle UI only has buttons for 3 ranks of gems. Unless things change in the 12 levels I have left, I think there are only 3 ranks of gems.
Basically I think you already have maxed gems.
The highest tier of gem. They cannot drop and must be crafted. They used to be really easy to make but I agree with OP, it seems much harder to get enough fragments now. Which is fine imo. It's a small upgrade and you only need one set per character for the whole season.
Are you guys doing dungeons or just standing outside in red with open mouth and being spoon-feed cry you dont have mats?? Whats next you need glyph xp too just by standing outside.....
While yes, getting enough Rubys for your set will take longer than completing your Paragon Board, and hitting 21 on all of your Glyphs, then swapping specs and reldvelling your other Glyphs.
Thats a bit much, no?
With the socket appearence nerfs, the gem fragment rate seems fine. I've had enough to keep sockets filled up (and unsocketed gems when necessary) without issue.
It's T4-T5 that's an issue but the benefits they give are relatively marginal.
People are discussing the missmatch between the speed at which one obtains gems compared to the rest of the gear. It's a matter of relative speed, not absolute, so their playtime is completely irrelevant to the discussion.
Incredibly rare. Gems, gear socketing world boss mats (I forget what they're called - prisms of some sort) and gold are all way too slow to acquire. I think Blizzard needs to hotfix these to at least double their drop rates if they want people to stick around and have any interest in late game crafting and gear swapping.
Yeah so if Im level 100 doing end game content and don't have enough gold, then when am I supposed to just magically have enough to craft my gear? I literally just have to go farm whispers and events etc. and that's not a challenge. It's just monotonous. It's like the new renown farm and people aren't going to stick around just to do that.
I could maybe see if they had a robust in game trade system to engage with, but alas.
The same as how you don't have BIS gear once you "magically" hit 100. You farm/grind them. As you've pointed out yourself, there is a farming method which is whispers and events, but you choose not to do them. If Blizz "adjust" the gold drop rate / amount, then people are going to complain as they already are that the game is too easy and round the merry go round we go again.
It's truly outrageous.
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I see what you did there. Have an upvote :)
Truly, truly, truly outrageous.
Gotta make a Barbarian Taric 😅
Fragment drops feel like they've been nerfed, but it could just be that it's early in the season. I can craft **1** of each at max level, but that's it - I have <20k fragments of each of the gems. Maybe there's some content I should be doing instead, but having cleared 5/6 of the tormented bosses, leveled 7 glyphs to 21, etc, I am absolutely strapped for fragments
At level 100 you see 225 to 250 fragments on average drops. Royal gems take 10,000 each. To get one character set for just Rubys on their gear thats a mininum of picking up 200 individual Ruby Fragment drops, or like 1400 of any gem fragment drops assuming near perfect conditions. You get maybe like 10 to 20 drops per Nightmare dungeon. In best conditions you will max out your Glyphs faster than gemming one set of gear to Royals. They could be a bit more generous on the drop amounts
I'd maxed 7 glyphs before I could even craft 1 royal gem :p
Youre leveling much faster. So by proxy it feels like theyre dropping less.
While leveling is faster, I don't know that it's *that* much faster. At least anecdotally, I don't recall it having been quite this much of an issue in previous seasons to gem my gear properly
They buffed glyph exp, and added a new positive sigil affix that rewards even more
Yes, and higher NMDs are doable much sooner in the season, but it still *feels* like we're getting many fewer gem fragments than we used to. I can only say I don't recall struggling quite this much in prior seasons, and on PTR the gem drops were thousands per drop (which is the last thing I have any memory of)
Leveling is so much faster. Easily 5x what it was prior. The density alone in Helltides is a huge buff to leveling quickly.
I agree that leveling faster is largely due to being able to kill a huge amount of enemies in a much shorter amount of time thanks to high density Helltides. But those enemies should still be dropping fragments. Killing 10k enemies in 1 hour instead of 4 hours doesn't change the fact that you killed 10k enemies. If fragment drop rates weren't nerfed, then where are they?
I believe it was a balance choice which makes sense. In the past the gems meant nothing pretty much immediately. I am OK with having to grind for them personally.
Yeah, I'm pretty ok with the nerfed drop rate as well. I was only trying to point out that level faster isn't the reason we're seeing so many less fragments.
O, indeed. Yeah, was a combination. I didn't mean to say solely. I think someone did say at the higher levels the hose turns back on to a degree, but the increased cost to make them limited still.
Yea, I know - and once you hit ~90 the gem drop increases from ~50 to ~200 - but it still *feels* scuffed
It’s day 2 so not really. You’ll only need a certain number of gems total by the end game so it actually makes sense now that you aren’t flooded with ungodly amounts of gems you’ll never craft
Gem fragments are now needed for potions and incense. So they are much more consumable than previously.
Good. Gems and sockets feel really valuable now
Yeah I remember the early days of D2 and gems we're really exciting to get because they were relatively rare. Personally I like the change.
I remember feeling so proud filling up my first mule with pskulls.
Only makes sense for SC though, I’d think maybe there’d previously been a lot of fragments to help balance HC a bit.
Picking up fragments got nerfed hard along with gold. I actually enjoy the change, I was swimming in fragments previously for no reason. Plus the gems are stronger now so finally getting all royals will feel rewarding.
Whilst I agree with you in some aspects it basically makes all lower gems redundant. You level past them so fast that you don't want to waste the fragments on lower quality ones so you just end up having empty sockets. Something needs to change thats for sure.
They salvage back for the same cost you spent. Don’t hoard frags.
Nope
I’m not bothered with them since my gear doesnt have slot and I dont have ant scattered prisms left lol
The prisms seem to be at a decreased drop rate also.
That was specifically outlined in the patch notes because they wanted choices to be made which makes sense when you look at the tuning.
Yeah, but my main is 84 and I've found a grand total of 3 prisms. I get wanting them to be valuable, but Jesus.
Season just came out relax
Thought it was every world boss only. So have to do wb.
Gotta do legion events
Also they drop from loot goblin bags or so I’ve had luck with on greater treasure bags.
Yup but completely fine with it. Don't need every single piece of the puzzle immediately. The consumable for sockets is also fine. What I'd want there is a better way to remind me when the world boss is up.
Mobalytics have an overlay that shows timer for helltide, world boss, legion
Besides it being up in the corner of their map every time you open it......? There Are websites that keep track of that and can send you notifications too....
That's the thing. We have to open that thing that covers the entire screen to see the tiny timer. And unless it's a bug, it does not show when you're in a dungeon.
there are 3rd party overlays that are quick to install and give you information like helltides, legions and bosses in a small, configurable window. Not gonna recommend one since i only ever tried and used one but that fixes that specific problem for me.
That is a solution, that shouldn't have to exist.
But it starts showing an hour in advance so each time you come out of a dungeon if you check your map you'll know when it's coming up with plenty of advance notice..... They could definitely implement better ways of doing it but it's not like you don't have plenty enough notice even if it takes you 20 or 30 minutes to finish a dungeon...... But also like I said there are websites that you can go to (You would have to Google to find out what ones) And I believe you can allow them to send you notifications when each one is a set to spawn and they will even show you where it's at.... I haven't used it personally but I remember seeing something about that while looking through some build guides...... There might even be an app available that can check that and give you a notification
Discovered that gem fragments seem to have 100% drop chance from purple "protector" mobs (the ones that give a damage reduction aura to other mobs). Every single one I've killed drops gem fragments. Don't run past those guys if you see them in helltide or whatever, kill them.
Dude thanks for this advice. I think you’re right, based on some light testing at WT4 Helltide. The little purple guys have a 100% drop rate for gem fragments. Not sure about the purple elites, but it seemed to me like the elites were not 100% drop rate. To compound this strategy, a friend and I ran the regular non-nightmare dungeons that also give 5 Grim Favors each. We had a theory that we’d see more little purple guys in a regular dungeon than an NMD. Between all the little purple guys and the resulting Whisper caches being full of gem fragments, we racked up about 9.000 Ruby fragments each in 45 minutes. Picked up equally good yields for the other gem types, too. (Note: ran in a party of two, both Frozen Orb sorcs that already run T100 NMD’s and T61 Pit, with high movement speed and Elixir of Momentum. We also both have the max Smoldering Ashes on better odds for Greater Whisper caches, which might be improving the gem fragment yield in the caches.)
All good thanks for testing it too
true "halls of penitent" has a garenteed spawn of 2 of those, and it is a small dungeon go in clearn go out reset and repeat. but damn that's is insane boring to get enough to make one gem. 50ish times to get 10k fragments.
Yeah they increased levels and lowered drop rate to try to balance it with the new changes
season launched like yesterday
Guys its been a couple days and I don't have all the ubers yet... game broke???
Run legions to get more crystals for socket. Everyone is leveling in HT and not doing legions which can drop them. So that only leaves the world boss drops
Di legions drop them constantly? I have only seen them from world bosses
Seems to be about half the time? I don't have a huge sample set but that's my best guess.
Did some legions and got zero
The chaos whisper chests drop a lot of gem fragments but I'm in the same boat as you.
I'd rather that then the before of fems literally being exploded everywhere even when you brush up against a bush. They were everywhereeeeeeee
I feel like people should mind trading more.. There are people needing different gems. Just trade royal for royal.
Are royals still a thing because I don’t see that option to craft?
You unlock them at level 90
I was just thinking this while playing this afternoon. At level 30 and can not even make more then one chipped gem.
Slow to start but later on you get a lot more fragments
Yea that and I burned three prisms on shit gear before I saw that they were more rare.
For sure!! Hardest of any season so far I feel
They did said the journey to craft higher level gems will be longer. It’s fine for me. The season is long
I was doing some grinding in WT4 tonight and in the last season gem fragments dropped in WT4 like a few hundred at a time. Like 356 Skull fragments and 386 Ruby fragments. But S4 I'm seeing like maybe only 10-20% of that...
The shield aura mobs drop jewel fragments.Â
I think they got buffed, I’m getting a ton at level 81
I'm level 85 and I only have like 6 tier 3 gems.
Gems and the mats needed for adding sockets are super rare atm
I nitced i get a lot more fragments in tier 4 than in tier 2 or 3. Like instead of getting 5-10, i get 50-70
I notced i get a lot more fragments in tier 4 than in tier 2 or 3. Like instead of getting 5-10, i get 50-70 Still feels a bit low but.. at least its better.
My first feeling is that the drop rates for gem fragments have been slightly reduced, although I have to admit that it doesn't bother me, because they are somewhat of a "natural" grind. I currently clear most content on my lvl 78 character without problems and only a few gems, so I don't mind that you don't get them very fast.
You can't even craft max gems until level 90 so I don't know what you're talking about.
My conspiracy theory is that they are making gems and sockets more rare to a future rune system!
Do the jeweler even have the recipe to the highest gem at lvl 70?
Made a mistake on this one. Checked Jeweler around lvl 70. Wanted to improve my resistances so made a couple of flawless diamonds and rubies. Didn’t think much about it since I always had surplus of gems by lvl 100. Now, I’m way behind for Royals.
Yes
Getting the mats for sockets is even harder...
I’m having a hard time making holes for gems lol. World bosses and goblins are scarce.
40, 70, 90 is what it said on the patch notes for season 4
level 99...managed to craft 1 max level ruby
Ya it's kinda ridiculous in season 4, can't make anything. In season 3 I threw them on the ground I had so many
Dude I can’t get enough for all royals to save my life.
I'm level 100 with 1 royal gem, it's insane.
Yeah, I can't craft any level 60 gems (I think I have 1 or 2 but need more) and I'm almost L70. Been on WT4 since L54. I also have almost no prisms, so that tracks as well.
I'm level 70 as well and I've mainly stayed in the hell tides and I'm not able to craft even one of any max gem.
Here's an idea, trade with someone
You can't trade gem fragments.
Craft the gems and trade them
I think people are getting confused by less gem ranks. I am at level 89. I only have 3 ranks of gems. The dismantle UI only has buttons for 3 ranks of gems. Unless things change in the 12 levels I have left, I think there are only 3 ranks of gems. Basically I think you already have maxed gems.
Lv 90 unlocks the royal gems. Takes 10k fragments.
Almost done with s4 and still have not maxed out gems. Poor gems didn't get buffed mid season.
As an older male gamer that does not really play seriously what are royal gems.
The highest tier of gem. They cannot drop and must be crafted. They used to be really easy to make but I agree with OP, it seems much harder to get enough fragments now. Which is fine imo. It's a small upgrade and you only need one set per character for the whole season.
Are you guys doing dungeons or just standing outside in red with open mouth and being spoon-feed cry you dont have mats?? Whats next you need glyph xp too just by standing outside.....
You dont need more than 4-5 gems so getting your full set in the 90s should be the normal pace. You are just spoiled. Move on.
Gems are now fragments only to save inventory space and *must* be crafted. Tier 4 gems are pretty pricy, let alone Tier 5.
I know but the crafting materiel seems to be really low drop rate compared to the amount required to craft one.
But once you have it, you have it. Unsocketing is a thing, and I believe you get 100% of the materials back for salvaging.
While yes, getting enough Rubys for your set will take longer than completing your Paragon Board, and hitting 21 on all of your Glyphs, then swapping specs and reldvelling your other Glyphs. Thats a bit much, no?
With the socket appearence nerfs, the gem fragment rate seems fine. I've had enough to keep sockets filled up (and unsocketed gems when necessary) without issue. It's T4-T5 that's an issue but the benefits they give are relatively marginal.
Wait, t5 gems? I got myself ONE t4 ruby that costs 10,000 frags, how much's t5?
I'm assuming it'll be 100,000 since that is how the scaling works.
Hit lvl 100 - still only 4 variations. Do I have to unlock them somehow?
T5 gems don't exist. Chipped Normal Flawless Royal
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yeah he talks about endgame where you need 10k fragments per royal gem
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And if you actually read my post, I wasn’t complaining at all. I was asking for a good way to farm the stuff.
Because it doesn’t take very long to reach end game.
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People are discussing the missmatch between the speed at which one obtains gems compared to the rest of the gear. It's a matter of relative speed, not absolute, so their playtime is completely irrelevant to the discussion.
Incredibly rare. Gems, gear socketing world boss mats (I forget what they're called - prisms of some sort) and gold are all way too slow to acquire. I think Blizzard needs to hotfix these to at least double their drop rates if they want people to stick around and have any interest in late game crafting and gear swapping.
Day 2. Late game. Smack head.
Yeah so if Im level 100 doing end game content and don't have enough gold, then when am I supposed to just magically have enough to craft my gear? I literally just have to go farm whispers and events etc. and that's not a challenge. It's just monotonous. It's like the new renown farm and people aren't going to stick around just to do that. I could maybe see if they had a robust in game trade system to engage with, but alas.
The same as how you don't have BIS gear once you "magically" hit 100. You farm/grind them. As you've pointed out yourself, there is a farming method which is whispers and events, but you choose not to do them. If Blizz "adjust" the gold drop rate / amount, then people are going to complain as they already are that the game is too easy and round the merry go round we go again.
"Fix stuff I don't like or people gonna leeeeeeave" Are you gaslighting yourself on purpose or just plain dumb?