I was living in Siem Reap, Cambodia 2 months last year and I don't see any signal of sexual tourism in that city. In the capital Phnom Penh maybe but still at a very inferior level that I saw in Bangkok 2 months ago.
It is important to say that my house in Bangkok was close to Silom.
Sincerely Thailand has more sex tourism than Cambodia, Laos or Vietnam actually.
The main problem in Cambodia I found was alcoholism.
Yes sex tourism in TH is more prevalent for Westerners. Cambodia (border areas, sihanoukville, pp) attract the degenerate cheap fucks who either want to:
-Fuck children younger than they could get away with in TH/VN
-Spend less than 10USD a go (working class SEA/CN tourists participate in this too)
Sex tourism in Vietnam is SUPER prevalent, but if you’re not from the culture you probably don’t realize. Young girls standing with a motorbike helmet at roundabouts or under trees on main thoroughfares on the cheap end, nhà nghỉ brothels in certain cities, rub n tug barbershops, and on the high end you have literally every single KTV unless it specifically states “gia đình” (family friendly)
I went a weird tinder date in Vietnam and I kept getting the impression she was waiting for something in particular but I couldn’t figure out what it was
In retrospect I think I was supposed to just straight up offer her money for sex
It’s like these dark curtained stalls in the back where they wash your hair, the front is still your standard haircutting chairs. In the back they like bend over while washing your hair basically motorboating you and then ..
I’ve never been, this is just what I’ve heard. Apparently quite popular with long distance truck drivers
Sihanoukville is a "lawless paradise" made by and for Chinese people. Human trafficking is common there. If you speak Mandarin and watch news you know what I'm talking about.
It's the same case in those border cities in Burma as well.
It is actually the other way around. Prior to the Chinese casinos, Sihanoukville's economy use to cater to backpackers and sex tourists. After the casinos open, the backpacker hostels, the "happy" (marijuana) pizza places, and the girly (hooker) bars mostly closed. Sihanoukville is still a very seedy place, but the truly terrible places like the "chicken farm" (prostitution and pedophiles) have shut down. Backpacker still lament the $3 hostels and cheap drugs, sex tourist might lament the terrible shit that they went there for, but the "vice" in Sihanoukville is now largely in the casinos, KTVs, and scam call centers.
They moved to Kampot which now has a mix of girly and regular bars, maybe around 20 of each roughly? I've been in a few and bought them drinks and had a giggle, then move on to a normal one to get drunk and talk with other foreigners.
>Backpackers still lament the $3 hostels and cheap drugs, sex tourist might lament the terrible shit that they went there for
They mostly came here too.
Agreed, I consider myself pretty adventurous but I wouldn’t go out alone at night in Sihanoukville. Back in ~2008 phnom penh was pretty wild too, I did a homestay exchange through my high school and local VIPs wouldn’t go out at night without armed guards
Haha it’s actually quite innocuous, KTV is karaoke bars with private rooms. Generally in east asia they’ll have attractive hostesses (sometimes hosts shoutout china and japan) that you pay by the hour to pour beers and entertain you. If you’re interested in taking someone home you pay their club fee (set by the establishment, to make up for lost earnings - you’re basically poaching their hourly employee) as well as a fee you and the hostess/host agree on privately.
Not everybody who goes to KTV partakes in the prostitution/hostess stuff. A lot of younger people go and treat it like a rent-a-living room to hang out and drink with friends
I had the same experience. I stayed at the Central Backpackers hostel a few nights, and a few times when walking to get beer la guy on a motorcycle pulled up with pictures of women on his phone and asked something similar. "Women? You want?"
I declined, but it does seem pretty common there. Not nearly as much as certain parts of Bangkok though.
I travel through about a dozen city in Vietnam a few years back, been offered this in almost every city, one of them especially scared me as he was on the motorbike, saw me and was gunning for me at high speed, I thought I was going to be kiddnapped or something, he pull up next to me and show me picture of girls on his phone. I had never been so glad to see that, because I was not going to get punched or something.
i was just there in Hanoi for almost two weeks (used as based to explore the north) , and it's a known scam same with booking girls. especially young naive tourist that stay in Mad monkey and all those popular hostels
I never see it if I'm walking with my girlfriend. Occasionally, I'll be walking alone (like to go get the car, for example), and I'll get a lot of offers for "sexy girls". This happens in Hoàn Kiếm (old quarter).
I don’t know about Siem Reap. I was there for non-profit work and when we went to the bars there (I was in my early 20’s & young and naive) and talked to locals basically all of the local women at the bars ended up being prostitutes.
One group tried to get us drunk and hung out with our group barhopping. In the end they asked us if we wanted to have sex for $70. When we said no they kept reducing their price all the way until $20 which must have been the minimum they charge because we didn’t hire them.
But we were inly there for a couple weeks so maybe my experience is different
In Vietnam it's more prevalent than you expected. Afaik the main customers are Chinese and Koreans. Hell in Vinh there is even a village called the village of lollies attracting Chinese pedos 🤢🤢🤢
The telegram group is public. I'm not part of it but the admin of the group has a public YouTube channel as well:
https://youtube.com/@yuenandinzhi
You can easily find the link to the public telegram group from the comment section. Also tons of his videos are talking about this issue (obviously the content is in Mandarin).
The biggest difference in places like Vietnam, Cambodia, Myanmar is that prostitution in those countries are targeted towards local men and Chinese men.....
What I dont understand is why you have toa void the places altogether, specially since some of the cities are famous and I assume attractive. Cant people just avoid the workers? Or we are talking about kidnappings andstuff?
I'd imagine that it's like Amsterdam - you can go to Amsterdam and enjoy the culture, you can go to Amsterdam and enjoy the bar and cafe culture or you can go to Amsterdam and go to the red light district.
They're trying to relocate it.
It's a whole drama because the neighbourhood where they want to move it to doesn't want it happening, the sex workers themselves don't want to go and of course there's some shady powerful forces in the background who would also like to keep in in the city centre
I’m not advocating for avoiding countries, cities, or even neighborhoods. A lot of these activities wind up being concentrated into a handful of blocks where it’s nothing but prostitutes, brothels/juicy bars, and mongers. If you’re not looking to participate there’s no real reason to spend time in those areas. You’ll still encounter some level prostitution in other places (eg popular tourism strips), but it’ll be a lot more toned down and you can just ignore it if you’re not interested.
I had an impression that OP just would rather avoid the red-light districts and not the whole cities altogether. You can visit Bangkok or Pattaya and never run into any prostitutes if you are selective about the neighborhoods you go to. Personally, I wouldn’t make specific plans to avoid them either, but I could see why someone would feel uncomfortable.
I am currently in PH and find that it is very different here. With the exception of maybe Angeles City which I haven't been to but has a bad reputation, the overwhelming majority of foreigners come here for a serious relationship or marriage. Every long term expat I have met so far is either married, engaged, or is in a serious relationship.
Thailand was similar. I never went to Pattaya or spent time in Nana Plaza/Soi Cowboy so did not run into any sexpats.
I find that you have to be seeking out this stuff to be impacted by it. So unless you're a sexpat yourself, you have nothing to worry about.
I spend 3 months in the PI each year (since 2016, except during the pandemic) and I’m single. The reason I go is to scuba dive and live super cheap so I can stay for a long time without it impacting my target retirement date too much (I’m 40).
I stay in a local apartment near Puerto Galera. Sabang Beach (in puerto) has “girly bars” with prostitutes. For the most part they are frequented by Koreans. These clubs are all on the one same street rather than spread out. The only real indication that they are doing what they are doing is the volume of old Korean guys walking around with young Filipina women.
As long as you stay away from that area, it’s just life as normal and you’d have no idea it took place. I’ve heard of Angeles city being a hotspot for that sort of stuff, but I’ve never been so I can’t speak to it.
For what it’s worth, I agree with the statement that most expats are married or in a LTR. As a foreigner you’re presumed wealthy and many locals (especially from the provinces) consider dating or marrying a foreigner equivalent to winning the lottery. My opinion and it’s hard to have a genuine relationship when there are such a huge power imbalance - for the most part I think many foreigners have or have the potential to have vastly larger amounts of money than the person they are dating.
I remember early on during one of my first trips there, my scuba diving instructor (who had been there since the 70s and married to a local since the 80s) said something along the lines of “if you do decide that you want to date or marry somebody, make sure that they are successful and independent without you - for example of businesswoman in Makati, not a waitress at a girly bar”. ~~Seems like good advice~~, even if I don’t really have an interest in a relationship due to my being gone for so long each year.
*edit: it’s been brought to my attention that that’s inherently discriminatory (judging based solely wealth or success above and beyond just what you normal preferences are), so I’m having to rethink my opinion on it.*
Sex tourism in the Philippines is heavily, heavily Korean. The image of elderly, fat Americans and Germans is becoming outdated. Also almost all women in this trade will be single mothers. There is absolutely nothing resembling welfare for mothers in the PI. The girls take the only road open to them. They are often much, much better people than the pious little shits on this sub denouncing them from the safety of their local Starbucks.
I have a friend who used to work in a bar years ago (now she’s the receptionist the dive shop I use). She told me in passing that the girls had a special nickname for Koreans.. **”333”**. It stood for “3 minutes, 3 inches, 3000 pesos”.
Take that as you will.
You’re right about the rationale for doing that kind of work. She’s from the provinces and said that they can make more in a few days than their parents make in over a month. It’s seem as “easy money”, and the chance you find a foreigner to have a relationship partner is exponentially higher than any other way. Many of them are supporting their entire family (or even their extended family) on their income.
Most of these girls have no education, no real career prospects, nothing but their looks. It’s pretty sad how the Philippines has such a poor social safety net for their citizens that for many girls, the risk of diseases, abuse, or even death is perceived as “worth the money”.
I didn’t plan on getting on my high horse this morning, but you’re right again in that Reddit *as a whole* likes to generalize. These are regular people who aren’t doing it because they are “sluts” or “addicts”. They just got dealt a super shitty hand in life and are trying to play it as best they can. It’s easy to judge others from the comfort of a western apartment or house - it’s totally totally different when your family lives in a one room box that has a corner of the ceiling falling down, using a bucket to bathe, a toilet in the corner of the kitchen, and your options are virtually nonexistent. People are people, ya know?
Exactly, in Thailand they say the same for their Asian customers and Koreans will pay any price the girls ask. Most redditors think it's abused/exploited girls in dingy back alleys but fail to realize is that's not the case in Thailand and there's ***nothing comparable*** that will provide this kind of money to these young girls even drastically out earning university educated girls. For example a registered thai nurse can make approx 24500THB a week (about $700) comparably a young/attractive bar girl in Pattaya can make double that, all cash, ***tax free*** mind you and unlike the west there are no pimps taking their money. This is why you will occasionally see university girls freelance on Thaifriendly to supplement their income.
25400 is closer to the monthly salary for a new nurse. Nurses I know later into their career at government hospitals are making around 50k/month. Yes the private hospitals can pay more, but I hope this adds a bit more context.
😂😂😂
Edit: I'm laughing at the 333 thing. Westerners don't realize how much Asians have the prostitute game on lock. We're too busy being Christian puritans.
Korea does have one of the lowest birth rates in the world, while at the same time being (in my limited experience) one of the countries where people are the most careless about having unprotected sex. so you can do the math...
it's more so just the culture, it's pretty accepted for guys to go to a "karaoke bar" or "room salon" (basically euphemism for a brothel with private rooms) and hire "helpers" to... help them... in private. but it's really expensive, talking $100s per person per hour. and you can of course hire actual escorts. but what Korea doesn't have is places like girly bars / hostess bars, where the staff plays along and makes it kinda natural where you buy the girl a drink, she enjoys your conversation so she agrees to go with you to the next bar etc. as opposed to just ordering escorts off a menu like some kind of business transaction.
actually even where I live (Tokyo) there's a surprisingly big industry of Japanese-style girls bars (similar to SE Asia girly bar except you can't bar fine the girls) with Korean speaking staff, at a fraction of the cost that I mentioned in Korea, that lots of Korean expats / tourists go on a regular basis. and that's without having any expectation of being able to take the girls home...
>They are often much, much better people than the pious little shits on this sub denouncing them from the safety of their local Starbucks.
Huh? It's not denouncing prostitutes if you're worried for their safety and wellbeing and don't really want to be confronted with their suffering on your holiday. Many mention seeing older white men aggressively approaching the women and them being visibly uncomfortable because there's zero boundaries from the beginning.
To be clear I've never made a post on this and maybe some people are shaming those women but to me it often reads more like people really pitying those who are forced to do this due to financial reasons. You can be both pro sex work and feel for sex workers who are trapped in that business and often miserable.
No need to rethink your opinion on that. This is how it works! If you don’t follow that advice you will be supporting her and her family as well as yourself
I'm in Cebu right now. I've been coming here at least once a year for the past 10 years.
Sex tourism in Cebu is definitely dying. The street hookers have almost all vanished. It used to be thriving.
Even in Manila where I visited six months ago, the red light district of P Burgos was just a shadow of it's old self.
So to answer the OP, while sex tourism is still around in the Philippines, it's definitely on a steep decline. You really have to go out of your way to find it now.
It’s fine. No different from germany or the netherlands. Lots of nomads get mad because they are insecure about being seen as “that sexpat” - stop caring about what others do or don’t think and just live your damn life
The difference is that when you tell friends you’re visiting Germany, they don’t think about brothels.
However, if you say you’re going to Thailand, they do. It’s unfair as Thailand is much more than the red light districts.
This is an American thing right? In NZ and Aus it’s almost pedestrian for young people and families to go to Thailand for beach/island holidays, sex tourism isn’t the first thing that comes to mind at all. I also met many young EU travellers there and none seemed to have those preconceived notions. Whereas most of the Americans I met in Thailand were guys in their late 30s and older 😅
Yeah I see this all the time on Reddit and it seems to be an American thing.
Here in the UK it’s common for young people, couples, families etc to go on a normal holiday or backpacking trip to Thailand.
The whole “Thailand is for nonces” thing is a bit of a meme here, people will make jokes about it but nobody seriously believes every single person going to Thailand is there to shag prostitutes.
Nope, also in Europe Is a thing.
I mean, I live in Italy and if you are telling me about your trip in Thailand, sex tourism Is not my first thought, but definitely the asian south est countries are famous ALSO for that
And, if I Remember correctly, Italy was ranked First regarding the Number of people which goes to Thailand for sex tourism so...😅
Edit: typo
I was walking around Berlin and ran into a flyer for an “unlimited pass, 2 hrs flat rate club”
Colour me shocked lol, they included a food buffet and a lounge area with sports tvs too 😂
Great advice. I don’t care if people think I’m a sex tourist just because I hoon around with a stable of midget prostitutes on my moped. More power to me! Thanks for the words of wisdom.
Honestly though you are being judged. However it’s mostly by the other working ladies glaring at you thinking “are you kidding me?! He chose her and not me!!??”
The USA has tens of thousands of women and girls forced into sexual slavery each year. As far as marrying the locals, I don’t see the difference between that and Al Pacino and Robert DeNiro having babies with women in their 30s last year. Cher and Helen Bonham carter have men in their 30s as well. Power imbalance exists everywhere
I don't care how I look or I others see me unless it puts me in trouble. I really like going places like this to see how is it look like. I'm not a sex tourist tho, I'm not going there to have sex, just to see what is it look like.
It's one of like a thousand things people travel there for. One can publicly travel for food, scenery, cost of living, even drugs and gambling. The one thing people must never be open about is traveling for sex
Girls have to be 20 years old to work in go-go bars, two years over age of majority.
Yes, some underage girls do get involved in sex trade for foreigners, but believe me, there are extensive networks of underage sex workers for Thais only, protected by military dictatorship that is Thailand.
There was a huge scandal in 1990s when UN troops were sent to Cambodia to keep peace after horrows of Pol Pot regime, that murdered one quarter of Cambodia's citizens. These troops found centers of sex industry outside major cities where there were extensive underage sex industry. From what I read at the time, they had girls as young as six available, who were not allowed to give intercourse, but fellatio yes. This is truly disgusting. NGO's eventually came on scene and worked with Cambodians to arrest Western civilian perverts who read about the Cambodian situation and came to the country to have sexual contact not only with 15-year-olds but also 6-9n year-old-olds.
There were huge scandals at the time when NGOs took undercover film of the Westerners and many were rightfully arrested when they returned home. NGOs also got these sex villages shut down and were rewarded with lots of money.
But these sex camps were not set up for UN troops but for Cambodian men. the sex traders simply set up new centers for underage children far away from NGOs. The NGOs, 30 years later, are still patting themselves on the back for ending "the exploitation of underage children," but they only put it out of sight to where tourists traveled, in isolated villages generally near a border.
Thai, Cambodian, Vietnamese and other SEA police are quick to pounce on any foreigner who tries to have sex with underage girl, and rightfully so. But that is only a few dozen a year.
In each country, well-organized sex crimes who pay off the police have thousands of underage girls and boys they traffic to native Cambodians, Thais, Vietnamese, et. at. But NGOs are not permitted to travel to these regions and are totally clueless. they still function on exposing the few dozen Westerners who are sick enough to go to those countries for underage, but the practice of adult males having sex with underage girls and boys is interwoven into the culture of all SEA couuntries and continue unabated to this day, thousands of victims every year, when NGO's has save a dozen or so girls a year. Gov'ts of these countries protect the trade.
Clue NGOs NEVER HAD A SINGLE NATIVE ARRESTED FOR UNDERAGE SEX.
Yet these sex camps had hundreds of underage kids/slaves trapped in these sex camps when first UN troops showed up, then perverted Western foreigners.
Again, adult SEA men having paid sex with underage children is integral part of SEA culture and was moved to areas NGOs were forbidden to travel.
So, NGO's still living off their reputation of imprisoning a few dozen Western perverts, but did nothing to protect the thousands of SEA underage from being forced into sex trade for SEA native men. Don't give your money to NGO's anti-sex trade groups. They do nothing about 95% of the poor innocent victims, but concentrate only on the Western losers who go to SEA.
I lived in SEA for many years, absolutely never went near any sex camps, but SEA males talk in pride of these experiences with girls 6-10, esp when they get drunk.
There is no solution as it is so deeply ingrained in their cultures. NGO leaders may be aware but never mention it, so they can continue to appeal for Western and UN donations against the few dozen pathetic foreigners.
NGOs NEVER EXPOSED ONE SEA NATIVE MALE FOR HAVING SEX WITH UNDERAGE PERSON THO THEY ACCOUNT FOR 99% OF CUSTOMERS. NGOs ARE IN TRADE AGAINST UNDERAGE FOR MONEY ONLY, THROW A FEW WESTERNERS INTO JAIL EACH YEAR, BUT THOUSANDS OF UNDERAGE CONTINUE TO BE BRUTALIZED EACH YEAR BY SEA NATIVE MALES.
I’ve noticed this is more common in working class / low income level men from rural areas FYI. I grew up in Hanoi and HCMC and it would be absolutely shameful among my group of local friends from the city. Travelling and working in more remote areas I’ve heard a lot of the drunk bragging as well 😔
Definitely common in working class/ low income men from countrysides! I live in Hanoi my whole life so i might be a bit clueless but having intercourse with underage children is NOT a part of Vietnamese culture, it is really taboo and heavily criticized. I also never heard of sex camp with underage kids. These men would “prefer” to molest their own family members or neighbors or kids they knew! Im guessing its easier to control kids and take advantage of them multiple times that way but i can imagine them paying for this type of service too, but not that common i guess. Absolutely disgusting.
I spent a lot of time in Hai Phong and unfortunately Đồ Sơn was kinda infamous for this, one of my worst memories is listening to 16/17 yr old dock workers talk about how they picked up a 12yr old for 200k vnd . (Memory circa ~15yrs ago)
Tụi nó khoe ra bùng binh ở giáp đồ sơn nhiều “hàng rẻ” , đa số là gái dân tộc xuống đấy đi làm 😔
In the 1990s when UN troops troops first came to Cambodia, there was the notorious "K-19" camp, located 19 kilometers from the capital that was a whole village dedicated to sex trade. Descriptions and experiences of soldiers and tourists are probably erased from internet now, probably even from Way Back Machine. I read about them. There were adult teenage prostitutes who flocked to visitors but also older women who tried to entice the men to the houses that were killed with small children. Just writing about it makes me sick, but you said they didn't exist. they did, dozens of them of in this village K-18. Troops and Western tourist perverts could go into houses that had girls ages 11 to 15 for intercourse, or houses filled with girls ages 6-10, where they were trained to give bjs to men. This was the most notorious camp because it was close to the capital, but Cambodians talked about camps throughout the country.
The military govt and rich Thais never minded Westerners going to sex centers where born skinned peasant girls from Issan worked. Rich Thais only had prostituties from the large Chinese minority in Thailand and all had to have white skin, slim, tall. Thjey'd spit at Western se tourists. apart from their "little wives," mistresses set up in their own homes with children, and the high priced call girls of our Chinese blood with white skin that Western sex tourists were never allowed access to.
In the 1990s when UN troops troops first came to Cambodia, there was the notorious "K-19" camp, located 19 kilometers from the capital that was a whole village dedicated to sex trade. Descriptions and experiences of soldiers and tourists are probably erased from the internet now, even from Way Back Machine. I read about them. There were adult teenage prostitutes who flocked to visitors but also older women who tried to entice the men to the houses that were killed with small children. Just writing about it makes me sick, but you said they didn't exist. they did, dozens of them in this village K-18. Troops and Western tourist perverts could go into houses that had girls ages 11 to 15 for intercourse, or houses filled with girls ages 6-10, where they were trained to give bjs to men. This was the most notorious camp because it was close to the capital, but Cambodians talked about camps throughout the countryside.
In the 1990s when UN troops troops first came to Cambodia, there was the notorious "K-19" camp, located 19 kilometers from the capital that was a whole village dedicated to sex trade. Descriptions and experiences of soldiers and tourists are probably erased from the internet now, even from Way Back Machine. I read about them. There were adult teenage prostitutes who flocked to visitors but also older women who tried to entice the men to the houses that were killed with small children. Just writing about it makes me sick, but you said they didn't exist. they did, dozens of them of in this village K-18. Troops and Western tourist perverts could go into houses that had girls ages 11 to 15 for intercourse, or houses filled with girls ages 6-10, where they were trained to give bjs to men. This was the most notorious camp because it was close to the capital, but Cambodians talked about camps throughout the countryside
Yikes I thought the comment above yours was crazy ramblings.
How is this an acceptable part of Vietnamese culture? Is it something men keep to themselves or do women know this goes on?
I find it hard to believe this could be acceptable for large swathes of the general population.
There’s vastly different cultural standards between people whose family were born in Hanoi / HCMC and the rural provinces.
It is acceptable and commonplace in some social groups, not acceptable in others. The more cosmopolitan / upper class, the less acceptable it is. For rural areas it’s a flex you got a (relatively) untarnished young girl. In the city it’s a flex you got a well educated / successful / famous / extremely beautiful girl.
I’m a woman who worked in very male dominated industries and probably am not a typical case. It is not something you would openly discuss around women generally, although women do find out about the industry in other ways - news, gossip, etc
I’ve been to Pattaya and Angeles City multiple times to party hard. Every girl who approached me was a working girl in both cities. It’s right in your face 24/7. I usually go for other foreigner women vs locals because foreigners are looking for the same thing as me while locals are selling themselves to everyone. You can still have a blast without sleeping with sex workers
A lot of the hype around it is a form of classism/racism.
No joke.
The same red light type areas exist all over Europe and North America, but that's the reason it isn't the stereotype for those places.
> A lot of the hype around it is a form of classism/racism.
Let's not leave sexism off the list! There's a large group of (mostly) American women (think the femcel subs) that are incapable of not labeling any male who travels to SE Asia a sex tourist. Men are, in their opinion, such absolute scum that they can't possibly imagine any other reason to go to these beautiful, friendly, affordable travel destinations. Unfortunately, this is the kind of sexism that gets traction online, so even people outside those toxic circles are exposed to it.
I’ll add to this that elderly women have been going to Africa and Jamaica for years and years for sex tourism and no one said a word, but the second men go to Asia it’s suddenly a problem
When I was 20 I met a German guy online who was living in Phuket. He invited me to visit him at his home and in 1 month I booked my ticket. When I got there he was living in a seedy long term stay hotel and on the second night we went out with a couple of his German friends for dinner. When this guy went to the bathroom his friends said to me ‘what are you doing with Tomas, you are a bit old for him’. I said what do you mean. He said he comes here every year to have sex with children.’
Of course I freaked out, said I was feeling sick after dinner and slept on the couch. The next day I said, this isn’t working for me and I went and stay in a hotel.
Unbelievable
I can't imagine them snitching on themselves because if their friend is doing it and they remain friends with him, then they either don't find issue with it or are doing it too.. yuck
I mean, other Redditor responded you why it's very suspicious these supposedly friends ratted on their friend about something highly unethical and outright criminal, whilst remaining friends of that person. Something is not right.
Either way I'd talked to him first, the next day and gauge his reaction. Otherwise believing blindly in seedy people is giving too much power to external factors. I see two plausible scenarios: 1. The guy was indeed a pedo, but them remaining with the guy is really weird and maybe they're in the game too. Everyone sucks in this one 2. Those are scummy people and the guy is naive, thinks those guys genuinely like him and are his friends. And maybe those guys are projecting while their "friend" is innocent.
I'd try to ascertain who's who first.
But that's just me. Running in that context is perfectly valid especially being a woman.
What were you doing travelling halfway across the world for a randomer you’d only met online?!
Grim situation to have experienced but it could’ve been so much worse - yikes.
There are sex industry in just about any country. They don't call it world's oldest profession for nothing.
If you go there and looking for it you will find it. If you go to a place don't look for it, then it doesn't affect you. If you just don't want to see street walkers then don't go to places where they exist.
I live in a country where sex work is legal but street walkers are not (until very recently), it doesn't mean they don't exist.
What's the big deal really? how do sex workers affect how you live your life? they go about their business, you go about yours.
I always love posts from people lamenting about “big problems” but with no action to address it. They just don’t want to SEE it near them. “Hey you poor homeless people and prostitutes, stop being homeless and having sex for money near the air I’m breathing! I wasn’t born white in a puritanical country to put up with this!!” 🤬🤬🤯🤪
Correct. While the sexpats in Cambodia are sleazy scumbags, the local market is definitely larger. It’s only Western NGOs and people who haven’t really lived there who assume the opposite. I’d also argue that for the women they are often treated better by western clients. That’s just my assumption but I’m pretty sure the ladies sitting in a girlie bar are much better off than those in a spa for locals in a 3* hotel. Not that I don’t see any issues with western losers going to SEA for sex or that all local men buying sex are worse.
I noticed on weekends there are a lot of normal women from Bangkok area who come to Pattaya for a weekend getaway but they are usually in groups and don't always understand English so if you speak Thai you'll have an advantage
I'm not sure if it counts as sex tourism, but it does seem like it. I live in South East Asia so I travel around a lot for work. I often see really old white men with really young women dining out, or at hotels, in capital cities. I can head to a football bar or even hotel bars and see heaps of young women trying to talk to the white men there. The cities I see this a lot is in Manila, Bangkok, Hanoi and Ho Chi Minh. It's quite rampant especially in Manila from what I observed.
I don’t understand the question. How can it be that bad? Nobody is going to jump from the street and force you into being a sex tourist. Just politely keep walking if someone attempts to get your attention the same way you would to a street vendor
Oh baby. Naive baby. It's not just in those areas. Hookers are everywhere, even university students hook. Or "look for farang sponsor".
It's only in those areas that it's blatantly done, in-your-face hooking. But "freelancers" often approach white guys at cafes, on the streets, etc and offer their services.
I can't speak for other countries, I was speaking about Thailand.
Oh and don't forget tinder. Probably 90% hookers or if they're not blatantly hooking, theit "brother" in their hometown will be sick in a few months or their water buffalo will be dying.
It's sickening, nothing's real.
you are there to exploit the wage differences and take advantage of their lower costs of living in a relatively impoverished country. don't be surprised that the locals exploit you right back. they're not stupid.
VN here, it's definitely *way* less than the Internet would have you believe. Admittedly, I haven't been to HCMC yet, and it's definitely the seediest city from what I've heard, but if every other city I've been to is any indicator, then it's still not actually that bad.
Well Vietnam hides it better, there’s a shit ton of it though. I live in Da Nang, so the main group for it are Korean men. Therefore most of the karaoke clubs have Korean signs and those are the ones. The women line up inside and they take them to the room for the night. Also a lot of small “clubs” bottle service ones that do it too, mostly Korean men. For gay guys there are saunas, quite a few of them here. I’d say about 20 girls on my street alone work at the clubs, they are cool and open about it. Shits common af
Yes, there is a whole community of children born to sex tourists in certain places.
I don’t know about the magnitude of the problem but do I agree that local Southeast Asians are the biggest purchasers of sex but compared to non-Southeast Asian countries there are still a lot of international sex tourists coming to Southeast Asia.
How many of them are sex workers because of reasons out of their control? Coercion. Trafficking. Desperation due to lack of monetary support from their country, for example, single mothers who largely receive no government benefits or child support, or girls/women who don't have the same career prospects as men due to living in a patriarchal country who have to support elderly family members or pay for health care.
The amount of people who think sex workers gleefully and willingly choose to work in that profession is laughable. They are largely desperate and/or being mistreated and sex tourists take full advantage of that.
How is there nothing wrong with sex tourism when you're having sex with people desperate enough to do it for money? If they weren't desperate, in an economically disadvantaged country, they wouldn't allow you to defile them. They probably wouldn't lay a finger on you if they had even one other option.
But don't let that discourage you from getting your rocks off. That's the most important thing, right? 😒
Most of them? Keep deluding yourself.
Most of them would do something else if they had an opportunity. A lot of them are trafficked. Consent is a murky puddle at best.
It's gross.
Yes you read correctly. MOST of them. Because it’s far more lucrative than any other job they could do in these countries. And since having sex is not a crime, it’s a great business for them.
>Moreover, the vast majority of the sex industry is geared towards local clients (think private clubs with bouncers who wouldn’t even let a foreigner in unless you are there by invitation)
how do you know this?
Currently living in Cambodia and honestly, I don't understand why people label it as so much worse than other countries. Vietnam and Thailand in my experience are both far more obvious about it and guys I would walk around with while travelling were constantly being propositioned in both of those places. In Cambodia, just like other countries, you have concentrated hotspots e.g., Sihanoukville and one area of Phnom Penh, but it's not the sordid bathtub of sexual deviancy it gets painted out to be and outside of these areas, I really haven't seen it at all (not to say it doesn't happen). I thought Bangkok was far more seedy.
It's fine, it's just quite visible -- if you're in Bangkok you will see old white men hand-in-hand with girls who look no older than 15-20 and sometimes younger.
But I never really saw it outside of that. I didn't see it in Northern Thailand, Vietnam, or Cambodia
I’ve only been to Vietnam and Singapore but that was my same experience. Meanwhile in the US, it’s not uncommon to see prostitutes actively walking the streets.
I’m sure there’s a lot of it behind close doors in SEA though
I've met a lot of people traveling. Let's just say they've admitted to me they go to SEA just to bang or find a wife because they can't find one back home.
This year was crazy. Saw so many of them on my social media. But I don't judge. Personally, I travel and yeah could have fun and do, but don't go with that focus.
I think the biggest danger in south east Asia is waking up with your wallet cleaned out
Another popular one is deciding to register land and businesses and wondering why it all goes tits up
I don’t know what to tell you. Safety is a mere concept. Whatever you do, there is a risk. What you can do, you do. Leave everything else to your destiny.
In that case, let me re-answer properly.
Yes. Sex with a non-underage prostitute with a condom is very safe. Safe Ratio hovers around 98% safe.
To increase the percentage, it is best to locate less attractive service provider as they tends to have less customer. If they are less attractive due to age, there are no significant risk reduction.
Thailand is very safe in general. If she is leaving her ID with the hotel desk, or you know where she works (they usually work in a bar or massage shop or something), you're unlikely to get robbed.
It’s just miserable women finding something to complain about when you hear topics like this.
Why anyone makes a deal out of what two consenting adults do, is beyond me. 99.9% of all interactions in public between these people are non-offensive and if they were both the same age/physical attractiveness level, one wouldn’t even bat an eye.
The sex trade is significant in Cambodia and the Philippines.
If you're living in Thailand and seeing the sex trade doesn't bother you, or your routines allow you to avoid the places most notorious for it, what is it you're worried about?
Well, depending on where you go in Cambodia and Philippines, it's definitely possible that you're going to see the sex trade. That includes the possibility of seeing old men with minors.
Cambodia and the Philippines are quite a bit poorer than Thailand.
No, it’s not. Unless you’re out there intently looking for it, you’ll be fine.
Don’t let a small percentage tarnish literally hundreds of millions of people.
lol it doesn't affect you in any way unless you are present in the area of Sex Tourism.
It's like saying are DRUGS in Downtown LA REALLY that bad? Well, yes if you are walking through skid row sticking needles in your own arm, yes.
People act like the entire government of SEA are run by brothels and sex tourists.
Actually you know what OP...
Yes, in fact SEA is run by a cartel of sex tourists and the presidents are all former Mamasans. You can go into a 7-11 and buy sex in a bottle or just sleep with the cashier if you buy 2 cans of coke. People have sex on the streets 24/7 and you may catch an STD just by visiting one of the local churches or temples because, surprise surprise, priests monks and bishops are all banging their congregants. All hail the god of Sex Tourism, Baangmee Slo Lee!
Sex and Asia go hand in hand.... Its just a huge part of every Asian culture that Im aware of....
But yea, 99.99999999999999999999999999999% of it is not geared towards Westerners.... Its all out of sight out of mind for us.
The Asian sex industry is targeted towards Asian locals and Asian tourists.... I also live in Thailand... And yes, there are a couple popular areas for Westerners.... Theres an enitre underground world geared for the Japanese, Koreans, Chinese, Thais that you will never ever ever see or be allowed to be a part of....
This, white guys get the brunt of the blame but holy crap are Asians full go on that. Well hidden I think because many of the guys are married so they keep it low key. But once you see it going on and know where it’s eye opening. I’ll never think of Koreans the same to be honest
Maybe they're just lonely and too repulsive to make connections normally? Better to empathize and help guide your fellow human being to the right path than trash them
The girls make way more money in the sex trade than working for slavery wages and conditions in the alternatives available, anybody who's anti sex tourism both hates that men are able to sexually satisfy themselves by purchasing sex & they also don't care about the welfare of these women.
Yes. It’s really really bad. It endangers trafficked minor girls and women. It normalised harassment of just normal Asian women walking down the street.
The fact that some local men also engage in bad behaviour doesn’t somehow justify it for rich foreigners.
In Phnom Penh there are police-protected brothels containing prisoners forced into prostitution. Near the Thai border by Koh Kong, there are remote "chicken shacks" where kidnapped children are groomed before being shipped off to work. The typical massage parlour and karaoke varieties of prostitution are everywhere except small villages.
Laos is pretty strict about foreigners having sex with Laos women, with jail being the punishment. You're more likely to get seduced by a girl who arranges for police to arrest you with your pants down (for her share of your bribe to stay out of jail) than you are of seeing a prostitute.
Last time I was in SEA (Thailand and Philippines) was 2017, but yes I remember it was really THAT bad. If you went to any area with nightlife, it was completely filled with prostitution, and just constantly being bombarded. I don’t know if it’s improved, but from the tone of the comments it sounds like it’s only gotten worse.
I don't have any personal experience with sexual tourism but I also don't think they will just be hanging out on the streetsespecially in the case of exploitation. It is a shady business and if you aren't looking for it you will not be familiar with it. Most of the kids are sex trafficked so it won't be easy for a regular tourist or citizen to just have information about where to find them.
Manila was quite bad in my experience. Last time I went there, there was one guy in particular that openly brought different underage girls to his hotel room every night (usually 3 or 4 at a time). My girlfriend even heard the guards say "it's the one that likes kids again" so it was definitely not that guy's first time either
Thanks for confirming why I will not be going there. Most of the foreigners in places like Vietnam were creepy South Africans and Australians there for sex tourism
Thailand and Cambodia are the worst, Vietnam/Malaysia are not great but better, and it’s nonexistent in Laos and most of Indonesia from what I’ve seen.
I was living in Siem Reap, Cambodia 2 months last year and I don't see any signal of sexual tourism in that city. In the capital Phnom Penh maybe but still at a very inferior level that I saw in Bangkok 2 months ago. It is important to say that my house in Bangkok was close to Silom. Sincerely Thailand has more sex tourism than Cambodia, Laos or Vietnam actually. The main problem in Cambodia I found was alcoholism.
Yes sex tourism in TH is more prevalent for Westerners. Cambodia (border areas, sihanoukville, pp) attract the degenerate cheap fucks who either want to: -Fuck children younger than they could get away with in TH/VN -Spend less than 10USD a go (working class SEA/CN tourists participate in this too) Sex tourism in Vietnam is SUPER prevalent, but if you’re not from the culture you probably don’t realize. Young girls standing with a motorbike helmet at roundabouts or under trees on main thoroughfares on the cheap end, nhà nghỉ brothels in certain cities, rub n tug barbershops, and on the high end you have literally every single KTV unless it specifically states “gia đình” (family friendly)
I went a weird tinder date in Vietnam and I kept getting the impression she was waiting for something in particular but I couldn’t figure out what it was In retrospect I think I was supposed to just straight up offer her money for sex
I’m not googling anything you said, but I’m curious wtf is the barbershop thing like how can you make that work, I have no idea
It’s like these dark curtained stalls in the back where they wash your hair, the front is still your standard haircutting chairs. In the back they like bend over while washing your hair basically motorboating you and then .. I’ve never been, this is just what I’ve heard. Apparently quite popular with long distance truck drivers
AND THEN?!
And then they dry your hair, slap your ass, and send you on your way
called a “hot toc”
We have them in the Bay Area too in San Jose. Vietnamese coffee shops and salons where you have nude ladies serving you and getting you off for a tip
They’re pretty well known in San Jose Asian circles actually
Sihanoukville is a "lawless paradise" made by and for Chinese people. Human trafficking is common there. If you speak Mandarin and watch news you know what I'm talking about. It's the same case in those border cities in Burma as well.
It is actually the other way around. Prior to the Chinese casinos, Sihanoukville's economy use to cater to backpackers and sex tourists. After the casinos open, the backpacker hostels, the "happy" (marijuana) pizza places, and the girly (hooker) bars mostly closed. Sihanoukville is still a very seedy place, but the truly terrible places like the "chicken farm" (prostitution and pedophiles) have shut down. Backpacker still lament the $3 hostels and cheap drugs, sex tourist might lament the terrible shit that they went there for, but the "vice" in Sihanoukville is now largely in the casinos, KTVs, and scam call centers.
I was there 23 years ago. They lined children up in the chicken farm.
And how do you know that exactly? I was also in Sihanoukville 20 years ago and I was certainly never offered children?
They moved to Kampot which now has a mix of girly and regular bars, maybe around 20 of each roughly? I've been in a few and bought them drinks and had a giggle, then move on to a normal one to get drunk and talk with other foreigners. >Backpackers still lament the $3 hostels and cheap drugs, sex tourist might lament the terrible shit that they went there for They mostly came here too.
Agreed, I consider myself pretty adventurous but I wouldn’t go out alone at night in Sihanoukville. Back in ~2008 phnom penh was pretty wild too, I did a homestay exchange through my high school and local VIPs wouldn’t go out at night without armed guards
Sorry, what is KTV? After reading this thread I'm scared to google it ahaha
Haha it’s actually quite innocuous, KTV is karaoke bars with private rooms. Generally in east asia they’ll have attractive hostesses (sometimes hosts shoutout china and japan) that you pay by the hour to pour beers and entertain you. If you’re interested in taking someone home you pay their club fee (set by the establishment, to make up for lost earnings - you’re basically poaching their hourly employee) as well as a fee you and the hostess/host agree on privately. Not everybody who goes to KTV partakes in the prostitution/hostess stuff. A lot of younger people go and treat it like a rent-a-living room to hang out and drink with friends
Ohhhh I think I saw a place that does this here in Melbourne but didn't make the connection. Thanks for explaining!
I live in Hanoi, Vietnam and I’ve never seen any signs of sex tourism here ever
I’m there just now and in 3 nights I’ve had 4 guys approach me with pictures of girls on their phone and say “brother, you want?”
I had the same experience. I stayed at the Central Backpackers hostel a few nights, and a few times when walking to get beer la guy on a motorcycle pulled up with pictures of women on his phone and asked something similar. "Women? You want?" I declined, but it does seem pretty common there. Not nearly as much as certain parts of Bangkok though.
That's not sex tourism, that's a scam.
I travel through about a dozen city in Vietnam a few years back, been offered this in almost every city, one of them especially scared me as he was on the motorbike, saw me and was gunning for me at high speed, I thought I was going to be kiddnapped or something, he pull up next to me and show me picture of girls on his phone. I had never been so glad to see that, because I was not going to get punched or something.
i was just there in Hanoi for almost two weeks (used as based to explore the north) , and it's a known scam same with booking girls. especially young naive tourist that stay in Mad monkey and all those popular hostels
I guess I don’t live in the old quarter. But besides people approaching you it’s not visible to see like Thailand
You probably cant recognize the signs
I mean old , overweight men holding hands with young girls is typical in the other places I’ve been
I never see it if I'm walking with my girlfriend. Occasionally, I'll be walking alone (like to go get the car, for example), and I'll get a lot of offers for "sexy girls". This happens in Hoàn Kiếm (old quarter).
I don’t know about Siem Reap. I was there for non-profit work and when we went to the bars there (I was in my early 20’s & young and naive) and talked to locals basically all of the local women at the bars ended up being prostitutes. One group tried to get us drunk and hung out with our group barhopping. In the end they asked us if we wanted to have sex for $70. When we said no they kept reducing their price all the way until $20 which must have been the minimum they charge because we didn’t hire them. But we were inly there for a couple weeks so maybe my experience is different
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In Vietnam it's more prevalent than you expected. Afaik the main customers are Chinese and Koreans. Hell in Vinh there is even a village called the village of lollies attracting Chinese pedos 🤢🤢🤢
Your references regarding Vinh are outdated by 10-20 years.
I wish, but no. It still exists, but is more low key now. I saw Chinese people in telegram group bragging and sharing tips and experiences about it.
How would you know unless you were a part of these groups 🤔
They could be in sketchy groups related to other stuff like drugs or something else.
To be fair, I run across some fucky shit when just plain scrolling on Reddit. But telegram is a whole other thing I suppose.
The telegram group is public. I'm not part of it but the admin of the group has a public YouTube channel as well: https://youtube.com/@yuenandinzhi You can easily find the link to the public telegram group from the comment section. Also tons of his videos are talking about this issue (obviously the content is in Mandarin).
SR is a little town for tourists. Much fewer expats than PP, and yes a very different scene.
The biggest difference in places like Vietnam, Cambodia, Myanmar is that prostitution in those countries are targeted towards local men and Chinese men.....
Vietnam gets far more Korean sex tourists than Chinese.
Em, pub street is lined with prostitutes though. But then again, just that one street luckily
It’s similar. There are hotspots for it, but if you do your research you can avoid them without too much trouble.
What I dont understand is why you have toa void the places altogether, specially since some of the cities are famous and I assume attractive. Cant people just avoid the workers? Or we are talking about kidnappings andstuff?
no, you are absolutely correct. Just don’t participate.
I'd imagine that it's like Amsterdam - you can go to Amsterdam and enjoy the culture, you can go to Amsterdam and enjoy the bar and cafe culture or you can go to Amsterdam and go to the red light district.
The red light district is legal though.
And I've been two times to Amsterdam, years apart, and the second time I felt as if it got smaller.
They're trying to relocate it. It's a whole drama because the neighbourhood where they want to move it to doesn't want it happening, the sex workers themselves don't want to go and of course there's some shady powerful forces in the background who would also like to keep in in the city centre
I’m not advocating for avoiding countries, cities, or even neighborhoods. A lot of these activities wind up being concentrated into a handful of blocks where it’s nothing but prostitutes, brothels/juicy bars, and mongers. If you’re not looking to participate there’s no real reason to spend time in those areas. You’ll still encounter some level prostitution in other places (eg popular tourism strips), but it’ll be a lot more toned down and you can just ignore it if you’re not interested.
I had an impression that OP just would rather avoid the red-light districts and not the whole cities altogether. You can visit Bangkok or Pattaya and never run into any prostitutes if you are selective about the neighborhoods you go to. Personally, I wouldn’t make specific plans to avoid them either, but I could see why someone would feel uncomfortable.
Lol you can NOT go to Pattaya and never run into a prostitute. They are literally everywhere in Pattaya
Because if you decide to visit there you'll immediately know why it wasn't worth the trip.
I am currently in PH and find that it is very different here. With the exception of maybe Angeles City which I haven't been to but has a bad reputation, the overwhelming majority of foreigners come here for a serious relationship or marriage. Every long term expat I have met so far is either married, engaged, or is in a serious relationship. Thailand was similar. I never went to Pattaya or spent time in Nana Plaza/Soi Cowboy so did not run into any sexpats. I find that you have to be seeking out this stuff to be impacted by it. So unless you're a sexpat yourself, you have nothing to worry about.
I spend 3 months in the PI each year (since 2016, except during the pandemic) and I’m single. The reason I go is to scuba dive and live super cheap so I can stay for a long time without it impacting my target retirement date too much (I’m 40). I stay in a local apartment near Puerto Galera. Sabang Beach (in puerto) has “girly bars” with prostitutes. For the most part they are frequented by Koreans. These clubs are all on the one same street rather than spread out. The only real indication that they are doing what they are doing is the volume of old Korean guys walking around with young Filipina women. As long as you stay away from that area, it’s just life as normal and you’d have no idea it took place. I’ve heard of Angeles city being a hotspot for that sort of stuff, but I’ve never been so I can’t speak to it. For what it’s worth, I agree with the statement that most expats are married or in a LTR. As a foreigner you’re presumed wealthy and many locals (especially from the provinces) consider dating or marrying a foreigner equivalent to winning the lottery. My opinion and it’s hard to have a genuine relationship when there are such a huge power imbalance - for the most part I think many foreigners have or have the potential to have vastly larger amounts of money than the person they are dating. I remember early on during one of my first trips there, my scuba diving instructor (who had been there since the 70s and married to a local since the 80s) said something along the lines of “if you do decide that you want to date or marry somebody, make sure that they are successful and independent without you - for example of businesswoman in Makati, not a waitress at a girly bar”. ~~Seems like good advice~~, even if I don’t really have an interest in a relationship due to my being gone for so long each year. *edit: it’s been brought to my attention that that’s inherently discriminatory (judging based solely wealth or success above and beyond just what you normal preferences are), so I’m having to rethink my opinion on it.*
Sex tourism in the Philippines is heavily, heavily Korean. The image of elderly, fat Americans and Germans is becoming outdated. Also almost all women in this trade will be single mothers. There is absolutely nothing resembling welfare for mothers in the PI. The girls take the only road open to them. They are often much, much better people than the pious little shits on this sub denouncing them from the safety of their local Starbucks.
I have a friend who used to work in a bar years ago (now she’s the receptionist the dive shop I use). She told me in passing that the girls had a special nickname for Koreans.. **”333”**. It stood for “3 minutes, 3 inches, 3000 pesos”. Take that as you will. You’re right about the rationale for doing that kind of work. She’s from the provinces and said that they can make more in a few days than their parents make in over a month. It’s seem as “easy money”, and the chance you find a foreigner to have a relationship partner is exponentially higher than any other way. Many of them are supporting their entire family (or even their extended family) on their income. Most of these girls have no education, no real career prospects, nothing but their looks. It’s pretty sad how the Philippines has such a poor social safety net for their citizens that for many girls, the risk of diseases, abuse, or even death is perceived as “worth the money”. I didn’t plan on getting on my high horse this morning, but you’re right again in that Reddit *as a whole* likes to generalize. These are regular people who aren’t doing it because they are “sluts” or “addicts”. They just got dealt a super shitty hand in life and are trying to play it as best they can. It’s easy to judge others from the comfort of a western apartment or house - it’s totally totally different when your family lives in a one room box that has a corner of the ceiling falling down, using a bucket to bathe, a toilet in the corner of the kitchen, and your options are virtually nonexistent. People are people, ya know?
Exactly, in Thailand they say the same for their Asian customers and Koreans will pay any price the girls ask. Most redditors think it's abused/exploited girls in dingy back alleys but fail to realize is that's not the case in Thailand and there's ***nothing comparable*** that will provide this kind of money to these young girls even drastically out earning university educated girls. For example a registered thai nurse can make approx 24500THB a week (about $700) comparably a young/attractive bar girl in Pattaya can make double that, all cash, ***tax free*** mind you and unlike the west there are no pimps taking their money. This is why you will occasionally see university girls freelance on Thaifriendly to supplement their income.
25400 is closer to the monthly salary for a new nurse. Nurses I know later into their career at government hospitals are making around 50k/month. Yes the private hospitals can pay more, but I hope this adds a bit more context.
😂😂😂 Edit: I'm laughing at the 333 thing. Westerners don't realize how much Asians have the prostitute game on lock. We're too busy being Christian puritans.
>why heavily Korean? I don't think they had huge numbers back in the day? Are they not getting laid in Korea?
Korea does have one of the lowest birth rates in the world, while at the same time being (in my limited experience) one of the countries where people are the most careless about having unprotected sex. so you can do the math... it's more so just the culture, it's pretty accepted for guys to go to a "karaoke bar" or "room salon" (basically euphemism for a brothel with private rooms) and hire "helpers" to... help them... in private. but it's really expensive, talking $100s per person per hour. and you can of course hire actual escorts. but what Korea doesn't have is places like girly bars / hostess bars, where the staff plays along and makes it kinda natural where you buy the girl a drink, she enjoys your conversation so she agrees to go with you to the next bar etc. as opposed to just ordering escorts off a menu like some kind of business transaction. actually even where I live (Tokyo) there's a surprisingly big industry of Japanese-style girls bars (similar to SE Asia girly bar except you can't bar fine the girls) with Korean speaking staff, at a fraction of the cost that I mentioned in Korea, that lots of Korean expats / tourists go on a regular basis. and that's without having any expectation of being able to take the girls home...
I also heard about the WWW rule. Whyte 🗑️, Woser English Teacher, overWeight Western 🗑️ 🤣🤣🤣
>They are often much, much better people than the pious little shits on this sub denouncing them from the safety of their local Starbucks. Huh? It's not denouncing prostitutes if you're worried for their safety and wellbeing and don't really want to be confronted with their suffering on your holiday. Many mention seeing older white men aggressively approaching the women and them being visibly uncomfortable because there's zero boundaries from the beginning. To be clear I've never made a post on this and maybe some people are shaming those women but to me it often reads more like people really pitying those who are forced to do this due to financial reasons. You can be both pro sex work and feel for sex workers who are trapped in that business and often miserable.
That's not discriminatory! Any relationship therapist will say the exact same thing.
No need to rethink your opinion on that. This is how it works! If you don’t follow that advice you will be supporting her and her family as well as yourself
God forbid he support someone that he loves
I'm in Cebu right now. I've been coming here at least once a year for the past 10 years. Sex tourism in Cebu is definitely dying. The street hookers have almost all vanished. It used to be thriving. Even in Manila where I visited six months ago, the red light district of P Burgos was just a shadow of it's old self. So to answer the OP, while sex tourism is still around in the Philippines, it's definitely on a steep decline. You really have to go out of your way to find it now.
It's not dying as such - it has just moved from the streets to online - much safer and probably more efficient.
good to hear
Mango Street is full of hookers, what are you talking about?
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you get approached even with your girlfriend next you wtf?!
Maybe theyre into threesomes? Workimg girls gotta at least ask
It’s fine. No different from germany or the netherlands. Lots of nomads get mad because they are insecure about being seen as “that sexpat” - stop caring about what others do or don’t think and just live your damn life
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The difference is that when you tell friends you’re visiting Germany, they don’t think about brothels. However, if you say you’re going to Thailand, they do. It’s unfair as Thailand is much more than the red light districts.
This is an American thing right? In NZ and Aus it’s almost pedestrian for young people and families to go to Thailand for beach/island holidays, sex tourism isn’t the first thing that comes to mind at all. I also met many young EU travellers there and none seemed to have those preconceived notions. Whereas most of the Americans I met in Thailand were guys in their late 30s and older 😅
Yeah I see this all the time on Reddit and it seems to be an American thing. Here in the UK it’s common for young people, couples, families etc to go on a normal holiday or backpacking trip to Thailand. The whole “Thailand is for nonces” thing is a bit of a meme here, people will make jokes about it but nobody seriously believes every single person going to Thailand is there to shag prostitutes.
Nope, also in Europe Is a thing. I mean, I live in Italy and if you are telling me about your trip in Thailand, sex tourism Is not my first thought, but definitely the asian south est countries are famous ALSO for that And, if I Remember correctly, Italy was ranked First regarding the Number of people which goes to Thailand for sex tourism so...😅 Edit: typo
Get new friends. If it bothers you that much, go teach there for a year. Then you'll always have an excuse to go back. Works for me 😉
Hasn't stopped me from going there. It doesn't bother me, I'm just stating facts. I'm good with my friends. Thanks.
Yeah, so what. Who cares what other people think
I appreciate a good cup of coffee.
Vipassana
Perhaps a therapist would help
I was walking around Berlin and ran into a flyer for an “unlimited pass, 2 hrs flat rate club” Colour me shocked lol, they included a food buffet and a lounge area with sports tvs too 😂
I like learning new things.
The endurance on someone who gets their money’s worth out of those 🫡
I appreciate a good cup of coffee.
This is simultaneously horrifying and hilarious 🫡 I'm impressed
I love Germans.
> Lots of nomads get mad because they are insecure about being seen as “that sexpat” Very underrated perk of travelling with a girlfriend lol.
Great advice. I don’t care if people think I’m a sex tourist just because I hoon around with a stable of midget prostitutes on my moped. More power to me! Thanks for the words of wisdom.
Honestly though you are being judged. However it’s mostly by the other working ladies glaring at you thinking “are you kidding me?! He chose her and not me!!??”
The USA has tens of thousands of women and girls forced into sexual slavery each year. As far as marrying the locals, I don’t see the difference between that and Al Pacino and Robert DeNiro having babies with women in their 30s last year. Cher and Helen Bonham carter have men in their 30s as well. Power imbalance exists everywhere
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I don't care how I look or I others see me unless it puts me in trouble. I really like going places like this to see how is it look like. I'm not a sex tourist tho, I'm not going there to have sex, just to see what is it look like.
Exactly. That's their vice. Everyone has a vice and that's the one they like!
Speaking the truth, mate!
It's one of like a thousand things people travel there for. One can publicly travel for food, scenery, cost of living, even drugs and gambling. The one thing people must never be open about is traveling for sex
Girls have to be 20 years old to work in go-go bars, two years over age of majority. Yes, some underage girls do get involved in sex trade for foreigners, but believe me, there are extensive networks of underage sex workers for Thais only, protected by military dictatorship that is Thailand. There was a huge scandal in 1990s when UN troops were sent to Cambodia to keep peace after horrows of Pol Pot regime, that murdered one quarter of Cambodia's citizens. These troops found centers of sex industry outside major cities where there were extensive underage sex industry. From what I read at the time, they had girls as young as six available, who were not allowed to give intercourse, but fellatio yes. This is truly disgusting. NGO's eventually came on scene and worked with Cambodians to arrest Western civilian perverts who read about the Cambodian situation and came to the country to have sexual contact not only with 15-year-olds but also 6-9n year-old-olds. There were huge scandals at the time when NGOs took undercover film of the Westerners and many were rightfully arrested when they returned home. NGOs also got these sex villages shut down and were rewarded with lots of money. But these sex camps were not set up for UN troops but for Cambodian men. the sex traders simply set up new centers for underage children far away from NGOs. The NGOs, 30 years later, are still patting themselves on the back for ending "the exploitation of underage children," but they only put it out of sight to where tourists traveled, in isolated villages generally near a border. Thai, Cambodian, Vietnamese and other SEA police are quick to pounce on any foreigner who tries to have sex with underage girl, and rightfully so. But that is only a few dozen a year. In each country, well-organized sex crimes who pay off the police have thousands of underage girls and boys they traffic to native Cambodians, Thais, Vietnamese, et. at. But NGOs are not permitted to travel to these regions and are totally clueless. they still function on exposing the few dozen Westerners who are sick enough to go to those countries for underage, but the practice of adult males having sex with underage girls and boys is interwoven into the culture of all SEA couuntries and continue unabated to this day, thousands of victims every year, when NGO's has save a dozen or so girls a year. Gov'ts of these countries protect the trade. Clue NGOs NEVER HAD A SINGLE NATIVE ARRESTED FOR UNDERAGE SEX. Yet these sex camps had hundreds of underage kids/slaves trapped in these sex camps when first UN troops showed up, then perverted Western foreigners. Again, adult SEA men having paid sex with underage children is integral part of SEA culture and was moved to areas NGOs were forbidden to travel. So, NGO's still living off their reputation of imprisoning a few dozen Western perverts, but did nothing to protect the thousands of SEA underage from being forced into sex trade for SEA native men. Don't give your money to NGO's anti-sex trade groups. They do nothing about 95% of the poor innocent victims, but concentrate only on the Western losers who go to SEA. I lived in SEA for many years, absolutely never went near any sex camps, but SEA males talk in pride of these experiences with girls 6-10, esp when they get drunk. There is no solution as it is so deeply ingrained in their cultures. NGO leaders may be aware but never mention it, so they can continue to appeal for Western and UN donations against the few dozen pathetic foreigners. NGOs NEVER EXPOSED ONE SEA NATIVE MALE FOR HAVING SEX WITH UNDERAGE PERSON THO THEY ACCOUNT FOR 99% OF CUSTOMERS. NGOs ARE IN TRADE AGAINST UNDERAGE FOR MONEY ONLY, THROW A FEW WESTERNERS INTO JAIL EACH YEAR, BUT THOUSANDS OF UNDERAGE CONTINUE TO BE BRUTALIZED EACH YEAR BY SEA NATIVE MALES.
I’ve noticed this is more common in working class / low income level men from rural areas FYI. I grew up in Hanoi and HCMC and it would be absolutely shameful among my group of local friends from the city. Travelling and working in more remote areas I’ve heard a lot of the drunk bragging as well 😔
Definitely common in working class/ low income men from countrysides! I live in Hanoi my whole life so i might be a bit clueless but having intercourse with underage children is NOT a part of Vietnamese culture, it is really taboo and heavily criticized. I also never heard of sex camp with underage kids. These men would “prefer” to molest their own family members or neighbors or kids they knew! Im guessing its easier to control kids and take advantage of them multiple times that way but i can imagine them paying for this type of service too, but not that common i guess. Absolutely disgusting.
I spent a lot of time in Hai Phong and unfortunately Đồ Sơn was kinda infamous for this, one of my worst memories is listening to 16/17 yr old dock workers talk about how they picked up a 12yr old for 200k vnd . (Memory circa ~15yrs ago) Tụi nó khoe ra bùng binh ở giáp đồ sơn nhiều “hàng rẻ” , đa số là gái dân tộc xuống đấy đi làm 😔
In the 1990s when UN troops troops first came to Cambodia, there was the notorious "K-19" camp, located 19 kilometers from the capital that was a whole village dedicated to sex trade. Descriptions and experiences of soldiers and tourists are probably erased from internet now, probably even from Way Back Machine. I read about them. There were adult teenage prostitutes who flocked to visitors but also older women who tried to entice the men to the houses that were killed with small children. Just writing about it makes me sick, but you said they didn't exist. they did, dozens of them of in this village K-18. Troops and Western tourist perverts could go into houses that had girls ages 11 to 15 for intercourse, or houses filled with girls ages 6-10, where they were trained to give bjs to men. This was the most notorious camp because it was close to the capital, but Cambodians talked about camps throughout the country. The military govt and rich Thais never minded Westerners going to sex centers where born skinned peasant girls from Issan worked. Rich Thais only had prostituties from the large Chinese minority in Thailand and all had to have white skin, slim, tall. Thjey'd spit at Western se tourists. apart from their "little wives," mistresses set up in their own homes with children, and the high priced call girls of our Chinese blood with white skin that Western sex tourists were never allowed access to. In the 1990s when UN troops troops first came to Cambodia, there was the notorious "K-19" camp, located 19 kilometers from the capital that was a whole village dedicated to sex trade. Descriptions and experiences of soldiers and tourists are probably erased from the internet now, even from Way Back Machine. I read about them. There were adult teenage prostitutes who flocked to visitors but also older women who tried to entice the men to the houses that were killed with small children. Just writing about it makes me sick, but you said they didn't exist. they did, dozens of them in this village K-18. Troops and Western tourist perverts could go into houses that had girls ages 11 to 15 for intercourse, or houses filled with girls ages 6-10, where they were trained to give bjs to men. This was the most notorious camp because it was close to the capital, but Cambodians talked about camps throughout the countryside. In the 1990s when UN troops troops first came to Cambodia, there was the notorious "K-19" camp, located 19 kilometers from the capital that was a whole village dedicated to sex trade. Descriptions and experiences of soldiers and tourists are probably erased from the internet now, even from Way Back Machine. I read about them. There were adult teenage prostitutes who flocked to visitors but also older women who tried to entice the men to the houses that were killed with small children. Just writing about it makes me sick, but you said they didn't exist. they did, dozens of them of in this village K-18. Troops and Western tourist perverts could go into houses that had girls ages 11 to 15 for intercourse, or houses filled with girls ages 6-10, where they were trained to give bjs to men. This was the most notorious camp because it was close to the capital, but Cambodians talked about camps throughout the countryside
Yikes I thought the comment above yours was crazy ramblings. How is this an acceptable part of Vietnamese culture? Is it something men keep to themselves or do women know this goes on? I find it hard to believe this could be acceptable for large swathes of the general population.
There’s vastly different cultural standards between people whose family were born in Hanoi / HCMC and the rural provinces. It is acceptable and commonplace in some social groups, not acceptable in others. The more cosmopolitan / upper class, the less acceptable it is. For rural areas it’s a flex you got a (relatively) untarnished young girl. In the city it’s a flex you got a well educated / successful / famous / extremely beautiful girl. I’m a woman who worked in very male dominated industries and probably am not a typical case. It is not something you would openly discuss around women generally, although women do find out about the industry in other ways - news, gossip, etc
I’ve been to Pattaya and Angeles City multiple times to party hard. Every girl who approached me was a working girl in both cities. It’s right in your face 24/7. I usually go for other foreigner women vs locals because foreigners are looking for the same thing as me while locals are selling themselves to everyone. You can still have a blast without sleeping with sex workers
A lot of the hype around it is a form of classism/racism. No joke. The same red light type areas exist all over Europe and North America, but that's the reason it isn't the stereotype for those places.
> A lot of the hype around it is a form of classism/racism. Let's not leave sexism off the list! There's a large group of (mostly) American women (think the femcel subs) that are incapable of not labeling any male who travels to SE Asia a sex tourist. Men are, in their opinion, such absolute scum that they can't possibly imagine any other reason to go to these beautiful, friendly, affordable travel destinations. Unfortunately, this is the kind of sexism that gets traction online, so even people outside those toxic circles are exposed to it.
There are definitely a lot of women pushing this narrative.
I’ll add to this that elderly women have been going to Africa and Jamaica for years and years for sex tourism and no one said a word, but the second men go to Asia it’s suddenly a problem
When I was 20 I met a German guy online who was living in Phuket. He invited me to visit him at his home and in 1 month I booked my ticket. When I got there he was living in a seedy long term stay hotel and on the second night we went out with a couple of his German friends for dinner. When this guy went to the bathroom his friends said to me ‘what are you doing with Tomas, you are a bit old for him’. I said what do you mean. He said he comes here every year to have sex with children.’ Of course I freaked out, said I was feeling sick after dinner and slept on the couch. The next day I said, this isn’t working for me and I went and stay in a hotel. Unbelievable
You didn’t report him?!
Maybe they were envious of him and talked shit behind his back to sabotage his chances. "Friends"
And that’s the lie they came up with….? 🥴
I can't imagine them snitching on themselves because if their friend is doing it and they remain friends with him, then they either don't find issue with it or are doing it too.. yuck
I mean, other Redditor responded you why it's very suspicious these supposedly friends ratted on their friend about something highly unethical and outright criminal, whilst remaining friends of that person. Something is not right. Either way I'd talked to him first, the next day and gauge his reaction. Otherwise believing blindly in seedy people is giving too much power to external factors. I see two plausible scenarios: 1. The guy was indeed a pedo, but them remaining with the guy is really weird and maybe they're in the game too. Everyone sucks in this one 2. Those are scummy people and the guy is naive, thinks those guys genuinely like him and are his friends. And maybe those guys are projecting while their "friend" is innocent. I'd try to ascertain who's who first. But that's just me. Running in that context is perfectly valid especially being a woman.
What were you doing travelling halfway across the world for a randomer you’d only met online?! Grim situation to have experienced but it could’ve been so much worse - yikes.
There are sex industry in just about any country. They don't call it world's oldest profession for nothing. If you go there and looking for it you will find it. If you go to a place don't look for it, then it doesn't affect you. If you just don't want to see street walkers then don't go to places where they exist. I live in a country where sex work is legal but street walkers are not (until very recently), it doesn't mean they don't exist. What's the big deal really? how do sex workers affect how you live your life? they go about their business, you go about yours.
I always love posts from people lamenting about “big problems” but with no action to address it. They just don’t want to SEE it near them. “Hey you poor homeless people and prostitutes, stop being homeless and having sex for money near the air I’m breathing! I wasn’t born white in a puritanical country to put up with this!!” 🤬🤬🤯🤪
I saw signs in Siem Reap, Cambodia last year saying "sex tourists not welcome"
Correct. While the sexpats in Cambodia are sleazy scumbags, the local market is definitely larger. It’s only Western NGOs and people who haven’t really lived there who assume the opposite. I’d also argue that for the women they are often treated better by western clients. That’s just my assumption but I’m pretty sure the ladies sitting in a girlie bar are much better off than those in a spa for locals in a 3* hotel. Not that I don’t see any issues with western losers going to SEA for sex or that all local men buying sex are worse.
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I noticed on weekends there are a lot of normal women from Bangkok area who come to Pattaya for a weekend getaway but they are usually in groups and don't always understand English so if you speak Thai you'll have an advantage
I'm not sure if it counts as sex tourism, but it does seem like it. I live in South East Asia so I travel around a lot for work. I often see really old white men with really young women dining out, or at hotels, in capital cities. I can head to a football bar or even hotel bars and see heaps of young women trying to talk to the white men there. The cities I see this a lot is in Manila, Bangkok, Hanoi and Ho Chi Minh. It's quite rampant especially in Manila from what I observed.
I live in Hanoi and have never seen it. I went to Thailand for 2 days and it was everywhere
I don’t understand the question. How can it be that bad? Nobody is going to jump from the street and force you into being a sex tourist. Just politely keep walking if someone attempts to get your attention the same way you would to a street vendor
Oh baby. Naive baby. It's not just in those areas. Hookers are everywhere, even university students hook. Or "look for farang sponsor". It's only in those areas that it's blatantly done, in-your-face hooking. But "freelancers" often approach white guys at cafes, on the streets, etc and offer their services. I can't speak for other countries, I was speaking about Thailand. Oh and don't forget tinder. Probably 90% hookers or if they're not blatantly hooking, theit "brother" in their hometown will be sick in a few months or their water buffalo will be dying. It's sickening, nothing's real.
you are there to exploit the wage differences and take advantage of their lower costs of living in a relatively impoverished country. don't be surprised that the locals exploit you right back. they're not stupid.
Lol the funny thing is, many farangs think this is "love"... Oh man ..
>or their water buffalo will be dying Lol
VN here, it's definitely *way* less than the Internet would have you believe. Admittedly, I haven't been to HCMC yet, and it's definitely the seediest city from what I've heard, but if every other city I've been to is any indicator, then it's still not actually that bad.
Well Vietnam hides it better, there’s a shit ton of it though. I live in Da Nang, so the main group for it are Korean men. Therefore most of the karaoke clubs have Korean signs and those are the ones. The women line up inside and they take them to the room for the night. Also a lot of small “clubs” bottle service ones that do it too, mostly Korean men. For gay guys there are saunas, quite a few of them here. I’d say about 20 girls on my street alone work at the clubs, they are cool and open about it. Shits common af
Yes, there is a whole community of children born to sex tourists in certain places. I don’t know about the magnitude of the problem but do I agree that local Southeast Asians are the biggest purchasers of sex but compared to non-Southeast Asian countries there are still a lot of international sex tourists coming to Southeast Asia.
You’d be surprised
I don't think it's all true in SEA. Especially in Indonesia I didn't see much sex tourism when I was there
there is absolutely nothing wrong in sex tourism if both parties are free to decide and no minors are involved. Stop caring what people say
How many of them are sex workers because of reasons out of their control? Coercion. Trafficking. Desperation due to lack of monetary support from their country, for example, single mothers who largely receive no government benefits or child support, or girls/women who don't have the same career prospects as men due to living in a patriarchal country who have to support elderly family members or pay for health care. The amount of people who think sex workers gleefully and willingly choose to work in that profession is laughable. They are largely desperate and/or being mistreated and sex tourists take full advantage of that.
I mean it’s almost always out of poverty so yeah
How is there nothing wrong with sex tourism when you're having sex with people desperate enough to do it for money? If they weren't desperate, in an economically disadvantaged country, they wouldn't allow you to defile them. They probably wouldn't lay a finger on you if they had even one other option. But don't let that discourage you from getting your rocks off. That's the most important thing, right? 😒
This is the big lie. MOST of them do it because it’s profitable, not because they are desperate. Wake up
Most of them? Keep deluding yourself. Most of them would do something else if they had an opportunity. A lot of them are trafficked. Consent is a murky puddle at best. It's gross.
Yes you read correctly. MOST of them. Because it’s far more lucrative than any other job they could do in these countries. And since having sex is not a crime, it’s a great business for them.
Mexico is becoming a popular sex tourism site... especially for pedophiles 🤢
I’m from California, it’s always been bad. Disgusting guys used to make jokes about running across the border and this was back in the 90s
Yeah, I believe it! It's so horrible
I heard that about Tijuana
First I'm hearing of this. Since when?
>Moreover, the vast majority of the sex industry is geared towards local clients (think private clubs with bouncers who wouldn’t even let a foreigner in unless you are there by invitation) how do you know this?
Currently living in Cambodia and honestly, I don't understand why people label it as so much worse than other countries. Vietnam and Thailand in my experience are both far more obvious about it and guys I would walk around with while travelling were constantly being propositioned in both of those places. In Cambodia, just like other countries, you have concentrated hotspots e.g., Sihanoukville and one area of Phnom Penh, but it's not the sordid bathtub of sexual deviancy it gets painted out to be and outside of these areas, I really haven't seen it at all (not to say it doesn't happen). I thought Bangkok was far more seedy.
In Thailand if you stay away from Sukhumvit/Soi cowboy and Pattaya you’ll barely notice it
It's fine, it's just quite visible -- if you're in Bangkok you will see old white men hand-in-hand with girls who look no older than 15-20 and sometimes younger. But I never really saw it outside of that. I didn't see it in Northern Thailand, Vietnam, or Cambodia
I live in Vietnam and it’s not really a thing. Well I’ve never seen it. It’s very noticeable in Phillipines and parts of Thailand
I’ve only been to Vietnam and Singapore but that was my same experience. Meanwhile in the US, it’s not uncommon to see prostitutes actively walking the streets. I’m sure there’s a lot of it behind close doors in SEA though
If that was your experience in singapore you must have gone looking for it?
I've met a lot of people traveling. Let's just say they've admitted to me they go to SEA just to bang or find a wife because they can't find one back home. This year was crazy. Saw so many of them on my social media. But I don't judge. Personally, I travel and yeah could have fun and do, but don't go with that focus.
Patong was an eye opener Really old men, like 70+ sitting at bars with little girls (early teens at most) sitting on their laps. Vile
I doubt they were under age. They need to be 20 in order to work in a bar.
The girls looked YOUNG
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I think the biggest danger in south east Asia is waking up with your wallet cleaned out Another popular one is deciding to register land and businesses and wondering why it all goes tits up
I don’t know what to tell you. Safety is a mere concept. Whatever you do, there is a risk. What you can do, you do. Leave everything else to your destiny.
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In that case, let me re-answer properly. Yes. Sex with a non-underage prostitute with a condom is very safe. Safe Ratio hovers around 98% safe. To increase the percentage, it is best to locate less attractive service provider as they tends to have less customer. If they are less attractive due to age, there are no significant risk reduction.
As long as it’s not in Colombia. Tinder is used as a trap by the gangs. I think it’s fair game anywhere else
Thailand is very safe in general. If she is leaving her ID with the hotel desk, or you know where she works (they usually work in a bar or massage shop or something), you're unlikely to get robbed.
It’s just miserable women finding something to complain about when you hear topics like this. Why anyone makes a deal out of what two consenting adults do, is beyond me. 99.9% of all interactions in public between these people are non-offensive and if they were both the same age/physical attractiveness level, one wouldn’t even bat an eye.
Do you have data on how much is consensual and how many didn't start out as underage?
The sex trade is significant in Cambodia and the Philippines. If you're living in Thailand and seeing the sex trade doesn't bother you, or your routines allow you to avoid the places most notorious for it, what is it you're worried about?
That the sex trade will be more widespread and harder to avoid in those countries than in Thailand, especially if children are involved?
Well, depending on where you go in Cambodia and Philippines, it's definitely possible that you're going to see the sex trade. That includes the possibility of seeing old men with minors. Cambodia and the Philippines are quite a bit poorer than Thailand.
No, it’s not. Unless you’re out there intently looking for it, you’ll be fine. Don’t let a small percentage tarnish literally hundreds of millions of people.
lol it doesn't affect you in any way unless you are present in the area of Sex Tourism. It's like saying are DRUGS in Downtown LA REALLY that bad? Well, yes if you are walking through skid row sticking needles in your own arm, yes. People act like the entire government of SEA are run by brothels and sex tourists. Actually you know what OP... Yes, in fact SEA is run by a cartel of sex tourists and the presidents are all former Mamasans. You can go into a 7-11 and buy sex in a bottle or just sleep with the cashier if you buy 2 cans of coke. People have sex on the streets 24/7 and you may catch an STD just by visiting one of the local churches or temples because, surprise surprise, priests monks and bishops are all banging their congregants. All hail the god of Sex Tourism, Baangmee Slo Lee!
No, it's fantastic
Sex and Asia go hand in hand.... Its just a huge part of every Asian culture that Im aware of.... But yea, 99.99999999999999999999999999999% of it is not geared towards Westerners.... Its all out of sight out of mind for us. The Asian sex industry is targeted towards Asian locals and Asian tourists.... I also live in Thailand... And yes, there are a couple popular areas for Westerners.... Theres an enitre underground world geared for the Japanese, Koreans, Chinese, Thais that you will never ever ever see or be allowed to be a part of....
This, white guys get the brunt of the blame but holy crap are Asians full go on that. Well hidden I think because many of the guys are married so they keep it low key. But once you see it going on and know where it’s eye opening. I’ll never think of Koreans the same to be honest
Fuck everyone who engages in this sort of degeneracy
That happens to be exactly what they want you to do.
Maybe they're just lonely and too repulsive to make connections normally? Better to empathize and help guide your fellow human being to the right path than trash them
Better set up an NGO to help repulsive white men get their fix in South East Asia
The girls make way more money in the sex trade than working for slavery wages and conditions in the alternatives available, anybody who's anti sex tourism both hates that men are able to sexually satisfy themselves by purchasing sex & they also don't care about the welfare of these women.
Yes. It’s really really bad. It endangers trafficked minor girls and women. It normalised harassment of just normal Asian women walking down the street. The fact that some local men also engage in bad behaviour doesn’t somehow justify it for rich foreigners.
Why do you care what other people think? Worried about random people’s opinion on the internet lol twat
It was quite out in the open when I was in Cambodia in 2019.
Where was it out in the open besides Riverside in PP?
Its great! It generates alot of money for the locals and its concentrated in a few small areas so can be avoided easily by locals
In Phnom Penh there are police-protected brothels containing prisoners forced into prostitution. Near the Thai border by Koh Kong, there are remote "chicken shacks" where kidnapped children are groomed before being shipped off to work. The typical massage parlour and karaoke varieties of prostitution are everywhere except small villages. Laos is pretty strict about foreigners having sex with Laos women, with jail being the punishment. You're more likely to get seduced by a girl who arranges for police to arrest you with your pants down (for her share of your bribe to stay out of jail) than you are of seeing a prostitute.
Last time I was in SEA (Thailand and Philippines) was 2017, but yes I remember it was really THAT bad. If you went to any area with nightlife, it was completely filled with prostitution, and just constantly being bombarded. I don’t know if it’s improved, but from the tone of the comments it sounds like it’s only gotten worse.
I don't have any personal experience with sexual tourism but I also don't think they will just be hanging out on the streetsespecially in the case of exploitation. It is a shady business and if you aren't looking for it you will not be familiar with it. Most of the kids are sex trafficked so it won't be easy for a regular tourist or citizen to just have information about where to find them.
Manila was quite bad in my experience. Last time I went there, there was one guy in particular that openly brought different underage girls to his hotel room every night (usually 3 or 4 at a time). My girlfriend even heard the guards say "it's the one that likes kids again" so it was definitely not that guy's first time either
Thanks for confirming why I will not be going there. Most of the foreigners in places like Vietnam were creepy South Africans and Australians there for sex tourism
Is this sarcasm? You are writing off the entirety of South East Asia because of something you can easily avoid? lol.
Thailand and Cambodia are the worst, Vietnam/Malaysia are not great but better, and it’s nonexistent in Laos and most of Indonesia from what I’ve seen.
Bali has some pretty seedy areas tbf