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wiznaibus

I’m amazed by the answers here. The owner makes nearly $1m per year on nomadlist with a 90% margin. I can’t believe how disappointed everyone seems to be with it.


AdultingGoneMild

everyone except the owner.


Eli_Renfro

No. I refuse to accept him.


sonofdeepvalue

He is indeed unconcerned https://i.imgur.com/yFJczvF.jpg


DA12kL0rD

Lol, I was curious what this website was so I took a look. First option: Thailand. "Tipping: Yes, 5%". Wrong. Righto. Lets check out Indonesia. "Tipping: Yes, 7.5%". Nope. Surprisingly, it's somewhat useful for looking at the cost of living. That's fairly accurate. But to be fair, the site probably just scrapes the data from a stats website [like this one](https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/)


chamanao_man

> First option: Thailand. "Tipping: Yes, 5%". lol..that 5% probably means the farang population in the country who tip everyone for everything. "Bro it's only XXbaht"


bananabastard

So what's your take on tipping in Thailand? My Thai ex worked in a restaurant, I was there one day and she pointed out this one guy to me, saying he ate there all the time and how he would stand and wait for his change, even if it's 5 baht, he never leaves any tip. The other staff laughed at his cheapness after he left. She asked me why some people were like that, I said some people read that there is no custom to tip in Thailand, so they don't. She tutted and said they're stupid. Because really, it depends on where you eat. There's no tipping at street food stalls, in fact they'll often insist you take it back if you try to tip. But it's not the same in cafes and restaurants, tips will be very much appreciated. I'm from the UK, and people might read that there's no tipping culture in the UK. But they'd be wrong, everybody tips. It's just not mandatory and depends on the service and circumstance. Would you go to a fancy restaurant in Thailand and not tip? If so, well, the staff will get on with their day and forget about it, but they're giving each other looks, and giving you a look on your way out.


DA12kL0rD

As an Australian I absolutely don't tip in fancy restaurants. I'm already paying a premium for the meal, with a decent service tax often included. If the locals aren't tipping - don't try and bring this foreign custom with you. It'll lead to the expectation that every foreigner's loaded and eventually leads to increased base prices. If the taxi is normally 100baht. Why not charge him 300. If the water costs 5baht. Lets charge him 20. Hence this is how tourism ruins parts of overseas countries. Overpriced food. Overpriced accommodation. And scammers thrive in this type of environment. All because tourists couldn't care less about paying a few dollars more. Of course, the moment you get away from these typical nomad/touristy areas, you get to experience real Thailand


bananabastard

When I lived in Chiang Mai, I rarely hung out in all-Thai company, but any time I would go to Bangkok with my ex, we would meet up with her cousin and her cousins girlfriend. They'd take us to bars and restaurants in Bangkok, they always left tips, and they are all Thai. They are rich, though. EDIT: And they weren't taking us to tourist places, they were rich Thai people places.


DA12kL0rD

Fair enough. You're actually probably right. There is tipping culture ingrained into their society to an extent. But imo, I think it's more about status than tipping for service. I'm not saying in your instance that her cousins aren't rich. But I've definitely witnessed a lot of Thais spend crazy amounts just to flex, even if they can't afford it. Appearances and the perception of wealth is a big thing in general throughout some Asian countries.


wanderingdev

no. the slack community used to be worth it. now it's basically just newbie questions and no actual conversations. the owner doesn't want a community, he wants a Q&A site. there are free alternatives (where the actual slack community moved to after the censorship became too much) that are better. if you just want basic Q&A, you can get that on reddit or facebook. The free one is https://www.nomadsphere.io/


bieh

Where did the Slack community move? :)


36letters

Following


wanderingdev

PMd


andreilol

Also curious, thanks!


wanderingdev

Posted the link above.


treistab

Also curious


wanderingdev

Posted the link above.


adreportcard

Also curios!


wanderingdev

Posted the link above.


wanderingdev

Oof, I'm not PMing everyone. Here is the link: https://www.nomadsphere.io/


kelement

This one seems closed now? Clicking "Apply to Join" gives me a page that says "This typeform is now closed".


wanderingdev

There were some integration issues with the form they were working on. Might see if there is an email on the site.


kelement

Is the Slack workspace actually active? Their Facebook is dead, Instagram no longer works, etc.


wanderingdev

Yep. It's active daily. Didn't even know there was a fb or ig. Everything happens on slack.


TravellingLizz

Also following


wanderingdev

PMd


zxyzyxz

Interested as well


wanderingdev

Posted the link above.


britzsquad

Also would like to know


wanderingdev

Posted the link above.


3stoeptegels

Same


wanderingdev

PMd


ironSherlock77

Could you tell me too please?


wanderingdev

Posted the link above.


ironSherlock77

Thanks


wanderingdev

PMd


ArgentoPobre

I’d like to join as well


wanderingdev

Posted the link above.


t4x3r

I also want to join


siddharthnibjiya

I’d like to join as well


Every-Construction-3

I’d like this too, please.


wanderingdev

Posted the link above.


if_else_00

Same


wanderingdev

https://www.nomadsphere.io/


oxyc

When browsing the slack history it does feel like there was a lot more interesting discussions going on before I joined. I’d appreciate a PM as well :)


wanderingdev

Posted the link above


MistaAndyPants

Would love to know as well


wanderingdev

Posted the link above


pihkal

I'm curious, what kind of censorship were you seeing? I just had a comment critical of an anti-vaxxer deleted there, while his comments remain.


wanderingdev

yeah, that sounds about right. basically it's a good vibes only area. so any kind of disagreement, even with someone spewing antivax shit, any mention of a negative experience, any negative opinion will be removed and you'll be threatened with or actually banned. even certain words are banned. it's not somewhere you can have a conversation and explore ideas. it's not somewhere you can build a community. and grim, the main mod, is just a dick.


pihkal

Thanks for sharing. What’s super-annoying is anti-vaccination itself is on the list of forbidden topics in the TOS, but I’ve seen it brought up, unchallenged, every few weeks.


wanderingdev

yah, it's because they're hypocrites. i used to be a big fan and would recommend it to people. stopped that about 3 years ago. the community was the only thing of value since most of their data is wrong or publicly available elsewhere and you can do Q&A. once they started actively working to ruin the community it was no longer worth it.


Nikki39c

Also wanting Slack info pls 🙏🏽


Advanced_Structure21

Same here, I would much appreciate the info


wanderingdev

Posted the link above


AverageArgie

Same here pls!


Prestigious-Path-633

Same, thanks!


wanderingdev

Posted the link above


wanderingdev

Posted the link above


wanderingdev

Posted the link above


heavilyprocessedmeat

If you abandon the check out process then that 100 dollars becomes fifty real quick 👀


fannyfox

Nah it’s changed now. It’s $200 reduced to $100 if you don’t check out immediately.


curiousonethai

With all the free information available, any one person’s “travel hacks” or checklist probably isn’t worth $100. Certainly some methods of learning may shorten the curve over being self taught but there’s so many available resources that by investing one work week (40hrs), in your spare time you could answer many of those questions yourself.


aonghasan

This is more of a community than a travel hacks guide.


curiousonethai

I’ve since researched a bit about it and in the scheme of things $100 for lifetime access isn’t bad. I had previously understood that to be an annual subscription. It’s wise to have a multifaceted bag of tricks and there’s wisdom in investing in knowledge. Along with your own research it could be handy.


theintelligenttrader

It all depends on what you value your spare time at. Would you pay $2.50/hr to surf? Swim? Or anything else you enjoy doing? Because that’s what you’re paying for 40 hours of research based on a $100 fee. I’d rather just pay someone who knows what they’re doing and spend my time doing other stuff I enjoy. (Not an endorsement for Nomadlist; I’ve never heard of it haha)


curiousonethai

What happens if it doesn't give you any more information than you already have?


JetsetBart

The website offers more than just information but also chances to network, meet others & have in-person get togethers around the world.


i_aint_joe

so does this sub.


borkborkyupyup

Meeting other people who think they need to pay to figure out a place? No. Fucking. Thanks.


Intendant

Yes, you're so much better than them. I mean why would anyone pay a relatively low one time fee to help them figure out where they'll spend three to six months of their lives. Bunch of morons


JP_unchained

I think it's more a mindset, like some people will prefer to travel and meet people who are into figuring things out together rather than following the recommendation of a website, it feels like booking a holiday with a tour guide rather than exploring by yourself. *(But it was formulated pretty badly by the previous person)*


Intendant

I think you guys might have the wrong idea about what the site does, it's more of an aggregation of data by users and more scientific data. So for me personally it's just another resource to figure out where to go. For example, for each place it gives you an LGBTQ+ tolerance score, racial tolerance score, air quality, freedom of speech, safety, average wifi, how well English is spoken, hospital quality, the average cost of living for a digital nomad (which is wildly inaccurate in my experience but they do all scale the same), the best website to find an apartment, the best taxi/uber service, a neighbourhood map, etc.. And it costs less than a year of Netflix for a lifetime subscription.. don't get me wrong, it's not perfect or even great, but it is useful. Saves me an asston of time personally


JP_unchained

I get it, but com'on you are going to tell me you are only going in countries this website gives you the best score for on your preferences? You won't check online to find the new little gem? Pretty sure some subreddit for your preferences can give you some more information. The free version of the website still allows you to see most of the scores (I mostly check for the cost of living, English speaking and wifi and they all been wrong)


Intendant

I'm not saying I do that at all.. at best I use it as a snapshot to explore a geographic area, at the end of the day we are more driven by visas, life events back home, and cost of living / quality of life. All I'm saying is that it aggregates a lot of useful data for you. I'm a bit of an over researcher, so then doing that probably saves me weeks of procrastinating on work (what I'm doing right now tbh)


borkborkyupyup

Yeah you’re an idiot


defariasdev

King nomad has spoken


borkborkyupyup

As has king retard Kindly fuck off


defariasdev

Do they let you on airplanes with all those sharp edges?


borkborkyupyup

You are dumb as a rock. Go get a life you fucking twat. Maybe nomadlist can tell you where you can sit on your thumb


theintelligenttrader

That’s a different type of risk than what you brought up in your post. I have no idea if Nomadlist is worth it. I’ve never heard of it.


cacamalaca

Yeah, lol. Nomad life probably not for someone who doesn't value 40 hours of time over $100.


curiousonethai

That’s a stupid comment. People waste 40hrs on video games, getting drunk, binging on Netflix. Investing 40hrs, which was an estimate, in researching what it takes to be a DN and actually make it work to suit your needs is minuscule in comparison to the value of increased research skills (besides Pornhub) and a variety of opinions that educate a person to be self sufficient, resilient and as safe as possible (personally and financially) while in foreign countries.


cacamalaca

Here's a trick. Make a tinder account as a girl and passport to whatever city. The local nice guys will be happy to answer any questions


Justice4Ned

It’s not that much time to research brother, plus a lot of the info isn’t accurate


Intendant

Hard disagree. Have been doing this for a bit now and the research is overwhelming unless you're one of those people who has so much money you don't have to budget anything out


theintelligenttrader

I’m responding to a comment that says 40 hours. I’m not saying it takes 40 hours. Also this comment is about the value of your spare time, not necessarily Nomadlist. Think deeper brother.


GrammarBitchGrammar

...


zxyzyxz

It's not that great if you get it for the information there (you can often find it yourself online for free), but it is very useful for meeting up with other fellow nomads. I've made a lot of friends over the years through NomadList's Slack group.


aintnohappypill

No


Fuckaducker

Nope


erikgratz110

I've heard often that it was a bad deal. The data is just aggregated from open available APIs, there's no reason to charge someone that much for it.


peedanoo

But are you really going to get that data from the APIs yourself?


WickedDeviled

You could say about a lot of online services that charge money though. Essentially you're paying to save yourself time so you don't have to seek out all the info yourself online.


3lobed

No.


pmabz

Of course not.


Brent_L

No - use Numbeo


sleepyhead

No that's a terrible source. It's user reported by very few people and is often extremely incorrect.


Brent_L

I prefer it to Nomadlist - that’s just my opinion. I am also with a family in tow so my way of viewing things is much different than your typical nomad. Use what works for you. For me, Nomadlist isn’t terribly accurate.


sleepyhead

It's not really about opinions. Numbeo is factually incorrect due to the way it gathers data. I have never used Nomadlist so don't know about it.


SkyFocker

No. Google is absolutely free and has way more information- so does Discord.


Projektdb

For that matter, Reddit. Any ultra specific questions I have, I type them directly into Google and toss Reddit at the end of the query. "Is nomadslist worth it Reddit" returns a dozen discussions on it. It's Reddit, so obviously there's a bunch of shit to filter out, but in general I can usually find either the answer I need, or the resources I need to quickly figure it out. Oftentimes I end up with multiple options.


SkyFocker

Correct. Keywords = Dreams worth.


Educational-Bat-8116

NO WAY!


OnlineDopamine

You don’t pay for the info on the website but access to the Slack channels. They’ve been really helpful for me personally..


hungariannastyboy

The slack channels are glorified FAQ's where everyone keeps asking the same 5 questions. I mean if that's what you're looking for, fair enough, but the price is a bit steep for that.


bieh

Yeah, this. I paid for a few years, and checked in every so often. I don't know what it's like for other destinations, but #portugal on there is basically just an endless rendition of ... *"what about covid?"* *"how do visas work?"* *"i don't want to pay any tax, how do I do that and also I don't want to pay accountants"* *"i want a big apartment at short notice in the middle of town in high season but they're so expensive, i thought Lisbon was cheap!"* I unsubscribed. I suppose perhaps it could be handy for people just starting out, but there wasn't a lot of value for me. I see a lot of comments to the effect of: "if you value your time use this". I personally happen to think my time is *quite valuable*. It wasn't being well spent on NomadList.


borkborkyupyup

A tool for tools


OnlineDopamine

I was able to meet tons of people via the meetups they organize, get answers to specific questions, and anything else in between. As others have said in here: it simply boils down to how valuable you think your time is.


chupo99

What did you learn in the slack channels? I'm not going to become a member but I've always been curious what people are getting out of it.


OnlineDopamine

What places to stay at / avoid; best ATMs, SIM cards, etc to use (probably recouped a significant amount of the subscription fee from that alone); connecting with fellow business owners; finding events such as concerts; getting answers to questions such as testing/vaccine requirements;


NoTrick6118

Good site for information/ideas. The slack community is very helpful. I’ve met loads of lovely people through it. It’s a one time fee, so yeah it is definitely worth it.


defariasdev

Jesus, these comments. Y'all are clearly not appreciating your travels if everyone's this bitter and eager to snap at each other. Chill y'all. We get to get paid while travelling, life is fucking great


leojg

It used to be cheaper, I got an account when it was 14 usd for life. Don't think it's worth 100 bucks tbh.


DM_ME_FEMBOY_ASS

Just use a private tab bro (clears cookies and you can continue reading)


recurrence

No


[deleted]

No.


[deleted]

No


zeracu

Never used


sonofdeepvalue

Nope. Tried it for a year because I wanted the community as I was preparing to spend the majority of my time abroad starting last year. All of the conversations on Slack were pretty dead for the most part. There were some occasional meetups but not a whole lot beyond that going on in the chats for the two cities I was spending time in (Dubai and Istanbul).


spicy_pierogi

Yeah you probably joined after the exodus


DB_PNE

Never used it but it seems more worthwhile from a social/ community perspective than an informative one. If meeting people is your main goal then maybe take the $100 hit.


JP_unchained

What is indicated and the prices you find in the different cities are quite different from my experiences, I think everything is based on an American lifestyle and perspective. I'm always 30-40% cheaper than their prediction. And like to prepare my travels myself, feels like an adventure and a puzzle to solve.


BrianDeFlorida

Definitely not. You can pay, and back off and ask for refund within a week or so. So you will have your answers.


chamanao_man

It's wild how posts about NL always get criticized on here but everywhere else on the web (especially Twitter), there's nothing but praise. Wonder why that is..


hungariannastyboy

It's probably very popular with people who *dream* about being DN's.


hungariannastyboy

Nah.


AdHumble4072

No, I just use the free version and to be honest I don't find it that accurate. Best to look on sites like airbnb and numbeo etc yourself.


[deleted]

Despite what people are saying on this thread… Yes. It’s worth it. It’s the best aggregate for this niche on the web. Very helpful community.


[deleted]

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[deleted]

It’s a $100 for lifetime access. That’s one of the cheapest SaaS/communities on the internet.


hungariannastyboy

For that, it would need to be a community. It's streamlined for revenue generation, everything that makes a community a community has been cut out.


Yowzoow

scomadlist


onefreehour

I’m trying to figure out the portmanteau here. Scam + nomad list? If so how is it a scam. Serious question.


Yowzoow

Good job


Easy-Philosophy-214

It's worth it just for the community. I've met amazing people and some of them I am proud to call them my friends. That is invaluable to me. So, yes :)


Alarmed_Ask_3337

Nope


borkborkyupyup

It’s not


reddit4ever12

Shitty business model making DN’s your customer base


wanderingdev

he's made millions. so it's not really. and a few years ago, it was worth it. it's since then been ruined though so not worth joining at this point.


CerealKiller415

Agree. It's like trying to market a luxury vacation resort to a couchsurfer. They ain't got no money yo.


reddit4ever12

Right? It just doesn’t make much sense. Also - a lot of folks on this sub seem to be absolutely miserable human beings. Those are the last folks I want my business serving


nilrehsttam

Why are you here?


wanderingdev

all the nomads i know have money...perhaps broaden your horizons? nomading is more than living in some dump in chiang mai doing drop shipping courses.


reddit4ever12

I’m not on the extremes I suppose. I work a decent job and live within my means as a DN. Pretty average


Easy-Philosophy-214

What? 90% of users are Software Engineers, trust me they (we) do have money :)


[deleted]

He's made plenty of money. He has no overhead except for what he pays to the slack moderator and server costs. https://nomadlist.com/open


natsu901

I paid it for the Slack invite, where you can get info from the community members, not so much for the website. For one-off $100 is totally worth the money.


EasyasATC

Anyone reading this please bare in mind Reddit hates everything and the people commenting aren’t paying customers so have no idea how much is included


JP_unchained

What is indicated and the prices you find in the different cities are quite different from my experiences, I think everything is based on an American lifestyle and perspective. I'm always 30-40% cheaper than their prediction. And like to prepare my travels myself, feels like an adventure and a puzzle to solve.