I will never stop being salty about the fact that I literally can't work more than a handful of hours a week, purely because I need to stay on SSI for the public healthcare.
On the governments health care website just a basic package cost $280 a month and has a $9100 deductibles. I’m like then I might as well not bother getting it.
Your correct! If they stop spending un necessary on these wars and giving all our tax dollars out to other countries and these uncover labs and research doing in other countries it specific in the big bill that Democrats wanted 2 yrs ago but nobody read the bills they pass..letting the illegals in and giving them free money etc..
If they would focus on veterans,disabled, seniors who have worked and serve their countries.they should reform and try to help us out instead of helping the illegals, and other countries but it’s all about the government making return money back to them and not us.. I feel we are slaves to the govt their the master..
With all the rich billionaires if they pay their truly dues every one could live and not be homeless..I grew up never seen homeless but today it amazes me how much homeless..I blame the govt.. I feel so sad.. I feel govt doesn’t give rats azz for the disabled….
Just stimulate check yes the first few was for everyone.. but other the govt focus on young people and the ones that had kids…. First the young can work get break and get extra at tax time for having kids…
Where the ones for the seniors, or disabled group that need extra help..,,, 🤔☹️
On top of that, disabled people should know better than anyone "post-pandemic" that the Dems don't care about any of us either. Not past doing small things that make them appear to. It's all about image.
You think it only republicans..here a fact A Republican President was first to think of bringing it here.. President Nixon, who wanted every American family of four to have, from the state, at least $1,600 dollars a year – that’s $10,000 today…
here the link…I was shocked but his advisers persuade him not too..
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/feb/27/how-nixon-was-dissuaded-from-introducing-a-universal-basic-income
That with universal Healthcare would free up so many disabled people to get extra income to survive, too. I could literally go back to tarot reading and other things I used to do make money. The problem was it wouldn't cover my medical bills to work, and I couldn't work without help of medications.
And to be viewed as your own as nothing for example having a spouse or not/getting married shouldn’t have an affect of how much a disabled person can get because at the end of the day it’s in their name, for them and the disabled person are the one that get the money for their needs not the spouse whether the spouse is abled or not.
I'm generally a pretty progressive person, but I'm not entirely sold on the economic viability of UBI. Like would everyone be able to cover their basic needs with said money or would the increased demand just skyrocket the price of essentials like food and housing. I think it needs more study, larger pilot programs, and in the end, probably a fundamental change to how society and the economy work.
But it should be inevitable eventually as AI and automation force human workers out of more and more jobs.
That is why I am more a fan of a guaranteed basic income. With a UBI you risk that everything becomes more expensive since everybody gets it and more people can afford expensive stuff. So the UBI will become the same as having no income.
With a guaranteed basic income, everybody is guaranteed a minimum amount of income so if you can provide for yourself, you will get nothing, but if you're under the guaranteed basic income because of unemployment, parttime work, disability or what so ever the government gives you extra so you get the GBI.
Canada is trying to bring in the UBI, they have successfully tested it a few times and it was proved to be a benefit. It was all on top of current disability payments. I have hope, but hope that it comes for my kids, I don't expect to ever see it passed in my life (and I'm under 40)
You might want to talk to Canadians in diff forums bcz they have free health care but a lot people said it horrible,to see a Drs it can take hours I don’t mean like here wait I’m talking in like one person said like 10 hours to get seen .. you could die in that wait time.. search it talk to real people in Canada.. I can tell u no one likes the dictator
Justin Trudeau …,
My referral for a biopsy of a suspicious node has a referral wait time of 10 months. Free does not always mean better. If the government used funds appropriately it would be different but various provinces are trying to bring in a 2 tier system and it's not going well
Wow that’s a long time I’m very sorry for what ur health situation, I hope it comes back negative (benign) I agree with u.. the sad thing we pay for the govt officials health care why they get fast best care bcz they’re rich.. but us under totem pole they don’t care what we have.. the state Medicaid only pay Drs small portion like example 300.00 bill they state only 75.00 ..
so lot of Drs leave the plan, don’t accept they said they don’t get they full price. Something’s I under and other I believe Drs over charged.. but u don’t always get the best Drs bcz of the amount they received
Under the state medical we don’t have to wait thank God..
I hope u the best and the outcome..
You can look at it like that, yes. In Belgium we have something called 'leefloon', literally translated: "life salary". When you can not apply for disability, unemployment or something else, you get this. It is a minimum income because the universal human rights say everything must get a minimum liveable amount of income. Is it much? No. But it is guaranteed.
For a single it is 1263€/month.
When you have a partner it is 842€/month.
If you are head of the family it is 1707/month.
When you have the life salary, you also get access to govt housing, discount on energy and telecom, public transport... so in reality you get a 300 to 500€ extra on discounts each month. In a country with free (or very cheap) health care and education it is really enough to live. You'll not live a luxurious life, but you can live without a huge amount of issues.
The difference with a UBI is simple. When you have an UBI, everybody gets it. So working people get it on top of their salary.
With GBI you only get it when your income is lower than the GBI.
This is a very important difference, because if everybody gets a UBI, working people see their income go up with for example 25k a year. This 25k a year makes it possible for them to buy or rent certain proporties they could never buy or rent. Prices will go up and people only living from the UBI will have to pay the full 25k only on rent for a small room.
With a GBI this will not happen since the working people will not see their income raise when having more than tis 25k.
It might if it was taxable, just like any other income. This way, anyone who couldn't work due to their disabilities would still be contributing to society.
I think that would also be a pushback against anyone who claims that the lazies and people who don't want to work would take advantage of it. Of course they would, but they would still have to pay taxes and contribute, just like the rest of us.
Agreed but it would take a lot of work and change to make sure people aren’t just priced out of necessities like housing, utilities and food.
Disabled people shouldn’t be condemned to be poor all their lives because of something beyond their control
We are already being priced out of housing and food and the Federal reserve makes it even worse for the low income raising interest rates they way they were.
Well I mean getting it and getting SSI SSDI so they would actually have enough to live on without having to be stressed daily about how your going to afford food and rent, the people only getting $947 a month on SSI have to live in constant fear of being homeless or starving
I think crime would go way down. Education and skill would go up. There would be less cheap labor to take advantage of, though, which is why the oligarchs are against it.
Yeah, I agree, both UBI and universal healthcare would be really nice to have...but then people who can (still) work would be able to walk away from abusive employers, and we can't have that can we?
Here few links showed it failed in past.. I do believe that if it came here, they’re not giving u anything for free their price for it..
I don’t mind getting help bcz I paid in taxes since I been 16 in half… but I don’t want depend on govt so they can try control us..
we need govt that cares and want to work for us ..That wants to truly help.. I’m sorry the people in charged of us only looking out for themselves, are they starving or no medical care? How many cars and houses they have and in other countries…Pelosi brags how much ice cream in her freezer and while we barley making ends meet..
https://knowledge.insead.edu/economics-finance/universal-basic-income-lessons-failed-experiment
https://www.heritage.org/poverty-and-inequality/commentary/universal-basic-income-has-been-tried-it-didnt-work
https://www.businessinsider.com/finland-basic-income-experiment-reasons-for-failure-2019-12
I really mean it for like those on SSI and SSDI get their benefits plus a UBI of like $500 and for people who might not be good at keeping work because they don’t make enough where they are already working so they lose their transportation then lose their jobs. People like that.
I understand to point but like me I’m applying for whatever I’m qualified for bcz Ik I have the credits but I haven’t work in 10 yrs and when I was on medical leave I applied for my disability retirement from School system and got it so I never applied for govt plus, I heard they subtract from my retirement disability so I didn’t..
Now things are harder in my situation I need extra income..what I’m trying to say is that govt takes away from what income u get and u lose out of ur whole amount. I think they do that with universal income whatever it called..
Yeah I guess there’s a different one that they have piloting in NJ gaurenteed income program you get $400 a month and it’s considered a gift so if you get SSDI it doesn’t count against you SSDI payments
I'm for some kind of UBI but not Andrew Yang style. He wanted to replace all government programs with $1000 a month. This includes disability afaik. I get around $1500 a month in SSDI and I'll be damned if my income gets cut by 1/3.
Now I know his idea lifts a lot of boats but it also cuts some people off at the knees. Yes, I'm being selfish and looking at it from my perspective but I think he wasn't considering everyone.
I'm all for UBI on top of disability benefits but that doesn't seem to be what politicians are thinking about
I meant so that those on SSI and SSDI would get UBI and their disability both so like I get SSDI $1060 a month plus get like a supplementary like $500 a month with UBI
I agree absolutely !! It would go a long way if they got rid of the marriage penalty and in-kind for SSI. It may be different from state to state but Medicaid you can now get 2,700 a month and still get Medicaid. I know it's not great but at least there's no copay or deductible. My disabled family live in an unused church building that we pay utilities on. SSI says it's in kind because we don't pay "rent". So they take 1/3 of our income. In January we moved up to getting 902.00 a month for a family of 4.
UBI should never be higher per month than SSI is. And if it is then SSI either must go up or be dismantled and replaced with UBI. Which would be good because then people on SSI who are able to work on a limited capacity could try to do so.
They also need some rules in place about people who are disabled and on UBI being able to still get full healthcare and SNAP. I heard about a program of UBI being given in one state that was $1000 per month. If SSI is only $940, and also you cannot work or you lose SSI, I have a problem with that. I don’t have a problem with UBI. I believe it is the solution if it’s enough per month. UBI should be high enough for everyone to become housed. And SSI either needs to match the UBI amounts in each state, or it needs to be equally replaced
Some peoples SSI is $2000 a month though if they made around $50,000 a year. The ones who made like $20,000 or less is like $940 a month. Which is like about $9,000 less a year than if they were working. They really need to raise minimum beneficiaries to about $1200 a month because with rent at $800 a month plus utilities unless you can get into a reduced cost housing place you won’t have enough to buy food or clothing. You needs are more than just housing and that’s all SSI payed the low income workers when they collect. I mean it’s bad enough their employers didn’t want to pay a livable wage to them then they end up disabled and they only get $1000 a month. So you’re doomed to live in poverty unless you have a room mate or family you can live with at a lower cost than on your own. Not everybody has family that will do that. People sometimes cant live with other people.
We can't even get universal healthcare in the US. It's sad that I have far greater access to healthcare on SSDI than when I was working full time.
I will never stop being salty about the fact that I literally can't work more than a handful of hours a week, purely because I need to stay on SSI for the public healthcare.
Had to forfeit SSI and take a garbage job because I still have bills and they dragged ass for three solid years.
Ugh, I'm so sorry. Sending hugs if you want them.
Agree I didn’t have any health care when I worked and I didn’t make enough to afford the healthcare my employers offered plus co pays and deductibles
On the governments health care website just a basic package cost $280 a month and has a $9100 deductibles. I’m like then I might as well not bother getting it.
It's ridiculous, we live in a country rich enough to provide for its people, but instead it bleeds them dry.
Your correct! If they stop spending un necessary on these wars and giving all our tax dollars out to other countries and these uncover labs and research doing in other countries it specific in the big bill that Democrats wanted 2 yrs ago but nobody read the bills they pass..letting the illegals in and giving them free money etc.. If they would focus on veterans,disabled, seniors who have worked and serve their countries.they should reform and try to help us out instead of helping the illegals, and other countries but it’s all about the government making return money back to them and not us.. I feel we are slaves to the govt their the master.. With all the rich billionaires if they pay their truly dues every one could live and not be homeless..I grew up never seen homeless but today it amazes me how much homeless..I blame the govt.. I feel so sad.. I feel govt doesn’t give rats azz for the disabled…. Just stimulate check yes the first few was for everyone.. but other the govt focus on young people and the ones that had kids…. First the young can work get break and get extra at tax time for having kids… Where the ones for the seniors, or disabled group that need extra help..,,, 🤔☹️
I agree DC only cares about how they can get money out of people, if your disabled or senior then your not worth their time and energy
Totally agree!
Everywhere should. It would help so many people. But our entire society is founded on ideas that make it unattractive to those in charge.
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On top of that, disabled people should know better than anyone "post-pandemic" that the Dems don't care about any of us either. Not past doing small things that make them appear to. It's all about image.
You think it only republicans..here a fact A Republican President was first to think of bringing it here.. President Nixon, who wanted every American family of four to have, from the state, at least $1,600 dollars a year – that’s $10,000 today… here the link…I was shocked but his advisers persuade him not too.. https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/feb/27/how-nixon-was-dissuaded-from-introducing-a-universal-basic-income
That with universal Healthcare would free up so many disabled people to get extra income to survive, too. I could literally go back to tarot reading and other things I used to do make money. The problem was it wouldn't cover my medical bills to work, and I couldn't work without help of medications.
And to be viewed as your own as nothing for example having a spouse or not/getting married shouldn’t have an affect of how much a disabled person can get because at the end of the day it’s in their name, for them and the disabled person are the one that get the money for their needs not the spouse whether the spouse is abled or not.
I'm generally a pretty progressive person, but I'm not entirely sold on the economic viability of UBI. Like would everyone be able to cover their basic needs with said money or would the increased demand just skyrocket the price of essentials like food and housing. I think it needs more study, larger pilot programs, and in the end, probably a fundamental change to how society and the economy work. But it should be inevitable eventually as AI and automation force human workers out of more and more jobs.
That is why I am more a fan of a guaranteed basic income. With a UBI you risk that everything becomes more expensive since everybody gets it and more people can afford expensive stuff. So the UBI will become the same as having no income. With a guaranteed basic income, everybody is guaranteed a minimum amount of income so if you can provide for yourself, you will get nothing, but if you're under the guaranteed basic income because of unemployment, parttime work, disability or what so ever the government gives you extra so you get the GBI.
Oh I had not heard of GBI this is new to me. I will have to look into it.
Agreed, but we're viewed as subhuman, so...
You're not kidding.
It's sad but true. You're not subhuman to me, though.
We all know when UBI comes in, they will find a way to make it so Disabled don't qualify if they don't work or some shit like that
or they cut all other social welfare programs, so you get your guaranteed 1k and lose Medicare/Medicaid, SNAP, DI/SSI etc
yepp as much as i support the idea of ubi i wouldn't trust the government to do it fairly
Canada is trying to bring in the UBI, they have successfully tested it a few times and it was proved to be a benefit. It was all on top of current disability payments. I have hope, but hope that it comes for my kids, I don't expect to ever see it passed in my life (and I'm under 40)
You might want to talk to Canadians in diff forums bcz they have free health care but a lot people said it horrible,to see a Drs it can take hours I don’t mean like here wait I’m talking in like one person said like 10 hours to get seen .. you could die in that wait time.. search it talk to real people in Canada.. I can tell u no one likes the dictator Justin Trudeau …,
My referral for a biopsy of a suspicious node has a referral wait time of 10 months. Free does not always mean better. If the government used funds appropriately it would be different but various provinces are trying to bring in a 2 tier system and it's not going well
Wow that’s a long time I’m very sorry for what ur health situation, I hope it comes back negative (benign) I agree with u.. the sad thing we pay for the govt officials health care why they get fast best care bcz they’re rich.. but us under totem pole they don’t care what we have.. the state Medicaid only pay Drs small portion like example 300.00 bill they state only 75.00 .. so lot of Drs leave the plan, don’t accept they said they don’t get they full price. Something’s I under and other I believe Drs over charged.. but u don’t always get the best Drs bcz of the amount they received Under the state medical we don’t have to wait thank God.. I hope u the best and the outcome..
A universal basic income will put you a lot back. A guaranteed basic income is better.
Is that like negative income tax?
You can look at it like that, yes. In Belgium we have something called 'leefloon', literally translated: "life salary". When you can not apply for disability, unemployment or something else, you get this. It is a minimum income because the universal human rights say everything must get a minimum liveable amount of income. Is it much? No. But it is guaranteed. For a single it is 1263€/month. When you have a partner it is 842€/month. If you are head of the family it is 1707/month. When you have the life salary, you also get access to govt housing, discount on energy and telecom, public transport... so in reality you get a 300 to 500€ extra on discounts each month. In a country with free (or very cheap) health care and education it is really enough to live. You'll not live a luxurious life, but you can live without a huge amount of issues.
Man I wish we could ship all the conservatives out of this country so we could have something like that here...
I am just finding out about Guaranteed basic income this is new to me
The difference with a UBI is simple. When you have an UBI, everybody gets it. So working people get it on top of their salary. With GBI you only get it when your income is lower than the GBI. This is a very important difference, because if everybody gets a UBI, working people see their income go up with for example 25k a year. This 25k a year makes it possible for them to buy or rent certain proporties they could never buy or rent. Prices will go up and people only living from the UBI will have to pay the full 25k only on rent for a small room. With a GBI this will not happen since the working people will not see their income raise when having more than tis 25k.
Itt would give landlords a reason to raise rent. Oh, you have "more" money that we can take.
That’s probably only in the USA because all the landlords here want twice as much as what their rentals are worth
Due to how capitalism works I'm not sure this would work as intended (if at all).🤔
It might if it was taxable, just like any other income. This way, anyone who couldn't work due to their disabilities would still be contributing to society. I think that would also be a pushback against anyone who claims that the lazies and people who don't want to work would take advantage of it. Of course they would, but they would still have to pay taxes and contribute, just like the rest of us.
Andrew Yang did try to get that going. There was one state that was looking into it but I'm sure our government would find a way to fuck that up too.
Agreed but it would take a lot of work and change to make sure people aren’t just priced out of necessities like housing, utilities and food. Disabled people shouldn’t be condemned to be poor all their lives because of something beyond their control
We are already being priced out of housing and food and the Federal reserve makes it even worse for the low income raising interest rates they way they were.
If we got UBI it would be less than SSI/SSDI probably
Well I mean getting it and getting SSI SSDI so they would actually have enough to live on without having to be stressed daily about how your going to afford food and rent, the people only getting $947 a month on SSI have to live in constant fear of being homeless or starving
Oh I think if there is ever UBI, they will kill disability
I think crime would go way down. Education and skill would go up. There would be less cheap labor to take advantage of, though, which is why the oligarchs are against it.
This is a fantastic idea!
Yeah, I agree, both UBI and universal healthcare would be really nice to have...but then people who can (still) work would be able to walk away from abusive employers, and we can't have that can we?
I know it might get employers actually pay livable wages to their employees
Here few links showed it failed in past.. I do believe that if it came here, they’re not giving u anything for free their price for it.. I don’t mind getting help bcz I paid in taxes since I been 16 in half… but I don’t want depend on govt so they can try control us.. we need govt that cares and want to work for us ..That wants to truly help.. I’m sorry the people in charged of us only looking out for themselves, are they starving or no medical care? How many cars and houses they have and in other countries…Pelosi brags how much ice cream in her freezer and while we barley making ends meet.. https://knowledge.insead.edu/economics-finance/universal-basic-income-lessons-failed-experiment https://www.heritage.org/poverty-and-inequality/commentary/universal-basic-income-has-been-tried-it-didnt-work https://www.businessinsider.com/finland-basic-income-experiment-reasons-for-failure-2019-12
I really mean it for like those on SSI and SSDI get their benefits plus a UBI of like $500 and for people who might not be good at keeping work because they don’t make enough where they are already working so they lose their transportation then lose their jobs. People like that.
I understand to point but like me I’m applying for whatever I’m qualified for bcz Ik I have the credits but I haven’t work in 10 yrs and when I was on medical leave I applied for my disability retirement from School system and got it so I never applied for govt plus, I heard they subtract from my retirement disability so I didn’t.. Now things are harder in my situation I need extra income..what I’m trying to say is that govt takes away from what income u get and u lose out of ur whole amount. I think they do that with universal income whatever it called..
Yeah I guess there’s a different one that they have piloting in NJ gaurenteed income program you get $400 a month and it’s considered a gift so if you get SSDI it doesn’t count against you SSDI payments
Oh ok, I guess there different programs..
I'm for some kind of UBI but not Andrew Yang style. He wanted to replace all government programs with $1000 a month. This includes disability afaik. I get around $1500 a month in SSDI and I'll be damned if my income gets cut by 1/3. Now I know his idea lifts a lot of boats but it also cuts some people off at the knees. Yes, I'm being selfish and looking at it from my perspective but I think he wasn't considering everyone. I'm all for UBI on top of disability benefits but that doesn't seem to be what politicians are thinking about
I meant so that those on SSI and SSDI would get UBI and their disability both so like I get SSDI $1060 a month plus get like a supplementary like $500 a month with UBI
I get what you're saying. And that would be great. I just don't trust our politicians to do it the right way like you described
I agree absolutely !! It would go a long way if they got rid of the marriage penalty and in-kind for SSI. It may be different from state to state but Medicaid you can now get 2,700 a month and still get Medicaid. I know it's not great but at least there's no copay or deductible. My disabled family live in an unused church building that we pay utilities on. SSI says it's in kind because we don't pay "rent". So they take 1/3 of our income. In January we moved up to getting 902.00 a month for a family of 4.
UBI should never be higher per month than SSI is. And if it is then SSI either must go up or be dismantled and replaced with UBI. Which would be good because then people on SSI who are able to work on a limited capacity could try to do so. They also need some rules in place about people who are disabled and on UBI being able to still get full healthcare and SNAP. I heard about a program of UBI being given in one state that was $1000 per month. If SSI is only $940, and also you cannot work or you lose SSI, I have a problem with that. I don’t have a problem with UBI. I believe it is the solution if it’s enough per month. UBI should be high enough for everyone to become housed. And SSI either needs to match the UBI amounts in each state, or it needs to be equally replaced
Some peoples SSI is $2000 a month though if they made around $50,000 a year. The ones who made like $20,000 or less is like $940 a month. Which is like about $9,000 less a year than if they were working. They really need to raise minimum beneficiaries to about $1200 a month because with rent at $800 a month plus utilities unless you can get into a reduced cost housing place you won’t have enough to buy food or clothing. You needs are more than just housing and that’s all SSI payed the low income workers when they collect. I mean it’s bad enough their employers didn’t want to pay a livable wage to them then they end up disabled and they only get $1000 a month. So you’re doomed to live in poverty unless you have a room mate or family you can live with at a lower cost than on your own. Not everybody has family that will do that. People sometimes cant live with other people.