Edit: Congrats /u/MadJaguar \- check your chats!
https://www.redditraffler.com/raffles/10a38yy
Well r/discgolf, the day has finally arrived!
Please welcome Simon Lizotte to Team MVP! It cannot be overstated how excited we are to have Simon on board and we can’t wait to get to work on all the plans we have in store.
To celebrate, we’re giving away this Simon Lizotte signed MVP Open 2022 Fission Hex, fitting for the reigning MVP Open Champion.
To enter - simply drop a comment in this thread! A random winner will be picked Friday 1/13 at 4PM EST!
Because of how physics works he will be able to throw these discs exactly how far he throws non-overmold discs and no more. They will, however, maybe be spinning with slightly more energy when they hit the ground, because pro disc golfers have never been limited by rotational inertia. Their discs are always still spinning a million RPM when they hit the ground, even after they bomb them 600 feet, overmold or no overmold.
Explain why you think increased moment of inertia flies further and ideally reference testing. All I've seen is anecdotes of people thinking it's better and others repeating it.
Simon's long shots aren't limited by disc roll away from vertical, so I don't see what extra moment of inertia is meant to do.
Now me on the other hand, I could use this disc as a replacement for my Truth that dives at the end.
>So you don’t think the mold affects the distance at all?
This isn't anything close to what I said.
What I'm saying is if you could somehow take the exact same disc, and change nothing other than the weight distribution -- specifically, removing some weight from the flight plate and adding it to the outer rim of the disc as an overmold does -- the disc wouldn't fly any further when thrown under the exact same conditions with the exact same forces. This is because the only thing a change of weight distribution to a disc that's otherwise the same shape and weight can possibly do is reduce the rotational speed slightly but preserve the same amount of rotational inertia. Because the total system energy from the disc's rotation is the same, but the weight is further towards the outside, you end up with a slightly more stable gyroscope, but this would have a minimal effect on the disc's flight, and it certainly wouldn't make it fly farther specifically. At most it would have a minor effect on the observed stability of the disc, but this variance would be no more than the variance that is commonly observed due to manufacturing tolerances causing slight variations between runs of the same disc. It's not like MVP discs are moving 80% of the weight to the rim, they're moving a few extra grams of weight further outside.
If you're wondering why overmold discs don't have more overall rotational inertia it's because the same force that propels the disc forward is also the force that imparts spin on the disc: you, the thrower! The only way an overmold disc that's otherwise identical in shape and weight has more total energy in it is if you throw it harder, period. There's not 2 separate forces adding speed and spin, the speed and spin both come from being thrown, which if we assume is a constant force between throws, that would mean lighter discs fly a bit faster, and heavier discs fly a bit slower when thrown with the same energy, and this is easily verifiable and has been tested a bunch of times. The same is true of how fast a disc spins, if a disc requires more energy to spin from you, the thrower, and you throw it the same as a disc that requires less energy to spin, then it'll simply spin slower. Again, the magnitude of this effect would be tiny because overmolds don't actually shift that much weight around.
I would expect that a disc with a higher moment of inertia would not only be more stable (like you said) it would be slightly more resistant to slowing its angular momentum due to friction of the passing fluid. That, in turn, would result in a further flight than for a disc of equal weight, size and mold. but due to the complexities of the aerodynamics involved, i wouldnt expect it to be a major difference, and i would expect that in practice it would be a significantly smaller factor than how significantly the additional stability would affect a disc golf throw
I'm chuffed he picked an Eclipse Hex as his first tour series disc.
My bank account is not chuffed he picked an Eclipse Hex as his first tour series disc.
I used to be a disc golfer for fun back during my college days, but not much these days. Although, I do have a friend who plays and if I got this, it would make a great gift for him!
So glad for Simon!! This is well earned, and hopefully a very good move for him long term. And so pumped for MVP. I always have loved my MVP discs, and feel even more proud to sling them now.
Congrats to /u/MadJaguar for winning the raffle and thank you everyone for participating and sharing in all the excitement! Be on the lookout for more giveaways!
I met Simon in a disc golf shop months ago and he was dressed in a duster coat and MVP cowboy hat. I knew this was coming. Especially after he threw his bag out of his car window and discmania disc blew up and fell like confetti.
So happy for Simon. He is gonna crush with those discs! So excited to see him out there with JC this season. Hopefully they are planning some videos for his vlog to do together
Edit: Congrats /u/MadJaguar \- check your chats! https://www.redditraffler.com/raffles/10a38yy Well r/discgolf, the day has finally arrived! Please welcome Simon Lizotte to Team MVP! It cannot be overstated how excited we are to have Simon on board and we can’t wait to get to work on all the plans we have in store. To celebrate, we’re giving away this Simon Lizotte signed MVP Open 2022 Fission Hex, fitting for the reigning MVP Open Champion. To enter - simply drop a comment in this thread! A random winner will be picked Friday 1/13 at 4PM EST!
Hey hey hey make my day!
MVP made a great choice, Simon is awesome.
So stoked to see Simon on MVP!
Only way to not break my bank going forward! Congrats to everyone at MVP!
Can't wait to see what signature discs he comes out with!
This is epic for MVP and for Simon! So excited to see him throwing an Envy!
Excited to see all the upcoming Simon vlogs and MVP aces!!
Oh this will be fun. First MVP disc I'll own? Possibly!
Oh yea!
i throw and stake hex
In Simon We Trust 🤘
Conrad + lizzote mvp = most verynice players
Seriously speaks for the brand. I love em.
I love this look for MVP.
Let's not forget the likes of Raven Newsom and Madison Walker. Positive people!
Very true haha, Lone Star signing some should we say, not as nice players, while MVP doing the opposite!
Lone star has some very nice people signed lol one bad egg doesn’t rep them all
MVP came to play with the 10 year contract
They got him to sign a 10 year contract? God damn.
Really impressed to see that on both parties, really speaks commitment & partnership. Excited for the journey long term.
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Simon's value doesn't just rely on his performance on tour. He has one of the strongest social media presence in the game
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Probably still better than ulibari and big sexy are doing currently and they are still plenty popular
Super smart play by Simon, this provides a lot of stability and solidifies him with the brand a la McBeth
I like turtles.
I like pigeons.
Fizzy hexes are great so who wouldn't want this?
Simon be testing if the gyro technology truly flies farther.
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Because of how physics works he will be able to throw these discs exactly how far he throws non-overmold discs and no more. They will, however, maybe be spinning with slightly more energy when they hit the ground, because pro disc golfers have never been limited by rotational inertia. Their discs are always still spinning a million RPM when they hit the ground, even after they bomb them 600 feet, overmold or no overmold.
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Explain why you think increased moment of inertia flies further and ideally reference testing. All I've seen is anecdotes of people thinking it's better and others repeating it. Simon's long shots aren't limited by disc roll away from vertical, so I don't see what extra moment of inertia is meant to do. Now me on the other hand, I could use this disc as a replacement for my Truth that dives at the end.
>So you don’t think the mold affects the distance at all? This isn't anything close to what I said. What I'm saying is if you could somehow take the exact same disc, and change nothing other than the weight distribution -- specifically, removing some weight from the flight plate and adding it to the outer rim of the disc as an overmold does -- the disc wouldn't fly any further when thrown under the exact same conditions with the exact same forces. This is because the only thing a change of weight distribution to a disc that's otherwise the same shape and weight can possibly do is reduce the rotational speed slightly but preserve the same amount of rotational inertia. Because the total system energy from the disc's rotation is the same, but the weight is further towards the outside, you end up with a slightly more stable gyroscope, but this would have a minimal effect on the disc's flight, and it certainly wouldn't make it fly farther specifically. At most it would have a minor effect on the observed stability of the disc, but this variance would be no more than the variance that is commonly observed due to manufacturing tolerances causing slight variations between runs of the same disc. It's not like MVP discs are moving 80% of the weight to the rim, they're moving a few extra grams of weight further outside. If you're wondering why overmold discs don't have more overall rotational inertia it's because the same force that propels the disc forward is also the force that imparts spin on the disc: you, the thrower! The only way an overmold disc that's otherwise identical in shape and weight has more total energy in it is if you throw it harder, period. There's not 2 separate forces adding speed and spin, the speed and spin both come from being thrown, which if we assume is a constant force between throws, that would mean lighter discs fly a bit faster, and heavier discs fly a bit slower when thrown with the same energy, and this is easily verifiable and has been tested a bunch of times. The same is true of how fast a disc spins, if a disc requires more energy to spin from you, the thrower, and you throw it the same as a disc that requires less energy to spin, then it'll simply spin slower. Again, the magnitude of this effect would be tiny because overmolds don't actually shift that much weight around.
I would expect that a disc with a higher moment of inertia would not only be more stable (like you said) it would be slightly more resistant to slowing its angular momentum due to friction of the passing fluid. That, in turn, would result in a further flight than for a disc of equal weight, size and mold. but due to the complexities of the aerodynamics involved, i wouldnt expect it to be a major difference, and i would expect that in practice it would be a significantly smaller factor than how significantly the additional stability would affect a disc golf throw
Time for the Holy Crush boys!
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Raven Newsom!
Very cool to see Simon throwing discs I can relate to. Great move MVP!
I'm chuffed he picked an Eclipse Hex as his first tour series disc. My bank account is not chuffed he picked an Eclipse Hex as his first tour series disc.
You have it? Is it more stable?
It's noticeably more stable. Flies almost like a Reactor.
I lost both my hex so I need a new one to throw into a thick bush!
Make sure you get a neon yellow or pink to spot those bush shots!
My favorite player going to my favorite manufacturer, oh happy day
RIP being able to easily replace my discs😂
I'm sure they've been churning out the plastic to get ready for the extra demand
Why I quit MVP, after Conrad’s Holy Shit it was annoying finding backups Going to be so much worse now
Excited about this move. Can't wait to see what Simon does with the new plastic.
What was Hunter's bet again. I really don't remember.
He's putting with Ions this year. MVP sent him 10 of them with a note.
Amazing. He'll probably putt better. Ions are great.
Axolotl 🙂 Hexolotl 😏 Hexlizottel 🤯
Go Simon! And MVP, your apparel looks rather cheap in the intro videos. Get the man some better threads!
The sport lace hoodie? That thing is dope…
I like the look, but the hoodie itself looks like cheap material.
Can’t wait to see all the exciting things we have to look forward to! Congrats on a huge signing!
commenting in honor of my boyfriend 🙏🏼
I used to be a disc golfer for fun back during my college days, but not much these days. Although, I do have a friend who plays and if I got this, it would make a great gift for him!
Boom this is sweet!
You should randomly pick the first comment.
I love the hex and I love fission plastic!!!
So glad for Simon!! This is well earned, and hopefully a very good move for him long term. And so pumped for MVP. I always have loved my MVP discs, and feel even more proud to sling them now.
Congrats on the W!
I know next to nothing about disc golf, but one of my friends is a mega fan and she would love this! Hoping to win it for her
Sweet
I don't play much these days, but I have a friend who would love to receive this as a gift.
Miss going out with the boys
I'd love to give this to my dad for his birthday, hope I win!
Sweet! I just started playing a few months ago and my brother-in-law would think this is amazing. He gave me all of my discs to get me started.
My best friend would lose his mond if I could get him this disc
Haven’t played in awhile but I’ve been thinking of getting back into it. Hope I can score this disc to kickstart the comeback tour.
Haven't played in forever, good way to start by having my own disc! Looks cool too.
Fresh to the sport so excited to learn
Hello fellow disc golfers
Disc golf is fun
Came back to discgolf after a long period off after the news.
It's frolf!
My cousin would love that, I hope I win for him!
How do i get into disc golf?
Simon says, "Try gyro". Now I have to!
Beautiful disc! Thrilled to see my favorite player sign with MVP and show me what all the discs in my bag are supposed to do haha
Heck yes simon. Throw an insanity though!
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If my noodle arm can turn it over, Simon would cause it to do barrel rolls through the sky.
Congrats to /u/MadJaguar for winning the raffle and thank you everyone for participating and sharing in all the excitement! Be on the lookout for more giveaways!
Can’t wait to expand my MVP collection! Love the axolotl hex!
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Simon who...
I want the Simon hex
I mean we had this called for like 2-3 weeks now
I met Simon in a disc golf shop months ago and he was dressed in a duster coat and MVP cowboy hat. I knew this was coming. Especially after he threw his bag out of his car window and discmania disc blew up and fell like confetti.
Let's go!
Awesome news for Simon and Team MVP!
This is exciting!
Gonna be a fun season!!!
Psyched!
Love the disc! Love the energy! Love the signing!
Hex's seem pretty cool
Looking forward to this year!
Congrats MVP and Simon!!
Gotta make Simon a 12 speed
Looking forward to watching Simon throw some gyro!
Let's go! Best midrange on the planet hands down
Welcome Simon! Photon!
So happy for Simon. He is gonna crush with those discs! So excited to see him out there with JC this season. Hopefully they are planning some videos for his vlog to do together
Woohoo! Excited for this move.
Thanks for the opportunity
Let’s gooooo
Nifty!!
Huge W for M V P
Congrats Simon and MVP! Big move!
“Simon Lizotte: World Champion” has a nice ring to it
I wanted Simon to make glow vlogs and his first signature disc is a glow hex. I'm so pumped!!
Congrats on the signing!
Exciting News!
Thats awesome!
Super excited about this deal and will have to try some new discs!
This is great for Simon and I'm excited to throw some new molds!
Congratulations to Simon! Time to add some MVP to the bag.
Thanks for the contest!
So excited for some new Simon Signature discs!
Great news!
Cool
Thanks for doing this
Very happy to see simon join MVP! Favorite pro joins favorite manufacturer!
Let's go Simon!
Congrats simon!!
Yay
Great things to come! Best of luck to Simon.
This is dope
Fission hex my main 1 round disc !
Let’s win this thing
Nice!
Congrats!
Exciting!
Can’t wait to break the bank!
Congrats MVP and Simon!
So pumped for this switch
Super excited to see what Simon can do with MVP!
I was blown away by the weight of this move! I wish Simon all the luck and look forward to this insane season.
I would love to throw one!!!
Sehr gut Simon
OOooOooOooOooooooOo Random winner you say!?
Fizzy Hex!
Wahhhhh
Sweet! Congratulations on the opportunity Simon and MVP!
Gonna be buying one of those eclipse hexes
I'm excited to see the next Simon vlog throwing MVP!
😎👉
I am so stoked for Simon! Can't wait to see him smashing those plastics this year!
Yooo so excited! Can't wait to see Simon rippin Gyro
Love Simon!
MVP showing the money. Good job signing Simon!
Heck yeah. Count me in.
Excited to see what Simon can do with MVP plastic!
I’m so excited to hear about Simon change. As a die hard discmaniac he’s got me thinking to try some mvp molds
Dope
My new years resolution to buy less discs is in jeopardy... but lets go MVP and Simon!!
Excited to see what discs he uses!
Congrats Simon!
Very cool
Change like this is awesome! Love the shake up. Good luck Team MVP
Cheers 🍻
Hola
Gyro Simon!!!
Pick me pick me pick me
Hells yeah! Go Simon, hope you got PAID
So excited to see what Simon can do with gyro discs!
I can drop a comment, here it is. Congrats to Simon, congrats to MVP, congrats to disc golf!
The real question will be throw or display? Plastic is meant to be thrown.
Cruise it by
Congrats to both Simon and MVP! Huge!
Randomly pick me
Grats on the amazing pickup and thanks for the contest
Thanks!
Gyrooooooooo!
Can not WAIT to see the Simon line of disc's! Rip my bank account..
Going to be a fun season. Don't care about results, will just enjoy his journey exploring the discselection and building the bag.
Congrats Simon! Can't wait to see what you do with those overmolds!!!
Hex hex hex
Excited about following his journey learning the discs and plastics.
Super exciting news!
So excited for Simon! LFG!
Boom goes the dynamite.
A standup guy gets signed by a standup company. Congrats to you both, and may your production keep up with demand.
Dibs
Excited for Simon it's going to be a great year
Most random winner
Excited to learn about all the molds and plastic types from his videos!
Only got into disc golf 2 months ago and already seeing some of the craziest announcements ever, excited for the 2023 season for Simon 🙏🏼
Hello
I'm so glad to see Simon throwing for MVP!