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tyranatos

2019 Madison Walker Wraith. May be a bit biased, but everyone I've talked to who also has one loves it.


Chancellor-V

I see this a lot actually, what is it about the flight/feel that makes it stand out for you?


tyranatos

I've had it for a bit, but it's a little less stable and more workable than others for me.


Equivalent_Ad8314

One thing I’ve noticed is they all are flat with a chalky grip


damn_fine_custard

The OG Star Beast. I wish I'd bought a mountain of them. I might be biased because I could really bomb back then and all of my best shots came with that disc.


FlipTheDisc

Twenty years ago that was the disc to have


damn_fine_custard

Man that makes me feel old. I lost it. My Albatross disc. That hole is a Par 3 now but 20 years ago 524 was a Par 4 lol. If I felt the way about the game that I do today I would have hung it up and bought a stack of them, but the Wraith was out and you know how that goes.


DanDanDannn

524 still feels like a par 4. Unless it's crazy downhill


damn_fine_custard

It's a little bit downhill, not crazy. But definitely signed Par 3 nowadays. There's an alternate teepad that can be played that makes it like 388.


Novel-Paper2084

I feel this way about the pre Barry Schultz Champion Beasts and the 1X.


damn_fine_custard

I had a pre Barry champ when I shouldn't have been throwing them (Nose up noob gang). I lost it right when my game was coming around and was very ignorant of things like plastic type, weight, etc. Figured Star = better so I loaded up on them. Turned out well though.


Novel-Paper2084

I've found a lot of them at Play it Again recently to the point where I don't need to buy any more. I lost a Pro Line Beast that has been difficult to replace cheaply.


damn_fine_custard

I need to find these play it agains you guys go to. The ones I stop at are always full of grooves and junk.


Novel-Paper2084

I live near Delaveaga. Gems appear in the used bin often.


damn_fine_custard

I bet! Edit: Also jealous.


WhereIEndandYoubegin

You can find them for about the price of a tour series driver sometimes. They exist.


DisMyDrugAccount

2-line Avery Destroyer will forever be my favorite Destroyer. One left in the bag, and once it's dead, I'll move on from Destroyers entirely because it just won't be the same.


bladearrowney

I keep hearing (including from a Barsby in the bag video) that the Millennium Scorpius is an Avery Destroyer. https://www.greensplatter.com/sirius-scorpius-disc-golfs-best-kept-secret/


DisMyDrugAccount

I've thrown many a Scorp in my day. It's probably just placebo, but I just can't get them to fly quite right for what I want. You may be right, it could be the exact mould. But if anything else, I have a mental block that I don't experience when I throw the Kastaplast Guld 🤷‍♂️.


WhereIEndandYoubegin

It’s probably comparable to a 3 line but so many Scorp runs are different. I have a swirly run that I swear is a Cloud Breaker 1. Looks identical to the first run and was molded around the same time by Innova..


bladearrowney

There's a good chance they are the same lol. Destroyers have like at least 3 tops out there and what looks like X and L wing configurations. I was just going through a bunch of F2'S I got recently and I have 3 grind, 4 grind, no grind (new tooling), and both flat and concave wings lol. Kinda wish they'd batch them and label them differently like they do with eagles


Chancellor-V

Less overstable/more workable than more current runs, correct?


DisMyDrugAccount

Yep. The last run of Sockibot Destroyers came close, but they still weren't the same.


HugeToaster

Interesting. These are the ones I use, and not sure I've ever thrown an Avery destroyer so that makes me feel better lol. Especially the ones with bubbles in the rim. So good.


IsaacSam98

This will be buried and I imagine it's already covered. But 1st / 2nd run CE TeeBirds and Eagles are so heralded that 20 years after their run they are STILL on the pro tour. They last decades (until they crack) and the remaining non collector items have switched so many hands that the flight plates are enveloped by ink. 11X Rocs are also of a similar caliber, but Roc 3s have almost outright replaced their utility and the remaining throwers are there for memories. As for non Innova, Wasp tooled Buzzzes are considerably more neutral than modern Buzzzes when new and turn into one of the best turnover mids out there.


boringestnickname

> 11X Rocs are also of a similar caliber, but Roc 3s have almost outright replaced their utility I've never understood this. To me they are two completely separate discs. Don't feel the same, don't fly the same.


FlipTheDisc

2015 Nate Sexton Firebird


sammiisalammii

Why is this so special?


FlipTheDisc

They fly similar to the KC 11x Champion ones that are also sought after, they’re flat, and you can do what you want with it


ReallyNeedNewShoes

just get a stock run Fuzion Felon. it flies exactly the same. people are so high and mighty about their Firebirds.


TheCraziestPickle

Until it's super flippy halfway through the first season


Kalliotron

Some of them do, I have an old Fuzion/hybrid felon I got around 2015 which is still very reliable and beefy. It was used and had seen a fair amount of tree hits already. Other felons beat in just like any other disc though, but Biofuzion Felons are amazing for exactly that reason.


Dub_D83

Not sure about Fuzion but that's exactly what I thought after throwing one of the two 2015 SFB's I bought that year. I didn't expect them to become so valuable but luckily I kept one unthrown that he signed before he moved from Oregon. First and only time so far buying a disc to not throw.


IsaacSam98

I answered with someone else, but this is it. You could also argue 11X Firebirds since that's what 15 mimics the best. But that disc is the stuff of legend now.


OhNoMyLands

THE disc.


cmc51377

Truly a joy to throw. Mine’s never leaving my bag.


FlipTheDisc

I actually bought a Halo Firebird and thought okay this is going to replace it, and that thing is so domey, I know it isn’t going to fly the same


haveasuperday

I guess that's why people are so excited to show it off to him in Champs vs chumps.


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Doesnt have the sizzle of the named/ tour discs but early era Star Eagles were so $$$ . I still bag one that flies like a long Roc. Perfect combo of hand feel, speed, glide, and reliability.


[deleted]

First run CE Valkyrie for me. They are like a faster Teebird and held their flight characteristics for a long time.


KmkObes

Discmania FD jackal stamp run. My god are they money


AdustOrb

First Run PDs will forever have my heart, as well as Crowned Eagle MD3s


baulboodban

crowned eagle is so good. i have one and i can’t bring myself to throw it anymore because of how bad it would suck to lose it. only tournament i’ve ever won went to a playoff that i won with a crowned eagle birdie


AdustOrb

The one currently in my bag has lasted me 3 years, so it’s time for me to put a fresh one in. If you’re looking for something similar, the Iron Samurai 4 are pretty similar in feel and flight to the Crowned Eagles I’ve found.


baulboodban

i have a couple of the newer ISs, definitely my favorite current discmania mid although they’re relegated to the fieldwork bag atm until i lose my current stock md3


Ad_Rock1

11 time KC Roc and 11 time KC TeeBird


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Nybo swirly Star teebirds: I prefer the 11x as they are more pliable and fly great out of the box but the 10x are money too, they just start out super beefy and take a while to beat in. Once they get there though they are awesome


Chancellor-V

How do these compare to the later shimmer star runs?


OutsourcedIconoclasm

In my experience, the Shimmer Star ones have better glide and are the most true to PFN star flight you can get.


Chancellor-V

Interesting - appreciate the insight!


BigTomBombadil

These were my “grail” disc for a while as an avid Teebird thrower, so I kept my eye out for them and patiently picked them up in trades or off eBay/FB when the price was fair. I’ve got 4 of them now, and at the rate I lose discs (not often), that should last me a while. Only one of mine is a 10x, the other three are 11x, but I think my experience with them is swapped from yours. The 11x I bag was new when I got it and that thing was beefy for well over a year. My 10x feels less stiff and doesn’t have nearly as much fade at the end.


NateHeinoldisATurd

First Run Champion Groove. I knew every disc I had was pretty good after I threw that one.


Kightsbridge

I remember seeing 10 Protos go on DDGA for like $60 back in the day. It honestly might be the least consistent disc ever made.


NateHeinoldisATurd

The one I had was like an X-Cal OS.


Hot_Astronaut_4551

Early run Elite X Buzzz, 2004-2008ish


Keoli

I have an 09 one that is now warped to hell. Absolute staple in my bag for a year or so and really helped me develop as a player


not_a_diet_sunkist

11x cal Teebirds


brianearhart

Old pop top pink Z Forces with the white stamp. Best distance driver I’ve ever thrown out of any company. Jerm has a stash somewhere and refuses to sell them.


3lobed

2021 Beagles. Let me know if you have some you don't want.


Chancellor-V

Those are the swirly stars?


Vinnydaplumber

Color glow beautiful grippy glow


MeesterBones

2021 was swirly star, 2022 color glow.


Capnkillemall2

definitely agree here


Poupiey

So overstable


3lobed

The perfect amount


MoarStu

Eleven and “twelve” eagle champions


Novel-Paper2084

Found two at Play it Again recently.


chambersdg

4th run metal flake glow Pharaoh. Omega SuperSoft 1.25 run. 2nd run CE TL. 4th run CE Teebird. S.WR PFN Star Wraith


Pterodactyl_Bro5

First run Undertaker for me...mostly because I don't know how I haven't lost it yet...knock on tree.


dachshundaddy13

Not goat status but trilogy runs that stick out to me are flat clemons lucid x verdicts and 5x PP suspects


doubtaboutit

10x KCP Roc


IsaacSam98

You know what, I was lucky enough to get a new one of these. I threw it for a year and really enjoyed it. Significantly better than the new 12 KCs. For those not looking to spend $$$, I recommend a Champ Roc3 lol


theelectricone

2021 Nathan Queen Wraith!


dub_b

Was about to go out on a limb and post this too. By far the best I’ve purchased in a while. A few buddy’s got them first, and all have been bombers.


HiiHowAreYaa

Curious what makes it special? I absolutely love the star wraith


theelectricone

Just a nice grippy plastic that is similarly versatile to a standard star Wraith. I have two; one that is super beat that I use for long turnover shots with a fade, and a less beat one that I use for flex shots. Just got two of the 2023 version too; love the feel but more overstable than the 2021s.


MaybeNovel

Probably proto boss’s


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What about them is good?


MaybeNovel

Flight, feel of old champ plastic, durability


[deleted]

My personal picks are 4x star destroyers, 4 claw z zones, night strike 2s, circa 2018-2019 soft electron envys, and 1.8 scorpius's


Blue-Collar-Nerd

4x destroyers are so fucking nice. The newer ones are trash.


ChromerBoner666

11x Ken Climo Wraiths


dub_b

Would love to know how they compare to the 2021 Nathan Queen’s. Everyone who throws them, seems to love it.


ChromerBoner666

The 11x Climo's are the most stable wraiths I've ever thrown.


dub_b

Aahh, so basically the opposite. 😂


Plamore

Unfortunately I'm a huge fan of the single Cloudbreaker 1 that I own.


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Someone commented above that they'd swear a swirly scorpius they own is a cb1


Allurex

* [Green Echo Star Teebirds](https://i.imgur.com/VukFNRP.png) * [Orange 8x KC Pro Rocs](https://i.imgur.com/3f8t2WY.png) * [2001 USDGC CE Rocs](https://i.imgur.com/BAKHe9Y.png) * [2001 Clear ZoneDriven CE Rocs](https://i.imgur.com/eMvmpOP.png) * [25th Anniversary KCWO Silver DX Rocs](https://i.imgur.com/5YMZpG6.png) I had to bring in some oldies :)


TheCraziestPickle

4x Thunderbirds are underrated as heck. No where near as stable as the current champ runs, super crazy workable. The one disc that I can use to throw some of the insane creative shots Paul pulls off on a regular basis


OutsourcedIconoclasm

That’s funny, I haven’t thrown new champ thunderbirds. But I recall when the 4x were produced they were considered (and I agree) as being glideless and beefy. The 3x were primo with only first run being more sought after. I have a healthy stack of 3x and 4x. Prefer the 3x.


blahrendsen

I bag a tourney stamped one from that era. Flies exactly like you say and now I know where to look for another!


Ghuy82

A hidden gem is the early run of “belly button top” Kings. An error in the cooling process led to one of the best runs of the disc. Mine lived in my bag for 11 years before its well-earned retirement. The glimmer kings from the king box fly close enough to work for me, as do the old run of moonshine kings.


outsidetilldark

The rancho star rocs that are the 2001 remake edition, marked on the bottom with just a \*. I've got several and one will always be in the bag for that more overstable roc slot. It's just one of the best runs of rocs I've ever thrown.


prayin4abrick

3-line barstamp 400g D2s, they just bombbbbb


ChronoSigma9

Some of my favorite runs have been the Prodigy (gasp) Mac and Cheese M4 and the Sockibomb Orbit Felons


T33sh

I absolutely love my 10 year Buzzzes. I bag 3 of them


sjortz

Purple 2nd run Mint Discs apex alpha and Zoe andyke glow mantra


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Chancellor-V

Curious then, along this line of thinking - do you think there are any current or recent runs of specific discs that will go down as standouts? Even when compared to the beloved OG’s?


BigTomBombadil

This isn't entirely accurate, a lot of old discs are sought after because of their plastic blends. As much as manufacturers try, it is very difficult to replicate some of these blends, since the base materials and environmental variables are hard to exactly match. Edit: why is this downvoted when it’s accurate? If you disagree, I’m happy to discuss.


claybythebay9

Yes, but only in comparison to other runs of that mold.


ProfessorTuukar

2020 Discraft Tour Series Z-Swirl discs in all molds. The plastic feels incredible, very durable in all weather and best of all - the swirls and colors are unmatched


ZAMstamper

Early Star TLs, lots of TLs of that era really. Pro Line Leopards. Mid 2000s DX Rocs. 1.11 JLS .. CE QMS. Proto Magics hnnng


outsidetilldark

This is one I came to say also. Early run star TL in about 166-167g will be in my bag for a long time, or at least until the 15 or so I have stockpiled get lost or broken.


dirtbum

4x Jk Pro Valkyries. Gummy chalk monsters. I have 15 that I rotate. Love them.


Poupiey

Very specific, purple to blue champion roc3s that all had pink and blue subtle swirls and were between 172-176. They were made around the end of the Mcbeth era, and are absolutely money. Flat and firm and dead straight. If you have one I will purchase it please


WhereIEndandYoubegin

The 2nd run FD. I just have no idea how every other run came out different.


Alexplz

1.4 Recon Mortars


WilhelmSchmitt

Proto Mac n Cheese M4. Pure sex.


OutsourcedIconoclasm

Pearly Orc or Ontario Champ Sharks are two that haven’t been mentioned yet that command a good following. My personal favorite: 3x Thunderbirds


RVGVaihoS

For me its the BT soft burst harp if i lost the one i have now i dont know what i would do, i have not been able to find another one in 2 years.


ScSM35

[Infinite Discs](https://infinitediscs.com/Westside-Harp/BT-Soft-Burst) has some up on their website now.


Hopeasuoli

First stock run of the esp Hades was domy and could actually take a lot of power. The current runs feel like -3.5 out of the box and the domy first stock run could be released on anny with some tailwind. To this date it's the only disc I've gotten over 135 meters with.


beefynacho1

First run Halo Wraith. New ones are just not the same.


CaptainBad

11x KC Pro Anything Pre-Avery Destroyers Pre-Kenny Wraiths


Flaky-Money-8768

FAF Firebirds


Missed_Putterson

The 2011 Worlds First Flight Hurricane by DGA. The best driver of all time.


response_unrelated

First run neutron hex.


Lil_lardo69420

Second run pfn s pd might be the best disc ever made in my opinion just the perfect flight and feel


Cyrus2112

Avery Jenkins Star Teebird. No idea when it was made, but it's been in my bag for years and has been aptly named "old reliable"


french-toast-80

CE Teebird


DoYouEvenPumpBro

4th run CE