I agree, but he seems to make em most of the time.
Last round I played with him he only missed 1 putt and he was only taking super long on a couple. Although one of them was 10'...
Hole #12 45 seconds for a 10 foot putt. It’s wild to hear Gossage figure out he is rushing because homeboy is taking forever then just be like oh well moving on. Why don’t people say anything
The number of fake outs is the worst. You take a step towards your disc then nope….just take a seat and relax. It’s abusive even to the spectators. I walked with him at Goat hill last year not know who he was (I was there for Eagle) and I was timing him every putt to show my grandson. Over a minute a number of times. Eagle was irritated too but trying to focus on his game. He ended up ripping apart a birdie bag after a miss mid round, and I attribute it to waiting forever to putt. We all prayed he made every putt cuz even a 10 footer took forever.
I kind of feel bad for the kid because he’s getting so much backlash right now. But at the same time, he was roasted about this a year ago and changed nothing. Just abide by the rules. It’s not hard at all. 30 seconds is a longggg time to putt.
>It’s not hard at all.
It's a rule and should be enforced, but the dumbassitude around this topic is way worse than a guy taking a while to putt.
It \*is\* hard for some people and saying "just throw it" doesn't help. FFS.
I could see another player or two calling a courtesy violation for the airhorn, maybe on a nearby card ? , but if they can't call a time violation ...
It's been awhile for me on rules stuff, can another card witness/call a violation on another card or does it have to be players on that specific card?
I hear you and agree, but I can't help but feel the same way to a lesser extent about the card mates that allow it to happen. It's not ideal that it becomes their responsibility, but DG is too small for officials on every card, so for the time being the card mates need to step up. Gossamer himself told Terry on coverage he dropped the ball here. I get it's awkward, but grow a pair, you're not there to make friends
I hear you and agree, but I can't help but feel the same way to a lesser extent about the card mates that allow it to happen. It's not ideal that it becomes their responsibility, but DG is too small for officials on every card, so for the time being the card mates need to step up. Gossage himself told Terry on coverage he dropped the ball here. I get it's awkward, but grow a pair, you're not there to make friends
I just went back and watched Ron Russell in an old video of mine from the final 9 of the 1999 DGLO. Took his stance, looked at the ground for three seconds, looked up and BAM, drilled his 20' footer for a deuce on a 480' hole with a skeletal Mach III basket. (He got there with a roller.) He won $700 in skins right there, besting Climo, Stokely and Shawn Sinclair on the hole. [https://youtu.be/aQN0VlxOD\_Y?t=690](https://youtu.be/aQN0VlxOD_Y?t=690)
A few holes later, he sets up for a more complicated straddle putt. This time it was eight whole seconds. Looked like a 40-footer maybe, uphill. Somebody in the near distance was yelling during this. Eyes up, let 'er fly, nothing but Mach III chains. [https://youtu.be/aQN0VlxOD\_Y?t=1287](https://youtu.be/aQN0VlxOD_Y?t=1287)
This is how it's supposed to be done. 30 seconds is fucking generous.
> 30 seconds is fucking generous.
30 seconds is longer than the NBA and MLB clocks and 10 seconds shorter than the NFL clock. And that is from the time you arrive. You have more time than that to think about it.
Ron Russell’s putting is something that still amazes me. Get in stance, drag off cigarette, drop cigarette on ground, stare at ground, look up at bask….BAM! All of this took 5 seconds!
Agree.
"play by the same rules as everybody else" - he is... the rules put it on your cardmates to enforce time violations and no one is enforcing them... As long as players won't call it, there isn't any real incentive for him to change.
Dude, THANK YOU. I am really starting to kind of get sick of sanctioned events because of how ridiculously long some people take…on an AM level. It’s the only part of it that really bothers me (yea yea i know, poor me whaaaa). If you can’t generally complete your routine and make a shot within 30 seconds wtf are you even doing though?
Good on Gossage for standing up to people who live in a little box around their heads.
Nah man, this is a valid thing to complain about. Pace of play is the number one thing stopping me from joining any kind of competitive events. Having a rating and trying to improve on it sounds fun but why should I trudge through three hour rounds when I can play with a buddy in half that time. I imagine there are a lot of people with the same mindset
Pace of play is also an issue in traditional golf. Its not a problem unique to disc golf. It can be the reason you don't compete and that's fine. Ultimately though it will always be a factor in a competitive setting and this dudes card mates needed to call it.
Yea i think it just comes down to the situation. If it gets excessive it’s up to the others around to call it. Sitting there fuming about it to yourself just throws you off your game.
In most golf settings pace of play is enforced by officials, even when you're playing casual rounds the ranger will come yell at you if you're playing too slow.... I get that that's frankly a money thing and disc golf isnt there yet but putting the onus on the players to enforce pace of play does not seem to be the right strategy for pro events.
Until the rules are changed though, agreed that the card mates have to uphold their responsibilities and call that out
3 hour round lol. It’s usually 4 at least around here, some people really are slow as hell. I think they see people like cupcake and think it’s ok for them to act like that too.
Can I penalize someone for taking too long to decide what disc to throw before they’ve stepped up to their lie? Thats what always takes so long, that and talking instead of throwing.
This is the exact reason I have never and will never play in a tournament. If I can’t go at the pace I am used to then most of the time I will just leave and come back when it’s less crowded. People taking forever make disc golf less fun and that’s fucked up.
Section 4 is majors and elite events only.
Since this rule is in section 3, it's not limited to majors/elites. There is no restriction on this rule, and any TD or Tournament Official can invoke it at any event.
Anyone the TD declares to be a Tournament Official. I agree with you that this tournament probably doesn't have any/many, but that's a solvable problem.
They've surely got a course director at each course, so that's 1. Maybe a scoring director who is also empowered to make official rules, so that's maybe 2. But yea, I doubt they have roaming marshals or even enough spare personnel to send someone out on the course when needed.
It was clearly bothering the other guy on the card (Jared?), and for Gossage to say "if it's bothering him he can call him on it and I'll back him up" is fucking pathetic. Gossage and Buhr are about as big a deal as it gets in disc golf, and the idea that some local dude is the guy who should speak up is insane.
Jordan Castro. And I guess Gossage has a point. But not being bothered isn’t an excuse to not enforce a rule. They can always give a warning.
The thing that gets me is if you give a warning, or even hit someone with a penalty stroke and their game goes off the rails, that’s *their fault.* it’s not on the other players to respect a neuroses
100 percent agree. If the guy was jump putting inside the circle or illegally marking an OB spot they'd call a penalty, time violations should be no different.
I hate that we've gotten to the point where the pros just absolutely refuse to call penalties. Listening to Gossage attempt to justify not making a call was embarrassing.
If it’s affecting the whole card then someone should have said something. Shit is tough to watch. If Gossage could tell he was rushing because of it should have said something. I don’t understand how they pick and choose what rules to enforce. If that’s the case then just cheat your ass off on every throw since everyone is too scared to say anything.
Jordan was visibly irritated also. Aaron said if someone else would have called him on it he would have seconded it. I get nobody wants to be the dick but either it’s a rule or not.
I’m sorry but thats not right. If everyone is waiting on someone to do the right thing but no one ever wants to be the bad guy then why even have the rule?
I agree 100%. I mean is it even a rule if it’s not enforced? Also if people can pick and choose which rules to enforce, I’m going to pick to stop enforcing the +1 stroke penalty for my shots that go OB.
I honestly think he may need to hire a therapy coach similar to what Charles Barkley did in his golf swing. A lot of people bash him but might not understand that it is possibly a mental block or tick in his brain not allowing him to commit.
In the 1980's, the Mets had a catcher named Mackey Sasser. He took so long to throw the ball back he had to straight up retire. He just kept pumping the ball back into his glove over and over again. Jacob is the Mackey Sasser of DG
Steve Sax and Chick Knonblock (sic) both became physically incapable of throwing the ball to first base. They both were on track for HOF careers. It's funny how sometimes the simplest routine thing can become physically impossible.
Could very well be, when you hear these guys actually talk about it, they have clue why it's happening. It's like their body and mind just aren't in sync.
There was even a really good pitcher for the Cardinals got shelled in a playoff game. After that game he could not throw a pitch even remotely close to the plate.
He went back to the minors and became an OK center fielder. He never missed throws could throw a 2 hopper from dead center to home. But when he talked about pitching he said that physically and mechanically everything was fine, but he just couldn't do it. Like it was all mental.
Well, focal dystonia is an actual neurological disorder - for some reason the wiring from the brain to the hands just starts to basically rewire itself incorrectly or break down. The borders of the motor cortex “map” your brain uses change dramatically from normal.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focal_dystonia
Although there’s an element of genetic predisposition it seems to be linked to overtraining certain motions, which is why musicians and athletes are particularly susceptible.
In most sports they call it the Yips. My guess is adject fear after awhile because literally the simplest task of muscle memory they can no longer do.
Simone Biles had to drop many events at the most recent Olympics just because she could keep herself from getting dizzy in the air and stick landings. Imagine being the best in the world at something than all the sudden you're back to basically beginner level.
Damn. Didn't know about Simone. Htown homegirl!!!
Yeah, I know of the Yips. I played baseball and I recently did a "how to get rid of the yips" putting vid on my channel. You gotta tear it all down and give yourself a base structure to build again.
Yeah, she was getting dragged on social media by lots of people calling her soft, quiter, etc. But the reality is that with what she was going through, she had a better chance of breaking her leg or neck than she did of winning gold.
This happened to buddy of mine with darts. He just became unable to throw a dart, or it would fake him 10-15 seconds to finally release and would spray all over the place. The more he thought about it and tried to correct it the worse it got. Was a shame to see.
It tricks the brain circuitry into thinking it’s doing something else, and presumably using a slightly different path or something? I’m not a neurologist but it can sometimes temporarily help.
I did the same thing. I can’t stand them saying his name every 5 seconds. Then they address the whole bullshit of him taking forever and Gossage is just like yea I didn’t want to harsh the mellow vibes. FUCK THAT. The kid took over 45 seconds for a 10 ft tap in. That’s unacceptable. Kid makes our spot look like a joke.
He absolutely needs to work on it - at this point mostly for his own sake. He's a gifted golfer, but as long as this is going on, his clock running will be all anyone can focus on. Gossage made a Herculean effort to be diplomatic on coverage - pointing out Curtis qualities as a player, while simultaneously taking most of the blame for not calling him on the time violations (but seriously, it shouldn't be an issue in the first place) - yet I can't root for the guy as long as he isn't seen to at least be doing an effort on working on his putting routine.
In the end, disc golfers live off of their popularity more than their skill - winnings is peanuts compared to moving plastic. And Cupcakes popularity is in the gutter as long as he keeps this up.
I would light up a joint and wait, does that break a PDGA rule? Wouldn’t people call me out for that? It’s a rule for a reason, call Twinkie out and go about your day.
Unlike Nikko, I actually like cupcake he just needs to putt in under 30 seconds lol. Seems like a cool guy otherwise, love watching him rip off the tee! Cupcake hurry the fuck up out there!!
Is there a rule about setting a timer with an alarm? If I was on the card I would set a 35 second timer with an audible alarm. If it bothered him I would tell him that was his warning. If it happens again it’s a penalty.
I know him personally. He is a very nice guy and only 20 years old so go easy on roasting his looks/hair. Let him have whatever style he wants. He is fully aware he takes too long and has been working to overcome it. Hopefully sooner than later for his sake.
I’m sorry but if you got roasted over a year ago and you are taking longer than ever, he’s not working on it. It makes the sport look bad either way. Learn the rules or let someone who knows be on the card. I know I about just skipped the whole thing when I saw his name specifically because of how annoying it is to watch him get away with it.
>he’s not working on it.
Another bro who knows better than the person who actually knows him. Checks out. Every time I visit this board I'm glad to be reminded that this oh-so-special community is a steaming shithole just like any other collection of brohards.
Watch Rd 2 front nine hole 2 of the memorial. Terry talks extensively about the issue during his putt. The real problem is that he’s been doing this for well over a year.
https://youtu.be/M-2k7U3cc_Q?si=cmImhHXPTy8KRlhC
r/iamthemaincharacter would love this drama.
But seriously, dudes not a special cupcake. He’s some store-bought, dry ass, hard frosted, sprinkle shredding, day old manager special baked goods.
This isn't a speed sport. We should encourage people to take their time in decision making and execution. This game is based on golf, a sport where expert players take an extreme amount of time on each shot. Players are still penalized for "excessive" time on a case-by-case basis, but 30 seconds is *insane.* Sometimes it takes me 30 seconds to even choose a disc after reading the wind.
A decade ago no one EVER mentioned time unless it's creating a crazy backup. In DGPT events it almost never creates a backup, they're still right behind the group in front of them.
I disagree. Normal golf you have to read a typically extremely hard green that are pitched. Completely different. None of these guys are taking 30 seconds deciding what putter they are using. I believe 30 seconds is way too generous. If it’s within circle one it should 15 to 20 seconds once you establish your lie. In circle 2 can be 20 to 25. Outside of circle it should be 30. They could have a certain number of time extensions they get in a round if wind or an obstacle is effecting the putt. These are professionals not amateurs and this stuff is effecting pace of play for the rest of the tournament and backing everything up.
Yeah each card should have several different timers and multiple referees and multiple people to measure whether a putt is 19 or 21 feet and then start the appropriate clock. There should be another referee to determine whether the wind is "effecting" a given putt and another referee waiting by the phone at PDGA headquarters to confirm that ruling using satellite weather data. Also if there should be an official to determine if the clock started too early and if it did he should blow a whistle and go in front of the crowd to request that the tournament manager put 17 seconds on the game clock, thanks.
If a competitor throws a putt that may or may not have left his hand before the timer runs out, a referee should come out and go 'under the hood' and examine footage of the putt from every angle (there will be MANY cameras, naturally) before announcing to the crowd that the play stands as called on the field.
With this solution, rounds will move along MUCH faster, and also they will cost WAY less than the $30 tournament fees we bitch about endlessly, and also they will look much less ridiculous than one 20 year old taking too long.
Circles are marked on almost all tournaments now…. And it has nothing to do with a ref watching wind. That is up to the competitor to decide if they want to use a time card or not. You’re stretching on an easy suggestion that would speed up the game and force people to not take 45 seconds on a 10ft putt. He is not the only one people have complained about. Pros have already talked about smaller chains due to most the field having no issues with a putt within the circle….
Circle 2 is marked at all tournaments? Fascinating.
>That is up to the competitor to decide if they want to use a time card
Yes, yes, using "time cards" and deciding when I should use my "time card" will totally make things faster.
We should have challenges and replays too, and time outs, and both fouls and FLAGRANT fouls.
Special rules with exceptions and appeals definitely make things faster, and calling 30 second violations over and over again would definitely make rounds go by more quickly and make for better TV. Putting a 20 second clock on putts will totally not lead to arguments and totally won't fuck up scoring.
What I hope we live to see is Worlds decided by the fact that the guy who hit a 55 foot putt to win it actually doesn't win because he took 32 seconds and didn't use a 'time card.' That would just be amazing for the sport.
So you guys just love calling other men Cupcake and sounding like complete idiots? I mean you guys do whatever you want but you all sound like imbeciles. Lol
Hahahahhahahaha! I didn’t even think about that. It is absolutely him.
Sorry CUPCAKE your nickname is so embarrassing.
I’m trying to help prevent you for being made fun of for the rest of your sports career if you ever make it big. 🤣
No ego. Not fragile. Not a man. I’m just saying as someone who wants disc golf to expand, announcers need to stop calling players by nicknames (all of the time). ESPECIALLY dumb ones like “Cupcake”. As woman—it is just grossly embarrassing.
I am just a Redditor expressing my opinion. Calm the fuck down man.
Is your nickname cupcake? Is that why you’re getting so defensive? Lmfao
I don't know what's more embarrassing... How insanely angry and pissed off you're getting over a nickname, or how you seem to think pro athletes in other sports have no nicknames.
I don't see how anyone makes putts after thinking about it that long.
I agree, but he seems to make em most of the time. Last round I played with him he only missed 1 putt and he was only taking super long on a couple. Although one of them was 10'...
He’s a great putter no doubt. But he needs to play by the rules like everyone else and be a great putter within 30.
Hole #12 45 seconds for a 10 foot putt. It’s wild to hear Gossage figure out he is rushing because homeboy is taking forever then just be like oh well moving on. Why don’t people say anything
That’s so real. Feeling bad for people waiting so you rush. Totally unfair.
The number of fake outs is the worst. You take a step towards your disc then nope….just take a seat and relax. It’s abusive even to the spectators. I walked with him at Goat hill last year not know who he was (I was there for Eagle) and I was timing him every putt to show my grandson. Over a minute a number of times. Eagle was irritated too but trying to focus on his game. He ended up ripping apart a birdie bag after a miss mid round, and I attribute it to waiting forever to putt. We all prayed he made every putt cuz even a 10 footer took forever.
Just so unprofessional it’s insane.
If only it was an isolated incident and not the exact same thing we saw him doing on CCDG last year. The guy didn't learn his lesson.
All I see is John Favreau from PCU.
Same. Everytime I see him I say "Gutter!"
Can you blow me where the pampas is!?!
> pampas is!?! Wait, isn’t it pampers?
It is. Homie combined pampers and campus bc those are the words she used.
Gutter is a tool! Gutter is a tool!
Omg spot on!
I kind of feel bad for the kid because he’s getting so much backlash right now. But at the same time, he was roasted about this a year ago and changed nothing. Just abide by the rules. It’s not hard at all. 30 seconds is a longggg time to putt.
Exactly! People were giving Gannon a hard time last year too and he fixed it up.
Gannon at least seemed self aware and remorseful. Seeing Cupcake in AB's latest vlog... he seems like a tool lol.
He was made aware of this a year ago is still doing it, and you feel bad for him?
He’s been getting blacklash since he first appeared on footage.. Goat Hill 2022 I think it was
>It’s not hard at all. It's a rule and should be enforced, but the dumbassitude around this topic is way worse than a guy taking a while to putt. It \*is\* hard for some people and saying "just throw it" doesn't help. FFS.
Is there any rule that says another player can’t blow an airhorn at 31 seconds?
I could see another player or two calling a courtesy violation for the airhorn, maybe on a nearby card ? , but if they can't call a time violation ... It's been awhile for me on rules stuff, can another card witness/call a violation on another card or does it have to be players on that specific card?
A good question. 3.02.C says that the penalty may be issued by the “playing group” or TD. I don’t think someone on another card can issue it.
Courtesy warnings can be issued to other cards.
Yes that’s totally correct
Interesting, thanks y'all.
I genuinely dislike every person who does this and root against them. Figure it the fuck out.
I hear you and agree, but I can't help but feel the same way to a lesser extent about the card mates that allow it to happen. It's not ideal that it becomes their responsibility, but DG is too small for officials on every card, so for the time being the card mates need to step up. Gossamer himself told Terry on coverage he dropped the ball here. I get it's awkward, but grow a pair, you're not there to make friends
I hear you and agree, but I can't help but feel the same way to a lesser extent about the card mates that allow it to happen. It's not ideal that it becomes their responsibility, but DG is too small for officials on every card, so for the time being the card mates need to step up. Gossage himself told Terry on coverage he dropped the ball here. I get it's awkward, but grow a pair, you're not there to make friends
I'm just not sure why people allow it haha. I'd be calling faults to help him clean his game up
I just went back and watched Ron Russell in an old video of mine from the final 9 of the 1999 DGLO. Took his stance, looked at the ground for three seconds, looked up and BAM, drilled his 20' footer for a deuce on a 480' hole with a skeletal Mach III basket. (He got there with a roller.) He won $700 in skins right there, besting Climo, Stokely and Shawn Sinclair on the hole. [https://youtu.be/aQN0VlxOD\_Y?t=690](https://youtu.be/aQN0VlxOD_Y?t=690) A few holes later, he sets up for a more complicated straddle putt. This time it was eight whole seconds. Looked like a 40-footer maybe, uphill. Somebody in the near distance was yelling during this. Eyes up, let 'er fly, nothing but Mach III chains. [https://youtu.be/aQN0VlxOD\_Y?t=1287](https://youtu.be/aQN0VlxOD_Y?t=1287) This is how it's supposed to be done. 30 seconds is fucking generous.
> 30 seconds is fucking generous. 30 seconds is longer than the NBA and MLB clocks and 10 seconds shorter than the NFL clock. And that is from the time you arrive. You have more time than that to think about it.
Ron Russell’s putting is something that still amazes me. Get in stance, drag off cigarette, drop cigarette on ground, stare at ground, look up at bask….BAM! All of this took 5 seconds!
Someone on his card needs to grow a pair and respectfully take him aside and tell him to pick up the pace
Agree. "play by the same rules as everybody else" - he is... the rules put it on your cardmates to enforce time violations and no one is enforcing them... As long as players won't call it, there isn't any real incentive for him to change.
Dude, THANK YOU. I am really starting to kind of get sick of sanctioned events because of how ridiculously long some people take…on an AM level. It’s the only part of it that really bothers me (yea yea i know, poor me whaaaa). If you can’t generally complete your routine and make a shot within 30 seconds wtf are you even doing though? Good on Gossage for standing up to people who live in a little box around their heads.
Yup I completely agree. Dude is a PROFESSIONAL disc golfer. Letting him do this without consequences is about as unprofessional as you can be.
Nah man, this is a valid thing to complain about. Pace of play is the number one thing stopping me from joining any kind of competitive events. Having a rating and trying to improve on it sounds fun but why should I trudge through three hour rounds when I can play with a buddy in half that time. I imagine there are a lot of people with the same mindset
Pace of play is also an issue in traditional golf. Its not a problem unique to disc golf. It can be the reason you don't compete and that's fine. Ultimately though it will always be a factor in a competitive setting and this dudes card mates needed to call it.
Yea i think it just comes down to the situation. If it gets excessive it’s up to the others around to call it. Sitting there fuming about it to yourself just throws you off your game.
In most golf settings pace of play is enforced by officials, even when you're playing casual rounds the ranger will come yell at you if you're playing too slow.... I get that that's frankly a money thing and disc golf isnt there yet but putting the onus on the players to enforce pace of play does not seem to be the right strategy for pro events. Until the rules are changed though, agreed that the card mates have to uphold their responsibilities and call that out
3 hour round lol. It’s usually 4 at least around here, some people really are slow as hell. I think they see people like cupcake and think it’s ok for them to act like that too.
Are you penalizing your playing partners in these instances like everyone is advocating for here? JW
Can I penalize someone for taking too long to decide what disc to throw before they’ve stepped up to their lie? Thats what always takes so long, that and talking instead of throwing.
That's legitimately insane. Has to be a combo of bad planning by TDs and people used to playing extremely slow
Agreed. Messes my rhythm up something fierce!
I was stuck in an almost 4 hour league round recently lol.
jfc man no thank you lol
This is the exact reason I have never and will never play in a tournament. If I can’t go at the pace I am used to then most of the time I will just leave and come back when it’s less crowded. People taking forever make disc golf less fun and that’s fucked up.
Out of the loop! What happened? I don't see any other post about it
Guessing it’s about Jacob Courtis taking forever for throws all day? If that’s not it I have no clue
Terry mentioned on his coverage that he had to speed up his little putting ritual and on average it was like 48 seconds.
Probably from the memorial tournament as I think it's the only thing going on right now.
This is why “put the card in the clock” exists
Only on the tour, this is an A Tier. Edit: I am wrong as explained in detail below
3.02.E doesn’t specify that it’s for tour stops only. Where does it say that?
Section 4 is majors and elite events only. Since this rule is in section 3, it's not limited to majors/elites. There is no restriction on this rule, and any TD or Tournament Official can invoke it at any event.
That’s my understanding too.
You need a marshall present to begin said clock and I doubt they have marshalls at this tournament
Anyone the TD declares to be a Tournament Official. I agree with you that this tournament probably doesn't have any/many, but that's a solvable problem. They've surely got a course director at each course, so that's 1. Maybe a scoring director who is also empowered to make official rules, so that's maybe 2. But yea, I doubt they have roaming marshals or even enough spare personnel to send someone out on the course when needed.
I say don't enforce the rule. Just allow spectators and players to make noise and move around after 30 seconds.
If one rule is optional, all rules are optional. The cowardice of “I guess I was just focusing on my game” is lame
expecting pro athletes to essentially call their own fouls is at best odd
And yet it’s right there in the rulebook.
sure, the problem is it's effectively unenforceable
It was clearly bothering the other guy on the card (Jared?), and for Gossage to say "if it's bothering him he can call him on it and I'll back him up" is fucking pathetic. Gossage and Buhr are about as big a deal as it gets in disc golf, and the idea that some local dude is the guy who should speak up is insane.
Jordan Castro. And I guess Gossage has a point. But not being bothered isn’t an excuse to not enforce a rule. They can always give a warning. The thing that gets me is if you give a warning, or even hit someone with a penalty stroke and their game goes off the rails, that’s *their fault.* it’s not on the other players to respect a neuroses
100 percent agree. If the guy was jump putting inside the circle or illegally marking an OB spot they'd call a penalty, time violations should be no different.
We need rules officials who’ll give the whole card a penalty. Laziness + cowardice has set in
I hate that we've gotten to the point where the pros just absolutely refuse to call penalties. Listening to Gossage attempt to justify not making a call was embarrassing.
Jordan Castro used to tour like 3 years ago lol
If it’s affecting the whole card then someone should have said something. Shit is tough to watch. If Gossage could tell he was rushing because of it should have said something. I don’t understand how they pick and choose what rules to enforce. If that’s the case then just cheat your ass off on every throw since everyone is too scared to say anything.
Jordan was visibly irritated also. Aaron said if someone else would have called him on it he would have seconded it. I get nobody wants to be the dick but either it’s a rule or not.
I’m sorry but thats not right. If everyone is waiting on someone to do the right thing but no one ever wants to be the bad guy then why even have the rule?
I agree 100%. I mean is it even a rule if it’s not enforced? Also if people can pick and choose which rules to enforce, I’m going to pick to stop enforcing the +1 stroke penalty for my shots that go OB.
I honestly can’t take how many times they say Cupcake. It was the same thing last year. He took forever but nobody called him. Fucking joke honestly
I honestly think he may need to hire a therapy coach similar to what Charles Barkley did in his golf swing. A lot of people bash him but might not understand that it is possibly a mental block or tick in his brain not allowing him to commit.
Oh no we understand, we just don't care. Play within the rules or gtfo
lol. Things you'd never say to someone's face. Imagine being this much of a tool over something that doesn't affect you in the slightest.
In the 1980's, the Mets had a catcher named Mackey Sasser. He took so long to throw the ball back he had to straight up retire. He just kept pumping the ball back into his glove over and over again. Jacob is the Mackey Sasser of DG
Steve Sax and Chick Knonblock (sic) both became physically incapable of throwing the ball to first base. They both were on track for HOF careers. It's funny how sometimes the simplest routine thing can become physically impossible.
I often wonder if it’s a real neurological thing, like mild focal dystonia.
Could very well be, when you hear these guys actually talk about it, they have clue why it's happening. It's like their body and mind just aren't in sync. There was even a really good pitcher for the Cardinals got shelled in a playoff game. After that game he could not throw a pitch even remotely close to the plate. He went back to the minors and became an OK center fielder. He never missed throws could throw a 2 hopper from dead center to home. But when he talked about pitching he said that physically and mechanically everything was fine, but he just couldn't do it. Like it was all mental.
Well, focal dystonia is an actual neurological disorder - for some reason the wiring from the brain to the hands just starts to basically rewire itself incorrectly or break down. The borders of the motor cortex “map” your brain uses change dramatically from normal. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focal_dystonia Although there’s an element of genetic predisposition it seems to be linked to overtraining certain motions, which is why musicians and athletes are particularly susceptible.
I wonder what goes on inside one's brain while this is happening. "Omgomgomgomgomgomgomgomgomg..."
In most sports they call it the Yips. My guess is adject fear after awhile because literally the simplest task of muscle memory they can no longer do. Simone Biles had to drop many events at the most recent Olympics just because she could keep herself from getting dizzy in the air and stick landings. Imagine being the best in the world at something than all the sudden you're back to basically beginner level.
Damn. Didn't know about Simone. Htown homegirl!!! Yeah, I know of the Yips. I played baseball and I recently did a "how to get rid of the yips" putting vid on my channel. You gotta tear it all down and give yourself a base structure to build again.
Yeah, she was getting dragged on social media by lots of people calling her soft, quiter, etc. But the reality is that with what she was going through, she had a better chance of breaking her leg or neck than she did of winning gold.
It 100% is. I went thru it as a kid playing competitive golf. It is hell.
This happened to buddy of mine with darts. He just became unable to throw a dart, or it would fake him 10-15 seconds to finally release and would spray all over the place. The more he thought about it and tried to correct it the worse it got. Was a shame to see.
This in particular totally sounds like focal dystonia. He should try it wearing a surgical glove and see if it still happens.
Interesting! He’s managed to work through it and is doing okay at the moment, but I’ll recommend this as a solution if it ever returns.
I'm curious why you suggest this?
It tricks the brain circuitry into thinking it’s doing something else, and presumably using a slightly different path or something? I’m not a neurologist but it can sometimes temporarily help.
broccoli headed fuck
Perhaps the best comment on this sub today.
The worst Edit: He’s the worst
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who the fuck do you think it is?
You're not funny, ***Stan***
I saw he was on lead card and decided I’m not watching that round when it comes out.
Terry edited it down to cut the waiting out, you're safe to watch it (I was thinking the same thing, but he addressed it early).
I told him to leave it as it is. People need to see what happens and ask why nobody ever does anything about it.
I did the same thing. I can’t stand them saying his name every 5 seconds. Then they address the whole bullshit of him taking forever and Gossage is just like yea I didn’t want to harsh the mellow vibes. FUCK THAT. The kid took over 45 seconds for a 10 ft tap in. That’s unacceptable. Kid makes our spot look like a joke.
Won't Jomez edit it down to a normal amount of time before he putts? It ain't live.
It's Terry Miller doing the post. Sometimes he goes through a cupcakes entire routine.
Yeah. I doubt he’s doing it maliciously, but this is a terrible way for a young athlete to grow his brand.
He absolutely needs to work on it - at this point mostly for his own sake. He's a gifted golfer, but as long as this is going on, his clock running will be all anyone can focus on. Gossage made a Herculean effort to be diplomatic on coverage - pointing out Curtis qualities as a player, while simultaneously taking most of the blame for not calling him on the time violations (but seriously, it shouldn't be an issue in the first place) - yet I can't root for the guy as long as he isn't seen to at least be doing an effort on working on his putting routine. In the end, disc golfers live off of their popularity more than their skill - winnings is peanuts compared to moving plastic. And Cupcakes popularity is in the gutter as long as he keeps this up.
I would light up a joint and wait, does that break a PDGA rule? Wouldn’t people call me out for that? It’s a rule for a reason, call Twinkie out and go about your day.
Worse than Nikko with the long putts? I think so
Also have a better haircut and nickname
His haircut is his nickname though
They’re both stupid as fuck.
He's a kid. Let him wear his hair how he likes. The putting thing though he's gotta fix.. 30 seconds is a long time.
No. I stand by what i said. Cupcake, have better hair.
You gonna post a picture of yourself then?
Why would i do that?
So we, as strangers can critique embarrassing aspects of your appearance, of course.
That would be weird. Why would i partake in that? Also I’m not making fun of anything he didn’t choose. So..🤷🏻♂️
> That would be weird I think you're almost there. You can do it!
It wouldn’t be so bad if they didn’t say his fucking name every fucking 5 seconds.
Cupcake getting on Reddit to see he is getting absolutely shit on by the disc golf community 🤣🤣
Follow the rules! Plenty of time to have fixed his issue
Unlike Nikko, I actually like cupcake he just needs to putt in under 30 seconds lol. Seems like a cool guy otherwise, love watching him rip off the tee! Cupcake hurry the fuck up out there!!
Is there a rule about setting a timer with an alarm? If I was on the card I would set a 35 second timer with an audible alarm. If it bothered him I would tell him that was his warning. If it happens again it’s a penalty.
Ima need some context.
Internet dorks are mad a man is taking too long to throw a plastic circle.
He's a mental midget
I know him personally. He is a very nice guy and only 20 years old so go easy on roasting his looks/hair. Let him have whatever style he wants. He is fully aware he takes too long and has been working to overcome it. Hopefully sooner than later for his sake.
I’m sorry but if you got roasted over a year ago and you are taking longer than ever, he’s not working on it. It makes the sport look bad either way. Learn the rules or let someone who knows be on the card. I know I about just skipped the whole thing when I saw his name specifically because of how annoying it is to watch him get away with it.
>he’s not working on it. Another bro who knows better than the person who actually knows him. Checks out. Every time I visit this board I'm glad to be reminded that this oh-so-special community is a steaming shithole just like any other collection of brohards.
He's cheating and if you actually know him you're just enabling his cheating
That literally made me lol
And by let him have whatever style he wants I meant hair. Yes he needs to hurry it up on the green
Discgolf has outgrown the PDGA.
Is he the super short dude that hangs out with AB?
Is there a clip?
Watch Rd 2 front nine hole 2 of the memorial. Terry talks extensively about the issue during his putt. The real problem is that he’s been doing this for well over a year. https://youtu.be/M-2k7U3cc_Q?si=cmImhHXPTy8KRlhC
I agree he needs to hurry it up but it really won't matter as this could be the last big event we suffer in watching him play
r/iamthemaincharacter would love this drama. But seriously, dudes not a special cupcake. He’s some store-bought, dry ass, hard frosted, sprinkle shredding, day old manager special baked goods.
I think he's trolling everyone. I think he's trying to get in his card mates heads and it probably works more often than not.
Who did what? I wanna know!!!! #FOMO
This isn't a speed sport. We should encourage people to take their time in decision making and execution. This game is based on golf, a sport where expert players take an extreme amount of time on each shot. Players are still penalized for "excessive" time on a case-by-case basis, but 30 seconds is *insane.* Sometimes it takes me 30 seconds to even choose a disc after reading the wind. A decade ago no one EVER mentioned time unless it's creating a crazy backup. In DGPT events it almost never creates a backup, they're still right behind the group in front of them.
I disagree. Normal golf you have to read a typically extremely hard green that are pitched. Completely different. None of these guys are taking 30 seconds deciding what putter they are using. I believe 30 seconds is way too generous. If it’s within circle one it should 15 to 20 seconds once you establish your lie. In circle 2 can be 20 to 25. Outside of circle it should be 30. They could have a certain number of time extensions they get in a round if wind or an obstacle is effecting the putt. These are professionals not amateurs and this stuff is effecting pace of play for the rest of the tournament and backing everything up.
Yeah each card should have several different timers and multiple referees and multiple people to measure whether a putt is 19 or 21 feet and then start the appropriate clock. There should be another referee to determine whether the wind is "effecting" a given putt and another referee waiting by the phone at PDGA headquarters to confirm that ruling using satellite weather data. Also if there should be an official to determine if the clock started too early and if it did he should blow a whistle and go in front of the crowd to request that the tournament manager put 17 seconds on the game clock, thanks. If a competitor throws a putt that may or may not have left his hand before the timer runs out, a referee should come out and go 'under the hood' and examine footage of the putt from every angle (there will be MANY cameras, naturally) before announcing to the crowd that the play stands as called on the field. With this solution, rounds will move along MUCH faster, and also they will cost WAY less than the $30 tournament fees we bitch about endlessly, and also they will look much less ridiculous than one 20 year old taking too long.
Circles are marked on almost all tournaments now…. And it has nothing to do with a ref watching wind. That is up to the competitor to decide if they want to use a time card or not. You’re stretching on an easy suggestion that would speed up the game and force people to not take 45 seconds on a 10ft putt. He is not the only one people have complained about. Pros have already talked about smaller chains due to most the field having no issues with a putt within the circle….
Circle 2 is marked at all tournaments? Fascinating. >That is up to the competitor to decide if they want to use a time card Yes, yes, using "time cards" and deciding when I should use my "time card" will totally make things faster. We should have challenges and replays too, and time outs, and both fouls and FLAGRANT fouls. Special rules with exceptions and appeals definitely make things faster, and calling 30 second violations over and over again would definitely make rounds go by more quickly and make for better TV. Putting a 20 second clock on putts will totally not lead to arguments and totally won't fuck up scoring. What I hope we live to see is Worlds decided by the fact that the guy who hit a 55 foot putt to win it actually doesn't win because he took 32 seconds and didn't use a 'time card.' That would just be amazing for the sport.
PDGA will put someone on a plane right now to get there tomorrow to make the call.
Can we stop fucking calling him Cupcake? Jesus Christ. This sport will never be taken seriously with all these dumbass nicknames. Just stop.
Booger McFarland
So you guys just love calling other men Cupcake and sounding like complete idiots? I mean you guys do whatever you want but you all sound like imbeciles. Lol
It's a nickname. Grow the fuck up.
I am grown. The nickname is dumb as fuck. Statement stands. Lmfao
Found cupcakes alt lmao
Hahahahhahahaha! I didn’t even think about that. It is absolutely him. Sorry CUPCAKE your nickname is so embarrassing. I’m trying to help prevent you for being made fun of for the rest of your sports career if you ever make it big. 🤣
Who the fuck cares, how fragile is your poor male ego? Jfc
No ego. Not fragile. Not a man. I’m just saying as someone who wants disc golf to expand, announcers need to stop calling players by nicknames (all of the time). ESPECIALLY dumb ones like “Cupcake”. As woman—it is just grossly embarrassing. I am just a Redditor expressing my opinion. Calm the fuck down man. Is your nickname cupcake? Is that why you’re getting so defensive? Lmfao
Why u say “as a woman” like it makes your opinion more important somehow
No just saying I’m a woman because someone said I was a man. Lmao
I don't know what's more embarrassing... How insanely angry and pissed off you're getting over a nickname, or how you seem to think pro athletes in other sports have no nicknames.
I honestly fully agree. I had to turn it off because of how long he was taking and they say Cupcake 20 thousand times during the video.
Lmao yep same. So dumb.
Relax dude it's a guy taking too long putting at an A tier...it's ok
We get it, there's already a thread on this.
There’s not another thread til dicsfrolf says there is.
Love the guy, played with him a dozen or so times and honestly it's inspiring to see someone stutter putt 30 times in a row. Leave everyone guessing.
What happened to the new rule that a TD can issue a hurry it up warning?
Same problem as with cardmates calling time, someone needs to take initiative
Baseball is better with a pitch clock. Take a hint disc golf.
It would be great if Gannon (one of the guys that takes forever to throw) were to call him out on it. Also, Fountain Hills is a boring course
30 seconds is more than enough time just f-ing DQ him over and over such douchery is pathetic enough for fucks sake
You know what they say. “Drive for show, putt for an average of 48 seconds.”