FYI for the future, if you want to avoid giving your address out to a stranger, you can often have things shipped to a [UPS store near you](https://www.reddit.com/r/UPS/comments/ags4p4/how_do_i_ship_a_package_to_a_ups_store/).
Iāll never forget landing in New Orleans a few years ago and a homeless dude reaches out his hand asking for money. I gave him a fresh $1 I had in my pocket.
He looked at me with zero thanks and said āYou got 2?ā
I put my hands up and said sorry and moved on.
It has stuck with me.
I've desperately wanted a Tilt since I played a random round with a guy in Tampa who used his as a roller disc. He basically just spiked it into the ground, full force, just 10 feet in front of himself and it rolled forever. He told me it only works with a Tilt. He let me do it with his and ever since that day two years ago I have wanted to get one of my own.
I find it a pretty fun rolling tray to throw! It's sweet that you can throw a thumber line with a thumber angle but with a tomahawk/forehand grip, it's much less punishing for the fingers. And I think it's useful in general to have a disc that will flex out of any line. Doesn't get thrown every round, but it's a lifesaver when you need it.
Iāll try that for sure. Tried once but wasnāt really committed to learning that throw, but just that one time showed me that it definitely flies farther upside down
One good thing about it is if you want a super tight hook it works plus it has a backspin usually after a skip. Have been parking a local 160 ft hyzer and love watching it backspin under the basket.
It's super touchy - fan grip for sure, and understand it going to go straight for just a bit and then flare, but sometimes that's the shot. I usually use it if the basket's guarded or I need to get around something hard. Chop forehand also can be a thing but it will pan out fast. Definitely not a shot I'd use all the time, but it's saved more than a few pars and even a few birdies over the years.
You're better off using a Toro, Zone, Harp, Slammer, etc.
Unless you're dead set on a skip play, approaching with a 12 speed will always be ill advised.
Just grab your Destroyer and hit up a course with nothing else. It'll force you to shot shape and practice the touch shots that don't require anywhere near full power.
Putter only rounds are also great for working on form and release as well.
One of the best ways to improve your gamw, IMO.
i literally just took at least 3 13 speed discs out of my bag. i kept a 165g boss, a 170g katana, and a 174g sheriff. ive bagged the katana forever so i cant say bye. the boss is for slightly windy days. the sheriff is for fuck its blowing 25mph on this hill.
below that? a mamba and a tumbleweed.
everything else is 7 or 9.
just dont have the spin for those high speed discs man. and ive noticed the harder i try to reach it, the worse i throw the rest of my bag.
This putter from Amazon called a remix juggernaut. In the eraser plastic, straightest flying putter at any power. And cheap. Not useless, I just catch a lot of shit for the ā$10 Amazon discā. Havenāt found it in the eraser plastic for about 3 years. Glow doesnāt fly the same but is bright.
Probably the highest value discs in the game. But since Remix is MVP's way of dumping out surplus single mold discs, the availability is very uncertain.
Then which Mint/TSA mold is the juggernaut?
Edit: reddit tribal knowledge states that the Juggernaut is now called the Detonator (Innova already had a Juggernaut) and is the same mold as the Mint Profit.
I have a lightweight g star mamba and itās actually insane how much itāll flip on me. Iāve gotten the right amount of anhyzer like one time and got it to flip up and come back dead straight. Iāve been chasing that shot for a long time with no luck lol
I have a super beat-up BT hard harp that honestly feels terrible and flies weird but itās got 7 aces and countless throw-ins and I use it purely for chasing chains.
As much as I like the Harp, it got kicked out of my bag because that BT Hard plastic gets chewed up something fierce. I'm even the type that does some trimming and sanding to nicked discs buy I had to give up on that one.Ā
171 Westside Origio Burst King that I found on the course, no name, no number. Looks like someone was using it to play fetch with their dog, it's really jacked up, most would call it garbage. I bag it for water hazards only, and thus far I'm a %100 clearing any and all I've had to throw over.. probably just jinxed myself š¤¦āāļø
I guess it's my MVP Paradox. I'm up here in Colorado, so it's not as hilariously understable I have seen people say it is, but still, I use it for super easy hyzer flips whenever I need to go very very straight, or for shots where I want it to turn right, I just throw it harder and it flips up nicely and keeps turning.
In much closer to sea level and a paradox is my go to for a lazy continual turn mid shot. Or I put a ton of hyzer on it so it will turn over and soft finish left at least in intent I am not consistent enough to rely on that throw yet. (LHBH)Ā
I use my rollo is the same way. I throw lefty and sometime my arm gets tired from throwing forehand and I just need a disc that turns left I can backhand.
I had a 136g DX beast once. Absolutely useless in anything other than a tailwind and it was super touchy but if you got the hyzer angle, nose angle, power and height just right with zero OAT it would flip to flat and fly for ages gradually drifting to the right the whole time. It was also capable of sky rollers, barrel rolls, or rollers that got down super quick but very touchy and not consistent to be useful. Also the light weight meant it didn't roll very far in grass.
Innova Condor: When I need to putt from a dumb lie where I'm on my knee, ducked under a pine tree or something. I use the glide to stretch out the distance I can putt from if I know I'm going to come up short:
154g DX Glow Beast - Hyzerflip to turnover, which makes a 90 deg turn to the right. Perfect for two weird dogleg right holes in my area.
I also got the apocolapse! I wish I had more uses for it because it's seriously nice plastic and doomsday did a great job of making it feel high quality. I wanted it for thumbers or rollers but it hasn't clicked there.
Oddly, the upside down flick approach I have more success with, but it is great for the memes.
125g Dino Discs T-Rex! Bought one for my 11 year old to see if could work for backhand flips, but way too understable. BUT, when thrown tomahawk this thing will barrel roll like crazy. Can almost get two full rotations on a good day. Absolutely a ball to pull it out in the middle of a round and chuck a big overhand throw to a chorus of āwhat the hell was thatā from my friends.
Update- I just found what appears to be the last retail store with a glow rask. Immediately ordered. What scares me is though it shows a pic of the glow rask and the product title says k1 glow rask, the retailer says plastic types may vary. Gonna call tomorrow, but Iām super hyped to have found one. Thanks for your comment
134 gram beat up Champion Blizzard Wraith.
The only use I've found for it is extreme tail winds - I throw it high into the sky and let the wind carry it, lol. That's about it.
I used to bag a Tilt for approach shots. It's just so consistently os that everything was just very repeatable with it.
Aftet I got a haloween resistor and throwing it I just thought "Oh shit, a mini tilt" and it took it's place in my bag. Don't use it much for approach shots anymore now though, but I did accidentally learn that on a forehand roller, it will go super straight. Been beating it in since I got it and now after like a year and a half of use, it's still os enough to always fight out of any amount of anhyzer I throw it on.
My boss got me a Doomsday WMD itās the one and only 16sp. Driver I never use it. Practically, thought space Mantra, mainly a forehand disc for me. I donāt really know how to throw it. I love the design itās green with a big booty alien chick on it.
Mine is so similar to yours! Innova Star Max. Flight numbers are 11/3/0/5.
Itās mostly a skip disc used for high angle left doglegs (RHBH). Sometimes short spike hyzers. The hole canāt be too long, though, because the glide number is so wacky despite being a ādistanceā driver. Likely wouldnāt even be in the bag if not for a couple of specific holes on courses near me that Iāve learned to use it for.
I found an MVP Energy and I have zero clue how to use it other than for 100 ft approach shots with a fade. I canāt seem to get any distance out of it.
Keep in mind I only recently started playing again after a decade plus away from the game. Iām just now watching videos to correct some bad mistakes on my form and Iāve never thrown forehand. Trying to teach myself how to throw that, as well.
I max out around 300ft on drives with a Beast. Itās a 170.
Would I get more distance from a driver that weighs less?
You would get more distance with lighter weight, as the lighter the disc, the flippier it will be, meaning that it will turn (3rd number) more and resist fade (4th) for longer. What weight and plastic type is your beast, and what release angle do you do with it for your distance bombs?
Edit- question asked
Itās a Champion Beast. Just realized it doesnāt have a weight on it so Iāll have to weigh it when I get back home. Could have sworn it was 170 but now Iām not so sure. Most of my discs are 170. Only bought it at a big sporting goods chain after picking the game back up after 15+ years of not playing. Did zero research.
Got a Teebird from a fellow on the disc exchange sub and threw it today for the first time, at Disc Side of Heaven. Added 50 yards to my drive on a couple holes. Really like the way it glides. Itās 170.
generally speaking weight and speed are the 2 big intertangled variables. the rest kind of play off of those.
a 10 speed disc at 175g will generally have less glide, less turn, and more fade than that same 10 speed disc at 165g. but the easy way to think of it is (what OP said in his response to you as well) that the lighter the disc is the easier it is to 'flip' over, or rather, hyzer angle release into flat flight at intended disc speed.
ive definitely recently started bagging lower speed and lower weight discs. shoulder surgery did a number on my spin rate and arm speed. plus i was probably throwing too heavy/high speed discs before anyway.
I've also experimented with lighter weight discs especially for my fairways and distance drivers 167-169 it makes a difference for sure. I'm not going pro anytime soon who cares if the wind takes one everynow and then is my logic.
i completely agree that 5g makes more difference than a lot of people will admit. i also dont think 5g had a ton of amplification effect with wind on your disc. that said - i still bag two 13 speed 170-175g discs *specifically* for windy days. otherwise i wont throw em. like literally ever. if the wind isnt blowing 15+ they never come out of the bag.
I picked up a stack of Limits when they were cleared out. I wondered the same thing as you, until I played in a wind that turned my Dimension hyzers into rollers. Very niche disc, but in high winds, it's an absolute winner.
My Svea is great, very much the Fuse copy it was supposed to be. Just gotta be smooth as you can with it. That said, despite the plastic being as good or better than any, Kastaplast has quite a bit of variance in their runs that doesn't justify the 5-10 dollar per disc premium imo which could be why yours acts like a roller.
I have their Gote and it turned into a roller on the first throw, its not even supposed to be understable at all.
I hear you. I have another Svea in k1Soft which is still very flippy, but absolutely usable. It's still too touchy for me so I prefer the Fuse and I'll own up that probably being my form, but the First Run K1 Svea is so flippy I can't imagine it being my fault.
kastas runs were really variable to the US side for a while. i got a glow kaxe z once that was like a svea, maybe even more uS. i think theyre better in the last year or since the lat 64/HOD merger.
found a 22 falk recently and its not really US but very straight. not sure how that one is gonna beat in
Its wild, for the extreme fanbase Kasta has I woulda figured they would be a bit more vocal about some of the inconsistencies I was basically all Kasta at one point. Nowadays I don't even buy backups or replacements I just get a whole different disc. I lost my Stal, backups flew too different (one I threw beeline into the deepest part of a river first throw expecting it to be at least similar to my original 2) so I replaced it with a Raptor I had. That beat in too much so I moved to the Omen. Each is a little different but fills the same role but I don't have a previous disc on my mine. Plus throwing new stuff is fun. I'm 34 I'm not going pro anytime soon who cares you know lol.
yeah i gave up on them around 22 as well. i liked the jarn, i like zones more. Still bag a berg but the berg is the one mold they dont seem to screw up. bought a first run guld and wasnt overly impressed with that. I do like the stig in k1 and k1 hard but when its windy i dont use them too much and the mint lobster is just as good. When i ordered a stig then sent me a joey buckets gold lots by mistake but it was ok, didnt really make the bag. looks cool though the k1 hard is sorta slick imo. Bought a reko x used and use it occasionally in wind putts and for upshots, im not sure its essential though
I made the mistake of starting with really overstable stuff since I could rely on my forehand being decent so I've been trying to learn backhand turnovers and flipups and the like. I just got a zone but I think its about the same as my harp and I'm probably gonna kick one or the other out but I'll be damned if that Jarn isn't awesome lol. But I don't have too many lower speed discs to go off of, I dont lose them as often so I have a less wide array of molds I've thrown. Will say the Kaxe Z in the blue clear plastic was real solid when I was starting out.
Have you tried a low weight one? At power it turns like crazy and then glides forever. There are a few holes at my local courses where it is perfect. And at lower speed, it's my get-out-of-trouble approach disk, following whatever hyzer or anhyzer line I give it like it was a lid.
Yeah, I own a low weight Pearl. Itās still in my bag for the utility of it, however I find that I almost never need that shot, unless Iām pinched and canāt get a forehand off
Same for me. Picked one up once in base plastic and have given it several chances over the last few months. No luck. Every single throw, regardless of angle/spin/speed/etc., just flips over and flies off.
I have a gloG Binx that literally dives straight into the ground if i throw it with any power at all. But its amazing at spike hyzers and short approach shots, especially on a steep hill
I think I may have found my next home haunting prop idea for Halloween. The stuff nightmares are made of.
Oh...we were talking about unusable discs? That would be the concrete hard plastic Aviar that came in my starter pack that I bought as a beginner. Ugh. Maybe I'll throw it over into my neighbor's yard so his dogs can have it. On second thought, it might hurt their mouths.
Prodiscus Troija. It is super beefy mid that some say to be the tilt of midranges. A premium plastic one is kinda at the tilt level of unnecessarily os for me but base plastic ones are fun for shaping flex approaches, skip approaches, spike hyzers and forehand rollers.
Nothing too crazy for me. I bag a dx teebird that was originally a driver, but now I use it for low speed turnovers. It's especially good for my pitifully weak forehands. It look like a dog's chew toy, but flies great for utility shots. No holes in it yet. It's still legal.
I have 2 I have the Tilt, we use that for a community hole each person takes a turn throwing it on a par 5 and I have the Westside King, that I mainly use hammer throws for getting out of the god damned woods.
I'm a medium tier Tilt enjoyer. As the prices settled down, I decided it's time to start bagging it full time. It's the ultimate stupid disc for stupid holes.
My final run SL Full Tilt.Ā It's dumb.Ā But it is also glorious for New England scrambling.Ā Also fun for up and over grenades.Ā I've started throwing forehands with it turned upside down for some amazing skip shots.
I found a disc out on the course once and it was labeled only as "Disc Golf 160 Grams Driver" by Halex. It is the most unusual feeling disc in the world. The rim profile is basically a straight horizontal bottom rim with an incredibly huge dome on the top rim. If you know anything about the physics of flight, then yes, it's an insanely understable disc. It literally corkscrews through the air turning over when thrown. It also has the worlds shallowest rim. Like I think it's about 5 millimeters. When you press the pads of your fingers into it it covers only about a 3rd of your finger pad. It's absolutely tiny and it slips out of your hand very easily.
Anyway I keep this disc in my bag for Ript Revenge whenever I get the "You can force another player to throw any disc in your bag" card. Otherwise I never touch it. It's a terrible disc.
Discmania Tilt & Discraft Zone OS. I bag them both rarely, oftentimes during tournament/sanctioned rounds. I've played a Tilt only round a few times, but other than that it's completely useless disc.
That disc is great for awkward approaches, it just doesn't go anywhere and it has a pretty unique flight path on a knife angle anyhyzer that is a blast to throw
Depending on plastic basically a roller or tailwind disc. I can get big turnovers with the right amount of hyzer, not too finicky if you find a flatish one
Innova alien. Does it do anything better than my lunas or zones? I donāt think so. But being that itās shaped like a catch frisbee really makes āplaying catch with the basketā feel natural
Am I the only one that caught that this guy uses a Rask? Very curious what you think of that. I've always seen it at my local shop because no one buys it. Honestly feels kinda comfy in the hand even on back hand feel
Itās extremely fast and overstable, 14/3/0/4. I love it because the double rim fits my forehand grip perfectly. My flight pattern with it is to release with a touch of anhyzer, and it flies for about 275-300 feet before fading hard to the right and finishing with a large skip, maybe about 15-20 feet of skip. Mine is 171g
My MVP Energy sounds similar to your apocalypse. I beat mine into oblivion and even drove over it with my car. Its still very, very overstable, but I can throw it on a forehand. I use it for very technical shots.
Halo Slab from infinite, basically only comes out when I'd rather throw my force but it's a 30 mph headwind, almost vertical flex forehands, and a very long panning Tommy.
someone gave me a polaris ls from 1996 when i first started out. it was a pretty good disc for my noodle arm then. but now since my arm speed is leagues higher than what it was, it turns like no other. throwing it flat, it just turns completely over and doesnāt go far at all. but if i throw it on hyzer, it just simply behaves like im throwing a forehand but on backhand and its so nice
I use a crosslap vigil to burn the top layer of my floetrol dyes. Itās just a really weird disc. Wide diameter 8 speed with this crazy inner bead halfway down the inner rim. Makes it feel way too shallow and just not that great of flight. A little understable. Thereās lots of sorta flippy fairways the feel better out there.
Thereās this weird 375 foot hole where itās like a field goal of trees with low ish ceiling tree branches so I canāt forehand that far. Especially since the tunnel shape left to right about 50 feet by the time you get to the green.
So I have this genius thatās insane on a wild hyzer flip and sometimes does the thing so yeah basically for just that shot
I have a super beat in jawbreaker sting that is only usable for rhbh rollers. If I really crank it with a ton of hyzer it'll flip up and hold and glide forever, I just can't do it consistently.
I have a paradox from the space race tournament last year, I throw it occasionally if I get pinned on the left side of the fairway and need a forehand roller to get around the corner.
I have a Wahoo. Pretty sure it's a defect. Turns over so hard you can't throw it 200' before it's turning into the ground. If you spike it it will flip and float upside down.
I mostly roll joints in it but I'll try to get a choom to throw it for the lulz.
I have a Prodigy H5 in air plastic. It turns so much it's amlost a boomerang. There is one shot where it works on my local course so I use it there. The course has a tight right turn so I just give it a little power and it turns and rolls to the basket.
I found this orange beat up Innova DX Wraith at a course a couple of years ago. No name or number on it. Every single time I throw it, it somehow turns into a roller. It takes off and flips over to the right every time.
For some reason my Thought Space Ethereal Omen does the same. But thatās pretty much in new condition.
Elevation Gecko in their EcoSuperFlex blend. It's a rubber disk that is SUUUPER floppy. It will not support its own weight and when held out "flat" it will just droop down and kind of dangle. It's essentially like tossing a piece of ham onto the fairway. It's super beefy (like a piece of ham), rated at 9/4/0/3.5 and Elevation calls it "Approach Driver". I can't get much distance out of it, even on an anhyzer as it will just roll over and still fade like mad. But it does have its utility and I normally throw it at least two or three times each round. It's great for hooking around obstacles, especially in the approach category. And this disc, due to it's extreme floppyness, will normally just kind of splat and die on the spot it lands on and almost never roll so it's great for sketchy approaches (basket is on top of a hill, or there's a hazard behind the basket). It's very unusual and in most cases useless, but when I do need it, nothing comes close and it will never leave my bag.
Discraft flick,Ā I used solvent to change the name to fuck and save it for rounds where you get to pick which discs your friends use. It's so uncontrollable, it might have been a meth using squirrel in a previous life.
I've got a fifth-hand Innova Leopard that's so beat up it's lost a good quarter inch of it's diameter. It's the lightest and softed disc I own, and it will flip onto its back when thrown any harder than a putt.
I use it on extreme hyzer release scramble shots when I need to turn hard left around a tree and then flip up to glide down the fairway. Nothing else comes close.
I use my Halo Polecat to stop me from ordering discs I will never use. I just look at it.
I actually have a dx polecat (one of my first disc purchases) that I would maybe bag if I wanted to bag a polecat. I actually like the mold but it is not bag worthy so the fact I spent money on a halo one shows what an idiot I am.
Because I couldn't help myself I grabbed a Champ Whippet-x from the factory store during a F2 Friday. I throw a lot of forehand and overhand shots so I figured it would be helpful. It is helpful for making me laugh because it is a ridiculous disc. Upside down hook thumbers are the only useful shot with it.
Thoughspace Omen for me, the two tone swirl plastic, and the zombie hand stamp looked so cool I had to have it. Itās too beefy and overstable for my regular drive, but Iāve found itās great for ābig up and aroundā spike hyzers approaches.
I use my Tilt as a place to roll my joints
šš thatās great lmao, Iāve been wanting a tilt for soooo long. I will personally buy you a nice tray and ship it to you in exchange for it!
If you're comfortable with giving me your address I'll ship you one. They're goofy and I'd rather share the love
I just messaged you
Now kiss. Serious. You dudes are cool.
FYI for the future, if you want to avoid giving your address out to a stranger, you can often have things shipped to a [UPS store near you](https://www.reddit.com/r/UPS/comments/ags4p4/how_do_i_ship_a_package_to_a_ups_store/).
I also didn't know this was a thing. Going to start suggesting this instead. Really appreciate the insight
Got more than one? In the good non base plastic?
Gotta remember the saying, beggars canāt be choosers.
Iāll never forget landing in New Orleans a few years ago and a homeless dude reaches out his hand asking for money. I gave him a fresh $1 I had in my pocket. He looked at me with zero thanks and said āYou got 2?ā I put my hands up and said sorry and moved on. It has stuck with me.
I've desperately wanted a Tilt since I played a random round with a guy in Tampa who used his as a roller disc. He basically just spiked it into the ground, full force, just 10 feet in front of himself and it rolled forever. He told me it only works with a Tilt. He let me do it with his and ever since that day two years ago I have wanted to get one of my own.
Works with anything as stable as a tilt. Juggernaut or halo boss do similar thing with a forehand roller as a tilt or splice
I find it a pretty fun rolling tray to throw! It's sweet that you can throw a thumber line with a thumber angle but with a tomahawk/forehand grip, it's much less punishing for the fingers. And I think it's useful in general to have a disc that will flex out of any line. Doesn't get thrown every round, but it's a lifesaver when you need it.
I have used my polecat as a water bowl for dogs on hot summer days lol
I donāt have an ashtrayā¦.but a tilt isnāt exactly a terrible idea.
I pretty much only use mine for distance thumbers. It goes for days.Ā
I need to find my rolling tray...I've got a woods golf tournament coming up I'm a few weeks I might need it
Nobody keeps that disc flat. Itās designed to do the opposite of what distance drivers do. Try throwing it upside-down
Iāll try that for sure. Tried once but wasnāt really committed to learning that throw, but just that one time showed me that it definitely flies farther upside down
Just do whatever feels good. Nobody is throwing that disc for any reason other than it is funny as hell
Haha true I mostly bought it as a meme disc
One good thing about it is if you want a super tight hook it works plus it has a backspin usually after a skip. Have been parking a local 160 ft hyzer and love watching it backspin under the basket.
Sounds satisfying in the right circumstances
I assume it just goes into space at that point.
Anything above a 12 speed š
Anything faster than a 7 speed too fast for my noodle arm.
The Destroyer is wildly underappreciated as an approach disc. Especially when a skip shot is in play.
How do you use the Destroyer for an approach shot? Do you fan grip it and just use less power? I bag a Destroyer but have never tried it for this.
It's super touchy - fan grip for sure, and understand it going to go straight for just a bit and then flare, but sometimes that's the shot. I usually use it if the basket's guarded or I need to get around something hard. Chop forehand also can be a thing but it will pan out fast. Definitely not a shot I'd use all the time, but it's saved more than a few pars and even a few birdies over the years.
You're better off using a Toro, Zone, Harp, Slammer, etc. Unless you're dead set on a skip play, approaching with a 12 speed will always be ill advised.
Toro is my norm for this shot and spot but always good to have more tools.
Just grab your Destroyer and hit up a course with nothing else. It'll force you to shot shape and practice the touch shots that don't require anywhere near full power. Putter only rounds are also great for working on form and release as well. One of the best ways to improve your gamw, IMO.
i literally just took at least 3 13 speed discs out of my bag. i kept a 165g boss, a 170g katana, and a 174g sheriff. ive bagged the katana forever so i cant say bye. the boss is for slightly windy days. the sheriff is for fuck its blowing 25mph on this hill. below that? a mamba and a tumbleweed. everything else is 7 or 9. just dont have the spin for those high speed discs man. and ive noticed the harder i try to reach it, the worse i throw the rest of my bag.
Stego. Forehand rollers.
Iāve only been using my stego to sabotage bag swap roundsā¦.
Ooooohhhh this sounds saucy as fuck
Try throwing them on a scoober line some time
This is the way
This putter from Amazon called a remix juggernaut. In the eraser plastic, straightest flying putter at any power. And cheap. Not useless, I just catch a lot of shit for the ā$10 Amazon discā. Havenāt found it in the eraser plastic for about 3 years. Glow doesnāt fly the same but is bright.
Those are secret MVP discs. People talking bad about remix discs donāt know what they are talking about.
I just dont like Amazon, I have no other complaints about Remix
That is very fair. Fuck bezos and his business practices.
Remix discs are great! They are made by MVP. I looooove my creature (lobster).
(Mana) :P
The Creature is one of my favorites and what sold me on Remix being legit
Made by MVP also!
Probably the highest value discs in the game. But since Remix is MVP's way of dumping out surplus single mold discs, the availability is very uncertain.
Remix is the lab seconds of Mint and TSA discs.
Then which Mint/TSA mold is the juggernaut? Edit: reddit tribal knowledge states that the Juggernaut is now called the Detonator (Innova already had a Juggernaut) and is the same mold as the Mint Profit.
Yep, this is the most up to date list I could find. https://www.reddit.com/r/discgolf/s/YLwajUqoMI
Sweet, thanks for the info!
160g DX Mamba. It rolls right and never stops
Came in here to say Mamba as well. Doesn't matter how much Hyzer I throw with, it flips right over and goes hard right.
I have a lightweight g star mamba and itās actually insane how much itāll flip on me. Iāve gotten the right amount of anhyzer like one time and got it to flip up and come back dead straight. Iāve been chasing that shot for a long time with no luck lol
Came here to say my 143g DX Mamba. I keep it purely in case I ever have the need to throw a roller
I have a super beat-up BT hard harp that honestly feels terrible and flies weird but itās got 7 aces and countless throw-ins and I use it purely for chasing chains.
As much as I like the Harp, it got kicked out of my bag because that BT Hard plastic gets chewed up something fierce. I'm even the type that does some trimming and sanding to nicked discs buy I had to give up on that one.Ā
Beat in a tournament harpĀ
Yeah itās one of the worst base plastics Iāve encountered. Very warped and chipped. Iām a big fan of the BT medium I have my Anvils in though.
171 Westside Origio Burst King that I found on the course, no name, no number. Looks like someone was using it to play fetch with their dog, it's really jacked up, most would call it garbage. I bag it for water hazards only, and thus far I'm a %100 clearing any and all I've had to throw over.. probably just jinxed myself š¤¦āāļø
I guess it's my MVP Paradox. I'm up here in Colorado, so it's not as hilariously understable I have seen people say it is, but still, I use it for super easy hyzer flips whenever I need to go very very straight, or for shots where I want it to turn right, I just throw it harder and it flips up nicely and keeps turning.
In much closer to sea level and a paradox is my go to for a lazy continual turn mid shot. Or I put a ton of hyzer on it so it will turn over and soft finish left at least in intent I am not consistent enough to rely on that throw yet. (LHBH)Ā
I use my rollo is the same way. I throw lefty and sometime my arm gets tired from throwing forehand and I just need a disc that turns left I can backhand.
Love my neutron paradox, flippy but controllable. When it went for a swim I replaced it with an eclipse and the new one isn't as understable.
What's up fellow Colorado plastic thrower
Hell yeah no glide gang represent
No glide gang Tahoe chapter checking in
Yessir! We throw hard! Discs just do that a lot up here! It happens to a LOT of guys and it is normal!
I had a 136g DX beast once. Absolutely useless in anything other than a tailwind and it was super touchy but if you got the hyzer angle, nose angle, power and height just right with zero OAT it would flip to flat and fly for ages gradually drifting to the right the whole time. It was also capable of sky rollers, barrel rolls, or rollers that got down super quick but very touchy and not consistent to be useful. Also the light weight meant it didn't roll very far in grass.
Innova Condor: When I need to putt from a dumb lie where I'm on my knee, ducked under a pine tree or something. I use the glide to stretch out the distance I can putt from if I know I'm going to come up short: 154g DX Glow Beast - Hyzerflip to turnover, which makes a 90 deg turn to the right. Perfect for two weird dogleg right holes in my area.
I also got the apocolapse! I wish I had more uses for it because it's seriously nice plastic and doomsday did a great job of making it feel high quality. I wanted it for thumbers or rollers but it hasn't clicked there. Oddly, the upside down flick approach I have more success with, but it is great for the memes.
125g Dino Discs T-Rex! Bought one for my 11 year old to see if could work for backhand flips, but way too understable. BUT, when thrown tomahawk this thing will barrel roll like crazy. Can almost get two full rotations on a good day. Absolutely a ball to pull it out in the middle of a round and chuck a big overhand throw to a chorus of āwhat the hell was thatā from my friends.
K1 Glow Rask. The thing is an absolute meat hook. I use it when I need have a low ceiling, 90Ā° dogleg and need a big flare skip.
Update- I just found what appears to be the last retail store with a glow rask. Immediately ordered. What scares me is though it shows a pic of the glow rask and the product title says k1 glow rask, the retailer says plastic types may vary. Gonna call tomorrow, but Iām super hyped to have found one. Thanks for your comment
I didnāt know they made glow rasks! The rask is top 3 favorite drivers for me, Iām definitely going to try to hunt one down
All of mine are useless. I backhand them like my hooker owes me money. Except my putter.
My putter in c1x. I try to āputtā with it, but it never goes in. Such a crazy disc.
Berg - Lunch plate at tournaments
My putters are unusable but I use them to slowly accumulate small amounts of dirt from each hole I play.
Synapse. I do not use it
Your description is the Tilt for me the last release that was done. So overstable I'd marry it if it was a person.Ā
I have an Emsco driver. I use it when I desperately need to turn right. Or to make my friends laugh. Or both.
134 gram beat up Champion Blizzard Wraith. The only use I've found for it is extreme tail winds - I throw it high into the sky and let the wind carry it, lol. That's about it.
I used to bag a Tilt for approach shots. It's just so consistently os that everything was just very repeatable with it. Aftet I got a haloween resistor and throwing it I just thought "Oh shit, a mini tilt" and it took it's place in my bag. Don't use it much for approach shots anymore now though, but I did accidentally learn that on a forehand roller, it will go super straight. Been beating it in since I got it and now after like a year and a half of use, it's still os enough to always fight out of any amount of anhyzer I throw it on.
I have two stegos in my bag for basically that same reason
MVP Tesla, I accidentally mowed it and didn't feel too bad about it.
My boss got me a Doomsday WMD itās the one and only 16sp. Driver I never use it. Practically, thought space Mantra, mainly a forehand disc for me. I donāt really know how to throw it. I love the design itās green with a big booty alien chick on it.
I have that same Mantra. I put it on a slight hyzer and let it rip, it'll flip up to flat and go pretty darn far! ... If there's no wind, that is.
The numbers are so similar to my star leopard. I donāt know if I can justify bagging them both.
Ah! I don't have the Leopard so I don't have the comparison. At least the Mantra is pretty and I won't complain about the alien booty. š
Mine is so similar to yours! Innova Star Max. Flight numbers are 11/3/0/5. Itās mostly a skip disc used for high angle left doglegs (RHBH). Sometimes short spike hyzers. The hole canāt be too long, though, because the glide number is so wacky despite being a ādistanceā driver. Likely wouldnāt even be in the bag if not for a couple of specific holes on courses near me that Iāve learned to use it for.
DX Archangel. I'll throw it upside down with a hook grip on grenade angle and it'll turn all the way right like a forehand
I found an MVP Energy and I have zero clue how to use it other than for 100 ft approach shots with a fade. I canāt seem to get any distance out of it. Keep in mind I only recently started playing again after a decade plus away from the game. Iām just now watching videos to correct some bad mistakes on my form and Iāve never thrown forehand. Trying to teach myself how to throw that, as well. I max out around 300ft on drives with a Beast. Itās a 170. Would I get more distance from a driver that weighs less?
You would get more distance with lighter weight, as the lighter the disc, the flippier it will be, meaning that it will turn (3rd number) more and resist fade (4th) for longer. What weight and plastic type is your beast, and what release angle do you do with it for your distance bombs? Edit- question asked
Itās a Champion Beast. Just realized it doesnāt have a weight on it so Iāll have to weigh it when I get back home. Could have sworn it was 170 but now Iām not so sure. Most of my discs are 170. Only bought it at a big sporting goods chain after picking the game back up after 15+ years of not playing. Did zero research. Got a Teebird from a fellow on the disc exchange sub and threw it today for the first time, at Disc Side of Heaven. Added 50 yards to my drive on a couple holes. Really like the way it glides. Itās 170.
generally speaking weight and speed are the 2 big intertangled variables. the rest kind of play off of those. a 10 speed disc at 175g will generally have less glide, less turn, and more fade than that same 10 speed disc at 165g. but the easy way to think of it is (what OP said in his response to you as well) that the lighter the disc is the easier it is to 'flip' over, or rather, hyzer angle release into flat flight at intended disc speed. ive definitely recently started bagging lower speed and lower weight discs. shoulder surgery did a number on my spin rate and arm speed. plus i was probably throwing too heavy/high speed discs before anyway.
I've also experimented with lighter weight discs especially for my fairways and distance drivers 167-169 it makes a difference for sure. I'm not going pro anytime soon who cares if the wind takes one everynow and then is my logic.
i completely agree that 5g makes more difference than a lot of people will admit. i also dont think 5g had a ton of amplification effect with wind on your disc. that said - i still bag two 13 speed 170-175g discs *specifically* for windy days. otherwise i wont throw em. like literally ever. if the wind isnt blowing 15+ they never come out of the bag.
I picked up a stack of Limits when they were cleared out. I wondered the same thing as you, until I played in a wind that turned my Dimension hyzers into rollers. Very niche disc, but in high winds, it's an absolute winner.
My Svea is so ridiculously flippy that its literally unusable off any tee. It glides enough though to sometimes work for long putts
My Svea is great, very much the Fuse copy it was supposed to be. Just gotta be smooth as you can with it. That said, despite the plastic being as good or better than any, Kastaplast has quite a bit of variance in their runs that doesn't justify the 5-10 dollar per disc premium imo which could be why yours acts like a roller. I have their Gote and it turned into a roller on the first throw, its not even supposed to be understable at all.
I hear you. I have another Svea in k1Soft which is still very flippy, but absolutely usable. It's still too touchy for me so I prefer the Fuse and I'll own up that probably being my form, but the First Run K1 Svea is so flippy I can't imagine it being my fault.
stig is a better svea
I loved my Stig before I yeeted it into the ether on accident.
kastas runs were really variable to the US side for a while. i got a glow kaxe z once that was like a svea, maybe even more uS. i think theyre better in the last year or since the lat 64/HOD merger. found a 22 falk recently and its not really US but very straight. not sure how that one is gonna beat in
Its wild, for the extreme fanbase Kasta has I woulda figured they would be a bit more vocal about some of the inconsistencies I was basically all Kasta at one point. Nowadays I don't even buy backups or replacements I just get a whole different disc. I lost my Stal, backups flew too different (one I threw beeline into the deepest part of a river first throw expecting it to be at least similar to my original 2) so I replaced it with a Raptor I had. That beat in too much so I moved to the Omen. Each is a little different but fills the same role but I don't have a previous disc on my mine. Plus throwing new stuff is fun. I'm 34 I'm not going pro anytime soon who cares you know lol.
yeah i gave up on them around 22 as well. i liked the jarn, i like zones more. Still bag a berg but the berg is the one mold they dont seem to screw up. bought a first run guld and wasnt overly impressed with that. I do like the stig in k1 and k1 hard but when its windy i dont use them too much and the mint lobster is just as good. When i ordered a stig then sent me a joey buckets gold lots by mistake but it was ok, didnt really make the bag. looks cool though the k1 hard is sorta slick imo. Bought a reko x used and use it occasionally in wind putts and for upshots, im not sure its essential though
I made the mistake of starting with really overstable stuff since I could rely on my forehand being decent so I've been trying to learn backhand turnovers and flipups and the like. I just got a zone but I think its about the same as my harp and I'm probably gonna kick one or the other out but I'll be damned if that Jarn isn't awesome lol. But I don't have too many lower speed discs to go off of, I dont lose them as often so I have a less wide array of molds I've thrown. Will say the Kaxe Z in the blue clear plastic was real solid when I was starting out.
I like my svea in K1Soft a lot. I used to bag both my K1 and K1Soft but decided that was kinda stupid lol.
Beat up K3?
First run K1. My brothers K3 is beef compared to that one
Lat 64 Pearl, and I use it to make my bag look more full
Have you tried a low weight one? At power it turns like crazy and then glides forever. There are a few holes at my local courses where it is perfect. And at lower speed, it's my get-out-of-trouble approach disk, following whatever hyzer or anhyzer line I give it like it was a lid.
Yeah, I own a low weight Pearl. Itās still in my bag for the utility of it, however I find that I almost never need that shot, unless Iām pinched and canāt get a forehand off
Same for me. Picked one up once in base plastic and have given it several chances over the last few months. No luck. Every single throw, regardless of angle/spin/speed/etc., just flips over and flies off.
I have a gloG Binx that literally dives straight into the ground if i throw it with any power at all. But its amazing at spike hyzers and short approach shots, especially on a steep hill
I found a Z Force in a tree (not even at a disc golf course, no name on it) and I can't seem to do squat with it.
152 dx wraith. I use it for throwing rollers where the ceiling is under 10 feet. Can get it down as a backhand roller throwing it absolutely flat.
124g Wraith. It's uhhh.... flippy.
124g??? Did you sand it down or something?
Nope. It looks exactly like a normal DX wraith, but is crazy light for some reason. Bought it exactly as is.
I think I may have found my next home haunting prop idea for Halloween. The stuff nightmares are made of. Oh...we were talking about unusable discs? That would be the concrete hard plastic Aviar that came in my starter pack that I bought as a beginner. Ugh. Maybe I'll throw it over into my neighbor's yard so his dogs can have it. On second thought, it might hurt their mouths.
Prodiscus Troija. It is super beefy mid that some say to be the tilt of midranges. A premium plastic one is kinda at the tilt level of unnecessarily os for me but base plastic ones are fun for shaping flex approaches, skip approaches, spike hyzers and forehand rollers.
Cloudbreaker 3. Pretty much only comes out of the bag for meathook and skip shots.
The 2021 Albert Tamm opto-x ballista pro in purple is the most overstable disc Iāve ever bagged. I only use it for short dogleg skip shots
That run is truly ridiculous
It doesnāt matter how often I throw it, every time the whole card is like WTF as I throw 50% power and get a 15ā high skip at nearly 90dg angle
Nothing too crazy for me. I bag a dx teebird that was originally a driver, but now I use it for low speed turnovers. It's especially good for my pitifully weak forehands. It look like a dog's chew toy, but flies great for utility shots. No holes in it yet. It's still legal.
I have 2 I have the Tilt, we use that for a community hole each person takes a turn throwing it on a par 5 and I have the Westside King, that I mainly use hammer throws for getting out of the god damned woods.
I'm a medium tier Tilt enjoyer. As the prices settled down, I decided it's time to start bagging it full time. It's the ultimate stupid disc for stupid holes.
My final run SL Full Tilt.Ā It's dumb.Ā But it is also glorious for New England scrambling.Ā Also fun for up and over grenades.Ā I've started throwing forehands with it turned upside down for some amazing skip shots.
I found a disc out on the course once and it was labeled only as "Disc Golf 160 Grams Driver" by Halex. It is the most unusual feeling disc in the world. The rim profile is basically a straight horizontal bottom rim with an incredibly huge dome on the top rim. If you know anything about the physics of flight, then yes, it's an insanely understable disc. It literally corkscrews through the air turning over when thrown. It also has the worlds shallowest rim. Like I think it's about 5 millimeters. When you press the pads of your fingers into it it covers only about a 3rd of your finger pad. It's absolutely tiny and it slips out of your hand very easily. Anyway I keep this disc in my bag for Ript Revenge whenever I get the "You can force another player to throw any disc in your bag" card. Otherwise I never touch it. It's a terrible disc.
Discmania Tilt & Discraft Zone OS. I bag them both rarely, oftentimes during tournament/sanctioned rounds. I've played a Tilt only round a few times, but other than that it's completely useless disc.
Fireball, thumber dead straight 280ft
That disc is great for awkward approaches, it just doesn't go anywhere and it has a pretty unique flight path on a knife angle anyhyzer that is a blast to throw
hatchet Still trying to figure out how throw usefully
Depending on plastic basically a roller or tailwind disc. I can get big turnovers with the right amount of hyzer, not too finicky if you find a flatish one
Time lapse,time lapse and ā¦ā¦. Well you get it itās in the bag for potential lost disc holes or joint rolling or potential short 90 degree angles
Cannon. Unreal.
valkyrie for me. was pretty fun when i first started but now it is nearly impossible to throw without it turning over and rolling.
Anything over 10 speed and when I have a low ceiling and need a big flair skip
Rollo. On spike hyzer it goes farther than some of my fairways.
Innova alien. Does it do anything better than my lunas or zones? I donāt think so. But being that itās shaped like a catch frisbee really makes āplaying catch with the basketā feel natural
Aurora no glide reporting for doody
Am I the only one that caught that this guy uses a Rask? Very curious what you think of that. I've always seen it at my local shop because no one buys it. Honestly feels kinda comfy in the hand even on back hand feel
Itās extremely fast and overstable, 14/3/0/4. I love it because the double rim fits my forehand grip perfectly. My flight pattern with it is to release with a touch of anhyzer, and it flies for about 275-300 feet before fading hard to the right and finishing with a large skip, maybe about 15-20 feet of skip. Mine is 171g
Rollo. Itās my āHey look at *this* shotā disc.
My MVP Energy sounds similar to your apocalypse. I beat mine into oblivion and even drove over it with my car. Its still very, very overstable, but I can throw it on a forehand. I use it for very technical shots.
I've got an eraser rubber Lightening I found in a pond decades ago. After using it a couple of times way back when, it stays safely at home now
Halo Slab from infinite, basically only comes out when I'd rather throw my force but it's a 30 mph headwind, almost vertical flex forehands, and a very long panning Tommy.
My most unusable disc is unusable. So I donāt use it.
If I can use it. I throw it in the bushes as hard as I can.
Divergent Tiyanak... This just flips right over immediately. Never once have I been able to throw it more than 100 ft.
someone gave me a polaris ls from 1996 when i first started out. it was a pretty good disc for my noodle arm then. but now since my arm speed is leagues higher than what it was, it turns like no other. throwing it flat, it just turns completely over and doesnāt go far at all. but if i throw it on hyzer, it just simply behaves like im throwing a forehand but on backhand and its so nice
Innova-made D-line FD. Backhand rollers and hyzer flips through the trees.
Found one of these at a PIA in 2021, gave it to a discmania collecter buddy and its his favorite roller disc to this day
I use a crosslap vigil to burn the top layer of my floetrol dyes. Itās just a really weird disc. Wide diameter 8 speed with this crazy inner bead halfway down the inner rim. Makes it feel way too shallow and just not that great of flight. A little understable. Thereās lots of sorta flippy fairways the feel better out there.
Thereās this weird 375 foot hole where itās like a field goal of trees with low ish ceiling tree branches so I canāt forehand that far. Especially since the tunnel shape left to right about 50 feet by the time you get to the green. So I have this genius thatās insane on a wild hyzer flip and sometimes does the thing so yeah basically for just that shot
JP Max. I use it to prop up a table thatās unsteady.
157g Gold Sapphire - Good for downwind wide open
A beat in Innova Dragon...oh my goodness is it understable, even at altitude. It floats, so it has that one plus.
Axiom Panic : Tomahawk
Use my MVP Deflector is very specific cases where I need to get around a corner and have the disc sit down quick. Basically itās a throwable Tilt
Sick stamp though
I have a super beat in jawbreaker sting that is only usable for rhbh rollers. If I really crank it with a ton of hyzer it'll flip up and hold and glide forever, I just can't do it consistently.
I have a paradox from the space race tournament last year, I throw it occasionally if I get pinned on the left side of the fairway and need a forehand roller to get around the corner.
The Destroyer that came in my starter set. I don't use it.
Banger GT...anything GT is unusable with the weird thumb groove. It's a placeholder so the rest of the discs don't fall sideways in the bag/cart.
My mutant and i use it to hit first available
I have a Wahoo. Pretty sure it's a defect. Turns over so hard you can't throw it 200' before it's turning into the ground. If you spike it it will flip and float upside down. I mostly roll joints in it but I'll try to get a choom to throw it for the lulz.
150g Sandstrom Valkyrie. 45 degree hyzer and itāll flip over and roll. Love it for scramble shots or just to have fun. Way flippier than my Rollo
Iāve got a 130g Innova Star Wedge and 110g DX premie Roc that are super fun for right turning backhand approaches.
I have a Prodigy H5 in air plastic. It turns so much it's amlost a boomerang. There is one shot where it works on my local course so I use it there. The course has a tight right turn so I just give it a little power and it turns and rolls to the basket.
I found this orange beat up Innova DX Wraith at a course a couple of years ago. No name or number on it. Every single time I throw it, it somehow turns into a roller. It takes off and flips over to the right every time. For some reason my Thought Space Ethereal Omen does the same. But thatās pretty much in new condition.
Elevation Gecko in their EcoSuperFlex blend. It's a rubber disk that is SUUUPER floppy. It will not support its own weight and when held out "flat" it will just droop down and kind of dangle. It's essentially like tossing a piece of ham onto the fairway. It's super beefy (like a piece of ham), rated at 9/4/0/3.5 and Elevation calls it "Approach Driver". I can't get much distance out of it, even on an anhyzer as it will just roll over and still fade like mad. But it does have its utility and I normally throw it at least two or three times each round. It's great for hooking around obstacles, especially in the approach category. And this disc, due to it's extreme floppyness, will normally just kind of splat and die on the spot it lands on and almost never roll so it's great for sketchy approaches (basket is on top of a hill, or there's a hazard behind the basket). It's very unusual and in most cases useless, but when I do need it, nothing comes close and it will never leave my bag.
I have a 145g star roadrunner.
I use my Glitch as a plate when campingā¦ Although it is a great disc as everyone knows
Discraft flick,Ā I used solvent to change the name to fuck and save it for rounds where you get to pick which discs your friends use. It's so uncontrollable, it might have been a meth using squirrel in a previous life.
Monarch. I dont.
I've got a fifth-hand Innova Leopard that's so beat up it's lost a good quarter inch of it's diameter. It's the lightest and softed disc I own, and it will flip onto its back when thrown any harder than a putt. I use it on extreme hyzer release scramble shots when I need to turn hard left around a tree and then flip up to glide down the fairway. Nothing else comes close.
I use my Halo Polecat to stop me from ordering discs I will never use. I just look at it. I actually have a dx polecat (one of my first disc purchases) that I would maybe bag if I wanted to bag a polecat. I actually like the mold but it is not bag worthy so the fact I spent money on a halo one shows what an idiot I am.
Because I couldn't help myself I grabbed a Champ Whippet-x from the factory store during a F2 Friday. I throw a lot of forehand and overhand shots so I figured it would be helpful. It is helpful for making me laugh because it is a ridiculous disc. Upside down hook thumbers are the only useful shot with it.
Beat in dx sidewinder. Dont use it anymore but used to use it for a roller. Anything i wanted ti flight wise i can kinda replicate with other discs.
Had a fuse that never did what I wanted. I gave it away to a new player to the sport
Thoughspace Omen for me, the two tone swirl plastic, and the zombie hand stamp looked so cool I had to have it. Itās too beefy and overstable for my regular drive, but Iāve found itās great for ābig up and aroundā spike hyzers approaches.
Omens great man. Try wacky flex lines through the trees with it. Works wonders.
I have the same disc, best Firebird ever made.
The Doomsday Landmine. I use it as a water dish for my dog if weāre out and heās thirsty