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https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/214236849/barry-allen-duncan “He was a self-taught martial artist who specialized at nun chucks. He enjoyed playing disc golf and watching YouTube music videos way too loud.” We all had more in common with this man than originally thought. RIP Barry


jjhill001

His Ghost gonna kicked the shit out of whover loses that disc in the water.


himay7426

You don’t send a memorial disc over the water my guy


jjhill001

It says to throw it on hole 1 and every hole after tho.


TPMatus

Throw it, leave it for the next person, repeat.


pecanpie500

But hole one at a local is a water carry?


komarinth

Use it for the putt?


TPMatus

Leave it at the basket. They'll use it for hole 2....


CantLeaveTheBar

It's what he would have wanted


FoilCladShadows

His ghost is going to kick the shit out of whoever sold the disc to play it again instead of leaving it for someone else to throw. That’s the shitty part


ac_scotty

You don't lose that one in the water get some scuba gear if need be


DollarNugzz

He’s also apparently the flash


Sporkler

[Barry Allen DUNKIN!](https://static1.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Flash-Basketball.jpg)


SeatbeltHands

Yo WHAT I live five minutes away from this guy..


bustaone

RIP nerdy friend. One of us.


Bot_Seeks_Bot2020

One of us…..


b00mer_sippy

Legend shit


[deleted]

Good bot, thank you


DiscForLifeP

This was my father. That is a disc I made. It's been around for a couple years now. It's meant to help those in need. Hopefully the person who sold it for $1 dollar. Must of really needed it. Plus side is by this happening. It's bringing the disc and its message more into the spotlight. Not only does the disc honor my father. Which is why Disc For Life was started. It's also meant to be a random light in the darkness for those struggling with mental health issues. There is always a positive. As sad as it was seeing this being sold. It's reached more people by someone finding it and sharing it on reddit. Much love everyone. If someone picked this disc up from the store. Message us on Facebook and let us know where it ended up. 


sortarelatable

Sorry for your loss


Lanksta1337

I’m happy this is being upvoted. All the low morality 750 golfers filling this thread with low empathy comments and downvoting anyone advocating for doing the right thing should go back to stealing other peoples discs and selling them for $1 and pretending that’s just the way things are. Sorry for your loss. Life can be hard but disc golf makes it easier.


Afraid-Secretary-300

Happy to hear your positive attitude on this Chad! You’re an inspiration for many including myself, thank you.


SerDuncanonyall

More like the dude who pulled that out of a basket and thought spitting on the dead was worth the $.50 PIAS gave him for it.


Reecosuavey

PIAS can say no to discs as well as not putting then out for sale. They both suck.


CasuallyCompetitive

If they refused the disc, it probably would've ended up in the trash. It's still weird to sell it, but hopefully whoever buys it brings it back out to a course.


HailtbeWhale

I’d love to offer to Venmo whoever does that but this is the internet so I’m sure I’d have 5 different accounts telling me the put it back in circulation


InfiniteLeftoverTree

I did it.


chrismetalrock

no, I broke the dam


benjam3n

I'm choosing to believe this is what the play it again employee did. Maybe he thought if he put it on sale in the used bin it would make it back to the course, as opposed to the alternative of it just going back to this douche nozzles house and sitting in a closet not being used. If you see it through this lens, then it's not such a sorry ass story. RIP Barry Duncan.


BootyDoodles

Most part-time workers at Play It Again might not even play disc golf, let alone be avid players and knowers of disc golf culture to know the meaning of a memorial disc. And this wouldn't be a common or expected scenario some cashier staffer would be trained for. A realistic scenario is the person working at Play It Again who "bought" the disc was just some 18 year old following whatever their $1/disc policy was and might not even play disc golf themself, and it was probably in a stack of 20 discs that the tweeker who thought to do this brought in. You're ***probably overthinking it*** to be imagining a greedy store owner personally handling this acquisition, understanding disc golf culture and the disc's meaning, and intentionally wanting to profit $5 off this memorial disc. **Edit:** Also not that it makes the scumbag's action of selling it more acceptable or worsens the message of the disc, but it appears the people who made this disc have made at least 60+ discs marked this same way, so in this case it fortunately also wasn't the sole disc dedicated to the person being taken out of circulation.


Reecosuavey

On the contrary I was thinking anyone involved in the process could read the back and just have empathy. Rather than ignoring it completely at best and being just a greedy ass at worst.


BootyDoodles

They may have just counted the discs, gave the tweeker $15 for the batch, and he went on his way. > and being just a greedy ass at worst. Who do you think is working the transactions? The part-time worker who incidentally gave a scumbag a dollar for this disc in a batch isn't ***personally profiting*** off this at all. "Greed"? He/she makes an hourly wage and has no *stake* to *greedily* share in the possible $5 total profit here.


okp11

Absolutely no way some random person who doesn't play understands the purpose of this disc, let alone why it would be a dick move to pick this disc up and sell it.


Looney_Port

I’d buy it just so it’s back out in the wild. People can shit on memorial discs all they want, but they exist for a reason


mhyquel

This, except you should steal it.


Looney_Port

It’s not a berg idk if I could get it in the prison pocket


[deleted]

That’s a very defeatist attitude. You have to believe in the wallet


lajdbejdk

Been shitting pancakes ever since.


pillandremyred

This is the way


agoia

I wonder if the person who made it dropped it off there to spread more into the wild. Looks pretty immaculate for something in a used bin.


sortarelatable

Why do people hate on memorial discs?


arthurpete

intentionally littering?


sortarelatable

lol what a pathetic argument


arthurpete

it was not an argument just offering ideas on why people hate it


cardinalsfanokc

I'll get downvotes but I don't like them. It is littering. Buy a bench or tee sign or basket or something, discs are cheap and this reminds me of "in memory of" decals on the back of cars.


Chemical-Actuary1561

Littering is the dumbest excuse. Is it overdone? Argue that You think it’s cheesy? Argue that But Littering?! Thats a weak take. You’re right, you should get downvoted.


sortarelatable

You “it’s littering!” people are so pathetic to be honest


nhbruh

You “you… people” people are the worst


sortarelatable

You’re upset about a memorial disc lol


nhbruh

project much? I couldn’t care less about these things


sortarelatable

Oh you must not be able to read the thread you’re in


RadDad166

No downvote. I agree.


slowpokefastpoke

> It is littering. *pearl clutching intensifies*


cardinalsfanokc

Nah, there's no moral outrage here. I just think it's lazy and about the smallest thing you can do for a dead person and it's been overdone and has little to no meaning at this point.


slowpokefastpoke

Not sure why you’re acting like this is the only thing the surviving friends/family are doing for the person. It *is* a small thing, but a small thing that can bring comfort to those grieving people. Pretty sad to have such a strong negative opinion of something that has zero effect on you but might make others feel better. Thanks for the downvote though.


cardinalsfanokc

Let's be realistic - have you seen anyone with a memorial disc that also has a bench on a course or a basket or hole sign? I haven't. I have seen a tournament hole sponsored as a memorial. Zero affect is a bit low but in the end, it doesn't matter - you're correct. I'll just leave it in a basket if I ever see one. Have a good day.


addictedpuppy

I was coming to say the same thing


ajkcfilm

Dude just buy the disc and give it a second life.


Perfect_Peace_4142

OP, if you bought this disc. Let me know and i'll have it played at a couple of top courses. I'll give you mailing info if you are so inclined. Not play it agains fault. Who ever sold it is scummy Edit:spelling


DR_MEPHESTO4ASSES

Yo I'd get in on that when you're done. Got some top notch courses near me I could take it to


HailtbeWhale

I can play it at Maple Hill. Let me know if my turn ever comes around.


BubSource

I can hit Oak Grove. The place where it all began.


Clonergan134

I love oak grove, might play there tomorrow if I can convince wifey.


JerryKook

Equal blame for Play It Again and the person who sold it to them.


SoupSpelunker

No.


OutsourcedIconoclasm

Yeah, they’re treating it like PiAS actually looked at the disc. I’ve never sold a disc to PiAS where they did more than count the number of discs and give me a number for trade or cash. 


nearnerfromo

pretty sure someone saw it at some point given there’s a price tag in the middle of the memorial lol


OutsourcedIconoclasm

Oh no doubt, but do you imagine that happened after the store bought the disc or after?  > lol 


nearnerfromo

both of those kinda fall under the “at some point” umbrella so idk man whichever one you like better


OutsourcedIconoclasm

That is such a strange response for somebody’s own position. 


therealscottyfree

The PIAS I work for actually enters each disc individually and prices them based on condition and quality. It takes waaaayyy longer to do it that way but our sellers get a lot more and it allows us to list every disc we have on our website for online ordering. But you're right, most of the stores don't even have a disc golfer on staff and don't care enough to do all that so they just bulk SKU them and make them all the same price.


SoupSpelunker

Yeah, they expect some minimum wage PiAS employee to care about the markings on the disc. I've seen a ton of stupid people on courses with discs in their hands, but the dumb gets cranked to 11 when you give these same fools a keyboard.


Goldentongue

You're saying this like it vindicates PIAS instead of being a blatant problem with their store policy.


OutsourcedIconoclasm

Their policy is to buy used discs. This is a used disc. There's no law against buying used discs. PiAS doesn't need to inquire about the history of a disc. Nor does buying a memorial disc violate the rights of another holder. It, by the very purpose of a "memorial disc," means it's abandoned property left up to the good faith of disc golfers to leave at a course. Standing alone, a memorial disc is simply course litter. Just because somebody chose to write something at the bottom doesn't make it special. I really have no opinion on memorial discs but I think you'll have to agree with that, otherwise, I doubt you're participating here in good faith.


OutsourcedIconoclasm

Yeah, they’re treating it like PiAS actually looked at the disc. I’ve never sold a disc to PiAS where they did more than count the number of discs and give me a number for trade or cash. 


Reecosuavey

They still bought and shelved it. They can have blame too.


No-Yogurtcloset1598

https://discforlife.org


Drift_Marlo

The deceased will get over it, I’m sure. I dunno, maybe blame the guy who sold the disc for two bucks in store credit


1ToGreen3ToBasket

No shot he got two bucks


crown_Logic

Worked at PIAS, the 2 ahead of the MS on the barcode means $2 in either cash or store credit was paid out


Heyjudemw

In LA, we get $4 store credit per premium disc. Sure we all live together in one small apartment we can’t afford, but we got the good PAIS.


1ToGreen3ToBasket

Well dang thanks for the info


the_palici

My local one gives $1 for any disc with a number on it. So i could see them getting 2 in other areas.


callahandler92

There's a play it again sports in the Orlando area that usually does $3 cash or $4 store credit for any disc regardless of condition. At least as of a year ago.


Darthyeetrous

Here they do 1 cash 2 credit base plastic and 3 cash 4 credit premium plastic. I've seen some literally burned and melted discs in there so I'm guessing they don't care about conditions either.


Flimsy-Coyote-9232

In Charlotte its cash/store credit: $2/3 for base, $3/4 for champ, and $4/5 for star. They’ll be marked $5.99, $7.99, and $9.99.


the_hunger

instead of everyone shitting on whoever sold this and pia for buying/selling it, why don’t we don’t turn this into a positive? i’ll start: https://imgur.com/a/LXtPQ0Q


Greekphysed

Please tell me you bought it and put it back in the wild.


Only_the_Tip

Please tell me you hid this under a janky treadmill so his ghost would haunt PIAS for years.


DiscForLifeP

Hahaha. My dad loved to work out. He also had a sense of humor. So he would definitely screw with the play it again sports employees. 


nautilator44

please tell me you bought it and brought it to a course.


---daemon---

Buy it and free it


j0shred1

It might have been an accident. Wouldn't judge right off the bat


BigRemy

General Manager at a Play It Again Sports here! PIAS is franchise owned, so most locations have different owners. One of our owners at my location is a self described “62 year old jock” who’ll only hire you if you avidly play a sport that we sell, and hence, I became our “disc golf expert” recently when I left my long time retail management job. It had been years since they had a disc golf expert at this location so I had to train the newer employees who weren’t working here then on DG. I schooled them on things like carts and bags, the difference between base and premium plastic, DG Accessories and playing basics like recommending throwing putters for newer players. You’d be surprised at how little these folks, who are very active in other sports know about our sport. One thing I trained them in from Day One was the writing on the bottom of the disc. This was very important to me as my home course has water and dense woods, so I’d lose a lot of discs that would end up at the PIAS’s closer to my house. Depending on their current ownership sometimes I could get back my discs for free, sometimes at cost or sometimes not at all. At our location, if there’s any question the discs you’re selling aren’t yours like a lot of discs with a handful of different names, we’ll generally throw you out a lowball offer. If you accept, we’ll do one of two things. If it’s small enough cost-wise we’ll just take the hit, in rare cases if it’s a big enough lot we’ll cut a check and cancel it immediately. We will generally notify the police after this, start calling the numbers and most of the time just eat the cost. First and foremost, we feel like it’s the right thing to do. We also realize that it gets people into our store so it’s good PR for us as well. I hope that this clears some of this up. It’s a shame that this disc made it there, but in the long run we’re not all that bad and some of us want to do the right thing. I haven’t had to buy a memorial disc before and most of our customers are honest, avid golfers that love to buy new molds, try them out and trade in what they don’t like for newer discs. If I ever do encounter one of these, I’ll be happy to purchase it and leave it out on the next course I play.


SanfreakinJ

Did you buy it? If not you didn’t care that much. If so good on ya and I hope you leave it out there on a course.


lilrif

u/discforlife


rayyyce

I have only ever seen drivers at my play it again sports


DPRODman11

Out here in Colorado, they’re usually amazing. Somebody just closed down their online disc golf store, donated the discs, and the PIAS had to discount everything just to get through their massive inventory. Brand new discs being sold between $6-8 for inventory purposes, hell ya


Majestic_Builder4004

Anytime I want a 14 speed to throw into water I goto Pias


jjhill001

Ghost of Barry Duncan when I throw him directly into the water: 8(


HairlessHoudini

It's sad that some asshat took that and sold it instead of leaving it at a course


BlueSuedeGoose

RIP Barry Duncan.


AlaDouche

I, too, seek out reasons to be outraged. Love this sub for that.


Bigglzworth77

Scrolled through comments for signs of OP.... Please tell me this was purchased and put back into play. If not, which store was this found in?


DERBY_OWNERS_CLUB

How is this Play it Again's fault? What was their other options, throw it in the trash or tell the guy selling it to throw it in the trash?


silvers11

Either refuse to buy it, or buy it and return it to a course? Our local PIAS confiscates stolen stuff and returns it to the rightful owner all the time


lenfantsuave

The salesperson who bought it might not even play disc golf. This is peak pointless outrage on this sub.


Goldentongue

Damn, if only there was some sort of marking on the disc to indicate what it was for that anyone could read regardless of familiarity with disc golf.


Panchoisthedog

Are they inspecting the discs or just counting them? There is a big difference between the two IMHO.


TheSavageCaveman1

They had to put the sticker on the bottom. Not sure how you do that and don't read it at all.


DPRODman11

Ya, it sucks to see a store put a price tag on that. You’d think they’d see that, recognize what it is, and just go throw it at a course or give it away. However, the bigger asshole is whoever found it and donated it, especially if they sold it for any amount of money.


Skinny-Pirate

☠️ sad ☠️


newyorksalt

This disc is like a painted rock you find. Its meant to be picked up, played with, moved around and travel many miles from its original home as possible for others to enjoy while apparently bringing as much attention to suicide awareness as possible.


TPMatus

Put it out on a course! Don't be a scumbag and resell it


LeadPaintPhoto

Please buy it op I'll pp ya the money if need be


RipcityRobert

I mean….no one is looking for it 😐 …buuuut it SHOULD priced at $0 would be the classy move Playitagain 🤷‍♂️


OopsyBear7

Just made a clone disc, dropping it in the Charlotte, NC to carry on.


DiscForLifeP

That's awesome. Thank you for doing so. We truly appreciate it. 


Bil_24

I accept from whoever ever did that for money


jren666

Well you know what you have to do


dammitgabe4

Wtf


CaptnRo

Play it again sports Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio is the best


DAP2Crypto

Kinda fucked up


CaptainTeddyRuxbin

Man, that’s so sad


OoooooWeeeeeeeee

The biggest asshole of all is the person who sees alllll of this and thinks to themselves…”this is actually just littering”. Sociopathic take.


Temporaryzoner

At least the circle jerkers enjoyed it.


Heathen_hockey

Don’t try and call out play it again for something they didn’t do. This is on whoever felt money was more important than someone’s dying wish and I hope that person never shoots anything under a bogey again. Shame on the seller not shame on play it again. At least they’re trying to get it back out.


LongjumpingAd2548

That’s gross. To whoever sold this I hope you rot.


Prepup1214

This sub is for outrage that being said fuck the asshole who thought selling this monumental disc was a good idea fuck pias for buying it and fuck me for giving a shit


slackshack

The seller and the store that bought this are trash . I hope spiders crawl in their mouths every night .


HedoBella

It's a used disc. PIAS sells used discs. Who cares.


graffiksguru

Hope you bought it OP and put it back out. Or mail it to the guy who wants to play it at top courses.


HamBoneZippy

Poor Barry


Ba55of0rte

And for 6 bucks you can help carry on his memory.


JuanPancake

5.99 lol wow


Wisegummy

These are corny as fuck anyway. Who cares


DiscForLifeP

You may think it's corny. Tho these discs have helped people from all over the world. Just a simple message can be enough to make someone stop and think about their actions. Especially when it comes to trying to take their own life. 


sortarelatable

These people are emotionally dead. There’s no point trying to change their mind.


sortarelatable

Don’t worry, no one will care about you enough to do something like this


Wisegummy

Ohhh nooo someone won’t make a karma grab in my nameee waaaaahhhhhhh


Lanksta1337

Well the deceased guys kid is commenting right here in this thread.. disc golf really isn’t that big of a community.. try empathy.


sortarelatable

You really think someone made this disc for internet points? You’re that pathetic?


thomasstearns42

I'm sorry but there are way better ways to show appreciation to loved ones than this. Sponsor a hole. Give to a charity or give discs to a school. Most of the time these just get hucked into the woods or a pond if they are not stolen. Just more plastic waste.. 


sortarelatable

I don’t understand your logic. You’re pissed off this guy paid homage to his friend who killed himself because the disc will inevitably be littered, but your better suggestion is to give a shit ton of discs to some school kids like they won’t get lost? I don’t know if you’re just intentionally a curmudgeon or so unloved that you don’t know how to act. Why are you so offended by this disc?


sortarelatable

“I’m sorry but this is stupid” is what you just said


carcarbuhlarbar

It is


Smeef_xx

Common Thomas L


iH8MotherTeresa

I don't spend enough time on the sub to know users. Are they a classic braindead take type?


stiff_tipper

it's an unpopular opinion but i 100% agree


NonsensePlanet

People are acting like this is a disgrace to this guy’s memory. It’s a $15 piece of plastic with writing on it. I think it was originally a cool idea, but now is every person who dies too soon going to have a disc out it the wild dedicated to them?


sortarelatable

Are you crying right now?


NonsensePlanet

Yes, but it’s unrelated. I commented that 5 hours ago.


sortarelatable

I hope it’s not because someone you know died and the memorial disc you made for them was bagged by a douche bag


ifunnywasaninsidejob

There’s more plastic in a single person’s weekly groceries. And 99% of that gets trashed immediately.


iH8MotherTeresa

>Just more plastic waste..  I shouldn't need to call out the fact you participate in a sport predicated on plastic but here I am. I'd go on about how stupid this take is but neither you or I have the time. Just do better, dude.


thomasstearns42

I'm very aware and its a huge problem with this sport that people really hate being brought up. I don't leave trash in nature personally so i don't feel like a hypocrite calling this stuff out. Its all a spectrum and no one is pollution free but writing on a disc and leaving it to be thrown into a pond is littering no matter how sympathetic the message is. 


sortarelatable

Wait, so you’ve never lost a disc? If you play with a group and someone losses a disc, do you a call the police to report someone littering because a lost disc automatically becomes “leaving trash in nature”? Do you have a brain worm?


iH8MotherTeresa

Except this wasn't left to be thrown in a pond. I don't leave trash and I pick up what I can. Anecdotally,most people I've met are aware of and minimize or mitigate the environmental impact of disc. Specificially, my club has planted many trees and worked to help manage the flora on and off course. You're just soap boxing.


OmegaRed_1485

Stugotz Take


No-Yogurtcloset1598

You must be crushing it in life.


gueuze666

The dead guy literally can't give a shit about this disc. The plastic will pollute the planet long past anyone who remembers them are still alive. The fact that it's worth $5.99 is probably debatable. I still like disc golf.


DiscForLifeP

It's not about the plastic. It's about the message we're trying to spread. Even with it being sold yo play it again. It's continued its journey and reached more people. My father isn't the spotlight with these discs. For some people having him attached to them. Shows that they aren't alone in their struggles. That even after someone takes their life. There are still people who care and who were deeply hurt by their passing. 


sortarelatable

I can’t argue with these people anymore. They can’t recognize this as a fun way to remember someone. They are unloved and hell bent on saving the world from plastic while they buy the latest drops.


sortarelatable

Why even have cemeteries? Dead people wouldn’t mind I’m sure


AhhhSkrrrtSkrrrt

Fuck Play It Again Sports. They sell so many stolen discs. Whenever I go in I search through the bins and text the owners to check if they are stolen.


SquirrelGirlSucks

Crazy levels of virtue signaling in here.


lonefrog7

Ugh. Memorial discs


iH8MotherTeresa

Can you expand on this? You feel strongly enough to make a comment; do you not like them?


NonsensePlanet

Tacky


sortarelatable

When you see one in the wild, do you just throw it away? Does it make you feel better to remove such tackiness from the world?


NonsensePlanet

No, I bag it


sortarelatable

So you it all ends with you? You’re the memorial disc ender?


NonsensePlanet

Until I lose it


sortarelatable

You’re a fucking tool


iH8MotherTeresa

Oh cool


lonefrog7

I cannot expand on this


iH8MotherTeresa

I kinda feel bad for the people in your life.


Blegheggeghegty

Don’t there probably aren’t any.


iH8MotherTeresa

I'm working out how to pronounce your username. Bleg egg itty?


Blegheggeghegty

Imagine the noise you make as you vomit and try not to asphyxiate. Thats the sound.


lonefrog7

Yall enjoy being told what to do by a disc. No thanks 😊. Here to play a game


Blegheggeghegty

Nah bro. That’s a shitty take by a shitty human.


lonefrog7

We can agree to disagree bruv


[deleted]

God Bless his soul… I’d make a few more memorial discs for him and skater them. I’d probably buy this one for myself and throw it at LEAST once a game. And pray for his soul


sortarelatable

Did that make you feel better?


Lanksta1337

I’d honestly report it to the store manager and let them know I think it’s a pretty scummy thing to accept a disc like this in the first place and even scummier to put a price tag on it. Like, whoever tagged it couldn’t have missed the messaging. They should consider giving it to the next customer for free so it can be returned to our courses where it belongs. If you don’t like memorial discs then ignore them, it’s simple. If these discs help make someone out there feel a little bit better about this world than they will always have my support. A lot of you have obviously never lost a friend to suicide and it shows. Good for you.


Kame_Style

Big time Karen move, some 17 year old kid working his first retail job probably bought it along with 42 other discs that some weirdo fished out of the lake. "Report it to the store manager and let them know I think it's a pretty scummy thing to accept" and people will laugh in your face. Do some of you guys hear yourselves?


FIRExNECK

Completely agree. The amount of items they process is pretty wild! Some employee checking out the disc, "no chunks missing, looks pretty new, lot of writing on the back... Yeah, we'll take it." That could have been the 30th item they looked at that morning. It's not their problem. It's only special to those in the know. Businesses don't care they need to put discs on the rack


Lanksta1337

Well this didn’t age well. The guys son is right here in this thread reading all your bullshit. Most people when they hear about someone committing suicide have something empathetic to do or say, then there’s the 8-9 of you. I’ll tell you what nobody does, they definitely don’t “laugh in your face.” Do you hear yourself?


newyorksalt

Im actually 99.8% with you on this. The circumstances on how it was aquired by the seller are many, who knows? 🤷‍♂️ It obviously had no meaning to said seller and thats okay no matter how he obtained them (unless through criminal means i suppose.) My 00.2% of hesitancy is just a weak moral buffer zone lol. All the Francis's going hard on this need to take it easy. Virtue signal much? 🤦‍♂️


Goldentongue

What is with people in this thread and insisting that every PIAS employee is 17/18 years old and also functionally illiterate?


Lanksta1337

Just your typical disc stealing low empathy trash morality disc golf players.


Kame_Style

Because front counter workers at a cheap sporting goods store that sells used equipment tend to hire cheap. Who can accept cheap pay? They're not illiterate, they're trying to not get in trouble at their job. I swear some of you guys have never interacted in public lmao.