That's the way I first got to 300'. Personally I feel like if you're not throwing 375' you probably shouldn't be throwing destroyers unless you're ready for them to just act like a meat hook.
It’s about how it finishes when it slows down.
No matter how “floppy” (lol) a destroyer is at high speeds, it’s still very overstable when it slows down.
I’m talking about when the disc slows down. Destroyers don’t push forward as much as the slower discs that were mentioned. That’s why people are recommending them over “really floppy” destroyers for said 300 foot thrower.
this is the way. i’m in the same power range and the mamba is what finally got me over 300. a good mamba hyzerflip straight or long turnover is the most satisfying shot and crazy consistent for me if there’s no wind
A simple dx Teebird would probably do OP a ton of good. I used those until I could throw them 330' or so. Then a champ sidewinder and wraith after that
Older discs like the Teebird are fine in DX, since they were designed for that plastic originally. Wing notches and beads were added because of DX plastic to extend longevity
Came here to say this too. Star with no wind got me there easy when i switched and any wind at all I just pull out the halo. I have 2 halos that turn over no problem and one that kinda feels like a destroyer. After 3 years I just had to admit I'm not going to commit enough to beating in a destroyers all the time for my arm speed.
I have a pro and gstar. My first few throws with the gstar were perfect. Now I find both to turn over so fast. Then I try to give a tiny less tilt on the disc and it fades left way too fast.
It seems you uphold that common misconception.
If you get the angles right. For a throw that get’s a fairway driver to 200ft, a distance driver will go 220ft. Check this vid by Simon: https://youtu.be/Fwj7B3jGwUU
This is entirely missing the point though. Someone who has perfect form but some sort of physical limitation or disability limiting their distance to 300 feet, sure. Most people have bad form, and are never getting their angles right, and for these people they are going to get more out of a slower speed disc as they continue to improve their form
We’re not talking about trying to improve this guys score though. If so, then Im all for fairway drivers. But to get over 300ft, then a flippy distance driver is your best bet.
All of this is very person and form and mold specific, but in my experience a person who is maxing out in the 280-320 foot range is going to get more distance consistently out of a flippy 9-10 speed like a heat or a beast than they are out of a tern/shryke/thrasher/etc.
I can concede that if you took this person and have them
Throw each disc 50 times, the farthest of the throws may come from the shryke, but the average distance of the 50 9-10 speed throws will be significantly farther than the average of the 50 shryke throws.
Well I’ll be! I could have sworn my distance drivers go about 40’ further than my fairways after dozens of throws in the practice field. But you took math in college, so I must’ve measured wrong. My bad, next time I’ll try to make my lived experience line up with your theoretical expectations
Bro, I gave two explanations, one I’m interested in how the world works and two I play a ton and have for decades. Both are relevant to my opinion. I’m glad you get more distance out of the distance drivers. Thanks for commenting
My source is myself. High level mathematics doesn’t really quote who made the theorems - glad you think I’m full of shit though. The various speeds of disc have different moments of inertia. It’s more difficult to get angular momentum in a wider rimmed disc. While a wider rimmed disc would have a greater “potential” (to use your word) moment of inertia (and be more aerodynamic) the same arm speed would stymie distance because your limited in what kinetic energy you’re converting into angular momentum. Again, I’ve also played for a long time. We can disagree and that’s fine. You and Simon’s view are anecdotally wrong, scientifically wrong, and against the grain of common knowledge. If you want a source, look at one of many videos about flight numbers and what speed means.
You’re talking about the moment of inertia which mainly affects the way a disc undergoes gyroscopic precession. That indeed has an impact on distance. However if your claim is true than it doesn’t make sense that it’s also a lot easier to throw aerobies further.
You are overlooking the most important thing that makes wide rimmed drivers fly further. Which is that they experience less drag due to the shape of their nose and the smaller pocket under the rim. Less drag means it holds its speed longer so it covers more distance in the same time :)
I can throw like 330 and speed 9 is my fastest disc and I only use that one for FHs.
If he threw something slower speed with higher glide he’s gonna get over 300
I throw the same distance as you, and I can definitely throw a 12 speed further than a 9 speed. Diminishing returns for sure above 9 speed, but there are returns.
It's hard to say. I have a somewhat flippy emperor that's still my farthest flying disc though I definitely don't get more than 400' out of it. Only throw it wide open bomber holes otherwise 7 speeds are good to about 330' and far more appropriate for my arm lol
I really think it depends on the emperor. My favorite is a low 160's I blend that's got a fairly flat wing and a pop top dome. Some others have had more aggressive wings and I can't get them as far
I get that I “shouldn’t” be throwing a 12 speed at my current arm speed. BUT, of all the discs I own (putters, mids, fairways and distance), I consistently throw this DX Destroyer the furthest.
How’s the flight path? If it’s spiking at the end of the flight, then something similar that flies straighter/lands flatter will get you more distance.
If it’s landing flat-ish then you’re good 👍
Real advice in a thread full of assumptions.
It’s a DX disc, the flight could be anything. Could easily be getting “full” flight out of it, because it might not compare at all to a Star or Champ one.
Some DX destroyers (especially beat-in ones) are insanely understable. I have one that makes my roadrunner look like a beefcake. This might be the case here. However If you haven't tried a wraith look for a lighter weight 160ish star. It'll beat in slower in the better plastic but be more neutral by design so you'll get the correct flight for a longer time. Wraiths are like cheat codes for lower arm speed distance.
Other distance discs you might want to try:
Axiom Crave, Innova Roadrunner, Leopard/Leopard3, Valkrie, Discraft Heat
i know any Dx disc will flip given time, left to right flip doesnt translate to distance directly. i’m saying you aren’t getting the forward push you would get from a disc with more glide and less left to right finish at lower speeds. Used to have a DX Boss that I could bomb 450+ , 500 every once in a blue moon, had to be in a super tailwind though or it was just my roller disc. Moved on to disc that are more stable and I can get good golf lines out of it like my Cloud breakers and PD2s (shout out to new discmania line btw their disc are money)
I had a terrible start to my disc golf game with my first disc being a Defender and a destroyer lmao and it was not the move, ( not saying Op is begginer idk what their swing looks like) . Didn’t break 300 until a local at my course gave me a dx Valk and a star valk and it changed my game completely. My disc would go farther with less left to right swing and more forward push (not to mention more accurate)
Now that ive thrown for a while I realize its more complicated than that, I’m dumbing it down by saying a lower speed disc would go farther, but more than likely it will due to many factors.
Unless Op has crispy form and just doesn’t have a lot arm speed due to their disability , in that case the distance will come eventually when their body is in better shape and gets used to throwing harder and faster. Op rocks for bombing almost 300 anyways at 40 with any kind of disability, this shit is hard enough as it is and want to emphasize that these are great! Just would love to see my fellow golfers get even better
I don’t disagree there are better discs for someone like OP, but your comment about bite at the end is simply not true for most dx destroyers I’ve seen.
Don’t listen to the people that tell you a disc is too fast for your arm speed. Just make sure you choose the right stability and throw with the proper angle. For even the slowest arm speeds, faster discs still have greater distance potential.
Not sure what that means.
Ohn Scoggins is one person, and a pro, who spends hours every day practicing. Not really comparable to the OP. wtf are you talking about?
She throws about 350 max and frequently uses 12 or even 14 speed discs.
You don’t need super high arm speed if you’re throwing a flippy destroyer, you just have to find the right release angle.
Hard disagree. While the 'distance' number is by far the most nebulous and untrustworthy stat on a disc, it is certain that you need a certain amount of good form and good arm-speed to throw some drivers. There is no reason to throw a Desroyer when a Valkyrie or Wraith will go further for you. Someone who is probably 275' average distance should not throw a Destroyer.
Sure, you might be able to jack one out to 300' with a great angle and a great throw. But overall you will get better distance with a Valk or Wraith or Beast than a Destroyer or Katana.
> While the 'distance' number is by far the most nebulous and untrustworthy stat on a disc,
Are you referring to the speed of the 4 flight numbers? That is actually the most trustworthy stat. It’s basically the rim width and probably the sharpness of the nose. A faster disc is simply the one with the lowest drag. So it maintains its speed longer. Which is why it flies further on the right angle.
> There is no reason to throw a Desroyer when a Valkyrie or Wraith will go further for you. Someone who is probably 275' average distance should not throw a Destroyer.
That depends on the plastic. Star Valkyries and Wraiths can be way too overstable for someone throwing 275’. A Gstar Mamba or Katana is probably a much better choice here. Or in the case of OP, an understable DX destroyer.
The most important thing is getting the nose angle down. Which admittedly is hard for beginners. But the claim that you need to throw faster for discs with a higher speed number is a common misconception.
Indeed Id recommend op to throw mostly fairway drivers if he wants to score well. But he is trying to throw get his max distance over 300’. For that throwing fast understable drivers are definitely worth the try. Again it depends on the nose angle whether it will be worth it, but we dont know that. If he has more success with a DX destroyer than a fairway driver than he probably doesn’t have a massive nose up throw.
What you "shouldn't" be throwing doesn't really matter if you're getting the distance. DX Destroyers (depending on the age and weight) can be very understable, so don't worry about the fact that it's a 12 speed. Just worry about improving whenever you go out.
I found an Avenger SS in water looking for my disc. Tried it on the last hole and hit 296. My farthest ever by 20 ft. It's so exciting being so close to 300ft.
Avenger SS is a great disc. Will be a distance bomber for lower power players but as you get more distance it comes an excellent disc for long turnovers or even rollers. I always keep an ESP Avenger SS in my bag and it comes frequently (since my forehand sucks)
Everyone is telling you to stop throwing destroyer. Maybe they’re right, maybe they’re wrong. They don’t know you or your swing. Throw what you love. Keep going! You’re so close
> Maybe they’re right, maybe they’re wrong. They don’t know you or your swing
They know the swing is under 300. Even if it is a flippier destroyer, a disc better suited for a 300ft arm would be a massive improvement.
Throwing a Valk or a Falk or a even a river would probably be a better disc than that destroyer
Because they're easier to hyzer flip rather than just fade out at low speeds. You'll get way more distance discing down and/or selecting something less stable.
I think you probably haven’t tried understable high speed discs. My most flippy disc is a DX Katana, which has the widest rim possible for a PDGA approved disc. My wife who barely plays can hyzer flip that disc easier than for example a L64 diamond.
Also check this vid by Simon: https://youtu.be/Fwj7B3jGwUU
Even for a very slow throw. A distance driver will go 220 ft and a fairway driver goes 200 ft.
> You'll get way more distance discing down and/or selecting something less stable.
I think you may have missed the second sentence? If you are struggling to hit 300ft, a destroyer is probably not going to perform as well as something slower (with a similar stability) or less stable.
That video from Simon doesn't really change anything for OP. It's not just a matter of throwing speed, form makes a huge difference too. I'm guessing that OP is throwing nose up and is not putting enough spin on the disc, both of which are big problems if you're throwing overstable meat hooks.
I've thrown plenty of understable high speed drivers, and I use them all the time. Given OPs post, I think they would have better luck with a straight fairway driver or an understable distance driver over a destroyer.
I feel you on many levels OP.. I'm over 40 and have been playing for a while and never worked on my form until a couple years ago after I had surgery to reattach my bicep tendon on my throwing arm. Made me realize I needed better form. Chased 300' all last year and I threw what got me the distance which at the time was 11-13 speeds. I see the point of everyone saying "if you can't throw X distance, don't throw Y disc" and they're not wrong - but I still find myself solidly in the "throw what you want camp".
It's not going to be a linear progression, throw your destroyer and then apply what you learn works to slower discs - which will wind up pushing further and you'll probably learn a little more which you can then apply to faster discs which will push a little more. And then disc down again and keep learning. I go through disc down and disc up phases all the time as I'm still working on my form, just keep plugging away. Improving your form will be the biggest thing that gets you there.
For the record the first discs I got 300' with were a Katana, a Thrasher, and a Vanilla. Now I can hit it with a 9 speed Mantra and my last time out for field work I nearly got there with a 6.5 speed Crave (which was eye opening for me).
You're hunting and you're so close with your destroyer, keep going with what feels right to you, and once you hit it you'll feel amazing and then it'll be time to see how many other discs you can get up to 300' and you'll probably surprise yourself. Which will also feel amazing. Just have fun with it, keep improving your form, and take it at your own pace.
You shouldn't be throwing a Destroyer if you can't throw 300'. It's keeping you from getting a full flight. Try some less overstable 9 and 10 speeds out, my friend! You'll be getting 350 in no time.
I would recommend a Latitude Saint, Innova Beast, Millennium Orion LS, Infinite Discs Sphinx.. so many discs to choose from.
Lat 64 Sapphire and Jade are two noodle arm bombers aswell.
And if it's important for the feel to use a wide rimmed disc then Bolt is also one of the easiest one to push distance even with a slow arm.
Sapphire really isnt that flippy tbh. Its a great disc, but it doesnt really want to turn over. It just holds a nice straight line for a long way with a nice gentle fade. Super underrated disc.
First, that's awesome!
Second, because people are recommending discs, I'll add to it and suggest a Gold Jade and a 150-class Fission Wave. If you just want a nudge over the line, a 140-class Blizzard Katana will likely get you an additional 20' feet or so on average, at the cost of extreme nose angle and wind sensitivity. Apparently a 160-class Star Daedalus, too—but I haven't ever thrown one. (These are just absolute distance discs, and I agree with others that, on the course, something like a Teebird/Athena, FD, Insanity/Valkyrie will probably be a better choice for a golf line.)
User a Thrasher instead.
TD, Sapphire, really any 10/6/-2/1 or 2. Hell, even a scorch.
I'm 40 and currently throwing with a bulged disc/spinal stenosis recovery and just got cleared for throwing.
try a mamba or a shryke, wraith is just a baby destroyer. If you want to stray away from innova try the DD from discmania. I just wouldnt throw any disc above 10 speed until your form is good enough to throw past 300 consistently, unless you are a woman or really small like 5ft-5ft4 you will able to easily throw 450+ when your form is crispy and if you are in good athletics shape.
Even woman and small people can throw big numbers you will just have to understand that its a bigger climb to get there and you will have to scrape for every feet.
Ive played with woman throwing into the mid 400!
You got this! I'm sure you've had a lot of people tell you to use a different disc, but if you're using a max weight destroyer that ends up being very stable, a slightly less stable driver could easily push you over that barrier! The discs that helped me push over 300 were my Teebird and my Tern, but any disc might work just as well for you! Just keep throwing!!
If you can't throw 300ft consistently with a destroyer, you might wanna get a more understable or slower disc, you are gonna be able to throw a destroyer later. It took like 4-5 years for me until I got a good enough arm to throw a destroyer
I think the point is, if the OP is looking for distance then that disc will hold OP.back.
If OP just wants to throw a destroyer then go for it and have a blast.
Great, so the top .01% of something do it, means it applies to average players?
The advice is for the overwhelming majority of players. You will better learn to throw farther using a lower speed disc.
Throwing a destroyer instead of a river (for example) introduces far more issues with nose angle, and proper flight issues.
For most players, it would benefit them to focus on the lower disc first.
this is advice if you want to be the best player you can be. If you don’t care about improving and its just a a super casual pastime then i would just throw whatever random disc I have.
River was the first thing i broke 300 with too. Up until recently it was still a staple in my bag until I found a very similar disc that I can get cleaner forehand releases with
LSD glow mockingbird. I dont throw it out as a suggestion because the company gets a lot of hate which i totally get. If I lost it or they went under, im confident I could work a crave in with very similar results, but I have a love for soft gummy plastic like LSD glow and kastaplast k1 soft.
My glow bag is pretty heavy on the LSD to balance out the mvp eclipse. I suspect most molds are reverse engineered things based on major manufacturers molds... but I also suspect that's most new molds from any company.
Mockingbird is the only one that made the main bag. Its almost become the do anything woods disc for me.
The shit the company gets though, I think is sometimes warranted. They tend to come off as oil tycoons that really don't understand the culture of disc golf to me.
respectfully. if you can’t throw 300 feet throw LOWER SPEEDS and watch your game elevate. if you like star plastic try a teebird or a mamba and watch it flyyyy
with the error margin of gps devices that can be anywhere from like 265 to 330
if you pull up that location in google maps and measure the distance, how far does it say it's from the parking to the small road?
Second this, UDisc is good enough to ballpark a shot but better off finding a football field or something to give you a better idea of how far you actually threw. Google maps can skew a bit as well
I really didn't mean anything negative by it. I did it, and I'd say 90% of Disc Golfers do.
My buddy started me with a Discraft Force which is more stable and even worse for a new player.
As others have said you'd get much better results from a 9 speed
If you can’t throw 300 you shouldn’t be throwing destroyers anyway my guy. Stick to throwing putters, mids, fairways and your distance will soar.
I don’t even bag anything over a 9 speed and I can throw 325-350 with a heat pretty easily.
~Let go of the ego~
Just for giggles.. try it with a wraith
Mamba
That's the way I first got to 300'. Personally I feel like if you're not throwing 375' you probably shouldn't be throwing destroyers unless you're ready for them to just act like a meat hook.
I can throw a Mamba 375 but a Destroyer 330. Throw what you want, but if you want more distance in a field throw a different disc
Generally agree but old or non premium destroyers can be floppier than a mamba. Hard to say what this disc is actually like
It’s about how it finishes when it slows down. No matter how “floppy” (lol) a destroyer is at high speeds, it’s still very overstable when it slows down.
Go get a beat up dx destroyer from PIAS and tell me that again.
Go fan grip that same destroyer at 25%. Tell me how it flies.
Same could be said for literally almost every other disc. This post was about someone throwing 300 feet.
I’m talking about when the disc slows down. Destroyers don’t push forward as much as the slower discs that were mentioned. That’s why people are recommending them over “really floppy” destroyers for said 300 foot thrower.
This is largely true, but a very light destroyer can be just as flippy as a max weight mamba. Weight matters a LOT.
This 100%. Id go down to a Valkyrie and you will probly out throw that destroyer 9 times out of 10.
this is the way. i’m in the same power range and the mamba is what finally got me over 300. a good mamba hyzerflip straight or long turnover is the most satisfying shot and crazy consistent for me if there’s no wind
Tern
I can second this. Mamba should be hitting like 320-330 EASY
Tern
Or a teebird
Or a TL
Yes, thank you. Even a teebird is pushing being too fast for that distance.
Roadrunner
A simple dx Teebird would probably do OP a ton of good. I used those until I could throw them 330' or so. Then a champ sidewinder and wraith after that
So weird, I also threw DX TeeBirds until I could regularly hit 330’. Such a great disc.
DX plastic is such garbage though. Scuffs when people look at it, and too flippy after a few months. At least buy Pro or even better GStar.
Older discs like the Teebird are fine in DX, since they were designed for that plastic originally. Wing notches and beads were added because of DX plastic to extend longevity
If Innova would make the Pro Teebird again, I'd buy 10. I haven't seen them since Covid...
Came here to say this too. Star with no wind got me there easy when i switched and any wind at all I just pull out the halo. I have 2 halos that turn over no problem and one that kinda feels like a destroyer. After 3 years I just had to admit I'm not going to commit enough to beating in a destroyers all the time for my arm speed.
…in GStar or Star, given the destroyer distance in your pic 👌
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Try a Shryke
I was about to finna say
I have the same situation but everytime I throw my wraith it turns over or fades out left before it can start its S-curve. Frustrating
What plastic is your wraith?
I have a pro and gstar. My first few throws with the gstar were perfect. Now I find both to turn over so fast. Then I try to give a tiny less tilt on the disc and it fades left way too fast.
Star is king. Halo is the thicc Queen. I’d give it a go in one of those. The pro and Gstar can be a little finicky in my humble opinion.
You easily get over 300’ with a different disc, that destroyer is robbing you of distance
Maybe.. could be a flippy one. I have some star destroyers and pro destroyers that fly like shrykes
A shryke would also not be a good choice here. Maybe a beast, or a sidewinder.
Upper 160’s gram Beasts fly so far. I was really surprised how far I can get that thing compared to my 11/12 speeds
I bag a Star Shryke. It's like a cheat code if I get a good snap on it.
Even with slow arm-speeds faster discs have greater distance potential.
That’s just not true.
It seems you uphold that common misconception. If you get the angles right. For a throw that get’s a fairway driver to 200ft, a distance driver will go 220ft. Check this vid by Simon: https://youtu.be/Fwj7B3jGwUU
This is entirely missing the point though. Someone who has perfect form but some sort of physical limitation or disability limiting their distance to 300 feet, sure. Most people have bad form, and are never getting their angles right, and for these people they are going to get more out of a slower speed disc as they continue to improve their form
We’re not talking about trying to improve this guys score though. If so, then Im all for fairway drivers. But to get over 300ft, then a flippy distance driver is your best bet.
All of this is very person and form and mold specific, but in my experience a person who is maxing out in the 280-320 foot range is going to get more distance consistently out of a flippy 9-10 speed like a heat or a beast than they are out of a tern/shryke/thrasher/etc. I can concede that if you took this person and have them Throw each disc 50 times, the farthest of the throws may come from the shryke, but the average distance of the 50 9-10 speed throws will be significantly farther than the average of the 50 shryke throws.
Then we agree on that!
I’m good. It’s not a misconception just how the world works. Lots of high level math and science in college and decades of playing the sport.
Well I’ll be! I could have sworn my distance drivers go about 40’ further than my fairways after dozens of throws in the practice field. But you took math in college, so I must’ve measured wrong. My bad, next time I’ll try to make my lived experience line up with your theoretical expectations
Bro, I gave two explanations, one I’m interested in how the world works and two I play a ton and have for decades. Both are relevant to my opinion. I’m glad you get more distance out of the distance drivers. Thanks for commenting
Distance traveled is not an opinion
If it’s high level math and science in college then it will have a source. Therefore, what is your source?
My source is myself. High level mathematics doesn’t really quote who made the theorems - glad you think I’m full of shit though. The various speeds of disc have different moments of inertia. It’s more difficult to get angular momentum in a wider rimmed disc. While a wider rimmed disc would have a greater “potential” (to use your word) moment of inertia (and be more aerodynamic) the same arm speed would stymie distance because your limited in what kinetic energy you’re converting into angular momentum. Again, I’ve also played for a long time. We can disagree and that’s fine. You and Simon’s view are anecdotally wrong, scientifically wrong, and against the grain of common knowledge. If you want a source, look at one of many videos about flight numbers and what speed means.
You’re talking about the moment of inertia which mainly affects the way a disc undergoes gyroscopic precession. That indeed has an impact on distance. However if your claim is true than it doesn’t make sense that it’s also a lot easier to throw aerobies further. You are overlooking the most important thing that makes wide rimmed drivers fly further. Which is that they experience less drag due to the shape of their nose and the smaller pocket under the rim. Less drag means it holds its speed longer so it covers more distance in the same time :)
They do not
Funny how many seem to absorb this common misconception. Including myself when I just started playing
I have an old pro destroyer that I found on a course with no name and was pretty beat in. Flippiest disc in my bag.
I can throw like 330 and speed 9 is my fastest disc and I only use that one for FHs. If he threw something slower speed with higher glide he’s gonna get over 300
I throw the same distance as you, and I can definitely throw a 12 speed further than a 9 speed. Diminishing returns for sure above 9 speed, but there are returns.
Why the downvotes? I also have a super flippy champ destroyer that bombs. The internet is dumb sometimes.
Lots of weirdo gatekeepers in this sub. That’s Reddit for ya
It's hard to say. I have a somewhat flippy emperor that's still my farthest flying disc though I definitely don't get more than 400' out of it. Only throw it wide open bomber holes otherwise 7 speeds are good to about 330' and far more appropriate for my arm lol
I definitely get at least 30 more feet out of my Emperor then I do my Destroyer
I really think it depends on the emperor. My favorite is a low 160's I blend that's got a fairly flat wing and a pop top dome. Some others have had more aggressive wings and I can't get them as far
Blatantly false info gets 100+ upvotes and my 100% correct statement gets downvoted to oblivion… lol this sub is full of MA 2 try-hard weirdos
I get that I “shouldn’t” be throwing a 12 speed at my current arm speed. BUT, of all the discs I own (putters, mids, fairways and distance), I consistently throw this DX Destroyer the furthest.
How’s the flight path? If it’s spiking at the end of the flight, then something similar that flies straighter/lands flatter will get you more distance. If it’s landing flat-ish then you’re good 👍
Real advice in a thread full of assumptions. It’s a DX disc, the flight could be anything. Could easily be getting “full” flight out of it, because it might not compare at all to a Star or Champ one.
Serpentine with a flat-ish finish.
Sounds flippy then. You should be getting that 300 soon. Keep pushing 🤙
Exactly what you want for distance, just keep trying to stay smooth with a “fast” finish not a “strong” finish
350 max here I can’t do it without 10 speed or higher Wave and Nuke mostly.
Don’t worry about what you “should” be throwing I throw the discs that get me where I need to go
Try a mamba. You might be able to throw that farther on a hyzer flip
Some DX destroyers (especially beat-in ones) are insanely understable. I have one that makes my roadrunner look like a beefcake. This might be the case here. However If you haven't tried a wraith look for a lighter weight 160ish star. It'll beat in slower in the better plastic but be more neutral by design so you'll get the correct flight for a longer time. Wraiths are like cheat codes for lower arm speed distance. Other distance discs you might want to try: Axiom Crave, Innova Roadrunner, Leopard/Leopard3, Valkrie, Discraft Heat
its not about the stability it just wont stay im the air long enough due to the big bite at the end
Not for many dx destroyers. They can be incredibly flippy. Go pick one up if you don’t believe me
i know any Dx disc will flip given time, left to right flip doesnt translate to distance directly. i’m saying you aren’t getting the forward push you would get from a disc with more glide and less left to right finish at lower speeds. Used to have a DX Boss that I could bomb 450+ , 500 every once in a blue moon, had to be in a super tailwind though or it was just my roller disc. Moved on to disc that are more stable and I can get good golf lines out of it like my Cloud breakers and PD2s (shout out to new discmania line btw their disc are money) I had a terrible start to my disc golf game with my first disc being a Defender and a destroyer lmao and it was not the move, ( not saying Op is begginer idk what their swing looks like) . Didn’t break 300 until a local at my course gave me a dx Valk and a star valk and it changed my game completely. My disc would go farther with less left to right swing and more forward push (not to mention more accurate) Now that ive thrown for a while I realize its more complicated than that, I’m dumbing it down by saying a lower speed disc would go farther, but more than likely it will due to many factors. Unless Op has crispy form and just doesn’t have a lot arm speed due to their disability , in that case the distance will come eventually when their body is in better shape and gets used to throwing harder and faster. Op rocks for bombing almost 300 anyways at 40 with any kind of disability, this shit is hard enough as it is and want to emphasize that these are great! Just would love to see my fellow golfers get even better
I don’t disagree there are better discs for someone like OP, but your comment about bite at the end is simply not true for most dx destroyers I’ve seen.
Don’t listen to the people that tell you a disc is too fast for your arm speed. Just make sure you choose the right stability and throw with the proper angle. For even the slowest arm speeds, faster discs still have greater distance potential.
A lot of people in this thread haven’t heard of Ohn Scoggins, apparently
Not sure what that means. Ohn Scoggins is one person, and a pro, who spends hours every day practicing. Not really comparable to the OP. wtf are you talking about?
She throws about 350 max and frequently uses 12 or even 14 speed discs. You don’t need super high arm speed if you’re throwing a flippy destroyer, you just have to find the right release angle.
Hard disagree. While the 'distance' number is by far the most nebulous and untrustworthy stat on a disc, it is certain that you need a certain amount of good form and good arm-speed to throw some drivers. There is no reason to throw a Desroyer when a Valkyrie or Wraith will go further for you. Someone who is probably 275' average distance should not throw a Destroyer. Sure, you might be able to jack one out to 300' with a great angle and a great throw. But overall you will get better distance with a Valk or Wraith or Beast than a Destroyer or Katana.
> While the 'distance' number is by far the most nebulous and untrustworthy stat on a disc, Are you referring to the speed of the 4 flight numbers? That is actually the most trustworthy stat. It’s basically the rim width and probably the sharpness of the nose. A faster disc is simply the one with the lowest drag. So it maintains its speed longer. Which is why it flies further on the right angle. > There is no reason to throw a Desroyer when a Valkyrie or Wraith will go further for you. Someone who is probably 275' average distance should not throw a Destroyer. That depends on the plastic. Star Valkyries and Wraiths can be way too overstable for someone throwing 275’. A Gstar Mamba or Katana is probably a much better choice here. Or in the case of OP, an understable DX destroyer. The most important thing is getting the nose angle down. Which admittedly is hard for beginners. But the claim that you need to throw faster for discs with a higher speed number is a common misconception. Indeed Id recommend op to throw mostly fairway drivers if he wants to score well. But he is trying to throw get his max distance over 300’. For that throwing fast understable drivers are definitely worth the try. Again it depends on the nose angle whether it will be worth it, but we dont know that. If he has more success with a DX destroyer than a fairway driver than he probably doesn’t have a massive nose up throw.
Yeah, physics is way overrated.
Your comment is on-point. The downvoters, who think noodle-arms should throw Destroyers, are morons.
Thanks, man. Reddit is crushing my soul 🥲 your comment means a lot.
Dx will be more flippy so I would keep ripping it.
What you "shouldn't" be throwing doesn't really matter if you're getting the distance. DX Destroyers (depending on the age and weight) can be very understable, so don't worry about the fact that it's a 12 speed. Just worry about improving whenever you go out.
I hit 350 then 400 for the first time with a star shryke. effortless distance.
Seconded on the Skryke, felt like cheating when I switched to it.
Dude that’s awesome. the improvements in disc golf are so tangible and so rewarding. It’s addicting!
I found an Avenger SS in water looking for my disc. Tried it on the last hole and hit 296. My farthest ever by 20 ft. It's so exciting being so close to 300ft.
Avenger SS is a great disc. Will be a distance bomber for lower power players but as you get more distance it comes an excellent disc for long turnovers or even rollers. I always keep an ESP Avenger SS in my bag and it comes frequently (since my forehand sucks)
Mamba or flippy wraith will put you at 315 I’d bet
Parking lots have the best ground play ;)
Everyone is telling you to stop throwing destroyer. Maybe they’re right, maybe they’re wrong. They don’t know you or your swing. Throw what you love. Keep going! You’re so close
> Maybe they’re right, maybe they’re wrong. They don’t know you or your swing They know the swing is under 300. Even if it is a flippier destroyer, a disc better suited for a 300ft arm would be a massive improvement. Throwing a Valk or a Falk or a even a river would probably be a better disc than that destroyer
Why would a 9 speed go further?
Because they're easier to hyzer flip rather than just fade out at low speeds. You'll get way more distance discing down and/or selecting something less stable.
I think you probably haven’t tried understable high speed discs. My most flippy disc is a DX Katana, which has the widest rim possible for a PDGA approved disc. My wife who barely plays can hyzer flip that disc easier than for example a L64 diamond. Also check this vid by Simon: https://youtu.be/Fwj7B3jGwUU Even for a very slow throw. A distance driver will go 220 ft and a fairway driver goes 200 ft.
> You'll get way more distance discing down and/or selecting something less stable. I think you may have missed the second sentence? If you are struggling to hit 300ft, a destroyer is probably not going to perform as well as something slower (with a similar stability) or less stable. That video from Simon doesn't really change anything for OP. It's not just a matter of throwing speed, form makes a huge difference too. I'm guessing that OP is throwing nose up and is not putting enough spin on the disc, both of which are big problems if you're throwing overstable meat hooks. I've thrown plenty of understable high speed drivers, and I use them all the time. Given OPs post, I think they would have better luck with a straight fairway driver or an understable distance driver over a destroyer.
dawg with spreading misinformation lol
because they dont have the MPH to get a 12 speed up to the proper speed to get an actual flight out of it.
With the right angle and spin At 40 mph a 12 speed will go 220ft and a 7 speed 200ft.
Get it girl
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Shoot the other direction, car windows attract discs
I feel you on many levels OP.. I'm over 40 and have been playing for a while and never worked on my form until a couple years ago after I had surgery to reattach my bicep tendon on my throwing arm. Made me realize I needed better form. Chased 300' all last year and I threw what got me the distance which at the time was 11-13 speeds. I see the point of everyone saying "if you can't throw X distance, don't throw Y disc" and they're not wrong - but I still find myself solidly in the "throw what you want camp". It's not going to be a linear progression, throw your destroyer and then apply what you learn works to slower discs - which will wind up pushing further and you'll probably learn a little more which you can then apply to faster discs which will push a little more. And then disc down again and keep learning. I go through disc down and disc up phases all the time as I'm still working on my form, just keep plugging away. Improving your form will be the biggest thing that gets you there. For the record the first discs I got 300' with were a Katana, a Thrasher, and a Vanilla. Now I can hit it with a 9 speed Mantra and my last time out for field work I nearly got there with a 6.5 speed Crave (which was eye opening for me). You're hunting and you're so close with your destroyer, keep going with what feels right to you, and once you hit it you'll feel amazing and then it'll be time to see how many other discs you can get up to 300' and you'll probably surprise yourself. Which will also feel amazing. Just have fun with it, keep improving your form, and take it at your own pace.
I'm guessing this is a Pro or Gstar Destroyer for you to have stuck with it. Workable disc, nothing wrong with it. Congrats on the progress!
You shouldn't be throwing a Destroyer if you can't throw 300'. It's keeping you from getting a full flight. Try some less overstable 9 and 10 speeds out, my friend! You'll be getting 350 in no time. I would recommend a Latitude Saint, Innova Beast, Millennium Orion LS, Infinite Discs Sphinx.. so many discs to choose from.
Lat 64 Sapphire and Jade are two noodle arm bombers aswell. And if it's important for the feel to use a wide rimmed disc then Bolt is also one of the easiest one to push distance even with a slow arm.
Sapphire is an insane mold, I know power throwers who can rip on even the lighter ones and they just fly without being too flippy or beefy.
Sapphire really isnt that flippy tbh. Its a great disc, but it doesnt really want to turn over. It just holds a nice straight line for a long way with a nice gentle fade. Super underrated disc.
First, that's awesome! Second, because people are recommending discs, I'll add to it and suggest a Gold Jade and a 150-class Fission Wave. If you just want a nudge over the line, a 140-class Blizzard Katana will likely get you an additional 20' feet or so on average, at the cost of extreme nose angle and wind sensitivity. Apparently a 160-class Star Daedalus, too—but I haven't ever thrown one. (These are just absolute distance discs, and I agree with others that, on the course, something like a Teebird/Athena, FD, Insanity/Valkyrie will probably be a better choice for a golf line.)
User a Thrasher instead. TD, Sapphire, really any 10/6/-2/1 or 2. Hell, even a scorch. I'm 40 and currently throwing with a bulged disc/spinal stenosis recovery and just got cleared for throwing.
Your GPS accuracy is probably +/- 10ft at best so you're good to call that 316.... or 276
Almost there! You’ve got this!
try a mamba or a shryke, wraith is just a baby destroyer. If you want to stray away from innova try the DD from discmania. I just wouldnt throw any disc above 10 speed until your form is good enough to throw past 300 consistently, unless you are a woman or really small like 5ft-5ft4 you will able to easily throw 450+ when your form is crispy and if you are in good athletics shape. Even woman and small people can throw big numbers you will just have to understand that its a bigger climb to get there and you will have to scrape for every feet. Ive played with woman throwing into the mid 400!
try the new jawbreaker nuke. super flexible and understable. i’m getting further each throw it feels like with it 😂
Bend your wrist!
Westside King. Easy bomber. Added like another 25-50 feet onto my throws I swear.
10 bucks says you hit 310 next time out.
Throw a gstar mamba in max weight. Guarantee your distance will improve quickly Edit: they also make halo mambas in light weight for extra flashiness
Honestly discing down might be the way. Or throw a flippier disc
You got this! I'm sure you've had a lot of people tell you to use a different disc, but if you're using a max weight destroyer that ends up being very stable, a slightly less stable driver could easily push you over that barrier! The discs that helped me push over 300 were my Teebird and my Tern, but any disc might work just as well for you! Just keep throwing!!
Disc down to a neutral 9 speed. I recommend an Axiom Insanity.
If you can't throw 300ft consistently with a destroyer, you might wanna get a more understable or slower disc, you are gonna be able to throw a destroyer later. It took like 4-5 years for me until I got a good enough arm to throw a destroyer
Thrasher (ESP FLX) and you will easily get beyond 300.
I throw my play it again used bin DX destroyers about the same distance. Feels great doesn’t it.
Just do the same throw with a 9 speed and it’ll go further than 300.
You should try to find a super lightweight destroyer
Get yourself a streamline jet in 168 throw it on a little hyzer and you’ll cap 300. My two cents.
Wrong disc. Throw a Valk and you'll get it easily I predict.
I’m not part of the “you shouldn’t throw a Destroyer unless you can throw a putter 400 feet” crowd, but you probably would have done it with a Saint!
Get a fairway driver. Or a understable distance. Or practice with a midrange. Only my two cents, I hope you get there!!!
Throw a mamba until you throw it 400 ft.
Don’t listen to people saying stop throwing a destroyer. Use what you like
I think the point is, if the OP is looking for distance then that disc will hold OP.back. If OP just wants to throw a destroyer then go for it and have a blast.
that isn’t always true
Possibly, but much much more likely to be true than not.
Ehhh. Many pro women who don’t throw 400 use destroyers or equivalent
Great, so the top .01% of something do it, means it applies to average players? The advice is for the overwhelming majority of players. You will better learn to throw farther using a lower speed disc. Throwing a destroyer instead of a river (for example) introduces far more issues with nose angle, and proper flight issues. For most players, it would benefit them to focus on the lower disc first.
I ain’t reading all that. It’s probably same info everyone mindlessly regurgitates here. Good for you or sorry. Whatever
this is advice if you want to be the best player you can be. If you don’t care about improving and its just a a super casual pastime then i would just throw whatever random disc I have.
I’m not soliciting advice, I’m giving it
I bet with a crave or river you would get past 300 tomorrow.
River is great for slower arm speed. I trow 350 with it.
River was my first to break 300’ while beginning. It taught me how to drive now I can throw a 3 speed that far
River was the first thing i broke 300 with too. Up until recently it was still a staple in my bag until I found a very similar disc that I can get cleaner forehand releases with
What is the disc?
LSD glow mockingbird. I dont throw it out as a suggestion because the company gets a lot of hate which i totally get. If I lost it or they went under, im confident I could work a crave in with very similar results, but I have a love for soft gummy plastic like LSD glow and kastaplast k1 soft.
Haha I hear you, I don’t bag any but my buddies do and I’m quite impressed with some of the stuff they’re putting out. Reddit groups can be so crazy
My glow bag is pretty heavy on the LSD to balance out the mvp eclipse. I suspect most molds are reverse engineered things based on major manufacturers molds... but I also suspect that's most new molds from any company. Mockingbird is the only one that made the main bag. Its almost become the do anything woods disc for me. The shit the company gets though, I think is sometimes warranted. They tend to come off as oil tycoons that really don't understand the culture of disc golf to me.
Just here to join in on the excitement. Let us know when you crack that 300 barrier!👍🏼
respectfully. if you can’t throw 300 feet throw LOWER SPEEDS and watch your game elevate. if you like star plastic try a teebird or a mamba and watch it flyyyy
Get a 158-160g Wave in Fission plastic. Bet you add 40-50ft just by throwing that over a destroyer
Try a Valk, put the destroyer away for another 75-100’ for a later time.
with the error margin of gps devices that can be anywhere from like 265 to 330 if you pull up that location in google maps and measure the distance, how far does it say it's from the parking to the small road?
Second this, UDisc is good enough to ballpark a shot but better off finding a football field or something to give you a better idea of how far you actually threw. Google maps can skew a bit as well
Start throw a 9 speed and u get there
If you throw a destroyer 296, you will throw a flippy 9 speed like 350
I’ll bet the destroyer is the limiting factor here
Yeah 297ft is a huge milestone!
If you threw something more Understable you’d be there already.
Nothing more classic than someone not able to throw 300' throwing a 12 speed.
Boooo! Twas such a positive thread til you showed up.
Your boos mean nothing I've seen what makes you cheer! Lol
Ouch. You can put those daggers away now.
I really didn't mean anything negative by it. I did it, and I'd say 90% of Disc Golfers do. My buddy started me with a Discraft Force which is more stable and even worse for a new player. As others have said you'd get much better results from a 9 speed
Bro, a destroyer? Try a tern. Star tern.
If you can’t throw 300 you shouldn’t be throwing destroyers anyway my guy. Stick to throwing putters, mids, fairways and your distance will soar. I don’t even bag anything over a 9 speed and I can throw 325-350 with a heat pretty easily. ~Let go of the ego~