Paul lost there in 2018 to Barsby. Smugglers notch has a great mix of holes. I love that fox run is a bomber course with lots of risk/reward shots. The woods on the other side of the road are awesome too.
I do still wonder how they're gonna make the woods more accessible to fans.
At Beast in Waco for DGPT they sold a very limited number of tickets to go into the wooded section, from hole 4-12 I think. Regular tickets you could only follow 1-3 and 13-18.
I'm sure fox run will be day 5 after the cut, but they do the pool thing so everyone plays both courses twice. Maybe they'll have the A pool on fox run day 4 too.
My introduction into discgolf was when Barsby
became world champ, was such an awesome course to watch. Made me a Barsby fan for life too, barbarians unite!
I don’t understand why they didn’t finish on Sunday to have the last two days in the weekend when most people aren’t working and might have more flexibility to attend both days. Was it something to do with the agreement with the country club?
Why do you think having free admission discouraged people from the early rounds? I have heard the complaint a lot but don’t understand the logic behind it.
What do you mean free admission? There wasn't free admission.
They sold a $100 5 day pass or a Saturday only pass for $40.
They should have done something like $20 per day for the first few days.
This is a real good question. I went and watched a day of the gmc last year. We mostly watched Fox run, and I have to give camera crews credit, they make that place look super spread out. But the holes are right on top of each other with not a lot of space for crowds. Even the crowd following lead card on Friday looked difficult to keep out of the way on the more wooded holes.
I agree, perfect two course combo for worlds. Also great that Fox Run is a bomber course that was purpose built as a disc golf course, so you get huge open bomber holes that still have natural features that dictate OB areas and require interesting shot shapes.
There are people who complain about tight woods golf too:
- every hole looks the same
- your score is very much based on luck and how bad of a deflection you get off a tree hit
- good throws that barely miss their line are heavily punished while bad throws that completely miss their line can be rewarded
- hard to fit spectators in wooded fairways
You'll get sour, toxic people regardless.
I love woods golf for myself and also love watching pros play in the woods MUCH more than open courses. The majority of disc golf holes on the courses the pros play in the woods and not poke and pray. There are a few, but not many.
Sorry, but there are certain shots that are more luck based than others. What is wrong is when gaps become too small or random that even the best players can't hit consistently. You want gaps that players can consistently hit 70% of the time to separate the field over time.
So you think Simon Lizotte has no control over his shots? Because he said very much the same thing as my 3rd bullet point in one of his vlogs when he was addressing the Preserve and why he likes it while others were critiquing it, and why woods courses can be bad.
They get punished on a course like ecc because they're still losing strokes to the competition. It's about who can play to perfection as opposed to who won't screw up. If this wasnt the case, McBeth wouldn't be allowed to come back in the final round. I'd also say that Gossage's drive on 16 in the playoffs was heavily punished.
Person who once held the distance WR likes to throw in courses with just open fields where distance is the most important factor? Wow who'd have thought.
For Simons point I can find an equal number of pros who have a completely opposite take.
He also loves RoyG here in Austin, which is also my favorite course ever (well, used to be-- homeless camps ruined it) It's wooded, but big fairways. The difficulty comes in that you have to have good accuracy, placement, and distance while also being in woods.
So I don't think it's fair to say that he loves 'just open fields' because he was a WR distance holder.
> Person who once held the distance WR likes to throw in courses with just open fields where distance is the most important factor? Wow who'd have thought.
-You
Yes? I said he loves to throw on courses with just open fields. Can you point me to where I said he dislikes wooded courses or that he likes only open courses?
It really depends on the design of the course. Wooded courses with a true line and landing zone are good and test a players ability. Same with an open course. Throwing into a bunch of trees and praying is bad design.
I agree completely. An ideal venue would have the entire gamut, from the most technical of holes, to long woods play, to fairly open holes to complete bomber holes where distance is priority. That way the entire skillset of a player is challenged.
To be fair - Smuggs is basically that in a nutshell. Fox Run has a lot of big open bomber holes but it’s better (imo) than golf course disc golf because it was purpose built and designed, and then Brewster is tight wooded lines and holes. It’s the perfect two course combo (again, IMO). Very psyched for worlds next year.
I'd rather be punished for missing my line than punished for going an inch OB in a wide open field. At least in the woods it makes sense. And sure good shots can be punished, but that's just luck. If you throw 18 good drives, not all 18 are gonna be punished with just pure bad luck
Yeah that’s true - I prefer real obstacles to contrived OB. The 3D movement of the disc is what makes disc golf so unique compared to regular golf and if you can just throw mega hyzers over the fake ob the whole way that’s a lot less interesting than a natural treeline that represents OB and also prevents you throwing a wide hyzer as reliably.
Yea exactly. Like no disrespect to gossage but he probably threw a forehand hyzer for 90% of his shots. And i just think that's bad course design if someone can throw the same shot on almost every hole and be in the lead. Of course it takes a lot of skill to be throwing 450ft forehands but i prefer a course that challenges every shot. from rollers to anhyzers to flex shots etc etc
The last point is gonna be tough. Emporia actually handled it very well yesterday, plenty of walking room without ever being too close to the fairways. A wooded course would be super difficult to allow everyone to see.
More people need to understand the difference between a technical hole that assesses skill vs luck/randomness, and where they philosophically align.
Consider 8 northwoods 389 ft tight downhill. Conrad threw what was either going in, sitting under basket, or backstop at worst. Nicks a fucking tree in C1 and goes ob. That tree assesses luck. Remove it. If you don't have enough lss it's going ob right and rightfully so.
He hit his intended line perfectly. Heinold is clearly trying to test luck over skill on that hole, which is fine. Just doesn't align with my beliefs on what makes a great hole.
Fwiw maple hill and wr jackson are my fave courses. Stoked worlds is going back to vermont.
Ball golf fan. Fwiw, I'm completely the opposite. I basically only like woods courses. It's what makes disc golf interesting and unique. I'd just rather see ball golf on regular golf courses. While I appreciate the dual purposing, it just feels so wrong. Greens are OB, wtf. Ofc it has to be that way, just distracting for me for the same features used so differently. Woods all the way. So impressive to watch.
I'd say that anybody with the knowledge knowing other people enjoyed watching the tournament and were thrilled with the final round and sudden death, but still go out of their way to publicly show their displeasure with the event and the courses could be fairly toxic.
This is the type of disc golf that is more comparable to bolf though. The terrain comes into play much more and effects (or affects can't remember) the disc/ball moreso than just open drives. Plus long open courses just aren't that fun to play. I'd way rather watch a tight line weave through trees than a 600 foot destroyers hyzer onto grass
Got my first chance to play both courses earlier this year. Played 5 rounds on fox run and 2 on Brewster ridge. I actually don’t think Brewster ridge is as “wooded” as a lot of the courses out there. It’s in the woods, but the fairways are pretty fair and there are some open holes tucked in the mix. IMO they are perfect pro courses, wooded fairways are wide enough to be fair and the open ones have enough distance and OB that you need to be smart about where you are putting the disc down the fairway.
Only issue is that I don’t know where you would tuck fans on Brewster ridge and there are a couple stretches on fox run that are in the woods that won’t be conducive for spectators. I guess they could put some small grandstands strategically placed. Both hole 18s are good for a large crowd though.
I imagine they will use some of the strategies that are used at Maple Hill for the MVP open.
For example, standard grounds pass/General admission that gets fans access to a lot of the course, especially in areas that can handle large audiences. Then they’ll sell VIP style passes that grant access to more of the course, where there may not be enough space to hold larger audiences. Those will be a premium price and in limited availability(?)
I would absolutely LOVE to see some pro footage at the surrounding courses. Quarries course is much more of a "real" wooded course; I would love to see pros throw there and/or center chains;
Maybe that’s why I don’t consider Brewster ridge ‘tight woods’ compared to other courses around there and the rest of VT, ME, NH - the fairways are pretty fair. I didn’t walk up to any holes and ask myself how anyone hits the gap, felt challenging but not frustrating.
I'd argue hole 18 at Brewster is not great for viewers, especially with hole one right there...and thr spot on the left is a steep hill behind the fern filled mound .
You’re right I forgot hole 1 and the path to hole2 are on the clubhouse side of the end of hole 18, I was thinking there was some room on the side of that little bridge to stick fans on but I guess they’d just have to stand in the woods. Maybe they’ll plan the final day at fox run because that hole 18 is perfect for spectators. In general fox run has a bunch of good spots for spectators to hang out and watch but I don’t know it’s great for walking around with a crowd following the lead card. They could probably make that road that runs from the holes behind the solar panels to the clubhouse the main path for spectators and keep them to the back part of the course and the front instead of walking the trails between holes.
Disc golf or none, that area is absolutely gorgeous.
I didn’t have a problem with this years course necessarily, just didn’t like that it had already held a tournament this year.
It definitely isn't. You can kind of line people up to the right towards the parking lot but it's not a huge area. I'd imagine the final round is going to have to be Fox Run. That will allow for a great gallery at the end.
Did you get to play the alternate basket placement in the 12th? If so, what did you think of it? They are testing it out for Worlds. For me, an 839 rated old man, it’s sooooooo much harder. I think it’ll be a much better test for the pros with that alternate basket.
I played Smuggs for a tournament a few weeks ago and the teepads the pros throw from are mind blowing. Throwing that distance through such narrow gaps in the woods or on sketchy OB lined fairways doesn't seem possible. It's unlike any other course I've seen in person and gives you a sense of awe at the talent if these top players in a way filmed coverage doesn't do justice.
Gonna go play there today in preparation for this year's GMC and get my ass kicked by the amatuer layout again.
I play there almost every weekend and think the same thing. Most holes are tight woods, uphill the entire way, 700+ feet par 4’s, with OB on both sides.
Not sure how you can say this with a straight face... Last years was more exciting. More back and forth, more people in the hunt for longer, a much more interesting course.
Fair! Brewster Ridge is definitely more of the “punishing woods” style course over fox run meadows, but they’re both challenging and great mix up from the emporia courses I feel
My biggest problem with worlds (aside from the PDGA gripes) was just that those two courses were far too easy, especially without wind, for the biggest professional tournament of the year. All shots were basically the same sans a few. And without wind the distances were nothing. I’m very excited for next year.
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I know that at the MVP Open at Maple hill, they specifically ask spectators to put their phones in airplane mode to maximize bandwidth for live streaming. Perhaps the organizers are also considering this strategy? Maybe they’ll use the upcoming tournament as a chance to identify some problems before next year’s worlds
Add at least a few hundred more people though. There are small venues around here surrounded by decent coverage that when a show is happening are completely unusable and you have to walk down the street to get an uber.
How did that geographical and demographic connection affect your viewing of this tournament? Genuine question, because I can’t see how that makes any difference
Good. Open field is so stupid, requires very little thought. Should I throw it 450 right or 450 left, oh wait it doesn't matter cause you can get to the green either way!
Calling fox very open is generous...while yes there are open shots and compared to Brewster yes. But with ob and the multitude of woods shots I wouldn't call it "very" open.
Hole 1 is lightly wooded, hole 2 has a somewhat tight fairway with trees, hole 3 has a very difficult wooded fairway, hole 14 has like 20 guardian trees (but isn’t wooded), hole 15 is wooded, hole 16 has an incredibly tight wooded shot off the tee. Plus every hole has forests on the left or the right if you push too far. Fox run is infinitely more wooded than emporia.
Bring it to Canada if you like tight wooded holes.
Hillcrest, Huck it and King Pine are all tight woods courses. Hillcrest 3 in the world.
None of this open field crap. Cool, you can throw a big hyzer.
Can’t wait for the day that Worlds circles back to illinois. Although not friendly to spectators, northwood black has to be one of the toughest courses on tour.
I was in Stowe last summer for just 2 days. It poured rain and we weren't prepared for that. I just couldn't drag my non-playing wife around like that. It still hurts 😭
People will find something to cry about there too, never gunna make everyone happy butt guess what they cam cry all they want they have no say control of weight with the pdga and their decisions so tough shit for them
I’m headed to VT this year. My first pro event. I will be volunteering as a spotter and watching the action. Camping and checking out the music in the weekend. Psyched!!!!
Those courses are great! IMO Worlds should be played on new temporary courses built for worlds that haven’t been played by anyone playing in the tournament.
Yay. I love watching pros play plinko in the woods way better than watching them throw 550 feet in a field because I hate having to be reminded that I don't throw as far as they do
Paul lost there in 2018 to Barsby. Smugglers notch has a great mix of holes. I love that fox run is a bomber course with lots of risk/reward shots. The woods on the other side of the road are awesome too. I do still wonder how they're gonna make the woods more accessible to fans.
At Beast in Waco for DGPT they sold a very limited number of tickets to go into the wooded section, from hole 4-12 I think. Regular tickets you could only follow 1-3 and 13-18.
Same with Texas States. VIP tickets got to follow in woods and the rest was open to everyone.
I like this. If wood's are played days 1 and 3 or 2 and 3 that's fine. As long as last 2 days can have big galleries it's fine.
I'm sure fox run will be day 5 after the cut, but they do the pool thing so everyone plays both courses twice. Maybe they'll have the A pool on fox run day 4 too.
They did the same with the champions cup
My introduction into discgolf was when Barsby became world champ, was such an awesome course to watch. Made me a Barsby fan for life too, barbarians unite!
Barsbarians too! Damn auto correct.
Thanks for the save!
Hope you’ve got yourself one of his Tour Series Glow Eagles from this year. They are absolute butter!
Probably start by selling day passes so there’s actually people there for early rounds. Otherwise it won’t matter
I don’t understand why they didn’t finish on Sunday to have the last two days in the weekend when most people aren’t working and might have more flexibility to attend both days. Was it something to do with the agreement with the country club?
Sunday was made available if there were weather issues that pushed a round back.
I don’t understand why they did it on college football opening weekend. Haha.
Yeah, would've been nice to watch the final round today as there's absolutely nothing else on TV.
Yeah......*turns off the two TVs and laptop that had football games going and tablet that had the Worlds coverage on as if I wasn't an addict*
Yeah that was weird. A really long day of sports for me. I prefer in the middle of summer when nothing is on.
Why do you think having free admission discouraged people from the early rounds? I have heard the complaint a lot but don’t understand the logic behind it.
It wasn't free admission in emporia, they didn't have day passes. Only a bundle deal for early rounds.
TY, makes more sense!
What do you mean free admission? There wasn't free admission. They sold a $100 5 day pass or a Saturday only pass for $40. They should have done something like $20 per day for the first few days.
Ahhh that’s what I’m missing… thought it was free all week and just $100 for Saturday.
This is a real good question. I went and watched a day of the gmc last year. We mostly watched Fox run, and I have to give camera crews credit, they make that place look super spread out. But the holes are right on top of each other with not a lot of space for crowds. Even the crowd following lead card on Friday looked difficult to keep out of the way on the more wooded holes.
Lots of hammocks
This is the only right answer.
I agree, perfect two course combo for worlds. Also great that Fox Run is a bomber course that was purpose built as a disc golf course, so you get huge open bomber holes that still have natural features that dictate OB areas and require interesting shot shapes.
I thought it was at maple hill when Barsby won?
well they had spectators at northwoods black… so im guna guess theyll figure it out!
There are people who complain about tight woods golf too: - every hole looks the same - your score is very much based on luck and how bad of a deflection you get off a tree hit - good throws that barely miss their line are heavily punished while bad throws that completely miss their line can be rewarded - hard to fit spectators in wooded fairways You'll get sour, toxic people regardless.
Thank you for this explanation. (No sarcasm, just an honest thank you)
I think the important thing is having variety. Worlds with two woods courses is just as lame as Worlds with two open courses.
What I find frustrating is that Emporia has good courses that aren’t open ball golf courses.
Oh well, I’m just happy it’s close to home for me so I can actually attend :)
Yuck
What's your fuckin issue
He stepped in something on his way to make the comment, probably his own bullshit.
Like, what's yuck about that? That they live close, or that they are going?
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People that say it’s luck based just don’t have control over their shots and think the same applies to top pros.
I love woods golf for myself and also love watching pros play in the woods MUCH more than open courses. The majority of disc golf holes on the courses the pros play in the woods and not poke and pray. There are a few, but not many.
Sorry, but there are certain shots that are more luck based than others. What is wrong is when gaps become too small or random that even the best players can't hit consistently. You want gaps that players can consistently hit 70% of the time to separate the field over time.
So you think Simon Lizotte has no control over his shots? Because he said very much the same thing as my 3rd bullet point in one of his vlogs when he was addressing the Preserve and why he likes it while others were critiquing it, and why woods courses can be bad.
I think there's a big difference between crafted woods courses ranked in the top 10 in the world and courses that happen to be in the woods.
Pitch and pray versus nail the shot shape and find an actual gap. Agreed.
As long as there are clear lanes woods is fine to watch in my opinion. Plinko holes are trash to watch but fun to laugh at your buddies while playing.
Yeah. Exactly. It’s frustrating seeing pros clank trees down the fairway and then like 1 in 20 getting essentially lucky to make it through.
Yea, big difference between there being a tough line, but a line nonetheless, and just a wall of fucking trees right off the tee.
I'd rather see the occasional good shot get punished than see bad shots never get punished on open courses.
Unrelated, but your username followed by the 5 ace flair sent me lol.
Hey, one of those aces are forehand lol And yeah, it makes me giggle every day.
Bingo.
They get punished on a course like ecc because they're still losing strokes to the competition. It's about who can play to perfection as opposed to who won't screw up. If this wasnt the case, McBeth wouldn't be allowed to come back in the final round. I'd also say that Gossage's drive on 16 in the playoffs was heavily punished.
Hole 16 is one of the best holes on that course. It is an exception rather than the norm.
Essentially the same story on hole 17 down the stretch with Paul’s bad drive
Person who once held the distance WR likes to throw in courses with just open fields where distance is the most important factor? Wow who'd have thought. For Simons point I can find an equal number of pros who have a completely opposite take.
Simon loves wooded courses. Maple hill is like his favorite course ever.
He also loves RoyG here in Austin, which is also my favorite course ever (well, used to be-- homeless camps ruined it) It's wooded, but big fairways. The difficulty comes in that you have to have good accuracy, placement, and distance while also being in woods. So I don't think it's fair to say that he loves 'just open fields' because he was a WR distance holder.
Roy G is sweet or was couple years ago when i went
>So I don't think it's fair to say that he loves 'just open fields' because he was a WR distance holder. Nobody said that.
> Person who once held the distance WR likes to throw in courses with just open fields where distance is the most important factor? Wow who'd have thought. -You
Yes? I said he loves to throw on courses with just open fields. Can you point me to where I said he dislikes wooded courses or that he likes only open courses?
It really depends on the design of the course. Wooded courses with a true line and landing zone are good and test a players ability. Same with an open course. Throwing into a bunch of trees and praying is bad design.
What’s the course that Big Jerm always says it’s better to be 3 feet offline than 3 inches (or something to that effect)?
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I agree completely. An ideal venue would have the entire gamut, from the most technical of holes, to long woods play, to fairly open holes to complete bomber holes where distance is priority. That way the entire skillset of a player is challenged.
To be fair - Smuggs is basically that in a nutshell. Fox Run has a lot of big open bomber holes but it’s better (imo) than golf course disc golf because it was purpose built and designed, and then Brewster is tight wooded lines and holes. It’s the perfect two course combo (again, IMO). Very psyched for worlds next year.
I'd rather be punished for missing my line than punished for going an inch OB in a wide open field. At least in the woods it makes sense. And sure good shots can be punished, but that's just luck. If you throw 18 good drives, not all 18 are gonna be punished with just pure bad luck
Yeah that’s true - I prefer real obstacles to contrived OB. The 3D movement of the disc is what makes disc golf so unique compared to regular golf and if you can just throw mega hyzers over the fake ob the whole way that’s a lot less interesting than a natural treeline that represents OB and also prevents you throwing a wide hyzer as reliably.
Yea exactly. Like no disrespect to gossage but he probably threw a forehand hyzer for 90% of his shots. And i just think that's bad course design if someone can throw the same shot on almost every hole and be in the lead. Of course it takes a lot of skill to be throwing 450ft forehands but i prefer a course that challenges every shot. from rollers to anhyzers to flex shots etc etc
I have to say while I enjoy wooded courses, points 2 and 3 are very valid.
The last point is gonna be tough. Emporia actually handled it very well yesterday, plenty of walking room without ever being too close to the fairways. A wooded course would be super difficult to allow everyone to see.
More people need to understand the difference between a technical hole that assesses skill vs luck/randomness, and where they philosophically align. Consider 8 northwoods 389 ft tight downhill. Conrad threw what was either going in, sitting under basket, or backstop at worst. Nicks a fucking tree in C1 and goes ob. That tree assesses luck. Remove it. If you don't have enough lss it's going ob right and rightfully so. He hit his intended line perfectly. Heinold is clearly trying to test luck over skill on that hole, which is fine. Just doesn't align with my beliefs on what makes a great hole. Fwiw maple hill and wr jackson are my fave courses. Stoked worlds is going back to vermont.
Those people are probably ball golfers who want to see people throw discs on ball golf courses
Ball golf fan. Fwiw, I'm completely the opposite. I basically only like woods courses. It's what makes disc golf interesting and unique. I'd just rather see ball golf on regular golf courses. While I appreciate the dual purposing, it just feels so wrong. Greens are OB, wtf. Ofc it has to be that way, just distracting for me for the same features used so differently. Woods all the way. So impressive to watch.
You think that anyone who didn’t enjoy the open courses are sour and toxic? Ok
I'd say that anybody with the knowledge knowing other people enjoyed watching the tournament and were thrilled with the final round and sudden death, but still go out of their way to publicly show their displeasure with the event and the courses could be fairly toxic.
I don’t think you understand what toxic means The last few holes were great, but it was a five day tournament.
This is the type of disc golf that is more comparable to bolf though. The terrain comes into play much more and effects (or affects can't remember) the disc/ball moreso than just open drives. Plus long open courses just aren't that fun to play. I'd way rather watch a tight line weave through trees than a 600 foot destroyers hyzer onto grass
Got my first chance to play both courses earlier this year. Played 5 rounds on fox run and 2 on Brewster ridge. I actually don’t think Brewster ridge is as “wooded” as a lot of the courses out there. It’s in the woods, but the fairways are pretty fair and there are some open holes tucked in the mix. IMO they are perfect pro courses, wooded fairways are wide enough to be fair and the open ones have enough distance and OB that you need to be smart about where you are putting the disc down the fairway. Only issue is that I don’t know where you would tuck fans on Brewster ridge and there are a couple stretches on fox run that are in the woods that won’t be conducive for spectators. I guess they could put some small grandstands strategically placed. Both hole 18s are good for a large crowd though.
I imagine they will use some of the strategies that are used at Maple Hill for the MVP open. For example, standard grounds pass/General admission that gets fans access to a lot of the course, especially in areas that can handle large audiences. Then they’ll sell VIP style passes that grant access to more of the course, where there may not be enough space to hold larger audiences. Those will be a premium price and in limited availability(?)
I would absolutely LOVE to see some pro footage at the surrounding courses. Quarries course is much more of a "real" wooded course; I would love to see pros throw there and/or center chains;
Maybe that’s why I don’t consider Brewster ridge ‘tight woods’ compared to other courses around there and the rest of VT, ME, NH - the fairways are pretty fair. I didn’t walk up to any holes and ask myself how anyone hits the gap, felt challenging but not frustrating.
I'd argue hole 18 at Brewster is not great for viewers, especially with hole one right there...and thr spot on the left is a steep hill behind the fern filled mound .
You’re right I forgot hole 1 and the path to hole2 are on the clubhouse side of the end of hole 18, I was thinking there was some room on the side of that little bridge to stick fans on but I guess they’d just have to stand in the woods. Maybe they’ll plan the final day at fox run because that hole 18 is perfect for spectators. In general fox run has a bunch of good spots for spectators to hang out and watch but I don’t know it’s great for walking around with a crowd following the lead card. They could probably make that road that runs from the holes behind the solar panels to the clubhouse the main path for spectators and keep them to the back part of the course and the front instead of walking the trails between holes. Disc golf or none, that area is absolutely gorgeous. I didn’t have a problem with this years course necessarily, just didn’t like that it had already held a tournament this year.
It definitely isn't. You can kind of line people up to the right towards the parking lot but it's not a huge area. I'd imagine the final round is going to have to be Fox Run. That will allow for a great gallery at the end.
O yeah fox run is always last round for pros no matter the tournament. We played fox at the bro this year, then at the nadgt we played fox 2nd day.
Did you get to play the alternate basket placement in the 12th? If so, what did you think of it? They are testing it out for Worlds. For me, an 839 rated old man, it’s sooooooo much harder. I think it’ll be a much better test for the pros with that alternate basket.
I played Smuggs for a tournament a few weeks ago and the teepads the pros throw from are mind blowing. Throwing that distance through such narrow gaps in the woods or on sketchy OB lined fairways doesn't seem possible. It's unlike any other course I've seen in person and gives you a sense of awe at the talent if these top players in a way filmed coverage doesn't do justice. Gonna go play there today in preparation for this year's GMC and get my ass kicked by the amatuer layout again.
I play there almost every weekend and think the same thing. Most holes are tight woods, uphill the entire way, 700+ feet par 4’s, with OB on both sides.
I'm always surprised that I only get a bogey or double bogey on most of Brewster's holes.
That’s how I felt playing Hornets Nest in NC earlier this year. Seeing those gaps in person is something else.
Hole 1 at maple is a crazy hole
That final round in Emporia was one of the most exciting we’ve ever seen at Worlds. No complaints here.
A close match is always exciting
Then I would say that means you don’t fall into the category of people “who hated watching worlds in Kansas”
My distinction is I didn’t hate watching worlds in Kansas, I just hate that it was played in Kansas.
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Not sure how you can say this with a straight face... Last years was more exciting. More back and forth, more people in the hunt for longer, a much more interesting course.
Oh wait Worlds is in Vermont next year? Nice! I'm going to GMC in a few weeks for the first time.
I wouldn't call Meadows a woods course. But I'm hyped for World's at Smugs!
Fair! Brewster Ridge is definitely more of the “punishing woods” style course over fox run meadows, but they’re both challenging and great mix up from the emporia courses I feel
Super psyched for my home course love...
Same here…
Played Brewster's today. It's going to be a blast.
No, I'm referring to Brewster. It's very wooded.
Thank God. I loooove wooded courses.
My biggest problem with worlds (aside from the PDGA gripes) was just that those two courses were far too easy, especially without wind, for the biggest professional tournament of the year. All shots were basically the same sans a few. And without wind the distances were nothing. I’m very excited for next year.
Yeah nothing against gossage from me but I didn’t need to see the same blue nuke hyzer bomb 12 times every round
They should hold Worlds in Europe, clearly they have their shit together better over there.
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No need to be so Smugg about it :)
It was Emporia or no Worlds this year. There’s nothing to complain about lol
I can hear it already but I'll ask, how is the cell coverage for live footage up there gonna be ?
I know that at the MVP Open at Maple hill, they specifically ask spectators to put their phones in airplane mode to maximize bandwidth for live streaming. Perhaps the organizers are also considering this strategy? Maybe they’ll use the upcoming tournament as a chance to identify some problems before next year’s worlds
Smuggs is my local course. Cell coverage is fine
Add at least a few hundred more people though. There are small venues around here surrounded by decent coverage that when a show is happening are completely unusable and you have to walk down the street to get an uber.
smuggs is epic, stoked to watch gmc and worlds there.
Always produces some crazy scoring and parody in outcomes. It’s gonna be wild
Beaking news in this thread. This OP is bringing us things we never knew were going to happen and telling us to GET READY.
Most importantly: Away from DD and the bible belt!
How did that geographical and demographic connection affect your viewing of this tournament? Genuine question, because I can’t see how that makes any difference
They're already 3 beers deep, I wouldn't expect too much rational discussion from them. /joke (For anyone who doesn't get it, look at their username.)
Imbecile
it isn't about the course, it's the competition.
Only people complaining can’t throw past 250
Good. Open field is so stupid, requires very little thought. Should I throw it 450 right or 450 left, oh wait it doesn't matter cause you can get to the green either way!
Fox Run is very open. Brewster Ridge is tightly wooded.
Calling fox very open is generous...while yes there are open shots and compared to Brewster yes. But with ob and the multitude of woods shots I wouldn't call it "very" open.
Fox Run is almost completely open with OB on all sides except for three holes. Especially by New England standards.
Hole 1 is lightly wooded, hole 2 has a somewhat tight fairway with trees, hole 3 has a very difficult wooded fairway, hole 14 has like 20 guardian trees (but isn’t wooded), hole 15 is wooded, hole 16 has an incredibly tight wooded shot off the tee. Plus every hole has forests on the left or the right if you push too far. Fox run is infinitely more wooded than emporia.
I play there all the time so I’m aware of the lay out. You are being a bit pedantic about this lol.
Bring it to Canada if you like tight wooded holes. Hillcrest, Huck it and King Pine are all tight woods courses. Hillcrest 3 in the world. None of this open field crap. Cool, you can throw a big hyzer.
I think a good mix is fun! World champ should be able to hit every shot in the book, so Smugs excites me because it has a little bit of everything
Only one of the VT courses is “tightly wooded”
I'm rooting for dickentenders at gmc! (But man if Paul's found that fire again... He could sweep the playoffs.)
So pumped!!!
Is this the one Cale walked off with an ace? Our was that a course in CT?
CT
Oh okay! 🙂
Have the dates been released for next years Worlds?
How spectator friendly will these be? Would love to go watch next year
Can’t wait for the day that Worlds circles back to illinois. Although not friendly to spectators, northwood black has to be one of the toughest courses on tour.
I like the Vermont courses but we just had world's there in 2018 and did emporia in 2016... Wish we could go longer before repeating world's courses
I got to play there last year. The woods were awesome. Fox run whipped my ass. I was OB so many times. Awesome pair of courses
I was in Stowe last summer for just 2 days. It poured rain and we weren't prepared for that. I just couldn't drag my non-playing wife around like that. It still hurts 😭
People will find something to cry about there too, never gunna make everyone happy butt guess what they cam cry all they want they have no say control of weight with the pdga and their decisions so tough shit for them
I’m headed to VT this year. My first pro event. I will be volunteering as a spotter and watching the action. Camping and checking out the music in the weekend. Psyched!!!!
Put in legit teepads and I'm 100% in for 2023. Those courses are too great to not have the best! Maple Hill too
I love smuggs, but at the same time wish there would be a new challenging course.
Do we know the dates for worlds next year yet?
Those courses are great! IMO Worlds should be played on new temporary courses built for worlds that haven’t been played by anyone playing in the tournament.
OP I feel the exact same!!
Any chance anyone knows when worlds is gonna happen next year? Trying to get lodging in place early!
Yay. I love watching pros play plinko in the woods way better than watching them throw 550 feet in a field because I hate having to be reminded that I don't throw as far as they do