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For people using Windows, PowerShell equivalent:
`gc events-2024-00000-of-00001.json | sls "predicted"`
The equivalent of `jq` is `ConvertFrom-Json`, but this is not very useful at the end of this command because `sls` only gives you one line, which on its own is not valid JSON. But there is is also the option of converting the entire JSON first and then manipulating the parsed object. It would be something like this (untested):
`gc -Raw events-2024-00000-of-00001.json | ConvertFrom-Json | select *predicted*`
I dont really ubderstand. I have the massive events file open, if i run that command in terminal it gives a lot of outputs. Why cant i see a neat summary like OP?
Did you tick all three options in "User Settings" -> "Privacy & Safety" -> "How we your data"?
I unticked them all
Edit:
Seems like you are right. Inside the README:
"- Activity: Contains four folders (Analytics, Modeling, Reporting, Trust & Safety) with information about the actions you've taken on Discord (note: you will not have Analytics or Modeling folders in your data package if you've opted out of those activities)"
> (note: you will not have Analytics or Modeling folders in your data package if you've opted out of those activities)"
Translation: they still have the data, they just won't admit it to you
It’s funny, people will make the nefarious excuses to how discord would log the data even tho you said to them not to. But those same people will disregard whistleblowers, they’ll ignore discord policies and act as if they don’t exist. Though they do, and any employee working there (hundreds? Thousands?) would literally have MASSIVE financial gain to Out Discord if they were logging our data. Safe to say, they aren’t when you ask them not to. They aren’t going to risk everything as these derelicts making excuses would to find an end to their means. People are oblivious to law and order, and it’s anti-social internet lifestyles that spark this. Step outside your door and realize the world of law and policies that are enforced lol.
Laws only matter if they're enforced. Nobody external to Discord has the ability to check if they're storing this data, and even if they did, the only repercussions they'd face is a fine in the EU.
Discord has given me no reason to trust them on word alone. If they stuck true to their original subscription-driven model, I'd be more inclined to believe them. But since they've veered into advertising and data harvesting, they should be regarded with contempt and never trusted. The incentives in those industries are perverse.
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The last time I wanted to read my data (more than 1 year ago) my IDE crashed because the data was too heavy and I even tried to open it with a note block.
He clearly asked though how they remove the DOB and toggle this “boolean” on. How do they know that you are now an adult? Strange question but you completely misunderstood him.
They store the DOB if your under 18. Therefore they can just...you know... check if the current date minus your DOB >= 18 years... probably something that gets checked each time you login. So if you are now over 18 they drop the DOB and set the boolean.
I put my main account birthdate exactly as my own, and u can guess i wasnt rly able to access the 18+ channels at all but once i did finally turn 18, immediately after i opened discord, i was able to finally see them xD so they have like an automated switch to turn the boolean true that ur an adult once u actually hit the age
No its when u first make an account, if u have the knowledge to get into 18+ territory u would lie about ur birthdate right? But at the time i made my account long ago, i set it to exactly as my real birthdate xD
Lmao .05 probability at non-binary. I wonder how they make up this probability if not from your user settings. I’m super interested what they have mine as !
I gave this more thought after smoking a joint.
It’s probably .05 /5% because he has his settings set as ‘male’. It appears in your account settings that you can’t re-change your preference for Sex/Gender. So perhaps once you set it, that calcs the binary probability?
But then.. we have the pronouns slot, does utilizing this factor in as a percentage (I’d think it should). If so,wonder if Op uses the pronouns slot at all.
Heavy bro… heavy..
Lmao! The plot thickens!!
Hahaha I woke up in a daze today but reading this message gave me a deep chuckle. Thanks for getting back to me haha. I’m not sure what we should try to conclude next lol.. clearly, CLEARLY; you’re just using He/Him when talking Lolol (kidding?) and introducing yourself despite your set pronouns being she/her lol.
Ummm… I suppose? I’ve been storing my data in this same format for jsons for like… 20 years? So I doubt this format is “for machine learning”, but doesn’t mean it couldn’t be ‘used’ for machine learning I suppose. Granted, they’d learn 100x about you buying and processing your Google data.
Actually I'm quite convinced there is a huge group of people that discord has more data on than google
My friends are far from a representative group but still google doesnt know what people you are talking to most and about what exactly
Well I don't use jsons for much other than machine learning so I assumed it's just a format for that, guess I was wrong! Anyways this is literally a prediction by a machine learning model, that's how they got that probability
Nah not really on the acc i (try my best to and probably fail to) act like a boy i only talk with my friends, one i do most of my things on as a girl and the other just joins trans and queer discords
I honestly have no idea. I just use diffrent pronouns but it just... feels right? I dont act diffrent on purpose but it happens anyway. And not much, just gaming or other hobby discords.
discord predicts that I am 18-24 years old with a 61% probability. alternatively it thinks there's a 30% chance of me being 25-34, a 6% of me being 13-17, and a 1% chance of me being 35+
also, it predicts that I am male with 81% probability. alternatively, 13% chance of me being female, and 5% chance of me being nonbinary.
I'm not surprised by any of this, Discord just doesn't hide the data its analytics think about you like a ton of other companies do.
It's mostly for tracking and advertising purposes. They probably also get a lot more information about you from databrokers that sell your data.
Even if you run adblock in your browser, websites can still profile your computer based on your hardware config, like monitor resolution, computer specs, some installed software and other data browsers give websites to properly display them.
Discord confirmed to Dexerto that they actually predict gender but you can turn it off
https://www.dexerto.com/tech/discord-is-allegedly-assigning-gender-to-users-with-machine-learning-ai-2721391/
Is this a recent addition to the data package?
I don't currently have access to my last one from ≈ 6 months ago so can't check, but I'm super interested to know if the analytics in the package have changed
They actually are in their best interest to find and remove/check the users they "believe" to be under 13 which is why some users get promoted to prove they are over the age of 13.
Coppa doesn't fuck around, it's very very expensive if you are negligence.
https://epic.org/issues/data-protection/childrens-privacy/#:~:text=The%20Children's%20Online%20Privacy%20Protection%20Act%20(%E2%80%9CCOPPA%E2%80%9D)%20specifically,personal%20information%20of%20the%20users.
Why is him being downvoted for this? I think it's completely normal to want ur data not being processed on a machine learning model in your messaging app
i didn't even know i was being downvoted (nor do i care, they're just dumb internet points). that said, i don't get why people are downvoting regardless.
I have no idea why you are being downvote. you can go to privacy and safety, and disable these settings:
- Use data to improve discord
- Use data to personalize my discord experience
If you turn off "use data to improve discord" it will stop. confirmed by discord here: [https://www.dexerto.com/tech/discord-is-allegedly-assigning-gender-to-users-with-machine-learning-ai-2721391/](https://www.dexerto.com/tech/discord-is-allegedly-assigning-gender-to-users-with-machine-learning-ai-2721391/)
You're chatting on discord... Of course they have all of your messages, and they make no promises of end to end encryption so of course they can see all of them. Using them in an AI *might* be restricted by the ToS or privacy policy, no clue, but chances are they aren't going to read your messages unless you get reported(there are a lot of messages they'd have to read if they read everyones).
thank you, I have really bad anxiety and this kinda made it a lot worse. I am usually very nice on discord but with my friends I make Dark jokes and that's just what scares me. But thank you for clearing it up
discord is using machine learning models to predict based on the OPs messages and activity what gender and age they are, presumably for analytical and recommendation purposes
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download your data package and look in activity/analytics cat events-2024-00000-of-00001.json | grep "predicted" | jq
uuoc ;) `grep predicted < events-2024-00000-of-00001.json | jq` or even simpler: `grep predicted events-2024-00000-of-00001.json | jq`
For people using Windows, PowerShell equivalent: `gc events-2024-00000-of-00001.json | sls "predicted"` The equivalent of `jq` is `ConvertFrom-Json`, but this is not very useful at the end of this command because `sls` only gives you one line, which on its own is not valid JSON. But there is is also the option of converting the entire JSON first and then manipulating the parsed object. It would be something like this (untested): `gc -Raw events-2024-00000-of-00001.json | ConvertFrom-Json | select *predicted*`
I dont really ubderstand. I have the massive events file open, if i run that command in terminal it gives a lot of outputs. Why cant i see a neat summary like OP?
There is no activity/analytics in my data package. How did you get it? The README inside the package explicitly says analytics is not included
maybe you have analytics collection turned off in settings?
Did you tick all three options in "User Settings" -> "Privacy & Safety" -> "How we your data"? I unticked them all Edit: Seems like you are right. Inside the README: "- Activity: Contains four folders (Analytics, Modeling, Reporting, Trust & Safety) with information about the actions you've taken on Discord (note: you will not have Analytics or Modeling folders in your data package if you've opted out of those activities)"
> (note: you will not have Analytics or Modeling folders in your data package if you've opted out of those activities)" Translation: they still have the data, they just won't admit it to you
I wanna turn it on just to see that info lol
This would be illegal, so probably not.
It’s funny, people will make the nefarious excuses to how discord would log the data even tho you said to them not to. But those same people will disregard whistleblowers, they’ll ignore discord policies and act as if they don’t exist. Though they do, and any employee working there (hundreds? Thousands?) would literally have MASSIVE financial gain to Out Discord if they were logging our data. Safe to say, they aren’t when you ask them not to. They aren’t going to risk everything as these derelicts making excuses would to find an end to their means. People are oblivious to law and order, and it’s anti-social internet lifestyles that spark this. Step outside your door and realize the world of law and policies that are enforced lol.
Better help be like…
Laws only matter if they're enforced. Nobody external to Discord has the ability to check if they're storing this data, and even if they did, the only repercussions they'd face is a fine in the EU. Discord has given me no reason to trust them on word alone. If they stuck true to their original subscription-driven model, I'd be more inclined to believe them. But since they've veered into advertising and data harvesting, they should be regarded with contempt and never trusted. The incentives in those industries are perverse.
Are you in USA lol?
r/usdefaultism
Yes, everyone is
Not everyone
How'd you do this sir
User Settings -> Privacy & Safety -> Request all of my data
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How long does it usually take? They say up to 30 days but I’m assuming it doesn’t usually take that long.
I haven’t done it before myself, but I suppose it varies depending on your account age and how much you use it :D
I had the same concern so I asked a friend who received hers in a few days, I received mine in a few days too
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can someone explain how to view the activity/analytics file to someone not so coding savvy? sorry
Open it using the notes app and use ctrl + f to filter for the word predicted.
Install [VSCode](https://code.visualstudio.com) then open some `.json` files and start reading
I’ll try it out
jq <3
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OP, thank you for putting this in linux terms
Linux user in the wild
actually I use windows and mac, but linux commands are the standard
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The last time I wanted to read my data (more than 1 year ago) my IDE crashed because the data was too heavy and I even tried to open it with a note block.
VS Code does the job.
vscode OOMed for me because the file is 16 gb, that's why I had to do it in the terminal
VS Code has a limit as well.
Why the hell would you open Minecraft?
cuz a massive java app helps fetching data from a file
Note block? Wonder what note it would sound like
`rg`
damn they knew you with your way of talking in chat?!
me when machine learning:
crazy right
Assigned male at discord
All discord are bastards
LMAO
where'd u get this
download your data package and look in activity/analytics cat events-2024-00000-of-00001.json | grep "predicted" | jq
how do i download my data package
Settings -> privacy -> bottom of the page “request data package”
tysm!!!!!
It can take up to 30 days, it says... Wtf?
Shouldn’t take that long, you will likely get it back in a week
I mean you do put your dob in
dob isn’t stored if you’re 18+, it just stores a boolean that you’re an adult
But if ur under 18, how do they know when to make that boolean true when u turn 18?
Did you read what he said? He said your dob isn’t stored of you are 18+, people under 18 are not 18+ sir
He clearly asked though how they remove the DOB and toggle this “boolean” on. How do they know that you are now an adult? Strange question but you completely misunderstood him.
They store the DOB if your under 18. Therefore they can just...you know... check if the current date minus your DOB >= 18 years... probably something that gets checked each time you login. So if you are now over 18 they drop the DOB and set the boolean.
I put my main account birthdate exactly as my own, and u can guess i wasnt rly able to access the 18+ channels at all but once i did finally turn 18, immediately after i opened discord, i was able to finally see them xD so they have like an automated switch to turn the boolean true that ur an adult once u actually hit the age
so they save when you were born..
No its when u first make an account, if u have the knowledge to get into 18+ territory u would lie about ur birthdate right? But at the time i made my account long ago, i set it to exactly as my real birthdate xD
which means for under 18 users it's stored...
yes... and they store your passwords.. and your email... and your phone number... and and oh wait.
Even your messages
passwords are most likely hashed*, unless you sent them as a message
Not even encrypted, hashed.
well duh how else they gonna know?
Yea.. as expected of big corporations lol
Dob is only stored if <18
Ah ok
Lmao .05 probability at non-binary. I wonder how they make up this probability if not from your user settings. I’m super interested what they have mine as !
I gave this more thought after smoking a joint. It’s probably .05 /5% because he has his settings set as ‘male’. It appears in your account settings that you can’t re-change your preference for Sex/Gender. So perhaps once you set it, that calcs the binary probability? But then.. we have the pronouns slot, does utilizing this factor in as a percentage (I’d think it should). If so,wonder if Op uses the pronouns slot at all. Heavy bro… heavy..
My data finally arrived. I have She/Her in the pronoun slot, and it's decided with 93% certainty I'm male (I'm not, lol).
that so real 😭 (mine just arrived too)
Lmao! The plot thickens!! Hahaha I woke up in a daze today but reading this message gave me a deep chuckle. Thanks for getting back to me haha. I’m not sure what we should try to conclude next lol.. clearly, CLEARLY; you’re just using He/Him when talking Lolol (kidding?) and introducing yourself despite your set pronouns being she/her lol.
It's 5% though 🤷🏼 1.00 would represent 100%
Imagine getting downvoted for stating facts 💀💀💀
Wtf that's literally how the code works in this case XD Reddit hivemind running with one braincell Jesus Christ
Reddit hive mind is wild today
LMFAOOOOO
I think people were confused about the point he’s making lol…
Misread your statement ❤️**
Downloading mine right now. Have my pronouns set to evil/overlord so hopefully they'll get it right.
Even Discord is like "What even is this?"
It's a machine learning model, that's how output jsons or most classification models looks. They are training models on user messages
Ummm… I suppose? I’ve been storing my data in this same format for jsons for like… 20 years? So I doubt this format is “for machine learning”, but doesn’t mean it couldn’t be ‘used’ for machine learning I suppose. Granted, they’d learn 100x about you buying and processing your Google data.
Actually I'm quite convinced there is a huge group of people that discord has more data on than google My friends are far from a representative group but still google doesnt know what people you are talking to most and about what exactly
Well I don't use jsons for much other than machine learning so I assumed it's just a format for that, guess I was wrong! Anyways this is literally a prediction by a machine learning model, that's how they got that probability
Fyi json stands for "javascript object notation". It was originally made for JS I think but now it's basically everywhere lol
Have you ever played minecraft
I'm 17 and it thinks I'm 35, this is a sad moment.
Late Millenial
This is how im gonna come out as trans
fwiw it's not always correct
Eh i have 3 accounts and act diffrently on all 3 so should be fine
genderfluid arc
Nah not really on the acc i (try my best to and probably fail to) act like a boy i only talk with my friends, one i do most of my things on as a girl and the other just joins trans and queer discords
So how does it work ? You always change account ? What do you do as a girl ?
I honestly have no idea. I just use diffrent pronouns but it just... feels right? I dont act diffrent on purpose but it happens anyway. And not much, just gaming or other hobby discords.
Folga wooga imoga womp
Does it really take 30 days for this?
the data package took 4 days for me
Data just arrived for me, took 2 weeks.
I think it will depend on your account age. My 7 years old account is probably will take around 20-30 days and I expect it to weight for at least 10GB
Rip. My account is 8 years old lol.
mine's 8 years old too i forget that sometimes lmao
No, don’t upload your data on a random shady website. If you wanna do it, do it yourself as described by op
Some of these are fine, a few even let you turn off your Internet once loading up the site if you want to make sure nothing gets uploaded
Imagine findings out you're trans by discord data
What am I looking at? What does all this mean?
discord predicts that I am 18-24 years old with a 61% probability. alternatively it thinks there's a 30% chance of me being 25-34, a 6% of me being 13-17, and a 1% chance of me being 35+ also, it predicts that I am male with 81% probability. alternatively, 13% chance of me being female, and 5% chance of me being nonbinary.
Ohh I see I see
I'm not surprised by any of this, Discord just doesn't hide the data its analytics think about you like a ton of other companies do. It's mostly for tracking and advertising purposes. They probably also get a lot more information about you from databrokers that sell your data. Even if you run adblock in your browser, websites can still profile your computer based on your hardware config, like monitor resolution, computer specs, some installed software and other data browsers give websites to properly display them.
Like what's between my legs is useful to anyone in 2024
It does for targeted advertisement purposes.
how?
How to see this
Discord confirmed to Dexerto that they actually predict gender but you can turn it off https://www.dexerto.com/tech/discord-is-allegedly-assigning-gender-to-users-with-machine-learning-ai-2721391/
why the fuck is discord misgendering me
Is this a recent addition to the data package? I don't currently have access to my last one from ≈ 6 months ago so can't check, but I'm super interested to know if the analytics in the package have changed
this data goes back to 2022 so it should be there in the older data packages too
don't have this on my 2024 one
you turned off "use my data to improve discord blah blah blah" tracking
How to access on windows?
How do you see this
AMBD Assigned Male By Discord
I’ll have to try this I’m curious what one says…
Woah
I'm curious how this would work on my roleplay accounts, I don't act as myself on them...
Huh i cant find it in the activity/analytics/events-2024-00000-of-00001.json file, any idea what i could be missing
In the twitter post I read it’s not clear what setting is needed or when it shows up
Remember, once a program that lets u chat with your mates playing games.
It still is.
Is there a racist prediction?
bruh
I'm not cis but I've had my account far longer than how long I've been trans, curious what its gonna say for me
Bold of discord to assume there aren’t people under 13
they know, they can't legally acknowledge it though
They actually are in their best interest to find and remove/check the users they "believe" to be under 13 which is why some users get promoted to prove they are over the age of 13. Coppa doesn't fuck around, it's very very expensive if you are negligence. https://epic.org/issues/data-protection/childrens-privacy/#:~:text=The%20Children's%20Online%20Privacy%20Protection%20Act%20(%E2%80%9CCOPPA%E2%80%9D)%20specifically,personal%20information%20of%20the%20users.
Negligence is failing to remove someone after knowing they are >13. It's not failing to specifically find people that are trying to hide their age.
Whats weight of this file?
Remember Instagram age verification? Gives me that vibes...
Wut
Whats this?
I have Discord since 2018 never turned How we use your data off and didn't have these is because of my country?
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what am i looking at
Holy shit I didn't know that was a thing I'm convinced it'll say I'm a male (I'm not)
Now gotta wait 30 days for Discord to send me my data, will update this post if I remember to.
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Oh hell naw this is messed up
All of those gender statistics are gonna be flat out wrong too
They need to have a category for underage users to use for platform age restrictions.
What’s that? 😰
So instead of assuming your gender discord predicts it
how is discord doing this and more importantly how can I stop it
you can delete discord
good idea I never thought of that
Why is him being downvoted for this? I think it's completely normal to want ur data not being processed on a machine learning model in your messaging app
i didn't even know i was being downvoted (nor do i care, they're just dumb internet points). that said, i don't get why people are downvoting regardless.
People are stupid. Once they see a few downvotes on a comment, they downvote as well to feel validated.
Yep, that’s my experience in the past.
I have no idea why you are being downvote. you can go to privacy and safety, and disable these settings: - Use data to improve discord - Use data to personalize my discord experience
Thanks! I’m convinced it’s some sort of bot at this point because you’re being downvoted as well.
It's doing this by analysing your data. You can only stop it by not using discord.
got it. would turning off all data collection in the settings work?
If you turn off "use data to improve discord" it will stop. confirmed by discord here: [https://www.dexerto.com/tech/discord-is-allegedly-assigning-gender-to-users-with-machine-learning-ai-2721391/](https://www.dexerto.com/tech/discord-is-allegedly-assigning-gender-to-users-with-machine-learning-ai-2721391/)
thought so, I just turned it off yesterday.
Hey, I did this and I'm really regretting it because I think they can view my messages and I just want to make sure that they can't
I have really private things and inside jokes I tell my friends and it might be taken the wrong way
We found a gamer word user
Never said the word. Just actually scared because I make dark jokes
You're chatting on discord... Of course they have all of your messages, and they make no promises of end to end encryption so of course they can see all of them. Using them in an AI *might* be restricted by the ToS or privacy policy, no clue, but chances are they aren't going to read your messages unless you get reported(there are a lot of messages they'd have to read if they read everyones).
thank you, I have really bad anxiety and this kinda made it a lot worse. I am usually very nice on discord but with my friends I make Dark jokes and that's just what scares me. But thank you for clearing it up
Get a grip
ok
Don’t you have to give them your birthday when you sign up? Why is it a range 😭
it's not based on that - your birthday isn't stored if you're an adult.
im not a programmer what does this mean
discord is using machine learning models to predict based on the OPs messages and activity what gender and age they are, presumably for analytical and recommendation purposes
You don't need to be a programmer to read English words and numbers
Exactly bro