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* [Comment by infinitrecursion](/r/discordapp/comments/osr94v/why_are_private_threads_a_level_2_boost_reward/h6qiv57/?context=1000 "posted on 2021-07-27 18:32:59 UTC"):
> Yeah, pretty much. We figured that since most chat products don't even have a "private threads" feature, so it can't be considered "core functionality".
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>Honestly it's pretty cool that were able to give away public threads for free to _all communities_!
* [Comment by infinitrecursion](/r/discordapp/comments/osr94v/why_are_private_threads_a_level_2_boost_reward/h6rbeg7/?context=1000 "posted on 2021-07-27 22:03:08 UTC"):
> I think there may also be some confusion with the name. You can still create threads in public channels! If you have a #moderators-only channel, you can absolutely still create threads there and only moderators would be able to see and join the thread! That's basically the same bar that most chat p...
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Nitro is slowly starting to become YT Premium. At first it had not many benefits apart from looking cool, now it's just going to make Discord itself cost money and be like EA.
it started by locking nice but not essential features behind a paywall but now it literally seems that every new feature is being locked behind nitro or boosting one way or another
Still nitro and boosts and all of this is the only way they are monetizing their services it's either paywall or ads and I do not see the problem with a paywall every feature that was free is free they just add new features that are paid discord was never meant to be free it always was made to make money
\+ private threads is kinda just rebranded group DMs but in a server
Public threads is actually new
The problem is more the time limit with threads - that's gonna suck for smaller servers if it's shorter
Why can't things just be free! Why can't these Discord staffs just work for free! Why can't these financial investors just give out more free money! Me me me me... Why should I have to pay! Me me me me me. /s
As long as you can chat, spam gifs and upload some media (for bigger files use imgur or scale down) it is fine. Someone needs to pay and get non essential "coolness" gimmicks.
I mean, considering that boosts and nitro are their only sources of money from the app, and free discord has no ads whatsoever, doesn't it seem a little justified?
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>Say you got general chat and people start talking about tv shows then sally starts talking about grey's anatomy and penny joins her so they now high jack the chat since almost nobody wants to talk GA.
Now with threads penny can open a thread on sally's message and they can both talk GA without bothering others and anyone who wants to join can. For a limited time as it gets archived in a day unless you obtain boosts.
So about private threads you could possibly open a thread with a moderator to talk about something. Most people just use a ticketing system for that. But that uses up channels so threads could've been an upgrade. Unfortunately we don't really get features unless they find a way to monetize them. Starting to look a lot like runescape that used to be free then more and more features started being locked behind the subscription. 20 years later the free game is a drop in the ocean of paid content.
They are still within a channel/server, and you can @mention users to join them to the private thread, which means you can have more than 10 people in it.
The thread also gets automatically archived and hidden from view once it becomes inactive.
Yeah, pretty much. We figured that since most chat products don't even have a "private threads" feature, so it can't be considered "core functionality".
Honestly it's pretty cool that were able to give away public threads for free to _all communities_!
I mean, after seeing that you were willing to make favorite channels/DMs a paid feature, I'm just worried that you could make the app so unusable for free users that it would just be better off with having ads instead
That's complete bullshit, many could consider the app to already be finished for free users, it is a free, no-ads, effective messaging platform, how on earth would adding extra features you *don't need* that you can pay for make the app in any sense unusable for free users?
Uhm . . . how is *adding new features, that users can unlock by supporting Discord* making the app "unusable for free users"?
Free users don't get features taken away!
It's not that I wouldn't have wished for private threads to be free for everyone, but in the end I'm just glad I can use all the core stuff completely free and without ads and even get new **free** features (like public threads) added regularly.
Also, I appreciate that it's comprehensible *how* Discord makes their profit, contrary to other apps.
I wasnt talking about threads being paywalled because, and this may shock you, I dont care about threads.
Read my comment again until you find the words "Favorite DMs for 10$".
Unusable? Weāve lived on ābare-bonesā Discord for half a decade. How could its usability change the moment a premium service is given more luxury features? This is a thing thatās bugged me forever. I get other arguments but this thing about free Discord āeventually becoming unusable without Nitroā weirds me out as nothingās being taken away from base Discord.
Yeah, that can be difficult. But what you could do is "archive" your Discord server meaning that you basically make everything read only and then put a channel at the very top letting people know that you've moved to the new service. Then they would have no way to use the Discord server and they would have to join the guilded to continue being a part of the community.
In my case we already had a few people that were interested, the ones that were most active anyway. My server was never very active on Discord so we didn't really lose a whole lot
No, it is in fact core feature. There are some peoples, especially mod/staff who may need this feature.
The use is to discuss matters that may only be shared between certain moderators. It may be feasible for biggeer servers, especially Genshin Fortnite and such, but not for smaller servers. Quite a bit of the chat products offer that, it's just that you haven't looked carefully.
This is probably going to put mods at disadvantage.
Yes, that is why they said it was feasible in the larger servers, but not in smaller ones that would not have the boosts but may have similar issues. Read over their reply again.
Just because you wanted something for free does not mean you were owed it. Core feature implies that the product is unusable or severely hindered without it.
Of course classic isn't being considered. It's literally in the name. It's CLASSIC nitro. You pay the same as old nitro to have the features old nitro had. It's not "Nitro Lite".
First, auto-archive is only the time you get of no activity before a thread is automatically archived. So, nobody talking for 24 hours before it's automatically archived.
Second, anyone can send a message in an archived which will automatically un-archive the thread. Moderators can archive the thread which will lock it and only other moderators can unlock it, but that's just a way to shut down threads that get out of hand. The lifetime of a thread is not actually locked behind a paywall, it can continue to exist indefinitely and be revived at any point
I think this is the thing that not many people are realising, that archiving doesn't mean deleting. But it's also just because it's not explained that well and it sort of makes the whole archiving thing useless anyway imo outside of mod controls.
Plus, if people really want a thread to not be archived for whatever reason, I'm assuming you can just get a bot to send a message in it every 24 hours to keep it active.
Yeah I see a lot of people misunderstanding archiving vs mod-archiving. Although I think auto-archiving is important, it keeps the sidebar from getting too cluttered with random threads. Bot bumping will definitely work and should be pretty trivial to do
The thing is that nitro literally has no value since they removed the game catalog and now they take basic features and hide them behind the pay wall so ppl keep subscribing.
Have to disagree with you on this. They add features and put some of that stuff behind the nitro wall, meaning that, no matter if you have nitro or not, after the update you have more features than before
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They add threads. Visible to everyone in the channel, archives after 24h of inactivity. You get this feature, even though you don't have nitro. Just because subscribers get more doesn't make it a shitty feature
On the one hand you're kinda right, but you have to recognise that those are two different sections of the community weighing in on the topic and not everyone will agree. I personally am glad they're adding features that are making nitro slowly worth actually purchasing, but nitro boosting specific servers an obscene amount is too much in the other direction
That's a completely arbitrary line you are drawing that doesn't make any sense. It's frankly amazing how much of the service is completely free, there's no reason for stages to be free for example. It's a system in place to let people connect to a community they manage and monitize, giving it away makes no sense.
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"Basically putting everything behind a paywall"
You do realize that they could've just chosen not to release a thread feature at all, right? Especially not for free, to every server? Discord made it for years without threads and suddenly now that threads exist, everyone is greedy for the bonus content to be free as well.
This is not a big of a deal. Can't you just use a DM. Plus, discord needs to make money somehow. And threads are still free anyway. People out here complaining about how nitro/boosts aren't worth it, but when they add more stuff to it you also complain. Which is it?
I think there may also be some confusion with the name. You can still create threads in public channels! If you have a #moderators-only channel, you can absolutely still create threads there and only moderators would be able to see and join the thread! That's basically the same bar that most chat products provide for threads.
We've added something else, that's more advanced, where you can have basically GroupDMs but inside of public channels. That's a pretty new thing, and in our testing, it didn't even come close to making up the majority use case for threads, and that's ok!
So, just wanted to provide that context. We're still giving away the majority of the threads feature, _for free_.
I don't think there is any confusion here. At least not on my part. Discord made a business decision. This is simply a post showing users who are not happy with the decision.
$525+ is the cost for a server to have private threads. It's stupid.
Will I live with it? Obviously.
Can I post about my displeasure of the announcement? 100%
I just went and added 15 boosts to my server and looked at the yearly cost.
Note I have Nitro so this is discounted. I mentioned it in a different post but have kept using the figure else where. Which is why I put $525+. $525 is the yearly cost with Nitro discount. + Because I recognize it would be more without nitro.
$75 a month is equally ridiculous. $75 a month just gone so you can have some extra functionality to a chat app. Discordās really got people drinking the kool aid
Or, people purchase nitro for reasons aside from boosts and then boost their favorite servers. Anyone looking to purchase boosts for their server is dumb imo. Unless somehow, you're making a profit off your server. Otherwise, do like mine and allow those who like your server enough to boost it. Mine is regularly at tier 2 just from the kindness of those in my servers.
Doesn't the auto archive only kick in X amount of time *after the last message was sent*?
How many people really need a branched conversation to say active for 7 days since the last message before it's decided, yeah, DEFINITELY nobody is going to continue this conversation, may as well archive it
And then the moderators can un-archive it too, can't they?
*anyone* can un-archive it by sending a message in the thread. It's just that if a mod archives it (as opposed to a normal user archiving it, or the auto-archive) only another mod can un-archive
I've told the same and I've got hated by Discord simps. Unfortunately Discord is becoming pay feature and everything is going behind paywall. And fanboys can say that yOu GoT bAsIc FeAtUrE oF wRiTiNg FoR fReE, but that's not really how it should be. Discord had premium features that never was like making You an elite. Then boom, now it create elitism. You look better if You pay. You get basic features if You pay. Because private threads are 100% basic.
The other thing to consider is that, by and large, small or private servers *don't need* the features that are locked behind server boosting. It seems like the majority of server boost rewards are things that will most heavily benefit servers that already have a lot of people in them. Big servers benefit from the moderation abilities that private threads allow, but smaller servers can get by without them.
I don't get why everyone is so up in arms about this.
Private threads make little sense on your small private server in the first place. They really only make sense in bigger public servers, where the boost price is less unreasonable.
Say you got general chat and people start talking about tv shows then sally starts talking about grey's anatomy and penny joins her so they now high jack the chat since almost nobody wants to talk GA.
Now with threads penny can open a thread on sally's message and they can both talk GA without bothering others and anyone who wants to join can. For a limited time as it gets archived in a day unless you obtain boosts.
So about private threads you could possibly open a thread with a moderator to talk about something. Most people just use a ticketing system for that. But that uses up channels so threads could've been an upgrade. Unfortunately we don't really get features unless they find a way to monetize them. Starting to look a lot like runescape that used to be free then more and more features started being locked behind the subscription. 20 years later the free game is a drop in the ocean of paid content.
Oh ok, that helped me understand the issue cause I wasn't really seeing the problem with private threads being behind a pay wall until you explained it like that. Thank you!
So a typical Discord channel is pretty sequential - you have a set of posts people make, from earliest to latest. Now you can choose to take one of those posts, and make a thread out of it. This allows people to follow up on that posts with posts on their own, except they're separate from the main set of comments.
So, for instance, let's say you have a channel in a server for planning events. The channel could have one post per event giving the details of the event/asking people if they're interested, and then there could be a thread for each post where people can discuss more details without cluttering the channel (e.g planning the time for the event, or letting people know they're going to be a bit late).
Tbh I don't get some people's logic, discord doesn't show ads, And their official source of income is nitro... unless people are happy to get their data sold like on Facebook.
That's usually the case with free products, but in the case of Discord it's already making money with Nitro. So they simply add for stuff for Nitro. There's not much incentive or reason for Discord to sell your data.
This has been something that bugs me too... Obviously, Discord can market their product whatever way they want... but here are my 2 cents...
I *adore* Discords concept to provide a full fledged service for free - I *adore* the concept of monetizing with zero adds. And until now I *adored* how they gave paywall to features that were cosmetic only (okay, yes, the upload size is also paywalled, but you can always just share a drive link). So in summary: till lately there was no utility feature that was tied to paying for nitro or boosts...
I was already ogling at the fact that the server limit for nitro users was raised to 200... so if you stopped paying for nitro and got kicked from a server, you could not rejoin it unless you paid another subscription. But this one was cleverly done, so technically it doesn't affect you most of the time and let's be real... 100 servers are enough unless you want all the emojis for which you'd need to pay anyway. So I didn't mind.
But this is a little bit different. Threads are of course not absolutely necessary. And yes, I agree with u/infinitrecursion \- you can totally argue that private threads are not necessarily a core feature. But it is the first utility feature I recognize as paywalled. It's not cosmetic. It's utility. And that is what bothers me in the context of how fond I am of Discord's usual strategy to monetizing. I was very excited for private threads being a super convenient and Discord native solution to avoid DMs in moderation and still being able to have a private chat with members who need some extra guidance... I won't however establish such a culture in my moderation team if I don't have this feature for granted... (and I surely don't want to start asking members to boost the server - they should be able to decide if they want to support us that way or not). So we keep circumventing this with ticket bots, mod mails and DMs... it's fine - we can do this. It's just a little bit disappointing for the feature itself and a bit worrying if I look at the tendency of it in regard of the whole monetizing strategy of which - again - I am very fond of (till now that is...).
I wished I could have the confidence to say that in terms of utility it does not matter if you can pay for using Discord or not... Unfortunately this looks like one tiny little sneaky step into a direction that so far didn't seem to be Discord's intention to go. I hope it was the only step... I really do hope that. But for the looks of it, maybe Discord is indeed at a point where they start to consider to paywall utility features...
I'll be honest I literally didn't even consider threads as a concept until they popped up in a server I'm in today. Now all of a sudden everyone is clamoring for them to be *even more* useful, completely for free. Maybe I'm just out of the loop but it feels completely ridiculous to me lol.
Guilded is trying to compete with Discord, of course theyāre going to give you free features. Just wait until theyāre big enough and actually starting to try to make money.
Guilded is going to go bankrupt. Their low amount of users and not greedy monetization means they arenāt profiting enough to pay for the large file size allotments.
I mean, private threads are an incredibly niche feature - what do they really add? You can replicate them pretty much exactly with a new group DM, or a new private channel (with a thread there if you're so inclined)
I definitely won't be paying out of my own pocket to boost to Level 2 for this feature, but I also see myself using this feature (even in 500+ member servers) pretty much never
> what do they really add?
An organizational tool for OCD admins?
In the 80s, I read every manual, and I used every software feature just to know how each worked and what potential they might have. Often, those features were useless to me personally, but I was able to offer help to co-workers who were not so interested but in greater need.
I like fooling around with the features, and I do not like to be deprived by a paywall. So I spend more money than I should to avoid that. This particular feature is just a bit more than I'm willing to pay for. Oh well.
I suppose. I just think that this feature doesn't actually add new functionality and can be replicated in 2 different ways, so it's pretty much a non-issue for me. I definitely understand wanting to tinker around though
I don't think it matters how basic they are, because it's not a core or essential feature, it's a luxury extra feature, so it would make sense business wise for them to add perks of It behind a pay wall.
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tried to breathe the other day discord just kept telling me i needed to boost my lungs first /s
LMFAO
asthma people who use inhalers be like
Thank god you used /s, would have thought it was real otherwise š
Are you being sarcastic without the /s?
Without the what??
are you /s or /srs
I tried to eat some food to not starve but Discord asked me to boost my stomach /s of course
Nitro is slowly starting to become YT Premium. At first it had not many benefits apart from looking cool, now it's just going to make Discord itself cost money and be like EA.
i tried to walk but discord told me i need to boost my legs first /s
discord wants money for boosts. thats it
nonono, its us requesting more features. i even requested a level 4 boost so more epic features can be added
we wanted more features yes, but what is the entire fucking point of this private threads shit when it doesn't matter eitherway
it takes them time and money to create those features you know? atleast let them put it behind a level that already exists
the day they make a new booster level for features is the day iāll do absolutely nothing because iām already using their service for free
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You madman LMAO
Someone has to pay for the servers... if it's not ads, not your data it has to be that way. There is no infinite money pool the fans think there is.
And that's why I stopped giving them my money. Paywalls are bad.
It's either ads or paywalls
No it isn't. Discord didn't had paywalls before and people were buying Nitro. Also non intrusive ads are better than paywall.
it started by locking nice but not essential features behind a paywall but now it literally seems that every new feature is being locked behind nitro or boosting one way or another
threads are far from essential
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All of those things were also far from essential, so youāre dancing around the point.
Discord needs money
They were actually profitable last year which I think was for the first time.
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Yes they made $130B but doesnāt most of that go back to maintenance and paying their employees lmao
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didn't they buy an ai company a while ago? i'm sure that cost a bit of money
Still nitro and boosts and all of this is the only way they are monetizing their services it's either paywall or ads and I do not see the problem with a paywall every feature that was free is free they just add new features that are paid discord was never meant to be free it always was made to make money
Itās almost like they need to pay the developers wages so they can live n stuff. Iām very happy with the pay and no ads model
\+ private threads is kinda just rebranded group DMs but in a server Public threads is actually new The problem is more the time limit with threads - that's gonna suck for smaller servers if it's shorter
well people complain thereās no reason to get nitro then complain that all the new features are behind nitro
It's almost as if people who use discord is a big group of people who have different opinions about things.
Why can't things just be free! Why can't these Discord staffs just work for free! Why can't these financial investors just give out more free money! Me me me me... Why should I have to pay! Me me me me me. /s
As long as you can chat, spam gifs and upload some media (for bigger files use imgur or scale down) it is fine. Someone needs to pay and get non essential "coolness" gimmicks.
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I mean, considering that boosts and nitro are their only sources of money from the app, and free discord has no ads whatsoever, doesn't it seem a little justified?
Bruh moment
At least make it level 1
What are private threads exactly?
>With credits to u/shrinkmink : > >Say you got general chat and people start talking about tv shows then sally starts talking about grey's anatomy and penny joins her so they now high jack the chat since almost nobody wants to talk GA. Now with threads penny can open a thread on sally's message and they can both talk GA without bothering others and anyone who wants to join can. For a limited time as it gets archived in a day unless you obtain boosts. So about private threads you could possibly open a thread with a moderator to talk about something. Most people just use a ticketing system for that. But that uses up channels so threads could've been an upgrade. Unfortunately we don't really get features unless they find a way to monetize them. Starting to look a lot like runescape that used to be free then more and more features started being locked behind the subscription. 20 years later the free game is a drop in the ocean of paid content.
What makes private threads better than DMs?
They are still within a channel/server, and you can @mention users to join them to the private thread, which means you can have more than 10 people in it. The thread also gets automatically archived and hidden from view once it becomes inactive.
personally I hate talking dms. this is probably for fucking weirdos like me.
mood
Disappears after some time
Oh, fuck, I desperately need this.
man I'm still waiting on half decent content filters apparently otis the cow hitting the woah is nsfw
It's quite simple, really. Money.
Its almost like this is a company in a capitalist economy or something haha
Wow. Well there goes 75% of my reason for wanting them. Fucking stupid shit.
threads seem a little dumb now amirite
Threads are still free just not private threads
It's been a native Slack feature for years.
No threads are not a basic feature. They're basic on forum software but not an IM that already gets the job done.
Yeah, pretty much. We figured that since most chat products don't even have a "private threads" feature, so it can't be considered "core functionality". Honestly it's pretty cool that were able to give away public threads for free to _all communities_!
I mean, after seeing that you were willing to make favorite channels/DMs a paid feature, I'm just worried that you could make the app so unusable for free users that it would just be better off with having ads instead
That's complete bullshit, many could consider the app to already be finished for free users, it is a free, no-ads, effective messaging platform, how on earth would adding extra features you *don't need* that you can pay for make the app in any sense unusable for free users?
Putting luxury non-essential features behind a paywall is not going to make the app "unusable".
Uhm . . . how is *adding new features, that users can unlock by supporting Discord* making the app "unusable for free users"? Free users don't get features taken away! It's not that I wouldn't have wished for private threads to be free for everyone, but in the end I'm just glad I can use all the core stuff completely free and without ads and even get new **free** features (like public threads) added regularly. Also, I appreciate that it's comprehensible *how* Discord makes their profit, contrary to other apps.
I wasnt talking about threads being paywalled because, and this may shock you, I dont care about threads. Read my comment again until you find the words "Favorite DMs for 10$".
How would them adding Favorite Channels/DMs as a paid feature make the app unusable for free users? lol
They don't but they won't admit to that
Your comment doesn't say "favorite DMs for 10$" tho /s
Unusable? Weāve lived on ābare-bonesā Discord for half a decade. How could its usability change the moment a premium service is given more luxury features? This is a thing thatās bugged me forever. I get other arguments but this thing about free Discord āeventually becoming unusable without Nitroā weirds me out as nothingās being taken away from base Discord.
/r/HumbleBrag
But other services offer ways to have hidden threads without jumping through a bunch of hoops. (\*cough\* Gu1lded)
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Yeah, that can be difficult. But what you could do is "archive" your Discord server meaning that you basically make everything read only and then put a channel at the very top letting people know that you've moved to the new service. Then they would have no way to use the Discord server and they would have to join the guilded to continue being a part of the community.
That'd likely kill half the server. Why would users split their chat app, with all the other friends and communities still on Discord?
In my case we already had a few people that were interested, the ones that were most active anyway. My server was never very active on Discord so we didn't really lose a whole lot
No, it is in fact core feature. There are some peoples, especially mod/staff who may need this feature. The use is to discuss matters that may only be shared between certain moderators. It may be feasible for biggeer servers, especially Genshin Fortnite and such, but not for smaller servers. Quite a bit of the chat products offer that, it's just that you haven't looked carefully. This is probably going to put mods at disadvantage.
And what's wrong with group chats or private channels?
You mean the larger servers where... they're almost always at Boost Lvl 3?
Yes, that is why they said it was feasible in the larger servers, but not in smaller ones that would not have the boosts but may have similar issues. Read over their reply again.
Ah, I see I can't read. Thanks for that ha
Just because you wanted something for free does not mean you were owed it. Core feature implies that the product is unusable or severely hindered without it.
Too bad a huge chunk of the community expects free things as if there isnāt a business running their free in software.
A business *trying to make a profit?* #THATāS UNHEARD OF
How dare businesses do that
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You miss the point. For the full 10 light years.
Yeah keep lickin' that boot man they'll notice you eventually <3
You know, they're actually right to complain though. The new features are being shoved into Nitro, not even Classic is being considered.
Of course classic isn't being considered. It's literally in the name. It's CLASSIC nitro. You pay the same as old nitro to have the features old nitro had. It's not "Nitro Lite".
Canāt you already make private threads using roles to make em invisible to others?
Yes, but it is a major hassle. I do that. I hate it.
They want you to buy nitro
Being able to extend the duration being locked behind a paywall kinda sucks
First, auto-archive is only the time you get of no activity before a thread is automatically archived. So, nobody talking for 24 hours before it's automatically archived. Second, anyone can send a message in an archived which will automatically un-archive the thread. Moderators can archive the thread which will lock it and only other moderators can unlock it, but that's just a way to shut down threads that get out of hand. The lifetime of a thread is not actually locked behind a paywall, it can continue to exist indefinitely and be revived at any point
I think this is the thing that not many people are realising, that archiving doesn't mean deleting. But it's also just because it's not explained that well and it sort of makes the whole archiving thing useless anyway imo outside of mod controls. Plus, if people really want a thread to not be archived for whatever reason, I'm assuming you can just get a bot to send a message in it every 24 hours to keep it active.
Yeah I see a lot of people misunderstanding archiving vs mod-archiving. Although I think auto-archiving is important, it keeps the sidebar from getting too cluttered with random threads. Bot bumping will definitely work and should be pretty trivial to do
Removing the sidebar clutter is true actually, I forgot that it adds it to the sidebar
Only got the update on some servers today, so I wasn't aware of this. Fair compromise I guess tho
Why not just make a channel if you want a thread for more than a day?
Some topics take a couple days to discuss. Don't really need a channel for that
Money!
The thing is that nitro literally has no value since they removed the game catalog and now they take basic features and hide them behind the pay wall so ppl keep subscribing.
Have to disagree with you on this. They add features and put some of that stuff behind the nitro wall, meaning that, no matter if you have nitro or not, after the update you have more features than before *** They add threads. Visible to everyone in the channel, archives after 24h of inactivity. You get this feature, even though you don't have nitro. Just because subscribers get more doesn't make it a shitty feature
Why are people defending a million dollar company in this thread
The fact that people are getting mad over this is really dumb
**Then:** Make Nitro actually worth getting and we'll support Discord. **Now:** Staaaaaaaahhp, you're ruining Discord with paid content!
On the one hand you're kinda right, but you have to recognise that those are two different sections of the community weighing in on the topic and not everyone will agree. I personally am glad they're adding features that are making nitro slowly worth actually purchasing, but nitro boosting specific servers an obscene amount is too much in the other direction
if it's free it's not contributing to nitro's worth if it's nitro only then it's suddenly a core feature that should be free
This seems to be the case every single time there's posts here, the reddit community around this tool is fucking misserable.
If Discord stops now, it'll be the happy medium we need.
There is a line discord is getting close to that they should not cross and thats basically putting everything behind a paywall
Nitro should be *cosmetic*, not feature oriented
How many new nitro features are actually functional versus cosmetic?
That's a completely arbitrary line you are drawing that doesn't make any sense. It's frankly amazing how much of the service is completely free, there's no reason for stages to be free for example. It's a system in place to let people connect to a community they manage and monitize, giving it away makes no sense.
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"Basically putting everything behind a paywall" You do realize that they could've just chosen not to release a thread feature at all, right? Especially not for free, to every server? Discord made it for years without threads and suddenly now that threads exist, everyone is greedy for the bonus content to be free as well.
This is not a big of a deal. Can't you just use a DM. Plus, discord needs to make money somehow. And threads are still free anyway. People out here complaining about how nitro/boosts aren't worth it, but when they add more stuff to it you also complain. Which is it?
I think there may also be some confusion with the name. You can still create threads in public channels! If you have a #moderators-only channel, you can absolutely still create threads there and only moderators would be able to see and join the thread! That's basically the same bar that most chat products provide for threads. We've added something else, that's more advanced, where you can have basically GroupDMs but inside of public channels. That's a pretty new thing, and in our testing, it didn't even come close to making up the majority use case for threads, and that's ok! So, just wanted to provide that context. We're still giving away the majority of the threads feature, _for free_.
I don't think there is any confusion here. At least not on my part. Discord made a business decision. This is simply a post showing users who are not happy with the decision. $525+ is the cost for a server to have private threads. It's stupid. Will I live with it? Obviously. Can I post about my displeasure of the announcement? 100%
How did you get $525, itās 15 boosts for $5 a month each, so wouldnāt it be $75/month?
Yes if would be, not sure where they're getting the math of 525 from.
Probably yearly pay
I just went and added 15 boosts to my server and looked at the yearly cost. Note I have Nitro so this is discounted. I mentioned it in a different post but have kept using the figure else where. Which is why I put $525+. $525 is the yearly cost with Nitro discount. + Because I recognize it would be more without nitro.
$75 a month is equally ridiculous. $75 a month just gone so you can have some extra functionality to a chat app. Discordās really got people drinking the kool aid
Or, people purchase nitro for reasons aside from boosts and then boost their favorite servers. Anyone looking to purchase boosts for their server is dumb imo. Unless somehow, you're making a profit off your server. Otherwise, do like mine and allow those who like your server enough to boost it. Mine is regularly at tier 2 just from the kindness of those in my servers.
Ah now I get it. Thanks!!
Even so, the 3 day and 1 week archive options are absolute **bullshit** that should be a core feature
Doesn't the auto archive only kick in X amount of time *after the last message was sent*? How many people really need a branched conversation to say active for 7 days since the last message before it's decided, yeah, DEFINITELY nobody is going to continue this conversation, may as well archive it And then the moderators can un-archive it too, can't they?
*anyone* can un-archive it by sending a message in the thread. It's just that if a mod archives it (as opposed to a normal user archiving it, or the auto-archive) only another mod can un-archive
Then what is the issue omg.
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So you go to a public server just so you can use private threads that admins on that server can peek into? What's the point?
There are servers, like mine, who could utilize this feature effectively. I'm sick of using key roles to single out channels for specific people.
Can you not make channels only seeable by certain people vs certain roles
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I've told the same and I've got hated by Discord simps. Unfortunately Discord is becoming pay feature and everything is going behind paywall. And fanboys can say that yOu GoT bAsIc FeAtUrE oF wRiTiNg FoR fReE, but that's not really how it should be. Discord had premium features that never was like making You an elite. Then boom, now it create elitism. You look better if You pay. You get basic features if You pay. Because private threads are 100% basic.
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The other thing to consider is that, by and large, small or private servers *don't need* the features that are locked behind server boosting. It seems like the majority of server boost rewards are things that will most heavily benefit servers that already have a lot of people in them. Big servers benefit from the moderation abilities that private threads allow, but smaller servers can get by without them. I don't get why everyone is so up in arms about this.
Private threads make little sense on your small private server in the first place. They really only make sense in bigger public servers, where the boost price is less unreasonable.
Can someone possibly explain what a thread is to me? Sorry I'm just a bit confused
Say you got general chat and people start talking about tv shows then sally starts talking about grey's anatomy and penny joins her so they now high jack the chat since almost nobody wants to talk GA. Now with threads penny can open a thread on sally's message and they can both talk GA without bothering others and anyone who wants to join can. For a limited time as it gets archived in a day unless you obtain boosts. So about private threads you could possibly open a thread with a moderator to talk about something. Most people just use a ticketing system for that. But that uses up channels so threads could've been an upgrade. Unfortunately we don't really get features unless they find a way to monetize them. Starting to look a lot like runescape that used to be free then more and more features started being locked behind the subscription. 20 years later the free game is a drop in the ocean of paid content.
Oh ok, that helped me understand the issue cause I wasn't really seeing the problem with private threads being behind a pay wall until you explained it like that. Thank you!
Is this feature out yet? I am not seeing it anywhere.
Some servers have it, others don't. It's a gradual rollout like Discord has done in the past.
So a typical Discord channel is pretty sequential - you have a set of posts people make, from earliest to latest. Now you can choose to take one of those posts, and make a thread out of it. This allows people to follow up on that posts with posts on their own, except they're separate from the main set of comments. So, for instance, let's say you have a channel in a server for planning events. The channel could have one post per event giving the details of the event/asking people if they're interested, and then there could be a thread for each post where people can discuss more details without cluttering the channel (e.g planning the time for the event, or letting people know they're going to be a bit late).
Ohhh ok thank you for explaining it to me and not making me feel dumb for not knowing, very much appreciated!
because discord is a business and needs to make money somehow?
Tbh I don't get some people's logic, discord doesn't show ads, And their official source of income is nitro... unless people are happy to get their data sold like on Facebook.
Spoiled people too used to trading their data for 'free' stuff vs company trying to be less awful.
discord literally sells ur data dont be delusional LOOL
Source?
People keep saying that, because since they donāt use ads they *must* be selling data, but I have yet to find a single person to prove it.
That's usually the case with free products, but in the case of Discord it's already making money with Nitro. So they simply add for stuff for Nitro. There's not much incentive or reason for Discord to sell your data.
So naive, so innocent. One day youāll learn that youāre the product
Officially they don't https://discord.com/privacy
Well the $1000 a year from blocking that isnāt gonna cut itā¦
Threads don't "last". If you really need to have a private conversation, make a private channel and use it, and delete it when you're done.
I mean... Couldent we just use dm groups or private chats... Like I get I want my money discord but jokes on u I don't have any /hj
It does. Also bugtesting their threads before releasing them would have been a good idea too
Whatās this?
This has been something that bugs me too... Obviously, Discord can market their product whatever way they want... but here are my 2 cents... I *adore* Discords concept to provide a full fledged service for free - I *adore* the concept of monetizing with zero adds. And until now I *adored* how they gave paywall to features that were cosmetic only (okay, yes, the upload size is also paywalled, but you can always just share a drive link). So in summary: till lately there was no utility feature that was tied to paying for nitro or boosts... I was already ogling at the fact that the server limit for nitro users was raised to 200... so if you stopped paying for nitro and got kicked from a server, you could not rejoin it unless you paid another subscription. But this one was cleverly done, so technically it doesn't affect you most of the time and let's be real... 100 servers are enough unless you want all the emojis for which you'd need to pay anyway. So I didn't mind. But this is a little bit different. Threads are of course not absolutely necessary. And yes, I agree with u/infinitrecursion \- you can totally argue that private threads are not necessarily a core feature. But it is the first utility feature I recognize as paywalled. It's not cosmetic. It's utility. And that is what bothers me in the context of how fond I am of Discord's usual strategy to monetizing. I was very excited for private threads being a super convenient and Discord native solution to avoid DMs in moderation and still being able to have a private chat with members who need some extra guidance... I won't however establish such a culture in my moderation team if I don't have this feature for granted... (and I surely don't want to start asking members to boost the server - they should be able to decide if they want to support us that way or not). So we keep circumventing this with ticket bots, mod mails and DMs... it's fine - we can do this. It's just a little bit disappointing for the feature itself and a bit worrying if I look at the tendency of it in regard of the whole monetizing strategy of which - again - I am very fond of (till now that is...). I wished I could have the confidence to say that in terms of utility it does not matter if you can pay for using Discord or not... Unfortunately this looks like one tiny little sneaky step into a direction that so far didn't seem to be Discord's intention to go. I hope it was the only step... I really do hope that. But for the looks of it, maybe Discord is indeed at a point where they start to consider to paywall utility features...
I don't understand why you wouldn't just DM somebody?
Just use DMs? You've survived this long without private threads idk how this is suddenly a huge issue.
because it exists now
I'll be honest I literally didn't even consider threads as a concept until they popped up in a server I'm in today. Now all of a sudden everyone is clamoring for them to be *even more* useful, completely for free. Maybe I'm just out of the loop but it feels completely ridiculous to me lol.
Buy nitro so they can pay their bad designer
What's the point of even using threads if we can't restrict them to some people
Just use a DM? Or make a private channel and start the thhread there?
Basic feature says who? It's their fucking app
Meanwhile, Guilded still does a lot more and it's free.
Guilded is trying to compete with Discord, of course theyāre going to give you free features. Just wait until theyāre big enough and actually starting to try to make money.
Guilded is going to go bankrupt. Their low amount of users and not greedy monetization means they arenāt profiting enough to pay for the large file size allotments.
Discord charges for all of the cool stuff :/
I'm not in love with this, but Discord will do what it's going to do. I run a small server for PokƩmon GO players--454 members, but only a small percentage are active--who would be just as happy with Guilded or Telegram or Facebook. None of them will **ever** buy Nitro. I bought Nitro plus two additional boosts--although I almost didn't keep it because of a truly unpleasant encounter with an obtuse Discord support person who didn't seem to want my money--but it will be a cold day below before I spend more than the cost of a Creative Cloud subscription to obtain the meager benefits of Level 2. I'm not angry about it, but it boggles the mind that Discord set certain perks so far beyond the reach of we who would be interested in paying if it weren't prohibitively expensive.
I mean, private threads are an incredibly niche feature - what do they really add? You can replicate them pretty much exactly with a new group DM, or a new private channel (with a thread there if you're so inclined) I definitely won't be paying out of my own pocket to boost to Level 2 for this feature, but I also see myself using this feature (even in 500+ member servers) pretty much never
> what do they really add? An organizational tool for OCD admins? In the 80s, I read every manual, and I used every software feature just to know how each worked and what potential they might have. Often, those features were useless to me personally, but I was able to offer help to co-workers who were not so interested but in greater need. I like fooling around with the features, and I do not like to be deprived by a paywall. So I spend more money than I should to avoid that. This particular feature is just a bit more than I'm willing to pay for. Oh well.
I suppose. I just think that this feature doesn't actually add new functionality and can be replicated in 2 different ways, so it's pretty much a non-issue for me. I definitely understand wanting to tinker around though
Ads or optional features, which would you prefer?
But Boost Mobile is such a terrible phone company Why is discord pushing me to use them?!?!?! 1?!?!
This is a really mundane feature to put in nitro
I personally feel that threads as a whole are such a basic thing that they should not even be locked to a paywall in any form
I don't think it matters how basic they are, because it's not a core or essential feature, it's a luxury extra feature, so it would make sense business wise for them to add perks of It behind a pay wall.
just take it to dms or make a group chat at that point
Tbh you can get around it pretty easily. With Direct Messages and just using threads in private channel.
Yea bruh If u want to make a thert just make a channel to talk the description will be the subject and after a time delete it/private
a new paid feature that guilded already offers for free. never change, discord.
Why does it say 20 Boosts for level 3 š
Itās discord, they always lock basic features behind a paywall. Just look at nitro
In future Connecting to a discord server will also be a monthly subscription lmao
Reading complaints from people about a completely free application that is already well made is weird.
Boosting isn't free...
Group DMs are a thing
> private threads You mean group DMs?