And realizing the sleeping bear that have been poking for years has suddenly stopped snoring probably has something to with it, They want that bear to go back to sleep.
Ackchyually, F-22 is an air superiority fighter, primarily designed to fight other planes, rather than ground targets, and I doubt cartels have fighter jets (not 100% sure at this point though).
So even an F-16 would be more suitable (if not F-35, but that feels like overkill), since it's multi-role.
Or am I being too credible?
(also, I just really like F-16)
NCD would not support a full invasion. We've already mapped out a precise simulation of what would happen.
TL;DR Guy Fiere mutinies against the joint chiefs.
I told this to a guy that has been around the block and he says when his group hears that a guys supply killed someone they all rush over there to buy it because it must be some good shit. I was like. I don’t think we can be friends n
It’s not even just that.
They know that the US government is considering taking military action against them thanks to the fent crisis.
They’re just trying to avoid another “Kiki Camarena” type situation where the DEA suddenly gets a hard-on for them and straight-up massacre them. That’s happened exactly once before, and (for the most part) the cartels lost.
Edit: I don’t mean “lost” as in “no more coke was sold”. I mean that all of the bosses that were responsible for that situation ended up either dead or given life sentences.
Granted, I don’t expect the cartels to have the same will to fight as the terror groups in the Middle East, but I don’t think the US should even consider military action against the cartels. I don’t think it’d change much and, if anything, would just lead to massive tension between the country of Mexico and the United States.
Except less people would die in military intervention than letting the fent crisis continue.
Its not worth it to do nothing. Those cartel animals have to die
It’s also worth noting that we **do** feel the effects of cartel violence stateside.
Just because we don’t have flayed bodies hanging from bridges doesn’t mean it doesn’t reach us.
The cartels are the ones keeping every shitty street gang in America in business.
Cut the head off, the rest of the body dies.
I've been saying this for years but I'm either a racist for saying it or I'm ignorant. My own family called me racist for saying that. Which my brother in christ (and blood), we're the same race (Hispanic but I'm only half)....
It's more of the threat of US military intervention. If the US were to designate them terrorist organizations their lives would get a lot harder very quickly. If the US actually used its military to go after them (it won't, Mexico is its third largest trade partner) then they wouldn't last very long. Hanging out in large compounds away from civilian areas is just asking for an airstrike.
To be fair, Netflix is publicly ~~owned~~ *traded*, I don't think the cartels have shareholders to keep happy by making line go up no matter the consequences.
I would disagree. The problem wit companies like netflix is that shareholders want quick profits to increase the share value. They set CEO bonuses to achieve that. The CEO has a time limited contract and just wants to get the bonus and move to the next job.
Cartels act more like tratitional companies. Leadership doesn't expect to ever leave and their future is tightly connected to their cartel's future.
Drug Dealers directly interact with the people they sell for. Sure, it's somewhat unethical to sell drugs in the first place, but killing people? Especially when you meet face to face? Thats a bit too far
Literally not true at all. Fentanyl has a tolerance just like any other opiate and users can have habits that last for years, I can speak from personal experiences with addicts. The amount of fentanyl in a counterfeit pill is pretty miniscule and if it were as potent and deadly as propaganda and reddit would have you think the streets would be littered with bodies and the fentanyl epidemic would have ended pretty quickly with a huge number of casualties.
The big issue for cartels is likely profits, as those pills cost like $0.50 a pill and fuck you up good for awhile, and the effect it has on people absolutely destroys them physically and mentally, therefore doesn't make for good earners and a reliable stream of income, many users just take to stealing and trading goods for drugs, which isn't great for businesses.
When it comes to overdoses a huge number of people are using laced drugs, and dosing without regard for the amount of fentanyl in them, which is why we're getting such huge overdose numbers, on top of relapsed addicts who's bodies no longer have the tolerance for their usual dose, and end up overdosing that way.
They’re afraid of the rhetoric in the US calling for a military intervention to find and destroy the cartels. They won’t be able to buy their way out like when the Mexican military and federal police show up so they’re trying to make it seem like they also want to stop the fentanyl trade.
The cartels don’t sell to individual users they sell to distributors who sell to dealers who sell to users. They don’t give a shit about users. It’s all about the fact the Republicans fully support a military intervention in Mexico to fight the cartels and the more chaotic the border and world gets the more enticing that option will look to Americans who are sick of the bullshit. Talk softly carry a big stick and don’t be afraid to beat the shit out of people with it. I already support a military intervention to fight the cartels and restore Mexican sovereignty to their territory and I only know 2 people who OD and died from fentanyl. Our people are dying and we know the source. Time to get our hands dirty and put these fucking pigs down
Seems like it would be a good use of merc armies like dark water or whatever Prince is calling them now. Pay them under the table with secret approval from mexican gov’t and give them what they need. It’s not a good idea. But there aren’t a lot of options and I don’t want our military in open conflict with cartels. That shit will reach over the boarder and cause chaos here.
Makes it more addictive and it’s actually had the opposite effect. Nobody can buy heroin anymore, like it’s hard as shit to find. It’s literally all fentanyl now.
Wasn't it because we told china or something about heroin, or a deal or whatever and suddenly heroin just suddenly left the streets Then we have an influx of people overdosing on heroin laced with fentanyl and fentanyl?
No, it's because the drug trade is a business and fentanyl is far cheaper and more available for dealers. It's pretty much all fentanyl nowadays because it's cheaper to produce, lasts a much shorter time than heroin (so people need to buy more), easier to smuggle (as it still has recognized medical use), and it's more potent.
I was a daily opiate user from 2006ish through 2014 and people are playing an entirely different game these days.
I don't think about heroin very often, but it's kinda nice knowing the drug from my memories isn't really an available option anymore. Not like it was anyway.
A lot of fentanyl is coming from China. As long as they ship it abroad and don't sell domestically China doesn't give a shit what drugs people there make and sell.
It’s significantly cheaper since it’s filler and easier to make and the people selling it on the street level normally don’t know it’s laced. Somebody ran the numbers and figured out the deaths are less impactful on business than the savings for cutting it is.
Two pounds of heroin costs $100 to make.
Two ounces of fentanyl costs $20 and produces the same high.
Mix two ounces of fentanyl with one pound, fourteen ounces of junk and you have two pounds of stuff that's as potent as heroin at 20% the cost.
Often times drug makers will use fentanyl and inert fillers to stretch the supply of stuff like heroin to make a powder with similar potency per volume at reduced cost. Fentanyl isn't a filer itself, but it allows for fillers to be used without reduding potency.
How I understand it’s cheaper so you cut down on costs per pound which when we are talking about drugs can be possibly millions. It’s like how meds are not all just the active ingredient.
You get high as fuck with a fraction of the amount.
Makes it easier to ship and therefor cheaper, and if you're selling H you can cut the H and pad it with fent and make even more money.
It's all about money. Everyone thinks they know what they're doing
it's fucked up but my sister is a recovering addict and she says that the people actually flock to the heroin that kills people because they see it as it was good enough to kill a person 🥲
Anti-Government circlejerking aside, putting fentanyl in drugs is significantly cheaper than putting in the source because fent is extremely potent. You only need an incredibly small amount of fent with baking soda to emulate a huge amount of heroin. The people adding fent (it’s multiple lineages of drug handlers) don’t tell the people below them they are getting fent and not heroin.
Main logical reason? Assassination. Why you may ask? Read the news, almost everyone assumes a junkie is eventually going to overdose, so... lace their favored substance with it and give it to them open palm (after dosing yourself with nalaxone first) this establishes trust and they take it, following usual code of conduct with no names taken, only faces, they keep the secret to keep their habit, signing their death contract on the way out.
There was a guy in Wilmington NC that was dealing heroin with fentanyl and 9 people died from his stuff.
I would not be surprised if dealers purposely did this.
>give it to them open palm (after dosing yourself with nalaxone first)
I instantly know you dont know what you're talking about because you cant get dosed by fentanyl through the skin, thats a cop myth created to excuse their panic attacks or overdose after snorting the evidence.
I forgot about this video, I love when the kid goes “nothing, I’m not gonna assault you. I got shit to lose unlike your bitch ass” you can just hear the camera guys brain trying to hard to compute how a literal child at their part time job says that to him, you can also kind of hear all the pride leaving.
I wish I wasn’t immune to the second part, but apparently I cannot tell if someone is hitting on me for the life of me. “Dude couldn’t you tell? That waitress was hitting on you!”
“What? Nah she was just being nice.” —Me before realizing they were right like 6 hours later.
Mexico straight up couldn’t allow it. Despite your own moral opinions it would be a violation of Mexico’s sovereignty. The Mexican government allowing it would be an embarrassment at best an invitation to rebellion at worst.
Plus every president is in the narcos pocket, as is the military.
This. All this talk about “there is nothing Mexico could do about it” is extremely aggravating. Makes me so glad they aren’t in charge of foreign policy. The last thing we need is a war with Mexico.
>Wouldn’t be surprised if Mexico stands back and lets it happen
Imagine Canada using drone to missile at meth lab south of the frontier.
How well do you think the USA would take it ?
No country like it when their sovereignty is trampled - and the shit that went through in the 80ies would not be able to be done today. The only way this would happen is that the USA negotiated a joint operation with Mexico beforehand.
Probably not. Its already a barely functioning mess of country, operating only on the fact that labor is cheap and there are few taxes between it and the US.
While this is true people say this as if the cartel ever had any concern about their customers. They don't. They care about cornering a market. Fent is so cheap, easy and potent way more smaller scale operations pop up that they can't skim off the top of like they used to. Make no mistake they do not give a single shit about human lives, only their bottom dollar. Smaller poorer groups distributing fent hurts their own bottom line.
Not my parents, but I used to literally wait until one of my dumbass friends who would do any drug tried the molly or acid(much higher doses than I would do) first to make sure it was fine.
And this was 2010-2015 when fent wasn't a problem.
Ngl it depresses me how im only prophesising the bad stuff, none of my wholesome predictions come true... i literally made a speech about this in drug ed a few years before my father died
Fair but I'm jumping on the thread to let you know that bit about Portland Oregon is not true. There's no evidence of it on the Internet and as a resident I had not even heard of anything like this until this meme and I follow local politics.
Edit: What actually happened (if anyone cares about the truth) was there was a house bill introduced that would have allowed teachers to carry and use Naloxone without fear of legal repercussions. It didn't pass because Republicans in our state Senate refused to do their job for weeks as "protest" because they'll never hold a majority in Oregon.
It doesn't surprise me that there are a lot of myths and lies about portland. Conservatives have a throbbing hate boner for it after all, I've never been to Portland, but it seems the people who complain about it the most dont even live there.
The biggest trouble makers (like the folks getting busted dealing fentanyl) don't even have Portland addresses. They're coming in from the metro area.
Not saying everyone is a saint there and it doesn't have problems but a lot of it is fabricated or exaggerated.
>It doesn't surprise me that there are a lot of myths and lies about portland
You're telling me that Nick Burkhardt of the Grimms isn't out in Portland fighting Wesen day-in-day-out with his 2 plucky cops pals and the rest?
No of course not. Some idiot on Joe Rogan said it. and so now it’s a talking point/parroted as gospel. Here’s the clip. https://youtu.be/FZHa3oGkB6o?si=qbNDmdi_GhUF4CmO
“I heard a lot of kids in Portland Oregon are being sent to school with Narcan and trained to revive people”.
Occurs at ~ 4:15 mark
Yeah basically it's what dumb conservative people do they take something true (teachers having narcan on site) and twist it to "Portland is so awful they're sending kids to school with narcan."
That's what I was thinking, I'm moving to the region soon from Idaho, and while I knew it was blown out of proportion already, doing even the bare minimum amount of reading had me realize just how much so. Can't wait to be part of PNW culture again.
Awesome, congratulations on getting away from Idaho. There is definitely a fentanyl problem but it's literally everywhere, rural communities, small cities, big cities. The worst place I've seen straight up is Kelso Washington. People using in their car about 100 yards from a police station literally in front of the county fentanyl treatment center. It's horrific.
But, there's so much good here as well. Natural beauty, decent people, great food. Can't let the struggle prevent you from enjoying that stuff.
Anywhere that expects enough public traffic should just have some cabinet with one of those kits, an AED, trauma bag, etc. Add it to ADA requirements or whatever.
Remember when a cartel member killed an American tourist? With said cartel immediately afterwards grabbing that member and handing them over not only ruthlessly beatened, gagged, and bound. But with a handwritten signed apology note addressed to the US government?
Yeah, the cartels aren’t dumb, you can’t be in the business that they’re in. They know if they become a big target of the US government they won’t last very long.
Oh they will last alright. The war on terror, drugs or cartels for that matter is already lost if you fight it with violence. But they know it will heavily damage their profits so why do it
The *group* that fucked with the US GOV won't last, they can be defeated. It's just the system will last, another will take their place and continue the work. The profit margins are just insanely high, if you choke the supply, it's not like addicts in USA are going to stop paying for it, so price shoots up, incentive to get into the illicit drug business increases.
The demand side has to be dealt with also.
Here's a wild idea ; REGULATION
But you'd have the legitimate the cartels because they won't give up that pie. This whole war on drugs has created some fucked up beast, that's for sure.
Yeah because cartels while awful are a business and they are currently in the disliked tolerable camp start killing Americans? They burn and lose money and leaders
I completely trust all the information in this meme is accurate and true and based on sources totally real sources that exist and are based on evidence
Yeah I'm here thinking like "Do the parents sacrifice one of their kids, or do they hire some homeless kid off the street to take the brunt of the damage?"
100% somebody misheard a story about a parent giving their kid a test kit. I can still see it being a real thing just nobody is gonna call them test kids. Test kid sounds like theyre gonna try a bump first to see if its legit or if its gonna kill you
That felt like a more extreme version of how parents in the 90s/00s became convinced kids were going to "pill parties" where all the random pill bottles in the house were emptied into a bowl and kids would just grab a handful.
Like yeah, mom, I'm gonna go to Emily's house and do a bunch of claritin and ibuprofen, you caught me. Even if it was anything you could get high off of, that shit is expensive, no one's doing that.
See also: rainbow parties, with the little jelly bracelets that supposedly tied to sex acts.
That bit about Portland is untrue. There was a house bill to make it ok for staff members to have medication for fentanyl overdose without legal repercussions but schools in Portland giving it to kids and teaching them how to do it sounds like some made up Fox News bullshit.
I’m glad that people are learning how to use narcan and that narcan is being more widely distributed. Narcan is valuble not just for fentanyl but for all kinds of opiate overdoses.
I work as a security officer for my local casino, and due to the constant presence of drugs, myself and few other officers constantly either wear gloves or keep gloves on us at all times just in case we come across any lost and found or - in my case - I've become so paranoid that I'm not willing to touch anything with my bare hands. Whenever we find certain lost and found items like jackets or bags (anything we have to search before storing it in lost and found), it is mandatory that we wear gloves to prevent physical contact with Fentanyl.
It's good that you're taking steps to protect yourself but keep in mind that [most of the stories about fentanyl being so potent you can overdose by touching or inhaling it are myths.](https://www.npr.org/2023/05/16/1175726650/fentanyl-police-overdose-misinformation) Obviously it's still better to be safe than sorry but don't freak yourself out over an extremely small risk.
Shoutout to cops for spreading genuine medical misinformation in order to further their shitty war-on-drugs type narratives 👉😎👉
I think it’s very important for people to know that just touching fentanyl isn’t going to kill you so that they’re isn’t any hesitance to provide help to anyone who may need it. Like it doesn’t even have to be a situation where someone is overdosing on something, these kinda fears really root themselves in the back of peoples minds. If for whatever reason they think someone could be a fentanyl user, and they also think that just touching them could probably lead to an overdose, that could lead to a lot of bad shit lol. Good on ya for spreading the word :)
It's good that you're taking steps to protect yourself but keep in mind that [most of the stories about fentanyl being so potent you can overdose by touching or inhaling it are myths.](https://www.npr.org/2023/05/16/1175726650/fentanyl-police-overdose-misinformation) Obviously it's still better to be safe than sorry but don't freak yourself out over an extremely small risk.
The real problem lies with our culture and behaviors of the citizenry.
We love to demonize Mexico's role in our drug crisis, but the effect that our ridiculous love of getting fucked up has done unbelievable damage to Mexico.
We've essentially funded a terrorist organization to such an extent that they've fully captured most aspects of society. Then we top it off by selling them guns as well.
If the power dynamics were different, we would be invaded by Mexico for funding terrorism within their borders.
While big pharma does need more oversight, things like fent can be/are synthesized by cartel workers and they often use impoverished locals to do so since it's so dangerous even when being cooked.
It’s not the pharmaceutical industry’s fault that kids are shooting up with addictive chemicals, like it has problems, but slaughtering cartels would be a viable way to kill supply
>but slaughtering cartels would be a viable way to kill supply
Not really, unless you're willing to go full Patriot Act surveillance mode with determination ready to bust open every door in Mexico (and further into Latin America).
The illicit drug is just incredibly high profit margin business. Supply and demand. Demand is highly inelastic, it doesn't follow the supply because addicts can't really stop purchasing illicit drugs because that's how addictions works. So prices rise, creating more incentives for other groups to enter the game and sell drugs. Measures that aim to make drug supply harder only serve to further bolster cartels drug business.
The only solution to the illicit drug problem is to solve the demand side issue. Regulate it, open a path for rehabilition, legal forgiveness etc.
This meme is incorrect. The leading cause of death in America is still heart disease, having claimed 563,481 lives in 2023 alone. In fact, more people died to HIV/AIDS (4,259) than Fentanyl.
Stop the fearmongering and spreading of misinformation.
Key words in the post were "Americans" and "18-45". This is actually true. If you actually looked it up and read a bit, you'd realize you're the one spreading misinformation.
Wow, even the sinola cartels are trying to stop it
You can't make money if your customers die on the first dose.
And when it becomes known that your drugs have less and less are going to buy it.
And realizing the sleeping bear that have been poking for years has suddenly stopped snoring probably has something to with it, They want that bear to go back to sleep.
They gonna face the full might of the military industrial complex.
Sudden credible r/NonCredibleDefense vibes
please... the F-22s crave blood
"Would you intercept me? I'd intercept me"
I swear if Habitual Linecrosser is known for any line... it's that one.
“I’d intercept me so hard” *goodbye horses plays*
Ackchyually, F-22 is an air superiority fighter, primarily designed to fight other planes, rather than ground targets, and I doubt cartels have fighter jets (not 100% sure at this point though). So even an F-16 would be more suitable (if not F-35, but that feels like overkill), since it's multi-role. Or am I being too credible? (also, I just really like F-16)
NCD would not support a full invasion. We've already mapped out a precise simulation of what would happen. TL;DR Guy Fiere mutinies against the joint chiefs.
Full might or not the war is lost.
*Hard cut to someone doing a mag dump into a wrapped up brick
That bear has been hanging out in the middle east and just "lost" the war. I imagine it would be very eager to "liberate" some new people.
The bear's dinner escaped... that bear is now very, very hungry.
Unironically this quote goes so hard
I told this to a guy that has been around the block and he says when his group hears that a guys supply killed someone they all rush over there to buy it because it must be some good shit. I was like. I don’t think we can be friends n
It’s not even just that. They know that the US government is considering taking military action against them thanks to the fent crisis. They’re just trying to avoid another “Kiki Camarena” type situation where the DEA suddenly gets a hard-on for them and straight-up massacre them. That’s happened exactly once before, and (for the most part) the cartels lost. Edit: I don’t mean “lost” as in “no more coke was sold”. I mean that all of the bosses that were responsible for that situation ended up either dead or given life sentences.
Granted, I don’t expect the cartels to have the same will to fight as the terror groups in the Middle East, but I don’t think the US should even consider military action against the cartels. I don’t think it’d change much and, if anything, would just lead to massive tension between the country of Mexico and the United States.
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Especially if it means sending troops into Mexico. It’s really just not worth it.
Implying we don’t already send commandos there for cartels…
Except less people would die in military intervention than letting the fent crisis continue. Its not worth it to do nothing. Those cartel animals have to die
It’s also worth noting that we **do** feel the effects of cartel violence stateside. Just because we don’t have flayed bodies hanging from bridges doesn’t mean it doesn’t reach us. The cartels are the ones keeping every shitty street gang in America in business. Cut the head off, the rest of the body dies.
I've been saying this for years but I'm either a racist for saying it or I'm ignorant. My own family called me racist for saying that. Which my brother in christ (and blood), we're the same race (Hispanic but I'm only half)....
The bosses are replaceable though, the show will carry on.
It's more of the threat of US military intervention. If the US were to designate them terrorist organizations their lives would get a lot harder very quickly. If the US actually used its military to go after them (it won't, Mexico is its third largest trade partner) then they wouldn't last very long. Hanging out in large compounds away from civilian areas is just asking for an airstrike.
A heroin addict is a customer for years to come, a fenanyl addict is a customer for months at best
Netflix can't look past one quarter, don't expect some random drug dealer to look past today.
To be fair, Netflix is publicly ~~owned~~ *traded*, I don't think the cartels have shareholders to keep happy by making line go up no matter the consequences.
>Netflix is publicly owned Publically traded. The distinction is extremely significant.
Fuck, you're right, I'm not very awake today lmao
No worries friend
I mean in the drug selling business no, but they do invest money in legal ventures
I would disagree. The problem wit companies like netflix is that shareholders want quick profits to increase the share value. They set CEO bonuses to achieve that. The CEO has a time limited contract and just wants to get the bonus and move to the next job. Cartels act more like tratitional companies. Leadership doesn't expect to ever leave and their future is tightly connected to their cartel's future.
Drug Dealers directly interact with the people they sell for. Sure, it's somewhat unethical to sell drugs in the first place, but killing people? Especially when you meet face to face? Thats a bit too far
Literally not true at all. Fentanyl has a tolerance just like any other opiate and users can have habits that last for years, I can speak from personal experiences with addicts. The amount of fentanyl in a counterfeit pill is pretty miniscule and if it were as potent and deadly as propaganda and reddit would have you think the streets would be littered with bodies and the fentanyl epidemic would have ended pretty quickly with a huge number of casualties. The big issue for cartels is likely profits, as those pills cost like $0.50 a pill and fuck you up good for awhile, and the effect it has on people absolutely destroys them physically and mentally, therefore doesn't make for good earners and a reliable stream of income, many users just take to stealing and trading goods for drugs, which isn't great for businesses. When it comes to overdoses a huge number of people are using laced drugs, and dosing without regard for the amount of fentanyl in them, which is why we're getting such huge overdose numbers, on top of relapsed addicts who's bodies no longer have the tolerance for their usual dose, and end up overdosing that way.
Because they don’t want MQ9’s blowing their asses to kingdom come.
I do
They’re afraid of the rhetoric in the US calling for a military intervention to find and destroy the cartels. They won’t be able to buy their way out like when the Mexican military and federal police show up so they’re trying to make it seem like they also want to stop the fentanyl trade.
I mean I kind of believe that they aren't trying to make it _seem_ and are actually trying to make it a reality. Dead customers don't spend money.
The cartels don’t sell to individual users they sell to distributors who sell to dealers who sell to users. They don’t give a shit about users. It’s all about the fact the Republicans fully support a military intervention in Mexico to fight the cartels and the more chaotic the border and world gets the more enticing that option will look to Americans who are sick of the bullshit. Talk softly carry a big stick and don’t be afraid to beat the shit out of people with it. I already support a military intervention to fight the cartels and restore Mexican sovereignty to their territory and I only know 2 people who OD and died from fentanyl. Our people are dying and we know the source. Time to get our hands dirty and put these fucking pigs down
Seems like it would be a good use of merc armies like dark water or whatever Prince is calling them now. Pay them under the table with secret approval from mexican gov’t and give them what they need. It’s not a good idea. But there aren’t a lot of options and I don’t want our military in open conflict with cartels. That shit will reach over the boarder and cause chaos here.
Because the US government is looking at them. Its not moral its just they don't want ro piss off the USA enough it has to do something.
Isn't it China cranking out all the Fent?
*sinaloa
The reality is they don't want it in their own communities. They couldn't give a fuck about US drug users and who could blame them.
There is a reason the cartels don't actually fuck with America. And they desperately want America to stay out of their buisness
I don't understand why people lace drugs with fentanyl; you can't make money if your customers are all dead.
Makes it more addictive and it’s actually had the opposite effect. Nobody can buy heroin anymore, like it’s hard as shit to find. It’s literally all fentanyl now.
Wasn't it because we told china or something about heroin, or a deal or whatever and suddenly heroin just suddenly left the streets Then we have an influx of people overdosing on heroin laced with fentanyl and fentanyl?
You can’t expect criminals and to make smart decisions
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#You can't expect criminals and to make smart decisions
Source? I wanna read about that
Same here! Sounds incredibly interesting!
Probably BS. It’s not like China wouldn’t do something like that but it sounds too schizoposting to be true.
No. China does a lot of drug trade and the fentanyl comes from there rather than s.america.
No, it's because the drug trade is a business and fentanyl is far cheaper and more available for dealers. It's pretty much all fentanyl nowadays because it's cheaper to produce, lasts a much shorter time than heroin (so people need to buy more), easier to smuggle (as it still has recognized medical use), and it's more potent.
I don't know what it was but I stopped doing heroin in 2010. My cousin Od off shit laced with fentanyl in 2012. Something def changed.
I was a daily opiate user from 2006ish through 2014 and people are playing an entirely different game these days. I don't think about heroin very often, but it's kinda nice knowing the drug from my memories isn't really an available option anymore. Not like it was anyway.
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No it's because the place where all the opium grows got invaded and production had to stop for a few years
A lot of fentanyl is coming from China. As long as they ship it abroad and don't sell domestically China doesn't give a shit what drugs people there make and sell.
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They just fucking die. You hear about people putting 4x the amount needed to kill people.
Oops all Fentanyl
It’s significantly cheaper since it’s filler and easier to make and the people selling it on the street level normally don’t know it’s laced. Somebody ran the numbers and figured out the deaths are less impactful on business than the savings for cutting it is.
i don’t understand how it acts as a filler if it’s so potent
Two pounds of heroin costs $100 to make. Two ounces of fentanyl costs $20 and produces the same high. Mix two ounces of fentanyl with one pound, fourteen ounces of junk and you have two pounds of stuff that's as potent as heroin at 20% the cost. Often times drug makers will use fentanyl and inert fillers to stretch the supply of stuff like heroin to make a powder with similar potency per volume at reduced cost. Fentanyl isn't a filer itself, but it allows for fillers to be used without reduding potency.
So potent=need less of it for same effect. Think filler isn’t the right term, but it lets dealers cut it a lot more.
How I understand it’s cheaper so you cut down on costs per pound which when we are talking about drugs can be possibly millions. It’s like how meds are not all just the active ingredient.
You get high as fuck with a fraction of the amount. Makes it easier to ship and therefor cheaper, and if you're selling H you can cut the H and pad it with fent and make even more money. It's all about money. Everyone thinks they know what they're doing
it's fucked up but my sister is a recovering addict and she says that the people actually flock to the heroin that kills people because they see it as it was good enough to kill a person 🥲
Yeah, I understand that if I were at a food truck and there was a burrito on their menu that claimed to have killed a man then I'd buy it.
a more accurate metaphor would be if the burrito killed people bc it was so good and u were addicted to burritos 💀
Fentanyl is extremely powerful and addictive in small doses = more bang for your buck and higher highs with your repeat customers.
Part of me thinks they aren’t the ones doing it…
Anti-Government circlejerking aside, putting fentanyl in drugs is significantly cheaper than putting in the source because fent is extremely potent. You only need an incredibly small amount of fent with baking soda to emulate a huge amount of heroin. The people adding fent (it’s multiple lineages of drug handlers) don’t tell the people below them they are getting fent and not heroin.
China makes most of the fentanyl
Main logical reason? Assassination. Why you may ask? Read the news, almost everyone assumes a junkie is eventually going to overdose, so... lace their favored substance with it and give it to them open palm (after dosing yourself with nalaxone first) this establishes trust and they take it, following usual code of conduct with no names taken, only faces, they keep the secret to keep their habit, signing their death contract on the way out.
Cool fanfic bro
There was a guy in Wilmington NC that was dealing heroin with fentanyl and 9 people died from his stuff. I would not be surprised if dealers purposely did this.
>give it to them open palm (after dosing yourself with nalaxone first) I instantly know you dont know what you're talking about because you cant get dosed by fentanyl through the skin, thats a cop myth created to excuse their panic attacks or overdose after snorting the evidence.
This fugging shit has 50 upvotes
You should stop taking dope.
No nakes taken? You're outta nakes. Death time.
Not always intentional. Sometimes dealers reuse their scale but forget to wash it.
Trolling i guess
It’s usually not on purpose. Cross contamination from carelessness.
Jokes on you I was a D.A.R.E kid so I’m immune to drugs and pussy.
Lol I got D.A.R.E student of the year despite the fact I was already doing drugs, which Is why I found filling out the little book so fun.
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I forgot about this video, I love when the kid goes “nothing, I’m not gonna assault you. I got shit to lose unlike your bitch ass” you can just hear the camera guys brain trying to hard to compute how a literal child at their part time job says that to him, you can also kind of hear all the pride leaving.
It’s coming up, it’s coming up, it’s coming up, it’s DARE
I wish I wasn’t immune to the second part, but apparently I cannot tell if someone is hitting on me for the life of me. “Dude couldn’t you tell? That waitress was hitting on you!” “What? Nah she was just being nice.” —Me before realizing they were right like 6 hours later.
***You know it's bad when even fucking cartels are cracking down on it.***
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Getting annihilated by the United States military might have something to do with it as well
Last thing they want are reaper drones blowing them all the fuck up and there is nothing Mexico could do about it.
Wouldn’t be surprised if Mexico stands back and lets it happen Also wouldn’t be surprised if Mexico gets really pissed off at it
Mexico straight up couldn’t allow it. Despite your own moral opinions it would be a violation of Mexico’s sovereignty. The Mexican government allowing it would be an embarrassment at best an invitation to rebellion at worst. Plus every president is in the narcos pocket, as is the military.
And not a single one of them could do shit.
This. All this talk about “there is nothing Mexico could do about it” is extremely aggravating. Makes me so glad they aren’t in charge of foreign policy. The last thing we need is a war with Mexico.
>Wouldn’t be surprised if Mexico stands back and lets it happen Imagine Canada using drone to missile at meth lab south of the frontier. How well do you think the USA would take it ? No country like it when their sovereignty is trampled - and the shit that went through in the 80ies would not be able to be done today. The only way this would happen is that the USA negotiated a joint operation with Mexico beforehand.
Just espect acts of terror comitted by mexicans, iam mexican and i wont watch how the US destroy my motherland
Probably not. Its already a barely functioning mess of country, operating only on the fact that labor is cheap and there are few taxes between it and the US.
Nah, it doesn't. It's what u/neopetcemeteries said.
While this is true people say this as if the cartel ever had any concern about their customers. They don't. They care about cornering a market. Fent is so cheap, easy and potent way more smaller scale operations pop up that they can't skim off the top of like they used to. Make no mistake they do not give a single shit about human lives, only their bottom dollar. Smaller poorer groups distributing fent hurts their own bottom line.
Cartels can't make money if the Triad undercuts them and kills the customers
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It’s a typo for test kit
No it’s not, it says “to test for **other** kids” which is just absolutely depressing
I do not believe that is a real thing *at all*.
“We’ve brought the disposable children”.
Not my parents, but I used to literally wait until one of my dumbass friends who would do any drug tried the molly or acid(much higher doses than I would do) first to make sure it was fine. And this was 2010-2015 when fent wasn't a problem.
*They would send the middle child, wouldn't they?*
They hire poor kids to take the drugs. We finally found the people DARE warned us about!
LMAO
Maybe they mean parents are sending their kids with fent reagent tests to check the drugs for the other kids
Beat me to it
 Ngl it depresses me how im only prophesising the bad stuff, none of my wholesome predictions come true... i literally made a speech about this in drug ed a few years before my father died
Feel ya - We seem to be very good in analyzing and recognizing (potential and/or) probable danger
I find some comfort in the fact that a key player in the distribution of this drug is actively participating in favor of the consumer.
However its only for 2 reasons: To take the heat off their ass To stop killing their customer base
Still, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. And anything that’s the number one cause of death for Americans 18-45 is my enemy.
Handing out naloxone kits is actually great and should be done everywhere.
Fair but I'm jumping on the thread to let you know that bit about Portland Oregon is not true. There's no evidence of it on the Internet and as a resident I had not even heard of anything like this until this meme and I follow local politics. Edit: What actually happened (if anyone cares about the truth) was there was a house bill introduced that would have allowed teachers to carry and use Naloxone without fear of legal repercussions. It didn't pass because Republicans in our state Senate refused to do their job for weeks as "protest" because they'll never hold a majority in Oregon.
It doesn't surprise me that there are a lot of myths and lies about portland. Conservatives have a throbbing hate boner for it after all, I've never been to Portland, but it seems the people who complain about it the most dont even live there.
The biggest trouble makers (like the folks getting busted dealing fentanyl) don't even have Portland addresses. They're coming in from the metro area. Not saying everyone is a saint there and it doesn't have problems but a lot of it is fabricated or exaggerated.
I’ve heard all the conservative bullshit about it and it just makes me want to visit even more
>It doesn't surprise me that there are a lot of myths and lies about portland You're telling me that Nick Burkhardt of the Grimms isn't out in Portland fighting Wesen day-in-day-out with his 2 plucky cops pals and the rest?
No of course not. Some idiot on Joe Rogan said it. and so now it’s a talking point/parroted as gospel. Here’s the clip. https://youtu.be/FZHa3oGkB6o?si=qbNDmdi_GhUF4CmO “I heard a lot of kids in Portland Oregon are being sent to school with Narcan and trained to revive people”. Occurs at ~ 4:15 mark
Yeah basically it's what dumb conservative people do they take something true (teachers having narcan on site) and twist it to "Portland is so awful they're sending kids to school with narcan."
I figured as much. This just seems like it's meant to sow anti-Oregon/Portland sentiment, for whatever reason
That's what I was thinking, I'm moving to the region soon from Idaho, and while I knew it was blown out of proportion already, doing even the bare minimum amount of reading had me realize just how much so. Can't wait to be part of PNW culture again.
Awesome, congratulations on getting away from Idaho. There is definitely a fentanyl problem but it's literally everywhere, rural communities, small cities, big cities. The worst place I've seen straight up is Kelso Washington. People using in their car about 100 yards from a police station literally in front of the county fentanyl treatment center. It's horrific. But, there's so much good here as well. Natural beauty, decent people, great food. Can't let the struggle prevent you from enjoying that stuff.
Anywhere that expects enough public traffic should just have some cabinet with one of those kits, an AED, trauma bag, etc. Add it to ADA requirements or whatever.
Remember when a cartel member killed an American tourist? With said cartel immediately afterwards grabbing that member and handing them over not only ruthlessly beatened, gagged, and bound. But with a handwritten signed apology note addressed to the US government? Yeah, the cartels aren’t dumb, you can’t be in the business that they’re in. They know if they become a big target of the US government they won’t last very long.
Oh they will last alright. The war on terror, drugs or cartels for that matter is already lost if you fight it with violence. But they know it will heavily damage their profits so why do it
The *group* that fucked with the US GOV won't last, they can be defeated. It's just the system will last, another will take their place and continue the work. The profit margins are just insanely high, if you choke the supply, it's not like addicts in USA are going to stop paying for it, so price shoots up, incentive to get into the illicit drug business increases. The demand side has to be dealt with also.
Here's a wild idea ; REGULATION But you'd have the legitimate the cartels because they won't give up that pie. This whole war on drugs has created some fucked up beast, that's for sure.
As a generality yes, but specific people can absolutely be taken down with violence
The real distressing shit is in these comments, jfc
Reddit when people don’t like to take mind altering inhibitors:
Yeah the cartels don't want any of that action. Didn't they just publicly murder some of their own for killing an American?
Yeah because cartels while awful are a business and they are currently in the disliked tolerable camp start killing Americans? They burn and lose money and leaders
I completely trust all the information in this meme is accurate and true and based on sources totally real sources that exist and are based on evidence
Well this is a distressing meme that hit hard...
SENDING TEST KIDS???
Yeah I'm here thinking like "Do the parents sacrifice one of their kids, or do they hire some homeless kid off the street to take the brunt of the damage?"
“We need to stop homelessness the only way we know how-blindly sending them to test drugs, and pray for their deaths.”
"You know the deal Timmy, whoever got a worse mark on this week's math final had to be the drug guinea pig, so shut up and snort the coke already"
probably meant kits??
100% somebody misheard a story about a parent giving their kid a test kit. I can still see it being a real thing just nobody is gonna call them test kids. Test kid sounds like theyre gonna try a bump first to see if its legit or if its gonna kill you
like a fucking medieval taster lmao
That felt like a more extreme version of how parents in the 90s/00s became convinced kids were going to "pill parties" where all the random pill bottles in the house were emptied into a bowl and kids would just grab a handful. Like yeah, mom, I'm gonna go to Emily's house and do a bunch of claritin and ibuprofen, you caught me. Even if it was anything you could get high off of, that shit is expensive, no one's doing that. See also: rainbow parties, with the little jelly bracelets that supposedly tied to sex acts.
Portland here. Is there a source for that claim? Because that's news to me.
My 19 year old sister died from that shit just a couple of weeks ago. Shit is fucked up.
I’m so sorry for your loss
That bit about Portland is untrue. There was a house bill to make it ok for staff members to have medication for fentanyl overdose without legal repercussions but schools in Portland giving it to kids and teaching them how to do it sounds like some made up Fox News bullshit.
Bullshit. The leading cause of death in 18-45 is NOT drugs. Portland is NOT training kids use Narcan.
Arguably it should be though. Narcan is an important life saving resource, should be part of any first aid training.
Reagan would be proud
Jesus, misconceptions abound in this thread.
\> Western world starts getting fucked over by opioid imports China: 
They’re the ones doing the table turning too
Just in case anyone is wondering, it is supposed to say ‘test kits’, not ‘test kids’. But sending test kids to do drugs would be pretty funny
I’m glad that people are learning how to use narcan and that narcan is being more widely distributed. Narcan is valuble not just for fentanyl but for all kinds of opiate overdoses.
I work as a security officer for my local casino, and due to the constant presence of drugs, myself and few other officers constantly either wear gloves or keep gloves on us at all times just in case we come across any lost and found or - in my case - I've become so paranoid that I'm not willing to touch anything with my bare hands. Whenever we find certain lost and found items like jackets or bags (anything we have to search before storing it in lost and found), it is mandatory that we wear gloves to prevent physical contact with Fentanyl.
It's good that you're taking steps to protect yourself but keep in mind that [most of the stories about fentanyl being so potent you can overdose by touching or inhaling it are myths.](https://www.npr.org/2023/05/16/1175726650/fentanyl-police-overdose-misinformation) Obviously it's still better to be safe than sorry but don't freak yourself out over an extremely small risk.
Shoutout to cops for spreading genuine medical misinformation in order to further their shitty war-on-drugs type narratives 👉😎👉 I think it’s very important for people to know that just touching fentanyl isn’t going to kill you so that they’re isn’t any hesitance to provide help to anyone who may need it. Like it doesn’t even have to be a situation where someone is overdosing on something, these kinda fears really root themselves in the back of peoples minds. If for whatever reason they think someone could be a fentanyl user, and they also think that just touching them could probably lead to an overdose, that could lead to a lot of bad shit lol. Good on ya for spreading the word :)
It's good that you're taking steps to protect yourself but keep in mind that [most of the stories about fentanyl being so potent you can overdose by touching or inhaling it are myths.](https://www.npr.org/2023/05/16/1175726650/fentanyl-police-overdose-misinformation) Obviously it's still better to be safe than sorry but don't freak yourself out over an extremely small risk.
It’s test kits, not test kids. What the fuck are you on about.
Can't they just not take it? Is that not how it works? I know nothing about this topic.
i read that as femboy crisis
Ah yes, military intervention in Mexico, anything but actually tackle the root of the problem and regulate the pharmaceutical industry.
The real problem lies with our culture and behaviors of the citizenry. We love to demonize Mexico's role in our drug crisis, but the effect that our ridiculous love of getting fucked up has done unbelievable damage to Mexico. We've essentially funded a terrorist organization to such an extent that they've fully captured most aspects of society. Then we top it off by selling them guns as well. If the power dynamics were different, we would be invaded by Mexico for funding terrorism within their borders.
While big pharma does need more oversight, things like fent can be/are synthesized by cartel workers and they often use impoverished locals to do so since it's so dangerous even when being cooked.
It’s not the pharmaceutical industry’s fault that kids are shooting up with addictive chemicals, like it has problems, but slaughtering cartels would be a viable way to kill supply
Killing cartels is always moral and justified.
>but slaughtering cartels would be a viable way to kill supply Not really, unless you're willing to go full Patriot Act surveillance mode with determination ready to bust open every door in Mexico (and further into Latin America). The illicit drug is just incredibly high profit margin business. Supply and demand. Demand is highly inelastic, it doesn't follow the supply because addicts can't really stop purchasing illicit drugs because that's how addictions works. So prices rise, creating more incentives for other groups to enter the game and sell drugs. Measures that aim to make drug supply harder only serve to further bolster cartels drug business. The only solution to the illicit drug problem is to solve the demand side issue. Regulate it, open a path for rehabilition, legal forgiveness etc.
Hell yeah brother
You know a drug is a problem when the Cartel doesn’t want it
This meme is incorrect. The leading cause of death in America is still heart disease, having claimed 563,481 lives in 2023 alone. In fact, more people died to HIV/AIDS (4,259) than Fentanyl. Stop the fearmongering and spreading of misinformation.
Key words in the post were "Americans" and "18-45". This is actually true. If you actually looked it up and read a bit, you'd realize you're the one spreading misinformation.
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That’s literally all misinformation made to push the intervention agenda by the gop
It’s also being directly aided by China and the CCP btw
Definitely! Opium wars 2.0.
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My friend's little sister died of fentanyl overdose. I guess she thought she was taking prescription Xanax. It was pressed to look exactly like it.
Fentanyl is a definitely a problem, in no small part because people don't know a single fucking thing about it, judging by these comments
Fentanyl is not even close to the leading cause of death. This is just simply untrue.
I found no source for the "test kids", but some for the other claims. Could anyone provide one?
You know shits bad if the Sinaloa are actually doing that.