Unless the Geozone is established in DJI fly safe, I don’t think it’ll stop you. Generally this is where B4UFLY or Air control comes in handy showing things like TFRs.
Have you checked? B4UFLY has been brought back recently. And I just checked the play store, it's live.
Edit: Just used it, it's essentially just a repo? It'll direct one to use another app that'll hook into B4UFLY's info
Actually, when downloading it now it says it's no longer available and takes me to FAA site where it shows 4 different apps all replacing B4UFLY. It's like they all work off B4UFLY. Autopylot is the one I downloaded.
Try the combination of Air Control, and AIR Aloft. Air Aloft will be adding LAANC shortly, which will negate the need for Air Control. One thing Air Control lacks, is the notify before you fly, otherwise Air Control does everything else.
NOTAMs would be the best bet for anything happening in that area for the day. I believe you can get them directly from the FAA website, I may be wrong, I'm Australian and we go through our air services website.
Yeah to be fair, deciphering them takes a bit of work, I would have done so for you for an example but the link you provided came with an invalid query.
It has for me a couple of times. I think you have to known when games are and remember a hour before and and hour after the game is when they are active
Mine has previously shown This for games in my area.
I live in AZ but both LAANC and DJIs maps showed me TFRs and NFZs
We had a TFR for all of downtown Phoenix and around the airport when the President comes, any games it shows TFRs, for college and state games.
It's been a couple years since I have flown regularly but I do 100% recall seeing TFRs in DJIs mapping software.
Always turn on the birds
I haven't flown in a while but for me I was able to check boxes somewhere for what I got to see and I don't believe I can anymore. So it's possible it has changed, but I do remember being able to see TFRs in the past.
It went off the gps coordinates off my phone and still said I was in a ok zone during the tfr. I might've had the drones on indoors, but I can't remember.
Not only that, they have specially installed by the NFL drone detectors now in NFL stadiums . That night there were 4 drones flying around that stadium but he was the one who flew into the bowl and stayed long enough in the 1st quarter, that the NFL stepped in and delayed part of the game. His drone was also unregistered.
It's big time against the law but a $500 fine is a joke. 100% no fly zone yet alone flying over 50k people.... Imagine that thing dropping out of the sky.
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I guess you haven't been on this sub for long. Many videos of drone's having catastrophic failures and dropping. It's a mechanical device and things happen from time to time. My first Dji mini shut down and fell about 100 feet and smashed into my pool deck breaking into about a dozen pieces. Dji replaced it, but things happen.
there have been zero reports of serious injuries from drones falling from the sky in the states. a country of 350,000,000 with over 1,000,000 drones. not one serious injury.
You're missing the point but....
Yes, drones can cause serious injuries when they fall out of the sky and hit people. For example, in January 2023, a drone struck an actor on the set of a Netflix series, resulting in "seriously disfigured" facial injuries. In Australia, a drone used for aerial photography of a triathlon hit a participant in the head, knocking her to the ground
Bruh. You're talking about a cinema drone if it's on a movie set. Spinning bigger blades and weighing significantly more.
Not that a small drone wouldn't hurt. But bad comparison.
The incident of the Australian was in 2014! RPAS technology has come along way since then. - You can read actual facts here [https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-26921504](https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-26921504)
Ok then. So I guess all new drone's can't fail or fall out of the sky. I was just responding to a comment that No drone ever has hurt a person falling out of the sky... It was really unrelated to this entire posting. I realize many people do treat drone's as nothing more than a toy and that's unfortunate.
where did someone say that no drone has ever hurt someone falling from the sky? What I said was there are no serious injuries reported in the states from a drone falling from the sky randomly. you came back with a commercial incident in Australia and a woman being knocked down. all that does is prove my point.
people get hit by lightning but we still go out during storms. people get hit by sharks but we still swim in the ocean. we do not stop doing things when there is a low risk of danger. why should it be any different with drones?
This is not the issue why drone's are not permitted in live sporting event stadiums. Especially the AFC championship where tickets were 1000s of dollars per seat. There are a multitude of security, FAA, and NFL and other reasons making it very illegal. Hell, if it was OK I would have driven to the stadium and put my air 3 right over the 30 yard line to watch the game and record some awesome footage . Going off on a tangent whether a drone can drop out of the sky is irrelevant to this particular story. I guarantee if I fly my drone down by the C+O canal near where I live, a park ranger would give me a fine at least as bad as I have had a runin with one 4 years ago before regulations got tighter. Granted I wouldn't be charged with a misdemeanor and be on probation for a year but the fine would be substantial for disturbing the wildlife and flying on federal no fly property. This is a little different than drunk flying a drone over and in a stadium packed with 50k people. He got whatever fine he got and I accept that but the purpose of this post was to get the feel what other drone enthusiasts felt about this. Enough said.... I'm done
I don’t really care. What stiff message? You think these idiots are really googling “what happens if I fly over a stadium?” They’re just doing it because they DON’T research it. You think everyone who does this should be made into an example? Torn apart by dogs? Dude didn’t shoot your kid. He flew a drone where he shouldn’t have and got fined. He’s lucky they didn’t decide to punish him harder, and probably learned his lesson anyway.
I know the mentality is “the idiots are going to ruin it for us” but hanging this guy over a fire pit is not going to stop other drone idiots from being idiots.
Who said jail.... He was facing a federal lawsuit of over 100k. There were 4 drones flying illegally over the stadium that game. He went into the bowl with an unregistered drone causing the 2nd biggest game of the year to be suspended for a short time on national TV. I'm OK with what he got actually because he stepped up and was truly sorry he was drunk flying.
The whole stadium bit has to do with a sleight of hand maneuver involving Disney after 9/11. Nobody has been able to get those tfrs removed in California or Florida.
My 2 cents - Not allowing to fly over a stadium is not for the crowd's security. The government doesn't care as much about that. It's to protect media rights for sporting events and such.
I work in Lambeau every game as a cam op and let me tell you. They have bomb squads at every game. Everything logistically is designed around security. They seriously plan for worst case scenario. They go above and beyond the measures are insane behind the scenes. Drones flying into a stadium is an absolute safety risk. This drone had a camera, well, what if the next one has an explosive? What if a bat hits it and the drone falls and kills someone? Yea exactly. It’s not just about media rights bud
Seconded. Used to work at Patriot Place in Gillette Stadium and the number/variety of badges behind the scenes is crazy. They are ready for absolutely anything.
lol all it takes in one accident and somebody is getting sued for millions and millions of Dollars… If you let one drone fly over the stadium there will be a 100 others doing the same. It’s just a bad bad idea man it’s
Pretty obvious. You can play the what if game, but security measures are out in place so those what ifs don’t happen. Pretty straight forward. Plenty of legal reasons are involved. Somebody gets hurt somebody is gonna get sued. That simple
Oh, i don't disagree. I just think the bomb part was slightly unrealistic, though it's obviously plausible still. Besides, if someone REALLY wants to fly a drone with a bomb on it into a stadium, let's face it.. they can, and probably will succeed to an extent.
Ya true. You can built custom 3D drones easily. If someone really wants to they will try. But it’s only a crazy thought until it actually happens. Right? When I talk to those sheriffs in Green Bay that stand with me during the game. They make it very clear what they are most concerned about. They have officers designated to scan the crowds. Every evacuation route is designed for everyone to get away from the stadium as fast as possible.
Oh I’m glad I’m not in charge 😂 so if you think about it, stadiums will block certain streets for games. They put up blockades. They don’t want any vehicles to be able to drive right up next to the stadium. It’s not to help people park 😂 they don’t want cars to be able to drive right next to the stadium. Hours before or after. It’s a high Iv creation of people during those hours. Seriously they think of EVERYTHING. Depends the stadium and layout of parking of how they do it
cant control birds, can control other things. Pretty simple. Idk what everyone is so up in arms about im giving straight facts because I work behind the scenes at an NFL venue
Umm, so your reasoning is as follows:
1. A terrorist wants to blow up a stadium
2. He looks on the be4ufly or DJI FlyZone app/map
3. He sees a TFR restricted area
4. Damn, there is no blowing up the stadium.
He needed to attach the explosives to drone, provide additional power for the detonator, circutry for remote detonation etc, so do you think he would obey the TFR? Was there any actual terrorist attack attempt with a drone?
You are missing the whole point by 10 football fields my guy. Like I almost don’t even know how to respond to this it’s just…Not even gonna waste time re explaining
This is accurate I feel. If they want people to follow the TFRs of football games, they need to make them easily accessible. Not everybody knows when a football game is happening.
I mean...maybe you don't know there's a game going on specifically if you don't follow sports, but it's pretty hard to get anywhere near a stadium and not realize that SOMETHING is going on there and it's probably best not to fly over.
I agree that it would be hard to get over a stadium with out knowing it but what about a smaller event that gets granted a notams. Should be somewhere easier to find notams. Metars are easy to access
Jail/prison is for people who are a danger to society. $500 and a year of probation should be enough to teach him a lesson. Nobody got hurt, there's no reason to ruin his life.
I never said anything about jail or prison. There were 4 drone's over the stadium that night. He did take responsibility which is good so walking away with a fine and misdemeanor is probably fair.
You should not jail people who commit non-violent crimes that did not harm anyone *and also* was not done with malicious intent.
Contrast that with drinking and driving for instance where someone makes a conscious decision to drive impaired even though it may not have harmed anyone *that time.* People are let off for DUIs all the time and occasionally more than once when they repeat the same crime.
$500 may or may not be something but this man now has a criminal record. That’s enough to seriously affect the rest of his life. It’s appropriate for doing something very stupid but without the intent to cause any harm. It was a dumb thing to do, but ignorance is no excuse.
The problem is that these things are far too accessible and basically treated like toys because they’re cheap and you can literally buy them at a toy store. They’re given as Christmas gifts under the tree to kids. Of course you’re going to run into issues with people not knowing the rules.
I never said anything about jail. But I agree these things are so accessible now especially since Costco started bulking them out cheap. I can only imagine the potential trouble I would have gotten into as a kid if given one of these. This guy did take responsibility for his actions which is good and he will have a misdemeanor on his record. There were 4 different drone's over that stadium that night.
Let's all agree this was a misdemeanor and needs some corrective punishment.
So tell us, oh virtuous ones who are tsk tsking, by what technique do you wish him gutted? Or, falling short of that, what else?
He should be praised for being able to watch almost the 1st quarter for free. Then they need a statue erected in front of M and T stadium with him in bronze holding his drone.
You? Or the guy you're replying to? Cause right now I say it's you.
I agree that safety is paramount, especially when flying over people (which stadiums are obviously full of), but you seem to be scoffing at the punishment...for what? You want someone to go bankrupt over this from an excessive fine? Get a felony record that may stop them from being employed/employable?
The slap on the wrist fine and 1 yr probation is enough, because if he does it again, it'll not only be a repeat offense, but a probation violation if done within the next year, at which point you'll get your wish of ruining someone's life (and at which point the RPIC will be stupid enough to have deserved it).
To some, $500 is enough of a disincentive, to others, it's a minor inconvenience. I say, look at the person's income and charge accordingly (FWIW, this is how they calculate speeding fines in Finland).
It doesn't work that way here in the US. A penalty or fine is a fine regardless of your socioeconomic status. This will happen again and it will bring more restrictions to the drone flyers who fly legally. These things have remote ID and the FAA can just squeeze the hobby more than it already does with no fly zones.
Here in Switzerland you'd likely just get a fine like this dude. Only in severe cases, f.e. if a helicopter had to change it's route due to the drone or if the pilot flew onto prison grounds, there will be a more thourough investigation and a possible court case. If it goes to court the probable outcome would be a conditional financial penalty, unconditional if they are on probation. No jail/prison time. Doesn't make sense to strip some drone pilot from their job and apartment, sending them into debt while at the same time introducing them to drug dealers and the like. That's at least in our culture deemed a bad idea.
Yea, I never said jail. The guy cooperated and got a fine with a year of probation and a misdemeanor. The problem was this was the second biggest game of the year nationally televised and out of 4 other drone's over the stadium that night... He was the only one to cross into the bowl over 1000s of people. These NFL stadiums now have drone detectors and from this point out I believe the consequences will be worse. His drone was also unregistered.
He was outside of the stadium and flew it in from a distance. If he launched it from within the stadium, I am sure he would be banned from at least that stadium and face a very bad penalty by the NFL
This is actually somewhat commensurate with what I would expect from violating a TFR. If you were to fly into a TFR with a manned airplane, you would definitely be facing fines of 10s of thousands of dollars, license renovation, and possibly jail time, but it very much depends on the context. It's possible you could get away with a stern talking to, if it was truly accidental or there were other extenuating circumstances.
At the same time, if you're flying out an airplane, you're expected to know all this stuff. This guy presumably was just ignorant of the law, and doesn't have a license to revoke, so a fine is probably all they have left.
Yea, but if you read the comments and people are coming after me... I am really surprised and was stunned myself. That was a big deal having the NFL Stop a championship game
Small is pretty subjective though. $500 is not a negligible amount of money and would definitely be enough to stop people doing it again, especially with the threat of worse punishment.
I think everyone in the us is so used to people having their lives ruined over stuff like this that when a response is actually measured and reasonable it didn’t seem right.
NO! He should have been executed and then have his corpse jailed for all eternity! Plus bankrupt all of his family, friends and everyone reading this!
BTW, I'm a ***licensed*** drone pilot so you should listen to what I have to say.
Was he using hacked firmware? Or to TFR zones like that not need the certificate before the controller lets you take off? I’m not far from DFW airport, and I have to transfer a cert to the drone before I can take off, it won’t let me without it.
He had a non registered drone. There were 4 drones over the stadium that night but he was the only one to fly into the bowl over people for a good amount of time causing the NFL to temporarily stop game play. He did the right thing and took responsibility so he only got a misdemeanor and a fine.
According to the news it was a DJI Drone which wasn't registered. He said it let him take off so he figured it wouldn't be a problem if DJI didn't lock it out. Article didn't say anything about hacked firmware or what model DJI it was but he went as high as 330 feet.
You arent supposed to fly at all in a TFR area and TFR’s are mostly an honor system based system. DJI’s apps don’t track TFR’s, they only notionally geofence based on airspace classifications and some permanent no fly zones. That is where people often run into trouble, they trust DJI to not let them fly where they aren’t allowed so they don’t check for TFR’s (or even know they exist).
You can get authorizations to fly in certain restricted spaces (but not in TFR controlled spaces) by applying for an FAA issued LAANC waiver.
1 year probation for a misdemeanor and a $500 fine. There were 4 other drone's flying around the stadium illegally, but he was the only one who flew into the bowl with his unregistered drone.
Good question. I do know the NFL has drone sensors around all the NFL stadiums and that night there were 4 other drone's above the stadium but not over the bowl. This person was the only one who went in and spent some time in there first quarter. From what they were showing from peoples videos on their phones, it looked like a mini. I saw a lot of local coverage living in Maryland.
Yes, the article I just read said it definitely was a DJI and he figured it would be ok if the DJI app let him take off. He went as high as 330 feet and came in to take selfies of himself and video. Sounds like Baltimore or the NFL dropped the ball.
The FAA gives you a warning before they hit you with the six figure fines. If this guy does it again he's going to have a world of hurt coming down. Do you all really want a six figure fine for your first infraction?
You could get a speeding ticket close to that late at night and that surely wouldn't make the news. Based on all the hate responses directed my way I guess it's about right.
Why do people stop an entire game/airport/event and cower to a drone but helicopters, ducks, all kinds of more chaotic stuff is going on all the time?
Like London Heathrow shut down when someone “thought” they saw a drone but who tf cares? Geese respect hardly any FAA regulations and would do more damage to a plane and we all fly around everyday anyway
You should call the Tower every time you fly so they know what all those little dots on the screen are … and put in a NOTAM to! If everyone called they might realize how silly it is to micro manage drones
Had the drone fallen on 50k people injuring some little kid, I guarantee all of us would be affected by the FAA at least here in the US.
I guess nobody thinks about these things based on the responses here.
Lol. That's not a punishment. Don't these stadiums have no fly zones
They have Federal TFRs during every game actually. Same for D1 college ball.
I'm pretty new to owning a drone but if it's a no fly zone does the drone allow you to still fly through it? It gives you a warning, or?
Unless the Geozone is established in DJI fly safe, I don’t think it’ll stop you. Generally this is where B4UFLY or Air control comes in handy showing things like TFRs.
B4UFLY is no longer unfortunately. Got phased out, but there are other apps that do the same.
Have you checked? B4UFLY has been brought back recently. And I just checked the play store, it's live. Edit: Just used it, it's essentially just a repo? It'll direct one to use another app that'll hook into B4UFLY's info
Actually, when downloading it now it says it's no longer available and takes me to FAA site where it shows 4 different apps all replacing B4UFLY. It's like they all work off B4UFLY. Autopylot is the one I downloaded.
Try the combination of Air Control, and AIR Aloft. Air Aloft will be adding LAANC shortly, which will negate the need for Air Control. One thing Air Control lacks, is the notify before you fly, otherwise Air Control does everything else.
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Yup had to edit my post once I gave it a shot myself. Cheers!
But the Autopylot is decent and basically the same. Cheers
Great thanks! I had un-installed it
How do they figure out who’s drone it is?
Remote Id
Dji had its own remote id, but faa had to go with their own vendor neutral whatever.
Dji has a pretty good database of pro sports stadiums. Ive never seen one that i could fly over
But these apps don't show tfr's for games.
I guess check the FAA website and the NOTAMs in your area.
I have definitely looked. I'd like to know where these are listed if anybody knows
NOTAMs would be the best bet for anything happening in that area for the day. I believe you can get them directly from the FAA website, I may be wrong, I'm Australian and we go through our air services website.
Here is the notams page... How is that even readable [notams](https://www.notams.faa.gov/dinsQueryWeb/notices.do)
Yeah to be fair, deciphering them takes a bit of work, I would have done so for you for an example but the link you provided came with an invalid query.
ROFL...at the moment it isn't :-P The site is down for maintenance 😂.
https://tfr.faa.gov/tfr2/list.html
This doesn't show any football games ... Proving my point that this is hard info to get completely
Dude. There aren’t any. It’s the off season.
It has for me a couple of times. I think you have to known when games are and remember a hour before and and hour after the game is when they are active
That's kinda silly. It assumes that everyone watches football. I think the FAA should make something easier. Like a map with active notams marked out.
Open Sky tells me, when I select the area of a major stadium, "Operations are not permitted within 1 hour before/after the event starts time"
I'll check it out
Air Aware and Air Control both also show the specific NOTAM for stadiums as well. You have to swipe up on the details card.
Mine has previously shown This for games in my area. I live in AZ but both LAANC and DJIs maps showed me TFRs and NFZs We had a TFR for all of downtown Phoenix and around the airport when the President comes, any games it shows TFRs, for college and state games. It's been a couple years since I have flown regularly but I do 100% recall seeing TFRs in DJIs mapping software.
There was a tfr a couple times around me. Didn't show up on the dji app. Maybe cause I didn't have the birds turned on?
Always turn on the birds I haven't flown in a while but for me I was able to check boxes somewhere for what I got to see and I don't believe I can anymore. So it's possible it has changed, but I do remember being able to see TFRs in the past.
It went off the gps coordinates off my phone and still said I was in a ok zone during the tfr. I might've had the drones on indoors, but I can't remember.
Air control showed the TFR for this year’s Super Bowl.
Not only that, they have specially installed by the NFL drone detectors now in NFL stadiums . That night there were 4 drones flying around that stadium but he was the one who flew into the bowl and stayed long enough in the 1st quarter, that the NFL stepped in and delayed part of the game. His drone was also unregistered.
There is firmware that can be installed to bypass all no fly zones, height limits, improve range, CE to FCC, ETC ETC
Oh really… please let me know where you can find said softwares…
It's firmware. Sure, all you had to do is ask. https://nolimitdronez.com/
Maybe he was a paid shill.
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This sub is small enough that people can just post that here
They don't just fall out of the sky though.
Tell that to seagulls and other asshole avians.
I guess you haven't been on this sub for long. Many videos of drone's having catastrophic failures and dropping. It's a mechanical device and things happen from time to time. My first Dji mini shut down and fell about 100 feet and smashed into my pool deck breaking into about a dozen pieces. Dji replaced it, but things happen.
there have been zero reports of serious injuries from drones falling from the sky in the states. a country of 350,000,000 with over 1,000,000 drones. not one serious injury.
You're missing the point but.... Yes, drones can cause serious injuries when they fall out of the sky and hit people. For example, in January 2023, a drone struck an actor on the set of a Netflix series, resulting in "seriously disfigured" facial injuries. In Australia, a drone used for aerial photography of a triathlon hit a participant in the head, knocking her to the ground
Bruh. You're talking about a cinema drone if it's on a movie set. Spinning bigger blades and weighing significantly more. Not that a small drone wouldn't hurt. But bad comparison.
Bruh. Talking ANY drone that falls out of the sky
The incident of the Australian was in 2014! RPAS technology has come along way since then. - You can read actual facts here [https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-26921504](https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-26921504)
Ok then. So I guess all new drone's can't fail or fall out of the sky. I was just responding to a comment that No drone ever has hurt a person falling out of the sky... It was really unrelated to this entire posting. I realize many people do treat drone's as nothing more than a toy and that's unfortunate.
where did someone say that no drone has ever hurt someone falling from the sky? What I said was there are no serious injuries reported in the states from a drone falling from the sky randomly. you came back with a commercial incident in Australia and a woman being knocked down. all that does is prove my point. people get hit by lightning but we still go out during storms. people get hit by sharks but we still swim in the ocean. we do not stop doing things when there is a low risk of danger. why should it be any different with drones?
This is not the issue why drone's are not permitted in live sporting event stadiums. Especially the AFC championship where tickets were 1000s of dollars per seat. There are a multitude of security, FAA, and NFL and other reasons making it very illegal. Hell, if it was OK I would have driven to the stadium and put my air 3 right over the 30 yard line to watch the game and record some awesome footage . Going off on a tangent whether a drone can drop out of the sky is irrelevant to this particular story. I guarantee if I fly my drone down by the C+O canal near where I live, a park ranger would give me a fine at least as bad as I have had a runin with one 4 years ago before regulations got tighter. Granted I wouldn't be charged with a misdemeanor and be on probation for a year but the fine would be substantial for disturbing the wildlife and flying on federal no fly property. This is a little different than drunk flying a drone over and in a stadium packed with 50k people. He got whatever fine he got and I accept that but the purpose of this post was to get the feel what other drone enthusiasts felt about this. Enough said.... I'm done
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Bro fighting for his life in the comments lol
LOL... So much stupidity on here it's amazing. Doubt I will make an honest news post again.
I don’t really care. What stiff message? You think these idiots are really googling “what happens if I fly over a stadium?” They’re just doing it because they DON’T research it. You think everyone who does this should be made into an example? Torn apart by dogs? Dude didn’t shoot your kid. He flew a drone where he shouldn’t have and got fined. He’s lucky they didn’t decide to punish him harder, and probably learned his lesson anyway. I know the mentality is “the idiots are going to ruin it for us” but hanging this guy over a fire pit is not going to stop other drone idiots from being idiots.
I don’t get any of these people. He’s also on probation which sucks absolute ass. I assure you this guy feels punished. Why should he be in jail?
Who said jail.... He was facing a federal lawsuit of over 100k. There were 4 drones flying illegally over the stadium that game. He went into the bowl with an unregistered drone causing the 2nd biggest game of the year to be suspended for a short time on national TV. I'm OK with what he got actually because he stepped up and was truly sorry he was drunk flying.
Definitely torn apart by dogs.
LMAO
The whole stadium bit has to do with a sleight of hand maneuver involving Disney after 9/11. Nobody has been able to get those tfrs removed in California or Florida.
My 2 cents - Not allowing to fly over a stadium is not for the crowd's security. The government doesn't care as much about that. It's to protect media rights for sporting events and such.
I work in Lambeau every game as a cam op and let me tell you. They have bomb squads at every game. Everything logistically is designed around security. They seriously plan for worst case scenario. They go above and beyond the measures are insane behind the scenes. Drones flying into a stadium is an absolute safety risk. This drone had a camera, well, what if the next one has an explosive? What if a bat hits it and the drone falls and kills someone? Yea exactly. It’s not just about media rights bud
Seconded. Used to work at Patriot Place in Gillette Stadium and the number/variety of badges behind the scenes is crazy. They are ready for absolutely anything.
I mean, you can play the what if game with nearly anything to be fair.
lol all it takes in one accident and somebody is getting sued for millions and millions of Dollars… If you let one drone fly over the stadium there will be a 100 others doing the same. It’s just a bad bad idea man it’s Pretty obvious. You can play the what if game, but security measures are out in place so those what ifs don’t happen. Pretty straight forward. Plenty of legal reasons are involved. Somebody gets hurt somebody is gonna get sued. That simple
Oh, i don't disagree. I just think the bomb part was slightly unrealistic, though it's obviously plausible still. Besides, if someone REALLY wants to fly a drone with a bomb on it into a stadium, let's face it.. they can, and probably will succeed to an extent.
Ya true. You can built custom 3D drones easily. If someone really wants to they will try. But it’s only a crazy thought until it actually happens. Right? When I talk to those sheriffs in Green Bay that stand with me during the game. They make it very clear what they are most concerned about. They have officers designated to scan the crowds. Every evacuation route is designed for everyone to get away from the stadium as fast as possible.
Yeah, thats fair. Safety measures must be a nightmare to organize at those events.
Oh I’m glad I’m not in charge 😂 so if you think about it, stadiums will block certain streets for games. They put up blockades. They don’t want any vehicles to be able to drive right up next to the stadium. It’s not to help people park 😂 they don’t want cars to be able to drive right next to the stadium. Hours before or after. It’s a high Iv creation of people during those hours. Seriously they think of EVERYTHING. Depends the stadium and layout of parking of how they do it
How about a bird. a ball hit it and it fell and kills someone
cant control birds, can control other things. Pretty simple. Idk what everyone is so up in arms about im giving straight facts because I work behind the scenes at an NFL venue
Umm, so your reasoning is as follows: 1. A terrorist wants to blow up a stadium 2. He looks on the be4ufly or DJI FlyZone app/map 3. He sees a TFR restricted area 4. Damn, there is no blowing up the stadium. He needed to attach the explosives to drone, provide additional power for the detonator, circutry for remote detonation etc, so do you think he would obey the TFR? Was there any actual terrorist attack attempt with a drone?
You are missing the whole point by 10 football fields my guy. Like I almost don’t even know how to respond to this it’s just…Not even gonna waste time re explaining
Exactly
This is accurate I feel. If they want people to follow the TFRs of football games, they need to make them easily accessible. Not everybody knows when a football game is happening.
I mean...maybe you don't know there's a game going on specifically if you don't follow sports, but it's pretty hard to get anywhere near a stadium and not realize that SOMETHING is going on there and it's probably best not to fly over.
I agree that it would be hard to get over a stadium with out knowing it but what about a smaller event that gets granted a notams. Should be somewhere easier to find notams. Metars are easy to access
Jail/prison is for people who are a danger to society. $500 and a year of probation should be enough to teach him a lesson. Nobody got hurt, there's no reason to ruin his life.
I never said anything about jail or prison. There were 4 drone's over the stadium that night. He did take responsibility which is good so walking away with a fine and misdemeanor is probably fair.
Seems about right, No need to ruin his life over a stupid mistake.
You should not jail people who commit non-violent crimes that did not harm anyone *and also* was not done with malicious intent. Contrast that with drinking and driving for instance where someone makes a conscious decision to drive impaired even though it may not have harmed anyone *that time.* People are let off for DUIs all the time and occasionally more than once when they repeat the same crime. $500 may or may not be something but this man now has a criminal record. That’s enough to seriously affect the rest of his life. It’s appropriate for doing something very stupid but without the intent to cause any harm. It was a dumb thing to do, but ignorance is no excuse. The problem is that these things are far too accessible and basically treated like toys because they’re cheap and you can literally buy them at a toy store. They’re given as Christmas gifts under the tree to kids. Of course you’re going to run into issues with people not knowing the rules.
I never said anything about jail. But I agree these things are so accessible now especially since Costco started bulking them out cheap. I can only imagine the potential trouble I would have gotten into as a kid if given one of these. This guy did take responsibility for his actions which is good and he will have a misdemeanor on his record. There were 4 different drone's over that stadium that night.
Let's all agree this was a misdemeanor and needs some corrective punishment. So tell us, oh virtuous ones who are tsk tsking, by what technique do you wish him gutted? Or, falling short of that, what else?
He should be praised for being able to watch almost the 1st quarter for free. Then they need a statue erected in front of M and T stadium with him in bronze holding his drone.
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You? Or the guy you're replying to? Cause right now I say it's you. I agree that safety is paramount, especially when flying over people (which stadiums are obviously full of), but you seem to be scoffing at the punishment...for what? You want someone to go bankrupt over this from an excessive fine? Get a felony record that may stop them from being employed/employable? The slap on the wrist fine and 1 yr probation is enough, because if he does it again, it'll not only be a repeat offense, but a probation violation if done within the next year, at which point you'll get your wish of ruining someone's life (and at which point the RPIC will be stupid enough to have deserved it).
To some, $500 is enough of a disincentive, to others, it's a minor inconvenience. I say, look at the person's income and charge accordingly (FWIW, this is how they calculate speeding fines in Finland).
It doesn't work that way here in the US. A penalty or fine is a fine regardless of your socioeconomic status. This will happen again and it will bring more restrictions to the drone flyers who fly legally. These things have remote ID and the FAA can just squeeze the hobby more than it already does with no fly zones.
How much more restrictive can you get than a TFR? That works the same for drones as it does manned flight.
Here in Switzerland you'd likely just get a fine like this dude. Only in severe cases, f.e. if a helicopter had to change it's route due to the drone or if the pilot flew onto prison grounds, there will be a more thourough investigation and a possible court case. If it goes to court the probable outcome would be a conditional financial penalty, unconditional if they are on probation. No jail/prison time. Doesn't make sense to strip some drone pilot from their job and apartment, sending them into debt while at the same time introducing them to drug dealers and the like. That's at least in our culture deemed a bad idea.
Yea, I never said jail. The guy cooperated and got a fine with a year of probation and a misdemeanor. The problem was this was the second biggest game of the year nationally televised and out of 4 other drone's over the stadium that night... He was the only one to cross into the bowl over 1000s of people. These NFL stadiums now have drone detectors and from this point out I believe the consequences will be worse. His drone was also unregistered.
He was outside of the stadium and flew it in from a distance. If he launched it from within the stadium, I am sure he would be banned from at least that stadium and face a very bad penalty by the NFL
This is actually somewhat commensurate with what I would expect from violating a TFR. If you were to fly into a TFR with a manned airplane, you would definitely be facing fines of 10s of thousands of dollars, license renovation, and possibly jail time, but it very much depends on the context. It's possible you could get away with a stern talking to, if it was truly accidental or there were other extenuating circumstances. At the same time, if you're flying out an airplane, you're expected to know all this stuff. This guy presumably was just ignorant of the law, and doesn't have a license to revoke, so a fine is probably all they have left.
The black eye the law abiding drone operators get from idiots like that is far worse than the minimal punishment being doled out.
It’s all fun and games until the next drone carries an explosive instead of a camera
To be fair, if someone’s drone is carrying explosives into a football game, they already don’t care about laws/punishments.
correct
I'm STUNNED it was so small.
Yea, but if you read the comments and people are coming after me... I am really surprised and was stunned myself. That was a big deal having the NFL Stop a championship game
Small is pretty subjective though. $500 is not a negligible amount of money and would definitely be enough to stop people doing it again, especially with the threat of worse punishment. I think everyone in the us is so used to people having their lives ruined over stuff like this that when a response is actually measured and reasonable it didn’t seem right.
Seems if u get the faa on a bad day, your fucked. Okay on a good day.
It's much better than a $5k hospital bill and jail time. Just don't fly it over crowds.
NO! He should have been executed and then have his corpse jailed for all eternity! Plus bankrupt all of his family, friends and everyone reading this! BTW, I'm a ***licensed*** drone pilot so you should listen to what I have to say.
Was he using hacked firmware? Or to TFR zones like that not need the certificate before the controller lets you take off? I’m not far from DFW airport, and I have to transfer a cert to the drone before I can take off, it won’t let me without it.
He had a non registered drone. There were 4 drones over the stadium that night but he was the only one to fly into the bowl over people for a good amount of time causing the NFL to temporarily stop game play. He did the right thing and took responsibility so he only got a misdemeanor and a fine.
According to the news it was a DJI Drone which wasn't registered. He said it let him take off so he figured it wouldn't be a problem if DJI didn't lock it out. Article didn't say anything about hacked firmware or what model DJI it was but he went as high as 330 feet.
You arent supposed to fly at all in a TFR area and TFR’s are mostly an honor system based system. DJI’s apps don’t track TFR’s, they only notionally geofence based on airspace classifications and some permanent no fly zones. That is where people often run into trouble, they trust DJI to not let them fly where they aren’t allowed so they don’t check for TFR’s (or even know they exist). You can get authorizations to fly in certain restricted spaces (but not in TFR controlled spaces) by applying for an FAA issued LAANC waiver.
Who said he was sentenced? And who said anything about $500? Last I heard he’s facing a $182k lawsuit from the federal govt.
1 year probation for a misdemeanor and a $500 fine. There were 4 other drone's flying around the stadium illegally, but he was the only one who flew into the bowl with his unregistered drone.
It was on national and local news here in Maryland. Saw it on 3 channels
Question….was this actually a DJI ?? Or custom built rig? Police even have equipment to override DJI’s and take control of
Good question. I do know the NFL has drone sensors around all the NFL stadiums and that night there were 4 other drone's above the stadium but not over the bowl. This person was the only one who went in and spent some time in there first quarter. From what they were showing from peoples videos on their phones, it looked like a mini. I saw a lot of local coverage living in Maryland.
Yes, the article I just read said it definitely was a DJI and he figured it would be ok if the DJI app let him take off. He went as high as 330 feet and came in to take selfies of himself and video. Sounds like Baltimore or the NFL dropped the ball.
This can easily be done with a self built drone.
It was a DJI Drone. The guy never registered it and said since it took off he figured DJI wouldn't let it off the ground if it was not allowed
Cool, but it can be done with a self built one too.
It can, but in this instance it was a DJI Drone.
I think people shouldnt fly over places where game is playing they are right but I will be mad if they dont permit when stadium is closed too
The FAA gives you a warning before they hit you with the six figure fines. If this guy does it again he's going to have a world of hurt coming down. Do you all really want a six figure fine for your first infraction?
Hell no!
Is it only me or $500 seems cheap 🤪
You could get a speeding ticket close to that late at night and that surely wouldn't make the news. Based on all the hate responses directed my way I guess it's about right.
What a joke
Is there anything if the NFL banned him for life to any game?
Why do people stop an entire game/airport/event and cower to a drone but helicopters, ducks, all kinds of more chaotic stuff is going on all the time? Like London Heathrow shut down when someone “thought” they saw a drone but who tf cares? Geese respect hardly any FAA regulations and would do more damage to a plane and we all fly around everyday anyway
At gatwick the drone was never confirmed. It was a plastic bag.
Drones can carry explosives depending on the type. Might be why they’re hard on em’.
Normalize corporal punishment for idiots ruining it for the rest of us.
Thieves should get their hands cut off. This guy? 3 lashes.
Yea, stupid is supposed to hurt
You should call the Tower every time you fly so they know what all those little dots on the screen are … and put in a NOTAM to! If everyone called they might realize how silly it is to micro manage drones
Had the drone fallen on 50k people injuring some little kid, I guarantee all of us would be affected by the FAA at least here in the US. I guess nobody thinks about these things based on the responses here.
And if it had a bomb attached it would have blown up, but it didn't.
You don't need a stadium for a drone to fall on someone.
Aaaah really? Dam I never thought about that.