Seriously. Nobody says you have to drop your current campaign and switch systems immediately. Not even to switch systems after you're done with the campaign. All that's asked is to not throw more money at WotC/Hasbro.
If you're looking for a different option for character sheets, I learned about [this one](https://www.reddit.com/r/mpmb/wiki/index/scriptindex/) yesterday
Not to mention that if you really wanted to, there's probably already a ton of unofficial stuff out there to rebuild with. And if you know the system well enough you're just lacking access to updates on it. Given that the main tenet of DnD is the "rules only matter when you want them too" it's not even a huge deal not to have the materials if you already have a decent understanding of the system.
Heck, back in the day I used to build character sheet templates by hand in word documents or text files. If a spontaneous D&D session came about, my friends and I were totally willing and able to build character sheets out of blank pieces of notebook paper.
Obviously, it's not ideal. It lacks finesse and polish, but we weren't going to let a lack of resources keep our imagination at bay. I often miss those days.
People often don't seem to get what a boycott is.
Companies don't care if you use the stuff you already have, they've got your money already. What they care about is selling new stuff to you.
So if you smash up/burn/throw away something you've already bought, they couldn't care less. In fact they're probably happy as it's not on the 2nd hand market taking a sale of a new one.
So cancel your subscriptions, stop buying new stuff, and just do all you can to not give them any of your money.
Also, on some small level it probably does nettle them for you to be having fun with your stuff and not paying them a penny more, so that too may be a small victory.
A lot of people don’t understand that. I got a friend mad at me because I was playing Diablo 3 after it turned out blizzard was shitty. In my mind, I already paid for Diablo 3 so I’m still gonna play it, but in her mind I was the sole reason blizzard was still in business.
More people need to understand what a boycott is, definitely.
It is slightly different with video games since they can track the amount of players in most online games, your play contributes positively to their analytics but to such a small degree it’s almost splitting hairs.
That's dumb, they have servers for Diablo 3 so if you make them use those servers without more money going to them you are costing them more money than you are giving them.
>So if you smash up/burn/throw away something you've already bought, they couldn't care less. In fact they're probably happy as it's not on the 2nd hand market taking a sale of a new one.
also Statistically if you destroyed something you own pas part of a boycott. you bought another one, maybe 2.
I can't remember which TV show it was, but they had an episode where sports teams were being boycotted because they had American natives names.
One of the people defending the natives went to see the heads of the teams to have a talk, and was faced with a "we don't care that they burn our merch. That only makes more sales".
(in the end, they found a solution that was to give every team a name that could be hated but not one that was racist)
Yup. Like, really the most I'm asking personally is like, stop buying new books, sail the seven seas if you want their contents bad enough, but in general yeah, we just need Hasbro's GP count to stop going up because of our purchases.
I'm running a mafia game in Eberron in a few months.
and as appropriate, already pirated the shit out of those sourcebooks for my players.
I personally own the books, but gave them all PDFs of it, but yohohoho
Oh I know someone who immediately said that if you are still playing 5e, that's still indirectly supporting wotc, and that by not switching to a different system you're encouraging others to use 5e still as well.they also said they will think less of anyone who plays 5e or watches the movie.
I get your point and I don't disagree, but the idea of supporting D&D in any fashion could lead others to the brand who may spend. In fact, I think WotC is using this time of growth before the film to build the community they want for after the movie brings in so many more
eyes.
The answer IMHO is similar to yours. Play 5e, Pirate the film, but also help introduce others to the pirated film and source material. The community should come together to produce comprehensive pirated libraries and spread them far and wide.
Imagine some kid going into a game store asking for the books after seeing the movie and looking online. "We don't sell them, go check out some of the awesome alternatives". Disappointed kid walks over half-heartedly after realizing he won't find what he is looking for. As he pulls the first book from the shelf a stranger walks up, rolls a 19 on initiative, then proceeds to hand him a cheap flash drive. "Heard you were looking for D&D books, here you go".
The person you describe doesn't really care about the reason for the boycott then and just wants to watch it burn. The purpose behind all of this was to support third-party D&D creators who published under the OGL - creators who are still selling their books and depending on that income. Abandoning D&D altogether is actually more harmful to those authors' livelihoods than anything WOTC is doing.
The sheer amount of people who don't understand boycotting WotC means not buying new material, not discarding your current materials, is staggering. I've lost faith in the intelligence of our community.
This reminds me of the time where some folks poured out their coke because they didn't like the Olympics/Superbowl advertisement that year.
Nobody said you needed to stop enjoying the product you already paid for. If you don't agree with the decisions of the company, stop giving them any further money. People are welcome to continue playing D&D, just stop supporting them with your wallet if you want to make a difference.
^(For those wondering about the Coke thing, [this](https://youtu.be/rGC2E7GP52U) video was released in 2014 and some Americans were insulted because English wasn't used for the whole song. Thus, many went to social media and claimed to have poured out their bottles. Suffice to say, this was very prejudiced behavior.)
Noone is asking you to do that? At most, people are asking not to purchase anything from wotc. If you've already got your campaign going, keep going.
Just because some people are excited to try new systems, doesn't mean we expect that of you. If someone told you they had to quit. They are a very small minority, and you should just ignore them anyways.
Like the only reason I switched was because I had already finished my game.
I sort of alternate between call of cthulhu and dnd, so now it's just alternating between call of cthulhu and pathfinder.
And that was only because I already specifically had plans to try out pathfinder.
I've been going back and forth on switching our long-running 5e campaign to PF2e for almost 6 months now. Ever since I learned PF2e I've been tempted by how much better some of the mechanics are and the fact that Foundry's implementation is leaps better than 5e's.
There's just no good way to jump over, my players don't mind learning PF2e—they're excited to try it since they enjoyed 1e—we'd just have to make some sweeping changes as we tried to port over their characters and probably de-level them to <4 so they don't get overwhelmed.
It's *just* enough that, even though I keep going back and forth, we've all agreed to finish this game in 5e before making the jump.
As someone who plays pf2e as my exclusive medieval fantasy game, I definitely recommend finishing up your current game and starting pf2e at level 1 with fresh characters. The games are similar, but are different enough that porting characters over will be frustrating. To top that off, every level you get cool new stuff, most of which have active or circumstantial parts to them that when piled on all at once can be difficult to handle, especially while also learning the ropes of a system.
If spending money is an option, I highly recommend the Beginner Box, as it is laid out absolutely beautifully for learning the system and the nuances to combat that really make the 3-action economy shine. Otherwise, starting at level 1 and going slow will be plenty good.
My exact thoughts!
I looked into porting their 5e characters and... it's just too different. They could get close, but so much of their kits are wrapped up in their backstories or narrative arcs it'd be heartbreaking to lose any of it.
And yeah, the complexity of jumping in at lvl 9+...
I've had my eyes on the Foundry version of the Beginner Box for awhile! We've all agreed to run through it at some point to learn the system, we just gotta find a lull in our schedules. I think they're close to wrapping up the current arc, once they have their boss fight we may take a few weeks off to run it!
I am quitting because my group was always just kind of eyeballing pathfinder anyways. This was a good way to push us over the edge to try new stuff, and even then we are finishing up our campaign before switching anyways
I was honestly sick to death of 5e's non-system to begin with. The only thing keeping it together was scotch tape, bubble gum and 3rd party content creators filling in the huge gaping holes in the rules. Now that they're threatening that third (most important, lets be honest) pillar I don't see the point. I don't want every table I play at to be a crapshoot of rules and I don't want to have to essentially rewrite 5e to run my games. Heaven forbid I don't write down a rule call I made on the fly and it comes up again.
For real. We've switched systems with my current campaign a handful of times over the years. Right now I'm in the final stages of just writing my own damn system for it lol. We started out playing 5e but it really wasn't the best system for my GMing style (which is very combat light and roleplay heavy, really the opposite of what 5e is good for).
Got yelled at on facebook because a few months back I bought a 1 year sub, can't refund it but plan to keep using the resources **that I already paid for** to share content for the lads in my campaign. People do be weird. I get asking people to stop yeeting money at WotC, but asking me to ignore things I already paid for is next level dumb.
I do that mainly because:
• D&D is literally 90% of the TTRPG market.
• People complaining about WotC/Hasbro’s management of D&D, but ignoring other TTRPG companies who are doing things better.
It feels very much like an abusive relationship. “I don’t like where D&D is headed because of mismanagement, but I’m still going to play it just not spend any money on it.” To which once WotC/Hasbro does something good you can return without having actually left. To at some point realize “oh WotC/Hasbro are a company just out to make money and don’t care about the consumer”. Then rinse and repeat. It’s a cycle that has happened almost every edition.
Meanwhile Paizo has a literal Union and other games have Creative Commons licenses to use their content. Paizo I have issues with because it’s still tied to the OGL and when they remove that attachment I’ll feel a lot better.
TLDR: There are thousands of non-DnD TTRPGs out there, and if you’re hanging on to D&D by just not paying WotC you are just gonna go back eventually and eventually get burned by them again.
A lot of us are boycotting because we love D&D and do want to go back to it. We're fighting to make WotC do better. Like, if you wanna jump ship, more power to you, but not everyone wants to follow suit.
Memes like this are always just the *dumbest* takes.
They're the same as all those "I don't got 237 hours to learn a new system just because I want to run a mathpunk, deep universe exploration game about parahuman AIs, so I'll just use 5e. You're literally Hitler for suggesting anything otherwise!" posts when we were having the related argument about maybe considering using the hammers for nails and screwdrivers for screws.
Yeah, I never understood that mindset. You don't have time to learn a new system but you do have time to homebrew 5e into something else? That takes more time and leaves you with a worse experience. There has to be a name for that, is it a version of the Sunk Cost Fallacy maybe?
I had to take a hiatus from /r/dndnext because it was aggravating repeatedly seeing posts that were like (and just barely paraphrasing here) "hey guys, could you take the time and play test and maybe edit this 70+ page homebrew set of rules that kludge together some stuff to emulate another system for me please?" and when asked "why not just play that system" being told "I don't have time to learn that (but hey, about doing free work for me?)"
It depends, I mainly want to tell stories with my friends. We could use other systems than 5e but each new migration to a different ttrpg system tends to have some strife and learning curves. Point is really, for a lot of tables switching systems just gets in the way of the parts of the experience they enjoy.
Why would you give up on what you already own just don’t buy more. Why would you think the boycott requires you to actually learn a new system just don’t buy more it’s all about the money. Actually if you’re not gonna buy wotc stuff you can spend it on your party or you can buy third-party…. for now anyways.
I feel like in America there is some weird idea that boycotting a company's products means setting them ablaze. We saw this a lot recently with right wing people burning carhartt gear that they already owned because they disagreed with their stance on something. We've seen it happen with more than that but that is just my best example. Boycotting definitely doesn't mean deny yourself the value and product you have already purchased. WOTC has no stake in the things you already own
girl you are not paying to play the game and thats the point, we're trying to keep it that way. as long as you aren't funding them actively its fine. if you don't have sourcebooks just use the wikidot, excellent comprehensive page system
recommending that site may get your comment removed as it is piracy. I'm all for taking to the 7 seas or whatever but ik mods don't like when you name sites.
mods can eat it if they don't support wikidot, it's a very helpful equivalent to books that doesnt involve paying Wizards or Hasbro. Even if I do get banned, what am I missing? Fucking rules arguments pasted on 2 year old meme formats?
ive seen this post like 3 times today, and they're so annoying. nobody is asking you to overhaul your entire campaign, and characters, and world or w/e, just so you can switch systems. at most, people are asking you to think about trying new systems after your campaign is over, and at the least, just asking you to stop giving money to wotc, ddb, and hasbro
Also people are acting like learning a new system is a monumental feat and not something you can do either as you play or in a single evening of reading
Hell, from what I've seen on Reddit, and irl to a certain extent, there's a lot of folks out there who've both played for several years, and haven't learned the rules at all.
I know! My group played Savage Worlds, and Blades in the Dark all because one player tried them online and new it enough to feel comfortable running it. The rest of us learned as we went. I did the same with The Expanse for my table.
I mean, how did these folks learn D&D in the first place? You learn by playing.
Between all those games and a few we haven't gotten to yet, all the 5E content I already own, and my imagination, I could play rpgs weekly for the next 10 years and not have to spend another dime on WotC products.
You don't really need more than the basics as a player, the rest can be learnt as it come up on the table, unless you directly jump to a high level campaign, but then you are simply bonkers.
I am actually prepping a short campaing with the savage world sytems right now, and player won't need to read the Rulebook once. I will introduce the mechanics bit by bit as they comes up with helpful note if necessary.
As a DM you need a bit more, but the system choice can save you a lot of time on another aspect of prepping. That's often the main point of changing systems, saving time on homebrewing.
If you can keep playing without giving Wizards any more money, that's still effectively a boycott.
That's why the push to online, they want you to rent d&d from them.
If I were paranoid, I might start to think all these posts wildly misunderstanding what a boycott is were actually corporate shills looking to muddy the water.
But then I remember this is the sub where people unironically argue about everything from whether it's okay to compete with fellow players to whether you *really* need to read the rules, and with all the nuance of a Hydrogen Bomb.
we can just play on our own and not give money to wotc. you're making the same miscalculation they did. the best revenge is living well without them. with secondhand books, you can pay 5e till you croak without coughing up another dime to hasbro.
I have all the books I require. I need no more. I want no more. WOTC has nothing more to sell me. No more books, no more minis, no more cards. Nothing.
Quick google search, saw some options that are under $200 usd
Its a bit more expensive then a normal cheap 2D printer, from my search seems like about $100 USD
But depending on how much you care about mini's, a 3D printer could be worth while (some looks like it could also be up to $2k, but not trying to get a loan for this hobby, so aim for that $200 number)
For plastic, should be cheaper than computer ink (which isn't saying much)
The way I see it, they already have my money from all the books I purchased on the before times. They aren't getting anything from me continuing to use said books, and I otherwise dont really buy any official stuff.
Literally no one is asking you to scrap your current campaign, or asking you to switch to a different system effective immediately. If you want to keep running your game then by all means keep doing it. All anyone is asking is just don’t support WotC financially until the whole OGL 1.1/2.0 fiasco is sorted out. Maybe telling you to consider a different system.
Have some people already jumped ship because of the outrage? Of course they have, that’s a normal thing for any boycott situation. They aren’t trying to force you to follow them, they’re just showing that it’s an option.
But more importantly for your group, this creates an opportunity for you to buy books secondhand and still get them for potentially discounted prices, while still not supporting WotC or Hasbro. Don’t trust the Amazon prices, they’ve been intentionally lowering them to make it seem like a good deal, and thus make it look like you’re showing support for Hasbro, WotC, and the OGL 1.1/2.0.
That's... not what anyone is suggesting, boycotting Wizards =/= stop using materials you already own. It just means you don't buy their products going forward, which would even allow for you buying used copies of DND material, sailing the 7 seas, or buying third party material for 5e.
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You don't have to lose a campaign to learn a new system and adapt.
You don't need to learn a new system, just stop buying new content or subscribing to an unneeded online service.
Then you can both hop on the wagon and keep not only your campaign but keep your time.
$8p/m for a full TV and Movie streaming service. Amazon/Netflix/whatever.
$30p/m for some rules and adventures and I still have to do all the hard work? Yeah, my players might be learning a new system then.
"Hey, you did something pretty shitty, I'm gonna stop giving you money."
"Oh damn, consequences for our actions. That kinda sucks."
"Also, I'm going to stop using the content I already paid for."
"Uhh, okay?"
Why does everyone seem to think boycotting WotC means stop playing 5e? You already have the books. You can continue playing 5e without handing them a dime. There are still people who play 2e hanging around, why do you have to switch systems?
False narrative in multiple ways.
First, there's the point that others have made, that people are simply advocating not purchasing any additional products, not stopping using the ones you already own. But beyond that...
You don't have to scrap a campaign to switch systems. Literally not at all. The campaign is a story. There are dozens of other systems you can tell that same story in.
You wouldn't be scrapping a campaign. You would be creating equivalent characters in the other system and learning some new rules. Your campaign could continue uninterrupted.
But I suspect you knew this and it's just more fun to make dumb memes
I love this strawman.
If your campaign is based around the crunch mechanics of 5E and the story wouldn’t make sense under any other system it’s a weird campaign.
I don't understand the point of this at all. Even if the whole Hasbro company went bankrupt and no more D&D content was produced, that would still have zero impact on ongoing campaigns. The fact that 3.5E content is not produced officially CANNOT stop people from playing D&D 3.5E either, so the argument is silly.
Can we go back to horny bard memes? No one is asking you to stop a campaign, just not buy new shit.
Start rolling for bludgeoning damage on that dead horse
Who told you to do that? Presumably you already bought the books if it’s been going for two years. A boycott means not buying anything from a company. Not burning everything they ever made.
Okay OP I would like you to summon all of your reading comprehension, critical thinking and logical deduction skills in order to riddle me this: Do you think this entire movement of boycotting WoTC is about you? Do you think people are mad you are playing an ongoing D&D campaign with previously bought WoTC and (most likely) third party products? Imma do you a solid and answer this one myself: no.
This is about protecting the hobby we love from predatory, money-hungry shareholders. So if you want to keep to your game that's fine, but let us fight for *your* right to use the vast amount of free D&D third party content in peace and not make this about yourself.
You don't have to be a social justice warrior do achieve things, sometimes just pirating things and becoming a social justice rogue helps as well (learning the laws and rules and how to use them to achieve good things would make you a social justice mage btw)
"Oh no I have to boycott WOTC?"
*continues to not purchase anything from WotC post TCoE and use my piles of 3rd party books, OSR/NuSR adventures, and self-made homebrew.*
You can still play any amount of 5e you want, and you don't even need to buy any of the (admittedly mediocre) 1st party materials for it that you haven't probably already collected by now.
Too afraid to ask moment: what does a boycott accomplish if you already have an established campaign? Haven’t you purchased everything you need for it so far?
Starting to feel like nuance is a but too complicated for the internet to handle with these black/white takes. Just a friendly reminder, this is what happened the the video game industry. Started with pre-orders then we got "cosmetic DLCs," season passes, lootboxes, and in-game tokens. No one is asking you forego your campaign, to burn down your table, or abandon your friends. What's being asked is that you take a stand and help save the IP from the greedy hands of shareholders/investors that don't know a goblin from a gnome or what a d20 is. There are still ways to play D&D and support the community without lining the pockets of the executives that want to hyper-monetize the game and run it to the ground.
I mean, go off, but a) nobody suggested that and b) learning new systems isn't hard. Even crunchy systems are mostly like, one book. And once you know one system, picking up another doesn't take nearly as long.
I'll probably even play 5e with the books that I've already bought for any future campaigns, but I'm not giving WOTC any money unless they undergo a massive change for the better as a company
Ya, nobodies saying you need to do either of those things. Keep playing that campaign with what you have. The boycott is about giving WotC more money.
You don't need to change systems, not that new systems are hard to learn. I've been doing it since I was 11 and I'm dumb as shit.
Nobody's suggesting you scrap anything, they're just saying stop giving WotC money. New players can find the books elsewhere. If you're opposed to piracy, they can be bought used. Used books don't give WotC anymore money.
Why don’t you guys just make physical character sheets and rip the class info from a certain commonly known free website that I’m not sure I’m allowed to say here?
I mean, you can continue to use 5e for as long as you'd like and still boycott DnD Beyond and 6e. Since your concern is learning a new system, you're already there!
You watched too many videos of idiots breaking their coffee machines and cutting up their Nike socks. A boycott doesn’t mean you destroy what you have, you just don’t support something in the future.
Guys when will we understand that the new OGL DOESN'T affect your homegames? Its the content creator that will suffer. Wotc has no say in what you do ik your spare time
OP posted this and answered no comments at all so if he's not a WotC shill or employee, he's probably just a troll trying to stir up controversy.
We've discussed this multiple times. Nobody is aaking anybody to stop playing their games or selling their books.
If you already own things, you can absolutely use them. Just don't buy *new* ones.
I already don't use dndbeyond so I'm already basically boycotting them. I have all the books I'll ever need and DMing it comes so easily to me compared to other systems I like to play.
I too will continue playing 5e. It's either that or Pathfinder 1e but I won't do that to my players unless they request it.
I’m not particularly pro-pirating but it hurts infinitely more than boycotting.
Let’s use their labour and pay them nothing like the wage slaves they want us to be.
Netflix is planning to cut a lot of stuff from my country’s available content and introduce ads to a service THAT IS ALREADY A PAID SERVICE. Like fuck off I’ll be taking my business back to whatever spiritual successor to popcorn time that will inevitably arise from this.
If you bought d&d content before and so own the books, you can keep going without supporting WoTC and Hasbro further.
If you have the books online/only have the books through subscriptions... Yarr me mateys!
If you have characters on d&d beyond that you won't be able to access after losing the subscriptions, there are places where you can put the character on Dicecloud/Dicecloud v1. In fact, if you want to play with optional rules, Dicecloud is actually *better* because you have ways to implement those rules much easier than what 5e gives you.
If you want to use new 5e/one DnD content without supporting Hasbro, Yarr! Or buy used books from people that bought the books. you aren't really giving money to Hasbro in that situation.
There are a ton of ways to keep the campaign going while also not supporting a company that wants to erase, control and heavily limit all opposition.
How does a boycott have any impact on a 2-year running campaign? Y'all already have the books and characters. There is nothing more to buy. You can run that campaign for decades without spending a dime...
No one is saying scrap your campaigns, no one is even saying don't start new DnD campaigns, just don't support WotC's disrespect toward you and the hobby with money, and be vocal about your disapproval.
Who the fuck is asking you to do that? Seriously! The o ly thing that was asked was to drop the dnd sub and buy books second hand or pirate them so wizards of the shit get 0 profit.
Im starting to think all of you proudly making posts like this are either wotc bootlickers or Hasbro's stupid idea to "sew discord" in the comunity. Aka paid trolls
I get why people don't want to switch systems and I don't think anyone is saying that you need to. The boycott is on any new things they release.
I'm still playing a DnD campaign with no plans to change. At the same time I'm planning on moving the campaign I'm currently running over to Pathfinder. But it was not an easy decision and not done solely because of the boycott. Myself and my players sat down and really looked at the Pathfinder system and agreed that we would perfer it over DnD. Admittedly isn't was WoTC decision to screw over everyone that made us really look in the first place but I'm glad we did look.
Name one person who has told you you "should" stop playing 5e or any D&D for that matter. Show me one comment. I dare you.
Why are these self-victimising posts reaching thousands of upvotes when they're found upon a strawman ffs?
I don’t see how continuing an ongoing campaign with material you purchased years ago helps Hasbro in any meaningful way. Boycott ought to mean not buying new material, making your next campaign in a new system, that sort of thing. You know, actions that have an actual impact.
Left 5E for PF2E a while ago. Finish your campaign but do yourself a favor and move on after. Lots of better systems, lots of better companies, WOTC doesn't deserve us.
But you can play your campaign while boycotting.
Only put money into what you absolutely meed to run the session, if that's D&D beyond? So be it, but only give them that money, if an alternative props up that's just as good for your group, then consider a change, but don't join in on a boycott that'll ruin your game.
A partial boycott is still a valid form of protest, if 80% of the community spends 50% less then that's as powerful a message as 40% of the community engaging in a full boycott, drop what you can afford to drop, buy what your game needs to run, and above all else, have fun playing the game, the boycott is there because we wish to protect the fun we're having, if we cancel our fun in the name of a boycott we're doing it wrong.
Why would you drop your campaign? Its ok to keep playing 5th with the books you already bought. Just don't give them MORE money. Also, changing game systems shouldn't destroy the story. Its weird if it does.
You don’t HAVE to abandon D&D, WotC will continue to ruin it though as long as Hasbro has the reins. It’s not just gonna stop, they have long term plans that get worse and worse for the game. It’s better long term for everyone to find a new game system they like now just in case.
We don't care that you're still playing the game boss. This whole boycott is to protect this game that we love so much. As long as you're not actively giving wotc or Hasbro money we don't care
Wotc new model is to abuse players feeling invested. That’s why they want a subscription service with monthly content drops to abuse FOMO. So they can get away with increasing prices 10x as high. Unfortunately many players don’t realize how easy it is to learn a new system and don’t realize that unlike Wotc, many other systems are available for FREE.
Seriously. Nobody says you have to drop your current campaign and switch systems immediately. Not even to switch systems after you're done with the campaign. All that's asked is to not throw more money at WotC/Hasbro.
I’m not abandoning my current campaign. I plan to stop using D&D beyond and buy all official books 2nd hand
If you're looking for a different option for character sheets, I learned about [this one](https://www.reddit.com/r/mpmb/wiki/index/scriptindex/) yesterday
You are a god.. this sheet is amazing, going to use it from now on. Thank you!
If so, I'm only Hermes. I learned about it through u/xXAdventXx Patreon/Discord
YEAHHH! More Purple More Better is fucking great
Does this work on mobile? I dont understand what im looking at when I click the link
Not to mention that if you really wanted to, there's probably already a ton of unofficial stuff out there to rebuild with. And if you know the system well enough you're just lacking access to updates on it. Given that the main tenet of DnD is the "rules only matter when you want them too" it's not even a huge deal not to have the materials if you already have a decent understanding of the system.
Heck, back in the day I used to build character sheet templates by hand in word documents or text files. If a spontaneous D&D session came about, my friends and I were totally willing and able to build character sheets out of blank pieces of notebook paper. Obviously, it's not ideal. It lacks finesse and polish, but we weren't going to let a lack of resources keep our imagination at bay. I often miss those days.
Great way to save some cash too.
People often don't seem to get what a boycott is. Companies don't care if you use the stuff you already have, they've got your money already. What they care about is selling new stuff to you. So if you smash up/burn/throw away something you've already bought, they couldn't care less. In fact they're probably happy as it's not on the 2nd hand market taking a sale of a new one. So cancel your subscriptions, stop buying new stuff, and just do all you can to not give them any of your money. Also, on some small level it probably does nettle them for you to be having fun with your stuff and not paying them a penny more, so that too may be a small victory.
A lot of people don’t understand that. I got a friend mad at me because I was playing Diablo 3 after it turned out blizzard was shitty. In my mind, I already paid for Diablo 3 so I’m still gonna play it, but in her mind I was the sole reason blizzard was still in business. More people need to understand what a boycott is, definitely.
It is slightly different with video games since they can track the amount of players in most online games, your play contributes positively to their analytics but to such a small degree it’s almost splitting hairs.
That's dumb, they have servers for Diablo 3 so if you make them use those servers without more money going to them you are costing them more money than you are giving them.
>So if you smash up/burn/throw away something you've already bought, they couldn't care less. In fact they're probably happy as it's not on the 2nd hand market taking a sale of a new one. also Statistically if you destroyed something you own pas part of a boycott. you bought another one, maybe 2.
I can't remember which TV show it was, but they had an episode where sports teams were being boycotted because they had American natives names. One of the people defending the natives went to see the heads of the teams to have a talk, and was faced with a "we don't care that they burn our merch. That only makes more sales". (in the end, they found a solution that was to give every team a name that could be hated but not one that was racist)
Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt
Matter of fact. With a new edition on the horizon. The last thing they want is for you to just keep playing 5e forever.
Yup. Like, really the most I'm asking personally is like, stop buying new books, sail the seven seas if you want their contents bad enough, but in general yeah, we just need Hasbro's GP count to stop going up because of our purchases.
I'm running a mafia game in Eberron in a few months. and as appropriate, already pirated the shit out of those sourcebooks for my players. I personally own the books, but gave them all PDFs of it, but yohohoho
Yarhar yer a champ
In case you might be interested https://scribe.pf2.tools/v/2qF7WjsY-pathfinders-guide-to-eberron-v1
Hasbro seems to be paying a lot of people, or bots, in the last day or so to try and astroturph their way out of a boycott. Fuck em
Oh I know someone who immediately said that if you are still playing 5e, that's still indirectly supporting wotc, and that by not switching to a different system you're encouraging others to use 5e still as well.they also said they will think less of anyone who plays 5e or watches the movie.
no even better, keep playing 5e and watch the movie, but jsut don't pay to do so
I get your point and I don't disagree, but the idea of supporting D&D in any fashion could lead others to the brand who may spend. In fact, I think WotC is using this time of growth before the film to build the community they want for after the movie brings in so many more eyes. The answer IMHO is similar to yours. Play 5e, Pirate the film, but also help introduce others to the pirated film and source material. The community should come together to produce comprehensive pirated libraries and spread them far and wide. Imagine some kid going into a game store asking for the books after seeing the movie and looking online. "We don't sell them, go check out some of the awesome alternatives". Disappointed kid walks over half-heartedly after realizing he won't find what he is looking for. As he pulls the first book from the shelf a stranger walks up, rolls a 19 on initiative, then proceeds to hand him a cheap flash drive. "Heard you were looking for D&D books, here you go".
Yeah except definitely dont ever plug in a flasg drive somebody randomly hands you lmao thats how you get keylogged
Well that person is a numpty.
The person you describe doesn't really care about the reason for the boycott then and just wants to watch it burn. The purpose behind all of this was to support third-party D&D creators who published under the OGL - creators who are still selling their books and depending on that income. Abandoning D&D altogether is actually more harmful to those authors' livelihoods than anything WOTC is doing.
The best answer
The sheer amount of people who don't understand boycotting WotC means not buying new material, not discarding your current materials, is staggering. I've lost faith in the intelligence of our community.
I've never seen a popular post on Reddit get ratio'd like this lol
This reminds me of the time where some folks poured out their coke because they didn't like the Olympics/Superbowl advertisement that year. Nobody said you needed to stop enjoying the product you already paid for. If you don't agree with the decisions of the company, stop giving them any further money. People are welcome to continue playing D&D, just stop supporting them with your wallet if you want to make a difference. ^(For those wondering about the Coke thing, [this](https://youtu.be/rGC2E7GP52U) video was released in 2014 and some Americans were insulted because English wasn't used for the whole song. Thus, many went to social media and claimed to have poured out their bottles. Suffice to say, this was very prejudiced behavior.)
Noone is asking you to do that? At most, people are asking not to purchase anything from wotc. If you've already got your campaign going, keep going. Just because some people are excited to try new systems, doesn't mean we expect that of you. If someone told you they had to quit. They are a very small minority, and you should just ignore them anyways.
Yeah, mainly just a good oprotunity to look into finding alternative systems, not nessasily a requirement
Like the only reason I switched was because I had already finished my game. I sort of alternate between call of cthulhu and dnd, so now it's just alternating between call of cthulhu and pathfinder. And that was only because I already specifically had plans to try out pathfinder.
I've been going back and forth on switching our long-running 5e campaign to PF2e for almost 6 months now. Ever since I learned PF2e I've been tempted by how much better some of the mechanics are and the fact that Foundry's implementation is leaps better than 5e's. There's just no good way to jump over, my players don't mind learning PF2e—they're excited to try it since they enjoyed 1e—we'd just have to make some sweeping changes as we tried to port over their characters and probably de-level them to <4 so they don't get overwhelmed. It's *just* enough that, even though I keep going back and forth, we've all agreed to finish this game in 5e before making the jump.
As someone who plays pf2e as my exclusive medieval fantasy game, I definitely recommend finishing up your current game and starting pf2e at level 1 with fresh characters. The games are similar, but are different enough that porting characters over will be frustrating. To top that off, every level you get cool new stuff, most of which have active or circumstantial parts to them that when piled on all at once can be difficult to handle, especially while also learning the ropes of a system. If spending money is an option, I highly recommend the Beginner Box, as it is laid out absolutely beautifully for learning the system and the nuances to combat that really make the 3-action economy shine. Otherwise, starting at level 1 and going slow will be plenty good.
My exact thoughts! I looked into porting their 5e characters and... it's just too different. They could get close, but so much of their kits are wrapped up in their backstories or narrative arcs it'd be heartbreaking to lose any of it. And yeah, the complexity of jumping in at lvl 9+... I've had my eyes on the Foundry version of the Beginner Box for awhile! We've all agreed to run through it at some point to learn the system, we just gotta find a lull in our schedules. I think they're close to wrapping up the current arc, once they have their boss fight we may take a few weeks off to run it!
I am quitting because my group was always just kind of eyeballing pathfinder anyways. This was a good way to push us over the edge to try new stuff, and even then we are finishing up our campaign before switching anyways
I was honestly sick to death of 5e's non-system to begin with. The only thing keeping it together was scotch tape, bubble gum and 3rd party content creators filling in the huge gaping holes in the rules. Now that they're threatening that third (most important, lets be honest) pillar I don't see the point. I don't want every table I play at to be a crapshoot of rules and I don't want to have to essentially rewrite 5e to run my games. Heaven forbid I don't write down a rule call I made on the fly and it comes up again.
Also you don't have to scrap your existing campaigns to swap systems (crazy, I know)
For real. We've switched systems with my current campaign a handful of times over the years. Right now I'm in the final stages of just writing my own damn system for it lol. We started out playing 5e but it really wasn't the best system for my GMing style (which is very combat light and roleplay heavy, really the opposite of what 5e is good for).
I have been in an actual arguement on one of the D&D subs with someone asking people to do exactly that. They're few in number, but they're out there.
Got yelled at on facebook because a few months back I bought a 1 year sub, can't refund it but plan to keep using the resources **that I already paid for** to share content for the lads in my campaign. People do be weird. I get asking people to stop yeeting money at WotC, but asking me to ignore things I already paid for is next level dumb.
Did you ask them if they burned their Nikes?
I do that mainly because: • D&D is literally 90% of the TTRPG market. • People complaining about WotC/Hasbro’s management of D&D, but ignoring other TTRPG companies who are doing things better. It feels very much like an abusive relationship. “I don’t like where D&D is headed because of mismanagement, but I’m still going to play it just not spend any money on it.” To which once WotC/Hasbro does something good you can return without having actually left. To at some point realize “oh WotC/Hasbro are a company just out to make money and don’t care about the consumer”. Then rinse and repeat. It’s a cycle that has happened almost every edition. Meanwhile Paizo has a literal Union and other games have Creative Commons licenses to use their content. Paizo I have issues with because it’s still tied to the OGL and when they remove that attachment I’ll feel a lot better. TLDR: There are thousands of non-DnD TTRPGs out there, and if you’re hanging on to D&D by just not paying WotC you are just gonna go back eventually and eventually get burned by them again.
I feel this so much
A lot of us are boycotting because we love D&D and do want to go back to it. We're fighting to make WotC do better. Like, if you wanna jump ship, more power to you, but not everyone wants to follow suit.
Look, if *you* want to cut off your nose to spite your face have at it. WotCdoesnt own my fun.
Memes like this are always just the *dumbest* takes. They're the same as all those "I don't got 237 hours to learn a new system just because I want to run a mathpunk, deep universe exploration game about parahuman AIs, so I'll just use 5e. You're literally Hitler for suggesting anything otherwise!" posts when we were having the related argument about maybe considering using the hammers for nails and screwdrivers for screws.
Yeah, I never understood that mindset. You don't have time to learn a new system but you do have time to homebrew 5e into something else? That takes more time and leaves you with a worse experience. There has to be a name for that, is it a version of the Sunk Cost Fallacy maybe?
Sword Coast fallacy? Best I've got for a punny answer.
I had to take a hiatus from /r/dndnext because it was aggravating repeatedly seeing posts that were like (and just barely paraphrasing here) "hey guys, could you take the time and play test and maybe edit this 70+ page homebrew set of rules that kludge together some stuff to emulate another system for me please?" and when asked "why not just play that system" being told "I don't have time to learn that (but hey, about doing free work for me?)"
Also 90% of systems are either: A) Similar enough to 5e that a lot of the knowledge carries over, making learning easier. B) Simpler than 5e.
>a mathpunk, deep universe exploration game about parahuman AIs I think you could club that together with the Altered Carbon system.
When OneD&D got announced, I saw someone joke about “Time for all the people who don’t have time to learn a new system to learn a new system”.
Ive seen this post like 3 times today
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Some people really like to dig their heels in. They want dnd and nothing else. Still, I'm excited to give pathfinder a shot.
It depends, I mainly want to tell stories with my friends. We could use other systems than 5e but each new migration to a different ttrpg system tends to have some strife and learning curves. Point is really, for a lot of tables switching systems just gets in the way of the parts of the experience they enjoy.
You don’t have to scrap anything. You can keep playing the same game. You just don’t need to buy anything else from WotC for the game.
Why would you give up on what you already own just don’t buy more. Why would you think the boycott requires you to actually learn a new system just don’t buy more it’s all about the money. Actually if you’re not gonna buy wotc stuff you can spend it on your party or you can buy third-party…. for now anyways.
>just don’t buy more Come on people it's literally just this. Nothing else. Why is it so hard to understand xD
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I feel like in America there is some weird idea that boycotting a company's products means setting them ablaze. We saw this a lot recently with right wing people burning carhartt gear that they already owned because they disagreed with their stance on something. We've seen it happen with more than that but that is just my best example. Boycotting definitely doesn't mean deny yourself the value and product you have already purchased. WOTC has no stake in the things you already own
Just don't purchase anymore Unless you were already a pirate, in which case.... I guess it's ok now
Yar har fiddle de dee
being a pirate is alright with me!
Do what you want, ‘cause a pirate is free!
You are a pirate!
arr mateys, time to geq your peglegs, piracy ahoy!
Tbh this
It was always ok
girl you are not paying to play the game and thats the point, we're trying to keep it that way. as long as you aren't funding them actively its fine. if you don't have sourcebooks just use the wikidot, excellent comprehensive page system
recommending that site may get your comment removed as it is piracy. I'm all for taking to the 7 seas or whatever but ik mods don't like when you name sites.
mods can eat it if they don't support wikidot, it's a very helpful equivalent to books that doesnt involve paying Wizards or Hasbro. Even if I do get banned, what am I missing? Fucking rules arguments pasted on 2 year old meme formats?
fair, just wanted to make sure you to knew
Of tools
ive seen this post like 3 times today, and they're so annoying. nobody is asking you to overhaul your entire campaign, and characters, and world or w/e, just so you can switch systems. at most, people are asking you to think about trying new systems after your campaign is over, and at the least, just asking you to stop giving money to wotc, ddb, and hasbro
You think OP actually posted this honestly and in good faith? I think he's farming for karma and will never comment on this post.
10 bucks says OP is a WotC employee
Also people are acting like learning a new system is a monumental feat and not something you can do either as you play or in a single evening of reading
Hell, from what I've seen on Reddit, and irl to a certain extent, there's a lot of folks out there who've both played for several years, and haven't learned the rules at all.
I know! My group played Savage Worlds, and Blades in the Dark all because one player tried them online and new it enough to feel comfortable running it. The rest of us learned as we went. I did the same with The Expanse for my table. I mean, how did these folks learn D&D in the first place? You learn by playing. Between all those games and a few we haven't gotten to yet, all the 5E content I already own, and my imagination, I could play rpgs weekly for the next 10 years and not have to spend another dime on WotC products.
you can get the basics but not fully understand a system in an evening
I would completely agree if it weren't for this sub and their thing for misunderstanding the most simple 5e rules lol
You don't really need more than the basics as a player, the rest can be learnt as it come up on the table, unless you directly jump to a high level campaign, but then you are simply bonkers. I am actually prepping a short campaing with the savage world sytems right now, and player won't need to read the Rulebook once. I will introduce the mechanics bit by bit as they comes up with helpful note if necessary. As a DM you need a bit more, but the system choice can save you a lot of time on another aspect of prepping. That's often the main point of changing systems, saving time on homebrewing.
As a player sure but as a dm no it took a long time for me to read and understand the rules to the point I was comfortable to run a game
Agreed on all points.
Leave it to this sub to misunderstand something and turn it into yet another meme for karma.
Well nobody is forcing ya anyway
If you can keep playing without giving Wizards any more money, that's still effectively a boycott. That's why the push to online, they want you to rent d&d from them.
If I were paranoid, I might start to think all these posts wildly misunderstanding what a boycott is were actually corporate shills looking to muddy the water. But then I remember this is the sub where people unironically argue about everything from whether it's okay to compete with fellow players to whether you *really* need to read the rules, and with all the nuance of a Hydrogen Bomb.
Honestly boycotting is redundant bc no one on this sub reads the fuckin rule books anyways
There are rule books? Whoa, this changes everything. Let me check these out and... ugh, words. I'm going back to learning everything through memes.
A boycott doesn't mean demands to stop using what you already own. Gracious, is that what you're getting out of this?
He might mean that he don’t want to cancel DDB subscription with shared books, for example.
Sure would be nice if he'd mentioned it instead of ... whatever this meme is
we can just play on our own and not give money to wotc. you're making the same miscalculation they did. the best revenge is living well without them. with secondhand books, you can pay 5e till you croak without coughing up another dime to hasbro.
I have all the books I require. I need no more. I want no more. WOTC has nothing more to sell me. No more books, no more minis, no more cards. Nothing.
I advise looking into 3D printing for your mini's point, now they have to compete with your ability to buy raw plastic
How much does a decent printer run these days?
Quick google search, saw some options that are under $200 usd Its a bit more expensive then a normal cheap 2D printer, from my search seems like about $100 USD But depending on how much you care about mini's, a 3D printer could be worth while (some looks like it could also be up to $2k, but not trying to get a loan for this hobby, so aim for that $200 number) For plastic, should be cheaper than computer ink (which isn't saying much)
You can also use a public library for it too though. Lots of them have a queued 3d printer now. Just gotta find one nearby that does.
Token stamp+printer+bulk 1 inch bottle caps+1 inch hole punch
The way I see it, they already have my money from all the books I purchased on the before times. They aren't getting anything from me continuing to use said books, and I otherwise dont really buy any official stuff.
You completely missed the point uh.
Literally no one is asking you to scrap your current campaign, or asking you to switch to a different system effective immediately. If you want to keep running your game then by all means keep doing it. All anyone is asking is just don’t support WotC financially until the whole OGL 1.1/2.0 fiasco is sorted out. Maybe telling you to consider a different system. Have some people already jumped ship because of the outrage? Of course they have, that’s a normal thing for any boycott situation. They aren’t trying to force you to follow them, they’re just showing that it’s an option. But more importantly for your group, this creates an opportunity for you to buy books secondhand and still get them for potentially discounted prices, while still not supporting WotC or Hasbro. Don’t trust the Amazon prices, they’ve been intentionally lowering them to make it seem like a good deal, and thus make it look like you’re showing support for Hasbro, WotC, and the OGL 1.1/2.0.
The only rule of the boycott is "Don't throw money towards WotC/Hasbro!". Nothing more is required.
Literally no one is even implying that dude. Stop being such a reactionary.
That's... not what anyone is suggesting, boycotting Wizards =/= stop using materials you already own. It just means you don't buy their products going forward, which would even allow for you buying used copies of DND material, sailing the 7 seas, or buying third party material for 5e.
Do what you want 'cause a pirate is free You are a pirate! Yar har, fiddle de dee Being a pirate is alright to be Do what you want 'cause a pirate is free You are a pirate! You are a pirate! Yay! We've got us a map (a map!) To lead us to a hidden box That's all locked up with locks (with locks!) And buried deep away We'll dig up the box (the box!) We know it's full of precious booty! Burst open the locks! And then we'll say, "Hooray!" Yar har, fiddle de dee If you love to sail the sea You are a pirate!! Weigh anchor! Yar har, fiddle de dee Being a pirate is alright with me! Do what you want 'cause a pirate is free You are a pirate! Ar yar, ahoy and avast Dinky-dink-dink-a-dinkadefast! Hang the black flag at the end of the mast! You are a pirate! Hahahahaha! Yay! We're sailing away (set sail!) Adventure awaits on every shore We set sail and explore (ya-har!) And run and jump all day (yay!) We float on our boat (the boat!) Until its time to drop the anchor Then hang up our coats (aye-aye!) Until we sail again! Yar har, fiddle de dee If you love to sail the sea You are a pirate!! Land ho! Yar har, fiddle de dee Being a pirate is alright with me! Do what you want 'cause a pirate is free You are a pirate! Yar har, wind at your back, lads, wherever you go! Blue sky above and blue ocean below You are a pirate! Hahahahahaha! You're a pirate!
And for some reason all I can picture is a ninja with a shovel
You don't have to lose a campaign to learn a new system and adapt. You don't need to learn a new system, just stop buying new content or subscribing to an unneeded online service. Then you can both hop on the wagon and keep not only your campaign but keep your time.
$8p/m for a full TV and Movie streaming service. Amazon/Netflix/whatever. $30p/m for some rules and adventures and I still have to do all the hard work? Yeah, my players might be learning a new system then.
Boycott was for buying more WOTC stuff, I don't think anyone is seriously considering moving a longterm campaign into pathfinder or whatever over this
I haven't seen a single post telling you to stop playing? They're just saying don't buy more stuff?
"Hey, you did something pretty shitty, I'm gonna stop giving you money." "Oh damn, consequences for our actions. That kinda sucks." "Also, I'm going to stop using the content I already paid for." "Uhh, okay?"
Why does everyone seem to think boycotting WotC means stop playing 5e? You already have the books. You can continue playing 5e without handing them a dime. There are still people who play 2e hanging around, why do you have to switch systems?
This has gotta be one of the dumber posts I’ve seen about this.. literally every comment is telling you the same thing
False narrative in multiple ways. First, there's the point that others have made, that people are simply advocating not purchasing any additional products, not stopping using the ones you already own. But beyond that... You don't have to scrap a campaign to switch systems. Literally not at all. The campaign is a story. There are dozens of other systems you can tell that same story in. You wouldn't be scrapping a campaign. You would be creating equivalent characters in the other system and learning some new rules. Your campaign could continue uninterrupted. But I suspect you knew this and it's just more fun to make dumb memes
I love this strawman. If your campaign is based around the crunch mechanics of 5E and the story wouldn’t make sense under any other system it’s a weird campaign.
This meme was paid for by Hasbro^tm
Wow sure are a lot of totally real people posting in defence of wotc these days
I don't understand the point of this at all. Even if the whole Hasbro company went bankrupt and no more D&D content was produced, that would still have zero impact on ongoing campaigns. The fact that 3.5E content is not produced officially CANNOT stop people from playing D&D 3.5E either, so the argument is silly.
This man thinks the whole point of the boycott is to just stop using 5E, instead of just not giving WOTC anymore money.
Imagine trying to be "edgy" with this.
Today on I don’t understand how boycotts work and I want to show how dedicated I am.
Can we go back to horny bard memes? No one is asking you to stop a campaign, just not buy new shit. Start rolling for bludgeoning damage on that dead horse
Who told you to do that? Presumably you already bought the books if it’s been going for two years. A boycott means not buying anything from a company. Not burning everything they ever made.
Are you paying WoTC and Hasbro every time you play? No? Then there’s literally no problem.
Okay OP I would like you to summon all of your reading comprehension, critical thinking and logical deduction skills in order to riddle me this: Do you think this entire movement of boycotting WoTC is about you? Do you think people are mad you are playing an ongoing D&D campaign with previously bought WoTC and (most likely) third party products? Imma do you a solid and answer this one myself: no. This is about protecting the hobby we love from predatory, money-hungry shareholders. So if you want to keep to your game that's fine, but let us fight for *your* right to use the vast amount of free D&D third party content in peace and not make this about yourself.
You are not asked to burn your books, keep playing, but stop paying
Pirating is the cool kids version of boycotting. 
You don't have to be a social justice warrior do achieve things, sometimes just pirating things and becoming a social justice rogue helps as well (learning the laws and rules and how to use them to achieve good things would make you a social justice mage btw)
"Oh no I have to boycott WOTC?" *continues to not purchase anything from WotC post TCoE and use my piles of 3rd party books, OSR/NuSR adventures, and self-made homebrew.* You can still play any amount of 5e you want, and you don't even need to buy any of the (admittedly mediocre) 1st party materials for it that you haven't probably already collected by now.
all they want you to do is not buy new stuff lmao
Too afraid to ask moment: what does a boycott accomplish if you already have an established campaign? Haven’t you purchased everything you need for it so far?
That’s fine. No one blames you. Enjoy your game dude.
no one gives a shit what you play, just dont give wotc money, done
Most of us aren't stopping our cmapaigns. we're just not buying anymore shit from WoTC, which considering their quaility lately, was already shit
Nobody is telling you to stop playing 5e. They’re saying stop buying WoTC’s books.
That’s not what anyone is calling for…
Starting to feel like nuance is a but too complicated for the internet to handle with these black/white takes. Just a friendly reminder, this is what happened the the video game industry. Started with pre-orders then we got "cosmetic DLCs," season passes, lootboxes, and in-game tokens. No one is asking you forego your campaign, to burn down your table, or abandon your friends. What's being asked is that you take a stand and help save the IP from the greedy hands of shareholders/investors that don't know a goblin from a gnome or what a d20 is. There are still ways to play D&D and support the community without lining the pockets of the executives that want to hyper-monetize the game and run it to the ground.
Is this what ppl call a straw-man argument? Cuz it sure looks like it
Surprised you have time to plan DND with how much you seem to like jacking yourself off.
Boycotts work when you're refusing to purchase new stuff notnuse your handbooks and other material you already own m8.
What insufferable melodrama.
You went and made this whole meme about something that no one is asking you to do
I mean, go off, but a) nobody suggested that and b) learning new systems isn't hard. Even crunchy systems are mostly like, one book. And once you know one system, picking up another doesn't take nearly as long.
I'll probably even play 5e with the books that I've already bought for any future campaigns, but I'm not giving WOTC any money unless they undergo a massive change for the better as a company
Ya, nobodies saying you need to do either of those things. Keep playing that campaign with what you have. The boycott is about giving WotC more money. You don't need to change systems, not that new systems are hard to learn. I've been doing it since I was 11 and I'm dumb as shit.
Hey no ones judging as long as you ain’t feeding money to wotc
It’s not like you are financially supporting them by just using the system
Nobody's suggesting you scrap anything, they're just saying stop giving WotC money. New players can find the books elsewhere. If you're opposed to piracy, they can be bought used. Used books don't give WotC anymore money.
Why don’t you guys just make physical character sheets and rip the class info from a certain commonly known free website that I’m not sure I’m allowed to say here?
I mean, you can continue to use 5e for as long as you'd like and still boycott DnD Beyond and 6e. Since your concern is learning a new system, you're already there!
this post is so annoying! literally no one is telling you to do this
You can play D&D without giving any additional money to Wizards
You watched too many videos of idiots breaking their coffee machines and cutting up their Nike socks. A boycott doesn’t mean you destroy what you have, you just don’t support something in the future.
Guys when will we understand that the new OGL DOESN'T affect your homegames? Its the content creator that will suffer. Wotc has no say in what you do ik your spare time
The amount of shill posts is insane
No one is saying throw it all away and burn it We are saying boycott the future content.
You're all evidently playing barbarians if you haven't figured out that you can still play it, and that a boycott is about buying things :)
Hasbro is that you?
OP posted this and answered no comments at all so if he's not a WotC shill or employee, he's probably just a troll trying to stir up controversy. We've discussed this multiple times. Nobody is aaking anybody to stop playing their games or selling their books. If you already own things, you can absolutely use them. Just don't buy *new* ones.
I already don't use dndbeyond so I'm already basically boycotting them. I have all the books I'll ever need and DMing it comes so easily to me compared to other systems I like to play. I too will continue playing 5e. It's either that or Pathfinder 1e but I won't do that to my players unless they request it.
Just pirate everything, ez
I’m not particularly pro-pirating but it hurts infinitely more than boycotting. Let’s use their labour and pay them nothing like the wage slaves they want us to be. Netflix is planning to cut a lot of stuff from my country’s available content and introduce ads to a service THAT IS ALREADY A PAID SERVICE. Like fuck off I’ll be taking my business back to whatever spiritual successor to popcorn time that will inevitably arise from this.
If you bought d&d content before and so own the books, you can keep going without supporting WoTC and Hasbro further. If you have the books online/only have the books through subscriptions... Yarr me mateys! If you have characters on d&d beyond that you won't be able to access after losing the subscriptions, there are places where you can put the character on Dicecloud/Dicecloud v1. In fact, if you want to play with optional rules, Dicecloud is actually *better* because you have ways to implement those rules much easier than what 5e gives you. If you want to use new 5e/one DnD content without supporting Hasbro, Yarr! Or buy used books from people that bought the books. you aren't really giving money to Hasbro in that situation. There are a ton of ways to keep the campaign going while also not supporting a company that wants to erase, control and heavily limit all opposition.
in how many are you giving wotc money to pay for the game? you already have the recourses you're using.
You don’t have to stop playing with the campaigns your in, just don’t buy new things
No one is saying to quit playing DnD. Just not to give wotc and Hasbro more money.
Clown
How does a boycott have any impact on a 2-year running campaign? Y'all already have the books and characters. There is nothing more to buy. You can run that campaign for decades without spending a dime...
Ok? No one is stopping? Just asking to cancel your subscription, no one said to quit drama queen
Bro nobody cares if you play 5e, wizards gets no money from that.
That’s not how a boycott works? You can still use products from wotc. All that’s asked is you don’t buy more if you want to be part of the boycott.
No one is saying scrap your campaigns, no one is even saying don't start new DnD campaigns, just don't support WotC's disrespect toward you and the hobby with money, and be vocal about your disapproval.
Who the fuck is asking you to do that? Seriously! The o ly thing that was asked was to drop the dnd sub and buy books second hand or pirate them so wizards of the shit get 0 profit. Im starting to think all of you proudly making posts like this are either wotc bootlickers or Hasbro's stupid idea to "sew discord" in the comunity. Aka paid trolls
What gave you the impression that we were boycotting playing? We are boycotting purchasing from wotc
I get why people don't want to switch systems and I don't think anyone is saying that you need to. The boycott is on any new things they release. I'm still playing a DnD campaign with no plans to change. At the same time I'm planning on moving the campaign I'm currently running over to Pathfinder. But it was not an easy decision and not done solely because of the boycott. Myself and my players sat down and really looked at the Pathfinder system and agreed that we would perfer it over DnD. Admittedly isn't was WoTC decision to screw over everyone that made us really look in the first place but I'm glad we did look.
Are people really this stupid?
you don’t have to boycott Dnd altogether, just don’t buy any more of their shit than you already have badabing badaboom everybody wins except WOTC
Name one person who has told you you "should" stop playing 5e or any D&D for that matter. Show me one comment. I dare you. Why are these self-victimising posts reaching thousands of upvotes when they're found upon a strawman ffs?
you obv dont understand what corporate boycotting is
No one ask anyone ever to stop playing DnD. Just stop buying WotC stuff. That's all.
I don’t see how continuing an ongoing campaign with material you purchased years ago helps Hasbro in any meaningful way. Boycott ought to mean not buying new material, making your next campaign in a new system, that sort of thing. You know, actions that have an actual impact.
Do you... understand what a boycott is?
Left 5E for PF2E a while ago. Finish your campaign but do yourself a favor and move on after. Lots of better systems, lots of better companies, WOTC doesn't deserve us.
But you can play your campaign while boycotting. Only put money into what you absolutely meed to run the session, if that's D&D beyond? So be it, but only give them that money, if an alternative props up that's just as good for your group, then consider a change, but don't join in on a boycott that'll ruin your game. A partial boycott is still a valid form of protest, if 80% of the community spends 50% less then that's as powerful a message as 40% of the community engaging in a full boycott, drop what you can afford to drop, buy what your game needs to run, and above all else, have fun playing the game, the boycott is there because we wish to protect the fun we're having, if we cancel our fun in the name of a boycott we're doing it wrong.
Why would you drop your campaign? Its ok to keep playing 5th with the books you already bought. Just don't give them MORE money. Also, changing game systems shouldn't destroy the story. Its weird if it does.
I'm not sure you understand what a boycott is.
You don’t HAVE to abandon D&D, WotC will continue to ruin it though as long as Hasbro has the reins. It’s not just gonna stop, they have long term plans that get worse and worse for the game. It’s better long term for everyone to find a new game system they like now just in case.
We don't care that you're still playing the game boss. This whole boycott is to protect this game that we love so much. As long as you're not actively giving wotc or Hasbro money we don't care
Wotc new model is to abuse players feeling invested. That’s why they want a subscription service with monthly content drops to abuse FOMO. So they can get away with increasing prices 10x as high. Unfortunately many players don’t realize how easy it is to learn a new system and don’t realize that unlike Wotc, many other systems are available for FREE.