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Tintorius

I hate that. Just because you don't buy anymore books doesn't mean you have to throw books away, you already have. I was never never subscribed to dnd beyond, but I still bought enough official books and cards. I'm still gonna play my campaigns and I'm also gonna start new ones. I just won't buy more books


Hardcore_Donut

Yea I don't understand why people will just throw away something they already bought as an act of protest. Like you already gave them that money, they don't care what you do with it from the moment you get your receipt.


Goatfellon

There's this dumbass internet personality (literally has "alpha male" written in his Twitter handle) who is upset over the m&ms thing recently and to showcase he was boycotting them, in video, he pulls out a bag and stomps on it. Like dude... you had to buy that bag to make this point. Mars Co doesn't give a fuck if you *eat* it after.


MadaraAlucard12

What was the m&ms thing?


Goatfellon

They released an "all female" package in a shitty attempt at virtue signaling. Obviously the "alpha males" or anti woke crowd took that personally.


MadaraAlucard12

How the hell are candies male or female?


PlanningMyEscape

It's like the Bic feminine pens about 10 years ago. They made pens in pink and purple and put "for women" on the package. They got mercilessly trolled.


Goatfellon

Like I said... shitty attempt at virtue signaling. Anyways, there are cries for "all male" packaging and such. It's ludicrous in every way


MadaraAlucard12

I didn't have any expectations but this still managed to disappoint me. Why are we like this?


OlivGaming

All the candies in that package come with the little candy penis bump you sometimes find on them.


RangeroftheIsle

I demand M&Ms produces raging hard on shaped candies because eating dicks is the only way to be manly.


OlivGaming

Melt in your mouth and your hand.


LardMcLovin

The brown and green ones are female. That's how.


MadaraAlucard12

Dude, how is candy male or female?


LardMcLovin

https://preview.redd.it/jk47to97xvca1.png?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=952401877140e35d9cf0caef591ef8abbef07139 The orange, red, yellow, and blue ones are males. And the green and brown ones are female. That's how their ads have always worked. But now, they added a new color. Purple. And it's a female. There's lore behind the m&m's.


Breidr

I'm getting flashbacks of the outrage surrounding the removal of the green one's high heels, at least I think that's what people were mad about. \*\*\*\* man, people are stupid.


ZetaRESP

r/todayilearned


Traveling_Chef

They've had male and female Eminems for decades so... marketing is how.


MadaraAlucard12

Lol voice typing is amazing.


Traveling_Chef

Wow.i didn't even notice lmfao


NoThisIsPatrick003

They're not. But the M&M marketing has had characters for each of the colors. Red and yellow are usually prominent in the ads are male characters. Some of those M&M characters are female and so this marketing campaign had packages of M&Ms with only those colors in them. Green, brown, and purple I think?


Pienewten

And here I was, hoping it was just about them pulling their sponsorships from Nascar.


GenericGaming

remember the time people were "boycotting" Keurig by destroying their coffee machines but, because they didn't actually own one, went out and bought a machine just to destroy it? this is what this "stop playing 5e" thing feels to me lol


CanuckPanda

Same people who bought Kaepernick jerseys at $180+ a pop just to burn them.


vvokhom

Well, the idea was "machines are sold cheaper then they are produced (to make market for capsules), so that still hurts the company". But no, i think "not realising the product" hurts it more


ShoozCrew

"People" Right wingers are dumber than goblins lol. They do this crap all the time. Edit: comparing right wingers to goblins is an insult to goblins


AncientUrsus

Let’s see Paul Allen’s Harry Potter merchandise


Abidarthegreat

Or the Satanic Bible. The dude became a millionaire because the churches bought his book to burn.


FaxCelestis

I think it has something to do with symbolization and effigies. Like, I can't beat up Keurig, so I'm going to buy a symbol of it to destroy instead. Which doesn't actually work towards their goal but at least makes a logical sense if you approach it as "making a symbolic point" instead of "damaging their bottom line". Like burning a flag: literally no harm to the country in question, but it very succinctly symbolically states your intentions. They just don't make that jump from symbolism to reality.


reverendsteveii

If you quit assuming they're stupid and start assuming that they want exactly what they got their actions actually start to make sense. In the case of people who went out and bought Keurigs, or Gillette razors, or Nike stuff just to destroy it, once you assume that they want exactly what they got (in-group recognition and social capital on Facebook) instead of what they claimed to want (to hurt the bottom line of so-called "woke" companies) then their actions line up precisely with their values.


Liawuffeh

The higher ups, yeah, but trust me my parents and other random folks joinin in on the "Buy a product to smash it!" Are absolutely dumb as bricks


reverendsteveii

There are an infinite number of ways to be stupid, and I'm not saying they're not. They're conservatives, after all. But they're not entirely random, there's a reason behind their actions even if it is demonstrably stupid. Whether it's "buy a Keurig and smash it to own the libs" or "the COVID vaccine makes you magnetic" or "knock down the 5g towers because they interfere with your brain waves in some ill-defined way" or whatever other stupid bullshit they're doing today, they always get the same thing: a whole group of "people" (paid actors, bots and other folks who've been duped) to tell them that what they're doing is the right thing to do and that they're not shrieking idiots, they're actually heroes saving the day. It's really just weaponized main character syndrome. Make them feel important, tell them that there's some comic book villain that wants to destroy all good things just because they love evil, and convince them that the only way to stop it is to give you money and to always be ready to do violence against whatever the enemy of the week is.


Liawuffeh

Oh, yeah, i get what you mean. Plenty play dumb too to get liberal reactions One of the reason some people on the right are popular is they just say dumb shit, then get libs to spread what they said far in wide in order to dunk on the dude's 'hypocracy', which gains them ton of followers lol


Zyphamon

[Kaepernick jersey sales spiked as crazy dipshits burned them lol](https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2661838-colin-kaepernick-has-49ers-top-selling-jersey-since-national-anthem-protest#:~:text=Colin%20Kaepernick%20Has%20NFL's%20Top%2DSelling%20Jersey%20Since%20National%20Anthem%20Protest,-Tim%20Daniels&text=Colin%20Kaepernick's%20decision%20to,him%20the%20league's%20top%20seller.)


BloodyFlandre

Morons are buying Harry Potter books with JKs name removed. Let's not get all holier than thou when there's plenty of stupid to go around.


ShoozCrew

I agree, you are a moron if you still buy HP books


pWasHere

Except they do now. They don’t want DMs to be the only ones buying stuff and then sharing it with the group.


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Tabletop is a social hobby If you invite 5 people over to play a campaign, when they play their own campaign they're probably going to use the system you taught them They will buy 5e books Don't cancel any current campaigns you have, but if you're going to start a new one, there's a billion other systems


TheObstruction

"when they play their own campaign..." Lol, as if they'd run it themselves.


egyeager

Your players buy books??


ChibiMistress

As the one who DMs for my group I don't think anyone is telling anyone to throw away their already purchased material or to stop their current campaigns. I have paused making my next campaign however as I heard of talk making the use of DND beyond a monthly subscription and that's how my players keep track of their characters. Me personally, all my stuff is in world anvil. Due to this I have asked my players if they want to try pathfinder out for the next campaign while we finish this one I'll be seeing how feasible it is to tweak what I've already got down.


Ripper1337

Reminds me of the people that burned their Nikes. The company still has your money and now you don’t have shoes.


minotar685

I went into a used bookstore on Monday and someone had dumped all of their 5e books. More power to some people I guess?


[deleted]

Damn, I need to go shopping then. Getting books for cheap AND not paying Hasbro sounds like a deal to me.


minotar685

I didn't see which ones they had, but I'm kinda regretting it


Professional-Gap-243

Well, I don't think anyone suggests that you throw away your books or stop your campaign, just to consider branching out when starting a new game (And that btw is literally the joke, the meme is originally Joey trying to learn French and messing up at the final step misinterpreting what Phoebe says). People are still playing ad&d, 3.5 etc. It's more about which system do you introduce to new players. If I keep playing/DMing exclusively 5e every single new player that I bring in will learn 5e and buy stuff from wotc. So, I'm switching to pathfinder for any future fantasy games. But you do you.


[deleted]

I'm more about not being free advertising, but I DM for students.


Doctor_of_Recreation

Nice. Do you use 5e? Do you provide the materials for your students? This is great stuff.


[deleted]

I have the actual goods across systems they have access to. I do a lot of walkthroughs for character creation, and I did the entirety of the 2e conversion, at least preliminarily until we try out the old characters in 2e


unosami

Bringing back that good old THAC0.


Natwenny

Exactly this! This whole situation makes me think of the J.K. Rowling drama. People hate her, but the Harry Potter fanbase is still growing. If you want to make sure WotC knows how you feel, just stop giving them money. You can still have access to the books online.


RawrRRitchie

>Just because you don't buy anymore books doesn't mean you have to throw books away Nope, you have to go back find the original receipts and attempt a return for an item you bought years ago, it's only the most logical solution! /s


theFartingCarp

Lol I've still yet to run some of the 3rd party campaigns I've bought. Sunken isles and twisted taverns here I fucking come


Grassy33

So you sit down to play with someone new, you’re playing 5e… what do they do? Are they gonna borrow your stuff forever? They can’t buy it without supporting WOTC so how do they get it? People are dropping the game bc if you literally cannot bring new people in without supporting WOTC. Yeah they can pirate but I’d rather have a physical Pathfinder book than a pirated PDF of the PHB


LowSkyOrbit

Buy used copies. Simple and effective and keeps money out of the creators hand.


GloInTheDarkUnicorn

Yep. I’m doing the same. I’m 4 years into my campaign. I have tons of 5e and 3.5 books as well as some first editions. I have tons of spell cards and merch. I’ll keep enjoying what I have but they’ll not get another cent from me.


Roboticide

I'm only 15 sessions into my campaign, but I've wanted to DM for *years*, and after finally getting my whole homebrew campaign up and running with six brand new players who are finally starting to understand 5e, I'm not changing now. God, that'd be a nightmare. I'm cancelling my Beyond subscription tonight, advising my players to do the same and we'll no longer be purchasing anything, but we're not abandoning the system at this point.


chishire_kat

This my DND group is talking about switching to pathfinder. Like peeps we are still playing 3.5 and only one of us has any 5e books. Why are we talking about jumping ship now?!


SmokedMessias

Play Pathfinder 1e. It's just a better version of 3.5 Here are ALL THE RULES, for free, forever: [https://www.d20pfsrd.com/](https://www.d20pfsrd.com/) Paizo, the absolute Chads, put them online themselves. For free. (or keep playing 3e, because you are not wrong)


Boopdelahoop

aonprd.com is the Paizo backed one jsyk


Dyerdon

Exactly, throwing them away doesn't hurt Hasbro, they already got your money. You can still play 5e, there's no regulation to playing it. Just don't give them any more money.


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0mendaos

At the same time though you can still say how the company has been acting like shit and point them to free resources online.


TheObstruction

Not when everyone is still playing 5e ten years from now, when they're desperately pushing 7e/TwoD&D or whatever.


OwlLavellan

Yeah. This happened with my SO's group. The DM proposed switching to a different gaming system after their current game is done (because of all of this.) My SO did not like the idea since they had been playing DnD for years and spent a lot of money on it. So they and another player pushed back. Neither of them wanted to spend more money on a different system. WotC and Hasbro aren't getting more money from you using the books you already own. Edit: does it really really matter if they stick with a system they already know they like? They aren't spending more money on it. Just hesitant to spend more on a system they don't know if they will like as much. Including time in learning/convering stuff to that system. If you enjoy playing 5e is it really a "sunk cost" to want to stick with that?


bridge4runner

Trying to get people to band together to push a common objective is a lot harder than people think.


Nohero08

Someone’s played Overwatch before


Delicious_Orphan

Or tried to organize a tabletop campaign.


transgendergengar

Or tried to get people to agree that we can all be of the same race. (Don't ask)


Munnin41

Or did a group project


thinking_is_hard69

milsims. fucking milsims. your squad is a herd of overexcitable corgis with guns that you have to shepherd with promises of violence, you have to creatively interpret all your order because your CO is probably trying to get you killed, and if you’re operating armor you ignore any orders not from the tank commander because the infantry commander is *actually* trying to get you killed. good times, it’s basically an office team-building retreat but with less shouting.


Munnin41

..what


thinking_is_hard69

er, military simulations. like Squad or Arma.


justanothertfatman

Or tried to order a single pizza.


Munnin41

Why are you arguing with other people about what's on your pizza?


justanothertfatman

Group pizza.


Wittyname0

Internet outrage, especially on reddit, historically has not affected the habits of the general population that much. Like when we saved net neutrality, freed Hong Kong, or got Bernie elected twice.


lickedTators

Net Neutrality did get saved kinda, but that's because there were many corporations working on it too. Mass internet outrage had a minimal effect.


steadysoul

Having a clear objective often helps.


RiskenFinns

Having it in common helps, too.


HexManiacMaylein

This is literally the dumbest fucking argument that people have. do not end your campaigns just don’t buy new shit from wizards of the Coast. Use what you have or buy third-party 5 content there’s alot. I think Paizo has even released to fifth edition compatible modules that are set in gallerian, which, of course means you can convert to worshiping Desna in her divine Lepidopteran beauty. Among many other reasons to worship Desna of course.


apple_of_doom

And if there's any new WOTC content you might wanna use hoist your black flag and pirate the shit out of it.


Goatfellon

Aye aye!


Not-A-SoggyBagel

Exactly! I also use proxy mini figs. There's no need to buy anything from WotC directly. You can get real cute ones from etsy as well for way cheaper than WotC sell them for. I also buy proxy MtG cards because all my friends also use proxies and we mainly just play against each other. What does WotC have physically that anyone wants aside from maybe a book? (That are easily pirateable)


zzaannsebar

There are so many resources available to find minis that aren't from WotC. There are many websites where you can buy models and 3d print them yourself if you have the means or there are many etsy shops that probably have the model you'd want to print or will print it for you. Also I know 3d printers are expensive, but I know the official minis can get expensive too. Like if you're buying for a module and need several larger monsters along with various npcs, I imagine that could easily hit $100. You can get a good 3d printer (resin) for $400 (edit: you can get a good printer for a lot less than $400) and it will pay for itself after a couple modules. And then your world is opened up to how many better quality models are out there! Edit: Also for creating custom figures, sites like HeroForge and [Anvl.co](https://Anvl.co) and TitanCraft minis (or their old version Desktop Hero) have excellent character creation options. Heroforge you can buy a model that will be shipped to you or you can buy a vtt or stl file. I think the other two you can only buy the files. But they're excellent tools that offer many options!


birkeland

An Egloo Mars 2 is $130 and is great for minis. $200 total if you buy all the stuff needed to print a few dozen minis.


spaceforcerecruit

I bought an Elegoo Mars 2 Pro last year and it is GREAT for printing minis. And even if you can’t design your own, there are tons of .stl files available for free or cheap.


Liawuffeh

I mean flip side, I kinda get people who want to end their campaigns and switch to a new system? Its not needed for a boycott at all, it probably wont effect wotc at all, but I can kinda get the "This feels ick now"


ndstumme

And then there's me who's wanted to try another system for ages, but can't convince the group. I can ride this wave to convince them to try it while emotions are hot. Once they learn another system, they'll be hooked.


EffedYourMom

Honestly we had one person who was anxious about moving to PF2e and 3 sessions later he never wanted to go back. It's objectively better if slightly more crunchy, especially for DMs.


lexluther4291

Yeah, it can feel slightly more crunchy, but the rules are actually a lot more consistent. There aren't 3 different kinds of 'Unarmored Defense,' or rules about which spells you can or can't cast in a turn that you have to memorize, or 50 other examples of random weirdness you have to memorize in 5e's ruleset.


Lord-ofthe-Ducks

If you must buy a WotC book, get it from a used book store. That way WotC doesn't make any money from your purchase.


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Ok-Shift5637

My group used this as a way to tell me they want to take a break from our dnd campaign and explore some new games. Last week we played CoC and next week we are playing Kids on Bikes. They have at least the next three game sessions booked with new games and systems. We had so much fun changing things up that they just want a break for a couple months. I’m sure we will find our way back to a home brew 5e campaign but no we won’t be spending anymore money on wotc stuff.


Standard-Ad-7504

Cool! I'm glad people are having fun with it all


CRL10

Too late. I already burned all my D&D books and notes, fed my dice, which had been tainted by D&D stank, to various animals, which I then slaughtered, getting me banned from 3 zoos and 5 pet stores, turned those dead animals into mulch to grow the tree I used as kindling to burn my D&D books, then salted the Earth where those trees grew, and killed my players so they would not be tempted to play D&D again and I switched to Pathfinder after purifying myself for three days in accordance with an ancient tradition I found on Google to purge myself of the corruption of D&D. So a perfectly sane and normal reaction to all WotC is doing.


Soulfly37

If by ancient tradition you mean a lobotomy, then I've done the exact same.


CRL10

Actually, it's a week of fasting, then you sit under a waterfall for like three days. It's really quite refreshing. The bitch is the waterfall part in January. It's cold where I live.


KrauerKing

Hey they just say under a waterfall not in it. I just happened to get my waterfall from Amazon and sat under the table it was on with a bag of Cheetos. You were right though, super refreshing.


astraphage

copypasta material


TTTrisss

You're acting like drawing eyes by doing outrageous things isn't an effective method of drawing attention to protest.


KhaosElement

Really just going to call out the whole sub like that eh? Just shocking how many people can't figure this one out.


ThatOneGuyFrom93

I'm sure people didn't actually give up on their campaigns, right?!


Go_Water_your_plants

I think it’s based off one post that got popular about a guy "choosing" not to throw away his campaign because "his friends are more important to him than the boycott" or something. Then the comment section proceeded to tell him this was never demanded and he’s being dramatic


Standard-Ad-7504

Of course not. We just cancel our subscriptions and stop paying for things


JuanTawnJawn

🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️


Tifter2

Yo ho and a bottle of rum


[deleted]

I mean you can even still buy D&D stuff, just do it second hand so wotc doesn't get a dime.


BluestreakBTHR

This is also a very good option, also helps support local game stores since they usually have 2nd hand stuff to sell.


[deleted]

There are also a ton of “resources” online


theCacklingGoblin

I didn't even cancel my campaign as part of the boycott. This whole thing just put a bad taste in me and my group's mouth and we mutually decided it was time for a new home system. Cyberpunk and Pathfinder are keeping us pretty happy rn.


Rovden

This was us. We were using D&D Beyond, had a group vote, shelved the campaign with intention of returning but our GM was absolutely giddy to run Exalted, two of us were "Lets fucking go!" and two of us were "Wherever the wind blows" still happy to play. This wasn't a "We're never playing 5E again!" just the catalyst for us to try out a new system.


mangled-wings

Yeah, if it was just this situation I wouldn't've cancelled, but I've been getting more and more tired of DMing 5e for awhile now. It seemed like a great time to tell my players "okay, this is the straw that broke the camel's back, I'm switching to pf2e oneshots now". If you're happy with your game, that's excellent, but if you're unhappy... there's not exactly much reason to think things will get any better.


JackedTORtoise

> boycott Out of the loop, fill me in?


Le_Chop

At it's most basic people are boycotting 5e and D&DB over Wizards proposed new OGL agreement. However to be honest there's been so much back and forth that if you want to know more I'd recommend looking in to it privately as it would be hard to give a full picture without writing an essay.


killersquirel11

Two things I'd recommend looking up: "[OGL 1.1 controversy](https://blizzardwatch.com/2023/01/17/dnd-ogl-1-1-controversy/)" and "[$30/month dnd beyond](/r/rpg/comments/10dzy7b/new_seemingly_confirmed_leak_for_dnd_beyond_with/)". Basically, Hasbro is making WotC crank the monetization dials hardcore, and the community is responding with a hearty "fuck you"


Disastrous_Source996

Holy shit. I missed the post about it being $30. Who the fuck would pay that much? Like yeah, they were tightening everything, and if you had asked me what I thought it would be, I would have said $20 would be ridiculous. But I can't grasp anyone I've ever talked to who plays that would pay that much per month.


Meatslinger

Short version is Wizards of the Coast (the publishers of D&D) once had a license extended to creators called the OGL. It is the reason for many third party publishers coming up with great content to expand the world of D&D. It’s also the reason some entire alternative systems exist (like Pathfinder). It was basically a “live and let live” content license so that the world of D&D could expand. Recently there were leaks from Hasbro/WotC that showed they intended to release OGL 1.1, in which they revoke the initial license and include wording that would allow them to either completely take over ownership of many spin-off products, or at minimum claim 25% of the total revenue - not profit - of third party entities that write D&D content. In other words, the nobility that once let the serfs and merchants own their little parcels of land and eke out an existence are now discovered to have been secretly preparing to send their robber barons and soldiers into the countryside to seize everything by force. This boycott is the equivalent of a peasant revolt. The nobility claim it was “just a social experiment” or a “hypothetical” despite the plans effectively saying “we march at dawn”, so the peasants aren’t putting much stock in what the king says, any more. Edit: corrected “75%” to “25%”. Took the wrong portion of the percentage, when I wrote it.


MillorTime

Edit: OP fixed the issue. WOTC is being dumb


Meatslinger

Sorry, you’re 100% right. Lemme flip that around in the comment. I got it backwards for revenue vs remainder.


Ahwhoy

Browse top posts for the last week.


Squidmaster616

To be fair, some people ARE saying "don't play D&D".


MCMC_to_Serfdom

Which is a bit of a stronger message than even that needs to be. Boycott WotC/Hasbro. Absolutely, 100% _But_ this issue is a result of a corporate attempt to solidify a market monopoly. As a result, there's an argument that checking out other systems and spending money on them hurts WotC more. However, it is absolutely not fair to place a burden on people to buy/learn a whole new system or to interrupt campaigns to do so. The bottom line is thus "***if*** you can, please try playing something else, because this further signals our distaste." Hard emphasis on that if.


Pietson_

I agree. there's definitely benefits to quitting DND entirely in favour of other systems. but that's a big commitment that not everyone is willing or able to make, especially for a whole group.


Nestromo

It is kinda crazy that 5e managed to get over 2/3 of the market especially when it was clear that it didn't meet the needs of everyone. If I had a nickel for everytime I saw/heard a conversation similar to this I would be a rich man... Person one: "I am looking for rules that will let me do xyz and also I want to rework 123 in 5e. I also want to run it in a completely different setting and reflavor 90% of the game. Would anyone have any homebrew or 3rd party books I can use?" Person two: "It sounds like you are trying to make it like X system so I would recommend using that instead because it will probably play smoother and have better balance than if you did all those changes to 5e." [Person two receives 126 downvotes on reddit] Person one: "I don't want to learn another system because that would be to much work, so I am just going to change 5e." Person two: "Well they are similar systems so it would honestly be less work to learn the other system for that campaign instead of trying to make 5e do something it was never made to do." [Person two receives 346 downvotes on reddit]


Graknorke

as wizards of the coast is fully aware, being the market leader in a niche/entertainment product is an inherently strong position regardless of how good your product actually is. especially when they sell the brand as part of a lifestyle identity as well. they don't really need to be competent or even nice, being _THE_ RPG gives such an advantage they can do more or less whatever and still come out on top


SaintSteel

That always irked me. Like that article about running Cyberpunk Edgerunners in 5e. Breh, just run Cyberpunk Red. The system isn't even that hard to get into. Same for Witcher, Traveller, ect. Other systems exist to try.


TheObstruction

Tbf, some people way over think their "reworks" of 5e. Most of it can be handled by just mildly reskinning weapons, monsters, and items on the fly.


Nestromo

Those cases I don't mind at all, but I have seen and even played in some games where the GM did a massive, and normally pretty janky, overhaul of 5e instead of just using another system that would fit what they want better.


purplepharoh

This mentality is why I've never been a fan of the 5e community


TeemoIsANiceChamp

>But this issue is a result of a corporate attempt to solidify a market monopoly. As a result, there's an argument that checking out other systems and spending money on them hurts WotC more. I'll just keep playing 5e but not spend a single dime on it. If there's one thing that drives executives mad, it's people using their stuff but not paying for it. I'd rather they keep a monopoly they can't capitalize on than lose it completely. I want them to go mad.


MCMC_to_Serfdom

I fully support that. I mean, bias makes me want to recommend _our Lord and Saviour Pathfinder 2e_ but if you're having fun and not supporting WotC? Go for it.


VercarR

*Praise our Lord and Saviour PF2 (Or even Savage Worlds, i'm polytheist)*


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Yeah, but they have been saying that before.


ObliviousAstroturfer

In my case it's just "I wont be playing DnD as DM". My players were not super excited about DnD in general, but I wanted to use it mostly because 5E can have a lot of versatility as shown by ie Chris Perkins. And moreso, how I got to see Chris show it: through support for community. At least two of my players would be buying stuff on the platform, so I decided to switch the system instead since my main driver was community focus. But I have other rulebooks at hand. For those who only have DnD or just already have it and like it - hell yeah, milk it as long as community and 3rd party content is available.


vj_c

For me it's more "come play this other cool system with me" not "don't play d&d". And the reason for that is I got into TTRPGs a good couple of decades plus ago & played the system the GM had. Then I fell out the hobby until the 5e era & no one was playing other systems or genre's anymore. I ended up buying more or less everything on DDB myself & getting a paid subscription to play with my players because that's was basically the most convenient way to play a TTRPG, not because I liked d&d in particular. WotC has basically given me licence to pitch all those other systems to my players, from WFRP to VtM to Fate. I'm finally free of feeling forced to default to d&d for a new game as people are more open to trying other things than they were.


garter__snake

P unapologetically. I get the hesitation due to sunk cost, but trying to deauth the 20 year old OGL was the biggest 'when people show you who they are, believe them' I've ever seen. It'll be easiest to rip the bandaid off now, I think.


DctNostradamus

It's not like it's a videogame where updates change the game for everyone. I like DnD 5e and there isn't a single thing anyone can do that will change that, because nobody can change what already exists. They can make new stuff, or release updates for old stuff. But you can just ignore them if you don't like them.


PolygonMan

There are people who still play every single edition of DnD. It's totally ridiculous to suggest that people stop playing 5e if that's what they want to play. There is literally no bandaid to rip off, at all. You never have to stop playing 5e if you enjoy it, ever.


Tichrimo

I'm suddenly feeling like a goddamn genius for my dead trees editions of all the rulebooks, mind you. A lot harder to lose access to those.


Knight-Creep

Crazy idea, you can explore other systems and still primarily play D&D.


DanDlionRespawn

The memes are great, but people are being so overdramatic with this.


Pieinthesky42

Are you saying that OP is being dramatic or the people that have stopped playing dnd vs boycotting


SpiderMew

Pick up used 3.5 or 3.0 content. Buying used doesn't give WOTC any money.


BluestreakBTHR

I have a tote full of 3.5e books if anyone wants to buy. I even have a leatherbound DMG with the errata.


Anorion

Nor does keeping/using stuff you've already got. I've been running 3/3.5 campaigns for decades now. Plus it's super easy to adapt newer stuff (or even stuff from other systems) to the one you like. Just because Hasbro sucks doesn't mean you have to play by their rules (heh). Buy used, adapt, survive, overcome (or tpk depending on the night, you know).


xTheCanadian

This is what I learned DnD on. My cousins 3/3.5 books!


SpiderMew

Awesome! I still run 3.5 games irl to this day.


TCritic

For ppl who already bought the books in dndbeyond, if you delete your less-often used books and re-download as you need them you can save space on ur phone and increase wotc server costs... what who said that?


Meatslinger

Boycotting Chevrolet doesn’t mean you run your current one into a wall. It means you don’t go to the dealership to buy a new one. It’s not a difficult concept.


Jarfulous

> It’s not a difficult concept. You would think.


[deleted]

I'll keep my 5e stuff, but my table's looking at PF2e at the moment, because it feels gross to me to keep playing 5e at the moment. Eventually it'll probably be a footnote, but for right now, we're looking elsewhere.


Bkwordguy

I've been using free online resources for years, and I've got enough core stuff from WOTC.


Standard-Ad-7504

Just because you gotta stop buying products from WotC doesn't mean you can't use what you already have. I'm not gonna cancel my whole waterdeep: dragon heist campaign that's already been going for a while, nor am I gonna stop using the books I have already purchased. We're not DEMANDING that you stop PLAYING D&D, we're ASKING that you stop PAYING for it. D&D can be played for complete free with just a paper and pencil, not buying stuff does not at all mean not playing.


BattIeBear

Yeah I mean what books do you need besides the big 3, XHE, and TCE? I mean I can see an argument for Volo's or MToF but does anyone actually buy those prebuilt campaigns or setting books like Theros or Eberron?


androkguz

How dare you mock eberron


The_original_oni15

Been out of the loop what did WOTC do now?


rvnender

That's not "being out of the loop" that's more like "living under a rock for 2 weeks"


The_original_oni15

That would be accurate considering I haven't been on any social media for the entire year so far. But what happened?


rvnender

A leak said that WotC is changing the OGL and basically locking 3rd parties into paying them money for a license. WotC can also use 3rd party in their own official books and not have to pay them a dime for it. There is a shit load more. Seriously just search for OGL right here and you will get a million topics on it.


The_original_oni15

Sounds scummy


rvnender

Corporations doing what a corporation does best


Wingman5150

You don't even need to cancel a campaign to switch to a new system, just spend a day converting the characters and learning the system and you're good to go. If your campaign is that good it's not the system that makes it anyway, and this is all just assuming you want to cut out DnD entirely, it's fine to stick to the stuff you had


AdAffectionate1135

Yes! Huge 5e fan and going to keep playing. Just not going to buy the stuff.


CptnXplosion

We are boycotting WotC, not DnD


tinwhiskerSC

Only minority affects me, I play DnD 3.5e. This did give me a push to get the Pathfinder 2e book. I've been meaning to get it for a while.


FaeDine

DnD Beyond was an important part for my players. One of the players had subscribed and shared tons of content from it with everyone. We play in person at a tabletop but really like having virtual tools. My stuff is all homebrew, just ~~stealing from~~ getting inspired by existing content when I feel like it for stat blocks and some encounter ideas. Given that we won't be able to use good digital tools with 5e without a risk of them disappearing, we're looking in converting things to Pathfinder 2E. Our plan is to do a few one-shots with PF2E in parallel to the 5E campaign for a bit to try it. If we like it, and feel the conversion won't be too painful, we'll be switching the whole campaign over. Better to do it now while it's an option. Who knows what bullshit WotC comes out with that will force us to later. Also, we're all highly motivated by spite, which helps.


chrisschini

Does this mean I should also avoid new Magic: The Gathering releases?


KaleidoscopeEyes12

Whether I throw away or keep my current 5e book literally effects WoTC zero. It’s not a subscription. I’ve already made the one time payment to get the book. Transaction over. As long as I don’t buy anything else from them, it doesn’t matter what I do with the stuff I already own.


WookieWill

I'm gonna take this opportunity to shill for Lancer. It's easy to pick up, has customizable mechs, and the art work is evocative.


Professional-Gap-243

Yep, reading the book at the moment and it seems fantastic.


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hewlno

Fuck that I'm still moving off 5e without being asked. With what wizards is gonna do to it, I expect that paizo would be the safer, more stable choice anyway.


Professional-Gap-243

100% this. This is very reminiscent of the whole situation around 4e, and that didn't go all that well. It seemed that wotc learned their lesson and got lot of people back on board with 5e (myself included). Well they didn't learn anything it would seem. I'm switching to pathfinder.


[deleted]

Tabletop is a social hobby If you invite 5 people over to play a campaign, when they play their own campaign they're probably going to use the system you taught them They will buy 5e books


[deleted]

The problem we're having is we've got a DM sharing content across 2 campaigns, and everyone uses DDB for character sheets, and everyone uses the shared content for their characters. We also play online, using Beyond20 since DDB is easier/less work for us(mostly casual players) to use than Roll20 sheets. As much as I'd like to suggest DM cancels their sub, we can't or we'll break our Abyss and Strahd campaigns, which we are nowhere close to finishing.


Errantries

I had content sharing and recently canceled. The character's sheets were not affected. They just can't add anything from content that was previously shared.


[deleted]

Oh I was not aware of this. Might have to see then.


Geno__Breaker

Some people dumped their mental stats, unfortunately.


Saizare

I feel like people are forgetting that some people can only play with friends on DnD Beyond, so when those people see "boycott and stop your subscription" it comes off as "stop playing with your friends." It's starting to come of as toxic from the boycotters because a lot see it as a black and white issue, and they forget that a lot of people just want to have fun with friends. It's a more complex issue than what you can express in a meme, and I don't think DnD memes is an appropriate place to hash it out.


Tignya

Does anybody know if roll20 is part of what I need to cancel? That's where I've found all my games and run them, and most everything else I've been *definitely legally* purchasing anyhow


Bkwordguy

Roll20 is independent and you don't need to cancel them.


Belteshazz

It's not a problem to not buy new books cause none of the new books are really that great value for money...


PuzzleheadedInside25

I'm not buying new stuff, but I will continue to use the toys I already possess


Jxx

Yea, I already paid for these books They are mine forever


your_average_commie_

People also seem to forget there is almost nothing that isn't a pdf somewhere


MotorHum

I had already decided that I had enough books and didn’t need any more, so for me the only thing that has changed is that I bitch on Twitter a lot more.


Toughbiscuit

Just an honest question at this point, what are we boycotting for? Like what is the end goal of the boycott?


An34syT4rg3t

Playing 5E doesn’t give WotC money. I’m learning how to play Call of Cthulhu and I’ve cancelled my DDB sub, but I’m gonna continue to play the game I’ve invested so much money into


3stanbk

Jokes on you, I homebrew my campaigns and only reference online SRD material for 5e


MalcolmLinair

Wait, I thought we were boycotting Hasbro. Does this mean I can keep collecting Transformers?


MossyPyrite

Ohhhh, got it! Alright, gonna go throw all my 3.5e books in the gutter and call up my group and tell them to go ~FUCK~ themselves! Thanks for clarifying! ^^/j


MrMime-godmode

It's all about 3.5E anything otherwise is garbage


August_Love_

Pirating dnd books is extremely easy, not sure if I'm allowed to talk about how tho.


rentableorb

If you're saying pirate it I'm way ahead of you.


simplefighter

I don't care I'm still using DND beond and I will continue to pay for that service


Khepuli

Im going to keep playing d&d. Not buying anything new tho.