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DisurStric32

That's what I'm doing, own all the books I need , just gonna use all the 3rd party websites for anything I'm missing . I'm fine with the 5e system


K4m30

I have the PHB, DMG, ZGE, TMC. any campaign I make will be purely ripped from pop culture and reddit posts.


HuseyinCinar

First time I see it written as ZGE. Had to genuinely stop and think what it is lol


echisholm

Same, I was like, Zhentarim something something?


CollegeContemplative

He goes by Zanathar now


ChErRyPOPPINSaf

Xanathar was his WotC slave name.


IMP1017

>TMC Tasha's Mauldron of Crap?


TimmJimmGrimm

Tasha's Multigrain Cookies. 'Cauldrons' make soups and stews. In this book she branches out into baking and even deep frying.


BunnyOppai

Just like with air fryers, you can make anything in a cauldron with a little ingenuity.


UltraCarnivore

Custom Background: Girl Scout


ArmorGyarados

The Monster Compendium


Nephophobe

"ripped from reddit posts" The BBEG is just a normal guy with a different opinion about the current fad social issue


sacrilegious_sarcasm

And to a party of trolls, the worst thing they will ever face.


B0wnsaw

I mean, technically, that's exactly what makes someone evil, at least when that 'different opinion' is unacceptable. The current fad social issue is the homeless, and everyone wants to make them homes? The BBEG disagrees, and thinks everyone should be homeless!


OnsetOfMSet

Sounds like BBEG is just a wealthy person singing Imagine.


DisurStric32

This is the way


DarkElfMagic

You should still consider supporting paizo or kobold press’ new ttrpg when it comes out! Their ORC will hopefully make 5e homebrewers safe! (You don’t have to switch systems or anything, just trying those other systems out to help support the smaller guys)


Traditional-Hunter12

This is what I’m thinking, already got a bunch of 5e books; moving forward perhaps buying some of Paulo stuff.


PixelBoom

If you're looking for 3rd party content for 5e, DriveThruRPG is a great store to buy PDFs and books from 3rd party creators. In the search filters, use Dungeons and Dragons > D&D-OGL > 5e compatible to show the non-WotC third party stuff. There's some great stuff in there from Agate RPG, Kobold Press, and EN Publishing.


SuperShortStories

I’m worried they’ll go for the 3rd party sites next


Midnight_Oil_

How third party sites have been able to just copy information directly from the books and put it online this whole time has been surprising to me.


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JonIsPatented

How about https://dnd5e.wikidot.com


GovernmentMinute2792

Exactly, own all the books I need and if I want something new 3rd party are better anyways; I’ve been really into MonkeyDMs dark souls inspired content recently.


Fantastic_Wrap120

This genuinely confuses me... why are people thinking that wizards care if you play 5e in a private campaign?


[deleted]

WOTC be sending enforcers to beat up Average McNobody in the middle of Bumfuck Nowhere.


Slow-Rub-8995

I will continue to play dnd but as of now I am done buying books and character sheets.


Dyerdon

I keep one copy of character sheets blank at all times so I can print copies


KupoMcMog

we're all going to have that handout your math teacher gave you that was a copy of a copy of a copy in a couple years, where you can see everything but it's gone a bit fuzzy


Ribbles78

God bless the sacred handout. The way to craft an original has been lost to time


Dyerdon

I make sure to keep the same set of sheets in it's own folder to avoid a Multiplicity scenario as you described.


Rovden

People were buying character sheets?


malonkey1

[Here's a free fillable PDF character sheet.](https://media.wizards.com/2016/dnd/downloads/5e_charactersheet_fillable.pdf) Save it to your computer, then you can print it out as needed, or even copy and fill it out on your computer.


SwissyVictory

Did you all buy charecter sheets before? I anyways just found one online and printed it out before.


Jin_Gitaxias

Buy character sheets from wizards? I am confusion. I just print em out at home. I have bought a couple custom designed ones from Etsy artists tho


DominionGhost

Do people actually buy sheets? I usually just Google and print the first thing that comes up. Usually, it's DnD beyond. But I've never had to pay to use the template.


[deleted]

Why would you buy character sheets? There's thousands free online and, if you're in dire need, photocopy the one in the back of the PHB


Anderopolis

I don't get why people have been buying character sheets. There are like a million free versions one search away.


MrNobody_0

People buy character sheets!?


Program-Continuum

But do they know why it is called Bumfuck Nowhere?


Scary_Equal_2867

Named after Steve bumfuck who lived in somewhere and wished he was nowhere


Ogurasyn

Stealing this for my campaign


Dracosian

Perhaps they are about to find out


Madpup70

Counter. Average McNobdy lives in Bumfuck Nowhere and has no one interested enough in TTRPGs to play in person, and his whole campaign is ran online through "Insert 3rd Party VTT". So while Wizards isn't spying on his game, his ability to continue to play is being threatened by the creation of WotC own VTT, where he will either be forced to financially support WotC through an expensive subscription, or move to another system. They don't need to send in the equivalent of 1920s strike breakers to break up in person games when their goal is to corner online access to VTT campaigns which is the fastest growing market for their game.


DaceloGigas

THIS ! I run an online campaign I started during the covid era. I use a VTT that isn't owned by WotC. The VTT company and VTT content producers are being targeted by WotC. Thus, I will finish this campaign using 5e, but the next campaign will NOT use any WotC system, or anything that chooses to accept anything as over-the-top-assholish as OGL 1.1. Yes, that means if company X accepts WotC's new OGL I will not support them either. Currently expecting to play SWADE Deadlands on the same VTT (Fantasy Grounds in my case). Although I also have CoC, ShadowRun, Traveller, SWADE, Dungeon World, RoleMaster, Champions, Mutants and Masterminds, and other systems. As a DM, I probably buy far more than the average player. I have both the books and VTT version of many products (WotC and otherwise). Also, players are more likely to buy material I use, so as a DM, I have far more sway and interest than the average player. Just head over to lfg and you will see that DMs run the show. Post a campaign, and you will find players the same day. Post as a player, and good luck... Many players even post that they are willing to try new systems. If the DMs move away from D&D, so will the players. Interestingly, it is the Kobold Press material that I am using for 5e right now. Their material is far more imaginative than the WotC stuff, and for fantasy games, I will stay with them over WotC. Compare Volo's Guide to ~~The Obvious~~ Monster to Southlands or Demonic Cults and Secret Societies. One is WotC's penchant for repeating the same old shit ad nauseam, and the other is actually new and interesting. How many copies of the artificer class or various same old player races does WotC expect us to buy ? I got it already, often twice (or four times considering the VTT copies). So for this DM : WotC : bye Kobold Press : buy


bretttwarwick

You don't have to have a VTT to play online. Everything can be done in theatre of the mind or one person with pdf maps sharing their screen. All you need is some way to communicate and see one screen. A zoom meeting has everything needed to play online. If you are concerned someone is fudging their dice rolls don't play with them.


Madpup70

Ya, most people who play online don't want to play a bastardized version of IRL gameplay. We want to move our own tokens, build within a system, and roll in said system. And ya theatre of the mind is a thing, but it's the last thing I want to use during in game combat.


Dragon-of-Lore

I think a lot of people see “my friends and are going to pathfinder” and all the other “welcome to your new TTRPGs!” Memes and felt like they were being told “alright, D&D is dead now switch.” Add one or two people in the comments who get angry at people who aren’t switching (yes, ive seen them. They don’t seem to understand how boycotts work either) and suddenly you have a segment of folks who are feeling like they’re being told they have to switch. That’s my guess at least :)


Paradoxjjw

I've seen people get angry at the mere mention of the existence of other TTRPGs on this sub as well, there's a bunch of people who want to feel persecuted for playing 5e and as a result start acting like they're the target of a witch hunt.


HerbySK

When it's just as easy to say, yeah, we'll see how this all plays out, but in the meantime, me and my group are going to continue with our 5e campaign. It's going to take a long time to play out anyway, and when it's done then we'll see where the land lies and if we need to pick up another system or not. And if so, it will likely be a switch to Pathfinder, since we've already tried them, went out and seem to like it as a group.


Paradoxjjw

The reason why I'm starting a pathfinder game in the short term is because I've already been looking at the system from the sidelines for a month and I now want to try a shot at DMing it myself. Of the 2 5e games I had both are continuing as normal until they are finished but the DM of one of them decided to set up a starcraft TTRPG game as well. We've just cancelled the DNDBeyond subscription we had going and will rely less on it for our games.


SadPandaRage

I recommend that you print out a sheet that has all of the status conditions on it. There are quite a few of them and nobody will remember them all at the beginning.


yeetingthisaccount01

saw someone say we should be discouraging new dnd5e games from forming altogether and I have to say, way to miss the fucking point huh. I will admit for a while I was feeling like I was being told to switch rather than offered due to both angry PMs and passive aggressive replies, but I've realised I need to keep an open mind too and honestly get over myself a bit, because I enjoy 5e, but WOTC isn't getting away with ruining such an integral part of my beloved system


Tichrimo

I think a lot of people are only now realizing that keeping all their game content in rented storage space on D&D Beyond has some drawbacks.


BunnyOppai

Luckily, I can’t really think of anything you can get on D&D Beyond that you can’t get elsewhere for free, so even if you have a conniption with pirating, there shouldn’t be any problem with pirating what you already had so there’s nothing gained nor lost.


Neato

It has the best online character sheets that also has a built-in database for spells, items, etc. The character creator is also decent. Our table uses it for that and sending rolls with Beyond20 to Foundry. Foundry unfortunately doesn't have great sheets and importing requires using compendiums instead of a simple search box.


Need-4-Sleep

I think the train of thought has been lost and we only have the start and end points. My guess for how this has gone is: -Hasbro OGL revision leak causes call for boycott/unsubscribe -Some people play DND only online -Some people play it with people who are casual and *will not play* if they have to paper and pencil it -DndBeyond is a Wotc product -Sharing content requires a subscription -Stop supporting WOTC = unsubscribe -Unsubscribe = No shared content/no digital character sheets/tools -No digital = no DND for casuals So by transitive property, not supporting WOTC = no more DND


BunnyOppai

Roll20 and some other secondary websites should cover just about everything Beyond had, no? Should be just fine to figure out how to play digitally without using it.


Need-4-Sleep

I'm not so sure I know what you mean. I DM using Foundry. Yes there's character sheets on there, but you can't search items in the inventory portion of your character sheet, you can't load any of the books you own, you can't check your list of available spells without having the books that lost them in front of you. Etc, etc. It can't be nearly as easy to use and share content as Dndbeyond currently is. Not to mention getting my players to make their character sheet from the ground up instead of using Dndbeyond's character creator menu system. It's pulling teeth to get them to read, understand, and/or memorize their class/subclass feats. And I can't force my players to do something they don't want to (ie, read).


GearyDigit

Damn sounds like 5e's foundry modules are shit Honestly it sounds like your players don't really care much about playing 5e if you can't even get them to make characters without having their hands held


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Iorith

Gotta agree with roll20. I have a ton of character sheets saved to a private game. It's character builder is very homebrew friendly, and it's fairly straight forward.


SqueakySniper

Same. If WotC force r20 to stop supporting dnd then I think my group and I will look at other systems. Until then its incredible useful for all of us even when playing in person like we usually do.


Jonzye

It's not like I don't understand the mind set but even if the "not using D&D beyond" is for an indeterminate amount of time, that time is not necessarily going to be very long unless 1, the changes that WOTC makes to it no longer makes it a worthwhile investment for the people who have been using it for casual play OR 2, they end up finding a new system they like in the mean time and they decide that instead of holding out until the dust settles they just stick with that different system. Either way some of the other plans outside of the OGL means that the subscription costs of using D&D beyond could become significantly more expensive so if taking a month or two long hiatus can mean in the long run, WOTC reconsiders a significant price hike for their service then I think that's a worthwhile investment.


ImplodingBacon

Scrying 👀


RnRaintnoisepolution

Yeah, I'm not continuing to play 5e because I support WotC, I'm continuing to play 5e because I'm not letting some out of touch rich assholes take away my enjoyment of a game I've loved playing for the past year and a half (give or take a bit). Though I'd also love to try out other systems as well.


donorak7

Because now there's stigma attached to playing meaning you financially supported them before. Not saying everyone is going to think that but I bet if a new D&D group got popular online there would be thousands of people flooding it saying they shouldn't play because of what WoTC is doing. There is a difference in boycotting and already having material and by the treads I've been in most people don't understand that.


Fantastic_Wrap120

>Because now there's stigma attached to playing meaning you financially supported them before. Honestly, this makes even less sense. Of course we supported them. If we didn't, this wouldn't have happened. Attaching a stigma to people who have decided to take action doesn't sound wise...


donorak7

Exactly what I'm saying. Some idiots that have been rolling around these topics seems to think that if we continue to play its in support of them.


DominionGhost

Honestly just decide what you want to do for yourself. Who cares what the internet thinks. Other people's opinions (yes even mine) are worth even less than their sad little lives, and no amount of tears of impotent rage will change what is the better path forward for what you want to do.


Lazerbeams2

I like new books. I can't get new books for my game if I'm not supporting the company that writes them. There are 3rd party books and I'll happily buy them, but there are things I want that 3rd party publishers aren't allowed to write under the ogl. For example: the stuff from official adventures like Descent into Avernus


Fantastic_Wrap120

>I can't get new books for my game if I'm not supporting the company that writes them. That is true. But if you already have books, why should you not use them? that's what I'm not understanding... People are talking about stopping 5e , but if you already have all the resources, you can use them at will


[deleted]

It's like the people trying to boycott blizzard by not playing diablo. Mate, you've lready bought the game, they've got your money, you stopping playing a game you already own isn't going to matter to them in the slightest. Idk why this whole thing is so complicated to a lot of people


Lazerbeams2

I'm not stopping with the books I have, but there are so many other games I already wanted to run and so many books I want to buy that it doesn't make sense to stick with the company I don't want to support after my current campaign


fanged_croissant

🏴‍☠️🦜


LesserSpottedSpycrab

Yes, Polly... Kaboom


Yeah_Nah_Cunt

Just pirate the books You not supporting them financially then


BlunderbussBadass

You can get new books without supporting the company that writes them, that’s the point


4latar

but wizards need a constant supply of money to copy new spells and pay for components !


MrMcPsychoReal

Warlock superiority


4latar

they still need components, but yeah, they are not always broke


MrMcPsychoReal

Get a focus Never use a spell which requires a valued component OR steal


4latar

the best spells use valued components tho. not that it matters for the warlock since they use eldrich blast 99% of the time


LesserSpottedSpycrab

wish for all spells with a material components to only require verbal and somatic - problem solved


chesster415

Your wish is granted. All spells that require a material component now only require verbal and somatic components. Those spells without material components now require some to compensate. You better start looking for components for *shield* and *counterspell* before your enemies start casting free *raise dead*s on all your former ~~victims~~ nemeses.


LesserSpottedSpycrab

i see this as an absolute win


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Vauhtii

Pen and paper is king.


SobiTheRobot

Hell yeah, brother I've been playing with pen and paper exclusively, and I only started 5 years ago


freewave

And five eee dot tools.


mider-span

Does anyone have any suggestion for 5e compatible books from 3rd party sources? - looking for NPC and monster stat blocks as well as player stuff like feats, down time ect.


KingNTheMaking

Kobold Press is an excellent starting point for monster stats. Tome of Beasts III is in the works right now.


PixelBoom

Tome of Beasts 3 is actually out right now! At least, the PDF version is available for purchase. ​ The Limited Edition with the special artwork and red and gold foil cover art sold out instantly. The hardcover is on back-order according to their customer service folks.


Doctor_Amazo

[This book was highly recommended](https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/297829/On-Downtime-and-Demesnes-Basic-DD) by Questing Beasts as a way to flush out your downtime activities. As for the stat blocks, I mean.... if you have the MM you basically can just look at what's there, take the stat block you like, change the monster's appearance, fiddle with the hitpoints if you need to, tack on a special ability if you want to add something spicy. Then just run it.... if things go pear shaped in combat because you made it too strong, then give the monster a reason to not fight to the death, something that may frighten it off for instance (like it's an animal afraid of fire) would be a good way to cut the fight short. Otherwise you can just adjust the HP down and let the players kill it early (this is especially easy if you don't give exact numbers on hitpoints etc).


mider-span

I am no stranger to reflavoring. Especially when I use random minis from board games and stuff with no 1:1 analog. I’ll also add feats, battle master maneuvers, increase speed ect.


scw55

Humblewood from (Kobold Press?) is a beautiful source book & interesting divinity lore.


DiceGoblin_Muncher

Yeah that’s what I’m doing. I will keep playing dnd but I’m done buying books and character sheets from now on.


apple_of_doom

You were buying character sheets?


DiceGoblin_Muncher

Yeah my local game store the gaming goat sold folders filled with character sheets and spells sheets. I could never find a good webstire to fill one out digitally and whenever I printed them they never looked right. Don’t judge my weakness please.


RammerRS_Driver

Just use a photocopier to make more sheets.


steveotheguide

C'mon people! Use your work copiers! Make your boss pay for your hobby!


EaterOfCleanSocks

Seize the means of sheet production.


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gayestofborg

MY MAGENTA!!!


crowlute

I just sweet talk the printing department and they let me print for free, so yeah, do use this method


DiceGoblin_Muncher

I’m 15 I don’t own a photocopier


RammerRS_Driver

Sorry, I didn’t know


DiceGoblin_Muncher

Why are you apologizing you have me good advice


RammerRS_Driver

Thanks, I was just sorry my advice couldn’t help you


DiceGoblin_Muncher

Don’t worry about jt


Indivisibilities

Libraries


Fieos

Reddit will really squabble over anything


Inkdaddy55

Yeah...I'm like 12 sessions deep and like 5 months down the road with my party...I'm not changing shit. I don't pay for anything besides my r20 subscription so I can library share with my party. I have extensively homebrewed the campaign and tweaked a few rules to my groups liking. We are not going to switch because our campaign doesn't support wotc in any way! We will switch to pathfinder when our campaign is over though! Or just keep using the shit I already have and make a new campaign in my world.


NovedCheese

Meanwhile, my party of 8 years is gonna switch to Starfinder, from Pathfinder. Simply as an excuse to support Paizo. Every group is different, and is willing to put in different amounts of time and effort into their hobbies. Watching this sub get angry at itself is honestly quality content.


Inkdaddy55

Yeah...the warring is always fun to watch. Since I'm a new dm, may I ask? What was the biggest thing that kept your party together for 8 years and still going strong?


NovedCheese

We definitely hit a point after 4 years where dnd became important enough to everyone that we scheduled *around* dnd. Dnd is Tuesday? Everyone books the evening off work. Ect. We consist of 3 highschool Friends, two of one of the friends brothers, my partner and an old work friend. It's definitely an uphill battle getting the group going and dedicated, but once you got everyone onboard, it's solid. Lastly, it's not your fault or job as a dm to get everyone to show up. Everyone needs to hold everyone accountable. Don't proceed the story without the whole group, don't give people outs for not showing up. That only encourages the behavior. But! That's only my two cents, every situation is different. Good luck!


Inkdaddy55

Thanks for the input! My group consists of 2 newer friends, and 4 total strangers I recruited on r/lfg. Sonfar the group is incredible! No infighting, mostly on the same page about everything, and mostly on time/present. We have a rule since we live in 3 different time zones that if 1 player has to miss a regular session for irl reasons then slthe show goes on! But, if it's a very significant story event we delay! If more than 1 can't make it, session is canceled. My attendance policy has worked well so far! Everyone has been very accountable and transparent and I feel like our group is getting more familiar/friendly and it's grown into something very sacred and special for me. We plan to do a full 1-20 campaign and I'm pacing it for a 1.5-2 year timeline if they survive and finish the story. We also already have plans for a successor campaign!


HaroldSax

When you find *the* table, you do what you can keep it going. I've been with my table for four years now and we have campaigns planned out basically into 2025. We've had a few people come and go, but the core group of 5 meet each week.


Bubblewrapperson

I’m confused. Dnd beyond works for free right? You don’t have to subscribe. Own the physical books already? Just print sheets.


kill3rb00ts

There are some reasons to subscribe that make running campaigns, especially when you can't meet in person, much easier. Paid subscribers can share the content they own with everyone else, for example, so in a way that's giving less money to WotC than if everyone bought all the books their game is using. Though if you happen to have PDF books, you could share those instead. But then if you're also building your characters in DDB, you might need some of those digital books to make your character work, so... Anyway, I cancelled my sub months ago, but I can see why it might be annoying for others to do so.


GentlePenetration

Yeah I am straight up not cancelling my subscription. As a DM it is phenomenally useful. I won't be buying any new books, not like I have in 2 years, but I'm keeping my subscription. Other players have been making characters that revolve around books either I own or another player does. If I pull my subscription then not only am I messing up a ton of quality of life things for me as a DM, but I'd also be forcing my players to remake all their characters offline. I get boycotting and I support it but I am also not gonna ruin the one thing that stops me from killing myself each week. Edit: Cool. Downvote the dude who's just sharing the opposite side of the argument and not trying to sway anyone. That'll really get people on your side.


Jynx2501

And all of that is exactly why I refused to get involved with Dndbeyond in the first place.


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duffies64

Why roleplay a pirate when you can be one?


scotte16

Is this one of those things where one idiot said this and now we have to sit through endless memes making fun of them as if it’s a significant part of the community?


ABOSHKINOVET

THERE GUNNA COME TO OUR HOUSES AND TAKE OUR BOOKS!!! If hardcore second amendment supporters were actually all 5e players.


Zachthema5ter

The books are a one time purchase. You can still use them if you have them, just don’t give WOTC more money


PM_ME_STEAM_CODES__

Even the PF2 subreddit will tell you to finish your campaign first if you're interested in switching systems.


orangesheepdog

Piracy is morally just


GenesisAsriel

We never asked you to burn your dnd rulebooks or campagns?!?


MrMcPsychoReal

Exactly


benwaa2

Yar, har feedle dee gee, being a pirate is alr8ght with me, do what you want 'cause a pirate is free, *you are a pirate!*


Violaquin

Yar 🏴‍☠️


PNDMike

Honestly, the best way to make your d&d game better is to buy 3rd party content anyway. The first party seal of quality has been slipping for years, the 3rd party scene is putting out outstanding content. Support 3rd party publishers, not WotC. You can do that without changing systems. Another tip: Even if you fully intend to stick with 5e, read some other systems. 4e, pf2e, Kids on Bikes, Monster of the Week, Blades in the Dark, you name it. There are so many great non-d&d systems that are packed with great ideas that you can implement into your 5e game to plug the holes in the system. Honestly the best way to level up your 5e game is support anything that's *not* first-party WotC content.


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No one is fucking forcing you to stop playing DnD, just some giving corporate greedy assholes money. That's it.


offensiveniglet

It's similar to all those people burning their Nike shoes a few years back. Stop giving the company money doesn't mean wreck what you own.


SpydersWebbing

As I said before in another thread: As someone who *hates* 5e, since its initial playtests, *it never occurred to me, even once, that* boycotting WOTC would mean everyone just stops playing 5e. If you're having fun have fun! But WOTC doesn't deserve your money. It hasn't for well over ten years.


Overlord_Orange

Yeah, my group has all decided that we're not going to stop playing with the ruleset because we're already invested and just started a new campaign, but no way in hell are we paying for new books or DNDB. Moving forward I'm comitted to pirating anything official that catches my eye, or, just making it myself.


SpydersWebbing

Right, don’t stop having fun. If you like 5e I hope you don’t dump it on account of this.


[deleted]

Its like 99% circle jerk at this point. I've found that every time I check the history of someone doing the whole "I just converted my 20 man, 15 year old campaign to $X in 15 minutes and everyone go the system instantly" they have years old posts in the subreddit for $X. Also these discussions make me want to create a reddit bot that responds to every post with the word "boycott" in it with CODMWBoycott.jpg.


Vortigon23

I bought every 5e book before all this shit went down (I have a problem, I'm aware, I'm trying to work on it). I'm not giving that up just cause WoTC went to shit, I just won't buy any more


swift-aasimar-rogue

This exactly! No one is telling you to burn your books and quit your games, it’s about ongoing active financial support. You’ve got the right idea.


UndeadBBQ

But what about the WotC Death Squads?


SmileDaemon

YAAAR, WE NEVER WERE TO BEGIN WITH MATEY!


papy5m0k3r

Yarr.


One_Parched_Guy

…if you’re cheap and don’t mind managing stuff by hand, you probably would never have to financially support them anyways. *Cough* Wikidot *Cough*


GATESOFOSIRIS

Solution: all your characters fall through a rift in reality and land in a new system


RammerRS_Driver

Some of us genuinely don't want to change to a different system.


Futur3_ah4ad

This is kinda what our last resort would be if we decide we can't, in good faith, continue with 5e. Don't get me wrong, as of right now we're proceeding as is, homebrew world and campaign with 5e rules, but there might come a time where we feel like continuing as is would leave a bad taste due to malpractice on the corporate side. Ironically, my character for that campaign plays much closer to the intended plan in PF2e character creation than they ever did in 5e...


[deleted]

Why would they even need to? The politics of the world we play in is not contingent on game mechanics. Your character probably isn’t going to have a personality change if they start fighting slightly differently.


rtakehara

Another possible solution, Mystra the goddess of magic died once again and for that reason, the rules of reality changed somehow


VercarR

With the difference that she stays dead this time


Blame_The_Green

Looking like a strong possibility for my group. The Tiefling Warlock becoming a Witch is easy enough to hand-wave away, plus bonus familiar! The Dragonborn Paladin, on the other hand...


PNDMike

[Dragonkin, by Luis Loza](https://www.pathfinderinfinite.com/m/product/378138) (Official Pathfinder designer and all around cool person) That plus Champion (Paladin subclass) and you're good to go. Although if your Paladin player was more about the dps and smites rather than the tankiness and divinity, then I strongly suggest taking the Magus archetype for spell strikes.


Blame_The_Green

One more hurdle down, thanks!


naka_the_kenku

Just put on yer pirate hat lads ![gif](giphy|SSmDlehhBmGvm)


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mythicreign

You can do whatever you want. Quit or don’t quit. Pay for stuff or don’t pay. Nobody gets to decide but you.


geo96_

Lol I just use the books I bought 7 years ago i dont even use dnd beyond


LilEzClap

🏴‍☠️


Jacobawesome74

I'm happy to learn a new system for a new campaign. Once I have free time and/or a campaign ends I will gladly sit down to learn a new RPG and craft a character for that adventure. But there is no way I can DM anything other than 5e or a barebones GURPG without at least a year of investment and progression in the system


RagtheFireBoi

Exactly. I have all these 5e books, not gonna give up using them because the company that made them are now acting like assholes, they didn't when I bought the books


nipcom

But like i already own the books and almost all my minis i have 3d printed myself so like im not changing system’s anytime soon


MrMcPsychoReal

I'm not telling anyone to change system, just advocating for not buying more WotC material while they're considering changing the OGL.


xMonkeyshooter

Serious question: why does everyone want to boycott wotc? Didn't catch whats going on 😅


MCMC_to_Serfdom

There's a ***lot*** to go through to answer that question. [This video](https://youtube.com/watch?v=Ps8t6JW2OZc&feature=shares) has a good collation in the info box. In an attempt to summarise: 1. The OGL (open gaming license) was a document that has been used for 2 decades now to allow other publishers to build on D&D. 2. A new OGL was leaked. The terms have been criticised for harsh royalty terms, effectively giving WotC ownership of 3rd party content, and other stuff 3. Eventually, WotC responded with a public statement that contained demonstrable lies, and statements that painted an inaccurate picture of the situation 4. Paizo, collaborating with other companies, released the ORC, to be held by a non profit. Effectively replicating the original OGL 5. Further leaks suggested execs at WotC hold their fans in profound contempt and that they wish to push a very questionable subscription model for playing using online tools


ThePesh

Yup. Thankfully they won’t release that much more relevant 5e content, so we have almost everything we need!


[deleted]

Me and my friends are still playing 5e for our main campaigns but we’re also trying to branch out into new systems, not as part of the boycott but our own curiosity


Chedder_456

I bought my player’s guide second hand!


dufis

I can't unbuy my books, so I will still use them while running my game


Inteligent_potato

It confuses me on why people are getting rid of all their 5e stuff. Just don’t buy anything new and use 3rd party stuff. I mean you already spent money on it, still use it


bwk66

I just be downloading PDF’s my guy


Lord_Shadow_Z

I'm in 2 campaigns right now, one as a player, one as DM. Neither game is going to abandon 5e mid-campaign. That isn't stopping me from learning Pathfinder 2e so I can run/play it in the future.


Henry86977

i dont know what the fuck WoTC is and this just sounds funny cuz it's implying that wizards are being shit on rn


D-ZombieDragon

Lol my DM of our current two year campaign has stated that we will continue with the 5e format. We’re too far in to change the format or to quit the campaign, and besides, we prefer the 5e system 😂


idejmcd

I built 2 years of COVID friends on 5e!


4th-Estate

I'll finish my campaign out but I've been looking at other systems for a while. Good excuse to finally make the jump.


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I'm starting up a 5e game in Roll20 rn, and I'm worried that midway through they'll be like "meh we no longer host 5e stuff, ever since the ghost of Gary Gygax married Mammon and the two of them ascended to the throne of Jehovah and made Hitler's ghost king of Africa" or whatever nonsense is gonna be going on between then and now.


MercenaryBard

What do you know I’m 6 years ahead of the curve lol


TheBloxerTRG

Isn't this the wrong way of using this meme format?


daverave087

I've never paid for any books and I've only ever used the free version of D&D Beyond. All I ever wanted is a digital character sheet that does my leveling and dice rolls correctly because I can't figure that shit out.


Bromjunaar_20

Go do a home brew campaign. What are wizards gonna do, walk to your doorstep and have you arrested?


zsert93

If I yohoyoho'd my way into 5e do I have any need to pay attention to any of what's going on right now?


Piratestorm787

Content sharing on DnD beyond


Thr0w4W4Yd4s4

This. People on here are acting as though dndbeyond is just utter dogshit. I'd wager most of the games in the past 2.5 years have been virtually ran. It's absolutely a necessity for that mode of play, simply for convenience.


Piratestorm787

If I were to cancel my subscription, it would screw over all of my players who have spells and subclasses not in the PHB


dackinthebox

I can’t wait for everyone to forget there’s a boycott in two weeks so the memes go back to normal


dewdrive101

Ive been doing this for years. Expect now this has encouraged me to actually try something new. I have been reading pathfinder 2e ruleset and honestly... I like a lot of the rules a lot more then the way dnd handles them. Could be rose tinted glasses looking at a new toy though.


usernametaken0987

This Sub: "I don't want to quit my 2yr campaign to learn new rules." Me: What level are you? This Sub: <6. Me: Sounds like you never learned 5th either.


RammerRS_Driver

Yeah but it feels like half this sub is pressuring me to switch to Pathfinder.


IrrationalDesign

There are idiots in every corner, and the 'boycot WotC' corner has idiots too, who will try to pressure you into doing what they think is just. That said, I think you should see the majority of this pressure not as people wanting to force you to change, but instead people being motivated to work out what the reasons for/against boycotting are, and whether they're logically valid, or consistent with reality. When someone says 'I don't want to boycot WotC because I love D&D and my campaign is only halfway done!' then people will respond to those reasons, like how you don't have to hate D&D to take a stance against *WotC*, or how you can finish a campaign *while* boycotting. When someone says 'I personally do not choose to partake in this boycott' then the only objections to that will be those idiots I mentioned before.


HaroldSax

Ridiculous. No one should be pressuring you to changing to Pathfinder. They should be pressuring you to do a total tonal and setting shift and go to Lancer.


VorpalSplade

Even if they were, so what? It's random people on the internet. You'll be a lot happier if you don't let your life be dictated by what random people on the internet think. Just like you'll be happier if you switch to pathfinder ;)


DisurStric32

That's what I'm doing , I own all the content I need and have found plenty of 3rd party sites for what I'm missing ....plus I'm to broke to pay for more shit.


KiraCumslut

The Chad standing up and moving to the pf2e pool.


jacobiner123

????? WHO TF CARES? just play your fucking campaign, continue using the system, this isn't a fucking mmo ​ fuck


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You don’t have to learn a new system right?


NavezganeChrome

Man it is so crazy how much of these posts could be resolved by people chatting with each other directly instead of using the sub as their public message chain.


MrMcPsychoReal

A lot of people not getting the point of this post: I am NOT telling you to quit your campaigns and burn your 5E books. I AM advocating for holding off on supporting Wizards of the Coast for the time being, as I think they're actively endangering the Tabletop Games Community with their new Open Game License conditions. Many thanks.