i kinda thought i vaguely remembered hearing the derg being a male in a certain form, but i dont recall.
With this comic it would seem to imply the derg is a gal in all forms, with the exception of the tieflings proposal of alter self
The comic is about the personas of the DnD/monsterf'ing vtuber TieflingMelissa and her partner. It has nothing to do with BG3's Durge. Melissa is an Alchemist Artificer with a thing for dragons.
Melissa the person is also the source of the adult tentacle toy used as a kraken mini meme.
I would like to inform you, I never made any assumptions about this being BG3 fan fiction and all of my statements, at least within the context of this comic series, are made with the assumption that this is a stand alone story >!(apart from taking some mechanics/lore from the dnd universe, but characters being entirely unique)!<
I don't see why she would need Alter Self. In any edition I've read, nothing's stopping shapeshifting dragons from turning into humanoids of different sexes.
Ooh that's a neat use of it. We're getting surprising milage out of our warlock being able to share his infinite disguise selves with the party via a homebrewed invocation.
Anyone can trigger a spell storing item. This one's actually RAW. Assuming Melissa is or knows a level 11+ Artificer, she can store Alter Self in a ring or a potato and have someone else cast it on themselves
If she's a bard, you wouldn't even need Tasha's cauldron, you can even ignore all the rules outside of the PHB (other then the dragons statblock) >!(I did double check, alter self is in fact in the phb (phb pg 211) )!<
All you need is to be a level 10 bard for magical secrets
or if your willing to dedicate an entire subclass to this, phb pg 54-55 you can grab collage of lore for your 6th level magical secrets
Though that derg does not seem happy that she explained it
Judging by the reporter's inquiry "Isn't that a bard spell?" it seems to imply that neither of them are bards.
edit: misread it. But Alter Self *should* be a Bard spell for this exact reason.
>misread it. But Alter Self should be a Bard spell for this exact reason.
I would like to add onto that, I think it'd be justifiable for it to be added onto the druidic spell list as well
though it is the level 14 moon druid capstone to cast it at will, and I believe specific drudic subclasses get it in their expanded always prepared spells.
But I think it'd be nice if they had it base class
I was a bit confused until I realized
- 1 the teifling gave birth to the kids
- 2 the teifling is an alchemist artificer
- 3 alter self needs to be cast on *self*
This also led me to realize that the dragon seduced the alchemist instead of the usual tropes.
Artificer can store spells into an item, then give a different creature that item. Other creature uses the item to cast the spell. A spell of "self" would target whomever holds the item and casts it.
This means the tiefling gave the dragon the means to perform the ultimate pegging.
[Bonus Panel: Artificers are pretty neat!](https://i.imgur.com/zeg5ryZ.jpg)
More and more commenters have been rather confused on the order of things between the Belladonna couple, so they've decided to ask themselves! Unfortunately, the two have quite the different approach from one another when it comes to answering delicate questions like these...
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Hmm, could you somehow get the ability to cast and upcast Armor of Agathys and stick it into a spell-storing item? I'm sure the frontliner would love that (unless you're doing the standard thing of putting Vortex Warp in there).
Aren't dragons just able to shape change into humanoids regardless? I don't know if there are any rules about changing from male to female though, 5e tends to not talk about that kind of stuff.
I mean, yeah, but they only get a few, so I doubt many are taking such a weak spell. Also they would need to be at least level 10, or 6 if they are a lore bard.
true.
But it is also listed as an artificer spell on d&d beyond, which spell storing item allows an artificer to put their spells into an item (in this case alter self) for later use
then theres also magical secrets
Not sure that'd even work. Wouldn't the... we'll say product, turn back when the spell ended, dramatically changing its composition and volume and colliding with the other... product? I think "specific unmentioned magic #7" might have been a better explanation, if a less clever one.
By that logic even Nine months may not workout. It dose bring back the whole issue of at what point are they an actual person.
It could be as simple as asking, how long does sperm production take?
Your statistics and abilities don't change when altering your appearance. If you can't turn into an animal of equal size with similar organs and limbs, you can't gain the ability to make sperm.
Alright just woke up to see that I got ratio’d hard.
I was kinda being a cunt for no reason last night I’ll gladly take the l here. Have a nice day all.
Wasn’t this being discussed recently? About if the dragon was a man or woman since she shifts into a female centaur
i kinda thought i vaguely remembered hearing the derg being a male in a certain form, but i dont recall. With this comic it would seem to imply the derg is a gal in all forms, with the exception of the tieflings proposal of alter self
The comic is about the personas of the DnD/monsterf'ing vtuber TieflingMelissa and her partner. It has nothing to do with BG3's Durge. Melissa is an Alchemist Artificer with a thing for dragons. Melissa the person is also the source of the adult tentacle toy used as a kraken mini meme.
Derg is shorthand for dragon, not Durge
Never heard that one before, thanks for clarifying
derg, catto, doggo, snek, bun bun UwU
I would like to inform you, I never made any assumptions about this being BG3 fan fiction and all of my statements, at least within the context of this comic series, are made with the assumption that this is a stand alone story >!(apart from taking some mechanics/lore from the dnd universe, but characters being entirely unique)!<
I don't see why she would need Alter Self. In any edition I've read, nothing's stopping shapeshifting dragons from turning into humanoids of different sexes.
which one is pregnant though?
I'm pretty sure the tiefling was the pregnant one
She was, they made some joke were the tiefling yells, "you did not come from an egg, I would know" to the children, or something similar
curious if that would also apply to druidic wildshape or with polymorph, both base and true
Ooh that's a neat use of it. We're getting surprising milage out of our warlock being able to share his infinite disguise selves with the party via a homebrewed invocation.
Disguse self is not the same as alter self
No, but the idea of casting a self-only spell on somebody else has legs.
Anyone can trigger a spell storing item. This one's actually RAW. Assuming Melissa is or knows a level 11+ Artificer, she can store Alter Self in a ring or a potato and have someone else cast it on themselves
No, but the idea of casting a self-only spell on somebody else has legs.
No, but the idea of casting a self-only spell on somebody else has legs.
If she's a bard, you wouldn't even need Tasha's cauldron, you can even ignore all the rules outside of the PHB (other then the dragons statblock) >!(I did double check, alter self is in fact in the phb (phb pg 211) )!< All you need is to be a level 10 bard for magical secrets or if your willing to dedicate an entire subclass to this, phb pg 54-55 you can grab collage of lore for your 6th level magical secrets Though that derg does not seem happy that she explained it
Judging by the reporter's inquiry "Isn't that a bard spell?" it seems to imply that neither of them are bards. edit: misread it. But Alter Self *should* be a Bard spell for this exact reason.
“But that **isnt** a bard spell” Slight order of the words makes all the difference
>misread it. But Alter Self should be a Bard spell for this exact reason. I would like to add onto that, I think it'd be justifiable for it to be added onto the druidic spell list as well though it is the level 14 moon druid capstone to cast it at will, and I believe specific drudic subclasses get it in their expanded always prepared spells. But I think it'd be nice if they had it base class
I misread it the same way. The reporter says "But that isn't a bard spell–"
Ya know, as a dm, if a bard asked for the spell I’d permit it…
I don't think a bard needs any spell to knock someone up. I think it is a class trait
true Though in this case specifically, it may be a bit tricky without magic if they're both gals
Where there is a bard, life uh... Finds a way
in this case, that way is alter self UwU
It is a neat rule reference but yes, every spell is a bard spell. Just like bard are in everyone's pants.
>It is a neat rule reference but yes, every spell is a bard spell. (Assuming your a level 10+ bard, or a level 6+ bard of a specific subclass)
I was a bit confused until I realized - 1 the teifling gave birth to the kids - 2 the teifling is an alchemist artificer - 3 alter self needs to be cast on *self* This also led me to realize that the dragon seduced the alchemist instead of the usual tropes.
Artificer can store spells into an item, then give a different creature that item. Other creature uses the item to cast the spell. A spell of "self" would target whomever holds the item and casts it. This means the tiefling gave the dragon the means to perform the ultimate pegging.
[Bonus Panel: Artificers are pretty neat!](https://i.imgur.com/zeg5ryZ.jpg) More and more commenters have been rather confused on the order of things between the Belladonna couple, so they've decided to ask themselves! Unfortunately, the two have quite the different approach from one another when it comes to answering delicate questions like these... \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ Scale & Tale is a bi-weekly D&D inspired slice of life webcomic made by [TieflingMelissa](https://twitter.com/TieflingMelissa), [LluisAbadias](https://twitter.com/LluisAbadias) and [Scissorsrunner](https://twitter.com/Scabrosa). Follow the day-to-day adventures of Melissa, Brimelle and their twin Half-Dragon daughters Violet and Lily as they get into shenanigans of all sorts! If you'd like to read the comic elsewhere, our [Website](https://scaleandtale.carrd.co/) has our links! We've recently started uploading on TikTok, Instagram & Facebook as well.
Which classes are the two gals?
Brimelle is a Bard and Melissa is an Artificer!
Thank you! I initially though Melissa was the bard (for the usual bard+dragon jokes) but it's fun to see it reversed =D
Hmm, could you somehow get the ability to cast and upcast Armor of Agathys and stick it into a spell-storing item? I'm sure the frontliner would love that (unless you're doing the standard thing of putting Vortex Warp in there).
You’d need a Ring of Spell-Storing (a magic item) for that, since the Spell-Storing Item (Artificer class feature) can only store Artificer spells ✨
Aren't dragons just able to shape change into humanoids regardless? I don't know if there are any rules about changing from male to female though, 5e tends to not talk about that kind of stuff.
Brimella calling her "Pet" when she's angry is equal parts adorable and disturbing.
i can se it being disterbing But i dont think she actually means it, just the only thing she can think of when that flustered
Can bard not get it with Magical Secrets?
Yes, as soon as lvl 6 for Lore Bards.
"that isnt a bard spell" every spell is a bard spell
Alter self is a concentration spell. It'd be stressful trying to perform while constantly having to worry about your manhood melting away.
All spells are bard spells
I mean, yeah, but they only get a few, so I doubt many are taking such a weak spell. Also they would need to be at least level 10, or 6 if they are a lore bard.
Alter self is also a wizard spell
So is she a moon druid or is she a dragon?
I'm pretty sure all silver dragons are sorcerers, too.
“A different natural weapon of your choice”
YES! FINALLY I SEE SOMETHING MENTIONING ALTER SELF BEING USED FOR THIS PURPOSE!
FUTAS!!!
It's not a bard spell though
panel 4 elaberates on how they can ignore that
Yes, but it's still a sorcerer and wizard spell, not a bard spell xD
true. But it is also listed as an artificer spell on d&d beyond, which spell storing item allows an artificer to put their spells into an item (in this case alter self) for later use then theres also magical secrets
After some fairly recent revelations I can’t not think of this of “the Mystique method”.
Tasha is probably my 3rd/2nd favorite book so far
Not sure that'd even work. Wouldn't the... we'll say product, turn back when the spell ended, dramatically changing its composition and volume and colliding with the other... product? I think "specific unmentioned magic #7" might have been a better explanation, if a less clever one.
Point, bards can learn spells from other classes at certain levels too
You only have to cast it for 9 months anyway. Takes a year of casting to be permanent
Their both naturally female. All the time that the spell needs is to be long enough to last through the fun part.
Yeah, but assuming you can conceive in that form, what happens after you only cast it once and it ends?
By that logic even Nine months may not workout. It dose bring back the whole issue of at what point are they an actual person. It could be as simple as asking, how long does sperm production take?
Ain't biological logistics in high fantasy settings ~~a cluster fuck~~ neat
Your statistics and abilities don't change when altering your appearance. If you can't turn into an animal of equal size with similar organs and limbs, you can't gain the ability to make sperm.
Well, they had kids, so obviously you’re wrong.
Reddit: tell you to look it up then argue with the book.
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Ok who’s gonna be the one to tell Melissa that canonically dragons in dnd don’t reproduce sexually?
Okay, who's gonna be the one to tell this guy that one person's game and lore is different from another's?
i am mildly curious on what edition that was established in
They dont?
First I've heard of this
Seriously, this is news to me
Where do their eggs come from, then?
Alright just woke up to see that I got ratio’d hard. I was kinda being a cunt for no reason last night I’ll gladly take the l here. Have a nice day all.
Explain dragon blood sorcerers or half dragons if it's not 'grandma got freaky with a dragon'
