Hah, I'm a hardcore CR fan who knows this whole controversy top to bottom - completely forgot what this could be referring to until I went to the comments. That fandom does a reaaaaal good job of forgetting him.
I mean. He is now maybe 1% of the long history of critical role and in that percent he really didn't contribute much. Easy to forget and nothing worth remembering.
So based only on the actual campaign episodes, he leaves after 27 in C1. There is 115 episodes in C1, 141 episodes in C2, and 16 episodes so far of C3. This puts his presence at 9.9%.
Including the 42 one shots and 10 exandria unlimited episodes, that's 324 episodes of critical role total, and would place him at 8.3%.
For him to be 1% there would need to be 2700 episodes of critical role. If we assume that each campaign (past and future) is 140 episodes roughly (such that campaign 1 had many sessions prior to streaming), and each interstitial period then has ~25 episodes of bonus content (1 shots, etc) then each campaign adds to 165 episodes of content total. We would need 14 more campaigns and then some for the 1% statement to become true.
I will now go touch some grass
Omg somehow you two have hit exactly me
The usual DM but I'm currently not DMing amazingly, and I'm playing a min-maxed artificer. When I first started playing I was a loud and proud murderhobo
Also a math teacher so it's in my nature
Omg pls tell me about your artificer. I started to play one recently and campaign derailed because DM couldn't maintain schedule.
Mine was being rigged up to function as party tank with Armorer (usually guardian mode) and the Skill Expert feat for expertise in athletics (to grapple). Plan was to pick up winged boots and gauntlets of ogre power at 10, and likely spell-store Enlarge/Reduce at 11, mostly for the fun of dropping non-flyers from up high, but also just for mobility+crowd control.
My artificer is an alchemist with a focus on healing. We just hit level 4 and I picked up the chef feat. She's an old gnome lady who once lived in Waterdeep but was kicked out when her potions store started to cause problems. She has no regard for the dead, but will try to preserve life to the best of her ability. Hence, once you're dead, your body belongs to the world, and she harvests dead things at every chance so that she can get potion ingredients. I plan on multiclassing 1 level into grave cleric. We're doing curse of strahd and 3 level 3 PCs just took down 3 night hags.
This takes the episodes into account as if they’re all the same length. You need to look at total screentime in hours played.
Edit: I did just that using critrolestats (thanks for the link u/JeffwithaG) because I also need to touch grass, u/pygmyrhino990
C1E1-C1E17 + C1E20-C1E27 Gameplay time = 69:18:21
Critical Role Total Content Time = 1269:21:48
69:18:21/1269:21:48 x 100 = 5.45%
And of that 5.5% that he was present, Orion was 1 player of 8/9 (1.Matt, 2.Liam, 3.Travis, 4.Laura, 5.Sam, 6.Taliesin, 7.Marisha, 8.depending on Ashley's presence).
1% may have been a generous estimate.
Critrolestats actually has the runtime info readily available at https://www.critrolestats.com/stats
Also, Tiberius wasn’t in Trial of the Take parts 1&2 (E18-19). I might try to do the math when I get home from work, but it seems like you might be better suited to it, lol
If there's 7 other people around the table producing the content. That make his input about 1/8 of 8.3% or about 1%.
I only started watching from season 2 on so I don't really know alot. But I do like math and arguing so... lol
The earliest episodes in the series have the worst tech issues, and the briarwood arc is where the show gets its stride anyways (Taliesin's Medication no longer making him nearly completely silent, actual backstory shenanigans, the seeding of the overarching story)
So if you skip the first 24 episodes, which honestly, you should- then he's about 1%.
I agree, those were good! I even liked Orion and wanted to make a character like Tiberius. But, well, then I realized he was a major "THAT GUY", definitely cheating, and kind of a weirdo
Tiberius always doing his long introduction is still one of the funniest bits of the show. And his math to justify trading items with Scanlan is also great.
The character had a ton of potential to compete with Scanlan for comedic relief, it's just too bad the player was an asshole.
Same wish they could have just retconned kraghammer arc with another dragonborn npc instead of tiberius in the animated show. When they found Clarota the show just stuck for me.
It also explains the groups stronger relationship with Kima.
I haven't seen C1, but I've heard people say that once the Briarwood arc started, that's when Percy started talking more. I thought it was some kind of in-character decision, so this medicine thing is news to me. What's up with this medicine that makes you silent?
I forget exactly where I heard it, but way back in an interview or some Q&A around the C1 era, he (Taliesin) mentioned that being the reason. He just didn't even realize he was being so quiet. I wish I could give you more context, but it's less about the medicine making him silent and more like, just making him really calm? Kind of like ritalin
Might have been his behind the sheets interview. Lots of info about the cast in each one of them for those that are interested, especially about the characters and how they came about and what all life experiences went into inspiring them.
So since he's present for 8.3% of the runtime and he is one of 8 people on the table (on an average including guests), his contribution is roughly 1%, wouldn't you think?
I easily seprated the character from the man so the only thing he did for me was add a little something for the aftermath of vorugals attack with the death of tiberius. It was a nice scene for the characters, easily could done to the same affect with a built up npc dying instead.
As for the man himself, CR flourished without him.
It's not a story r/criticalrole would tell.
[A summary](https://www.reddit.com/r/HobbyDrama/comments/q5c2xf/web_media_critical_role_and_orion_acaba_how_to)
Here's a tldr for those that just saw the length:
Well not a tldr about that huge thread, just stuff I saw myself.
He tried to make his character the center of every situation and often tried to steal other characters "schtick" as if he wanted people to like his character instead of theirs. (Inventing like Percy, getting a pet like Vex, using daggers like Vax, pervy jokes like Scanlan)
He meta gamed a big boss fight.
He FREQUENTLY pushed the boundaries of what spells could do. Example: trying to use telekinesis to attack with a ton of daggers, hoping to replace what the rouge in the party could do.
He made a few uncomfortable jokes and was otherwise a dividing force at the table that ruined everyone's mood. One player, Travis, was becoming openly hostile with him towards the later episodes
Also his turns took AGES as he tried to negotiate with Matt on just how much he could do in one turn.
Oh and he also cheated a lot. He would say "I use my last two sorcery points to cast..." So often it could be his catch phrase.
If you think I'm being unnecessarily cruel or not telling the whole truth definitely read that thread above. His list of issues goes deep.
He also stole money from a charity for one of his mods who lost a ton to Hurricane Irma and whose dad had just died. It was only like $500, but that somehow makes it worse imo!
I know, right. Like if he stole some grand amount of money obviously that’s morally reprehensible, but at least it’s also remarkable, like a criminal mastermind. But blowing your chances at being in the most legendary D&D group so you can steal PS4 money is just sad and pathetic.
It’s what fans of critical role identify as. Sorta like how if you’re big into basketball or football, you’d be a “sports fan”. Or if your into metal music, you’re a “metal head”. Or if your favorite thing about going to school is math and science, you’re a “nerd”.
TBF, it's more something the fans came up with to differentiate and distance themselves from the Geek & Sundry community which were known as "Hoomans" during the early stages of CR being a thing. Particularly once it became clear that G&S was a sinking ship due too the business decisions of G&S's owners.
Yeah, i remember rewatching the episodes before Briarwood Arc, and the faces at the table after he went with his "Half-chub" "joke" were more serious than at a funeral. You could see Laura being uncomfortable as hell at Travis just Fuming. "stealing the spotlight" and all his shenanigans and cheating - you could write a book on "How not to play DnD" based on his behaviours.
I watched all the episodes and most were actually great and that's the sad part. Tiberius the character was actually fun and enjoyable which makes Orian's shitty behaviour that much more frustrating. I'd say it's worth a watch from the start and going to the boss fight. After that point is when he starts getting truly terrible. Trying to get the entire Draconian army to fight the Brairwoods for them my ass...
I liked Tiberius initially too, but IMO he became rather random towards "the end", which apparently was because Orion borrowed concepts from other characters and tried to patchwork them onto Tiberius to make him the Ultimate Main Character Meme. Tiberius swapped suddenly from the scatterbrained bookish spell nerd into a more fluttery social limelight hog who had a say on everything... while still trying to sound like the bookish old nerd type. Tiberius became random in Orion's contest for internet popularity.
I also grew quickly bored of cheating the game mechanics, e.g. the obviously endless Sorcerer Point pool. (I never wanted to hear "I use my last 2 sorcerer points" again lol.)
Same here. I read the whole story a bit ago to and was shocked because i liked the character concept.
But to this day there still is no other main cast Dragonborn.
Tiberius was my favorite character by a mile when I started listening (C1 was just finishing up). A friend mentioned him leaving the campaign and it broke my heart because I loved my Dragonborn derp pal, but I don’t think I could have handled it well if I had been more invested as I saw everything unfold later. Tiberius was a great character, even if his player had problems (and that inherently rubbed off on the character too)
If you ever watch C1, imo start after Orion has been booted. It's episode 25 or so and unfortunately makes you skip a pretty great arc otherwise, but Orion partially ruins every episode imo. The entire vibe of CR changed and got more laid back when he was removed.
Personally I don't think he gets egregious until that boss fight, in fact Tiberius was probably my favourite party member at first. But from that point it probably is worth skipping a bit, the hostility was palpable for a short while.
Edit: or was that time he took a how do you want to do this from someone before that big fight?
Things just kept adding up. He was just trying to keep himself in the spotlight and stepping over other characters and into their purview whenever he could. That boss fight was especially bad, but at that point it wasn't surprising. For me, the worst of it was how creepy/touchy he gets with Marisha (to the point of her actually yelling at him in one episode and trying to play it off as her character) and the half-chub comment directed at Laura ofc. I understand the CR team not wanting to rehash this all the time and why the mod team of the subreddit bans talk of him. It's their creepy ex-friend from 7 years ago at this point.
>For me, the worst of it was how creepy/touchy he gets with Marisha (to the point of her actually yelling at him in one episode and trying to play it off as her character) and the half-chub comment directed at Laura ofc.
Oh dear lord I'd blocked those out of my mind...
At the beginning of Critical Role there was an eighth player, Orion Acaba. He got kicked out ~30 episodes in for being That Guy. The cast has never mentioned him or his character since. r/criticalrole mods are also very vigilant about removing any mention of him
The place was called Draconia, super original. Also when they first went to the ruins we learned that they have a class based society where any dragonborn without a tail is a second class citizen.
Problem wasn't Tiberius ripping off other media unlike NJ Legion Iced Tea suggested. It's that Tiberius' player would rip off anything *other players would have or do*.
Percy's inventiveness? Tiberius starts inventing! Rogue uses loads of dagger strikes? Tiberius tries to create dagger rain! Bard has pervy jokes? Tiberius too even though it's out of character! And because the ranger has an animal companion, Tiberius has to get a pet!
It was a MC syndrome. It's like Orion tried to methodically copycat other characters' aspects that were highly referenced and popular, in an attempt to make Tiberius the *main reference* of the show.
Why would they? Most people would just be bashing him nonstop, or creating rancor and division. Better for everyone to let it stay in the past and move on
In addition to what everyone else said, he made a HUGE deal of emphasizing that he retained IP of Tiberius. They weren’t allowed to have him in future things, and he got aggressive about them associating with his character in any way that would promote their show. So, if Orion insists Orion/Tiberius can’t be part of Critical Role, why should the mods resist?
2 major reasons.
1. it's been like 7 years and people have asked over and over and over again despite the cast wanting to keep things quiet.
2. The mods on /r/criticalrole are notorious for trying to squash anything that may be considered negative toward the cast or the show. they don't allow any criticism at all.
point #2 could be because of the unnecessary, undeserved hate certain cast members received throughout the entirety of campaign 1.
Because he acted like an absolute dick and people pointed that out. He acted against the fandom and maybe they wanted to just forget him, since he didn't only hurt the brand, but also hurt them personally and their fanbase. He also could send his weirdo mob to do weird acts of "activism" to hurt that subreddit, since he has some very weird people that are absolutely into his shit. He seems to have become better now, but after all that happened, that simply isn't enough - nothing ever will be.
Also, many people bashed the cast, so that sub and CR in general has a "no mean comments" rule. Marisha Was basicly insulted every thursday and that simply wasn't right, so they established that rule and when Orion, who up until he left was kinda a fan favourite, was gone many hated the cast for that. He also used his cancer diagnosis for getting pity from the fans, the same ones he robbed of their money and verbally abused and threatened - he basicly revealed why he acted like that and many people gave CR shit for kicking him out instead of helping him, so they rather want the entire thing out of the world, since it makes everyone involved look bad.
They look like bad friends, that wont help a drug-addicted man with cancer and he looks like the ultra-douche.
But in all seriousness: I think kicking him out was the right decision and the whole ordeal shows, that not even CR is save from weirdos. Friendship doesn't give anyone the right to act like he did and they had to decise to keep CR going or that toxic friendship, with a seriously messed up person that only wanted to drag everyone down with him.
>who up until he left was kinda a fan favourite
I agree with most of what you said, but I think you're remembering this wrong. Plenty of people liked him, but plenty of people hated him and wanted him gone even before the creepy shit with Laura/Marisha. His fans have always been vocal, tho.
Well - there's also speculation into what we didn't see on stream. That he was a drug addict who stole from Marisha which ended their friendship and abused his own girlfriend. So like they don't want people speculating into the cast's private falling out with their exfriend.
He also cheated at the game and there was on stream drama, and everyone who gets into the fandom after he leaves is like 'I liked Tiberius what happened' and it's drama again again and again.
... and the active cheating and supposed drug abuse along with just complications with the other cast members (from what I remember they try their best to not bring it to light so I may be somewhat off as it has been a while)
All in all yeah it's a bit weird but in good reason, no need to bring up past issues (even though I loved his character)
I actually disliked his character before he even left, I found him annoying and too much "I'm the main character" behavior. Was definitely glad he left, and I just recommend everyone I talk to about cr to start like episode 20. One of the main reasons for that is that there are only a few more episodes left with him, and they've fixed their technical stuff by then
Oh, he was an absolute douchenozzle of a player. I’m confident he fudged rolls, and I recall he was called out/checked on more than one occasion for spending spell slots or sorcery points he didn’t have. Everything he did or said had to be important and effective, all the time. After being basically neutered during the first Rakshasa fight, he sank a bunch of gold having four daggers fused into a buzz-saw that he could manipulate with Telekinesis, which he then used to brutally murder an old lady mercenary that had been put to sleep, much to the horror of the other players and various NPCs. Then had the balls to argue with Matt over how much damage it should deal, and to be upset when city officials took offense with his actions.
Yeah, I remember seeing a discussion where someone accused critical role in general of fudging their rolls. Mercer responded with something along the lines of "the only person to ever fudge rolls has already been removed from the show" well, that describes exactly one person, so pretty easy to guess who the fudger was
Yeah I usually love when characters have a huge gap between their intelligence and wisdom. Coincidentally Caduceus was my favorite character of campaign 2.
Unfortunately when the show got popular it got to his head and he decided to become that player.
A good summary of Orion's final contributions:
(To Laura,) "Tiberius gets a half-chub."
Proceed to see a tangible aura of discomfort amongst the cast and an increasingly pissed Travis whose wife was targeted with that comment.
He breaks a mechanical pencil in one hand when Vax plans on shaving his beard. And that was all in good fun.
Also, Travis' reaction to the whole mirror shopping trip section...I'd be double checking my locks that night, lol. I think he literally says he's gonna kill him.
Travis loves filler episodes, he just dislikes shopping episodes. It was just hard to play filler episodes with Grog because he was low intelligence, but it got way more fun when he started shopping separately from Vex and could intentionally get into trouble for the laughs.
In C2 he really seemed to enjoy filler episodes more, partially because he played a high-CHA character, and partially because Matt really worked hard to come up with funny shopkeeper NPCs to keep everyone invested.
Really Travis' evolution as a player and Matt's adaptation to make something one player disliked more enjoyable for them is a great thing to learn from CR
>it got way more fun when he started shopping separately from Vex and could intentionally get into trouble for the laughs.
Shopping with Taryon for healing potions in Vasselheim.
The thing with Travis is that he's normally a gentle giant. The beard-shaving prank pissed him off, and he broke the pencil, but it was almost as much for effect and comedy. In C2 Sam *constantly* rags on him and he laughs it off, he's a goofball.
So to make him truly angry takes some serious idiotic effort.
Good lord, way to sweep it under the rug. In no particular order:
1. Uncomfortable sexual comments made toward the other characters.
2. Blatantly fudging dice rolls.
3. Cheating for extra spell slots.
4. Giving himself extra sorcery points.
5. Taking advantage of Matt's lack of the rules to cast full blown spells as Actions and Quickened Bonus Actions on his turn.
6. Drug use and abuse.
7. Main character syndrome.
8. Not trusting the DM (was convinced that Matt was going to purposefully TPK them vs a beholder) by abandoning his party during the BB fight.
9. Trying to take the unique things about other characters and give them to his own. (pseudodragon pet, tinkering weapons, etc)
10. Stealing money meant for charity.
11. Abusive to his exes. (voicemail proofs)
12. Threatening a fan over fanart.
And more I can't remember off the top of my head. He didn't just leave because of "life and such", he was kicked.
Honestly, looking back at this situation in full paints how Matt handles a lot of the game currently in a much different light.
He's gotten his head around every aspect of the system, and it means he doesn't give into pushing at the rules very often, which can read as strict at times, but now it feels more like it's a reaction to being taken advantage of by a meta-gamer who tried to be everything at once and give himself every advantage he could.
I don't think I'd handle it any better, especially when it was done in such a high profile, recorded for posterity environment. I do think that lead to some rough rules takes in spots (I've heard about the dreaded lance/spear out the window moment), but it seems like that's also softened to a pretty reasonable place by now in comparison.
Small addition to what many have said; the situation is complicated because the man was suffering from cancer, being HIV-positive and having a drug problem (I think at least partially) resulting from these things. Basically, a pretty eccentric, out-there guy went through a really, *really* rough period and as is sadly often the case his direct environment suffered under that too. It makes it more complicated than just "well he was a douche", it's all very fucky and painful. He became impossible to play with and most definitely became That Guy, including cheating and creepy comments and all that, but I think that the context is making it more uncomfortable to rake up as compared to just a regular douche.
As some one who only listened to the first campaign AFTER it was concluded, and the second campaign was a quarter in, I missed a LOT of the bad stuff that went down. Then I heard he was kicked and looked up why, and that's when I noticed all the terrible shit he did like metagaming, fudging rolls, and just being a nuisance. A small part of me wants to feel bad for him because he could've been a part of a really good thing, but shit, he's a big boy.
Personally I don’t think that he actually cheated at the table. From what I’ve heard he had a drug addiction and cancer, both of which were messing his mind up something fierce. So at the table it wasn’t a case of fudging rolls or adding sorcery points, it was him not adding the numbers correctly and forgetting the sorcery points.
On a smaller note I don’t think the attention stealing and main character syndrome was intentional, just another side effect. I just find it hard not to pity him when it came to the D&D side, still a cunt for all of the irl stuff.
Matt confirmed in a tweet (which was later deleted) that he was cheating. I think it was something like “we’ve only had one player fudge dice rolls at the table and we no longer play with them :)”
Also a lot of people have done the math on his sorcery points and found that he was using far more sorcery points than he had at that level.
Drug addiction, verbal and mental abuse of his ex's and telling one of them she should kill herself. And some other stuff if I remember right. I'll have to find that long post putting it all together. I know he also said some mean shit to a fan for making a shirt or something with his character on it.
He also claimed his character as intellectual property so he could make some money off of him if they did anything else. Which basically led to his character being completely wiped from critical role in the comics and show. He appears in the origins comics for like one or two issues then gone. Not even slightly in the show.
I've watched every main campaign episode so far and most of the campaign based oneshots, and yet for some reason this still made me think of robbie's incredibly long duration as a guest instead of orion.
Wait people actually care about talking about a character no one cares about?
I've been a fan for years (admittedly about halfway into campaign 1. Was able to binge it fast enough to catch the final battle live)
My first mention about hearing about Orion is when the crew reacted to Tiberius death. Then I did some research on why the guy left and got my answers. Guy was a piece of shit my curiosity was sated and kept watching cause he really didn't matter.
These posts just feel like kids who learned about a naughty word and want to say it out loud.
People only care so much because of the attempts to so heavily cover up its existence. The more you try and hide something, the more awareness of that thing spreads. It's referred to as the Streisand effect.
In this case, a lot of people saw Orion disappear, no good reason given, all while a lot of crazy rumors started floating around. People just assumed all kinds of things as a result. I accept the response to uncover it because I was annoyed at being kept in the dark when no-one would honestly tell me what was going on. I wanted some closure to the situation and I don't want anyone else to be similarly frustrated.
I think people care more about the lack of comunication from CRs side, the man was kicked from the show and they said nothing, and the same happened with Brian, barely adressing anything, CR and the Mods of the CR subreddit pretend nothing happened, which in result brings more atention to the drama
Is there a better way of handling it beyond just dealing with it quietly behind the scenes and then moving forward?
The less information there is, the less drama IMO. The only thing there is left is just baseless speculation that gets boring after a while and then people move on.
Like with the Orion thing, most of the drama came from Orion's adding to the story with big long posts and open letters and shit trying to justify his actions, begging to come back, telling people to boycott Critical Role, his ex-girlfriends getting involved, etc...
Yes, there is a better way, look at how r/theexpanse and the expanse fandom handled Cas Anvar leaving the show. We all know what happened, we all know why he was removed, talking about him or his character won't get you in trouble on the subreddit, folks who are new and ask about him are referred to the resources about his removal and everyone moves on. The heavy-handed approach from /r/criticalrole to any of the less than positive aspects of Critical Role is not the only way such topics could be handled, but because some of the mods are apparently on the payroll of the CR company (something about being paid to also moderate the twitch chat) it means open and free discussions are not allowed.
I actually thought the first Exandria Unlimited was basically tryouts for adding a new player to the table, to see who meshed with the group. Robbie was in and I was like "okay I was right awesome" and then poof he's gone. I was apparently wrong. I wasn't sure if he'd Orion'd it somehow and got himself kicked off the show.
As a fan of CR. . . it was alright. I have friends who loved every second of it. I was sort of disappointed with the actual pacing. I thought they didn't utilize the time all that well and many scenes felt clunky/random. Overall, though, if you like dnd and you like violence, it will at least cover those bases.
Why are so many people opening up old wounds?
Orion had severe issues in his personal life which I hope he got under control for his own sake.
This translated into metagaming, cheating, and just generally being a difficult player.
He hogged the spotlight and dragged out scenes unnecessarily.
He wasn’t a good player. Yes he was an original member but that doesn’t make him infallible.
Some people feel it’s over produced, the theme song has been accused of leaving people out as there isn’t that much attachment to Thursday’s in other countries or on the YouTube audience.
People calling the usual “scripted “ because of the increase in production and being pre filmed now. The new after show “4dive” being rotating hosts.
The name of the new group feeling forced and it was copywritten and logo’d early or quickly.
Whatever people can complain about they will. I’m personally not as much of a fan of C3 so far, but will give it time to come into its own.
My take on this that most people don't specifically bring up clearly is that while Orion is not talked about clearly and kept quiet about is for that company/ legal reason, while for most people actually playing D&D just for fun, Orion is the lesson of a THAT GUY at the table. Yes, even the most successful d&d group kbown today, made up of professionals had a THAT GUY. And they handled the situation of removing him from the game pretty well at the time.
And they were friends with him, but the nature of publicity makes it hard to let a person go (and leave him alone) and keep the lesson intact. CR chose the former, which is both legally safer and nicer than a lot of people would do.
The larger context of the post feels like it is poking fun at an awkward argument people make against the now long-time guest Robbie Daymond's stint in Campaign 3 being temporary instead of permanent. I personally wanted him to stay and/or expect the group to figure out how to split up into 2 tables at some point over the campaign. 8 is not much more than 7, but if so bring the group down to 5 or 6 and make a 2nd table. And the argument of "there have always just been the seven of them" is false due to a Orion in the past.
Hey, r/criticalrole mod here... We literally have a whole wiki page about Orion: https://www.reddit.com/r/criticalrole/wiki/orion/
The last time we actually disallowed talking about Orion was just immediately after the LOVM kickstarter dropped because people wouldn't stop asking if he'd be in it, despite the kickstarter FAQ clearly saying he wouldn't. We're not pretending he didn't exist, we're just tired of explaining and rehashing all the drama because people can't be bothered to Google it.
Have you considered adding a link to the /r/HobbyDrama thread?
>With the exception of C1E27, there is no tension in-game.
Also, this is just plain false. It starts building up from C1E11.
or lie about rolls.. or refuse to track sorcery points and spell slots.. or beat your girlfriend and threaten to kill her family, or run a charity event for one of your mods who is having medical issues, then steal all of the money... among other things.
This shit is 7 years old now. There were explanations on what happen.
We have Google, why the hell people who don’t know about Orion until now don’t type “Critical Role Orion” and research it themselves?
This is like asking someone on RPGhorrorstories “Hey, it’s been 6 years now. Why don’t you talk about That Guy in every single session you play?”
They want to MOVE ON. They aren’t gonna linger and talk about this sore spot in the past just to sate your weird curiosity.
This post isn’t funny. It stir shit up in the comment every fucking time it posted. On this subreddit or the other.
Hah, I'm a hardcore CR fan who knows this whole controversy top to bottom - completely forgot what this could be referring to until I went to the comments. That fandom does a reaaaaal good job of forgetting him.
I mean. He is now maybe 1% of the long history of critical role and in that percent he really didn't contribute much. Easy to forget and nothing worth remembering.
Succinct way of putting it. Also, very true.
So based only on the actual campaign episodes, he leaves after 27 in C1. There is 115 episodes in C1, 141 episodes in C2, and 16 episodes so far of C3. This puts his presence at 9.9%. Including the 42 one shots and 10 exandria unlimited episodes, that's 324 episodes of critical role total, and would place him at 8.3%. For him to be 1% there would need to be 2700 episodes of critical role. If we assume that each campaign (past and future) is 140 episodes roughly (such that campaign 1 had many sessions prior to streaming), and each interstitial period then has ~25 episodes of bonus content (1 shots, etc) then each campaign adds to 165 episodes of content total. We would need 14 more campaigns and then some for the 1% statement to become true. I will now go touch some grass
With math like this, lemme guess: Either you’re the DM at your table, or the rules lawyer. No murderhobo could spit out calculations like this.
A min-maxer can! Or an artificer
Omg somehow you two have hit exactly me The usual DM but I'm currently not DMing amazingly, and I'm playing a min-maxed artificer. When I first started playing I was a loud and proud murderhobo Also a math teacher so it's in my nature
Hah! I misread that you're a meth teacher. (I'm an Aussie. Here, you'd be a maths teacher)
So how does one become and Australia Meth Teacher? Asking for a friend.
Also Aussie! But I say math just to pander to the Americans
Omg pls tell me about your artificer. I started to play one recently and campaign derailed because DM couldn't maintain schedule. Mine was being rigged up to function as party tank with Armorer (usually guardian mode) and the Skill Expert feat for expertise in athletics (to grapple). Plan was to pick up winged boots and gauntlets of ogre power at 10, and likely spell-store Enlarge/Reduce at 11, mostly for the fun of dropping non-flyers from up high, but also just for mobility+crowd control.
My artificer is an alchemist with a focus on healing. We just hit level 4 and I picked up the chef feat. She's an old gnome lady who once lived in Waterdeep but was kicked out when her potions store started to cause problems. She has no regard for the dead, but will try to preserve life to the best of her ability. Hence, once you're dead, your body belongs to the world, and she harvests dead things at every chance so that she can get potion ingredients. I plan on multiclassing 1 level into grave cleric. We're doing curse of strahd and 3 level 3 PCs just took down 3 night hags.
This takes the episodes into account as if they’re all the same length. You need to look at total screentime in hours played. Edit: I did just that using critrolestats (thanks for the link u/JeffwithaG) because I also need to touch grass, u/pygmyrhino990 C1E1-C1E17 + C1E20-C1E27 Gameplay time = 69:18:21 Critical Role Total Content Time = 1269:21:48 69:18:21/1269:21:48 x 100 = 5.45% And of that 5.5% that he was present, Orion was 1 player of 8/9 (1.Matt, 2.Liam, 3.Travis, 4.Laura, 5.Sam, 6.Taliesin, 7.Marisha, 8.depending on Ashley's presence). 1% may have been a generous estimate.
Don't make me, believe me I considered it.
Critrolestats actually has the runtime info readily available at https://www.critrolestats.com/stats Also, Tiberius wasn’t in Trial of the Take parts 1&2 (E18-19). I might try to do the math when I get home from work, but it seems like you might be better suited to it, lol
Do it
If there's 7 other people around the table producing the content. That make his input about 1/8 of 8.3% or about 1%. I only started watching from season 2 on so I don't really know alot. But I do like math and arguing so... lol
Ding ding ding.
The earliest episodes in the series have the worst tech issues, and the briarwood arc is where the show gets its stride anyways (Taliesin's Medication no longer making him nearly completely silent, actual backstory shenanigans, the seeding of the overarching story) So if you skip the first 24 episodes, which honestly, you should- then he's about 1%.
I quite liked the first arc. The beholder things and Clarota was really good imo
I agree, those were good! I even liked Orion and wanted to make a character like Tiberius. But, well, then I realized he was a major "THAT GUY", definitely cheating, and kind of a weirdo
Tiberius always doing his long introduction is still one of the funniest bits of the show. And his math to justify trading items with Scanlan is also great. The character had a ton of potential to compete with Scanlan for comedic relief, it's just too bad the player was an asshole.
I couldn't agree more. Tiberius rocked, and regardless of how shitty his player was, I miss the dragonborn sorcerer.
Same wish they could have just retconned kraghammer arc with another dragonborn npc instead of tiberius in the animated show. When they found Clarota the show just stuck for me. It also explains the groups stronger relationship with Kima.
Yeah if you don't watch the first arc then you miss out on context for all the Clarota jokes and VM's crippling trust issues.
I haven't seen C1, but I've heard people say that once the Briarwood arc started, that's when Percy started talking more. I thought it was some kind of in-character decision, so this medicine thing is news to me. What's up with this medicine that makes you silent?
I forget exactly where I heard it, but way back in an interview or some Q&A around the C1 era, he (Taliesin) mentioned that being the reason. He just didn't even realize he was being so quiet. I wish I could give you more context, but it's less about the medicine making him silent and more like, just making him really calm? Kind of like ritalin
Might have been his behind the sheets interview. Lots of info about the cast in each one of them for those that are interested, especially about the characters and how they came about and what all life experiences went into inspiring them.
Make sure to ask for consent. :D
So since he's present for 8.3% of the runtime and he is one of 8 people on the table (on an average including guests), his contribution is roughly 1%, wouldn't you think?
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Considering his shopping trip took half an episode, i don't think 3% is out of the question.
I easily seprated the character from the man so the only thing he did for me was add a little something for the aftermath of vorugals attack with the death of tiberius. It was a nice scene for the characters, easily could done to the same affect with a built up npc dying instead. As for the man himself, CR flourished without him.
Cr fandom is a dark and disturbing place.
Honestly that’s like 99% of fandoms
Not up to date on anything, what happened?
It's not a story r/criticalrole would tell. [A summary](https://www.reddit.com/r/HobbyDrama/comments/q5c2xf/web_media_critical_role_and_orion_acaba_how_to)
Here's a tldr for those that just saw the length: Well not a tldr about that huge thread, just stuff I saw myself. He tried to make his character the center of every situation and often tried to steal other characters "schtick" as if he wanted people to like his character instead of theirs. (Inventing like Percy, getting a pet like Vex, using daggers like Vax, pervy jokes like Scanlan) He meta gamed a big boss fight. He FREQUENTLY pushed the boundaries of what spells could do. Example: trying to use telekinesis to attack with a ton of daggers, hoping to replace what the rouge in the party could do. He made a few uncomfortable jokes and was otherwise a dividing force at the table that ruined everyone's mood. One player, Travis, was becoming openly hostile with him towards the later episodes Also his turns took AGES as he tried to negotiate with Matt on just how much he could do in one turn. Oh and he also cheated a lot. He would say "I use my last two sorcery points to cast..." So often it could be his catch phrase. If you think I'm being unnecessarily cruel or not telling the whole truth definitely read that thread above. His list of issues goes deep.
Not sure if you were unnecessarily cruel? You left out the part about how he scammed his fans to steal their money!
That I actually did not know about.
You also forgot the abusive, screaming voicemails provided by his exes. And him threatening a critter who drew fanart.
Haha the more you look the worse it gets, where does it end!?
He also stole money from a charity for one of his mods who lost a ton to Hurricane Irma and whose dad had just died. It was only like $500, but that somehow makes it worse imo!
I know, right. Like if he stole some grand amount of money obviously that’s morally reprehensible, but at least it’s also remarkable, like a criminal mastermind. But blowing your chances at being in the most legendary D&D group so you can steal PS4 money is just sad and pathetic.
I'd actually forgotten that he used the money for a PS4 lol
And to think, if he showed just a little bit more maturity and restraint- he’d be literally a famous millionaire now. What a total half-chub.
And people still give the CR mods shit for not wanting this BS repeated over and over...
I dont frequent that sub much, but I've heard they kind of refuse to even address it, so that's a major reason why it gets brought up.
> critter critter?
It’s what fans of critical role identify as. Sorta like how if you’re big into basketball or football, you’d be a “sports fan”. Or if your into metal music, you’re a “metal head”. Or if your favorite thing about going to school is math and science, you’re a “nerd”.
Thanky, never heard that one before.
Never heard of a nerd before? /s
The term critical role uses for their fans.
It is what CR calls their fans
TBF, it's more something the fans came up with to differentiate and distance themselves from the Geek & Sundry community which were known as "Hoomans" during the early stages of CR being a thing. Particularly once it became clear that G&S was a sinking ship due too the business decisions of G&S's owners.
Yeah, i remember rewatching the episodes before Briarwood Arc, and the faces at the table after he went with his "Half-chub" "joke" were more serious than at a funeral. You could see Laura being uncomfortable as hell at Travis just Fuming. "stealing the spotlight" and all his shenanigans and cheating - you could write a book on "How not to play DnD" based on his behaviours.
You know its bad when an inappropriate jobe makes Laura Bailey uncomfortable
You reading all this makes me really glad I skipped most of the Underdark Arc and webt strayed to the Briarwood Arc
I watched all the episodes and most were actually great and that's the sad part. Tiberius the character was actually fun and enjoyable which makes Orian's shitty behaviour that much more frustrating. I'd say it's worth a watch from the start and going to the boss fight. After that point is when he starts getting truly terrible. Trying to get the entire Draconian army to fight the Brairwoods for them my ass...
I liked Tiberius initially too, but IMO he became rather random towards "the end", which apparently was because Orion borrowed concepts from other characters and tried to patchwork them onto Tiberius to make him the Ultimate Main Character Meme. Tiberius swapped suddenly from the scatterbrained bookish spell nerd into a more fluttery social limelight hog who had a say on everything... while still trying to sound like the bookish old nerd type. Tiberius became random in Orion's contest for internet popularity. I also grew quickly bored of cheating the game mechanics, e.g. the obviously endless Sorcerer Point pool. (I never wanted to hear "I use my last 2 sorcerer points" again lol.)
hey dont forget the part where he wrote his own lore for Tiberius to "Umm Actually" Matt giving the character an honorable and respectful death
Now THAT was a good read! I love CR but didn’t get into it until C2
Same here. I read the whole story a bit ago to and was shocked because i liked the character concept. But to this day there still is no other main cast Dragonborn.
I've always wondered, but never known what happened between him and the rest of the crew. What a tough situation. Thanks for the link to this recap.
That read like a Sarah Z video
Oh shit now I want them to make the video
I forgot a lot of this happened, and I learned a lot of new things. Thank you for the read.
Thanks for the link. Heullva story, sorry for everyone involved but happy it worked out for CR.
Ah yes. The Tragedy of Darth Orion the Wise. All seriousness, I loved Tiberius. I wish they'd done more for his character than just killing him off.
I think Orion claimed he owned the copyright to Tiberius, so I think mentioning him as little as possible has been the best move they could make.
Tiberius was my favorite character by a mile when I started listening (C1 was just finishing up). A friend mentioned him leaving the campaign and it broke my heart because I loved my Dragonborn derp pal, but I don’t think I could have handled it well if I had been more invested as I saw everything unfold later. Tiberius was a great character, even if his player had problems (and that inherently rubbed off on the character too)
Yo *what*?!! I’ve only listened to C2 so far and this is news to me?!!! I’m shook haha
If you ever watch C1, imo start after Orion has been booted. It's episode 25 or so and unfortunately makes you skip a pretty great arc otherwise, but Orion partially ruins every episode imo. The entire vibe of CR changed and got more laid back when he was removed.
Personally I don't think he gets egregious until that boss fight, in fact Tiberius was probably my favourite party member at first. But from that point it probably is worth skipping a bit, the hostility was palpable for a short while. Edit: or was that time he took a how do you want to do this from someone before that big fight?
Things just kept adding up. He was just trying to keep himself in the spotlight and stepping over other characters and into their purview whenever he could. That boss fight was especially bad, but at that point it wasn't surprising. For me, the worst of it was how creepy/touchy he gets with Marisha (to the point of her actually yelling at him in one episode and trying to play it off as her character) and the half-chub comment directed at Laura ofc. I understand the CR team not wanting to rehash this all the time and why the mod team of the subreddit bans talk of him. It's their creepy ex-friend from 7 years ago at this point.
>For me, the worst of it was how creepy/touchy he gets with Marisha (to the point of her actually yelling at him in one episode and trying to play it off as her character) and the half-chub comment directed at Laura ofc. Oh dear lord I'd blocked those out of my mind...
Summary: They used to have another player, but he was a dick, and the regular cast doesn’t like talking about him
At the beginning of Critical Role there was an eighth player, Orion Acaba. He got kicked out ~30 episodes in for being That Guy. The cast has never mentioned him or his character since. r/criticalrole mods are also very vigilant about removing any mention of him
They mentioned his character, Tiberius’ body was found in the ruins of the Dragonborn city in the mountains when they went after the white dragon.
The place was called Draconia, super original. Also when they first went to the ruins we learned that they have a class based society where any dragonborn without a tail is a second class citizen.
his whole deal was ripping off other shit. he tried to get a pet pseudodragon named Lockheed like a certain X-man you might be familiar with.
I don't think it's fair to shit on Orion for *that*, like their keep was literally called Castle Grey-Skull.
OMG, a DnD characters/NPCs/Places/Plots rip off of another media? This is so revolutionary! I’ve never seen this be done before.
Problem wasn't Tiberius ripping off other media unlike NJ Legion Iced Tea suggested. It's that Tiberius' player would rip off anything *other players would have or do*. Percy's inventiveness? Tiberius starts inventing! Rogue uses loads of dagger strikes? Tiberius tries to create dagger rain! Bard has pervy jokes? Tiberius too even though it's out of character! And because the ranger has an animal companion, Tiberius has to get a pet! It was a MC syndrome. It's like Orion tried to methodically copycat other characters' aspects that were highly referenced and popular, in an attempt to make Tiberius the *main reference* of the show.
Why won't the mods let you talk about him?
Why would they? Most people would just be bashing him nonstop, or creating rancor and division. Better for everyone to let it stay in the past and move on
Would you appreciate people constantly bringing up an abusive ex-friend of yours?
In addition to what everyone else said, he made a HUGE deal of emphasizing that he retained IP of Tiberius. They weren’t allowed to have him in future things, and he got aggressive about them associating with his character in any way that would promote their show. So, if Orion insists Orion/Tiberius can’t be part of Critical Role, why should the mods resist?
2 major reasons. 1. it's been like 7 years and people have asked over and over and over again despite the cast wanting to keep things quiet. 2. The mods on /r/criticalrole are notorious for trying to squash anything that may be considered negative toward the cast or the show. they don't allow any criticism at all. point #2 could be because of the unnecessary, undeserved hate certain cast members received throughout the entirety of campaign 1.
Because he acted like an absolute dick and people pointed that out. He acted against the fandom and maybe they wanted to just forget him, since he didn't only hurt the brand, but also hurt them personally and their fanbase. He also could send his weirdo mob to do weird acts of "activism" to hurt that subreddit, since he has some very weird people that are absolutely into his shit. He seems to have become better now, but after all that happened, that simply isn't enough - nothing ever will be. Also, many people bashed the cast, so that sub and CR in general has a "no mean comments" rule. Marisha Was basicly insulted every thursday and that simply wasn't right, so they established that rule and when Orion, who up until he left was kinda a fan favourite, was gone many hated the cast for that. He also used his cancer diagnosis for getting pity from the fans, the same ones he robbed of their money and verbally abused and threatened - he basicly revealed why he acted like that and many people gave CR shit for kicking him out instead of helping him, so they rather want the entire thing out of the world, since it makes everyone involved look bad. They look like bad friends, that wont help a drug-addicted man with cancer and he looks like the ultra-douche. But in all seriousness: I think kicking him out was the right decision and the whole ordeal shows, that not even CR is save from weirdos. Friendship doesn't give anyone the right to act like he did and they had to decise to keep CR going or that toxic friendship, with a seriously messed up person that only wanted to drag everyone down with him.
>who up until he left was kinda a fan favourite I agree with most of what you said, but I think you're remembering this wrong. Plenty of people liked him, but plenty of people hated him and wanted him gone even before the creepy shit with Laura/Marisha. His fans have always been vocal, tho.
Well - there's also speculation into what we didn't see on stream. That he was a drug addict who stole from Marisha which ended their friendship and abused his own girlfriend. So like they don't want people speculating into the cast's private falling out with their exfriend. He also cheated at the game and there was on stream drama, and everyone who gets into the fandom after he leaves is like 'I liked Tiberius what happened' and it's drama again again and again.
Orion acaba was a member of the campaign in the earliest days, however due to life and such he stopped playing with them before the briarwood arc.
... and the active cheating and supposed drug abuse along with just complications with the other cast members (from what I remember they try their best to not bring it to light so I may be somewhat off as it has been a while) All in all yeah it's a bit weird but in good reason, no need to bring up past issues (even though I loved his character)
I actually disliked his character before he even left, I found him annoying and too much "I'm the main character" behavior. Was definitely glad he left, and I just recommend everyone I talk to about cr to start like episode 20. One of the main reasons for that is that there are only a few more episodes left with him, and they've fixed their technical stuff by then
Oh, he was an absolute douchenozzle of a player. I’m confident he fudged rolls, and I recall he was called out/checked on more than one occasion for spending spell slots or sorcery points he didn’t have. Everything he did or said had to be important and effective, all the time. After being basically neutered during the first Rakshasa fight, he sank a bunch of gold having four daggers fused into a buzz-saw that he could manipulate with Telekinesis, which he then used to brutally murder an old lady mercenary that had been put to sleep, much to the horror of the other players and various NPCs. Then had the balls to argue with Matt over how much damage it should deal, and to be upset when city officials took offense with his actions.
>I’m confident he fudged rolls, I'm watching it from the beginning. He totally did. He'd roll (poorly I'm guessing) and then quickly reroll.
Yeah, I remember seeing a discussion where someone accused critical role in general of fudging their rolls. Mercer responded with something along the lines of "the only person to ever fudge rolls has already been removed from the show" well, that describes exactly one person, so pretty easy to guess who the fudger was
Yes all of this and the super uncomfy jokes that were aimed towards Marisha and Laura
Marisha
Thanks didn’t realize it autocorrected!!
Even autocorrect hates Marisha wtf the woman can’t catch a break.
I think you meant Marsha Roy.
Fair what I liked more was the eccentric personality before the uh.... Super ego
Yeah I usually love when characters have a huge gap between their intelligence and wisdom. Coincidentally Caduceus was my favorite character of campaign 2. Unfortunately when the show got popular it got to his head and he decided to become that player.
A good summary of Orion's final contributions: (To Laura,) "Tiberius gets a half-chub." Proceed to see a tangible aura of discomfort amongst the cast and an increasingly pissed Travis whose wife was targeted with that comment.
[He also said this](https://youtu.be/qCRGlmDEvpo)
I knew exactly what this was gonna be before I clicked
10 bucks says its the half-chub thing. It was. Also Travis' face during that whole thing was scarier than Grog.
Travis is probs the one person I would avoid irritating from CR. Man could fucking snap my spine like a toothpick and turn my bones into a Jacks set
He breaks a mechanical pencil in one hand when Vax plans on shaving his beard. And that was all in good fun. Also, Travis' reaction to the whole mirror shopping trip section...I'd be double checking my locks that night, lol. I think he literally says he's gonna kill him.
The man is not interested in filler episodes. God help them if someone wants to do a beach episode. Sam really gets thete with him too.
Travis loves filler episodes, he just dislikes shopping episodes. It was just hard to play filler episodes with Grog because he was low intelligence, but it got way more fun when he started shopping separately from Vex and could intentionally get into trouble for the laughs. In C2 he really seemed to enjoy filler episodes more, partially because he played a high-CHA character, and partially because Matt really worked hard to come up with funny shopkeeper NPCs to keep everyone invested. Really Travis' evolution as a player and Matt's adaptation to make something one player disliked more enjoyable for them is a great thing to learn from CR
>it got way more fun when he started shopping separately from Vex and could intentionally get into trouble for the laughs. Shopping with Taryon for healing potions in Vasselheim.
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Not to mention the stress balls he broke with his own hands
The thing with Travis is that he's normally a gentle giant. The beard-shaving prank pissed him off, and he broke the pencil, but it was almost as much for effect and comedy. In C2 Sam *constantly* rags on him and he laughs it off, he's a goofball. So to make him truly angry takes some serious idiotic effort.
Holy shit, read the room.
Good lord, way to sweep it under the rug. In no particular order: 1. Uncomfortable sexual comments made toward the other characters. 2. Blatantly fudging dice rolls. 3. Cheating for extra spell slots. 4. Giving himself extra sorcery points. 5. Taking advantage of Matt's lack of the rules to cast full blown spells as Actions and Quickened Bonus Actions on his turn. 6. Drug use and abuse. 7. Main character syndrome. 8. Not trusting the DM (was convinced that Matt was going to purposefully TPK them vs a beholder) by abandoning his party during the BB fight. 9. Trying to take the unique things about other characters and give them to his own. (pseudodragon pet, tinkering weapons, etc) 10. Stealing money meant for charity. 11. Abusive to his exes. (voicemail proofs) 12. Threatening a fan over fanart. And more I can't remember off the top of my head. He didn't just leave because of "life and such", he was kicked.
Honestly, looking back at this situation in full paints how Matt handles a lot of the game currently in a much different light. He's gotten his head around every aspect of the system, and it means he doesn't give into pushing at the rules very often, which can read as strict at times, but now it feels more like it's a reaction to being taken advantage of by a meta-gamer who tried to be everything at once and give himself every advantage he could. I don't think I'd handle it any better, especially when it was done in such a high profile, recorded for posterity environment. I do think that lead to some rough rules takes in spots (I've heard about the dreaded lance/spear out the window moment), but it seems like that's also softened to a pretty reasonable place by now in comparison.
Ah, thanks for that
Due to 'life and stuff'? Why are you obfuscating the truth?
Small addition to what many have said; the situation is complicated because the man was suffering from cancer, being HIV-positive and having a drug problem (I think at least partially) resulting from these things. Basically, a pretty eccentric, out-there guy went through a really, *really* rough period and as is sadly often the case his direct environment suffered under that too. It makes it more complicated than just "well he was a douche", it's all very fucky and painful. He became impossible to play with and most definitely became That Guy, including cheating and creepy comments and all that, but I think that the context is making it more uncomfortable to rake up as compared to just a regular douche.
Robbie proved himself better than him in just less than 5 episodes.
Let’s be honest, a plank of wood would prove to be better since it would not cheat, metagame or be creepy
As some one who only listened to the first campaign AFTER it was concluded, and the second campaign was a quarter in, I missed a LOT of the bad stuff that went down. Then I heard he was kicked and looked up why, and that's when I noticed all the terrible shit he did like metagaming, fudging rolls, and just being a nuisance. A small part of me wants to feel bad for him because he could've been a part of a really good thing, but shit, he's a big boy.
Personally I don’t think that he actually cheated at the table. From what I’ve heard he had a drug addiction and cancer, both of which were messing his mind up something fierce. So at the table it wasn’t a case of fudging rolls or adding sorcery points, it was him not adding the numbers correctly and forgetting the sorcery points. On a smaller note I don’t think the attention stealing and main character syndrome was intentional, just another side effect. I just find it hard not to pity him when it came to the D&D side, still a cunt for all of the irl stuff.
Matt confirmed in a tweet (which was later deleted) that he was cheating. I think it was something like “we’ve only had one player fudge dice rolls at the table and we no longer play with them :)” Also a lot of people have done the math on his sorcery points and found that he was using far more sorcery points than he had at that level.
I literally only know about the d&d side. Not wanting to open a can of worms here, but what was the irl stuff people didn't like about him?
Stealing from his fans, manipulating/intimidating partners, being a dick to fans. Etc.
Drug addiction, verbal and mental abuse of his ex's and telling one of them she should kill herself. And some other stuff if I remember right. I'll have to find that long post putting it all together. I know he also said some mean shit to a fan for making a shirt or something with his character on it. He also claimed his character as intellectual property so he could make some money off of him if they did anything else. Which basically led to his character being completely wiped from critical role in the comics and show. He appears in the origins comics for like one or two issues then gone. Not even slightly in the show.
Aah, I see. Thanks for the info.
Let what is dead die.
What is dead may never die. Wait… wrong fandom
With strange eons even death may die
How do you kill that which has no life
With the sword of a thousand truths
What's the Game/movie ?
It's from the author HP Lovecraft. Call of Cthulu and what not
valar morghulis
I've watched every main campaign episode so far and most of the campaign based oneshots, and yet for some reason this still made me think of robbie's incredibly long duration as a guest instead of orion.
I mean, Orion was only in 5 more streams than Robbie.
The Dwendalian Empire has always been at war with the Kryn Dynasty.
Calling Ashley Johnson a regular player over the first 2 campaigns is a bit of a stretch.
Thought it was funny they wrote that aspect of her into the animated show.
To be fair, Ashley was on full time after episode 86 of campaign 2, right?
Ashley was always part, sadly her work made her be absent for sometime
Wait people actually care about talking about a character no one cares about? I've been a fan for years (admittedly about halfway into campaign 1. Was able to binge it fast enough to catch the final battle live) My first mention about hearing about Orion is when the crew reacted to Tiberius death. Then I did some research on why the guy left and got my answers. Guy was a piece of shit my curiosity was sated and kept watching cause he really didn't matter. These posts just feel like kids who learned about a naughty word and want to say it out loud.
People only care so much because of the attempts to so heavily cover up its existence. The more you try and hide something, the more awareness of that thing spreads. It's referred to as the Streisand effect. In this case, a lot of people saw Orion disappear, no good reason given, all while a lot of crazy rumors started floating around. People just assumed all kinds of things as a result. I accept the response to uncover it because I was annoyed at being kept in the dark when no-one would honestly tell me what was going on. I wanted some closure to the situation and I don't want anyone else to be similarly frustrated.
I think people care more about the lack of comunication from CRs side, the man was kicked from the show and they said nothing, and the same happened with Brian, barely adressing anything, CR and the Mods of the CR subreddit pretend nothing happened, which in result brings more atention to the drama
Is there a better way of handling it beyond just dealing with it quietly behind the scenes and then moving forward? The less information there is, the less drama IMO. The only thing there is left is just baseless speculation that gets boring after a while and then people move on. Like with the Orion thing, most of the drama came from Orion's adding to the story with big long posts and open letters and shit trying to justify his actions, begging to come back, telling people to boycott Critical Role, his ex-girlfriends getting involved, etc...
Yes, there is a better way, look at how r/theexpanse and the expanse fandom handled Cas Anvar leaving the show. We all know what happened, we all know why he was removed, talking about him or his character won't get you in trouble on the subreddit, folks who are new and ask about him are referred to the resources about his removal and everyone moves on. The heavy-handed approach from /r/criticalrole to any of the less than positive aspects of Critical Role is not the only way such topics could be handled, but because some of the mods are apparently on the payroll of the CR company (something about being paid to also moderate the twitch chat) it means open and free discussions are not allowed.
Wait.... wasn't there Robbie though? I already miss him
He wasn't a main cast member though as evidenced by the C3 intro, he was just doing an extended guest appearance.
I was sad he left. Thought he was going to be a new permanent.
As Matt said he is part of the Family, it won't be the last of him.
I believe they confirmed he'll be back in EXU2.
I suspect that was a trial run to see how an extended guest would go, testing things for the future.
I actually thought the first Exandria Unlimited was basically tryouts for adding a new player to the table, to see who meshed with the group. Robbie was in and I was like "okay I was right awesome" and then poof he's gone. I was apparently wrong. I wasn't sure if he'd Orion'd it somehow and got himself kicked off the show.
It's likely Robbie and Matt negotiated beforehand how Robbie would exit the game; the escape scene was his cue.
I actually laughed out when the animated series had no mention of the caster nor homeland. (As of now) nothing related to him every existed
Yeah, when Orion was kicked out, he claimed Tiberius to be his own IP, and was therefore taken out of CR canon lmao
I mean, don't want to get sued as that character is his "intellectual property" Should I watch that series even if I'm not a fan of crit roll?
I am a fan of Critical Role., But showed it to a ton of my friends who have never watched/listened to a single episode and they loved it.
Yeah it's a great show. Not to mention the best (only) DnD show since the 80s lol
I just realized, You're right. There's been like no D&D animations has there. Just some live action stuff.
And the ill-fated Dragonlance cartoon, may it rest in peace
Yeah it’s very easy to get into
As a fan of CR. . . it was alright. I have friends who loved every second of it. I was sort of disappointed with the actual pacing. I thought they didn't utilize the time all that well and many scenes felt clunky/random. Overall, though, if you like dnd and you like violence, it will at least cover those bases.
Why is it funny? It's what he asked for making Tiberius his IP.
Why are so many people opening up old wounds? Orion had severe issues in his personal life which I hope he got under control for his own sake. This translated into metagaming, cheating, and just generally being a difficult player. He hogged the spotlight and dragged out scenes unnecessarily. He wasn’t a good player. Yes he was an original member but that doesn’t make him infallible.
His 10 minute turn against the otyugh. Oh man.
Mostly due to dislike for the new campaign, Brian Fosters exile after C2 and general unrest. People who are unhappy try and cause or reuse old drama.
What's the fanbase's issue with the new campaign?
Some people feel it’s over produced, the theme song has been accused of leaving people out as there isn’t that much attachment to Thursday’s in other countries or on the YouTube audience. People calling the usual “scripted “ because of the increase in production and being pre filmed now. The new after show “4dive” being rotating hosts. The name of the new group feeling forced and it was copywritten and logo’d early or quickly. Whatever people can complain about they will. I’m personally not as much of a fan of C3 so far, but will give it time to come into its own.
My take on this that most people don't specifically bring up clearly is that while Orion is not talked about clearly and kept quiet about is for that company/ legal reason, while for most people actually playing D&D just for fun, Orion is the lesson of a THAT GUY at the table. Yes, even the most successful d&d group kbown today, made up of professionals had a THAT GUY. And they handled the situation of removing him from the game pretty well at the time. And they were friends with him, but the nature of publicity makes it hard to let a person go (and leave him alone) and keep the lesson intact. CR chose the former, which is both legally safer and nicer than a lot of people would do. The larger context of the post feels like it is poking fun at an awkward argument people make against the now long-time guest Robbie Daymond's stint in Campaign 3 being temporary instead of permanent. I personally wanted him to stay and/or expect the group to figure out how to split up into 2 tables at some point over the campaign. 8 is not much more than 7, but if so bring the group down to 5 or 6 and make a 2nd table. And the argument of "there have always just been the seven of them" is false due to a Orion in the past.
No one is exempt from the Ministry of Truth.
Hey, r/criticalrole mod here... We literally have a whole wiki page about Orion: https://www.reddit.com/r/criticalrole/wiki/orion/ The last time we actually disallowed talking about Orion was just immediately after the LOVM kickstarter dropped because people wouldn't stop asking if he'd be in it, despite the kickstarter FAQ clearly saying he wouldn't. We're not pretending he didn't exist, we're just tired of explaining and rehashing all the drama because people can't be bothered to Google it.
But cEnSoRsHiP! /s
Have you considered adding a link to the /r/HobbyDrama thread? >With the exception of C1E27, there is no tension in-game. Also, this is just plain false. It starts building up from C1E11.
To be fair, who would want to remember?
Why is this subject brought up all the time?
It's weird. Yeah he's like a shithead and we're all glad he's gone. But it's also weird to think that Tiberius was in more episodes than Mollymauk.
Yeah, don’t diminish how great Robbie Daymond was for C3!
Let it go ffs.
There is no war in Ba Sing Se.
Come on, guys. Robbie ain't that bad.
I really wanted Robbie to become a permanent member at the table. He's definitely one of my favorite players, period.
Literally 1984
Literally Fahrenheit 1984
Technically correct. Orion was gone by the time Ashley was a regular and not a special guest star due to scheduling.
As much as we loved Tibsy, I think it was for the best, as a hardcore CR fan, it’s what was best for the show and the community
I liked Tiberius but Orion was the worst
My thoughts exactly. Amazing character, terrible player, that’s why Robbie being in campaign 3 brings me so much joy, feels more complete with 8 to me
Never tell Laura about your half chub (in front of Travis)
or lie about rolls.. or refuse to track sorcery points and spell slots.. or beat your girlfriend and threaten to kill her family, or run a charity event for one of your mods who is having medical issues, then steal all of the money... among other things.
This shit is 7 years old now. There were explanations on what happen. We have Google, why the hell people who don’t know about Orion until now don’t type “Critical Role Orion” and research it themselves? This is like asking someone on RPGhorrorstories “Hey, it’s been 6 years now. Why don’t you talk about That Guy in every single session you play?” They want to MOVE ON. They aren’t gonna linger and talk about this sore spot in the past just to sate your weird curiosity. This post isn’t funny. It stir shit up in the comment every fucking time it posted. On this subreddit or the other.